How real does it sound in full 7.1-channel audio? What does the atmosphere feel like? I need to know!!! :)

I am. I have my PS3 hooked up to my Pioneer Elite VSX82 and am showing 7.1 channels of audio coming in.

Honestly, I hear more sound coming from Gears of War for the 360 out of the back channels. Don't get me wrong, it still sounds awesome, but GoW has a better sound track.

The dashboard or whatever the PS3 calls it, is also in 7.1 channels.

I am. I have my PS3 hooked up to my Pioneer Elite VSX82 and am showing 7.1 channels of audio coming in.

Honestly, I hear more sound coming from Gears of War for the 360 out of the back channels. Don't get me wrong, it still sounds awesome, but GoW has a better sound track.

The dashboard or whatever the PS3 calls it, is also in 7.1 channels.

Congrats on your setup, you are one of the lucky few who can enjoy 7.1 LPCM.

Too bad about Resistance not living up to the 7.1 LPCM hype. Looks like it was thrown in as an afterthought, and not really worked on.

However, reading an interview with the devs for Lair, it seems they are really working hard on the 7.1 LPCM for their game. Looks like its a going to be a killer game for the PS3...

I just watched the interview for Lair. If what the developer says is true, all this downplaying of the PS3 and hyping the 360 over the PS3 is BS. Why would he say only the PS3 is capable of doing some things that the developers are doing with Lair that Wii and 360 can't?

Congrats on your setup, you are one of the lucky few who can enjoy 7.1 LPCM.

Too bad about Resistance not living up to the 7.1 LPCM hype. Looks like it was thrown in as an afterthought, and not really worked on.

However, reading an interview with the devs for Lair, it seems they are really working hard on the 7.1 LPCM for their game. Looks like its a going to be a killer game for the PS3...

That would be very interesting. I hope they get it right. That would sound awesome.

As to GoW, you would be amazed at how it sounds. It actually makes everything sound rather dull. I hope more games start incorporating more immersive and dynamic sound tracks.

I'm just using 2.1 right now, but the soud quality (Aside from preference of actual soundtrack) IMO is clearer than Gears of War (Which sounds great). Same with the Motorstorm demo, the sq quality is just clearer. Similar to how 96 or 88.2 khz sounds richer than 44.1khz

I'm just using 2.1 right now, but the soud quality (Aside from preference of actual soundtrack) IMO is clearer than Gears of War (Which sounds great). Same with the Motorstorm demo, the sq quality is just clearer. Similar to how 96 or 88.2 khz sounds richer than 44.1khz
I agree that is sounds cleaner than GoW, but honestly speaking, when you get the extra 5 channels hooked up, they are hardly used at all. This is what I'm complaining about. GoW made much more use of the surround speakers.

I've got 7.1 (actually 7.2 if you wanna get technical, lol) and it's through a budget HDMI switching JVC receiver. The game sounds great, if you have the system properly adjusted and balanced to your seating position you can very obviously hear different sounds coming from each speaker which I think is very cool, I know that's not the technical explanation you were looking for.

Overall the audio on the PS3 games and movies has much more clarity than on my 360, I love it.

I agree that is sounds cleaner than GoW, but honestly speaking, when you get the extra 5 channels hooked up, they are hardly used at all. This is what I'm complaining about. GoW made much more use of the surround speakers.

I wasn't doubting you at all. I'm certainly not knocking Gears either as it is great game with sweet audio with great vocals from the locust and a kick arse musical score. I'm just very impressed as to how rich the AQ sound is from the PS3.

I sold my 6.1 receiver as I'm looking to upgrade to an HDMI capable unit. I'll still only do 5.1 or 6.1 though. 7.1 is overkill for my apartment.

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Overall the audio on the PS3 games and movies has much more clarity than on my 360, I love it.

Agreed

You wanna talk about overkill? You should see my dorm room here on base. We've got pretty small rooms, about 150sqft. I've got a projector with 115" screen, 7.2 surround, computer desk with dual 20" monitors, etc, I've still got a little bit of room to move around and have people over, but it's slightly cramped. :)

lol, that is awesome. Curious what gear do you have?

My best friend thinks my 60A2000 is overkill for my 1 bedroom apartment, of course he doesn't mind watching blu-ray movies at my place :)

lol, that is awesome. Curious what gear do you have?

My best friend thinks my 60A2000 is overkill for my 1 bedroom apartment, of course he doesn't mind watching blu-ray movies at my place :)

Panasonic AE900 projector (being replaced next month by the Mistubishi HC5000 1080p projector) projected onto a painted white wall.
JVC RX-D412 Receiver (on sale, very cheap, HDMI switching, 7.1, sound quality is excellent IMO)
Mix and match speakers which is the only thing I'm really dissapointed with right now. Polk Audio Center and fronts, Klipsch Quintet surrounds, Kenwood powered 10", and Acoustic Research 10" powered sub.

Nothing truly top-dollar, but I like the bang for the buck. I am satisfied with 75% of the performance for 25% of the price of the top dollar stuff.

Thanks. That is pretty sweet.

I was running 5.1 with all energy gear. C-5's, C-3's, 12" sub, etc. But I've moved and I'm redoing gear and sold all but my C-3's which I now use for my PC for music in the bedroom and PC software.

Pic's of my old setup at old condo (before I moved the C-3's to the rears and C-5's up front)
http://www.geocities.com/briankmonkey/DSC00049.JPG


I've used my PS3, xbox360 with my C-3's in my family room to try out paired with a 2 channel denon. Also at my friends place with his 170x5 denon and C-8's which sound incredible.

Very nice setup, I've always liked Energy stuff, just never had the pleasure of owning any of their products.

I've debated upgrading speakers or upgrading my projector for the last few months. But the bottom line is, I can't get big speakers shipped here without going international FedEx or something which will cost an arm and a leg. If/when I get back to the US, or at least a more civilized country, I will pick up some nicer speakers. I think for now I will go with all Polk Audio speakers because I've really grown to like their sound, the Klipsch speakers are just too bright for my tastes, the Polks have a warmer sound.

Thx

I agree, it's the horn tweets in the Klipsch that seem to be a bit bright for some kinds of music and effects, some times it makes some things sound better as well. I do like Polk's all around smoother sound as well.

Yeah, it helped that I used to work at "the good guys" and they carried Energy. Even after though I had connections. Dam Comp USA for buying them and turning their AV section into crap as well as closing tons of the stores. I was hoping to upgrade to the Reference Connoisseur's or Veritas for half of MSRP, full price = forget about it.

Ok, now we are way off topic, lol

Whats a c-3 c-5?

Whats a c-3 c-5?

http://www.energy-speakers.com/v2/products/product-page.php?ident=C-5

Whats a c-3 c-5?

They are an older energy speaker line, great bang for the buck. I had (well haev the C-3 for my PC) them in black.

Energy C-3 (bookshelf):
http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/pics/energy_c3_maple_nogrille.jpg

http://www.energy-speakers.com/v2/products/product-page.php?ident=C-3

Energy C-5 (smallest of the floorstanding):
http://www.energy-speakers.com/v2/products/thumbs/m2-C-5_floor.jpg

http://www.energy-speakers.com/v2/products/product-page.php?ident=C-5

What I want to up grade to are the RC series:
http://www.energy-speakers.com/v2/products/product-line.php?id=264

http://www.energy-speakers.com/v2/products/thumbs/m1-RC_50_small_1a.jpg

I've got 7.1 (actually 7.2 if you wanna get technical, lol) and it's through a budget HDMI switching JVC receiver. The game sounds great


Are you saying that the JVC you have can actually do LPCM 7.1 sound via HDMI? I didn't know that JVC had any receivers that could do that.

I am. I have my PS3 hooked up to my Pioneer Elite VSX82 and am showing 7.1 channels of audio coming in.

Honestly, I hear more sound coming from Gears of War for the 360 out of the back channels. Don't get me wrong, it still sounds awesome, but GoW has a better sound track.

The dashboard or whatever the PS3 calls it, is also in 7.1 channels.

Silly question... have you run MCACC calibration on the Pio yet? I have a 74txvi... the rears were much too low prior to calibration. As many people have said over in the avr section, pioneer's mcacc is really, really accurate on a per room basis. It made a huge difference in my setup.

I am running in PCM 7.1 also, but I only have a 5.1 setup. Mirage Omni 50's on the corners, Mirage Omni-CC for the center, Mirage S10 sub

Silly question... have you run MCACC calibration on the Pio yet? I have a 74txvi... the rears were much too low prior to calibration. As many people have said over in the avr section, pioneer's mcacc is really, really accurate on a per room basis. It made a huge difference in my setup.

I am running in PCM 7.1 also, but I only have a 5.1 setup. Mirage Omni 50's on the corners, Mirage Omni-CC for the center, Mirage S10 sub

First thing when I bought the system.

I fine tuned every speaker until all where outputting 75db across the board at reference.

Again, I still feel that GoW sounds much better with DD 5.1

First thing when I bought the system.

I fine tuned every speaker until all where outputting 75db across the board at reference.

Again, I still feel that GoW sounds much better with DD 5.1

On my system, while I like the actual sound effects better for how the bad guys(locust talk) in Gears more. The Surround usage is more aggressive in Gears as well.

The actual musical score sound quality and sound effects are definitely richer sounding on Resistance. The same CD downloaded to both systems, the PS3 version definitely sounds better as well. Speakers are ENERGY Reference Connoisseur RC-30's, but was true with using older Energy C-3's (now my rear's) and C-5's (sold, ex front speakers).

Now wait of minute, are these receivers you guys are using actually accepting LPCM 7.1, or is sound just going out through every speaker you have?

There are very few receivers out there that properly do LPCM 7.1.
My friend has a 7.1 setup, but I know it's not REAL LPCM 7.1.

Sorry, I just want to make sure we know there's a difference between 7.1 and real LPCM 7.1 outputting as intended.

Yes the 82 does Multi-channel PCM audio. 7.1 channels actually lights up on my receiver.

Now wait of minute, are these receivers you guys are using actually accepting LPCM 7.1, or is sound just going out through every speaker you have?

There are very few receivers out there that properly do LPCM 7.1.
My friend has a 7.1 setup, but I know it's not REAL LPCM 7.1.

Sorry, I just want to make sure we know there's a difference between 7.1 and real LPCM 7.1 outputting as intended.

Pioneer Elites support it properly.

First thing when I bought the system.

I fine tuned every speaker until all where outputting 75db across the board at reference.

Again, I still feel that GoW sounds much better with DD 5.1

I will hopefully have a 360 soon... looking forward to trying it myself. I would have had one earlier, but the HDMI revision rumors spooked me. Still are, honestly.

Alright, thanks for the confirmation guys.

Do A/V receivers apply PLIIx or any other processing to a 5.1 or 6.1 LPCM track?

I have a 7.1 system and if I use optical out my receiver will process any signal to include all 7 speakers, but I am unsure if the same thing happens with a LPCM track.

^^

My 82 will apply PLXII to LPCM audio or any other DSP for that matter.

I'm torn between PLXII + MV and THX Select2 Cinema.

Do A/V receivers apply PLIIx or any other processing to a 5.1 or 6.1 LPCM track?

I have a 7.1 system and if I use optical out my receiver will process any signal to include all 7 speakers, but I am unsure if the same thing happens with a LPCM track.


Unfortunately, most don't. I was almost going to upgrade to the Panasonic SA-XR700 till I found out that if a Blu Ray disk has a 5.1 PCM audio track (which alot of them do), you can't layer PLIIx on top of that. For me, that's a deal breaker. I have a 7.1 setup, and I don't want two of my surround speakers to be unused. The thing that sucks about it, is that it's going to be a long time before I find a receiver that can layer PLIIx over 5.1 lossless sources, as well as do native 7.1 lossless and still be within my budget. Under $600 out the door.

Unfortunately, most don't. I was almost going to upgrade to the Panasonic SA-XR700 till I found out that if a Blu Ray disk has a 5.1 PCM audio track (which alot of them do), you can't layer PLIIx on top of that. For me, that's a deal breaker. I have a 7.1 setup, and I don't want two of my surround speakers to be unused. The thing that sucks about it, is that it's going to be a long time before I find a receiver that can layer PLIIx over 5.1 lossless sources, as well as do native 7.1 lossless and still be within my budget. Under $600 out the door.

That is what I thought. The last thing I would want is to have my 2 new rear speakers going unsued because I can't apply any processing to it.

I just watched the interview for Lair. If what the developer says is true, all this downplaying of the PS3 and hyping the 360 over the PS3 is BS. Why would he say only the PS3 is capable of doing some things that the developers are doing with Lair that Wii and 360 can't?


because he doesn't know what he's talking about? factor 5 is the very epitome of the gaming equivalent of the one hit wonder. they made that star wars game engine, milked it dry over 5 or so games, and now think they can speak authoritatively on the capabilities of consoles they have no experience with? forgive me if i'm a bit leery...

metalsaber, I need some clarification please:
Over what physical connection are you getting 7.1? I have my PS3, and am getting a separation bonus from the Air Force, and am building (on paper for now) my new media room. When i was configuring the PS3 for my current setup, they only showed 2 channel audio for use over HDMI. Are you getting 7.1 over the HDMI from the PS3?

Thanks in advance

metalsaber, I need some clarification please:
Over what physical connection are you getting 7.1? I have my PS3, and am getting a separation bonus from the Air Force, and am building (on paper for now) my new media room. When i was configuring the PS3 for my current setup, they only showed 2 channel audio for use over HDMI. Are you getting 7.1 over the HDMI from the PS3?

Thanks in advance

I have my PS3 connected via HDMI to my Pioneer Elite VSX82 receiver. It can do 7.1 channels of LPCM via HDMI. This will cover you for BD, HD-DVD movies and any games that use the advanced audio codecs.

There are NOT many receivers on the market that do multi channel PCM audio via HDMI. Mostly it is the upper end receivers.



BTW, Thanks for serving!!!

I have my PS3 connected via HDMI to my Pioneer Elite VSX82 receiver. It can do 7.1 channels of LPCM via HDMI. This will cover you for BD, HD-DVD movies and any games that use the advanced audio codecs.

There are NOT many receivers on the market that do multi channel PCM audio via HDMI. Mostly it is the upper end receivers.



BTW, Thanks for serving!!!

Can your Pioneer add effects, like Matrix soundfields (ie. Dolby IIx) to 5-channel LPCM soundtracks?

I have a Denon AVR-4306 and it does 7.1 LPCM, through HDMI. Unfortunately I am running HDMI and optical to my receiver from my PS3, because when I play a PS2 game like SOCOM, it only ouputs in the front 2 channels. Maybe i'm doing something wrong???

Also, I feel I would rather have the surround processing done from my Denon, that's why I use the optical.

I wish my Denon had a v1.3 HDMI.......

You guys are all lucky. I ran everything through my Pioneer Elite and my Engery Take 5.2 speaker system and gorgeous 65" Sharp RPTV. The only time I get to play is after my 3yr goes to sleep. After a few complaints from my wife that all the explosions were keeping her and my daughter awake, I've been relgated to my TV speakers :( Set at level 8 :( :(

Can your Pioneer add effects, like Matrix soundfields (ie. Dolby IIx) to 5-channel LPCM soundtracks?

I can add PLXII, PLXII + Movie, PLXII + Music, THX Select2 Cinema, and some others.

I am running the vsx-84txsi with LPCM giving me full discrete 7.1 channels of audio delight from my PS3. It is SWEET. Turning around in R:FOM is perfect and i can follow the sound from speaker to speaker. Just like any other new Pioneer receiver, it will show when it is receiving the 8 channels as opposed to 6. Now I just need an 8 channel sound card for my computer that outputs in the digital domain. I do not want to connect the 8 channels directly analog if i can avoid it.

I have a Denon AVR-4306 and it does 7.1 LPCM, through HDMI. Unfortunately I am running HDMI and optical to my receiver from my PS3, because when I play a PS2 game like SOCOM, it only ouputs in the front 2 channels. Maybe i'm doing something wrong???

Also, I feel I would rather have the surround processing done from my Denon, that's why I use the optical.

I wish my Denon had a v1.3 HDMI.......
Arent you just getting 5.1 with prologicIIx processing applied to it??? If not, how are you getting 7.1 discrete pcm channels??? I was talking with someone who has that exact same receiver and cannot get 7.1 DISCRETE channels with the PS3 connected through the HDMI input. I happen to have the Denon 3806 and I cant get 7.1 PCM discrete channels either...only 5.1 with prologicIIx processing. The person I talked to called Denon and they tried to tell him it was a compatibility issue with the ps3 but I also talked to them and they just dont know what they are talking about since they say something different all the time depending on who you talk to...if you get in contact with them in the first place...

Brian

I can add PLXII, PLXII + Movie, PLXII + Music, THX Select2 Cinema, and some others.

Thank you metalsaber for all your info on the Pioneer VSX-82TXS. You made It easier to make my decision. ^_^

Thank you metalsaber for all your info on the Pioneer VSX-82TXS. You made It easier to make my decision. ^_^
just remember that the pioneers have the weak LFE channel right now but they just released a firmware fix for it but you got to take it or send it to a pioneer service center to install it. I would love to get a pioneer vsx84 but this is stalling me.

Take care,
Brian

Does anyone have 7.1 working with a Denon 3805?

I have my PS3 connected via HDMI to my Pioneer Elite VSX82 receiver. It can do 7.1 channels of LPCM via HDMI. This will cover you for BD, HD-DVD movies and any games that use the advanced audio codecs.

There are NOT many receivers on the market that do multi channel PCM audio via HDMI. Mostly it is the upper end receivers.



BTW, Thanks for serving!!!
your welcome, my wife still will be (in fact she just left for 6 months). For some reason, I only get options for 2ch output to my old Samsung DVD/all-in-one, and those don't even get played. I get nothing out of my PS3 optical when hooked up to my DVD player, so I have to use the ol' stereo RCA hook up. Not very happy about that.

just remember that the pioneers have the weak LFE channel right now but they just released a firmware fix for it but you got to take it or send it to a pioneer service center to install it. I would love to get a pioneer vsx84 but this is stalling me.

Take care,
Brian

Yea I know, but I have three sub's In my system so I'm hoping I won't notice to much. :cool:

Yea I know, but I have three sub's In my system so I'm hoping I won't notice to much. :cool:

Very nice. I'm sure you are gonna enjoy it. I know I am. :D

I have a Denon AVR-4306 and it does 7.1 LPCM, through HDMI. Unfortunately I am running HDMI and optical to my receiver from my PS3, because when I play a PS2 game like SOCOM, it only ouputs in the front 2 channels. Maybe i'm doing something wrong???

Also, I feel I would rather have the surround processing done from my Denon, that's why I use the optical.

I wish my Denon had a v1.3 HDMI.......


I am a bit curious about this because i have a 4306 and mine will not see anything over 5.1 pcm Can you give some more info please?

Yea I know, but I have three sub's In my system so I'm hoping I won't notice to much. :cool:
I have more than 1 sub too and a SMS-1 sub EQ but none of that is not going to help out the fact that the PCM LFE channel is not boosted in the AVR. You wont be getting what you are supposed to be getting. Shouldn't be too hard to get it fixed though...just an annoying hassel.


Take care,
Brian

I have more than 1 sub too and a SMS-1 sub EQ but none of that is not going to help out the fact that the PCM LFE channel is not boosted in the AVR. You wont be getting what you are supposed to be getting. Shouldn't be too hard to get it fixed though...just an annoying hassel.


Take care,
Brian

I purchased a three year warrenty for the Pio Elite VSX-82, so am I covered for the update? :confused:

I purchased a three year warrenty for the Pio Elite VSX-82, so am I covered for the update? :confused:
yea, I would think so...It should be real easy to get the firmware installed depending on where the nearest pioneer service center is located by you. You may have to ship it which would be the only real hassel in my opinion. Be glad you dont own a denon that you their customer service help with...I got one and they just dont respond to you half the time or they dont know what they are talking about when they do. Pioneer has already responded more to my questions about their LFE issues than denon has gotten back to me.

Take care,
Brian

I purchased a three year warrenty for the Pio Elite VSX-82, so am I covered for the update? :confused:

I think firmware updates are probably covered regardless of warranties. The warranty would only apply if your unit was broke and needed it fixed.

I think firmware updates are probably covered regardless of warranties. The warranty would only apply if your unit was broke and needed it fixed.

:cool:

When playing resistance w/ 7.1 pcm over hdmi, is the MCACC settings still set? I think I've read that MCACC does not work w/ 7.1 thru hdmi.

^^

It does work. I have 2 different MCACC settings and flipping between the 2, I definitely notice a difference.

When playing resistance w/ 7.1 pcm over hdmi, is the MCACC settings still set? I think I've read that MCACC does not work w/ 7.1 thru hdmi.

I think the 82 does it, but my 74 does not. One of the things they added in this year's model. But you should probably check me on that. Pioneer has manuals available for download on their website.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/category/landing/0,,2076_310069655,00.html

edit: Doh! My 74 does do MCACC, it does not do some of the processing modes. My fault for the mis-info.

When playing resistance w/ 7.1 pcm over hdmi, is the MCACC settings still set? I think I've read that MCACC does not work w/ 7.1 thru hdmi.


choosing direct will use MCACC, choosing stream direct will bypass your MCACC settings.

I find it sounds better with stream direct. But i think i need to run the MCACC again. Switch between the two to see what one you prefer.

who can recommend a decent htib that is capable of outputting 7.1 lossless...thx in advance.

I have a Denon AVR-4306 and it does 7.1 LPCM, through HDMI. Unfortunately I am running HDMI and optical to my receiver from my PS3, because when I play a PS2 game like SOCOM, it only ouputs in the front 2 channels. Maybe i'm doing something wrong???

Also, I feel I would rather have the surround processing done from my Denon, that's why I use the optical.

I wish my Denon had a v1.3 HDMI.......

I was considering getting the Denon AVR-4306 before the new Denon HDMI 1.3 receivers come out because I have the PS3 and two extra speakers. I've looked into this as well and have heard that the 4306 should do 7.1 PCM, but I don't know if there are any issues with the PS3 output. Hopefully, someone can confirm this set-up works because this could make or break my purchase decision.

I was considering getting the Denon AVR-4306 before the new Denon HDMI 1.3 receivers come out because I have the PS3 and two extra speakers. I've looked into this as well and have heard that the 4306 should do 7.1 PCM, but I don't know if there are any issues with the PS3 output. Hopefully, someone can confirm this set-up works because this could make or break my purchase decision.
Ok..I can explain the issue about this...I just talked to denon and they said with some of the early production models of the 3806 and most likely 4306 that a firmware was not installed that allowed 7.1 pcm through hdmi, only 5.1. Some people with these avr's will get 7.1 pcm and some wont depending on the serial# of it and if it has that firmware installed. I own the 3806 and dont get 7.1 pcm but denon said I can send it in and they will add it. The funny thing about it is... I bought this receiver on december 10th 2006 and they came out in october 2005 I think. I guess if your going to buy one, call denon and find out the serial #'s of the ones that will or wont handle 7.1 pcm through hdmi.

Take care,
Brian

Thanks, I tried asking Crutchfield to verify the production models they carry of the 4306 are the latest and will accept the 7.1 PCM HDMI signal from the PS3. But actually they seem very confused and are not even aware that the PS3 is HDMI 1.3 or that 7.1 PCM can be passed through 1.1 HDMI to some AVR's.

Doesn't give me much comfort, but I've heard that they have good customer service so this just mean they fix problems by taking things back without a hassle and not that they actually know what they are talking about.

I think that you have 30 days to return products from them, but I have $2,050 in gift certificates to use and they are burning a hole in my pocket right now. I wonder what they give you back if you use gift certificates to make the purchase???

I have a Denon AVR-4306 and it does 7.1 LPCM, through HDMI. Unfortunately I am running HDMI and optical to my receiver from my PS3, because when I play a PS2 game like SOCOM, it only ouputs in the front 2 channels. Maybe i'm doing something wrong???

Also, I feel I would rather have the surround processing done from my Denon, that's why I use the optical.

I wish my Denon had a v1.3 HDMI.......

FYI I have the same receiver and I have played around with it a bit. I have the same problem, but it looks to be the PS3 and not the Denon. I was doing the same switch on both the receiver and the PS3 as well, but the problem is that the PS3 is sending Socom as 7.1. What you have to do is continue to use the HDMI audio and set up manually on the PS3. Deselect everything PCM 5.1 and higher and then the PS3 sends the right signal via HDMI audio to the Denon and it decodes it with NEO 6 or PLIIx etc.