PS3 IR REMOTE - A solution for DVD remote play control [Text View] - Page 2

bschellva

07-11-07, 09:13 PM

Just to confirm, there's still no remote wake up on either the Nyko IR remote or any other IR remote out there, right? It's not a huge deal, since I will usually be putting in a disc before I need my PS3, but just curious.

Is it a very bad idea to just leave your PS3 on all the time?

Nope, still no remote wake up. I was very concerned about this before I finally bought the Nyko, but it turns out it hasn't bothered me at all. I put the disc in and just leave the thing on till i get up for bed or whatever. I have considered just leaving the PS3 on all the time. It is designed for that, and uses less electricity than a PC. I think Sony will eventually incorporate some sort of automatic power save mode. The PSP remote play feature just screams for that type of functionality.

Poochie

07-12-07, 12:14 AM

I have just set up my Harmony 880 to use the commands from the Nyko BluWave IR remote. I set it up as follows. Game Console. Game Console(with DVD). Nyko for the manufacturer. Model is Nyko BluWave PS3. I don't know what the process is for Logitech adopting profiles, but I just added it about an hour ago, so maybe it takes a while

Has anyone seen his profile yet? I tried to use the one listed here, as follows, with the Harmony 7.3.0 PC client :
- Added a new device, chose "Game Console", then "Game Console(with DVD)", then when asked for Manufacturer I chose "-not listed-" (Nyko wasn't in the dropdown)
- In the next screen, I typed in "Nyko" in the Manufacturer and "Nyko BluWave PS3" as the model. At this point it asked me if I had the remote, which I did, so it had me sample a few buttons to see if it could find it in the database. That did not work ("We could not find your device or one similar to it in our database")

My conclusion is that Harmony isn't letting the rest of us use his profile (at least not yet). Unless I did something wrong above - anyone know?

I had previously tried learning the commands from my Bluwave, and they worked fine within the BluRay playback, but in the XMB the navigation arrows would cause the selection to jump 5 items to the left etc., so I was hoping to use a known-good profile rather than tweak mine until the XMB behavior is correct.

So... has any Harmony user ever used a different user's BluWave profile, and if so, what did you do? thanks in advance!

jensph

07-12-07, 12:39 PM

Google the UK site for "logic3 remote (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=logic3+remote&btnG=Google+Search&meta=) ". Check out the datakits.co.uk link.I finally received the Logic3 remote yesterday from the English vendor. It took just under two weeks.

Out of the box I was able to get most functions working with my Harmony 880, just using the commands in Harmony's database. I still can't get the directional buttons to work though. I tried twice to learn from the Logic3 remote. The Harmony web interface says it recieved the commands, but when I test the Harmony remote nothing happens.

I'll have to try again tonight.

The challenge is to set it up so its intuitive for the different PS3 activities, since the buttons on the the PS3 controller have a different effect depending on what you are doing (music, web browser, movie, etc.) I'm thinking maybe of having different Harmony remote activities for each...

simon1

07-12-07, 10:57 PM

I finally received the Logic3 remote yesterday from the English vendor. It took just under two weeks.

Out of the box I was able to get most functions working with my Harmony 880, just using the commands in Harmony's database. I still can't get the directional buttons to work though. I tried twice to learn from the Logic3 remote. The Harmony web interface says it recieved the commands, but when I test the Harmony remote nothing happens.

I'll have to try again tonight.

The challenge is to set it up so its intuitive for the different PS3 activities, since the buttons on the the PS3 controller have a different effect depending on what you are doing (music, web browser, movie, etc.) I'm thinking maybe of having different Harmony remote activities for each...

You need to learn these commands in 'RAW' mode.

Ronnie 1.8

07-13-07, 12:32 AM

And that is not a guaranteed solution, only a potential solution.

zoro

07-13-07, 01:17 AM

if i cant use remote as part of my macro on 880, that turn on/off BR, then no good

RajeeK

07-13-07, 01:42 AM

I finally got around to program mine with a URC MX-850. Worked like a charm. I tried the original way with the PS2 remote and the IR Dongle, but it was just to troublesome. The Nyko is great. Just a quick tap on the Nyko remote and the URC got it easily. Holding down the Nyko buttons during programming however created problems.

ClevelandRob

07-13-07, 10:22 AM

jdougjones

07-13-07, 10:57 AM

I fined tuned my Harmony 670 last night by adjusting the speed to 0 from 3 (default) and now it works perfect with Nyko dongle. Now I can put the Nyko remote in the box of misfit remotes!! One press moves one spot now on the XMB whereas before it would zip 3 or 4 spots. I can even hold down the button and it zips across the XMB and up/down through my files!!! I thought the no power would bother me, but I just leave it on sometimes and I've gotta get up to but a Disc in anyways so no biggie. Yippie! Best $15 IR solution!

Is there any reason to "turn off" the PS3? Does it use more power or run hotter when "on". What does "off" really mean? It doesn't actually shutdown when you power it off, does it? Or, does turning it off just cut output to the video and audio outputs?

kal

07-13-07, 11:42 AM

Is there any reason to "turn off" the PS3? Does it use more power or run hotter when "on". What does "off" really mean? It doesn't actually shutdown when you power it off, does it? Or, does turning it off just cut output to the video and audio outputs?
Just like a PC, when the PS3 is off, it's completely off other than just enough power to light up the power light in RED and sense when someone hits the power ON button. When the PS3 is off, is not doing anything other than waiting for a power ON command.

As for power consumption, it's probably something like this:

PS3 on: ~ 200 watts, lots of heat, fan spinning.
PS3 off: ~ 1 watt, completely off, no fan, no heat.

Kal

jensph

07-13-07, 12:33 PM

I finally received the Logic3 remote... I still can't get the directional buttons to work though. I tried twice to learn from the Logic3 remote.You need to learn these commands in 'RAW' mode.I didn't realize there were different ways to 'learn'.

This post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7418567&&#post7418567) implies you need to go through 'troubleshooting' to get to the RAW learning. I'll try after work. Thanks for the help.

Pens1566

07-20-07, 11:32 PM

Just got the Blu-wave yesterday. Is there already an entry in the harmony db for this, or do I still need to learn the commands?

Ronnie 1.8

07-21-07, 04:36 PM

I first learned all buttons on the Nyko original remote. I then mapped them within my PS3 'device' (Harmony 880). And then finally, customized my buttons for the activity 'PS3'.

Everything works. All buttons work as expected. The directional button issues I had with the PS2 dongle are now in the past (thank gawd).

The only thing I cannot to respond as I would like is within the XMB menu. It moves, but only 1 space at a time, with a very slight delay. I cannot get it to sail across like the PS3 controller. I've changed the PS3 response time from 100ms to 50ms to 0ms, and none work. I've also changed the responsiveness from 3 to 0 to 5, and none work. In fact, between both elements and all selections I chose, I could see no change in behavior in using the 880 in the XMB menu. Using the original Nyko remote in XMB sails across just like the PS3 controller.

Has anyone been able to achieve this behavior, and what did you do? What settings do you have your PS3 on? Maybe it has to do with learning the Nyko directional buttons in raw, but that doesn't make too much sense, as they work fine, they just won't go in super-fast mode.

bschellva

07-21-07, 05:54 PM

The only thing I cannot to respond as I would like is within the XMB menu. It moves, but only 1 space at a time, with a very slight delay. I cannot get it to sail across like the PS3 controller. I've changed the PS3 response time from 100ms to 50ms to 0ms, and none work. I've also changed the responsiveness from 3 to 0 to 5, and none work. In fact, between both elements and all selections I chose, I could see no change in behavior in using the 880 in the XMB menu. Using the original Nyko remote in XMB sails across just like the PS3 controller.

I had this exact same problem with the Nyko and just happened to stumble upon the solution. The Harmony wants to learn the commands in RAW mode, but it needs to learn them ANALYZED. I know this doesn't agree with most of what I have read about the various PS3 solutions, but it worked for me. After I learned all of the commands, I noticed that a couple acted normal, with no delay afterwards. When I looked at the IR commands in the Harmony software, I noticed those were listed as ANALYZED instead of RAW. Eventually, I got all the command learned as ANALYZED and it works great. The key is to hold the button down for just the right ammount of time, not to long or too short. It's a pain but does work. Good luck!

Ronnie 1.8

07-21-07, 06:58 PM

I had this exact same problem with the Nyko and just happened to stumble upon the solution. The Harmony wants to learn the commands in RAW mode, but it needs to learn them ANALYZED. I know this doesn't agree with most of what I have read about the various PS3 solutions, but it worked for me. After I learned all of the commands, I noticed that a couple acted normal, with no delay afterwards. When I looked at the IR commands in the Harmony software, I noticed those were listed as ANALYZED instead of RAW. Eventually, I got all the command learned as ANALYZED and it works great. The key is to hold the button down for just the right ammount of time, not to long or too short. It's a pain but does work. Good luck!Interesting, bschellva. Upon reading your reply (thank you), I looked in the 'custom 'settings of PS3, and found *ALL* commands I learned this morning (from the Nyko remote) are *RAW*! How the heck did that happen? I must have accidentally chosen raw. I'll have to go back and see if I can relearn the direction keys as ANALYZED.

Ronnie 1.8

07-21-07, 07:24 PM

bschellva

07-21-07, 08:26 PM

OK, I just re-learned my 4 direction buttons. I chose LEARN, not LEARN RAW, yet the format still shows "Raw". In fact, every single button I learned this morning from the Nyko has a format of "Raw". The only names that have a format of "Analyzed" are those from the origin "Database", which consist of all names that are not on the Nyko remote, therefore I have no need for.

Hmm, Harmony support is closed at this time.

bschellva, how did you learn commands as "Analyzed"?

I think it was just dumb luck. Even if you don't choose RAW, you may end up with it. It was just by chance that one of my keys was learned as analyzed or I would have never stumbled upon this. At first I had to try keys multiple times before I could get it learned right. Toward the end of the list, I could do it pretty consistently. The only tip I can really offer is to make it a single firm press on the Nyko button. Not a quick press, not a long press - just a single firm press. If the software asks you to click the button again, it didn't work.

Ronnie 1.8

07-21-07, 09:02 PM

I think it was just dumb luck. Even if you don't choose RAW, you may end up with it. It was just by chance that one of my keys was learned as analyzed or I would have never stumbled upon this. At first I had to try keys multiple times before I could get it learned right. Toward the end of the list, I could do it pretty consistently. The only tip I can really offer is to make it a single firm press on the Nyko button. Not a quick press, not a long press - just a single firm press. If the software asks you to click the button again, it didn't work.OK, but you did choose LEARN too, right? I don't see how if we both choose LEARN, you get a format of ANALYZED and I get a format of RAW. There must be some other factor.

And interestingly, every time I selected the 4 directional buttons, then chose LEARN, I think it always asked for the RIGHT first, and it always asked me to repeat that button, and it usually asked me to repeat the next button, which I think was LEFT. It never asked to repeat UP or DOWN, yet all 4 have a format of RAW.

Yeah, there is another factor in there somewhere (no dumb luck :D ).

UxiSXRD

07-21-07, 11:23 PM

jdougjones

07-22-07, 07:13 AM

I got the Nyko and am only partially satisfied using it with my Harmony 676. It's OK for basic movie operation, but not so good with XMB nagivgation compared to the Blu-tooth controller. It's slow to navigate, especially through long lists like photos and music streamed from PC. I think I'm going to pick up the Sony Blu-tooth remote for that.

I wish Logitec would take the lead and develop a universal remote that has built-in PS3 support using Blu-tooth.

bschellva

07-22-07, 07:02 PM

OK, but you did choose LEARN too, right? I don't see how if we both choose LEARN, you get a format of ANALYZED and I get a format of RAW. There must be some other factor.

And interestingly, every time I selected the 4 directional buttons, then chose LEARN, I think it always asked for the RIGHT first, and it always asked me to repeat that button, and it usually asked me to repeat the next button, which I think was LEFT. It never asked to repeat UP or DOWN, yet all 4 have a format of RAW.

Yeah, there is another factor in there somewhere (no dumb luck :D ).

Yep, just clicked Learn. Sometimes it would learn as raw and other times as analyzed. I just repeated each one till I got it. I wonder if the remote you are learning with (880, 720, etc) could have an impact. I wish I could get Logitech to save my codes for others to use.

MegaHurtz83

07-25-07, 11:55 PM

This may have been covered before, but I haven't seen it asked or answered... is there a way to turn the PS3 on and off via IR remote? The Nyko remote seems like a great solution, but I can't tell if there is a way to power it on and off. It would be a PERFECT solution if I could use it toggle power, but if not, I might as well continue putting down my Harmony and using the Bluetooth remote when I need to use the PS3.

UxiSXRD

07-26-07, 12:34 AM

Per the 1.9 update, we can now eject discs from the XMB but power on/off is the only thing currently missing (Sony has slowly but surely added auto-play, then improved direction/arrow control via IR). It's probably only another update or two away from full functionality (including mapping the PS button and/or power).

kal

07-26-07, 08:29 AM

This may have been covered before, but I haven't seen it asked or answered... is there a way to turn the PS3 on and off via IR remote?No. The unit has to be on for the IR dongle to work. So not possible.

Kal

jdallaire

07-26-07, 05:02 PM

Thanks folks for all the help with the Harmony remotes and the Nyko USB IR remote. Just another data point I have a Harmony 767 remote all programmed. I added 4 costume buttons on the LCD for Circle Square Triangle and X . The direction button came in on the first try. I also had to lower the speed setting from 3 to 0 on a customized menu I could not find. With one tech call to Harmony and a 2 minute wait I was talked through how to change the speed setting witch solved my jumping XMB directional keys. DVD BD remote function is flawless. I must be dreaming pinch me please, as I never know tech support like Harmony actual existed. Thanks AVS for this outstanding forum. :):)

Axel

07-29-07, 06:27 PM

jrh

07-29-07, 06:43 PM

I have a URC MX-850, and I was *not* able to teach it the directional keys from the Nyko. I wish someone would and post the file to remotecentral. :)

UxiSXRD

07-29-07, 08:53 PM

I have been using the USB PS2 dongle solution for a while, but I am still struggling getting the directional keys to work reliably. I was wondering if I should "upgrade" to the Nyko. Has anybody compared both in this regard?

I couldn't get the contraption method to work reliably, but I was using a $4.99 Mad Catz remote/receiver instead of the official Sony one (unwilling to invest that much in the big ugly dongle solution). Biggest problem was multiple hits from each button for example I would hit to pause and it would play/pause/play/pause/play/pause a good 4 or 5 times per each press, regardless of how careful I tried to be in the learning stage (quick taps versus firm press, etc).

Nyko is flawless, though they also did the 1.8 update in between my two attempts IIRC.

Axel

07-29-07, 09:42 PM

Thanks guys! I guess, I'll be trying a few more tweaks with the codes from the dongle before I give the Nyko a shot.
___
Axel

curtlots

07-30-07, 01:26 PM

jrh,

After a little experimentation I finally got my MX-850 to learn the codes from the Nyko. I probably had to learn the directional buttons a dozen times before I got them all right. A VERY quick tap is what seemed to work. It will step up/down/right/left in the XMB one step at a time but it won't speed up by holding the buttons down.

After that I sat down and watched a movie and it worked great. I do need to program an exit/clear command and I'll be finished.

Here's how I placed the less obvious bottons:

Nyko vs. MX-850
triangle/options - guide
display - info
square/view - menu
previous & next - channel up & down & I also put it in the LCD screen

Some buttons such as L3 & R3 I didn't learn since they didn't seem to have a use in BD playback. Other buttons seem to duplicate the same actions such as square/view and top menu so I didn't learn top menu.

If anyone is interested in the file, I will try to post it in RemoteCentral although I have never tried to do that before.

CL

jrh

07-30-07, 02:06 PM

CL,

I was VERY happy to learn you'd been able to teach your MX-850 the directional codes! I'll try again, using the "VERY quick tap" method you describe. I (and others, I'm sure) would still appreciate your posting it to RemoteCentral, just in case we aren't successful.

Jim

dagware

07-30-07, 04:27 PM

I just got a PS3 on Saturday and ordered the Nyko on Saturday before reading this thread. I don't have the Nyko yet, but I have some theories about why some people get the directional buttons to work perfectly on the Harmony and others don't. In order from most likely to least likely:

1) It depends on EXACTLY how long you hold down the button during the learning process. A little too long, and it will skip 3-4 items at a time. A little too short and the speed going from item to item is too slow. Or something like that -- it could be the other way around. Only a lot of experimenting can confirm this.

2) It depends on what remote model number you have, or what firmware it has. I hope this is not the case.

3) It depends on how far away the remotes are during the learning process. Not likely, but it's remotely possible (pun intended).

4) A variation of Murphy's Law.

There's still an unanswered question about how to get these new codes added to the Harmony database so others can use them. Can someone contact Harmony/Logitech and get an answer to this? If no one has done this before I get mine delivered, I'll contact them.

-Dan

jrh

07-30-07, 04:49 PM

Just wanted to post that, using CL's method of a "VERY quick tap," I was *finally* able to get my MX-850 to learn directional keys from the Nyko remote. Thanks, CL!

Jim

curtlots

07-30-07, 09:15 PM

I'm happy it worked for you Jim.

I do have thank an earlier poster (Rajeek) who PM'd me with help and give credit where credits do!

Curt

gundan

08-02-07, 08:03 AM

Hello Everybody,

I would like to post my results using the Nyko Bluwave in my Harmony 880 remote setup.

As suggested my one of the other users here, I confirmed that all the buttons were learnt as "Analyzed". Initially when I had learnt the buttons about 50% of them were raw. I made sure all the buttons were "Analyzed". It was pretty straight forward to get it done. This can be done in the "Learn IR Commands", "Custom" settings.

I placed both the remotes on a plain surface and as one firm press to the remote made sure it was learnt as Analyzed. You can confirm the method it was learnt right away in the screen.

I further had to push the setting which was 3 to 0. I also had issues with the DirectionLeft button(even after it was learnt "Analyzed"). I learnt it a couple of times, and the third time was the lucky charm.

My PS right now works like a charm with the Harmony 880. May be one of these days, the PS button can be deciphered :-). If there is any magical way my learnt stuff can get to Logitech/Harmony's database, please do let me know and I will try to push it through. I have named my device as a "Bluwave PS3" DVD Player.

Please PM me if anybody has any specific questions.

Thanks,
G

Ronnie 1.8

08-02-07, 09:33 AM

Going into "custom", I was finally able to get 3 of 4 directional buttons working as expected (turbo speed enabled!).

I did NOT use the directional buttons under "optional commands" (Direction Right, Direction Left, etc), but rather used the directional buttons under "other commands" (Right, Left, etc). I don't see why that would make a differnce, as you can map any command to any label, but this is what I did. Also, I selected all 4 buttons to learn, and then chose "Learn Selected Commands". I did NOT select "Learn Selected Commands as Raw".

I learned all 4, noticed the format for all 4 was "analyzed", tested, and no good. Arrggghhhh.

I learned all 4 again, really doing nothing different, noticed the last 3 were "analyzed" while the first (Left) was "raw". ?? I learned "left" again, now the format is "analyzed". Tested. All but "left" work with turbo speed, and slow speed, all as expected. The "left" button does not work at all.

So I'm almost there. Ran out of time, and will work on it tonight. Should require very little time and effort.

dagware

08-03-07, 08:15 PM

I got my Nyko remote today, and finally got everything working, including the directional arrows. As with everyone else, all the keys were easy except the directionals. Contrary to what others have said, I finally tried learning my commands "raw", and this worked for me. A very quick tap of each button is what worked for me. I can tell that each key arrow isn't exactly the same, as turbo works a tad different with each arrow. But they all do work, so that's good enough for me.

Now to watch some movies!

-Dan

boblablaw

08-04-07, 11:49 AM

Ok...where is this "speed" setting everyone keeps changing from 3 to 0? I see the delay setting which i tried changing from 500ms to 0ms but it didn't really affect anything. Let me know..thanks!

If I learn analyzed it zips through 3 or 4 presses left or right or up or down...if i learn as raw it's painfully slow. I think the answer is to learn as analyzed and change the speed setting...but I can't find it!

boblablaw

08-04-07, 12:01 PM

dagware

08-04-07, 05:33 PM

Ok...nevermind...found it in another thread...now everything works beautifully.

I've learned every command as analyzed.

I set the inter-key delay to 0ms

This is how I changed the repeats to fix the too much scrolling in the XMB...

Click on the Device's "Troubleshoot"
- Select "Show me more problems"
- Select "Device doesn't appear to receive every command correctly."
- Select "The device responds too much to some commands (for example, volume up increases the volume too quickly)."
- Change this setting to 0.

Now everything works great with single presses moving one space in each direction and holding it down moves it in turbo mode. Great!
Thanks for posting this. I never did figure this out! I did, however, manage to get mine working without changing this. Maybe I was just lucky.

-Dan

UxiSXRD

08-04-07, 05:43 PM

I did NOT use the directional buttons under "optional commands" (Direction Right, Direction Left, etc), but rather used the directional buttons under "other commands" (Right, Left, etc). I don't see why that would make a differnce, as you can map any command to any label, but this is what I did. Also, I selected all 4 buttons to learn, and then chose "Learn Selected Commands". I did NOT select "Learn Selected Commands as Raw".

I don't see any directional choices from "other commands." Did you learn them as new commands, which added them to the list under "other commands?"

mikeny

08-04-07, 08:04 PM

Ok...nevermind...found it in another thread...now everything works beautifully.

I've learned every command as analyzed.

I set the inter-key delay to 0ms

This is how I changed the repeats to fix the too much scrolling in the XMB...

Click on the Device's "Troubleshoot"
- Select "Show me more problems"
- Select "Device doesn't appear to receive every command correctly."
- Select "The device responds too much to some commands (for example, volume up increases the volume too quickly)."
- Change this setting to 0.

Now everything works great with single presses moving one space in each direction and holding it down moves it in turbo mode. Great!Thank you. After doing this everything is PERFECT now. It took a few attempts to get it learn analyzed. I went into the custom area, and selected new commands which I called "up", "down", "left" and "right", then I learned them all until they were analyzed and remapped them. At first the right did not work so I learned it again and now its great.

snart

08-07-07, 08:21 AM

Question-

When programming my Harmony 676, I don't see a raw or analyzed option. It this only for 880's? (I do also have an 880, but it's for another room.)

Thanks!

jensph

08-07-07, 11:37 AM

When programming my Harmony 676, I don't see a raw or analyzed option.See the link in my earlier post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11022109&&#post11022109). I think you have to go through Troubleshooting...

snart

08-07-07, 05:59 PM

Thanks. Got everything working now.

Some tips that may help others...

I did not create custom up/down/left/right commands. I just used the included directionup/directiondown/etc. commands already there.

To learn the commands as analyzed, some folks said press each button very quickly. I found that pressing each button for approximately a full second did the trick for me.

UxiSXRD

08-07-07, 06:03 PM

Do you get "turbo speed" or slightly lagged repeat direcitonals, snart?

snart

08-07-07, 06:28 PM

The harmony behaves exactly like the nyko remote in all four directions. The menus react instantly in all four directions (even with consecutive button presses), and holding down a direction kicks it into rapid fire mode.

sonypete

08-07-07, 07:11 PM

UxiSXRD

08-07-07, 07:14 PM

After a couple trys was able to relearn the Nyko directionals as "Analyzed" instead of "raw." This was accomplished by holding for a second ("one one-thousand") instead of quick tap (often followed by a repeat request). I am not noticing any of the lag anymore, but still don't have "turbo speed" rapid fire...

mikeny

08-07-07, 08:27 PM

Wait a second, does the PS3 remote not work with DVD's only Blueray? I was about to pick it up but seems kidna of fishy that it will only work with bluray movies and not regular dvds.

If I am reading this wrong and it does work with DVD';s also why try to make anything else work???It works the same for DVDs as Blu-Ray. The directional buttons, if not properly learned in analyzed mode (usually) will not enable accurate fine navigation, including "turbo-speed" from within the XMB of the PS3. There may also be a lag and/or skipping within either Blu-Ray or DVDs.

Pens1566

08-07-07, 11:01 PM

sonypete

08-08-07, 05:41 PM

It works the same for DVDs as Blu-Ray. The directional buttons, if not properly learned in analyzed mode (usually) will not enable accurate fine navigation, including "turbo-speed" from within the XMB of the PS3. There may also be a lag and/or skipping within either Blu-Ray or DVDs.

Ahh so when trying to use the PS3 remote you can't speed thorugh a long list of videos. Now you said you can get it to use turbo speed if learned properly. Then why are people trying to get the ps2 remote and other 3rd party remotes to work via usb IR adaptors and such why not just use the PS3 remote?? Why would anyone want to clutter the front of thier system with adaptors and such or use older remotes? Just get a PS3 remote and properly learned and your all set.

Ronnie 1.8

08-08-07, 05:58 PM

Ahh so when trying to use the PS3 remote you can't speed thorugh a long list of videos. Now you said you can get it to use turbo speed if learned properly. Then why are people trying to get the ps2 remote and other 3rd party remotes to work via usb IR adaptors and such why not just use the PS3 remote?? Why would anyone want to clutter the front of thier system with adaptors and such or use older remotes? Just get a PS3 remote and properly learned and your all set.So you have the PS3 remote? Is it by Sony specifically for the PS3? How does it convert IR to bluetooth? It must have a USB IR-adapter, I would believe.

Pens1566

08-08-07, 06:47 PM

So you have the PS3 remote? Is it by Sony specifically for the PS3? How does it convert IR to bluetooth? It must have a USB IR-adapter, I would believe.

The SONY remote is bluetooth only. The IR remotes that people like me are buying (Nyko BluWave) are only so we can get the IR codes learned into our IR remotes such as the harmony series. There is no official IR PS3 remote. Once your IR remote gets the correct codes (via Analyzed mode on the Harmony) most functions work except PS, and power.

Ronnie 1.8

08-08-07, 06:53 PM

The SONY remote is bluetooth only. The IR remotes that people like me are buying (Nyko BluWave) are only so we can get the IR codes learned into our IR remotes such as the harmony series. There is no official IR PS3 remote. Once your IR remote gets the correct codes (via Analyzed mode on the Harmony) most functions work except PS, and power.As I thought. Thanks for clarifying, Pens1566. This is rhetorical, but why do I want another BT remote, when the PS3 controller already controls BD and DVD??? I guess if one doesn't mind having multiple remotes...

Pens1566

08-08-07, 08:08 PM

As I thought. Thanks for clarifying, Pens1566. This is rhetorical, but why do I want another BT remote, when the PS3 controller already controls BD and DVD??? I guess if one doesn't mind having multiple remotes...

The SONY PS3 remote is more intuitive for watching DVDs/listening to music or any other non-gaming situation. It beats having to remember what the square, circle, X, and triangle do. Having said that, I use my Harmony 676 for all things PS3.

sonypete

08-08-07, 09:31 PM

I see so your just setting it up to use another IR remote so you don't have to have one extra remote(aka PS3 remote) but instead trade off by having a IR adaptor on the front of the PS3.

BUT WAIT the Nyko BluWave stats that is only works with the PS3, are you guys able to make it work with other things??

Okay I re-read and your just buying the Nyko to program your harmony remote, so int he end your just suing one remote for both the ps3 and audio reciever and such.

Pens1566

08-08-07, 11:00 PM

Dan Hitchman

08-12-07, 01:33 AM

chris0

08-14-07, 03:56 PM

Ronnie 1.8, boblablaw (greatest character name ever, I miss AD,) snart and UxiSXRD...thanks! You each provided tips that worked perfectly for me. Now my harmony moves only one spot per button push and the turbo works exactly as it does with the controller. The things that worked for me were...

1. Make sure everything is learned as Analyzed, not Raw.
2. In order to do that I held down the key for about 1 second ("one one-thousand")
3. Set the speed to 0

I'd been fiddling with this off and on for weeks now, but those 3 things made it so simple. Thanks again.

Axel

08-14-07, 04:43 PM

I'm programming a URC MX-3000 remote. Are there any files on Remote Central to download yet? Or if someone here has created a successful RCC file for URC remotes, would they like to post it?

Thanks!!

Dan;
Just to clarify, IIRC you are looking for Nyko codes, correct?

While I do not have a Nyko (yet) I also have a MX-3000 (but also and no codes).
I would really appreciate if you could let me know either through this thread here or via pm when/if you receive the file and of course how the Nyko performs with your remote.

TIA!

(I am currently evaluating a BDP-S301. IR control is soooo much more reliable than my PS2/IR dongle solution on the PS3....)

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Axel

Ronnie 1.8

08-14-07, 10:55 PM

bhorrell

08-17-07, 01:23 PM

Does anyone have the codes for the Nyko in a Pronto file that they have shared on Remote Central? I could not find one.

Ben

erikk

08-17-07, 01:25 PM

Does anyone have the codes for the Nyko in a Pronto file that they have shared on Remote Central? I could not find one.

Ben

Same question for the Logic3. Even better if you have them in URC MX-950 format but I can convert from Pronto.

Pens1566

08-17-07, 05:20 PM

Does anyone have the codes for the Nyko in a Pronto file that they have shared on Remote Central? I could not find one.

Ben

Just get a Harmony Ben, you know you want to. :)

Tim Sly

08-19-07, 12:56 AM

My PS right now works like a charm with the Harmony 880. May be one of these days, the PS button can be deciphered :-). If there is any magical way my learnt stuff can get to Logitech/Harmony's database, please do let me know and I will try to push it through. I have named my device as a "Bluwave PS3" DVD Player.

I don't have the PS3 but I tried adding the device "Bluwave PS3" DVD player to my Harmony 659 setup and it added it. It was probably your saved setup so maybe you have done all the hard work for others. Someone see if it works for the PS3.:D

Tim Sly

08-19-07, 01:10 AM

Ok...nevermind...found it in another thread...now everything works beautifully.

I've learned every command as analyzed.

I set the inter-key delay to 0ms

This is how I changed the repeats to fix the too much scrolling in the XMB...

Click on the Device's "Troubleshoot"
- Select "Show me more problems"
- Select "Device doesn't appear to receive every command correctly."
- Select "The device responds too much to some commands (for example, volume up increases the volume too quickly)."
- Change this setting to 0.

Now everything works great with single presses moving one space in each direction and holding it down moves it in turbo mode. Great!

So everyone is clear what you mean when setting up the Harmony... Changing the inter-key delay to 0ms fixes the turbo when holding down the button and fixing the repeat problems was in another menu described above in Troubleshooting.

getmyrunon

08-19-07, 03:12 AM

For anyone looking for this -- it's available on Amazon for 9.99 right now (Deal of the Day for 8/19).

zoro

08-19-07, 03:27 AM

thnx, just ordered!

nagus69

08-19-07, 03:46 AM

I don't have the PS3 but I tried adding the device "Bluwave PS3" DVD player to my Harmony 659 setup and it added it. It was probably your saved setup so maybe you have done all the hard work for others. Someone see if it works for the PS3.:D

Can you explain, step by step, how to do this? Because when i try this, granted the german version, it doesn't work - and i don't believe that the database has a different data set in the german version, but who knows :eek:

What I did -

Add device -> DVD -> DVD -> other vendor (i guess)
Then i enter Bluwave as Vendor ID and PS3 as model.

Thanks in advance ;)

Enigma

08-19-07, 04:22 AM

For anyone looking for this -- it's available on Amazon for 9.99 right now (Deal of the Day for 8/19).Excellent! Just ordered it as well; interested to see how functional it is compared to the bluetooth remote; hopefully to integrate into a universal remote in the future.

Axel

08-19-07, 06:53 AM

For anyone looking for this -- it's available on Amazon for 9.99 right now (Deal of the Day for 8/19).

Thanks! Got one as well.
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Axel

rettenhu

08-19-07, 06:40 PM

I don't have the PS3 but I tried adding the device "Bluwave PS3" DVD player to my Harmony 659 setup and it added it. It was probably your saved setup so maybe you have done all the hard work for others. Someone see if it works for the PS3.:D

Tim,

I can't find a DVD device in the Harmony database with a manufacturer of Nyko. Can you be more speciifc on how you located it?

Thanks!

Edit: Nagus69 I didn't see your reply on this but I am having the same problem locating any Nyko device

gte747e

08-19-07, 09:45 PM

I also ordered mine today...and my 880 is also on the way. Hopefully, I'll be able to set both up.

Tim Sly

08-20-07, 12:05 AM

Tim,

I can't find a DVD device in the Harmony database with a manufacturer of Nyko. Can you be more speciifc on how you located it?

Thanks!

Edit: Nagus69 I didn't see your reply on this but I am having the same problem locating any Nyko device

How did I do that? Let me try to remember. I think I looked under DVD player to find the playstation then I just entered the model number exactly as:
Bluwave PS3

nagus69

08-20-07, 07:17 AM

Thanks - however i cant find it in the menu. :(

sethhobrin

08-20-07, 08:44 AM

What search term as you guys using to find this in the Harmony database so I don't have to figure out how to program it manually?

CDRACING

08-20-07, 12:52 PM

nagus69

08-20-07, 01:09 PM

so how do you get that IR receiver plugged into the ps2 dongle that eventually is plugged into the usb port on the playstation3 to receive the commands from your harmony remote?

Don't know about the setup that you described, i have an IR usb dongle that i put into one of the 4 usb slots from the PS3.

erikk

08-20-07, 01:25 PM

I've been looking at this thread and trying to understand somethings. The IR receiver with the playstation2 remote plugs into a controller slot on the playstation2, so how do you get that IR receiver plugged into the ps2 dongle that eventually is plugged into the usb port on the playstation3 to receive the commands from your harmony remote? Or am I missing another attacthment or something. Be nice if someone would post a pic of the final hookups being put in your ps3.

I'm not sure what you're missing? The PS2 IR receiver plugs into a PSX/PS2 Controller to USB adapter.

http://www.remotecentral.com/articles/ps3-ir-remote-photo03.jpg

You can also see the info on how to do it here:

http://www.remotecentral.com/articles/ps3-ir-remote.htm

This thread is talking about new options from Nyko and Logic3 that basically replace that lash-up with a single USB piece that accepts IR.

chris0

08-20-07, 02:46 PM

CDRACING

08-20-07, 04:08 PM

Awesome now i understand :) thx for the fast replies and the pic. The pic really helped.

nagus69

08-21-07, 10:40 AM

shanewalker

08-21-07, 01:23 PM

Sorry if this has been answered somewhere before, but is there a way to combine the two main IR 'solutions'? I have the PS2 IR remote (original PS2 w/ IR adapter and disc, just need to get the adapter)--but I like the cleaner USB hardware of the Nyko.

Can you use the Nyko USB adapter w/ the PS2 codes (I'm assuming here then, that there is a PS2 profile ready for download on the Harmony website that would help one avoid manual programming).

That, for me, would seemingly be ideal.

pbmpharmacist

08-21-07, 02:47 PM

So,

has anyone been able to select a pre-configured PS3 set that uses the IR Commands from any of those available (Nyko, Bigben, Logic3 etc) - which was stored by another user?

If so, please clue me in :)

I'm going to get the Nyko so I was reading this thread and searching logitech for this set. I went under game console ---> Sony and then entered Bluwave PS3 as my product model number. It seemed to take it but I can't confirm it works as I don't have the Nyko yet. Can anyone confirm this is how to auto-grab the Nyko IR commands?

Axel

08-21-07, 03:19 PM

While this is clearly a 'Harmony dominated' thread :), I am still hoping someone could help me getting 'proven' Nyko codes for an URC remote (MX-3000). A Pronto ccf file would do, too.
TIA!
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Axel

erikk

08-21-07, 05:32 PM

While this is clearly a 'Harmony dominated' thread :), I am still hoping someone could help me getting 'proven' Nyko codes for an URC remote (MX-3000). A Pronto ccf file would do, too.
TIA!
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Axel

My Nyko is in the mail and I'll be using it with a MX-950. I should be able to send you my .mxc shortly which I think you can use on a MX-3000 or at very least import from.

Axel

08-21-07, 05:39 PM

My Nyko is in the mail and I'll be using it with a MX-950. I should be able to send you my .mxc shortly which I think you can use on a MX-3000 or at very least import from.

I appreciate that! I should get my Nyko hopefully later this week or early next. Maybe we can 'compare notes' or better said 'compare codes' :D ?
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Axel

racherb

08-22-07, 09:11 PM

I've been able to program the Nyko remote commands into my Harmony 880 (as Analyzed commands) and it works as advertised. I've also adjusted the speed settings as suggested, and that does allow turbo scrolling though XMB. However, I do notice one particular fluke...

When I'm browsing in XMB, if move around (using the directional arrows) at a normal pace, the on-screen selection moves as it should. If I pause for longer than 5 seconds, my next command (whether an directional key or the select/enter key) adds a "up" directional command before the command I entered. For example, if I wait five seconds or longer and press the left arrow, the XMB selector actually moves up and then left. Again, this doesn't happen if I'm browsing XMB at a steady pace.

I thought the problem might be that my commands haven't been learned properly by my Harmony 880, but to my surprise, the Nyko remote does the same thing! (The PS3 controller doesn't exhibit this behavior). Has anybody else experienced this? Maybe my Nyko USB dongle is the culprit. If nobody else is experiencing this, maybe it's worth buying/trying another Nyko dongle...

-Racher

erikk

08-22-07, 09:19 PM

I appreciate that! I should get my Nyko hopefully later this week or early next. Maybe we can 'compare notes' or better said 'compare codes' :D ?
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Axel

Turns out Amazon hasn't even sent mine yet. You might get yours first.

chris0

08-22-07, 09:36 PM

...Has anybody else experienced this? Maybe my Nyko USB dongle is the culprit. If nobody else is experiencing this, maybe it's worth buying/trying another Nyko dongle...

-Racher

Mine does the exact same thing. Everything else works perfectly. I noticed it recently and thought it was the way I had learned the commands. After so many attempts to program this thing to where it is now I didn't feel like trying to correct it. If the original does it too then that puts my mind at ease a bit.
Sounds like the dongle goes to sleep after a few seconds and hiccups when it wakes up.

keenan

08-22-07, 10:04 PM

bschellva

08-22-07, 10:13 PM

I thought the problem might be that my commands haven't been learned properly by my Harmony 880, but to my surprise, the Nyko remote does the same thing! (The PS3 controller doesn't exhibit this behavior). Has anybody else experienced this? Maybe my Nyko USB dongle is the culprit. If nobody else is experiencing this, maybe it's worth buying/trying another Nyko dongle...

Yep. Same problem here. I have learned not tho hit Select uless the red light on the usb dongle is on.

mikeny

08-22-07, 11:26 PM

Same response here...I'll press "Select' and it'll jump up and and select. I could be selecting "TwonkyMedia" and instead it'll jump up and select "Search for Media Servers"

You need to move it move it up or down/left or right before selecting, unfortunately.

racherb

08-23-07, 01:22 AM

Well, I guess that's a relief. At least it's not just me, but I was hoping for a fix. In any case, at least my Harmony controls the PS3 now. Until Logitech releases an IR/Bluetooth combo universal remote (which would also control my Wii), I'll have to be satisfied!

-Racher

gte747e

08-23-07, 02:57 AM

Both my 880 and Nyko are on their way (slowly) from Amazon. This will be my first Harmony and I am hoping it won't be too difficult to program. I hope that I can find the Bluewave already done on the Harmony site, and select that.

By the way, speaking of Nyko, the 4-Controller Charger is a great addition to the PS3.

MMuecke

08-23-07, 11:48 AM

Axel

08-23-07, 12:19 PM

erikk

08-23-07, 12:20 PM

include downloadable hex codes on your website for Prontos and other universal remotes (not everyone uses harmony) and if the price is right I'd still say there's somewhat of a market for them. I would have bought just the USB dongle instead of the Nyko setup if that was an option. God knows I'm just putting that remote into a drawer or throwing it out.

Hell if you have 100 of them already, you might as well go live with the website and at least try and sell them to recoup any investment you've made so far.

erikk

08-23-07, 12:28 PM

MMuecke;
If you could find a solution to overcome the USB power issue, I think you would have an excellent product. Is there a chance to supply power externally (e.g. battery) or even integrate a battery/capacitor that gets charged during normal operation and stores the energy which is needed later to wake up the PS3? I could live with only a few days of stand-by power.

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Axel

Even if the USB device had its own power I doubt that the PS3 can be woken by a USB device right now. The jacks don't have power on the internal side when the PS3 is in standby. I have no idea why they decided to do this (who wouldn't want to charge their controllers when they're not in use).

But this can be tested. Just plug the IR receiver into a powered USB hub and see if it can wake the PS3; the PS3 wakes on play or pretty much any button on the bluetooth remote (another STUPID call on Sony's part) so hopefully it''d work the same with the IR remote for testing purposes.

We can only hope that Sony "fixes" this in a future software update.

Axel

08-23-07, 12:37 PM

Even if the USB device had its own power I doubt that the PS3 can be woken by a USB device right now. The jacks don't have power on the internal side when the PS3 is in standby. I have no idea why they decided to do this (who wouldn't want to charge their controllers when they're not in use).

But this can be tested. Just plug the IR receiver into a powered USB hub and see if it can wake the PS3; the PS3 wakes on play or pretty much any button on the bluetooth remote (another STUPID call on Sony's part) so hopefully it''d work the same with the IR remote for testing purposes.

We can only hope that Sony "fixes" this in a future software update.

This test sounds good and easy to perform. Now if I could only find a powered hub .... I got to check....:)

Maybe someone has tried this already and could chime in....
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Axel

Axel

08-23-07, 03:34 PM

This test sounds good and easy to perform. Now if I could only find a powered hub .... I got to check....:)

Maybe someone has tried this already and could chime in....
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Axel

OK, I found a powered hub and hooked it up to my USB/PS2 dongle. I tried several buttons, but neither one worked. Unfortunately, I do not have the infamous PS button to try :(.
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Axel

dagware

08-23-07, 04:37 PM

It's funny -- I kind of noticed this behavior, but I sort of ignored it. So it's nice to know I'm not alone, I guess. :rolleyes:

-Dan

erikk

08-23-07, 04:43 PM

OK, I found a powered hub and hooked it up to my USB/PS2 dongle. I tried several buttons, but neither one worked. Unfortunately, I do not have the infamous PS button to try :(.
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Axel

If that didn't work I'd be willing to bet large sums of money that even if there was an IR code for the PS button that it wouldn't turn on the PS3 from a USB device.

kethdredd

08-23-07, 04:47 PM

Just finished setting up the Nyko with my Harmony 676. It took me 2 hours to program it manually and it still doesnt feel right but its functional. There are currently no codes stored in the Harmony database for the Nyko.
I'm really hoping that someone gets the Nyko codes added to the database sometime soon. Or Harmony releases a Bluetooth/RF hybrid remote.

chris0

08-23-07, 06:35 PM

I'm really hoping that someone gets the Nyko codes added to the database sometime soon.

I think the problem is that we've each set it up differently. I know when I set it up I chose Sony as the manufacturer and PS3 as the model #, then learned the commands when there were none found. Others chose Nyko as the manufacturer and maybe Bluwave (or Blu Wave, or Blu-Wave) as the model, or Nyko Bluwave as the manufacturer and something else as the model. My guess is that there isn't much that we've chosen to be the same to unify it as a single code in the Harmony database.

Here's what I propose if enough people here are willing...

Re-enter the Nyko remote into the database using
Game Console>Game Console (Withe DVD)>-Not Listed->Nyko>83040-F09

83040-F09 is the model # listed on the back of my Nyko remote. They're probably all the same model # but if we get different ones we could use something else as the model #, maybe BluWave or PS3. If they are all the same I think that's the best way to go, seeing as it's how everything else is entered.

I think I've figured out how to successfully program my Harmony so it shouldn't take too long to do it again. Those of us who've already got it programmed (and probably integrated into other Activities) would only be doing this for the benifit of newcomers, but I'd be willing to do it.

The first thing we need to know is...is the model # the same for everybody?
The second thing we need to know is...is anyone else willing to go through the trouble?
I don't know how many entries are needed to make it into the database. Maybe if those new to this thread start entering it this way it will be entered soon. It may only take a couple of entries or it may take a hundred entries, I have no idea.

comments, thoughts, suggestions...?

kethdredd

08-23-07, 07:13 PM

I think the problem is that we've each set it up differently. I know when I set it up I chose Sony as the manufacturer and PS3 as the model #, then learned the commands when there were none found. Others chose Nyko as the manufacturer and maybe Bluwave (or Blu Wave, or Blu-Wave) as the model, or Nyko Bluwave as the manufacturer and something else as the model. My guess is that there isn't much that we've chosen to be the same to unify it as a single code in the Harmony database.

Here's what I propose if enough people here are willing...

Re-enter the Nyko remote into the database using
Game Console>Game Console (Withe DVD)>-Not Listed->Nyko>83040-F09

83040-F09 is the model # listed on the back of my Nyko remote. They're probably all the same model # but if we get different ones we could use something else as the model #, maybe BluWave or PS3. If they are all the same I think that's the best way to go, seeing as it's how everything else is entered.

I think I've figured out how to successfully program my Harmony so it shouldn't take too long to do it again. Those of us who've already got it programmed (and probably integrated into other Activities) would only be doing this for the benifit of newcomers, but I'd be willing to do it.

The first thing we need to know is...is the model # the same for everybody?
The second thing we need to know is...is anyone else willing to go through the trouble?
I don't know how many entries are needed to make it into the database. Maybe if those new to this thread start entering it this way it will be entered soon. It may only take a couple of entries or it may take a hundred entries, I have no idea.

comments, thoughts, suggestions...?

I'm not so sure that if 1000 people added their nyko to the database that it would necessarily DO anything. I may be wrong but I dont think that my profile got uploaded anywhere when I put in my remote. For one thing people put in different functions, I for one didn't put all the buttons on the Nyko into my Harmony. Also people use different length of keystrokes in etc.

I'm not positive but I think that any additions to the database are done on Harmony's side, that way they can ensure quality control on the codes (length of keypress etc.)

I may call up customer service and ask them what it takes to get something added to the database.

Interestingly enough if you add Nyko and Bluwave, Playstation 3 comes up in parenthesis.

chris0

08-23-07, 07:49 PM

I'm not so sure that if 1000 people added their nyko to the database that it would necessarily DO anything. I may be wrong but I dont think that my profile got uploaded anywhere when I put in my remote.
I think that one way codes get entered is through user input. That may be why they ask for uniformity when naming learned commands (capitalize each word, no spaces between words, etc.) And, though I'm too lazy to search for it now, I believe I've read that in a few places.

For one thing people put in different functions, I for one didn't put all the buttons on the Nyko into my Harmony. Also people use different length of keystrokes in etc.
There are a lot of variables, for sure, but most things should be intuitive (Chapter Next for Next, Menu for Top Menu, etc.) And one of the keys to teaching this thing seems to be to get it learned in Analyzed mode, which does away with the length of keystrokes thing.

I may call up customer service and ask them what it takes to get something added to the database.

Please let us know if you do and what they say. Maybe I'm just wasting my time with this.

MMuecke

08-24-07, 10:28 AM

If that didn't work I'd be willing to bet large sums of money that even if there was an IR code for the PS button that it wouldn't turn on the PS3 from a USB device.

Right. USB hosts look for a toggle on the data line. But this requires firmware support and usually it is all tied in electronically with sending power out to the device. I tried unsuccessfully to enlist Sony in fixing this. They declined to even discuss it citing proprietary reasons. I have experimented with grounding a pad that sticks over the cap sense power button. It works but, who would buy such a rinky dink solution.

I think the power issue is keeping any big name from doing it. And... it is very difficult to provide a cheap solution and make a bit of money with something in such a small niche. I will go ahead and put my website up. Who knows...

And... IMHO, I still think the killer solution is using the PSP as your universal remote. It will talk to the PS3. It has a great screen and is much cheaper than the Harmony 1000. Logitech so far claims it has no intention of adding Sony's proprietary BlueTooth mode to their product. Can't we all just get along? (And all this time I thought BlueTooth was a "standard"):D

erikk

08-24-07, 10:31 AM

MMuecke

08-24-07, 10:47 AM

BTW, even though USB seems very simple. It ain't even! You wouldn't believe all that goes into just enumeration for example. It takes a delicate dance between the Host firmware and the device firmware on each level. It is extremely unlikely that any off the shelf device will even send any USB traffic out to the host until it is enumerated first by the host, given an address, and enabled in many other ways. So the powered hub test may not mean anything unless the device is specifically designed for remote wakeup. The only way to really test this is to mock up a device that does the wakeup toggle on a powered hub without enumeration. Don't hold your breath...

MMuecke

08-24-07, 10:57 AM

the killer solution is Sony realizing they were morons with this call (not including IR as an option) and coming out with an IR solution of their own that includes on/off. Because that would by definition have to include a firmware fix for the USB issue.

It may also require hardware changes. Oops! In almost all USB designs, the switching of power to downstream devices is unique, not supplied by the hub. This means that Sony may not have separated the USB power out with a switch so... it's possible they can't do it with just firmware. Now that would be a bit embarrassing.

jason10mm

08-24-07, 12:27 PM

[QUOTE=MMuecke;11396464]Is there still a place in the market for a USB IR receiver for the PS3 that uses PS2 codes? One that let's you simply select PS2 as the device and the Harmony remotes just work right away? I was planning on offering this solution but, in light of the release of similar products, I'm not sure I should bother. It's a shame since I have spent a ton of time perfecting the device and the retail packaging as a moonlight project... bummer.QUOTE]

If all I had to do was stick this dongle in a USB port and load my Harmony (I have the 360 $130 one, not sure of the model number) with codes from online, than I would be interested. No issue with me for powering the PS3 since I will either be using the controller for games or inserting a BD disc for movies.

kethdredd

08-24-07, 03:56 PM

Please let us know if you do and what they say. Maybe I'm just wasting my time with this.

I actually called at 9am this morning and talked with a tech support guy. I think he was a little confused but I was eventually able to get my point across. According to him codes are added to the database much in the way you described. I asked him why when adding the remote it still makes us put in codes for each remote, he wasn't sure. He told me to call back for a T2 tech support guy but I got busy.

Edit: Just got off the phone with tech support, the guy was very knowledgeable and helped me fix my setup. He said that the database addition should be coming soon, they just need enough people to verify the codes, so basically it was exactly as you stated Chris0!

For the record my codes were added to the database under this device:

Game Console with DVD---->Nyko----->Bluwave

For the record Harmony CS kicks ass.

zkyoo

08-25-07, 01:41 AM

Is there still a place in the market for a USB IR receiver for the PS3 that uses PS2 codes? One that let's you simply select PS2 as the device and the Harmony remotes just work right away? I was planning on offering this solution but, in light of the release of similar products, I'm not sure I should bother. It's a shame since I have spent a ton of time perfecting the device and the retail packaging as a moonlight project... bummer.

I have a hundred in stock but was just about to order a batch of 1000 this week and go live with the website. Sounds like maybe I'd just be wasting my $$$.

BTW, I keep hearing people talk about finding a secret PS key for power. The problem is that the PS3 firmware doesn't support remote wakeup of the USB device. So, the USB IR receiver doesn't have any power until the PS3 is turned on and therefore can't do anything at all until then. Sorry.

If I understand you correctly, mmuecke, this dongle allows ALL functions of PS3 bluetooth remote other than the PS button. If that's the case, and if the price is right (meaning less than or in line with the Nyko product), I'd be definitely interested. I was waiting for Logitech to come out with Bluetooth+IR+RF harmony, but from discussions posted here it seems that it may not come out any time soon...

chris0

08-25-07, 03:35 AM

...so basically it was exactly as you stated Chris0!

finally I got something right! plus, you've gotta figure, with over 175,000 components in the database, and potentially thousands more released every year, they'd need an army to input all the codes themselves.

if you should have to call them back for any reason, please ask them if it makes a difference how we name it or if their software is smart enough to recognize the similar codes and recognize that it's the same product.

erikk

08-25-07, 11:03 AM

If I understand you correctly, mmuecke, this dongle allows ALL functions of PS3 bluetooth remote other than the PS button. If that's the case, and if the price is right (meaning less than or in line with the Nyko product), I'd be definitely interested. I was waiting for Logitech to come out with Bluetooth+IR+RF harmony, but from discussions posted here it seems that it may not come out any time soon...

He's not saying it does all the functions of the PS3 bluetooth remote. He's saying it does the functions of the PS2 remote. Basically the same functionality of the Nyko or Logic3

gte747e

08-25-07, 10:09 PM

Edit: Just got off the phone with tech support, the guy was very knowledgeable and helped me fix my setup. He said that the database addition should be coming soon, they just need enough people to verify the codes, so basically it was exactly as you stated Chris0!

For the record my codes were added to the database under this device:

Game Console with DVD---->Nyko----->Bluwave

I selected it as you have above, but it still said I had to teach commands via the Bluwave remote (which should arrive Monday). How will we know when the device has been added by Harmony?

kethdredd

08-26-07, 10:13 AM

I selected it as you have above, but it still said I had to teach commands via the Bluwave remote (which should arrive Monday). How will we know when the device has been added by Harmony?

The only way we will really know is when someone tries to add it to their devices and they don't have to manually program it.

If you have problems, don't hesitate to call CS, they do a really good job with it, although I did have to go to Tier 2 tech support, if you mention the remote and PS3, the CS reps should know what you are talking about.

PLincoln

08-29-07, 01:31 PM

As I've posted I am using my Harmony 720 with the Nyko USB IR key and almost entirely satisfied by it... but still thinking of alternatives. Read a post on remote central that speculated on using RS-232 to Bluetooth adaptors/software and I'm thinking this has potential, as well. Maybe more for custom installers and serious techno geek types than something as plug and play as the Nyko, but I"m game.

My Denon 4306 has an RS232 and I could see a setup whereby I used my Harmony to send commands to the PS3 through the Denon...

The RS232 is for input only to control that particular device...so the RS232 on your Denon can only accept commands for the Denon. In order to control mulitple RS232 capable devices you would need an RS232 AV Controller. The Nyko seems to be the best solution right now.

UxiSXRD

08-29-07, 02:23 PM

Yeah that's what I figured.

I may have never mentioned here, but there must be some sort of... "feedback" or "surge" or something via HDMI, because I've noticed when I turn on my HDTV (Sony 60XBR1) with my Harmony that the screen on my Denon RC1024 EL remote lights up and intermittently, my PS3 will turn on. I have PS3 connected via HDMI to my Denon 4306 and my Denon connected to my XBR1 via HDMI. I haven't been able to detect any patterns or method to the madness but it could be something we could capitalize on...

agarg

08-30-07, 02:36 PM

Just wanted to let you guys know, I was able to select the Nyko bluwave for my Harmony 1000 and did not have to program it myself, the codes from the database work.

rettenhu

08-30-07, 05:20 PM

Agarg, I added the NYKO device and set up an Activity to "Watch Bluray DVD". However, none of the DVD control buttons (Stop, Play, Pause, etc.) on my 880 seem to do anything. What are you using as the IR receiver on the PS3? Is there a setting on the PS3 I'm missing? Thanks!

erikk

08-30-07, 05:28 PM

Did you buy the NYKO device? you do realize that the PS3 doesn't have an IR receiver right? The NYKO has a USB dongle that you have to use.

rettenhu

08-30-07, 05:46 PM

Did you buy the NYKO device? you do realize that the PS3 doesn't have an IR receiver right? The NYKO has a USB dongle that you have to use.
I have a Logitech USB Bluetooth adapter, that I was "hoping" would work as the IR receiver. Guess not...

Poochie

08-30-07, 11:00 PM

Just wanted to let you guys know, I was able to select the Nyko bluwave for my Harmony 1000 and did not have to program it myself, the codes from the database work.

Thanks for the report. I have previously managed to program my 880 manually with the Nyko, and it works but the navigation in the XMB and browser for the store is slooooow. I know others have done a better job but I've been lazy and awaiting a 'good' profile in the database rather than futzing with it myself.

How has your experience with control in the XMB been? Is it fast, and without spurious repeats (e.g. a quick tap of the direction pad results in only one 'move') ? If so, I'll be motivated to pick up the codes from the database rather than the ones I scanned manually. Thanks!

PLincoln

08-31-07, 06:00 AM

Thanks for the report. I have previously managed to program my 880 manually with the Nyko, and it works but the navigation in the XMB and browser for the store is slooooow. I know others have done a better job but I've been lazy and awaiting a 'good' profile in the database rather than futzing with it myself.

How has your experience with control in the XMB been? Is it fast, and without spurious repeats (e.g. a quick tap of the direction pad results in only one 'move') ? If so, I'll be motivated to pick up the codes from the database rather than the ones I scanned manually. Thanks!

My Harmony 1000 is as fast as the Nyko and without repeats. The key to learning the signals is:

1. You need to learn in ANALYZED mode. If you use raw mode, then you can end up with slow response and repeats, because the harmony will send the signal exactly the way you pressed the button. Analyzed mode will process the IR code and look for the "core" code...a single press.

2. Pressing the button: not a quick ie tap, but not holding it down either. I found that about a 1sec press is best. If you work in analyzed mode, and it asks you to confirm the button press a second time, it did not work, and you need to restart that command again. Only when it accepts the button press on the first try did it properly learn the signal in analyzed mode.

3. Under troubleshooting, set the IR repeat to 0. Also set all the other delays to 0.

If you follow those guide lines you will have a database of codes that work perfectly. Once you get the timing of the button it won't require much effort. It took my only a couple tries to get it to work.

Good luck

MMuecke

08-31-07, 02:03 PM

Well I finally have the USBIRX3 available for sale at Schmartz.com

Check it out!

Mike:cool:

rettenhu

08-31-07, 02:32 PM

Not sure I want to pay $30 for it... :eek:

Well I finally have the USBIRX3 available for sale at Schmartz.com

Check it out!

Mike:cool:

PLincoln

08-31-07, 02:35 PM

Not sure I want to pay $30 for it... :eek:

that was my thought...I bought a remote and dongle shipped to my door for 10.00 less than that.

zkyoo

08-31-07, 03:01 PM

Well I finally have the USBIRX3 available for sale at Schmartz.com

Check it out!

Mike:cool:

Two questions:

1. I read in this thread that the Nyko solution makes the PS3 game controller as "Controller 2", and you need to set it to "Controller 1" EACH TIME you want to play a PS3 game. Is this the case with your dongle as well? I play game and watch bd 50:50, so this is quite an inconvenience for me. If the answer is yes, is this a universal problem for USB dongle solutions, just like the remote on/off functionality?

2. I noticed from the pictures of PS2 remote and Nyko remote that PS2 remote has way more buttons. Does your dongle support "Subtitle", "Audio" sort of buttons the PS2 remote has?

erikk

08-31-07, 03:08 PM

No the Nyko doesn't support the other buttons from the PS2 remote. But then the PS2 remote lashup dongle (IR receiver -> PS2 converter) doesn't support those either.

I found that removing the Nyko dongle when you want to play a game is easier/quicker than going into the menus to switch the assignment. You're there putting in the game disc and you just remove the dongle at that point.

chris0

08-31-07, 03:58 PM

...I read in this thread that the Nyko solution makes the PS3 game controller as "Controller 2", and you need to set it to "Controller 1" EACH TIME you want to play a PS3 game...

I think I was one of the ones who mentioned something about that a while back. I have two controllers and I think picked up controller 2 thinking it was controller 1. I just turned on one of my controllers and it assigned itself to controller 1. Each time in the last month or so, that I can remember, when I turned on the controller it assigned itself to controller 1. I haven't taken the dongle out since I put it in many moons ago.

agarg

08-31-07, 07:24 PM

chris0

08-31-07, 11:47 PM

Usually it works pretty good, but it is a little slow, not perfect. I'm just too lazy to want to even program it. Once in a while it has moved a whole bunch of times in the xmb with one click. How do I set it to program in analyzed mode? even when I hit custom and learn, it learns as raw. Do I have to click learn for one key at a time?

no, you can do a bunch at a time. it's a timing issue. as you push the button count "one-one-thousand" and let go. that's about how long you need to hold the button for the harmony to analyze it.

MMuecke

09-01-07, 10:18 AM

Two questions:

1. I read in this thread that the Nyko solution makes the PS3 game controller as "Controller 2", and you need to set it to "Controller 1" EACH TIME you want to play a PS3 game. Is this the case with your dongle as well? I play game and watch bd 50:50, so this is quite an inconvenience for me. If the answer is yes, is this a universal problem for USB dongle solutions, just like the remote on/off functionality?

2. I noticed from the pictures of PS2 remote and Nyko remote that PS2 remote has way more buttons. Does your dongle support "Subtitle", "Audio" sort of buttons the PS2 remote has?

There isn't any problem with controller numbering that I have seen. You just plug it in and it stays there forever.

The "Subtitle" and "Audio" type of buttons do not seem to be supported through USB. I tried talking to Sony but they refused to comment other than to say something along the line of they don't discuss proprietary details of their products. The chapter navigation works though, as well as bringing up the chapter and play time status screen. basically, with all of these products, you will be limited to exactly the same button functionality as the controller since that is what is being simulated.

MMuecke

09-01-07, 10:34 AM

Not sure I want to pay $30 for it... :eek:

Well $30 is the cheapest I can sell it and stay in such a small niche market. I'm not convinced the other stuff at $20 is staying around. Personally, I have tried to purchase both the Logic3 and the Nyko devices and have not had any luck. On the other hand, my unit is available and will remain available as long as there is interest in it.

One difference is that the USBIRX3 will work with the PS2 codes that are already available for most Universal Remote Controls. So it works well right away. I even told my Harmony 1000 setup that that I had a Playstation3 with DVD and it accepted it and it works fine.

It's been fun developing it anyway and, that is what I'm all about:D

MMuecke

09-04-07, 02:00 PM

After doing extensive testing, I have seen the behavior where the game controller gets assigned as "Controller 2" when a USB dongle is in place during power-up. It seems to me that the PS3 wakes up in a new world each time it powers on and it starts assigning Controller numbers as USB devices show up first then the wireless ones? That is just too weird. If I turn the PS3 on with a wireless controller, I would expect it to assign my controller as #1. I'm still looking into this. If anyone has a grip on controller assignment behavior please speak up.

UxiSXRD

09-04-07, 02:49 PM

I have noticed the Controller 2 deal. Most of the time I don't bother changing it and haven't noticed an issue with games or anything.... Especially if I'm only in movie watching mode, it certainly doesn't make a difference.

I even did my firmware update to 1.92 last night and never turned on a SIXAXIS and used the Harmony 720 the whole time.

zkyoo

09-04-07, 05:22 PM

I guess the important question for me (and I suspect for most PS3 gamers) is whether there is an extra step involved (e.g. controller reassignment) to play a PS3 game when the USB dongle is in place. If not, I shouldn't care whether the controller number is assigned to something other than 1. Thanks.

Greg Leon

09-05-07, 12:25 AM

edgary

09-05-07, 12:48 AM

For those of you who have it working:

I have mine working if I select it from the devices menu. However, I created an activity for the new device but it does not assign main conrtrol to the Nyko.

Anyone know how to create the activity or modify an existing one so that the Nyko is the main playback control (arrows, next/back, play, etc.)?

Yes. Well, I have the 676, but I am guessing they all share the same interface. Go to activities and there is an option to edit (or is it configure?) such activity, and in there you can change that option.

chris0

09-05-07, 04:15 AM

I guess the important question for me...is whether there is an extra step involved...
Not usually, no. But it's pretty easy to reassign the controller. And you can tell what it's assignment is by looking at the LEDs. It's not a big deal.

DanMassie

09-05-07, 01:36 PM

zoro

09-05-07, 02:01 PM

I purchased one nyko from amazon, and own harmony 880, where should I begin to program my harmony?

dagware

09-05-07, 03:30 PM

I purchased one nyko from amazon, and own harmony 880, where should I begin to program my harmony?

Read through the past posts -- you may be able to make use of the codes someone else has uploaded. Please read the posts carefully, because they don't spell it out in a "Nyko to 880 for Idiots" format -- you have to do some thinking on your own. (Didn't mean for that to sound insulting -- just factual.)

If not, you do it by having the 880 learn the commands from the Nyko. Go to the Harmony web site and somewhere on it is a place where you can have the Harmony remote learn the commands of the other remote. It explains how to do it. All it takes is time and patience, because the directional keys aren't easy to learn -- all the other ones are, though. But once you're done, you're done.

-Dan

zoro

09-05-07, 06:49 PM

Read through the past posts -- you may be able to make use of the codes someone else has uploaded. Please read the posts carefully, because they don't spell it out in a "Nyko to 880 for Idiots" format -- you have to do some thinking on your own. (Didn't mean for that to sound insulting -- just factual.)

If not, you do it by having the 880 learn the commands from the Nyko. Go to the Harmony web site and somewhere on it is a place where you can have the Harmony remote learn the commands of the other remote. It explains how to do it. All it takes is time and patience, because the directional keys aren't easy to learn -- all the other ones are, though. But once you're done, you're done.

-Dan

thanks for your kind and courteous advice for this idiot!:rolleyes:

MMuecke

09-06-07, 10:11 AM

Is the ps2 remote a standard sony dvd type remote? I'm asking because my son has a Little Leaps (leapfrog children's learning game) that acts like a DVD remote and uses the sony codes. I'd like to ditch my old DVD player and the only thing that is keeping me from it is this game of his. If the leapfrog game can be set to use the same IR code as the ps2 remote, than this should work as far as I can tell.

Well, it is a little complicated since the PS2 remote sends both PS2 and DVD commands. This is why it can be difficult to learn the arrow keys. However, the USBIRX3 dongle accepts both DVD and PS2 commands.

There are still two other issues:

1) There are several DVD code sets for Sony as far as I know. Does the Little Leaps game use the same one as the PS2 remote? This is easy to tell by trying the PS2 remote with your old DVD player.

2) Assuming you are talking about using a PS3, will the Little Leaps game be compatible with the key functionality? For instance, PAUSE and STOP are toggles of the same "X" key using the PS3. THE USBIRX3 maps both Pause and stop DVD commands to the X key. This may be tricky. It's the same type of problem as with trying to use a universal remote to control the Power On/Off status of a device. It matters what state the device is in since the power key is a toggle, not separate On and Off keys.

Sorry if this is not what you were asking. It was difficult to tell exactly what you are planning to do. You may want to post again with detailed info on just what configuration you plan to use.

dagware

09-06-07, 04:24 PM

thanks for your kind and courteous advice for this idiot!:rolleyes:

Hey, I'm an idiot myself. All I know I learned from reading other idiot's comments. Scary thought, isn't it! :eek:

MMuecke

09-07-07, 11:32 AM

Well, it is a little complicated since the PS2 remote sends both PS2 and DVD commands. This is why it can be difficult to learn the arrow keys. However, the USBIRX3 dongle accepts both DVD and PS2 commands.

There are still two other issues:

1) There are several DVD code sets for Sony as far as I know. Does the Little Leaps game use the same one as the PS2 remote? This is easy to tell by trying the PS2 remote with your old DVD player.

2) Assuming you are talking about using a PS3, will the Little Leaps game be compatible with the key functionality? For instance, PAUSE and STOP are toggles of the same "X" key using the PS3. THE USBIRX3 maps both Pause and stop DVD commands to the X key. This may be tricky. It's the same type of problem as with trying to use a universal remote to control the Power On/Off status of a device. It matters what state the device is in since the power key is a toggle, not separate On and Off keys.

Sorry if this is not what you were asking. It was difficult to tell exactly what you are planning to do. You may want to post again with detailed info on just what configuration you plan to use.

Actually, I meant to say Play and Pause are toggles of the "X" key. Oops.:D

Aetali

09-12-07, 10:44 AM

Just wanted to let you guys know, I was able to select the Nyko bluwave for my Harmony 1000 and did not have to program it myself, the codes from the database work.

AGARG, How did you define the Nyko when doing setup? Did you use Game Console with DVD---->Nyko----->Bluwave? If you used something else would you mind to post it? I picked up my Nyko last night and will be working with setting it up on my 890 tonight. Any help would be apprecaited.

Do your keys work pretty well? Menu? FF Rev etc from the keypad or are they customized keys?

Thanks in advance.

Dixie Flatline

09-12-07, 02:08 PM

AGARG, How did you define the Nyko when doing setup? Did you use Game Console with DVD---->Nyko----->Bluwave? If you used something else would you mind to post it? I picked up my Nyko last night and will be working with setting it up on my 890 tonight. Any help would be apprecaited.

Do your keys work pretty well? Menu? FF Rev etc from the keypad or are they customized keys?

Thanks in advance.

Aetali, I just did this setup last night on my 659, and that's what I did. It's actually Game Console with DVD->Nyko->Blu-Wave, but it's easy to figure out, since the sample model name it gives you when you pick Nyko is, in fact, "Blu-Wave".

By default it was both a little slow, and over-sensitive (almost every press of the direction keys registered twice). The fixes I made were to change Inter-Key and Inter-Device Delay to 0 ms (from the default 500), and most importantly, the repetition speed. Under Troubleshoot->Show me more problems->Device doesn't appear to receive every command correctly->The device responds too much to some commands, I changed the setting from the default 1 to 0. Now it's working perfectly.

Also, as far as the keys go, the remote reproduces every input on the controller except the analog sticks and the PS button, but it doesn't give you anything that's not on the controller. I.e., for anything that you can't do with L1/L2/R1/R2, the face buttons, or the directional pad, you still have to hit Triangle and use the on-screen menu. A little frustrating, certainly, but it's still a big improvement over using the Sixaxis for movie viewing.

nagus69

09-13-07, 05:09 PM

Unfortunately, the Nyko setup doesn't work at all with the Logic3 USB Dongle.

erikk

09-13-07, 05:30 PM

Unfortunately, the Nyko setup doesn't work at all with the Logic3 USB Dongle.

I knew this also, but just out of curiosity, why the unfortunately? There are definitively clean hex codes out for the Logic3 and it does everything the Nyko, so why does it matter that the Nyko setup doesn't work on the Logic3 dongle?

nagus69

09-13-07, 05:50 PM

The problem is that i don't want to add a couple of fake devices, as i can only import one hex code to one existing device and then have to arrange an activity and bind all these fake devices just so i can move around quickly!

I can use the Logic3 just fine, only thing that doesn't work is to surf through the XMB, only step by step and if i browse through videos, mp3 etc this can take ages ;)

erikk

09-13-07, 05:57 PM

I take it you're using a Harmony? I think I heard something about them only taking one hex code per device. Sorry I don't use a harmony so I can't help there.

nagus69

09-14-07, 01:35 AM

Yep Harmony - nice thing but this artificial limitation, which i never thought would bother me, now sucks :)

fst96se

09-14-07, 03:12 PM

Hmmm, I can't get my remote to update. It is the HK TC-30, which is a Harmony remote. For some reason when I click update, it does nothing. I am going to call CS support and see if I can figure out why this thing isn't updating. I REALLY want to be able to control my PS3 tonight!

Jazar

09-15-07, 06:20 PM

Dixie Flatline

09-15-07, 08:22 PM

I have this exact problem but the Nyko remote DOES NOT DO THIS! Only the Harmony 360 remote does. Has anyone found a solution to this problem? It is very annoying having to move up and down before selecting an option in a movie menu.
Yup, I just spotted this too with the 659. It happens within movies as well, at least DVDs. Is this happening to people who learned the commands themselves, or only to those using the Nyko Blu-Wave device available in the Harmony software? I'm wondering if the codes from the website are slightly off.

UPDATE:
OK, it's not the Harmony, and it's not the Nyko remote. It's the dongle. I confirmed that this does happen with the Nyko remote as well. (Jazar, you may want to play with it some more.) I also think I've found the mechanism -- when the dongle "wakes up" it always sends an "Up" command to the console. I can reproduce this very easily by unplugging the dongle and plugging it back into the USB. Every time I plug it back in, the XMB jumps up one space, just like the "Up" button was pressed. I think the dongle goes to sleep after a certain amount of time, and when another command from the remote wakes it up, it sends the "Up" command.

It's conceivable that this is something related to a PS3 firmware update (I've only tried with 1.92 and 1.93). Is there anyone who didn't have this problem before but does now?

Anyway, it's ultimately Nyko's problem. I'm going to try and get Nyko Customer Support to respond on this, and if they don't offer a solution, I'm returning this thing to Amazon.

Jazar

09-15-07, 10:02 PM

I've tried quite a few times and have not been able to reproduce it with the Nyko remote. I'll keep trying though.

It's been doing this for me since as long as I've been using the dongle since July.

Dixie Flatline

09-15-07, 10:51 PM

I've tried quite a few times and have not been able to reproduce it with the Nyko remote. I'll keep trying though.

It's been doing this for me since as long as I've been using the dongle since July.

That's interesting. Does yours do the up-arrow if you unplug and plug it in again?

Also, does the red light inside your dongle go out after a few seconds? I've found that, with either the Harmony or the original, the problem happens almost all the time after the light goes out.

Jazar

09-16-07, 08:47 PM

That's interesting. Does yours do the up-arrow if you unplug and plug it in again?

Also, does the red light inside your dongle go out after a few seconds? I've found that, with either the Harmony or the original, the problem happens almost all the time after the light goes out.

You know what, I tried again and you're right, the nyko remote seems to do the same thing. That sucks. :p

backyardsquirrel

09-17-07, 01:39 AM

Aetali, I just did this setup last night on my 659, and that's what I did. It's actually Game Console with DVD->Nyko->Blu-Wave, but it's easy to figure out, since the sample model name it gives you when you pick Nyko is, in fact, "Blu-Wave".

By default it was both a little slow, and over-sensitive (almost every press of the direction keys registered twice). The fixes I made were to change Inter-Key and Inter-Device Delay to 0 ms (from the default 500), and most importantly, the repetition speed. Under Troubleshoot->Show me more problems->Device doesn't appear to receive every command correctly->The device responds too much to some commands, I changed the setting from the default 1 to 0. Now it's working perfectly.

Also, as far as the keys go, the remote reproduces every input on the controller except the analog sticks and the PS button, but it doesn't give you anything that's not on the controller. I.e., for anything that you can't do with L1/L2/R1/R2, the face buttons, or the directional pad, you still have to hit Triangle and use the on-screen menu. A little frustrating, certainly, but it's still a big improvement over using the Sixaxis for movie viewing.

Just want to say thanks. These helped me out.

jensph

09-17-07, 12:35 PM

jayoldschool

09-17-07, 12:55 PM

Thought I would check in with an update. I am still using Harmony 880/PS2 IR receiver/PS2 to USB adapter setup. Still works perfectly after all the updates. In fact, I just added a new "activity" to my Harmony featuring the PS3, and the controls were mapped automatically - no new learning.

Dixie Flatline

09-17-07, 01:29 PM

I have the Logic3 IR remote and I have the same problem with the 'cursor' moving up first before selecting. It also only happens after a delay (though I didn't realize that at first - I thought my Harmony remote was dying).

Well, crud. That suggests that either it's a PS3 firmware issue, and up to Sony to fix, or that the Logic3 is using the same hardware as the Nyko.

Has anyone seen this problem with the USBIRX3 that MMuecke is selling? (Mike?) Also, is there anyone who can confirm that they are absolutely, positively, not having this problem with their Nyko? That could point at a batch of the BluWave dongles with bad hardware or firmware.

zkyoo

09-17-07, 03:21 PM

Well, crud. That suggests that either it's a PS3 firmware issue, and up to Sony to fix, or that the Logic3 is using the same hardware as the Nyko.

Has anyone seen this problem with the USBIRX3 that MMuecke is selling? (Mike?) Also, is there anyone who can confirm that they are absolutely, positively, not having this problem with their Nyko? That could point at a batch of the BluWave dongles with bad hardware or firmware.

I have MMuecke's dongle. I haven't had too much time with it, but when I had the dongle plugged in to PS3 and started PS3 to play resistance, the cursor in the main menu screen scrolls (forget whether up or down) like mad. I observed in such case the controller is assigned to #2, and reassigning the sixaxis to #1 solves the problem.

Dixie Flatline

09-17-07, 08:15 PM

I have MMuecke's dongle. I haven't had too much time with it, but when I had the dongle plugged in to PS3 and started PS3 to play resistance, the cursor in the main menu screen scrolls (forget whether up or down) like mad. I observed in such case the controller is assigned to #2, and reassigning the sixaxis to #1 solves the problem.
Thanks. That sounds like a slightly different issue, then.

As it is, I just heard back from a gentleman at Nyko who says they haven't seen the problem before, and haven't been able to replicate it yet. He's going to replace my BluWave, and I'm shipping the one I've got to him to investigate. It'll be interesting to see what happens. If you're having the same problem, it's worth emailing customersupport@nyko.com, since they seem to be taking this seriously.

MMuecke

09-18-07, 07:04 PM

I have MMuecke's dongle. I haven't had too much time with it, but when I had the dongle plugged in to PS3 and started PS3 to play resistance, the cursor in the main menu screen scrolls (forget whether up or down) like mad. I observed in such case the controller is assigned to #2, and reassigning the sixaxis to #1 solves the problem.

I haven't heard any negative feedback on the firmware so far. But if this a real issue, I'd like to hear more about it. Please send me your feedback via the web site. sales are brisk. I'd certainly want to address any firmware issue ASAP.

Thanks

migs_inc

09-19-07, 04:36 PM

I did some searching for the Nyko as I am trying to get down to one remote only (Harmony 890). For those interested, Amazon and Buy.com were sold out, but Remote Shoppe has these for <22 shipped. Go to

http://shop.remoteshoppe.com/product.sc?productId=5&categoryId=14

Ordered it today and it's already shipped - pretty cool.

jkcheng122

09-19-07, 04:50 PM

Dixie Flatline

09-19-07, 04:56 PM

newgg sells the remote too i think.

for those who are returning the nyko due to the up arrow problem, i'm having it too, but i dont see how it can bother you guys so much you're willing to have 2 remotes (sony ps3 bluetooth remote with no backlight and universal remote) instead of one single universal remote that has a couple of inconveniences.

There are several alternatives besides the Sony Bluetooth remote:

1) Get Nyko to fix the problem
2) Get MMuecke's USBIRX3 dongle
3) Buy a PS2 remote w/dongle and use a PS2-to-USB adapter

All of these offer the possibility of a universal remote working without the up-arrow glitch, which is why we're trying to find a better solution.

erikk

09-19-07, 05:09 PM

MMuecke

09-20-07, 11:47 AM

I am using the Logic3 dongle and have the same up problem when the USB loses power or whatever it is that it does. So it's not just Nyko. I'd be very interested and surprised if the USBIRX3 didn't exhibit the same quirk.

I don't have a Logic3 dongle to test with but I can reproduce this problem with the NYKO easily. However, after extensive testing, I have determined that the USBIRX3 does not exhibit this same behavior. The original ugly solution using the PS2 adapter does not seem to have this problem either.

Mike

erikk

09-20-07, 11:53 AM

do you have clean hex codes for the USBIRX3? Something that can be input directly into a phillips pronto or Universal Remote?

MMuecke

09-20-07, 12:03 PM

do you have clean hex codes for the USBIRX3? Something that can be input directly into a phillips pronto or Universal Remote?

The USBIRX3 uses the same exact hex codes as the PS2. I can supply an excel file with the codes if needed.

zoro

09-20-07, 12:59 PM

I am not happy with bluewave as half of controls on my harmony dont work, esp, left, right etc. how to fix

chris0

09-20-07, 03:01 PM

I am not happy with bluewave as half of controls on my harmony dont work, esp, left, right etc. how to fix
these three things worked for me...
1. Make sure everything is learned as Analyzed, not Raw.
2. In order to do that I held down the key for about 1 second ("one one-thousand")
3. Set the speed to 0

also, the profile should be in the database. are you trying to teach the harmony yourself or did you get the codes from the database?

Dixie Flatline

09-20-07, 03:14 PM

I am not happy with bluewave as half of controls on my harmony dont work, esp, left, right etc. how to fix

Also, have you done "Customize Buttons" for the activity to make sure that the BluWave functions are actually assigned to the Harmony buttons?

PLincoln

09-20-07, 03:42 PM

If people actually bothered to skim through some of the posts, there are step by step directions on how to get the bluewave to work correctly.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11480242&postcount=392

chris0

09-20-07, 04:13 PM

If people actually bothered to skim through some of the posts...

I copied my 3 steps from the post I made back on page 11. I, too, wish people would search first, but it's not always that easy.

PLincoln

09-20-07, 06:32 PM

I copied my 3 steps from the post I made back on page 11. I, too, wish people would search first, but it's not always that easy.

It has nothing to do with being easy and everything to do with doing a little leg work. This thread must have the answer posted at least 10 times to various degrees. Rather than ask the same question and post the same answer over and over, it would be easier to just read for a few moments. Threads like this would be a lot less cluttered if people did just that.

Everyone here is more than happy to help, myself included, that's why we post on forums, but it wouldn't hurt to put forth a little bit of effort.

SAC-CA-HT

09-24-07, 06:27 PM

edgary

09-24-07, 06:55 PM

Well...wish I would've caught up to this thread before buying it with the small issue it is having with the arrow. I bought my Nyko and Harmony 1000 today so I'll be trying this out in a week or so. I've bookmarked all the how-to post, but I'm sure I'll be having questions as I'm somewhat of a noob in the whole setup of these things. Hopefully my Nyko will be an updated unit so it doesn't have the issues you all speak of. I'm not holding my breath tho. But I'm not in the XMB all that much anyway so I don't think it'll be much of an issue for me. I just want to be able to push play, stop, pause, fast forward, etc. on my BD movies.

That's a very interesting point. I know I wouldn't use (or, at least, wouldn't mind using with such issue) the remote control if it's not for movie playback, thus using the Sixaxxis controller in the XMB when playing games. At least that's how I envision it now that I don't have the Nyko (or any other such adapter) yet, but it certainly brings some food for thought.

Dixie Flatline

09-24-07, 08:44 PM

That's a very interesting point. I know I wouldn't use (or, at least, wouldn't mind using with such issue) the remote control if it's not for movie playback, thus using the Sixaxxis controller in the XMB when playing games. At least that's how I envision it now that I don't have the Nyko (or any other such adapter) yet, but it certainly brings some food for thought.
The bug can still cause aggravation while in movie playback as well; for instance, if you're in the onscreen playback menu and you delay before hitting X to select something, it can jump up to the item above and do that instead. I first started noticing the problem while I was going through some text screens in the special features of a DVD -- the screens had the usual <BACK -- MENU -- NEXT> buttons at the bottom, and if I stopped to read the text and then hit Enter while the highlight was on NEXT, then it would select MENU instead and take me back up a level instead of the next screen. It's little things like that which get annoying.

MMuecke

09-25-07, 05:33 AM

Dixie Flatline

09-25-07, 11:12 AM

Mike, at this point I probably would go for the USBIRX3. At the time I picked up the Nyko, it was half the price of the USBIRX3 (before you dropped your price, or before I noticed you had, anyway), with free shipping from Amazon, and I wasn't aware of the up-arrow bug. If the replacement unit that Nyko is sending me still has the problem, then I imagine I'll just return that one to Amazon and order a USBIRX3 from you.

edgary

09-25-07, 11:47 AM

The bug can still cause aggravation while in movie playback as well; for instance, if you're in the onscreen playback menu and you delay before hitting X to select something, it can jump up to the item above and do that instead. I first started noticing the problem while I was going through some text screens in the special features of a DVD -- the screens had the usual <BACK -- MENU -- NEXT> buttons at the bottom, and if I stopped to read the text and then hit Enter while the highlight was on NEXT, then it would select MENU instead and take me back up a level instead of the next screen. It's little things like that which get annoying.

I see. That changes the perspective.

So how much is the USBIRX3?

Dixie Flatline

09-25-07, 12:10 PM

I see. That changes the perspective.

So how much is the USBIRX3?

Well, so as not to run afoul of the AVSForum rules on posting prices, I'll merely point out that the USBIRX3 is available from Schmartz.com (http://www.schmartz.com), and since it's the only product Mike sells at the moment, it's pretty easy to find.

edgary

09-25-07, 12:26 PM

Well, so as not to run afoul of the AVSForum rules on posting prices, I'll merely point out that the USBIRX3 is available from Schmartz.com (http://www.schmartz.com), and since it's the only product Mike sells at the moment, it's pretty easy to find.

Fair enough... thank you!

SAC-CA-HT

09-25-07, 01:56 PM

So why buy the Nyko anyway? The USBIRX3 does not have this or any other problem. The original version did have a remotely similar problem (pun) with the latest PS3 firmware update but, even that only showed up at power on instead of all the time like the Nyko. That was fixed the first day it showed up anyway. I am here to personally make sure the USBIRX3 is tweaked for effort free operation. I listen to customer feedback and keep on top of what is going on with the community on a daily basis.

Unlike the Nyko, the USBIRX3 has been tweaked to automatically make sure the wireless controller is assigned as controller #1 and it works right away with standard PS2 IR commands that are included with your universal remote.

Besides, if you wanted yet another remote cluttering up your easy chair, why not just buy the Sony PS3 wireless version? The whole idea is to be able to use a single universal remote for everything. IMHO, Nyko doesn't have a clue as to what you want in a solution and, they don't seem to be available to communicate here and elsewhere with the very people that are looking for a solution.

Well, based on the fact that he is HERE helping us resolve the issues and offering a product HE put his time and effort into, I cancelled my Nyko order and JUST ordered one of his USBIRX3 adaptors. I believe in helping the people who do a little bit of fun stuff on the side to help the community be it Home Theater or Auto(the Audi community in my case). Looking forward to pairing up my Harmony 1000 to this and getting rid of my remotes. Now to get the codes for my Pio Elite 92 :rolleyes:

Question tho...does this USB adapter need to be pulled out if I'm going to play games on the PS3? Or do I leave it in and fire up the remote to play? Thx

UxiSXRD

09-25-07, 02:22 PM

If I didn't already have a Nyko, I'd definitely be consider the USBIRX3...

The Nyko's quirks have largely been irrelevent to me (the only game the controller # issue seems to have any effect on for me is Heavenly Sword) and I do everything else with no lagor issue at all. My 720 has an easier time with the PS3 through the Nyko than with the 360, which often seems to ignore the on/off commands particularly when switching to or from an HDDVD/360 activity, in particular.

dagware

09-25-07, 03:47 PM

SAC-CA-HT

09-25-07, 04:48 PM

This is the first I've heard of this product. I guess I haven't been reading this thread as closely as I thought. Thanks for pointing it out!

-Dan

No problemo...seems like the way to go. And it's ONLY $6 more than ordering the Nyko remote from Newegg. Just make sure you choose USPS! :)

edgary

09-25-07, 06:50 PM

sales are brisk. I'd certainly want to address any firmware issue ASAP.

I just wanted to say that I'm happy sales are picking up for you. I'm looking into this solution myself and you will probably be hearing from me soon.

Keep up the good work!

MMuecke

09-26-07, 09:31 AM

Well, based on the fact that he is HERE helping us resolve the issues and offering a product HE put his time and effort into, I cancelled my Nyko order and JUST ordered one of his USBIRX3 adaptors. I believe in helping the people who do a little bit of fun stuff on the side to help the community be it Home Theater or Auto(the Audi community in my case). Looking forward to pairing up my Harmony 1000 to this and getting rid of my remotes. Now to get the codes for my Pio Elite 92 :rolleyes:

Question tho...does this USB adapter need to be pulled out if I'm going to play games on the PS3? Or do I leave it in and fire up the remote to play? Thx

The current shipping version of the USBIRX3 is tuned so that if you turn on the PS3 with the wireless controller, it will always end up as controller #2 and the wireless controller will be #1 automatically. If you turn on the PS3 with the front panel, the USBIRX3 will be set as #1 since no wireless controllers are present. If you don't play games that require controller #1 to start, you probably wouldn't notice this behavior.

I suspect that Sony will eventually fix their firmware so that the controller that turns on the PS3 is always #1. But for now, the USB controllers are enumerated first for some reason.

MMuecke

09-26-07, 09:50 AM

erikk

09-26-07, 11:20 AM

Now is probably a good time to push on them for this:

 Sony markets PS3 as Blu-ray player
Ahead of the holiday shopping season, Sony is launching a campaign touting the PlayStation 3 as a Blu-ray player, in hopes of ramping up console sales as well as high-definition disc sales. "The PS3 is first and foremost a video games machine but we want to say -- by the way, it's a great Blu-ray player as well," said Kaz Hirai, president of the games unit. Financial Times (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/723678f8-67af-11dc-8906-0000779fd2ac,Authorised=false.html?_i_location=http%3A%2F%2F www.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2F723678f8-67af-11dc-8906-0000779fd2ac.html) (subscription required) (9/20)

If they're pushing it as more of a player vs video game console then it needs to be able to play nice in a home theater. Maybe couch the suggestions to Sony as "well I was thinking of buying it as my primary blu-ray player but since I can't integrate it into my IR home theater control system it just doesn't make sense".

edgary

09-26-07, 12:37 PM

Thanks for the kind words of support.

We are close to having a good solution now. I would like to encourage everyone to make sure the Sony PS3 team knows that we really need the ability to turn on the PS3 via a USB controller. It should just involve a PS3 firmware change. Make some noise!

As soon as that is changed, I can tweak the USBIRX3 to add power control.

Sony may want to try to force the market to use their RF though. In that case, they won't want to make this available unless we manage to make a big stink about it.

If this were to happen: meaning, Sony updates the firmware to include power up from USB, and you were to tune the USBIRX3 accordingly, is there a way to update the units that have already been delivered? Some sort of a firmware upgrade as well?

MMuecke

09-27-07, 11:13 AM

If this were to happen: meaning, Sony updates the firmware to include power up from USB, and you were to tune the USBIRX3 accordingly, is there a way to update the units that have already been delivered? Some sort of a firmware upgrade as well?

Yes, the current USBIRX3 can be flashed with new firmware here at my lab.

I can upgrade any USBIRX3 to the latest version for the cost of shipping of your choice. This is possible since shipping already includes a small handling fee per order. You would have to send your USBIRX3 back to me for processing.

I could also make a version that is field programmable via the internet. The flash utility would probably have to run on a PC since I don't know much about what it takes to create a PS3 application. However, making them field programmable would seriously increase the amount of support required though. So, I don't really think this feature is compatible with a device in this price range. It could make sense to team up with AV installers/integrators to allow them to flash them locally. I can probably make a programmer available to them for about $100.

MMuecke

09-27-07, 11:38 AM

BTW, since setting up a home theater system is so complex and there are so many different devices and options, It really makes sense for local integrators to be the place to go for anyone wanting to use a universal remote.

The Logitech market model sort of works but, for many people, it is still a real pain to setup their system.

I think local Home Theater stores should be more involved in providing expertise for free or at a very low cost to consumers. In return, the customers would be more likely to purchase a big ticket item there. IMHO, the remote controls out there don't give you much for the high $$$. I have been toying with the idea of a remote that can be seriously customized by the integrator including a GUI allowing true custom key layouts. Nice try Logitech but, the Harmony 1000 doesn't allow for much flexibility. Why should each customer have to learn all of the arcane stuff required to get a system working flawlessly? That's a lot of effort to learn something that you will never need again or reuse elsewhere. Just my opinion. Maybe I need a Blog.

SAC-CA-HT

09-28-07, 05:33 PM

MMuecke

09-29-07, 02:39 PM

Got my USBIRX3 yesterday! Thanks Mike...now to wait for my Harmony 1000 that you just bashed! ;) None of the other remotes had a style I liked and I was going to go for the 880 but the wife dispised the last one we had. Hopefully this 1000 leaves a better impression. I'm easy to please...the wife, that's another story.

Well I didn't mean to bash the Harmony 1000. I love my Harmony 1000. It still is the best there is IMHO. I just don't understand why it costs so much when a Palm device is at least half of that and has a better GUI. There are several remote control apps that run well on the PALM, let you fully customize your screens and buttons, allow multiple levels of macros, and allow complete customizations of the IR commands. However, I think these are a bit complex for the mainstream consumer to program. That's why I say the integrators should step in and provide help doing this as a service to their local community and as a way to increase their customer base. You can't really get much useful guidance from the salespeople at the package stores. And setting up a flawless home theater on a single remote is a formidable challenge that requires research and planning. In most cases it still doesn't quite work as simple as you would like in the end. It should work like a toaster or washing machine so that spouses, parents, and kids can use it without getting it all out of sync.

For the PS3, I'd say that the Harmony 1000 and the USBIRX3 is the best and most trouble free combination for now. We just need to get Sony to support power On via USB.

Dixie Flatline

09-29-07, 06:23 PM

We just need to get Sony to support power On via USB.

I have a hunch that this is easier said than done. I notice that, despite the fact that PS3 owners would obviously like to be able to charge their controllers when the console is in standby, Sony hasn't done it yet. This is, at bottom, the same issue: having the USB ports active while the console is in standby mode. (Actually, the controller charging is a simpler issue, since that only requires power from the USB port, not data exchange.)

That makes me suspect that the PS3 hardware itself is not capable of having the USB ports active while in standby. If that's the case, then a firmware update wouldn't be able to enable power-on via USB; only a hypothetical future hardware revision would be able to support it.

Of course, I'd love to be wrong, but the lack of controller charging in standby seems ominous to me.

wwyjoe

09-29-07, 09:31 PM

erikk

09-29-07, 10:15 PM

If you get the right codes for the nyko for your universal remote (or use the nyko remote) there are no lag issues. The codes you have for the nyko must not be clean ones (or properly configured on the Harmony). I would assume that the USBIRX3 is the same way.

MMuecke

09-30-07, 09:46 AM

how's XMB and blu-ray navigation with the USBIRX3? Is it as smooth as the sony's original bluetooth PS3 remote, or facing the same direction key lag issues as the nyko? i have a harmony 880 and with the nyko USB dongle, noticed that navigation gets slowed by abt 1-2 sec when scrolling in XMB or blu-ray

Since the USBIRX3 uses the PS2 codes that are built into most remotes, this isn't really an issue. I also have tuned the repeat rate in the USBIRX3 firmware itself to match the PS3 so the Harmony 1000 and others just zoom. Having said that, I would suspect that you can adjust the update rate in your remote to make this work better with the NYKO.

MMuecke

09-30-07, 09:57 AM

I have a hunch that this is easier said than done. I notice that, despite the fact that PS3 owners would obviously like to be able to charge their controllers when the console is in standby, Sony hasn't done it yet. This is, at bottom, the same issue: having the USB ports active while the console is in standby mode. (Actually, the controller charging is a simpler issue, since that only requires power from the USB port, not data exchange.)

That makes me suspect that the PS3 hardware itself is not capable of having the USB ports active while in standby. If that's the case, then a firmware update wouldn't be able to enable power-on via USB; only a hypothetical future hardware revision would be able to support it.

Of course, I'd love to be wrong, but the lack of controller charging in standby seems ominous to me.

That's a very good point. Also, if (big if) they follow the USB spec, the controllers are allowed to draw only 500 microAmps during standby. That would be a tiny trickle charge but it would help keep them topped off. For the USBIRX3, that is more than enough to keep the micro and the IR sensor going so that a power code would be able to be detected in suspend.

Truckondo

09-30-07, 11:32 PM

Thanks for the kind words of support.

We are close to having a good solution now. I would like to encourage everyone to make sure the Sony PS3 team knows that we really need the ability to turn on the PS3 via a USB controller. It should just involve a PS3 firmware change. Make some noise!

As soon as that is changed, I can tweak the USBIRX3 to add power control.

Sony may want to try to force the market to use their RF though. In that case, they won't want to make this available unless we manage to make a big stink about it.

Anyone know how to contact them? I have emailed support a couple of times and I get the typical canned response.

migs_inc

10-01-07, 01:02 PM

heberjoe

10-01-07, 01:48 PM

Ever since installing the Nyko BluRay USB dongle, the background color of the PS3 X-Bar area is yellow. Actually, I installed the USB dongle at the same time I updated to the latest firmware, so I am not sure which of these caused this. Occasionally it goes to black.

Otherwise, things work fine. For example, games and BluRay or DVD playback are in their full color mode. I thought a cable might be loose, but it if was, I assume the color issue would translate into disc and game playback as well.

Is this yellow background just a new color, a problem, or should I just enjoy my new lemon-accented PS3 screen?
The color is a PS3 menu/background thing. The color change is based on the time of day and time of year. It's a "feature". ;) Here is an explanation of when/how the colors change: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMB

I received my USBIRX3 last week. So far it works great with my harmony 720. I just need to remember to push the "play" button instead of the "ok" button to select something. I suppose I could swap the buttons on the harmony, but it works well as it is.

Dixie Flatline

10-01-07, 07:29 PM

As it is, I just heard back from a gentleman at Nyko who says they haven't seen the problem before, and haven't been able to replicate it yet. He's going to replace my BluWave, and I'm shipping the one I've got to him to investigate. It'll be interesting to see what happens. If you're having the same problem, it's worth emailing customersupport@nyko.com, since they seem to be taking this seriously.

To follow up on my previous post: I haven't heard a word from Nyko since I sent them my BluWave, but I just got a replacement from them in the mail today, and it has exactly the same problem. So it's going back to Amazon, and I just placed an order for the USBIRX3.

MMuecke

10-02-07, 09:10 AM

The color is a PS3 menu/background thing. The color change is based on the time of day and time of year. It's a "feature". ;) Here is an explanation of when/how the colors change: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMB

I received my USBIRX3 last week. So far it works great with my harmony 720. I just need to remember to push the "play" button instead of the "ok" button to select something. I suppose I could swap the buttons on the harmony, but it works well as it is.

That sounds like the harmony 720 setup has these keys swapped. I use a stock Sony PS2 remote for development and test of the USBIRX3 and all of the relevant keys work great. I'm happy to hear you like the USBIRX3.

I do wish everyone would take the time to contact me about any possible issues with the USBIRX3 through the Schmartz.com website. My goal is to make sure the device works perfect. :cool: I can usually make a firmware change overnight if there is an actual problem. at this point I am not aware of any problems at all. Well except the power on thing but, Sony won't give me any power on the USB ports... sigh.

Have fun!

Mike

MMuecke

10-02-07, 09:41 AM

To follow up on my previous post: I haven't heard a word from Nyko since I sent them my BluWave, but I just got a replacement from them in the mail today, and it has exactly the same problem. So it's going back to Amazon, and I just placed an order for the USBIRX3.

Thanks for the order!

I find it odd that they say they can't seem to replicate the problem. You can see it even just on the XMB. It took me oh, about 10 seconds to replicate it in my lab. The potential problem is common to all devices including the Logic3 by the way.

I had to tweak my the firmware early on to deal with it in the USBIRX3. Thankfully, it only manifested itself at power-on and wasn't really noticeable. It was obvious what the problem was when I looked at the raw USB packets. It seems to be caused by weird behavior on the part of the PS3. I didn't see the same issue when testing with a PC as a standard game controller.

Depending on what chip they are using, they (NYKO and Logic3) may have trouble fixing the problem since it is down in the lowest hardware layer of USB the transaction. The full explanation is well beyond the scope of this thread though.

migs_inc

10-02-07, 09:45 AM

Dixie Flatline

10-02-07, 10:42 AM

Thanks for the order!

I find it odd that they say they can't seem to replicate the problem. You can see it even just on the XMB. It took me oh, about 10 seconds to replicate it in my lab. The potential problem is common to all devices including the Logic3 by the way.

I had to tweak my the firmware early on to deal with it in the USBIRX3. Thankfully, it only manifested itself at power-on and wasn't really noticeable. It was obvious what the problem was when I looked at the raw USB packets. It seems to be caused by weird behavior on the part of the PS3. I didn't see the same issue when testing with a PC as a standard game controller.

Depending on what chip they are using, they (NYKO and Logic3) may have trouble fixing the problem since it is down in the lowest hardware layer of USB the transaction. The full explanation is well beyond the scope of this thread though.

Thanks for the info! I emailed Nyko to ask if they'd found anything out, but I don't really expect them to explain to a customer why their product isn't working properly. ;) I've been wondering if it's a behavior that only happens with some PS3 units, rather than specific faulty Blu-Wave units, and it sounds like that's the issue. If the PS3s they use for test and development don't happen to belong to the batch that exhibits the problem, that might explain why they hadn't seen it before or weren't able to reproduce it.

It sounds like something that might be fixable by Sony in firmware, but if the problem only manifests when using third-party devices that compete with their own Bluetooth remote, I don't imagine it would be a top priority for them...

heberjoe

10-02-07, 05:11 PM

That sounds like the harmony 720 setup has these keys swapped. I use a stock Sony PS2 remote for development and test of the USBIRX3 and all of the relevant keys work great. I'm happy to hear you like the USBIRX3.

I do wish everyone would take the time to contact me about any possible issues with the USBIRX3 through the Schmartz.com website.
It's not an issue with me. If I want to swap the buttons, I can do it on the harmony. No big deal. Everything works great.

scolumbo

10-02-07, 07:52 PM

erikk

10-02-07, 09:30 PM

Assuming they use the same codes as the Logic3 remote (and I believe the logic3 uses the PS2 codes which I believe is what the USBIRX3 uses), the hex codes are (edit: funny freudian slip, watching poker on TV and typed cards instead of codes):

84 - Up arrow:

0000 0065 0000 0015 0060 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0030 01de

86 - Down arrow:

0000 0065 0000 0015 0060 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0030 01de

87 - Left arrow:

0000 0065 0000 0015 0060 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0030 01de

85 - Right arrow:

0000 0065 0000 0015 0060 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0030 01de

11 - Quit to XMB Home Screen / Stop / Back (circle):

0000 0065 0000 0015 0060 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 01c6

26 - Menu (square):

0000 0065 0000 0015 0060 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 01c6

40 - On-screen Playback Information/Display (select):

0000 0065 0000 0015 0060 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 01c6

48 - Previous chapter/track (L1):

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49 - Next chapter/track (R1):

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50 - Play / pause (start):

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51 - Rewind (L2):

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52 - Forward (R2):

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56 - Play / Pause / Select (X):

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84 - Display Control Panel / Options (triangle):

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The latest Complete Control Suite allows hex input in the universal browser.

Dixie Flatline

10-02-07, 09:32 PM

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I received my USBIRX3 today but I don't have the ps2 codes. The codes don't exist at RemoteCentral or anywhere else I can find in the m5 format that is needed for my mx-500 using the IR Clone.

Do I need to buy a PS2 remote to learn the codes to the mx-500, and if so, will any PS2 remote work? Thanks for any help.
I'm a Harmony guy myself, but I notice that there's a utility at RemoteCentral under the MX-500 section called CCF2MX that converts Philips Pronto codes to IRClone format for the MX-500. Couldn't you download the Pronto codes for the PS2 from RemoteCentral and convert them?

If you get the Pronto codes, or wind up buying a PS2 remote, it needs to be the official Sony remote. I believe third-party remotes have their own set of IR codes that match their included receiver, so the USBIRX3 won't understand them.

Incidentally, Mike M., does the USBIRX3 provide any button functions that aren't on the controller itself? (E.g., a Subtitle button, an Audio button, etc., so those functions don't have to be selected from the on-screen menu.) It's been too long since I sold my old PS2 remote (had I but known...), so I don't recall what buttons were included on the remote.

scolumbo

10-03-07, 07:08 AM

I've used the CCF2MX utility in the past. I'll try and see if I can convert erikk's codes posted above or the Pronto codes in RemoteCentral.

The latest Complete Control Suite allows hex input in the universal browser.

What is the Complete Control Suite?

MMuecke

10-03-07, 09:00 AM

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I received my USBIRX3 today but I don't have the ps2 codes. The codes don't exist at RemoteCentral or anywhere else I can find in the m5 format that is needed for my mx-500 using the IR Clone.

Do I need to buy a PS2 remote to learn the codes to the mx-500, and if so, will any PS2 remote work? Thanks for any help.

The remote I use for development and test is the official Sony version available at most game stores for $10.

As far as codes go, you should be able to tell your remote that you are controlling a PS2 with DVD. I was assuming that most universal remote controls already support the PS2. The Harmony family does. Is that not the case for others?

Also, you may have fun teaching the arrow buttons. The remote sends both DVD and game codes back to back for these keys. Early on, most of the posts were related to this issue.

dagware

10-03-07, 09:20 AM

Also, you may have fun teaching the arrow buttons.

I'm not sure I'd use the term "fun"... :p Or to quote from The Princess Bride, "I do not think that word means what you think it means." :rolleyes:

-Dan

erikk

10-03-07, 11:12 AM

The remote I use for development and test is the official Sony version available at most game stores for $10.

As far as codes go, you should be able to tell your remote that you are controlling a PS2 with DVD. I was assuming that most universal remote controls already support the PS2. The Harmony family does. Is that not the case for others?

Also, you may have fun teaching the arrow buttons. The remote sends both DVD and game codes back to back for these keys. Early on, most of the posts were related to this issue.

MMuecke the codes posted above by me are clean codes for the PS2 remote. They don't send both DVD and game codes at the same time (not sure which they use). They don't have the problems with the arrow buttons that plagued everyone that tried to learn them manually (no undesired multiple movements; a single tap moves one space, holding them moves fast) .

Other universal remotes may or may not have a pre-programmed code library that includes that particular device. I'm not sure on the Universal Remote Control (URC) code library since I never tried that, already having the clean codes mentioned above in hand. Regardless of whether the code library has clean codes in it these are known good.

erikk

10-03-07, 11:18 AM

What is the Complete Control Suite?

It's the URC software program you use to program their remotes. I just looked and it seem that the MX-500 is not part of it and has its own stand-alone editor (the CCS looks like it only covers the MX-850, MX-900, MX-950, TX-1000, MX-3000 and MSC-400). Since they incorporated Hex editing in the CCS I'd be surprised if they didn't add it to the MX-500 editor but it is an older model so maybe they didn't. The CCF2MX utility should take care of it for you but if not send me your email and I'll see if I can't convert it to a URC file for you (I have the MX-950, not sure the files are the same tho).

MMuecke

10-03-07, 11:21 AM

Assuming they use the same codes as the Logic3 remote (and I believe the logic3 uses the PS2 codes which I believe is what the USBIRX3 uses), the hex codes are (edit: funny freudian slip, watching poker on TV and typed cards instead of codes):

The latest Complete Control Suite allows hex input in the universal browser.

The USBIRX3 does indeed use PS2 compatible codes. From the looks of the codes you provided for the Logic3, they absolutely do not correspond at all. Well, they do seem to use the Sony IR format but not the same actual codes.

I have attached a PDF file containing all of the PS2 codes supported by the USBIRX3. To help everyone understand how they relate to pronto codes, I recommend Infra Red Explained (http://www.hifi-remote.com/infrared/IR-PWM.shtml) by Barry Gordon.

MMuecke

10-03-07, 11:49 AM

MMuecke the codes posted above by me are clean codes for the PS2 remote. They don't send both DVD and game codes at the same time (not sure which they use). They don't have the problems with the arrow buttons that plagued everyone that tried to learn them manually (no undesired multiple movements; a single tap moves one space, holding them moves fast) .

Other universal remotes may or may not have a pre-programmed code library that includes that particular device. I'm not sure on the Universal Remote Control (URC) code library since I never tried that, already having the clean codes mentioned above in hand. Regardless of whether the code library has clean codes in it these are known good.

erikk, I was under the impression that the codes you provided were actually for the Logic3. Are they truly PS2 codes? They don't seem to match as far as I can tell. But then again, I am new to the Pronto format.

erikk

10-03-07, 11:55 AM

erikk

10-03-07, 11:56 AM

erikk, I was under the impression that the codes you provided were actually for the Logic3. Are they truly PS2 codes? They don't seem to match as far as I can tell. But then again, I am new to the Pronto format.

The codes are for the Logic3 but to my understanding it uses the straight Sony codes. Forgive me for knowing just enough to be dangerous but not enough to fully understand. I can only point to where I read these things and hope maybe the more learned people there make more sense.

MMuecke

10-03-07, 02:21 PM

Some of this is above my head but check this thread: http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/mboard/rc-discrete/thread.cgi?4119

To my understanding they are using Sony Device Code 26.218 for the arrow keys and Device 26.73 for the DVD keys.

I'm not sure how you get the device number values.

The actual device codes are:

Device HEX Decimal
------------------------------------------
DVD 0x093A 2362
Game 0x1756 5974

After going to the link you recommended, I'm guessing there is some other way to represent the Sony device number. But, if you look at the codes you provided, the arrows are on device 5974 and the DVD is 2362. Now I'm really curious how that can be turned into 26.218 and 26.73 respectively. They are related in some strange way by a combination of swapping digits and shifting bits in the middle. Somebody please enlighten me.

MMuecke

10-03-07, 02:27 PM

Eureka! After studying the codes for the Logic3, I have determined that the Logic3 uses a different subset of the PS2 codes and also a slightly different mapping to the game controller buttons. I have a consulting gig I have to go to so I don't have time to convert the USBIRX3 Codes to ProntoHex. However, regardless of how anyone wants to interpret the device number, if you send the code bits exactly as described in the PDF supplied earlier, it will work fine.

MMuecke

10-03-07, 02:35 PM

I'm a Harmony guy myself, but I notice that there's a utility at RemoteCentral under the MX-500 section called CCF2MX that converts Philips Pronto codes to IRClone format for the MX-500. Couldn't you download the Pronto codes for the PS2 from RemoteCentral and convert them?

If you get the Pronto codes, or wind up buying a PS2 remote, it needs to be the official Sony remote. I believe third-party remotes have their own set of IR codes that match their included receiver, so the USBIRX3 won't understand them.

Incidentally, Mike M., does the USBIRX3 provide any button functions that aren't on the controller itself? (E.g., a Subtitle button, an Audio button, etc., so those functions don't have to be selected from the on-screen menu.) It's been too long since I sold my old PS2 remote (had I but known...), so I don't recall what buttons were included on the remote.

See the PDF file in an earlier post for the PS2 remote key to game button mapping. Alas, the USBIRX3 can only do what the controller can do since it is emulating the game controller. Some of the mapping I did does make some of the extra buttons on the remote seem to function however. For instance if you hit PAUSE during playback it will pause but it is really just mapped to the X button.