erikk, I was under the impression that the codes you provided were actually for the Logic3. Are they truly PS2 codes? They don't seem to match as far as I can tell. But then again, I am new to the Pronto format.

Thanks for the USBIRX3. I just got it and it seems to work great.

I have attached an Excel spreadsheet (in process) with all the PS2 IR Remote codes in Pronto format. I converted and cleaned them up from a .ccf file on RemoteCentral. Looking at your IR codes, it seems I may have a problem with the Subtitle key mapping (2 possibilities).

Anyway, this spreadsheet may help you understand the relationship between the various key codes, device codes, hex conversions, etc. Maybe it will even give you some ideas for enhancing the USBIRX3 if Sony adds functionality to the PS3.

Update 10/04/2007

I cleaned up the Excel workbook some and eliminated the bad "subtitle" key code.

Note: Sony DVDs (newer) and the PS2 all use a 20 bit IR code. There are various ways to represent this code. The USBIRX3 codes are based on a bit map of 4.4.4.8 (in hexidecimal). Most Pronto related representations of the 20 bits are mapped as 13.7. 8.5.7, or 5.3.5.7 (in decimal) where the first 13 bits are the device code and the last 7 bits are the function code.

MMuecke i tried to order a USBIRX3 from your site but when i got to the shipping page all the options were greyed out. I am in toronto canada. i send an email on the online contact form but never heard back. please let me know what i need to do to get one. thanks.

Excellent work on the IR code spreadsheet! I especially like the automated calculations on the second page. Thanks to BellevueJohn and all who contributed.

For simplicity sake, I have attached a PDF with just the USBIRX3 codes. I have fully verified that these codes are clean and modified the last bit time to a constant value so as to keep things as simple as possible.

Hopefully, most people should be able to select a built-in PS2 or Sony DVD code set. But if not, you can use these pronto codes. For anyone who is forced to manually enter them, please note that you really only need the DVD codes section. Also note that only seven fields are changing (7-19 odd). That means you can enter all of it once and then just modify a few fields after that.

MMuecke i tried to order a USBIRX3 from your site but when i got to the shipping page all the options were greyed out. I am in toronto canada. i send an email on the online contact form but never heard back. please let me know what i need to do to get one. thanks.

The (admittedly lame) shopping cart calculates shipping costs to destinations within the continental US only. For any other destination, please enter our address as the shipping address at:

Schmartz.com
2307 Valerian Trl
Round Rock, TX 78665

Please put your address in the billing address field. For Canada, you must select at least UPS Next Day Air for shipping. For the UK, you must select UPS Next Day Air AM. Note: You must select the right shipping method so as to cover the shipping cost. Your order will actually be sent via FedEx Economy.

I don't have a way to ship outside the US at a reasonable cost. I'm looking into it, but for now, it's very expensive. Even though it's expensive, I am actually losing a few $$$ on international shipping. So, I am motivated to figure out a better way. I like the idea of shipping outside the US though.:D

how about stick it in a bubble envelope and air mail it? cost would be about $5. you can use global express for faster shipping and tracking and that would run around $10

also... my billing address is different than my shipping address. if i enter your address is the shipping address, how do i specify my actual shipping address?

never mind... for $21 for shipping i'll pass. thanks though.

how about stick it in a bubble envelope and air mail it? cost would be about $5. you can use global express for faster shipping and tracking and that would run around $10

I'm not sure where you got your rate information. I wish it was that cheap to send global express.

Actually, global express is around $44 and Priority mail is $9. It looks like I can just mail it to you and if there are any duties, they will collect them on your end.

And I do use the bubble mailers...

also... my billing address is different than my shipping address. if i enter your address is the shipping address, how do i specify my actual shipping address?

never mind... for $21 for shipping i'll pass. thanks though.

In that case, just put your mailing address under "special instructions" when you check out. I've sold several units to Canada already.

Hey MMuecke. I appreciate all the effort you've gone to make the device and provide service to people. The time you spend to monitor this thread and support your product is also out of the ordinary and quite amazing. however for me in canada, paying more to ship the item then the actual cost of the item, makes it prohibitive to purchase.

based on USPS shipping site, it would cost $8.55 to ship priority mail (6-10 day). i do see that express mail is $22 (5 day) so the charges quoted by your site are accurate. its just too much money unfortunately.

maybe one day the device will be available at a retail chain! wouldnt that be nice!

I use the PS2 IR receiver and I had my 880's direction buttons working in the regular PS3menus. I recently did a firmware update to 1.93 and now they are skipping like before. I reloaded my settings to the Harmony, no dice. I tried using the Nyko codes from the Harmony database with my PS2 IR receiver, no luck. I've spent over two hours tring to teach the Harmony the PS2 codes again and all it will do is skip. I noticed above that there are some Hex codes for up/down/right/left. Is there a way to input these into the Harmony (I haven't found anything) or can I only learn commands from other remotes? This is seriously ticking me off as I had spent quite a bit of time to get it working only to have a new firmware update screw me over.

I use the PS2 IR receiver and I had my 880's direction buttons working in the regular PS3menus. I recently did a firmware update to 1.93 and now they are skipping like before. I reloaded my settings to the Harmony, no dice. I tried using the Nyko codes from the Harmony database with my PS2 IR receiver, no luck. I've spent over two hours tring to teach the Harmony the PS2 codes again and all it will do is skip. I noticed above that there are some Hex codes for up/down/right/left. Is there a way to input these into the Harmony (I haven't found anything) or can I only learn commands from other remotes? This is seriously ticking me off as I had spent quite a bit of time to get it working only to have a new firmware update screw me over.

I would read this page (http://www.remotecentral.com/sst768/index8.htm) at remote central. It looks like it describes how to enter hex codes into a Harmony using the web interface in advanced mode. It seems to be buried deep.

We are all at the mercy of firmware updates. The best defense is to look and operate exactly like the Sony PS3 accessory. You may eventually need to buy a USB IR device that is supported with updates. But for now, it would seem to me that if you are able to put in the clean codes, your setup should work. I would recommend using the DVD arrow codes from the recent posts.

Hey MMuecke. I appreciate all the effort you've gone to make the device and provide service to people. The time you spend to monitor this thread and support your product is also out of the ordinary and quite amazing. however for me in canada, paying more to ship the item then the actual cost of the item, makes it prohibitive to purchase.

based on USPS shipping site, it would cost $8.55 to ship priority mail (6-10 day). i do see that express mail is $22 (5 day) so the charges quoted by your site are accurate. its just too much money unfortunately.

maybe one day the device will be available at a retail chain! wouldnt that be nice!

That would be great for everyone. Are you saying that $9 shipping cost keeps you from buying? I would find that surprising.

That would be great for everyone. Are you saying that $9 shipping cost keeps you from buying? I would find that surprising.

$9 is fine but over $12 is not, especially $22. but there are no options on your site for $9 priority mail shipping to canada. the cheapest I can get it to do is >$20. unless i can order directly from you instead of through the site? if so, great! let me (and others) know what we need to do! :)

I would read this page (http://www.remotecentral.com/sst768/index8.htm) at remote central. It looks like it describes how to enter hex codes into a Harmony using the web interface in advanced mode. It seems to be buried deep.

Mike, I think that page dates from a while ago. I understand that in the old days (before the Logitech buyout) the Harmony software would let you manually tweak the XML being uploaded to the remote, but they removed that option some time back. AFAIK the only way to get raw hex codes into the Harmony now is to work with their tech support folks.

I can sell mine for 15 shipped, like new

hey zoro. i emailed you that i'll take your USBIRX3. i also realized that you are also posting on the The "Official" Denon AVR-2307CI Thread! I am reading through that thread and just ordered one!

brett

Mike, I think that page dates from a while ago. I understand that in the old days (before the Logitech buyout) the Harmony software would let you manually tweak the XML being uploaded to the remote, but they removed that option some time back. AFAIK the only way to get raw hex codes into the Harmony now is to work with their tech support folks.

Well, it was a try. But, I realize that bad advice is worse than no advice. So, I think I'll just stay with what I know which is USB, the PS3, and my product. I don't consider myself an expert on Universal Remotes. I'll just leave that for everyone else from now on.

I can sell mine for 15 shipped, like new

I'd like to hear why you don't want your USBIRX3. Any feedback helps, good or bad.

Mike, I think that page dates from a while ago. I understand that in the old days (before the Logitech buyout) the Harmony software would let you manually tweak the XML being uploaded to the remote, but they removed that option some time back. AFAIK the only way to get raw hex codes into the Harmony now is to work with their tech support folks.

I ended up emailing Harmony asking to add the hex codes to my account. I used the ones from the previous page as it looked like the poster said that he thought they were for the PS2. Hopefully this works, otherwise I will have to dig up my parents old Pronto and try to play with the hex codes until they work and then learn them to my Harmony. Thanks for the heads up that Harmony support can update the codes.

hey zoro. i emailed you that i'll take your USBIRX3. i also realized that you are also posting on the The "Official" Denon AVR-2307CI Thread! I am reading through that thread and just ordered one!

brett

sorry man, my mistake! I have PlayStation 3 Blu Wave Remote, are they same?

Thank you Mike Muecke,
My USBIRXR3 arrived yesterday. I have a PS3 and the bluetooth remote I picked up works great with it but I really wanted to integrate in into my new Universal MX-900i Genesis. I didn't have a PS2 remote to "learn" the buttons but I was able to download some device codes from remotecentral.com (http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/files/dl.cgi?file=mx700/systems/daniel-tonks_mxf.zip&area=mx700) posted by Daniel Tonks for his Home Theater Master MX-700. I opened them using the "Universal Browser" tool in my MX-900 editor and copied the learned codes over to the appropriate buttons on my MX-900. I was able to do this within 5-10 minutes of the arrival of my USBIRXR3.
Plug and Play right out of the package and into my PS3, beautiful! I just jammed the thing into USB slot 4, jumped onto my couch and I was playing tunes navigating around the PS3 and enjoying full control over BD movies from my home theater remote.
I love it! Thanks Mike.
Great work,
Rob

-Now if I could just get my ATI Remote Wonder RF remote rolled in I could die happy.
__________
When you die, if you get a choice between going to regular heaven or pie heaven, choose pie heaven. It might be a trick, but if it's not, mmmmmmm, boy.

sorry man, my mistake! I have PlayStation 3 Blu Wave Remote, are they same?

Oh, OK, now I know why you want to sell it.;)

You had me worried there for a moment!

Mike

I've noticed that the newer 3rd party USB controllers now have a "HOME" key that lets you turn off the PS3. Does anybody know any details? I'd like to add that functionality to the USBIRX3. From first glance, it seems to be implemented as an extra button, however, I added this button and the PS3 still doesn't respond. I'm hoping it's not locked out for any device that isn't made by Sony. I noticed that the MadKat version says it is made by Sony and uses the Sony Vendor ID. I wouldn't want to do that since I want to stay a member of the USB community. That sort of thing is frowned upon. Any info would help. It's definately beyond the scope of this thread though.

I've noticed that the newer 3rd party USB controllers now have a "HOME" key that lets you turn off the PS3. Does anybody know any details? I'd like to add that functionality to the USBIRX3. From first glance, it seems to be implemented as an extra button, however, I added this button and the PS3 still doesn't respond. I'm hoping it's not locked out for any device that isn't made by Sony. I noticed that the MadKat version says it is made by Sony and uses the Sony Vendor ID. I wouldn't want to do that since I want to stay a member of the USB community. That sort of thing is frowned upon. Any info would help. It's definately beyond the scope of this thread though.

Mike:

I am not sure exactly how your USBIRX3 translates the codes, but most Sony devices use the following IR codes (along with DVD/PS2 equivalent codes for the USBIRX3):

Power Toggle: 21 (49D15/DAD15)
Power On: 46 (49D2E/DAD2E)
Power Off: 47 (49D2F/DAD2F)

Not sure if this helps, but I thought I would give it a shot.

John

sorry man, my mistake! I have PlayStation 3 Blu Wave Remote, are they same?

they arent the same. i have one of those as well.

MM: so can i get a dongle from you with $9 shipping? how?

thanks

they arent the same. i have one of those as well.

MM: so can i get a dongle from you with $9 shipping? how?

thanks

Please enter my address as the shipping address. You may put the actual shipping address in the special instructions field during checkout.

If you select UPS ground I can send it International Priority Mail. That will be $14.92 shipping and handling. There is a small handling charge included to break out the cost of order processing, filling out customs forms and whatnot. This is a per order fee so, no matter how many you order, there is only a single handling fee.

Hope this works for you, if not, thanks for your interest anyway. BTW, what retailer would be the best candidate for this product in Canada?

I use the PS2 IR adapter and I had Harmony support update my account with the PS2 hex codes that I found for the direction buttons and I updated my remote with the new configuration. I went into the XMB and it is still jumping 3 spaces per click. This is driving me mad, but I guess I will have to get either a Nyko or the USBIRX3. What a PIA this is. As I said in an earlier post, I had my Harmony working correctly with the PS2 IR adapter months ago and after I updated to the latest firmware they started jumping again. My concern is that Sony will botch up a future firmware update and these two devices won't work properly.

before i go and buy the USBIRX3 i want to ask: does the USBIRX3 work with the ps3, harmony remote and the PS2 harmony device library setting? or does one have to input hex codes or whatever? thanks for your help.

before i go and buy the USBIRX3 i want to ask: does the USBIRX3 work with the ps3, harmony remote and the PS2 harmony device library setting? or does one have to input hex codes or whatever? thanks for your help.

I think that's the way it's supposed to work. I placed an order on Sunday. Hopefully I get it by the weekend. I'll be using it with my Harmony 360 remote which at the moment has PS2 codes on it from the activity I set on it for the PS3.

before i go and buy the USBIRX3 i want to ask: does the USBIRX3 work with the ps3, harmony remote and the PS2 harmony device library setting? or does one have to input hex codes or whatever? thanks for your help.

Yup. Just set up a "Game Console With DVD -- Sony PStwo" device, and create an activity for it. You may have to go into the activity and mess around with button assignments to get it to behave exactly the way you want, but no hex codes or IR learning are necessary.

I use the PS2 IR adapter and I had Harmony support update my account with the PS2 hex codes that I found for the direction buttons and I updated my remote with the new configuration. I went into the XMB and it is still jumping 3 spaces per click. This is driving me mad, but I guess I will have to get either a Nyko or the USBIRX3. What a PIA this is. As I said in an earlier post, I had my Harmony working correctly with the PS2 IR adapter months ago and after I updated to the latest firmware they started jumping again. My concern is that Sony will botch up a future firmware update and these two devices won't work properly.

Have you messed with the # of repeats for the device? In the Harmony software, select "Troubleshoot" for the device, then pick Show me more problems->Device doesn't appear to receive every command correctly->The device responds too much to some commands. The setting there usually defaults to 3. Try lowering the number to 1 or 0. As I understand it, this controls the number of times that the Harmony repeats the IR code when you press a button.

I use the PS2 IR adapter and I had Harmony support update my account with the PS2 hex codes that I found for the direction buttons and I updated my remote with the new configuration. I went into the XMB and it is still jumping 3 spaces per click. This is driving me mad, but I guess I will have to get either a Nyko or the USBIRX3. What a PIA this is. As I said in an earlier post, I had my Harmony working correctly with the PS2 IR adapter months ago and after I updated to the latest firmware they started jumping again. My concern is that Sony will botch up a future firmware update and these two devices won't work properly.

That is why you need to buy a device that is fully supported. I don't know about the other two but the USBIRX3 can be flashed with updated firmware.

MMueke I will use the USBirx3 and the Harmony 1000. My question is in the harmony site setup My device needs to be PS3 with DVD player to get the button programed without a need for an actual remote like the Nyko or PS3 bue tooth. Or do you set the device to PS2 with DVD to get the buttons without the need to order a remote since the codes are PS2. Thanks for your time Mike

BTW, what retailer would be the best candidate for this product in Canada?

Future Shop/Best Buy (same corporate ownership) would give you lots of exposure - great weekly flyers/sales, and lots of game sales. Electronic Boutique is like Game Stop.

Good luck!

Ordered a USBIRX3 yesterday. Hoping that it does the trick that I'm thinking it does for PS3 control when I install it!

I'm wondering-- as I understand it, if you turn on the PS3 with a Sixaxis remote, the PS3 will recognize the Sixaxis as the primary remote and USBIRX3 as the 2nd controller. Does this mean that if you're playing a multiplayer game, with multiple Sixaxis controllers, (i.e. let's say 2 players) you'll have to disconnect the USB IRX3 first, to get the 2nd player to work correctly?

Ordered a USBIRX3 yesterday. Hoping that it does the trick that I'm thinking it does for PS3 control when I install it!

I'm wondering-- as I understand it, if you turn on the PS3 with a Sixaxis remote, the PS3 will recognize the Sixaxis as the primary remote and USBIRX3 as the 2nd controller. Does this mean that if you're playing a multiplayer game, with multiple Sixaxis controllers, (i.e. let's say 2 players) you'll have to disconnect the USB IRX3 first, to get the 2nd player to work correctly?

Worst case is that you would have to reassign the number of the second controller. In the game, hit the PS button on the controller, and you should get an option to reassign the controller. If you put it on 2, then I think the USBIRX3 should automatically get pushed to controller 3.

MMueke I will use the USBirx3 and the Harmony 1000. My question is in the harmony site setup My device needs to be PS3 with DVD player to get the button programed without a need for an actual remote like the Nyko or PS3 bue tooth. Or do you set the device to PS2 with DVD to get the buttons without the need to order a remote since the codes are PS2. Thanks for your time Mike

You can just tell it you have a PS2 with DVD and the codes will work fine. Interestingly, you can also tell it you have a PS3 but it warns you that it won't be able to control it. But if you try it, it does work anyway!

Ordered a USBIRX3 yesterday. Hoping that it does the trick that I'm thinking it does for PS3 control when I install it!

I'm wondering-- as I understand it, if you turn on the PS3 with a Sixaxis remote, the PS3 will recognize the Sixaxis as the primary remote and USBIRX3 as the 2nd controller. Does this mean that if you're playing a multiplayer game, with multiple Sixaxis controllers, (i.e. let's say 2 players) you'll have to disconnect the USB IRX3 first, to get the 2nd player to work correctly?

I bought my PS3 for the Bluray player however, I do play games a little bit. From my experience, the only issue is that some games require controller #1 to be the one used for setting up and starting the game. The USBIRX3 takes care of this.

This kind of behavior will vary according to the game since it depends on how the game designer dreamed it up. However, I would think that for controllers beyond controller #1, most games will let other players join in any order by pressing the X key or something like that. So I wouldn't expect the USBIRX3 to be "in the way" of game play. I would be interested in hearing if there are any games out there that are bothered by the presence of the USBIRX3.

As a side note, you can still force the USBIRX3 to be controller #1 if you turn on the power using the PS3 front panel power button. But, I would think that in most cases, you would power-up the PS3 by pressing the PS button on the controller you want to be #1. Then, the USBIRX3 will be assigned #2.

I bought my PS3 for the Bluray player however, I do play games a little bit. From my experience, the only issue is that some games require controller #1 to be the one used for setting up and starting the game. The USBIRX3 takes care of this.

This kind of behavior will vary according to the game since it depends on how the game designer dreamed it up. However, I would think that for controllers beyond controller #1, most games will let other players join in any order by pressing the X key or something like that. So I wouldn't expect the USBIRX3 to be "in the way" of game play. I would be interested in hearing if there are any games out there that are bothered by the presence of the USBIRX3.

As a side note, you can still force the USBIRX3 to be controller #1 if you turn on the power using the PS3 front panel power button. But, I would think that in most cases, you would power-up the PS3 by pressing the PS button on the controller you want to be #1. Then, the USBIRX3 will be assigned #2.

I think he was asking from the opposite point of view. In other words, he would turn the PS3 on with the PS button on one controller, thus the controller is #1, the USBIRX3 is #2 (alternatively, he would turn the PS3 from the console button, and USBIRX3 is #1); so after that someone else comes in and they want to play head to head, and his question is if the second controller can be assigned to #2 (or in the other option, reassign both controllers to #1 and #2), and thus the USBIRX3 pushed to #3, without physically disconnecting the USBIRX3.

:o clear as mud?

That's how it works with the Nyko IIRC. If I power up with the controller, the controller is #1 because teh USB dongle is "asleep" when the PS3 is turned on. Doesn't seem to matter if I change my Harmony 720 activity to "Play Blu-ray/PS3" before or after turning it on.

When I'm in "blu-ray mode", i usually turn the PS3 on by putting a disc in... but if I'm going to game, I just about always turn it on with the controller...

I have had to redesign the plastic to be compatible with higher volume production. I was originally thinking I would have enough of the current stock to last until the new design is available. However, due to the overwhelming demand for the USBIRX3, I will probably be out of stock by the end of Today. That means that I will temporarily be out of stock for about a week or so while I bring the new design online. It's one of those good news, bad news situations. I am very pleased with the increased sales.

I think the new version will be well received. It will still run the same reliable firmware, just the look will change. I have designed the new plastic so that when it is installed, it blends in to the front of the PS3 and looks like it is part of the PS3 instead of a dongle sticking out. The new plastic is very low profile and projects less than 1/2 inches from the face of the PS3. The plastic is shiny black to match.

Should I allow back-orders so that everyone can queue up? Or is this frowned on?

-Mike

As long as you make it clear that there will be a backorder before someone places the order there's no harm in letting people place backorders.

That sounds pretty good. I'm loathe to put any more money and can't really see the dongle from the 9'ish feet I sit at (sometimes 8, sometimes 9, sometimes 10)...

Damn, mine just shipped the other day. I can probably sell the older model to somebody if I decide to order a new model. :)

Mike, has mine shipped yet? Can I get the new version if it looks/feels better?

Mike, has mine shipped yet? Can I get the new version if it looks/feels better?

As of Wednesday, all orders placed were shipped. I have since received more orders than I have stock. I am currently looking into why this is possible.

Wow, I didn't intend to cause a panic!

I will probably offer a trade-in discount on the purchase of a new unit for existing customers. Also, if there are any major firmware updates in the future, I will likely offer to re-flash any units out there in the field if they are returned to me for updating. I will charge a nominal fee plus shipping. Eventually, I'd like to make the firmware field programmable. The hardware already supports this but it will require a difficult and time consuming firmware development effort on my part so, it may be a while before this happens (if ever).

The new version will cost a little more, so, if anyone is into clipping coupons, they will want to keep the original version. I really only want to sell to someone who is perfectly happy spending up to $100 just for the fun of trying something new. At least that is my target market by design. I don't wish to exclude anyone but, people that get a kick out of buying the cheapest thing out there, for the lowest price, just don't fit into this target market. I'm looking for people who want something clever and cool that is fully supported in a uniquely personal (yet irreverent) way. In the end everyone should have fun. That's what it's all about.

-Mike

I'm just glad there is someone out there that cares about the IR issue. I have said it before and I'll say it again, Sony dropped the ball on this one. They could have easily made an adapter like yours and get it into stores. It would be sweet if you and Sony collaborated to support your IR adapter in the official firmware but that would maybe cause them to lose sales on their BT remote. We can only hope. :)

I'm just glad there is someone out there that cares about the IR issue. I have said it before and I'll say it again, Sony dropped the ball on this one. They could have easily made an adapter like yours and get it into stores. It would be sweet if you and Sony collaborated to support your IR adapter in the official firmware but that would maybe cause them to lose sales on their BT remote. We can only hope. :)

I tried talking to Sony. But so far, they don't want to talk to me. The rumor is that they are pushing the PS3 as a Bluray player for the Holiday season. In light of this, maybe, just maybe, someone from Sony will want to collaborate. That would be good. Sony, you know where to find me;)

But as a market, we really don't need them now. I will be able to turn off the PS3 in a future version of the firmware. I'm still working on it though I know it's possible now. And since we look exactly like a standard USB Game controller, they can't really block the device from working without also killing the Logitech and Madkatz offerings. That would annoy way too many loyal Sony fans. I just don't see that being in their best interest so we're safe. I hope...

A company as big Sony, I'm not surprised they wouldn't talk. I just my "classic version" of the USBIRX3 today. It works well. I had to fool with my Harmony for a while so it would work. I had to create a "watch laserdisc" activity so that all the buttons would work. Other than changing some of the key delays and renaming the activity to "PS2 / Blu-ray", and editing some buttons, it is all set now. BTW, it's the Harmony 360 remote if anyone cares. I'm glad to hear that the work will continue on the USBIRX3.

I got my USBIRX3 on Friday, I got one of the last ones in stock!

However, I am having a strange problem.

I set it up as PSTwo. I fooled a bit with configuration (for instance, changed the 'select' button to 'enter') and everything works, EXCEPT, when I'm playing a Blu-ray disc the play/pause/Ffw/Rew etc buttons don't work. All the others such as back, guide, info, directional do work. Also, the play/pause etc work with standard DVD. I confirmed this by swapping back and forth.

Currently I have the PS3 BT remote, seems to be assigned as controller 3 and 4. I usually turn on with gamepad, so the USBIRX3 is controller 2. Sometimes though I use both game controllers, and the USBIRX3 must be assigned somewhere below 4.

So I'm wondering if it needs to be in a certain spot in the lineup to work for BD. Apparently it does work for BD in some cases, as several posters above states that it does.

So I'm going to fool around some more and see what it does in spot #1 and 2 and update this post. Meanwhile I'm wondering if anyone has insight into this. Why would it work with SD DVD but not BD?


update:

still no joy, even with both gamepads turned off and BD remote turned off (USBIRX3 only active control.)

can anyone confirm that the USBIRX3 works with BD ?

I got my USBIRX3 on Friday, I got one of the last ones in stock!

However, I am having a strange problem.

I set it up as PSTwo. I fooled a bit with configuration (for instance, changed the 'select' button to 'enter') and everything works, EXCEPT, when I'm playing a Blu-ray disc the play/pause/Ffw/Rew etc buttons don't work. All the others such as back, guide, info, directional do work. Also, the play/pause etc work with standard DVD. I confirmed this by swapping back and forth.

Currently I have the PS3 BT remote, seems to be assigned as controller 3 and 4. I usually turn on with gamepad, so the USBIRX3 is controller 2. Sometimes though I use both game controllers, and the USBIRX3 must be assigned somewhere below 4.

So I'm wondering if it needs to be in a certain spot in the lineup to work for BD. Apparently it does work for BD in some cases, as several posters above states that it does.

So I'm going to fool around some more and see what it does in spot #1 and 2 and update this post. Meanwhile I'm wondering if anyone has insight into this. Why would it work with SD DVD but not BD?


update:

still no joy, even with both gamepads turned off and BD remote turned off (USBIRX3 only active control.)

can anyone confirm that the USBIRX3 works with BD ?

What BD are you trying this with? I just discovered that the Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest BD does some weird button remapping which causes many of the USBIRX3's functions to appear not to work. All the other discs I've tried it with work fine.

Wow, that's exactly the DVD I was trying. I will try a different one in the am (since the the Rockies just won game 3 I'm not really in a state to try it tonight). I hope that's all it is. Thanks.

Wow, that's exactly the DVD I was trying. I will try a different one in the am (since the the Rockies just won game 3 I'm not really in a state to try it tonight). I hope that's all it is. Thanks.
That's what I figured. From what I could tell, POTC: DMC disables the X button for play/pause, and the left/right directional arrows for FF/rewind, and those happen to be the button codes that the USBIRX3 maps to for those functions. If you try with the controller, you'll see those buttons don't work on the Sixaxis either. L2/R2 still works for FF/rewind, and Start for play/pause.

My fix was to map FF and rewind on the Harmony to the device codes for R2 and L2, respectively, and both play and pause to Start. It should still work exactly the same for everything else, and it will function properly in POTC and, one hopes, any other discs that screw around with the buttons in the same way.

That's what I figured. From what I could tell, POTC:DMC disables the X button for play/pause, and the left/right directional arrows for FF/rewind, and those happen to be the button codes that the USBIRX3 maps to for those functions. If you try with the controller, you'll see those buttons don't work on the Sixaxis either. L2/R2 still works for FF/rewind, and Start for play/pause.

My fix was to map FF and rewind on the Harmony to the device codes for R2 and L2, respectively, and both play and pause to Start. It should still work exactly the same for everything else, and it will function properly in POTC and, one hopes, any other discs that screw around with the buttons in the same way.

Does that mean that I need to change the mapping of these keys in the firmware? It's easy enough to do. It shouldn't effect other DVDs since both mappings work. It was a guess on my part which mapping was primary.

-Mike

Does that mean that I need to change the mapping of these keys in the firmware? It's easy enough to do. It shouldn't effect other DVDs since both mappings work. It was a guess on my part which mapping was primary.

-Mike

Mike, it's hard to say, since I don't know if there are any other BD movies out there that do this sort of button remapping. I've seen someone suggest that POTC does it in order to free up buttons for the "Liar's Dice" game that's included on the disc. It's possible that some other studio could produce a disc that (for instance) remapped L2 and R2 but left the directional arrows untouched, which would leave you in a no-win situation, since there would be no one key mapping that would work with everything.

However, unless anyone has heard of other discs that do this, POTC may be the only culprit. It's a popular enough movie that this could cause headaches for quite a few people, so I'd think it's worth changing the mappings. (I was getting worried about the USBIRX3 myself when I put in POTC: DMC, until I tried the Sixaxis and realized the usual buttons weren't working there either.)

A friend sent me this thread, and in an expedition to conquer my PS3 problem, I have found a great solution to what I think we are all trying to figure out. Fry's Electronics carries a remote made by Nyko called the BluWave Infrared Remote. It is designed specifically for the PS3, and comes with a IR to USB dongle. The best part is, it only costs $20.

I brought one home, and it works great. My learning remote took all of the commands just fine, and the only visible part of the system in use, is the small USB device in the front of the PS3 no larger than a flash drive.

The only thing I see that the Nyko remote lacks (which the Sony Bluetooth remote has) is a numeric keypad.

Hope this is helpful!

A friend sent me this thread, and in an expedition to conquer my PS3 problem, I have found a great solution to what I think we are all trying to figure out. Fry's Electronics carries a remote made by Nyko called the BluWave Infrared Remote. It is designed specifically for the PS3, and comes with a IR to USB dongle. The best part is, it only costs $20.

I brought one home, and it works great. My learning remote took all of the commands just fine, and the only visible part of the system in use, is the small USB device in the front of the PS3 no larger than a flash drive.

The only thing I see that the Nyko remote lacks (which the Sony Bluetooth remote has) is a numeric keypad.

Hope this is helpful!

astrosmurf, thanks for the suggestion, but you might want to read back a few pages in this thread. Some of us have experienced all manner of headaches with the Nyko BluWave. I wound up returning it to Amazon after Nyko replaced my unit with another that had exactly the same problem. You also might want to double-check whether your Nyko experiences the "up-arrow bug" described previously, while you're still within the store's return period.

I can recommend very highly Mike Muecke's USBIRX3, which I bought after sending back the Nyko, and which works perfectly.

You can just tell it you have a PS2 with DVD and the codes will work fine. Interestingly, you can also tell it you have a PS3 but it warns you that it won't be able to control it. But if you try it, it does work anyway!
Hmm. I just received my USBIRX3 and I have the Harmony 360 remote. When I chose both PS2 with DVD or PS3 with DVD I get the same error message that it won't be able to control this device. Are you saying it will work anyway if I chose PS2 or PS3 as a device in the Harmony setup?

I wonder why choosing PS2 also gives me the error message. I wondering if I'm choosing the correct device.

Thanks in advance!

Hmm. I just received my USBIRX3 and I have the Harmony 360 remote. When I chose both PS2 with DVD or PS3 with DVD I get the same error message that it won't be able to control this device. Are you saying it will work anyway if I chose PS2 or PS3 as a device in the Harmony setup?

I wonder why choosing PS2 also gives me the error message. I wondering if I'm choosing the correct device.

Thanks in advance!

Yes, you will get that message with either one, and yes, it will still work for you (except for turning the PS3 on or off). Don't be shy, try it out. :p

Wow. What an idiot I am. I tried added them both last night and quickly dismissed them, assuming I was doing it incorrectly and would have to do more research and add codes manually. LOL, can't wait to get home and try it again!

Thanks

Guys, thanks for all your help. I've been out of town and therefore have not been able to acknowledge sooner. I remapped the controls as you suggested an it works like a charm.

I was also puzzled with the "you will not be able to control this device" message, but it does work. I think you get that message because you won't be able to turn it off and on.

astrosmurf, thanks for the suggestion, but you might want to read back a few pages in this thread. Some of us have experienced all manner of headaches with the Nyko BluWave. I wound up returning it to Amazon after Nyko replaced my unit with another that had exactly the same problem. You also might want to double-check whether your Nyko experiences the "up-arrow bug" described previously, while you're still within the store's return period.

I can recommend very highly Mike Muecke's USBIRX3, which I bought after sending back the Nyko, and which works perfectly.

Also, for the Harmony series at least, the USBIRX3 is MUCH easier to set up, as it uses the PS2 commands that are already available in the Harmony database. all I had to do was add a PS2 to my device list, plug in the USBIRX3, and it worked, with the exception of 1 disc, as discussed above.

With the Nyko, you will have to manually learn all the commands into your universal.

I used the Nyko Blu-wave PS3 from the Harmony DVD on a new activity and I got the turbo speed from it (was never able to figure it out from the learned activity I did). A bit of button rearrangement and all is well in the world. Had to redo the timings (interdevice, delay, etc) and set up the custom buttons again, but it's pretty neat to get the last little irritable bit licked. :D

So when Mikes's controller is back in stock I could pair it with my PS2 remote that I still have laying around, and it would work perfectly right out of the box and give me all the PS3 controller features, even the home key? (what key on the ps2 remote goes to home if i may ask). I realize I wouldnt be able to power it on with this at this point, but it would work?

This could tide me over till I get the gumption to get a harmoney 550.

So when Mikes's controller is back in stock I could pair it with my PS2 remote that I still have laying around, and it would work perfectly right out of the box and give me all the PS3 controller features, even the home key? (what key on the ps2 remote goes to home if i may ask). I realize I wouldnt be able to power it on with this at this point, but it would work?

This could tide me over till I get the gumption to get a harmoney 550.

By home, do you mean the XMB screen? If so, you can get there just by pressing "stop" while playing a BD.

So when Mikes's controller is back in stock I could pair it with my PS2 remote that I still have laying around, and it would work perfectly right out of the box and give me all the PS3 controller features, even the home key? (what key on the ps2 remote goes to home if i may ask). I realize I wouldnt be able to power it on with this at this point, but it would work?

This could tide me over till I get the gumption to get a harmoney 550.

It will work great with your PS2 remote. Some of the keys like Audio, Angle won't do anything. Those functions are available on the XMB after hitting the menu key.

But I'm wondering, if you don't mind having an extra remote, why not just buy the Sony BlueTooth version? The PS3IRX1 and the USBIRX3 are meant for those that want to integrate all of their home theater setup on a single remote.

And no, I haven't figured out the home key yet. When that happens, you will be able to turn off the PS3. But as was suggested earlier, of course you can get back to the XMB by hitting STOP, RETURN, or Top Menu.

It looks like the PS3IRX1 will be shipping October 29th. Here is a render of the new plastic. It is actually really black and shiny like the PS3. It is form fitted to snug up against the front of the PS3 when installed. It barely sticks out 12.8 mm and doesn't even get in the way of the airflow vents underneath the overhang.

Looks nice.

Can you take a pic with it on the PS3? And one from another angle showing the USB plug? It's a little hard to imagine exactly what it'll look like installed.

It will work great with your PS2 remote. Some of the keys like Audio, Angle won't do anything. Those functions are available on the XMB after hitting the menu key.

But I'm wondering, if you don't mind having an extra remote, why not just buy the Sony BlueTooth version? The PS3IRX1 and the USBIRX3 are meant for those that want to integrate all of their home theater setup on a single remote.

And no, I haven't figured out the home key yet. When that happens, you will be able to turn off the PS3. But as was suggested earlier, of course you can get back to the XMB by hitting STOP, RETURN, or Top Menu.

Well I already have the sony ps2 remote, ive had it for years and its just been laying around. So i can at least "use" it till I go and pick up a harmony for all my components, thus saving myself money on the blu ray remote, which could go towards a harmony later.

Know what im saying?

I would almost be tempted to wait for power on/off capabilities, but the more I think about it, if im going to be using the blu ray, generally I get up to put disc in anyhow. If i am just resuming something I guess I have to get up off the couch to turn it on. :)

Can you take a pic with it on the PS3? And one from another angle showing the USB plug? It's a little hard to imagine exactly what it'll look like installed.

I'd be happy to take a pic once I get the plastic in my lab. It doesn't arrive until next Friday. In the meantime, notice how the back of the plastic matches the contour of the PS3 at the USB connector area. It will be flush with the front of the PS when installed so it looks like it is part of the original PS3 design.

Well I already have the sony ps2 remote, ive had it for years and its just been laying around. So i can at least "use" it till I go and pick up a harmony for all my components, thus saving myself money on the blu ray remote, which could go towards a harmony later.

Know what im saying?

I would almost be tempted to wait for power on/off capabilities, but the more I think about it, if im going to be using the blu ray, generally I get up to put disc in anyhow. If i am just resuming something I guess I have to get up off the couch to turn it on. :)

Ah... that makes sense. As far as the power on/off capabilities. I agree with your assessment. If you want to play a game, you'd want to power up using the controller to make sure it is number 1 anyway. And, for Bluray, you'd have to put in a disk which would then automatically turn the PS3 on. Listening to music is the only time it would be nice to be able to turn it on with the remote.

For many reasons, it may be a long while before I can get the power on/off working. It may never be possible to turn the PS3 on without a major klooge.

I feel that the new version will satisfy everyone without the power on/off.

Will there be an increase in price once the plugs are back in stock?

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For many reasons, it may be a long while before I can get the power on/off working. It may never be possible to turn the PS3 on without a major klooge.
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This lack of power on/off has been a serious drawback for me. Now with the new 40GB version being released I was wondering if Sony by any chance made those changes to finally make it work.
Does anybody have any insights yet?
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This lack of power on/off has been a serious drawback for me. Now with the new 40GB version being released I was wondering if Sony by any chance made those changes to finally make it work.
Does anybody have any insights yet?
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Axel

I doubt you'd see a change like this from a different SKU. All of the SKU's have the same BASE hardware and features. However, it could be possible to see a change come from a new firmware update. There is a rumored firmware to be released soon. Maybe that would have the on/off control.

Personally, on/off control wouldn't affect me at all.

Is it a problem to leave ps3 powered on 24/7?
I can still flip to it with my harmony 670 and then navigate music/video or play a game with the controller, but wondering if being on all the time will pose any problem??. I presume is fine so that kind of negates the power on off problem.

PS3IRX1 ordered..so hopefully soon will be back to 1 remote.

Is it a problem to leave ps3 powered on 24/7?
I can still flip to it with my harmony 670 and then navigate music/video or play a game with the controller, but wondering if being on all the time will pose any problem??. I presume is fine so that kind of negates the power on off problem.

PS3IRX1 ordered..so hopefully soon will be back to 1 remote.
As long as it's adequately cooled, you should be OK. I think there are a fair number of people running theirs 24/7 with Folding@Home, which pushes the hardware a lot harder than sitting there idle, so it shouldn't be a problem.

is there anyway to program a Harmony remote to go to the DVD menu, instead of the on-screen XMB Sony menu? Is there anything different about the dongle then just the appearence?

is there anyway to program a Harmony remote to go to the DVD menu, instead of the on-screen XMB Sony menu? Is there anything different about the dongle then just the appearence?

It functions exactly the same as the USBIRX3 with a new look. I had to order new plastic anyway so I invested in a better look.

As far as the DVD menu: The behavior changes depending on the activity context. While viewing a DVD, if you press MENU, it will show the advance command menu that has Audio, Angle and all that. Hitting Top Menu will go back to the DVD menu. Stop will bring you back to the XMB.

It functions exactly the same as the USBIRX3 with a new look. I had to order new plastic anyway so I invested in a better look.

As far as the DVD menu: The behavior changes depending on the activity context. While viewing a DVD, if you press MENU, it will show the advance command menu that has Audio, Angle and all that. Hitting Top Menu will go back to the DVD menu. Stop will bring you back to the XMB.

Speaking for myself, I don't always find the remote-button-to-controller-button mapping on the USBIRX3 to be the most intuitive, in terms of which buttons should do what. For my Harmony config I just mapped controller buttons directly, since the USBIRX3 looks to the PS3 like a game controller. In my case, I have the Harmony "Menu" button mapped to Square (which will take you to the DVD menu in a DVD, or bring up the disc's onscreen menu on a Blu-Ray movie), and the Harmony "Guide" button mapped to Triangle, which brings up the onscreen display for video playback (several rows of translucent icons in the upper left, which has been around since the PS2 days). I have both the Harmony "Exit" and Stop buttons mapped to Circle, which will exit playback and take you back to the XMB (or take you out of the onscreen video playback menu).

Incidentally, Mike, do you have a spreadsheet showing which DVD remote functions are mapped to which buttons on the emulated controller interface you present to the PS3? Might make things a little easier to sort out.

Here is the IR code to Game controller mapping for the new PS3IRX1. It's still the same as the earlier one posted for the USBIRX3.

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Here is the IR code to Game controller mapping for the new PS3IRX1. It's still the same as the earlier one posted for the USBIRX3.

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Got it now, thanks! I think I must have misinterpreted the earlier copy you posted. Makes more sense now, and confirms some of the mappings that seemed odd to me (like mapping Stop to Square instead of Circle). The nice thing about the Harmony is that it's easy enough to rearrange the button mappings to suit ourselves, though.

Hey, Mike, take a look at this post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11984523#post11984523). I am going to do some experimenting with this sometime this week, but if this is true, it means it's possible to turn the PS3 from the USB port.

What do you make of this?

Even if the scroll button from his mouse does output the PS button code and the code can be determined, that doesn't mean that it can be turned on via USB. The USB dongle would still need power to receive the command and the PS3 would still need to be listening to receive the command. It would enable people to be able to turn off the PS3 via USB but that's about all the functionality it would add.

Oh, you're right... I stand corrected. For some reason (wishful thinking, I guess) I thought he tried this with the PS3 being OFF, but that's apparently not the case, and certainly it makes no difference.

Disregard my previous post.

Well getting the ability to turn off the PS3 and use the PS Button is still noteworthy; just not the holy grail we'd all like to see.

Well getting the ability to turn off the PS3 and use the PS Button is still noteworthy; just not the holy grail we'd all like to see.

I agree. Being able to turn it off (and even as a discrete command) is better than nothing. I would like to see this implemented.
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Hey, Mike, take a look at this post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11984523#post11984523). I am going to do some experimenting with this sometime this week, but if this is true, it means it's possible to turn the PS3 from the USB port.

What do you make of this?

Being able to emulate the home key is appealing. Some of the Madkatz USB game controllers do this also. I've yet to figure out the magic USB packet though. Still working on it.

BTW, for anyone interested, the new plastic arrived and it looks great! I should be shipping again by Monday.

What does everyone mean by the "Home" key? I'm trying to understand what function this would do. Whenever I play a BD and want to go back to the XMB, I just use the "stop" command.

What does everyone mean by the "Home" key? I'm trying to understand what function this would do. Whenever I play a BD and want to go back to the XMB, I just use the "stop" command.

It's the 'PS' button (circle) below the start and select buttons. It is the one used to turn the PS3 ON from the controller, as well as bring a menu to stop playback/turn controller or PS3 OFF and such.

The big thing is turning the PS3 off and on. The only way to turn the PS3 off is to hit the PS button. Stop does work to take you back to the XMB but not to turn off the unit.

Turning on the PS3 is a tougher nut because as of right now the USB ports have no power and cannot turn on the PS3. So the IR dongles won't turn on the PS3 even if they were able to send the PS button code to the PS3. Maybe someone will come out with a USB dongle that can also send just the wake-up code via USB. Or even better maybe Sony will come to their senses and figure out a way for the USB ports to be able to wake up the unit (if that's even physically possible with the current hardware architecture, which is unknown).

Powering the USB ports in standby should be trivial. We already know power is going to the general vicinity (ala the touch sensitive power/eject buttons).

My Denon 4306 has the option available in it's setup menu to leave the USB and ethernet powered... should be a mere firmware fix to make the PS3 do the same since it's never really "Off" unless you hit the switch on the back.

As is, I near always turn the PS3 on via disc (either game or Blu-ray) and off after I pick up said disc. I had the same behavior using the Sony bluetooth remote turning on, except I used to turn it off beforehand (then we couldn't eject from XMB but I could power off remotely, so I had to go over there anyways since I rarely, if ever, leave a disc inside the PS3).

I have no need for this and it's still unopened in the plastic wrap thingy. This is not the new and improved one, it's the one that was for sale (http://www.schmartz.com/product.sc?categoryId=1&productId=1) less than a month ago.

$22 shipped USPS. Contact me at starbox@verizon.net.

does anyone prefer watching SD DVD's on their PS3 or their 360? I dont like watching them on the PS3 via double scale, and am wondering if there is any difference between the 2 systems........?

Have you tried the different upscale options for DVD? Some look better than others on the PS3...but then again it depends on the type of display.

BTW, does this dongle thingy have a way of updating the firmware if you come out with updates?

Being able to emulate the home key is appealing. Some of the Madkatz USB game controllers do this also. I've yet to figure out the magic USB packet though. Still working on it.I'll ditch my Logic3 dongle and purchase yours if you get the home key working.

I mainly use my PS3 for music (as a UPnP client), and this button is very useful. It allows you to browse for other music or the XMB in general, while playing music.

does this mean all back orders will be shipping?Powering the USB ports in standby should be trivial. We already know power is going to the general vicinity (ala the touch sensitive power/eject buttons).

My Denon 4306 has the option available in it's setup menu to leave the USB and ethernet powered... should be a mere firmware fix to make the PS3 do the same since it's never really "Off" unless you hit the switch on the back.

As is, I near always turn the PS3 on via disc (either game or Blu-ray) and off after I pick up said disc. I had the same behavior using the Sony bluetooth remote turning on, except I used to turn it off beforehand (then we couldn't eject from XMB but I could power off remotely, so I had to go over there anyways since I rarely, if ever, leave a disc inside the PS3).

The plastic looks great and the new layout tested good! So, weeeeere baaaaaaack.... rock and roll

I hope to finish filling all backorders on Monday since I now have plenty of stock. However, I may not get caught up in a single day. I'll give it a go.

The firmware is still the same solid version as before. I haven't added any new features.

-Mike

Great, will we be receiving a tracking # when it ships?
Thank You -
The plastic looks great and the new layout tested good! So, weeeeere baaaaaaack.... rock and roll

I hope to finish filling all backorders on Monday since I now have plenty of stock. However, I may not get caught up in a single day. I'll give it a go.

The firmware is still the same solid version as before. I haven't added any new features.

-Mike

Mike, I am pretty interested in this, but it would be great if you could post what the remote can do, will do, hopefully will do - what we can expect of the on/off feature - why this is better than similar products (the Nyco...), etc. on your webpage. This thread is all over the place. Thank you.

Great, will we be receiving a tracking # when it ships?
Thank You -

Only for UPS. USPS doesn't offer tracking.

-Mike

Mike, I am pretty interested in this, but it would be great if you could post what the remote can do, will do, hopefully will do - what we can expect of the on/off feature - why this is better than similar products (the Nyco...), etc. on your webpage. This thread is all over the place. Thank you.

Yes. If you go to Schmartz.com (http://www.schmartz.com) and click on the product thumbnail picture, it will bring up a full page describing the PS3IRX1 in detail. As you will see there, it WILL NOT turn the PS3 on or off. I am convinced that turming the PS3 off is possible in a future version. However, I have yet to figure it out and make no claim that it will be done anytime soon. It is more difficult than I had first imagined. Also, without changes from Sony, there is no way to ever turn the PS3 ON via a USB device cleanly for many reasons.

Having said all that... I am experimenting in my Lab with another method to turn the PS3 ON and OFF without needing help from Sony. I may be able to offer this solution sometime in the beginning of 2008. It will cost more and in my opinion, is not really suited for the mainstream retail market.

As far as the competition: this is not the proper forum to make a sales pitch. If you spend some time reading the earlier posts you will get a feeling for the available products. I will say that many of my customers have purchased the other units and then discarded them in favour of buying one of my products.

As a fellow PS3 enthusiast, I am frequently posting here and am dedicated to adjusting the firmware as needed to overcome any issues created by changes in the PS3 firmware or unique Bluray Disk configurations. For instance, Pirates of the Caribbean - Dead Man's Chest remaps some of the important buttons on the game controller. Based on feedback and information from this forum, I have tweaked the latest PS3IRX1 firmware to allow for this.

I agree with you that it would be great if someone would post a sticky at the beginning of this forum that would include a summary of the various issues and a comparison of the available solutions. being biased of course, I'm not the one to do this. Perhaps one of the moderators will do this soon :D(hint hint).

Newbie PS3'r here. Got the PS2/PS3 usb adaptor. Got the old playstation remote and ir reveiver. My Home theater remote is an MX-500. I pretty much got triangle to work and play/pause. ANY MX 500 users out there that can help me get most of the codes to work on the MX 500????

yes they do.
unless your just sticking a stamp on it.Only for UPS. USPS doesn't offer tracking.

-Mike

hey MMuecke. i sent you a private message asking about my order, if it has been shipped. check your mailbox on here and let me know. thanks

Mike, one of my questions is, let's say you get the "off" feature working, or some other similar thing - would it just be a free software update or another purchase? (I realize "on" is a whole different thing entirely.)

Mike,

Thanks for your hard work. You convinced me this morning to buy your device and a Harmony 1000. Hope it comes in soon. Wife is going nuts pressing, triangle, square, circle............

Thanks for your hard work. You convinced me this morning to buy your device and a Harmony 1000. Hope it comes in soon. Wife is going nuts pressing, triangle, square, circle............
My Harmony 1000 arrived today and I am waiting for the USB dongle that I ordered on Monday.

I am a long time harmony user and couldn't be happier. That said, the 1000 apparently is more sensitive to USB voltage which I believe is 5 Volts - my 7 year old PC's USB voltage apparently is a bit low and the 1000 would not install. After a few hours on the phone with a great Tech Support unit, we concluded the 1000 was defective. They asked if I would try on another computer - I went to my wife's office and used her lap top and had no problem.

I'll report back after I get the USB dongle.

My Harmony 1000 arrived today and I am waiting for the USB dongle that I ordered on Monday.

I am a long time harmony user and couldn't be happier. That said, the 1000 apparently is more sensitive to USB voltage which I believe is 5 Volts - my 7 year old PC's USB voltage apparently is a bit low and the 1000 would not install. After a few hours on the phone with a great Tech Support unit, we concluded the 1000 was defective. They asked if I would try on another computer - I went to my wife's office and used her lap top and had no problem.

I'll report back after I get the USB dongle.

Wow, that's interesting. Any officially sanctioned USB device should be able to enumerate at as low as 4.1V and after enumeration, work with anything between 4.75V and 5.25V. But the usual kicker is, some USB ports only supply the minimum 100mA of current. That is still in spec. If the USB device needs more current, the OS should complain instead of just not working. Some really cheap PCs just bring out one of the bulk 5V supplies through a cheezy ribbon cable. That can cause problems too.

Logitech is extremely expensive but usually, their stuff is correspondingly robust and easy to use. For fun, you might try a new BELKIN powered hub on your old PC. That will tell you if it really is a power issue. They look cool and you can plug stuff in right on your desktop instead of the back of your computer.

Also, I have shipped everything out as of wednesday. I decided to handle the issues caused by the Pirates of the Caribbean disk before I sent them out so I didn't start fullfillment until Tuesday afternoon. That was a ton of orders to get out! No complaints though.:D

yes they do.
unless your just sticking a stamp on it.

If you pay more USPS can add tracking. However, I don't offer that as an option because UPS ground is faster and not much more than USPS with tracking. Plus their tracking is not nearly as good.

Bottom line is. No UPS no tracking.

hey MMuecke. i sent you a private message asking about my order, if it has been shipped. check your mailbox on here and let me know. thanks

Everyone please use the contact option at Schmartz.com for any private questions.

Only post here if it may have interest for everyone. Otherwise it makes it harder to find posts that offer a solution or advice. That's what this forum is for.

Thanks,
Mike

Mike, one of my questions is, let's say you get the "off" feature working, or some other similar thing - would it just be a free software update or another purchase? (I realize "on" is a whole different thing entirely.)

Well hopefully this is one instance when I can mention dollar amounts without violating the rules here.

I can reprogram any unit for a $10 fee plus shipping. I've toyed with the idea of making it programmable through a PC but, that is way more complicated to support than the product itself. Plus, it would make it too easy for a competitor to rip off the code.

The firmware is pretty mature at this point. I have a large enough user base that I have probably had enough feedback as to any required changes by now. Adding the power off feature is likely the only reason for a major firmware tweak at this point in my opinion.

Also, if anyone want's the new version. I will offer a $10 credit for the old one. Simply order a new one and send the old one back via snail mail. I'll credit your account when it arrives.

I agree it doesn't cost more but unfortunately you charge a lot more for that option (ups)on your site. also, if you use click-n-ship or stamps dot com you get free tracking with any label you print.
hope this helps - If you pay more USPS can add tracking. However, I don't offer that as an option because UPS ground is faster and not much more than USPS with tracking. Plus their tracking is not nearly as good.

Bottom line is. No UPS no tracking.

Personally I side with MMuecke on the tracking question. USPS tracking is worthless. It doesn't update dynamically, is not tracked throughout it's progress across states. Basically, all you get is one status message that says your package was picked up for processing, then it shows up in your mailbox sometime later. You never get a notice or update for a scheduled delivery. So, what is the value of a tracking number from the USPS? I say it isn't worth any extra cost.

first of all there is no side to take, and secondly I just got done saying its free.
although it doesnt update as it should you atleast get the specifics, like it has shipped and what address its coming to etc.. its something.. which usually is better then nothing.
that was my point.


Personally I side with MMuecke on the tracking question. USPS tracking is worthless. It doesn't update dynamically, is not tracked throughout it's progress across states. Basically, all you get is one status message that says your package was picked up for processing, then it shows up in your mailbox sometime later. You never get a notice or update for a scheduled delivery. So, what is the value of a tracking number from the USPS? I say it isn't worth any extra cost.

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Logitech is extremely expensive but usually, their stuff is correspondingly robust and easy to use. For fun, you might try a new BELKIN powered hub on your old PC. That will tell you if it really is a power issue. They look cool and you can plug stuff in right on your desktop instead of the back of your computer.
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Thanks for the suggestion.

I went out and got a powered Belkin USB Hub. Still doesn't work. :(

I also have found Logitech to be expensive but usually there are deep discounts to be had - I got my 1000 remote at 40% off.

As a Logitech shareholder I must say I am pleased with their performance - my shares have more than doubled in the past 15 months. :)

Well hopefully this is one instance when I can mention dollar amounts without violating the rules here.

I can reprogram any unit for a $10 fee plus shipping. I've toyed with the idea of making it programmable through a PC but, that is way more complicated to support than the product itself. Plus, it would make it too easy for a competitor to rip off the code.

The firmware is pretty mature at this point. I have a large enough user base that I have probably had enough feedback as to any required changes by now. Adding the power off feature is likely the only reason for a major firmware tweak at this point in my opinion.

Also, if anyone want's the new version. I will offer a $10 credit for the old one. Simply order a new one and send the old one back via snail mail. I'll credit your account when it arrives.


so are you saying the power off feature is a viable option here in the near future?

so are you saying the power off feature is a viable option here in the near future?

As posted earlier in detail:) I'm working on it. It's harder to do than I expected so no guarantees as to when I finally get it done.

-Mike

Thanks for the suggestion.

I went out and got a powered Belkin USB Hub. Still doesn't work. :(

I also have found Logitech to be expensive but usually there are deep discounts to be had - I got my 1000 remote at 40% off.

As a Logitech shareholder I must say I am pleased with their performance - my shares have more than doubled in the past 15 months. :)

Hmmm... even more interesting. So at least you know it's not a power problem now (assuming you plugged the wall wart into the hub). If you still want to figure out why it doesn't work on your computer. Let me know more details on "how" it doesn't work. Perhaps I can help.

Hmmm... even more interesting. So at least you know it's not a power problem now (assuming you plugged the wall wart into the hub). If you still want to figure out why it doesn't work on your computer. Let me know more details on "how" it doesn't work. Perhaps I can help.
Logitech provides (download) software that acts as the go between for my Harmony Remote and my account as their www site. I set up my softwatre on-line and download it to the remote via USB. When I plug in my old Harmony, everything works fine. When I plug in my new 1000 remote, my computer detects a new device but the software does not see it - it tells me to push a button to wake it up.

If more info is needed I'll send a PM so as to not side-track this great thread.

first of all there is no side to take, and secondly I just got done saying its free.
although it doesnt update as it should you atleast get the specifics, like it has shipped and what address its coming to etc.. its something.. which usually is better then nothing.
that was my point.

Well, thanks for the input anyway, both of you. The good news is, when each item is shipped, an email always goes out with the ship date and address. For UPS, a tracking number is also supplied. For international customers, the address provided is the spoofed one used to get my lame shopping cart to process an international order so the real address address is not printed out.

Well, thanks for the input anyway, both of you. The good news is, when each item is shipped, an email always goes out with the ship date and address. For UPS, a tracking number is also supplied. For international customers, the address provided is the spoofed one used to get my lame shopping cart to process an international order so the real address address is not printed out.
Mike,

I just received my USBIRX3 via US Mail. I could not be happier! I'm using it with my new Harmony 1000 and it works perfectly. I put the PS3 DVD remote in that drawer where remotes go to die. :)

A caution. The USBIRX3 came in a box maybe 4" on each side. Peanuts packed around it. I very carefully (not) dumped the peanuts in the trash and found an empty box.:( Turns out the USBIRX3 is about the size and weight of one of the peanuts and of course was now in with the coffee grounds in the trash. The good news is that Mike has the device in a tiny sealed plastic bag!

Thanks Mike for an elegant solution!

MMuecke,

Question about the PS3IRX1. I have a friend who owns a Sony BD standalone player (the first one they released), could I use his remote with your dongle or does it have to be the PS2 remote codes?

I am a long time harmony user and couldn't be happier. That said, the 1000 apparently is more sensitive to USB voltage which I believe is 5 Volts - my 7 year old PC's USB voltage apparently is a bit low and the 1000 would not install. After a few hours on the phone with a great Tech Support unit, we concluded the 1000 was defective. They asked if I would try on another computer - I went to my wife's office and used her lap top and had no problem. ...

Final saga. Brought wife's laptop home today and attempted to update the remote - same problem of it not being seen. I'm thinking firewall problem.

Will probably be a while before I resolve it. I have two artificial knees and one has gone south on me - surgery this Tuesday followed by lots of drugs and painful rehab. :):(

For instance, Pirates of the Caribbean - Dead Man's Chest remaps some of the important buttons on the game controller. Based on feedback and information from this forum, I have tweaked the latest PS3IRX1 firmware to allow for this.


Does this require modification by me? I'm currently using the PS2 remote and it really is not usable for Pirates of the Caribbean. I've also had similar problems with at least 2 other BR movies. So, your device is still able to still function appropriately for these situations?

Thanks

I have harmony 670 and add device game console with dvd - sony - PlayStation 2 and I cant get any commands to work in anything, still need ps3 controller.
what am I missing here???
all other devices and functions are working.
setup consists of av receiver sony strdg710, tv sony KDS-50A2020, Direct tv HR-20, PS3.

everything works fine on remote but no control whatsoever over ps3.
wtf??

I just received my PS3IRX1 yesterday. Not having any luck in getting it to work. I do not think the PS3 is seeing it when plugged in. Initially, plugged it into port 4 and powered up the PS3. Have tried multiple ports and have power-cycled the PS3 numerous times. I am not sure how to check if it is active on the PS3. With a controller plugged into port 1 and the PS3IRX1 in port 4, if I hold the PS button on the controller, only port 1 is lit.

I have tried multiple remotes as well; my harmony 880, various jp1 files with a jp1 remote, standard universal remote on Sony DVD.

There was a fair amount of super glue residue both on the black plastic and on the usb connector. Does not look like it would affect the electrical connection.

Any help or suggestions would be great.

I just received my PS3IRX1 yesterday. Not having any luck in getting it to work. I do not think the PS3 is seeing it when plugged in. Initially, plugged it into port 4 and powered up the PS3. Have tried multiple ports and have power-cycled the PS3 numerous times. I am not sure how to check if it is active on the PS3. With a controller plugged into port 1 and the PS3IRX1 in port 4, if I hold the PS button on the controller, only port 1 is lit.

I have tried multiple remotes as well; my harmony 880, various jp1 files with a jp1 remote, standard universal remote on Sony DVD.

There was a fair amount of super glue residue both on the black plastic and on the usb connector. Does not look like it would affect the electrical connection.

Any help or suggestions would be great.

PLEASE TRY THIS FIRST!
Using some smallish metal screwdriver, shine up the 4 USB contacts on the connector. I'm thinking that it's possible that the outgasing of the superglue has oxydized the connector surface while in the plastic bag. Unfortunately the USB connector is not the best mechanical design and everything must be perfect to work.

A quick check to see if the PS3IRX1 is working is to plug it into a PC. It will show up as a game controller device. If you go to control panel and click on game controllers, a box will show up listing any detected game controllers. This verifies that the USB portion works. Then click on the properties tab and a display comes up that will show a red light for each button pushed on the remote. This verifies the infrared link. This method can help locate what is not working properly.

Please let me know the results. I just sent a bunch of devices out in the wild, I would like to know if there is a problem.

Thanks
-Mike

I have harmony 670 and add device game console with dvd - sony - PlayStation 2 and I cant get any commands to work in anything, still need ps3 controller.
what am I missing here???
all other devices and functions are working.
setup consists of av receiver sony strdg710, tv sony KDS-50A2020, Direct tv HR-20, PS3.

everything works fine on remote but no control whatsoever over ps3.
wtf??

Please see the earlier post for some things to try. Please let me know right away if you still have any problems. Y'all have me worried here. I just sent a ton of these out this week!

-Mike

Final saga. Brought wife's laptop home today and attempted to update the remote - same problem of it not being seen. I'm thinking firewall problem.

Will probably be a while before I resolve it. I have two artificial knees and one has gone south on me - surgery this Tuesday followed by lots of drugs and painful rehab. :):(

Firewall problem could make the communication the Logitech site not work, however, it shouldn't stop you from seeing the USB device.

Good luck on your surgery!

MMuecke,

Question about the PS3IRX1. I have a friend who owns a Sony BD standalone player (the first one they released), could I use his remote with your dongle or does it have to be the PS2 remote codes?

As long as it uses the same Sony DVD codes. But I wouldn't know for sure. If you just want a stand-alone remote solution, why not buy Sony's remote? It's pretty inexpensive. My device is designed for the niche market that needs a way to integrate the PS3 into a larger home theater setup using standard IR universal remotes.

No go Mike.

Hit the contacts three times, a little more aggressively each try. Buffed the outside on the off chance the visible residue was the problem. Will not register on two different laptops (Vista x64, Vista x32).

Before I started, the contacts looked OK, but as you know, kind of hard to see.

Anything else I can try?

Lance

No go Mike.

Hit the contacts three times, a little more aggressively each try. Buffed the outside on the off chance the visible residue was the problem. Will not register on two different laptops (Vista x64, Vista x32).

Before I started, the contacts looked OK, but as you know, kind of hard to see.

Anything else I can try?

Lance

NO, that should have done it. It should show up in the game controller window on any windows version. I apologize for the inconveneience but it appears to be DOA. Please request a replacement via Schmartz.com so that I can know where to send it. I'll get another one right out. I've been lucky so far, that is the first DOA since I've been shipping. Bound to happen sooner or later I guess. Bummer.

Please send the first one back via snail mail so I can look into what happened.

pc doesn't even see it.
looks like is defective.

pc doesn't even see it.
looks like is defective.

Ditto, please request a new one via Schmartz.com and send the DOA one back to me via snail mail. Sorry for the inconvenience. I still have a glimmer of hope that these two DOAs are the only ones. I have received some very happy emails too so I know some of them work fine. I pretty much worked around the clock for a few days getting all these out in a rush. Maybe somehow I didn't program yours. I was getting pretty tired.

On a different note, do you like the new look? Some good news would be appreciated.

-Mike

Does this require modification by me? I'm currently using the PS2 remote and it really is not usable for Pirates of the Caribbean. I've also had similar problems with at least 2 other BR movies. So, your device is still able to still function appropriately for these situations?

Thanks

Do you happen to recall what the other BR movies are that had this problem? I'm very curious to see if anything besides POTC: DMC is doing this sort of button remapping.

A (somewhat annoying) workaround for POTC, if you've got the PS2 remote, is to use the "controller" buttons on the remote instead of the DVD function buttons. I.e., press L2 and R2 for rewind and FF, and use Start for pause/play.

yes, I like the design.
small and simple, cant even see it.
looks like after i tinkered around with it I seem to have it working now.
quick question, is there anyway to map the "home" or ps3 logo button? the reason I ask is if your playing mp3's u can hit that button and go back to your list without interupting the current song thats playing.
outside of that seems to work fine now.
Ditto, please request a new one via Schmartz.com and send the DOA one back to me via snail mail. Sorry for the inconvenience. I still have a glimmer of hope that these two DOAs are the only ones. I have received some very happy emails too so I know some of them work fine. I pretty much worked around the clock for a few days getting all these out in a rush. Maybe somehow I didn't program yours. I was getting pretty tired.

On a different note, do you like the new look? Some good news would be appreciated.

-Mike

Firewall problem could make the communication the Logitech site not work, however, it shouldn't stop you from seeing the USB device.

Good luck on your surgery!
Thanks, Mike. My PC does see the Remote - it's Logitech's site that does not see it and gives me a message to hit a remote key to wake it up. As I say, the old Harmony remote worked fine.

I'll pursue it with Logitech and also Fios if needed.

yes, I like the design.
small and simple, cant even see it.
looks like after i tinkered around with it I seem to have it working now.
quick question, is there anyway to map the "home" or ps3 logo button? the reason I ask is if your playing mp3's u can hit that button and go back to your list without interupting the current song thats playing.
outside of that seems to work fine now.

Thank God, I thought I was dealling with a bad batch for a moment. I am looking into implementing the "HOME" button. No joy as of yet. But it should be doable. I've put in some serious hours on it already.

BTW, there is about a 6 second delay before the PS3IRX1 starts up so that the wireless controller will be able to grab controller #1 address. Also, when testing on windows XP and later versions, it sometimes takes several minutes for windows to get around to noticing that you have plugged in any new USB device for the first time. After that it sees it right away. One of those frustrating windows things.

I appreciate any feedback. Good or bad. It really helps.

Have fun!

Do you happen to recall what the other BR movies are that had this problem? I'm very curious to see if anything besides POTC: DMC is doing this sort of button remapping.

A (somewhat annoying) workaround for POTC, if you've got the PS2 remote, is to use the "controller" buttons on the remote instead of the DVD function buttons. I.e., press L2 and R2 for rewind and FF, and use Start for pause/play.

Thanks for the suggestion. I don't remember the other titles off of the top of my head. I'll review my Netflix info and see if I can find the titles for you.

Do you know how this new solution handles these troublesome movies?

Thanks for the suggestion. I don't remember the other titles off of the top of my head. I'll review my Netflix info and see if I can find the titles for you.

Do you know how this new solution handles these troublesome movies?

The problem with POTC: DMC, at least, is that it disables the left and right directional buttons on the controller from acting as rewind/FF, and the X button from acting as play/pause. (This happens with the Sixaxis controller too, not just the USBIRX3.) The USBIRX3 looks to the PS3 like a USB game controller, so it has to match each IR code sent by the remote to a button press on that virtual game controller. E.g., the game controller doesn't have a Play button, so when you send that code, the USBIRX3 tells the PS3 that you pressed the X button.

In the original firmware, at least, it mapped FF/Rewind on your PS2 remote to the left/right buttons, and Play and Pause to X. Therefore, those buttons don't appear to work in POTC, but if you use the remote buttons for L2/R2 and Start (which correspond directly to buttons on the controller), those work properly.

I believe Mike M. has changed the button mappings in later versions of the firmware to avoid this problem with POTC. From what he's said here previously, you can mail the unit back to him for a firmware update, and you just pay his cost of shipping to return it to you.

As long as it uses the same Sony DVD codes. But I wouldn't know for sure. If you just want a stand-alone remote solution, why not buy Sony's remote? It's pretty inexpensive. My device is designed for the niche market that needs a way to integrate the PS3 into a larger home theater setup using standard IR universal remotes.
Oh no, I have a Harmony remote and want to use it. I was just wandering if you could tell the Harmony software that you have a standalone Sony BD player, so that it automatically loads those remote codes, and still work with your dongle. It would just make set-up easier and you wouldn't have to fool around with PS2 buttons codes like X O etc. Would also avoid the POTC issue and any future issues like it that may occur.

I'm going to buy the new 40g that only has 2 usb ports. Could I use this product and still have 2 controllers? Thanks.

MMuecke, my PS3IRX1 was not working Out of Box, but I hit the contacts with a pocket knife a few times, now all is well!! :D

I'm going to buy the new 40g that only has 2 usb ports. Could I use this product and still have 2 controllers? Thanks.

Yes, the USB ports are used to charge the controllers only as they are wireless. You can have the USB dongle in one USB port and have the other one ready to charge a controller when needed.

Another question:

On most Blu-Ray remotes (even the PS3 bluetooth remote) there are 2 menu buttons... a Pop UP Menu button and a Top Menu button (which takes you back to the main menu that some Blu-Rays have). Are there codes with the PS3IRX1 for both of these functions?


EDIT: Just order a PS3IRX1... How long does it usually take you to ship out an item. Thanks again for your work, can't wait to get this product and be able to use my Harmony remote.

Still waiting for mine from Mike, but I did get the Harmony 1000 in (for dirt cheap) and........its absolutely the most innovative device in my Home Theater. I can't believe it took so long for me to get one.

MMuecke, my PS3IRX1 was not working Out of Box, but I hit the contacts with a pocket knife a few times, now all is well!! :D

Thanks for the feedback. It really helps. I think I'm going to have to change to a different connector vendor.

-Mike

Another question:

On most Blu-Ray remotes (even the PS3 bluetooth remote) there are 2 menu buttons... a Pop UP Menu button and a Top Menu button (which takes you back to the main menu that some Blu-Rays have). Are there codes with the PS3IRX1 for both of these functions?


EDIT: Just order a PS3IRX1... How long does it usually take you to ship out an item. Thanks again for your work, can't wait to get this product and be able to use my Harmony remote.

Your order will go out today!

Still waiting for mine from Mike, but I did get the Harmony 1000 in (for dirt cheap) and........its absolutely the most innovative device in my Home Theater. I can't believe it took so long for me to get one.

Everything is shipped and is on schedule. I show a UPS delivery today for LA. but, I can't tell for sure it's yours by your AVS info. If there are any shipping questions, don't hesitate to contact me at Schmartz.com

-Mike

New design
The new units are much easier to build so I am ready to ramp up the volume now. I do still have to tweak the plastic. I wanted to be able to do a plastic rivet process to attach the plastic but I didn't leave enough plastic poking out through the hole. Doh! So for now, I have to super glue it. I'm still wanting feedback but, it seems that the super glue out gases while in the plastic bag. This leaves a residue and may contribute to the connector issue. They look great when I put 'em in the bag honest! But based on feedback, it seems they may look unsightly (finger prints, et.) after they stay in the bag for a few days. Speaking of cosmetics. The new shiny plastic is impossible to keep pristine. It shows every single teeny tiny scratch. But then again, so does the PS3 as I found out when taking the pictures for the website. My PS3 looks like it was in a cat fight and it has just been sitting on the shelf in my home theater. My suggestion is, enjoy the new looks and don't bother tilting the unit just right to look for scratches. There will always be scratches, the shiny black finish does not hide anything. But it does match the PS3 finish perfectly (in every way)!

Connector Issue
Yes, this is real. It seems that the USB connector can get oxidized and when this happens, the unit appears dead. Shining up the contacts will fix this problem. I still don't understand why this happens. My guess is the parts sit too long at the supplier. Funny thing is though, I test every unit before they are shipped. But, I have noticed that some units I have to replug. Perhaps, if I clean the contacts before they go out, this issue will go away. I'm also looking into another connector vendor. Until then, when in doubt, please clean up the contacts! And anyone with this problem, please let me know so I can track how often this happens. But, please feedback through the website so as to keep this forum clean. I'll post any results here.

Shipping
Now that I am caught up, anything ordered before noon generally goes out the same day. Unless you want it overnight or need to have tracking, I would recommend using the priority mail option. It's cheaper and tends to get there faster than UPS ground! It usually takes no more than 3 days. Most orders arrive in 2 days. This may change around Christmas though.

POTC-DMC
I have remapped the keys to work properly with this rogue release. I would be interested if there are any other BDs out there that have different key mappings. Rumor has it, there may be others. I wouldn't expect anyone to want to get their unit reprogrammed just for this issue since you can remap any controller keys in your remote anyway.

Home Key
Now that the new hardware is out (whew!), I am going to work on adding home key support. When this gets done, I would expect some will want to send their units in for an update. I can turn them around the same day and since priority mail works so well, it won't be too inconvenient. I will need to charge a small processing fee (TBD).

Full power ON/OFF Control
Next on my agenda is a $50 unit that will turn the PS3 On and OFF via a small sticker over the front panel 0/1 power button. I have proven this works in the lab but I still need to tweak the standby power circuit and do a layout. It is a much more complicated solution. Since the PS3 doesn't supply power at the USB connector when it is off, I have to store enough power to detect an IR command and turn the PS3 on. I'm hoping to make it such that as long as you use it once a week it will stay charged. But, that is still TBD. This is a solution for a smaller niche market. It's clever but, I wouldn't expect everyone would want to apply a sticker to the PS3 front panel. There will also be a tiny wire from the sticker to the PS3IR_PWR device. The sticker will blend in to the front panel and display the same 0/1 button graphic. You will still be able to use this button to manually turn on the PS3 for convenience.

Contacting Installers
I would be interested in figuring out how to let home theater installers know about my product. If anyone has any ideas for where to get the message out, I'm all ears. But please contact me at Schmartz.com instead of here. I wouldn't want to side track the solutions forum.

Sorry for the long post but I was seeing the same questions a lot and figured this may help. I hope everyone likes the new look. Any feedback, good or bad, is really helpful.

-Mike

You should contact Cedia.org for a list of their certified dealers, then email each sales staff. Contact Circuit Sity, BestBuy, etc: sales AND tech support. They will want to know that this is possible. Give them a Memo to foward to their staff. Contact Sony tech support at: ServiceTechnicalSupport@am.sony.com
Also, I use Deoxit D5 spray to clean and de-oxidize contacts. IT WORKS!
You SHOULD be able to easily mod a PS3 USB port for Always 5 or 3.3V at the USB connector with a 1N4148 diode.

Mike,
Your USBIRX3 works great. Took a small bit of time with the Harmony 1000 to get it just right. My only issue is with the Harmony. I mapped Menu and Top menu to Square and Triangle and now it says Square and Triangle where Menu and Top Menu used to be. Minor annoyance I guess with Harmony.

Upgraded the PS3 to Firmware 2.0 and so far so good.

Thanks again Mike.

You should contact Cedia.org for a list of their certified dealers, then email each sales staff. Contact Circuit Sity, BestBuy, etc: sales AND tech support. They will want to know that this is possible. Give them a Memo to foward to their staff. Contact Sony tech support at: ServiceTechnicalSupport@am.sony.com
Also, I use Deoxit D5 spray to clean and de-oxidize contacts. IT WORKS!
You SHOULD be able to easily mod a PS3 USB port for Always 5 or 3.3V at the USB connector with a 1N4148 diode.

Thanks for the input. I'll give the D5 a try also. Are you suggesting there are enough hackers out there that would crack open their PS3 to add power? Or were you thinking about installers. Seems to ne this would void the warranty.

I believe his suggestion re installers was so that they knew about your device not about getting the USB powered. You'd be surprised how many installers aren't geeky into HT and probably have never come to a site like this.

with the new 2.0 firmare update, could universal remotes work with the simple off the shelf IR adaptors now for turning the system on and off?

like the Nyko or Darklite?

With reference to the 2.0 software upgrade someone in the UK has reported the following.
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"It might have been mentioned earlier in the thread but I don't have time to look atm

If you enable remote switch on the usb ports stay powered when the system is in standby, mind you I haven't checked without the feature on so it may be a general change."

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If true could the PS3IRX1 power the PS 3 on and off?

astrosmurf, thanks for the suggestion, but you might want to read back a few pages in this thread. Some of us have experienced all manner of headaches with the Nyko BluWave. I wound up returning it to Amazon after Nyko replaced my unit with another that had exactly the same problem. You also might want to double-check whether your Nyko experiences the "up-arrow bug" described previously, while you're still within the store's return period.

I can recommend very highly Mike Muecke's USBIRX3, which I bought after sending back the Nyko, and which works perfectly.

Good news for Nyko owners! After updating to FW 2.0 it seems that the Nyko "up-arrow bug" has been resolved! Now there is about a 3 second lag when entering your first IR command to the PS3, but it's snappy as ever after the first input and it no longer goes "UP" with the first command!

With FW 2.0, if the Nyko USB dongle is plugged in, the controller now defaults to Player 1 if you use the PS button to turn on the PS3. Yes!

With reference to the 2.0 software upgrade someone in the UK has reported the following.
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"It might have been mentioned earlier in the thread but I don't have time to look atm

If you enable remote switch on the usb ports stay powered when the system is in standby, mind you I haven't checked without the feature on so it may be a general change."

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If true could the PS3IRX1 power the PS 3 on and off?

What do you mean by remote switch?

So is the nyko now the best choice after FW 2.0?

What do you mean by remote switch?

I think he's referring to a new Remote Start setting under Remote Play Settings."Sets whether to turn on the PS3 system automatically when a PSP system connects for remote play".

Good news for Nyko owners! After updating to FW 2.0 it seems that the Nyko "up-arrow bug" has been resolved! Now there is about a 3 second lag when entering your first IR command to the PS3, but it's snappy as ever after the first input and it no longer goes "UP" with the first command!I'll take that lag vs. the "up" command any day. Excellent! Looking forward to checking it out.

Now let's keep the USB ports at all times please, and enable power on/off.;)

Your order will go out today!
Received my PS3IRX1 yesterday and spent the night programming my Harmony remote. Everything works great and I absolutely love it. Glad I can finally go back to using just one remote.

Only 2 things really annoy me (other then the power on/off issue) but they are not the fault of the PS3IRX1 but the way the PS3 handles the remote codes. 1 - There is no direct button access to eject a disc and 2 - There is no "main menu" button for Blu-Ray movies. The pop up menu works great but, some BDs have a main menu and I can't find a direct button code to access that (you can access it through the OSD control panel though). Oh well, these are minor annoyances and I'm very happy with your product Mike, thanks.

.....There is no "main menu" button for Blu-Ray movies. The pop up menu works great but, some BDs have a main menu and I can't find a direct button code to access that (you can access it through the OSD control panel though). Oh well, these are minor annoyances and I'm very happy with your product Mike, thanks.

I mapped the disc menu to square. So where Menu is on the Harmony is the word square and the disc menu appears on screen.

Is that what you mean?

So is the nyko now the best choice after FW 2.0?

Well, it now appears to do some of the things more or less properly that the USBIRX3/PS3IRX1 have been doing for a long time now, and it's no longer actually broken (at least based on initial reports). However, considering Nyko's dubious record of technical support, and the fact that Mike Muecke is still working to improve the capabilities of the PS3IRX1 with abilities like Home button functionality and power off (maybe even power on someday), I'd say the PS3IRX1 is still the way to go.

Not to mention, you'd be supporting a guy who's put a whole lot of effort into developing a product that this community needed when there were no alternatives, which ought to count for something.

I mapped the disc menu to square. So where Menu is on the Harmony is the word square and the disc menu appears on screen.

Is that what you mean?
No... square brings up the "pop up" menu, which works fine for me. Most, or many, BDs have a main menu and all BD remotes have a button that can access this main menu directly. They PlayStation controller doesn't seem to have a button that will directly access this menu. The Sony PS3 bluetooth remote labels this button as "Top Menu" and then has a second menu button labeled as "Pop Up Menu." The "top menu" option under the PS2 button codes on my Harmony just brings up the on screen control panel (same as hitting triangle). This is not really a big deal, just a minor annoyance because there are other was to access the main menu.

EDIT: added the word "not" in the last sentence because that is what I meant to say.

No... square brings up the "pop up" menu, which works fine for me. Most, or many, BDs have a main menu and all BD remotes have a button that can access this main menu directly. They PlayStation controller doesn't seem to have a button that will directly access this menu. The Sony PS3 bluetooth remote labels this button as "Top Menu" and then has a second menu button labeled as "Pop Up Menu." The "top menu" option under the PS2 button codes on my Harmony just brings up the on screen control panel (same as hitting triangle). This is really a big deal, just a minor annoyance because there are other was to access the main menu.

Unfortunately, due to the PS3 USB interface, it seems like what you can do with the PS3IRX1 (or any other USB-connected remote) is limited to what you can do with the controller.

Well, it now appears to do some of the things more or less properly that the USBIRX3/PS3IRX1 have been doing for a long time now, and it's no longer actually broken (at least based on initial reports). However, considering Nyko's dubious record of technical support, and the fact that Mike Muecke is still working to improve the capabilities of the PS3IRX1 with abilities like Home button functionality and power off (maybe even power on someday), I'd say the PS3IRX1 is still the way to go.

Not to mention, you'd be supporting a guy who's put a whole lot of effort into developing a product that this community needed when there were no alternatives, which ought to count for something.
I think this is well said and something of a rarity in these times. I second it and will remain a supporter and fan of Mike's current and future efforts. Also, I believe his PS3IRX1 is a superior approach. :)

Not to mention, you'd be supporting a guy who's put a whole lot of effort into developing a product that this community needed when there were no alternatives, which ought to count for something.

Absolutely! I haven't actually purchased PS3IRX1 yet (or even the PS3 come to that), but will be doing so in the near future. As a matter of fact, I had talked myself out of buying the PS3 (to be used primarily as a BluRay player) since I wouldn't be able to control it with my Harmony remote. Sony really ought to thank Mike for his work because that was what convinced me to get the PS3 after all.

With FW 2.0, if the Nyko USB dongle is plugged in, the controller now defaults to Player 1 if you use the PS button to turn on the PS3. Yes!

FYI I just turned on my PS3 (2.0) with the sixaxis and it still set the controller at port 2. So the Nyko still has that problem - not that big IMO but still thought people should know. Although I'm quite happy with the Nyko I would get the PS3IRX1 if I had to do it over again to support the little guy.

Received my PS3IRX1 yesterday and spent the night programming my Harmony remote. Everything works great and I absolutely love it. Glad I can finally go back to using just one remote.

Only 2 things really annoy me (other then the power on/off issue) but they are not the fault of the PS3IRX1 but the way the PS3 handles the remote codes. 1 - There is no direct button access to eject a disc and 2 - There is no "main menu" button for Blu-Ray movies. The pop up menu works great but, some BDs have a main menu and I can't find a direct button code to access that (you can access it through the OSD control panel though). Oh well, these are minor annoyances and I'm very happy with your product Mike, thanks.

Wow, thanks for the kind words of support everyone. I'm close to recouping my investment since sales are finally expanding due to word of mouth. In the meantime. It's been great fun!

Since the beginning, I have always arranged the mapping so that "TOP MENU" brings up the Blu-Ray disc menu and "MENU" brings up the on screen menu. I just verified this again here in the Lab. This works fine. So I'm not sure what you are seeing. But I'm always interested in this kind of feedback in case there is something I can do in the key mapping to make things work even better. Let's work together to figure this out.

Perhaps what you were experiencing is the fact that until you get past all of the previews and what not, some disks don't enable the Blu-Ray menu so as to attempt to force you to see the preview info. I use the "NEXT" button repeatedly to skip through these quickly and get to the main feature.

Have you tried the 'TOP MENU" function (SQUARE) once you are actually watching the feature?

Oh, and I've always wondered why they have a remote function to eject a disk. It seems to me that you have to get up anyway so...? Could you enlighten me? Personally, I don't want my disk sitting in the ejected position any longer than necessary since it seems most vulnerable there. I like to go straight from the inside of the player to the case.

I think he's referring to a new Remote Start setting under Remote Play Settings."Sets whether to turn on the PS3 system automatically when a PSP system connects for remote play".

So from what I can tell, it seems that this option will not exist until you actually add a PSP. So for people without one, it's not available. I'm definately going to go buy a PSP to try this out.

So from what I can tell, it seems that this option will not exist until you actually add a PSP. So for people without one, it's not available. I'm definitely going to go buy a PSP to try this out.
Yea, I tried to enable remote start last night and it wouldn't let me because I don't have a PSP. I'd love to be able to power the PS3 on/off with a IR remote but, it's not worth the cost of a PSP IMO.

Yea, I tried to enable remote start last night and it wouldn't let me because I don't have a PSP. I'd love to be able to power the PS3 on/off with a IR remote but, it's not worth the cost of a PSP IMO.

So what about your TOP MENU problem? Did you get it figured out? The "SQUARE" button will bring you to the Blu-Ray disk menu if it is not disabled by the disk on purpose. My guess is that the Bluetooth remote won't do it either in that case.

In case you can't tell, I'm really curious about this.:D

So what about your TOP MENU problem? Did you get it figured out? The "SQUARE" button will bring you to the Blu-Ray disk menu if it is not disabled by the disk on purpose. My guess is that the Bluetooth remote won't do it either in that case.

In case you can't tell, I'm really curious about this.:D
Square works fine for the "pop up" menu on Blu-Ray disc. What I was trying to find was a direct button access to the second "main" menu that most Blu-Ray disc have on them. For example: POTC:DMC has the pop menu that you can bring up anytime during the movie by pushing "square" or "top menu" but, it also has a main menu with a talking skull in the background that you can access (the bluetooh BD remote had separate main menu button that you could use to directly access this). Like I said it is not that big of a deal because there are other ways to access that menu. It's also nothing wrong with your device, just a lack of compatible codes for use with the PS3.

IMO, this is the one of the biggest mistakes Sony made with the PS3. They want it to be the center of your entertainment cabinet but failed to support everyones universal remotes by not providing a IR solution. They cared more about trying to force bluetooth down peoples throats and of course get you to spend more money. Thankfully there are those like you Mike, who have taken the time to find a solution for something Sony should have had built in from day one (I mean even the 360 and Wii have IR sensors).

I'm very happy with the device. Thanks, Mike. I'm using a Pronto TSU9400 along with an RFX9400 and it works great. I wanted to add that the square button takes you to the pop up menu not the top menu. I don't have an original PS2 remote. I am using the codes that are on a page somewhere in this thread. None of the codes take me to the top menu. I also connected my PSP to the PS3 this evening. You can now turn the PS3 on through the remote play with the PSP networked directly via the PS3 or via any network connection. Nifty :D

I'm guesing I'll need to purchase the new BlueTooth Sony remote to see what everyone is talking about. I thought the "pop up" menu mentioned was the PS3 on screen menu that gives you access to the extra audio and video commands. My bad.

Now I understand that there are actually two different disk menus. I'll check it out.

With version 2 of the PS3 firmware, you can get the PS3 to leave the USB power on during standby. All you have to do is enable Remote Start.

The good news:
This helps the IR power ON/OFF design.

The bad news:
1) As far as I can tell, you can't enable remote start if you haven't registered PSP.
2) They still won't let you turn on the PS3 via USB.

I'm guessing that the USB power is enabled as an unintended effect of leaving the network subsystem powered. They probably share the same power supply.

It looks like they didn't change the firmware to allow for USB wakeup. I have tried several USB devices that support USB wakeup here in the Lab. They work fine on a PC but have no effect on the PS3. :(

Now, since this has such an advantage for charging the controllers, I would expect that eventually Sony or a hacker, will make make it possible to enable remote start without registering a PSP unit.

I could add a mode in my device that would spoof a PSP so that the PS3 can register it. However, I don't think that would be legal. I would probably need to dish out Sony's product info and use their USB Vendor ID. I can't do that and remain a legitament member of the USB community. In fact my Vendor ID could possibly be revoked.

What is the feeling out there? Do you think an individual would be willing to borrow a PSP from a friend or the kid next door in order to enable the USB port power? You only need it for a few minutes to register it with your PS3.

I would expect that any Home Theater Installers would just buy a PSP since they could use it repeatedly as a tool.

Any thoughts?

I'm guesing I'll need to purchase the new BlueTooth Sony remote to see what everyone is talking about. I thought the "pop up" menu mentioned was the PS3 on screen menu that gives you access to the extra audio and video commands. My bad.

Now I understand that there are actually two different disk menus. I'll check it out.

You don't need the BT remote to get there -- if you bring up the onscreen menu with Triangle, there's an item for "Disc Menu" or "Top Menu" (I forget exactly what it's called) that takes you to the top-level menu. It's functionally equivalent to the main menu on a DVD (i.e., full-screen and stops playback), whereas the in-movie popup menu is a new innovation for Blu-Ray.

However, since it's not directly accessible using the Sixaxis, I don't imagine there's a way to do with the PS3IRX1, either...

With version 2 of the PS3 firmware, you can get the PS3 to leave the USB power on during standby. All you have to do is enable Remote Start.

The good news:
This helps the IR power ON/OFF design.

The bad news:
1) As far as I can tell, you can't enable remote start if you haven't registered PSP.
2) They still won't let you turn on the PS3 via USB.

I'm guessing that the USB power is enabled as an unintended effect of leaving the network subsystem powered. They probably share the same power supply.

It looks like they didn't change the firmware to allow for USB wakeup. I have tried several USB devices that support USB wakeup here in the Lab. They work fine on a PC but have no effect on the PS3. :(

Now, since this has such an advantage for charging the controllers, I would expect that eventually Sony or a hacker, will make make it possible to enable remote start without registering a PSP unit.

I could add a mode in my device that would spoof a PSP so that the PS3 can register it. However, I don't think that would be legal. I would probably need to dish out Sony's product info and use their USB Vendor ID. I can't do that and remain a legitament member of the USB community. In fact my Vendor ID could possibly be revoked.

What is the feeling out there? Do you think an individual would be willing to borrow a PSP from a friend or the kid next door in order to enable the USB port power? You only need it for a few minutes to register it with your PS3.

I would expect that any Home Theater Installers would just buy a PSP since they could use it repeatedly as a tool.

Any thoughts?

2 cents from someone who has designed USB solutions. Since Sony has proven that the USB can be turned on when off, you know it is possible that they may do it in the future as a general option (charging controllers etc). So I would opt for this:
Design the unit to power on/off the PS3 and add the capability of adding an external power source (into a cheap regulator or a nice dropout) to keep your solution powered. Most system integrators commonly use 12 volt triggers which have a small supply circuit available. I would also design it to still rely on the USB power as the main power. This way you would have both solutions covered. If you are interested pm me an I can get you more info.

Derek

Does anyone here have the ability to develop an IR to Bluetooth solution for the PS3? That would seem idea. Power on/off should be easy.

Oh, and I've always wondered why they have a remote function to eject a disk. It seems to me that you have to get up anyway so...? Could you enlighten me? Personally, I don't want my disk sitting in the ejected position any longer than necessary since it seems most vulnerable there. I like to go straight from the inside of the player to the case.

This is actually a time saver. I eject the disc with the remote, then by the time I get off of the couch, grab the box, and walk to the player, the disk is already waiting for me to be placed in the box. It avoids the long wait between pressing the eject button at the player to when the disk actually pops out. :)

...It avoids the long wait between pressing the eject button at the player to when the disk actually pops out. :)
On my PS3 this is 3-4 seconds Max.

Does anyone here have the ability to develop an IR to Bluetooth solution for the PS3? ...
Search for a great thread on this subject called, " PS3 IR REMOTE - A solution for DVD remote play control " :rolleyes:

Search for a great thread on this subject called, " PS3 IR REMOTE - A solution for DVD remote play control " :rolleyes:

Actually, it's a good question -- since the functionality of USB-connected devices seems limited to emulating a game controller, it would be awfully nice to have a IR-to-Bluetooth bridge. I.e., a standalone unit with an IR receiver that can pair with the PS3 via Bluetooth and emulate the Sony remote control. That would give us access to all the discrete buttons that are on the Sony remote but aren't mapped on the Sixaxis.

Whether it's feasible, I dunno. I notice that all of the third-party wireless controllers I've seen for the PS3 are using USB receivers, not Bluetooth. The only actual Bluetooth controllers I'm aware of are the Sixaxis, the Sony remote, and the Dualshock 3. Sony doesn't seem to be opening up the Bluetooth controller interface very well, or else nobody's found it worth the effort to implement. It would be a neat trick though, if somebody could do it.

It avoids the long wait between pressing the eject button at the player to when the disk actually pops out. :)

On my PS3 this is 3-4 seconds Max.

I was being facetious...

I was being facetious...
Sorry. I'm somewhat of a straight arrow. :)

Actually, it's a good question -- since the functionality of USB-connected devices seems limited to emulating a game controller, it would be awfully nice to have a IR-to-Bluetooth bridge. I.e., a standalone unit with an IR receiver that can pair with the PS3 via Bluetooth and emulate the Sony remote control. That would give us access to all the discrete buttons that are on the Sony remote but aren't mapped on the Sixaxis.

Whether it's feasible, I dunno. I notice that all of the third-party wireless controllers I've seen for the PS3 are using USB receivers, not Bluetooth. The only actual Bluetooth controllers I'm aware of are the Sixaxis, the Sony remote, and the Dualshock 3. Sony doesn't seem to be opening up the Bluetooth controller interface very well, or else nobody's found it worth the effort to implement. It would be a neat trick though, if somebody could do it.


I wonder if a proof of concept implementation would be that hard if you took apart the Sony Bluetooth remote? The hardware interface for the key presses on the remote must be very simple, so it would seem somone with some IR/chip ability could receive IR and output the simple key press to the remote that would then transmit bluetooth. A hack, but a useful one.

I for one would be willing to pay $100 for a IR to Bluetooth solution that worked, even if it was a hack on the Sony Bluetooth remote. If anyone wants to tackel this, I'll buy unit #1.:eek:

I would do this myself, except I'm a software guy (unfortunately) and don't know sh*t about hardware.

Are there any command keys or functions the Nyko or Darklite remotes offer that the PS3IRX1 doesn't? Is the PS3IRX1 the current best solution for working with a Harmony remote, or are there tradeoffs?

Are there schematics for a PS3 IR dongle? I would much prefer to build one myself.

Thanks

I believe the PS3IRX1 is the best solution for IR on the PS3. It works fantastic.

Building the IR to USB solution is one thing, making it molded to fit, match and blend as well as the PSXIR3 does is another. Programming the firmware between the IR and USB transceivers is a whole different animal altogether. We aren't talking about chips, resistors and a bread board from Radio Shack.

And its cheap enough for me not to care.

If you got the skills, give it a shot.

I got my PS3IRX1 today. I havent had a chance to try it out. I will let you know how it goes.

One piece of constructive feedback: It would be preferable if schmartz would align its shipping costs to the actual cost of shipping. I paid $14.52 for shipping and that was after making a comment on this board that the shipping cost seemed very high, to Canada. The box arrived and the actual cost of the postage was $1.31 (yes $1.31). the packing materials were maybe $2. that leaves $12.50 for "handling", i guess. This is irritating.

I appreciate that the PS3IRX1 is amazing and its just outstanding that mike would even bother. But if the cost is $20 for the unit then thats the cost. If it needs to be higher, make it higher and dont try and get extra by over-inflating the shipping. It is, in my opinion, dishonest, if thats what he's doing. If not, then the price of shipping is unfair. I am sure that mike is neither being dishonest or unfair but that its an administrative issue that should be addressed.

The wife has voiced frustrations with using the game controller to navigate BD/DVD on the PS3, so after perusing the WWW, i considered buying either the Nyko or Messiah's IR remotes. Then I came across Mike's site and the PS3IRX1.

After much reading (oh, my poor eyes!), I might order one, but I'd like the honest opinion about the ease of use and compatibility between the PS3IRX1 and the Harmony 720 remote, which we like and use for our existing components.


Any issues, specifically regarding PS3 firmware 2.0 (installed) and Harmony 720 firmware 4.2 (installed)?
Regarding setup, it is my understanding that in choosing either "PSTwo" (I have the slimline version) or "PS3", my Harmony 720 will effectively be able to communicate and navigate BD/DVD through the PS3IRX1?

I'm looking forward to the input. Mike, thanks for addressing this concern and in implementing a solution. Sure don't want an extra remote in the (already-full) drawer!

I wonder if a proof of concept implementation would be that hard if you took apart the Sony Bluetooth remote? The hardware interface for the key presses on the remote must be very simple, so it would seem somone with some IR/chip ability could receive IR and output the simple key press to the remote that would then transmit bluetooth. A hack, but a useful one.

I for one would be willing to pay $100 for a IR to Bluetooth solution that worked, even if it was a hack on the Sony Bluetooth remote. If anyone wants to tackel this, I'll buy unit #1.:eek:

I would do this myself, except I'm a software guy (unfortunately) and don't know sh*t about hardware.

I've been looking into this. I've taken one of my controllers apart and the Blue Tooth radio is pretty self contained. A hack is probably doable. A real product has to have all of the FCC and CE testing done since it is RF. The $100 price tag is probably about right for such a small market. BlueTooth radios are not cheap unless you buy millions of them like Sony does.

I think it could be another fun project.

I've been looking into this. I've taken one of my controllers apart and the Blue Tooth radio is pretty self contained. A hack is probably doable. A real product has to have all of the FCC and CE testing done since it is RF. The $100 price tag is probably about right for such a small market. BlueTooth radios are not cheap unless you buy millions of them like Sony does.

I think it could be another fun project.
Well, you've peaked my curiosity, and apparently there is no end to the amount of money I'm willing to spend on cool gadgets!! :eek:

The wife has voiced frustrations with using the game controller to navigate BD/DVD on the PS3, so after perusing the WWW, i considered buying either the Nyko or Messiah's IR remotes. Then I came across Mike's site and the PS3IRX1.

After much reading (oh, my poor eyes!), I might order one, but I'd like the honest opinion about the ease of use and compatibility between the PS3IRX1 and the Harmony 720 remote, which we like and use for our existing components.


Any issues, specifically regarding PS3 firmware 2.0 (installed) and Harmony 720 firmware 4.2 (installed)?
Regarding setup, it is my understanding that in choosing either "PSTwo" (I have the slimline version) or "PS3", my Harmony 720 will effectively be able to communicate and navigate BD/DVD through the PS3IRX1?

I'm looking forward to the input. Mike, thanks for addressing this concern and in implementing a solution. Sure don't want an extra remote in the (already-full) drawer!


I too am curious about this. I have a harmony 550 (similar to 720 mentioned above) and would like feedback on results with these specific remotes.

I got my PS3IRX1 today. I havent had a chance to try it out. I will let you know how it goes.

One piece of constructive feedback: It would be preferable if schmartz would align its shipping costs to the actual cost of shipping. I paid $14.52 for shipping and that was after making a comment on this board that the shipping cost seemed very high, to Canada. The box arrived and the actual cost of the postage was $1.31 (yes $1.31). the packing materials were maybe $2. that leaves $12.50 for "handling", i guess. This is irritating.

I appreciate that the PS3IRX1 is amazing and its just outstanding that mark would even bother. But if the cost is $20 for the unit then thats the cost. If it needs to be higher, make it higher and dont try and get extra by over-inflating the shipping. It is, in my opinion, dishonest, if thats what he's doing. If not, then the price of shipping is unfair.

I totally agree with you on this. I will issue you a credit for the difference. I was so busy getting caught up on the back orders, I didn't cross my mind that there was a credit due in your situation.

I originally showed up at the post office to send your order International Priority Mail (at $11). But, the clerk recommended using First Class instead. According to my local post office, it actually will pass through customs faster that way. I'm still learning the best way to ship internationally. So far I've only shipped a few outside the US. Please be patient.

In the beginning, the shopping cart estimate was frequently lower than my actual shipping cost so the handling charge would cover the difference. Now that I have the estimate working better and I have better understanding of the shipping costs, I don't add a handling charge anymore.

I do think I'll still keep the shipping for international orders at $4.60. Same as domestic. That will leave about $2 to cover the time it takes to wait in line at the post office and the effort of filling out the customs forms. Because of security reasons, I have to personally sign for any international orders. I guess it's a 911 inspired regulation. It's really almost more trouble than it's worth right now. But, I'll eventually get more efficient at international shipping. In the meantime, I personally enjoy the interaction with people all over the globe. Call it a hobby I guess.

questions on the PS3IRX1:
1. if i don't have a harmony remote, what remote can i use to program functions to my universal remote?
2. are there any functions not available on the Nyko (subtitle, audio), which i currently use, that are available on the PS3IRX1?
3. are there any other advantages of using this remote over the Nyko?

I too am curious about this. I have a harmony 550 (similar to 720 mentioned above) and would like feedback on results with these specific remotes.

Yes, your remote will work fine. Once you have the PS3IRX1 installed, you will be able to perform any function that is normally available with the controller. Of course, the Harmony remote and the PS3IRX1 will provide a much better user experience than the controller did. That should make everyone happy.

questions on the PS3IRX1:
1. if i don't have a harmony remote, what remote can i use to program functions to my universal remote?
2. are there any functions not available on the Nyko (subtitle, audio), which i currently use, that are available on the PS3IRX1?
3. are there any other advantages of using this remote over the Nyko?

Probably the best remote to use for programming is the PS2 remote. Just about any Sony DVD remote will also work. You can test it by using it with the PS3IRX1. If it works, then you can use it to program your universal remote.

I would be surprised though if your universal remote doesn't support the PS2 or at least a SONY DVD player

As far a functions go, any function available via the Sony controller will be available with the PS3IRX1.

Reasons to purchase a PS3IRX1:

The PS3IRX1 is fully supported with access to the developer (me).

It will let the Sony controller occupy device #1 automatically.

It works properly with the unusual button mapping used by BluRay Disks such as POTC Dead Mans Chest.

It looks much better plugged into your PS3. It blends into the front panel and looks like it is part of the PS3.

Well, you've peaked my curiosity, and apparently there is no end to the amount of money I'm willing to spend on cool gadgets!! :eek:

Well, as it happens, you are exactly the customer I am looking for. I think of myself as an Electronic Cobbler. I make stuff that the high volume big companies won't bother with. As long as it's fun and challenging. I'm there.

I feel a burning sensation on my leg, where my wallet sits in my pocket!! :D

As far a functions go, any function available via the Sony controller will be available with the PS3IRX1.

Reasons to purchase a PS3IRX1:

The PS3IRX1 is fully supported with access to the developer (me).

It will let the Sony controller occupy device #1 automatically.

It works properly with the unusual button mapping used by BluRay Disks such as POTC Dead Mans Chest.

It looks much better plugged into your PS3. It blends into the front panel and looks like it is part of the PS3.

pretty sure i have the ps2 dvd remote laying around somewhere i guess i can use that to program my uni remote.

the subtitle and audio buttons are not available on the ps3 controller afaik, so will those functions be available on the PS3IRX1? these functions are rather important to me as i have other viewers in the house not savy enough to use the pop-up menu to adjust audio/sub settings. this is also a big issue when watching DVDs to not have to go to the main menu to change settings.

if the PS3IRX1 has the functions i will get it for sure, if not i dont think it will be worth the upgrade from Nyko.

I totally agree with you on this. I will issue you a credit for the difference. I was so busy getting caught up on the back orders, I didn't cross my mind that there was a credit due in your situation.


well mike, not only are you a model product developer but you are model for customer service as well. thanks for the consideration and i am looking forward to getting the X1 up and running tonight!

i know you were being sarcastic about the $2 left to cover the handling etc. i have a suggestion: when you ship first class, as you did, it goes as a small packet and so you only need to use the little green slip. get a bunch from the post office and fill them out before hand so you can just stick them to the box. you can also just use stamps instead of waiting in line to get it weighed. you might even be able to purchase pre-paid $1.10 postage stickers (ask them). then you can prep the small box at home and just drop it off. i usually just ignore the line up and drop it on the desk and tell the clerk it pre-paid.

So, does this PS3IRX1 dongle work pretty well for browsing the web with the PS3 browser, using a Harmony remote?

Yes, your remote [Harmony 550] will work fine. Once you have the PS3IRX1 installed, you will be able to perform any function that is normally available with the controller. Of course, the Harmony remote and the PS3IRX1 will provide a much better user experience than the controller did. That should make everyone happy.

any assurances that the Harmony 720 will work fine, too?
do i need a PS2 remote to "teach" my remote any commands not covered by Harmony's database?
is setting the "Sony Playstation 3" device in the Harmony software sufficient for an enjoyable BD/DVD experience or should I stick with your site's recommendation: "PSTwo"? (i'm sure i'll map buttons to my preference.)

i just need a solution that'd allow me to have the subtitle and audio buttons on my universal remote controlling the ps3. if the PS3IRX1 can do this via programming the PS2 remote to my univ remote, i'd get one right away.

Before I order one of these things, I want to be clear also on the setup with a Harmony 890 (should be same as other Harmony remotes I would think).

Do I just add a device as a "game console with DVD" and then select brand=Sony and model=PlayStation 2 ?? Is that all there is to it? Will I get *all* of the key mappings correctly from the database? I do NOT have a Sony DVD remote hanging around.

I've been looking into this. I've taken one of my controllers apart and the Blue Tooth radio is pretty self contained. A hack is probably doable. A real product has to have all of the FCC and CE testing done since it is RF. The $100 price tag is probably about right for such a small market. BlueTooth radios are not cheap unless you buy millions of them like Sony does.

I think it could be another fun project.

I made a very roundabout hack for fun to power the ps3 on/off with an IR signal. I built a IR reciever that connects to some relays. I then opened up the ps3 bluetooth remote and using wire-glue to the connections near the buttons (didn't solder because they were on plastic that would melt and didn't want to trace them back to the actual PCB) and hooked the wires to the relay. So now I can send an IR signal, which triggers the relay, completes the connection on the remote, which sends the bluetooth signal to the ps3. I know its not at all a sophisticated solution but it works (plus I've used it to hijack some other remote controls in a similar way to control a few other things around the house). Just saying it is possible if anyone is interested in doing it.

Before I order one of these things, I want to be clear also on the setup with a Harmony 890 (should be same as other Harmony remotes I would think).

Do I just add a device as a "game console with DVD" and then select brand=Sony and model=PlayStation 2 ?? Is that all there is to it? Will I get *all* of the key mappings correctly from the database? I do NOT have a Sony DVD remote hanging around.

That's pretty much it. Only thing you may want to do is verify the button mappings in your activities, since you may have different ideas of how they should be arranged than Harmony does. Also, remember if you don't like Mike's button mappings on the PS3IRX3 (e.g., the PS2 remote button for Stop maps to the Sixaxis button Square), you can map controller buttons directly to the Harmony buttons (e.g., map the Harmony "Stop" button to the Circle code instead of the Stop code).

i just need a solution that'd allow me to have the subtitle and audio buttons on my universal remote controlling the ps3. if the PS3IRX1 can do this via programming the PS2 remote to my univ remote, i'd get one right away.

Unfortunately, no. As it stands right now, all the USB-based control solutions for the PS3, including the PS3IRX1, can only emulate a game controller (i.e., that's what the system sees it as). So if you can't do it in one button press with the Sixaxis, you can't do it in one button press with the PS3IRX1.

Just wanted to post that I've had the PS3IRX1 hooked up for a little over a week now, and after programming it with a PS2 remote I got off Amazon my Home Theater Master MX-500 remote finally controls all my components. Thanks much! I highly recommend this solution.

I also have been loving my PS3IRX1 for about a week. I've been using it with a B&K SR10.1 remote (URC OEM MX-700). It took me about 10 minutes to replace the portions of my macros that were for my old DVD player with those for the PS2 that are in the B&K database. This thing really works.

I made a very roundabout hack for fun to power the ps3 on/off with an IR signal. I built a IR reciever that connects to some relays. I then opened up the ps3 bluetooth remote and using wire-glue to the connections near the buttons (didn't solder because they were on plastic that would melt and didn't want to trace them back to the actual PCB) and hooked the wires to the relay. So now I can send an IR signal, which triggers the relay, completes the connection on the remote, which sends the bluetooth signal to the ps3. I know its not at all a sophisticated solution but it works (plus I've used it to hijack some other remote controls in a similar way to control a few other things around the house). Just saying it is possible if anyone is interested in doing it.

Excellent news. I would be interested in this solution (not building it, mind you, but purchasing).

after 2.0, it seems the nyko commands has a good delay from pressing the button to the button working on the ps3. a good 2 seconds perhaps. is this problem also occuring on the PS3IRX1? if it isn't, i think that plus the cosmetic improvements would still be worth replacing the nyko setup.

after 2.0, it seems the nyko commands has a good delay from pressing the button to the button working on the ps3. a good 2 seconds perhaps. is this problem also occuring on the PS3IRX1? if it isn't, i think that plus the cosmetic improvements would still be worth replacing the nyko setup.

You can't set that delay to a different (smaller) delay value?

There is virtually no delay with my PS3 (2.0) and PS3IRX1. Not quite as fast as the actual game controller but not that much slower either (definitely not a 2 second delay).

You can't set that delay to a different (smaller) delay value?

the delay was not present before 2.0. only after, and it's not a delay between series of commands but rather pressing one button and have it respond on the ps3 2+ seconds later.

I'm now getting the same delay with the Logic3 dongle with 2.0. Haven't tried my Nyko dongle yet. Was holding off on getting Mike's dongle until he worked out the PS button and updated his firmware but maybe now I can't wait.

I'm now getting the same delay with the Logic3 dongle with 2.0. Haven't tried my Nyko dongle yet. Was holding off on getting Mike's dongle until he worked out the PS button and updated his firmware but maybe now I can't wait.

My impression is that this is the sequel to the "up-button" problem that afflicted the Nyko and Logic3 units previously. It seems like the Nyko would go to sleep after 5-7 seconds, and the next button press would wake it up (and produce the extraneous up-arrow command). Now with FW 2.0, it sounds like the PS3 is suppressing or filtering signals from the USB dongle right after it wakes up. The underlying problem is still the same, though -- that the dongle shuts down after a certain amount of time with no input.

As a matter of fact, this might also be connected to the reports that the Nyko now shows up as controller 2 and allows the Sixaxis to be registered as controller 1. I'm thinking Sony might have changed the firmware to briefly hide USB controllers when they first connect. That way, when the system does its enumeration of controllers at boot time, the USB device (having just powered up) would be hidden for long enough to let the Sixaxis be enumerated as #1. Then the USB dongle is "unhidden", and enumerated as #2. Problem is, the Nyko/Logic3 dongles go to sleep whenever they're not in use, so they have to go through the startup delay every time they wake up.

Disclaimer: this is all speculative, since I returned my Nyko unit a long time ago and bought the USBIRX3. However, I can confirm that the USBIRX3 suffers no such problem, either before or after FW 2.0.

Hi I'm considering purchasing a PS3 soon (for BD playback and DVD upconversion) and am interested in PS3IRX1, can anyone who owns this post a front pic of PS3 with PS3IRX1 plugged in so I can get an idea of what that'll look like? Thanks in advance!

I tried with my Cell Phone and....it did not come out. Too much black, it absorbed all the flash my camera had, and I am too lazy to grab my digital and upload it. Put it this way, it looks like it is part of the PS3 as assembled by Sony. Unless you know it is there, you wont even notice it.

Hi I'm considering purchasing a PS3 soon (for BD playback and DVD upconversion) and am interested in PS3IRX1, can anyone who owns this post a front pic of PS3 with PS3IRX1 plugged in so I can get an idea of what that'll look like? Thanks in advance!

go to Mike's (the PS3IRX1 developer) site. click the PS3IRX1 pic and another pic of it plugged into the PS3 will pop-up.

www.schmartz.com

any assurances that the Harmony 720 will work fine, too?
do i need a PS2 remote to "teach" my remote any commands not covered by Harmony's database?
is setting the "Sony Playstation 3" device in the Harmony software sufficient for an enjoyable BD/DVD experience or should I stick with your site's recommendation: "PSTwo"? (i'm sure i'll map buttons to my preference.)

and so i end up ordering the PS3IRX1 without any reassurances/clarifications...:rolleyes:

go to Mike's (the PS3IRX1 developer) site. click the PS3IRX1 pic and another pic of it plugged into the PS3 will pop-up.

www.schmartz.com

I actually went to the site before posting my request - just didn't click on the PS3IRX1 pic to see the pop-up :). Thanks.

Connector issue
That turned out to be less of an issue than I thought. Few units seem to have the oxidation. In any case, I can now make sure they are all 100% good before shipping so, this issue is gone.

International Orders
My shopping cart is still not friendly to international orders. Sorry, it's on my list of things to do.

Fulfillment
Sales have exceeded my expectations again. This is good news. However, I am filling orders this week while visiting Houston and as of Wednesday AM, I shipped everything I brought with me. Oops! I won't be back to my lab until Saturday so, there will be a small delay in filling new orders until then. Sorry for the inconvenience. I'm in Houston for (routine) medical testing or I'd bolt back to Austin.

and so i end up ordering the PS3IRX1 without any reassurances/clarifications...:rolleyes:

You'll be fine. Use "PStwo", and double-check check your button mappings in the activity when you set it up. There should be nothing you need to learn manually -- the PStwo device in the Harmony database has been there for years and has been thoroughly tested.

Sales have exceeded my expectations again.

Damn. No good deed goes unpunished. :p

Dan

Damn. No good deed goes unpunished. :p
:)

I just returned my Harmony 1000 to Amazon at Logitech's urging. I could not get the remote to update save once. Mike's device worked great. I am back to using my ancient Harmony 680 and it is again fun to view a DVD on the PS3 with one remote controlling.

I'll look into the 880 or 890 after I mend a little - one of my two artificial knees failed after 7½ years and re-hab PT is a bear.

I just got one of these in the mail today. Hooked it up and got codes off of remote central. Whole thing took 10 minutes to get up and running. Great job Mike.

I set up my new PS3IRX1 today, too. It works great with my Harmony 880!

One thing I noticed, though, is that my Sony upconverting DVD player turns on when I am operating the BD player on the PS3. This question may be in the wrong thread, but does anyone know how I can prevent this?

Also, on the Spiderman 3 Blu-ray disc there are options that use the color commands, which I was able to get to with the "triangle" selection and then navigating to the color selections with the directional keys. Is there a way to map these buttons to a remote?

I set up my new PS3IRX1 today, too. It works great with my Harmony 880!

One thing I noticed, though, is that my Sony upconverting DVD player turns on when I am operating the BD player on the PS3. This question may be in the wrong thread, but does anyone know how I can prevent this?

Also, on the Spiderman 3 Blu-ray disc there are options that use the color commands, which I was able to get to with the "triangle" selection and then navigating to the color selections with the directional keys. Is there a way to map these buttons to a remote?

For turning on the Sony DVD player: in the Harmony, go into Settings for the PStwo device (or whatever you're using for the PS3IRX1), select "Advanced setup for this device", and at the first question, select "There are no power buttons on my current remote". That will keep the Harmony from trying to power on the PStwo device when you use the activity, since it's that power-on code that the DVD player is picking up.

As far as the color commands -- if it's not accessible with a button press on the Sixaxis controller, then it won't be accessible with a button press on the PS3IRX1 or any other currently existing IR-to-USB remote.

For turning on the Sony DVD player: in the Harmony, go into Settings for the PStwo device (or whatever you're using for the PS3IRX1), select "Advanced setup for this device", and at the first question, select "There are no power buttons on my current remote". That will keep the Harmony from trying to power on the PStwo device when you use the activity, since it's that power-on code that the DVD player is picking up.

As far as the color commands -- if it's not accessible with a button press on the Sixaxis controller, then it won't be accessible with a button press on the PS3IRX1 or any other currently existing IR-to-USB remote.


That makes sense. Thanks for the help, Dixie!

Just found a movie that has a bug with IR control. Reign Over Me (BD) does not accept PLAY or PAUSE from my 880. I am using the PS2 IR/PS2-USB adapter combo. During the movie, I thought it was update 2.0 that had caused the problem. Once I tried other videos, it seems it is the movie itself...

Just found a movie that has a bug with IR control. Reign Over Me (BD) does not accept PLAY or PAUSE from my 880. I am using the PS2 IR/PS2-USB adapter combo. During the movie, I thought it was update 2.0 that had caused the problem. Once I tried other videos, it seems it is the movie itself...

Try it with the Sixaxis controller instead of the Harmony. See whether the X button works for play/pause, or the Start button. It's possible that, like POTC: DMC, ROM is remapping the X button so it doesn't do play/pause.

I had no problems with ROM and the USBIRX3, but that was after I'd remapped my Harmony to use Start for the Harmony's Play and Pause buttons because of the problems with POTC. That fix may also have taken care of the issue you're seeing with ROM.

Weird kind of thing going on with my PS3IRX1 using my Harmony remote (XBox 360 version). Only happens when switching to or away from the PS3. If I leave Folding@Home running when I'm done with the PS3, just before the harmony leaves the activity, it sends a code that causes the program to pop up the "Do you want to quit?" dialog. I've gotten around it by having it send an extra Circle code first (which causes the PS3 to go back to it's normal activity). When switching to the PS3 (w/Folding@Home still running), an extra code is sent which pauses the visualization. Got around that by having it send an extra Pause/Play command. Does the same thing with a DVD running (new plasma, running a breakin disk).

Any ideas? Obviously, not a huge issue. Easy workaround. Just curious.

Other than that, works great! Thanks Mike!

Weird kind of thing going on with my PS3IRX1 using my Harmony remote (XBox 360 version). Only happens when switching to or away from the PS3. If I leave Folding@Home running when I'm done with the PS3, just before the harmony leaves the activity, it sends a code that causes the program to pop up the "Do you want to quit?" dialog. I've gotten around it by having it send an extra Circle code first (which causes the PS3 to go back to it's normal activity). When switching to the PS3 (w/Folding@Home still running), an extra code is sent which pauses the visualization. Got around that by having it send an extra Pause/Play command. Does the same thing with a DVD running (new plasma, running a breakin disk).

Any ideas? Obviously, not a huge issue. Easy workaround. Just curious.

Other than that, works great! Thanks Mike!

Sounds like the Harmony may be sending what it thinks is a power-off/power-on code when you switch activities. See my post above (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12247133#post12247133) about changing the power settings for the device in the Harmony software, so that it doesn't try to power the device on or off.

Also, check the settings for the activity associated with the PS3IRX1 -- you might have it set to send a "Play" command when you enter the activity, and a "Stop" command when you leave it. Don't remember exactly where it is, but it's in the activity settings, not the device. This actually sounds more plausible to me than the power-on/power-off thing.

These are what I changed to stop this behavior.

# Change Options. - Includes options for menu behavior, stopping play on Activity exit, and starting play on Activity entry.

Turn Off Unused Devices
Leave On
Selects whether or not to turn off devices not used by a particular Activity, when you start the Activity.
Turn Off: Turn off the devices not used by the Activity
Leave On: Leaves unused devices on during the Activity
Play on Enter
Do not Send Play
Controls whether or not to send a 'Play' command whenever you start the Activity.
Stop On Exit
Don't send stop command
Controls whether or not to send a stop command to the device whenever you finish the Activity.

I like to leave unused devices ON, so I can switch around from activity to Activity, without interrupting anything that might be running on the other devices. You don't have to do this.

I have a question for somebody who may know the answer here: if I have one of those PS3 wireless keyboard which has an USB plugin, can I then get Harmony remote to work with PS3 by programming in PS2/PS3 codes?
Thanks for the info.

Well, the shipment of plastic covers are a week late. Due to arrive tomorrow. I expected them to be here last week so I could get everything out yesterday. If they show up as promised in the early AM, I'll be able to get all of the orders out tomorrow. Sorry for the Delay.

Sounds like the Harmony may be sending what it thinks is a power-off/power-on code when you switch activities. See my post above (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12247133#post12247133) about changing the power settings for the device in the Harmony software, so that it doesn't try to power the device on or off.
Already read that (had it set that way myself).


Also, check the settings for the activity associated with the PS3IRX1 -- you might have it set to send a "Play" command when you enter the activity, and a "Stop" command when you leave it. Don't remember exactly where it is, but it's in the activity settings, not the device. This actually sounds more plausible to me than the power-on/power-off thing.

These are what I changed to stop this behavior.

# Change Options. - Includes options for menu behavior, stopping play on Activity exit, and starting play on Activity entry.

Turn Off Unused Devices
Leave On
Selects whether or not to turn off devices not used by a particular Activity, when you start the Activity.
Turn Off: Turn off the devices not used by the Activity
Leave On: Leaves unused devices on during the Activity
Play on Enter
Do not Send Play
Controls whether or not to send a 'Play' command whenever you start the Activity.
Stop On Exit
Don't send stop command
Controls whether or not to send a stop command to the device whenever you finish the Activity.

I'll bet that's the problem right there. I'll have to check it when I get home.

And thank you both for the suggestions!

As far as the color commands -- if it's not accessible with a button press on the Sixaxis controller, then it won't be accessible with a button press on the PS3IRX1 or any other currently existing IR-to-USB remote.


Does this apply to the "PS" button on the Sixaxis controller? If so, is there a way to map this button on the Harmony? Thanks!

Dixie and detwetter, that fixed the problem. Thanks a bunch!

Does this apply to the "PS" button on the Sixaxis controller? If so, is there a way to map this button on the Harmony? Thanks!

There is currently no way to emulate the PS button with an IR controller.

Dixie and detwetter, that fixed the problem. Thanks a bunch!
Glad to help. :)

Allright...
have to admit, i haven't read the entire thread, but i can't figure out how to search for what i want to know, i already have a sony dvd/hdd-recorder, my problem now is, what if i get this usb receiver, which as i understand already use sony dvd codes, will my remote for the sony conflict with this? or will controlling ps3 conflict with my dvd player?

Anyone?

I've been using the Nyko remote dongle with the Harmony 880 since the summer without any problems.

We were watching Blu-Ray movie tonight and we sent the "triangle/options" command to bring the PS3 movie options. I scrolled to the "Subtitle options" but I could not enable to the subtitles with the 'enter' or 'x' commands. Is this a 2.01 issues?

I needed to go into the disc's menu set-up to enable the subtitles.

after 2.0, it seems the nyko commands has a good delay from pressing the button to the button working on the ps3. a good 2 seconds perhaps. is this problem also occuring on the PS3IRX1? if it isn't, i think that plus the cosmetic improvements would still be worth replacing the nyko setup.

After updating to FW 2.01 it seems like the Nyko no longer has that 2 second delay anymore when first issuing commands. FYI. No more delay and no more "up arrow" bug.