24 on FOX - Day 6 - NO SPOILERS

[nikeykid]

Good start. What I like about this show is that despite always being in LA, and having the same sort of plots, etc. they are never afraid to shake things up on the personal level with the characters. They create characters we care about (loving or hating) and then put them in real jeopardy. Sometimes that means killing them off.

That (and Jack's general badassness) is what keeps me tuning in.

yup, its not like they sit around and have a cup of tea. they are in the business of pursuing very dangerous people.

curtis did suffer from a bout of bad acting last night ... "what? did i hear that correctly?" ... he has very limited range.

[Iteki]

curtis did suffer from a bout of bad acting last night ... "what? did i hear that correctly?" ... he has very limited range.

Yeah, his developing a personality was a clue of sorts that he wouldn't be around long lol.

[bphisig]

I wonder how long it will be before we figure out what it was Wayne Palmer gave to the Chinese in order to get Jack from them? It hasn't been mentioned yet, other than he paid a "very steep price".

Also, we the suicide bomber on the bus at the beginning of the first episode Asian looking? A friend of mine brought it up, and I have already deleted it from the DVR.

[CPanther95]

And Curtis gets all in a lather over soldiers who took a soldiers chance and got unlucky.

Pretty benign way to describe the guy personally beheading two unarmed soldiers/friends.

[turansformer]

Pretty benign way to describe the guy personally beheading two unarmed soldiers/friends.

Yeah, I'd probably want to kill him too if he did that to two of my best friends.

[jonnythan]

Also, [was] the suicide bomber on the bus at the beginning of the first episode Asian looking? A friend of mine brought it up, and I have already deleted it from the DVR.
He was. The moment I saw him, I said "hey, that guy's Asian.. think the Chinese are behind the bombings?"

But now I realize that Fayed doesn't really seem to have an issue with the ethnicity of his henchmen. Ahmed is clearly Indian, so the other guy may have been Indonesian or something. Plenty of Muslims in both of those nations.

[scanpa]

Just want to point out, they said it was his Lt. who did the killing of those 2 soldiers not Al-Assad himself.

[Aliens]

Don’t forget the ‘white’ Marine helped the ‘nuke builder’ escape on the bus. When it comes to terrorists on 24, there is no 100% ethnicity to follow – everyone is suspect.

[Iteki]

Pretty benign way to describe the guy personally beheading two unarmed soldiers/friends.

It wasn't him personally, it was one of his aides (as described by chloe). But yes, he was responsible for it.

My point was that Jack has made much more personal and painful compromises in the past in the name of Duty and Obedience (Nina).

And who are Jack or Curtis to somehow point fingers about torture and murder exactly? Death and torture are the tools of the trade in their business, regardless of the government/shadow agency/terror organization.

As for beheadings...does "I need a hacksaw!" ring a bell? (postmortem of course)

[Iteki]

Don’t forget the ‘white’ Marine helped the ‘nuke builder’ escape on the bus. When it comes to terrorists on 24, there is no 100% ethnicity to follow – everyone is suspect.

If I had to guess (and that's all it is really), I'd say they paid him off. He can never go back to his previous life, he likely took the money and ran.

[turansformer]

As for beheadings...does "I need a hacksaw!" ring a bell? (postmortem of course)

That definitely takes a spot in my "Top Ten WTF? Moments" in 24.

[jonnythan]

Just want to point out, they said it was his Lt. who did the killing of those 2 soldiers not Al-Assad himself.
No.

They specifically said that Assad "personally" beheaded the two men.

[scanpa]

No.

They specifically said that Assad "personally" beheaded the two men.

I am sorry but your wrong, they said his Lt. personally beheaded the 2 soldiers.

[Stryker412]

I noticed last year that fox would bit starve 24. Most of the shows were transmitted @ less than 8mb/s, whereas American Idol would be north of 12mb/s. I assume they don't want people making good copies, hurt DVD sales ;)

I just checked my file sizes. The first night's 2hr premiere was 1.98GB, but last night's 2 hr show was only 1.09GB. Something odd is going on.

[jonnythan]

I am sorry but your wrong, they said his Lt. personally beheaded the 2 soldiers.
Are you sure? I was pretty certain when I heard it last night. Do you have it recorded? Maybe transcribe the entire quote?

[Iteki]

I am sorry but your wrong, they said his Lt. personally beheaded the 2 soldiers.

Correct. However, I have it DVRd still at home, so I'll double check.

[ridgefamus]

Plenty of Muslims in both of those nations.

Ummm, if I may try to be politically correct, I think we need to focus more on radical Islamic fundamentalists as our typical terrorist population rather than Muslims.

[WilliamR]

One of the best shows on TV. I knew how it ended (I just guessed), I knew what would happen with Curtis the first time he saw the guy (I could so easily guess). But when it all happened, I was still sitting there with my mouth hanging open.

Man I love this show.

[jonnythan]

Ummm, if I may try to be politically correct, I think we need to focus more on radical Islamic fundamentalists as our typical terrorist population rather than Muslims.
You do realize that Muslims are followers if Islam, right? That's what Muslim means.

Would you feel better if I said "plenty of radical, fundamentalist Muslims" or "plenty of Muslims, who could potentially be courted and converted to terrorist beliefs by Muslims who are already terrorists"?

[JCL]

I just checked my file sizes. The first night's 2hr premiere was 1.98GB, but last night's 2 hr show was only 1.09GB. Something odd is going on.

I was hoping they wouldn't touch "24". If they want to ruin people's copies, they would have done anything of the following:

- Populate the show with graphics of upcoming shows. "You are now watching "24". "American Idol" Premieres tomorrow at 8." NBC, CBS and ABC are all doing it.
- Needless plugs for products: "To learn more about using your cellphone as a GPS, go to Nextel.com" ... etc.
- Put in an extra large Fox logo. (Seems like the affiliates are doing it for them)
- Intentionally mess up the feed occasionally (some of the ones we're seeing are fortunately unintentional, but bad nonetheless).

[cherry ghost]

Are you sure? I was pretty certain when I heard it last night. Do you have it recorded? Maybe transcribe the entire quote?


Chloe over the phone to Jack: "Assad's Lt. forced the men from Curtis' patrol to beg for their lives and then personally beheaded them both."

[CPanther95]

You guys are right - just checked the DVR. "Assad's Lt. forced the men from Curtis' patrol to beg for their lives and then personally beheaded them both"

I didn't catch the "Lt." when watching live. As stupid as it sounds, that makes all the difference in my mind. Not as far as culpability, but from the standpoint of Curtis' responsibility to squelch his desires for the good of the (current) mission.

Hopefully all that witnessed the event are smart enough to learn to do exactly what Jack says from now on. :)

EDIT: Just saw Cherry's post - consider my quote confirmation.

[jonnythan]

I think I heard it live as Assad's Lt. forcing them to beg for their lives and then Assad personally beheading them both. I still think that's the way they meant it, but the actual quote does make it seem relatively explicit that it was his Lt.

Thanks.

[bphisig]

As for beheadings...does "I need a hacksaw!" ring a bell? (postmortem of course)

Best quote in the history of the show. Nothing else comes close.

[Steve Schauer]

It was definitely not Hassad who beheaded the soldiers.

I'm sorry, but I thought Curtis's death was very poorly written. I don't mind LA traffic miracles or kung fu movie style fighting heroics or MacGyver stuff (in fact I love all of that) - but IMO Curtis would never have freaked out to that level over some dead comrades, no matter what the circumstances. If he was that emotional, shouldn't he have been a little more pissed about Jack being handed over for torture and death to the same group?

And even if you buy that it could happen, Curtis would have just offed Hassad in one swift move, not grabbed him and waited for Jack to shoot him.

I disliked the opening gambit for the same reason - it was just a setup so Kiefer could 'emote' and we would get the point that his character has some sadness issues. Maybe next season he could start seeing a psychiatrist.

OTOH, I loved the neck biting.

[Iteki]

but IMO Curtis would never have freaked out to that level over some dead comrades, no matter what the circumstances. If he was that emotional, shouldn't he have been a little more pissed about Jack being handed over for torture and death to the same group?


OTOH, I loved the neck biting.


The problem I have with how they set this up is that Curtis had shown ZERO personality in previous seasons. No sense of humor, no rebel streak, he just followed orders and got the job done. Now he's making sarcastic remarks and going off the reservation to settle a personal score?

But I nitpick. All characters and storylines serve Jack Bauer's character. If Curtis has to die for us to see Jack emote, so be it :-)

[Iteki]

Hopefully all that witnessed the event are smart enough to learn to do exactly what Jack says from now on. :)



Good point, not only do they have to worry about Jack GETTING them killed, he might just kill them HIMSELF if they stand in his way.

"Can I transfer to any other CTU office besides LA please?"

[R11]

Last night at the end of the news they did a short segment on the new JB action figures:

http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=535ce758-3102-4d49-bfe9-b82cdeecc3b9

They were saying that the reason one of the figures had been delayed was that they had sent the lone prototype to Kiefer Sutherland for approval, and he apparently proceeded to take it out for a night of partying with a bunch of his drinking buddies. Seems they took turns "torturing" it through out the night and it ended up being being unusable because it had been "melted" into a unrecognizable blob.

OH NO, NOT THE NAPALM! :D


ron

[WirelessGuru]

I wonder who's next to go?

[sangs]

Last night at the end of the news they did a short segment on the new JB action figures:
http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=535ce758-3102-4d49-bfe9-b82cdeecc3b9
They were saying that the reason one of the figures had been delayed was that they had sent the lone prototype to Kiefer Sutherland for approval, and he apparently proceeded to take it out for a night of partying with a bunch of his drinking buddies. Seems they took turns "torturing" it through out the night and it ended up being being unusable because it had been "melted" into a unrecognizable blob.
OH NO, NOT THE NAPALM! :D
ron

Exactly what child of the age that plays with action figures is being allowed to watch "24?" :eek: :eek: :eek:

[AntennaMan1]

Best quote in the history of the show. Nothing else comes close.
"You probably don't think that I can force this towel down your throat. But trust me, I can. All the way. Except I'd hold onto this one little bit at the end. When your stomach starts to digest it, I pull it out. Taking your stomach lining with it. For most people it would take about a week to die. It's very painful." Day 1 10am - 11am

[tonybradley]

I've watched every season and every season I say "Give me a break...that's so far fetched it laughable". This season has been the worst and my wife and I have laughed at so many things this season.

But, I can't wait for next week's episode...what can I say :D

[archiguy]

Exactly what child of the age that plays with action figures is being allowed to watch "24?" :eek: :eek: :eek:

Ummm, apparently Kiefer. The dude does like to party-hardy, don't he? ;) But I see your point.

On a different subject, has the acting on this show always been this bad? Somebody mentioned that lame-o scene with Chloe, Milo, and Morris with Chloe brokering peace between them. I actually felt bad for Eric Balfour ("I came back to the show for this?"). After that, I think I'd be requesting they kill me off in heroic fashion later in the day. Some of the dialog was pretty cringeworthy last night. And Curtis never would have gone off the deep end like that; it was completely out of character. I know the scene was necessary to "shake things up" by killing off yet another main character and to show how emotionally damaged Jack is 'n all, but c'mon... he wouldn't have lost it like that, no-way, no-how. Curtis was a pro, man.

On the other hand, wouldn't it be great if they replaced him with super-agent and "the glue that holds the world of '24' together" Aaron Pierce?? Oh yeah.....!

[tonybradley]

Ummm, apparently Kiefer. The dude does like to party-hardy, don't he? ;) But I see your point.

On a different subject, has the acting on this show always been this bad? Somebody mentioned that lame-o scene with Chloe, Milo, and Morris with Chloe brokering peace between them. I actually felt bad for Eric Balfour ("I came back to the show for this?"). Some of the dialog was pretty cringeworthy last night. And Curtis never would have gone off the deep end like that; it was completely out of character. I know the scene was necessary to "shake things up" by killing off yet another main character and to show how emotionally damaged Jack is 'n all, but c'mon... he wouldn't have done that, no-way, no-how. Curtis was a pro, man.

On the other hand, wouldn't it be great if they replaced him with super-agent and "the glue that holds the world of '24' together" Aaron Pierce?? Oh yeah.....!

And on MLK Jr. Day. Come on Jack...what were you thinking? Curtis was one of my favorite characters. I agree, that was completely out of character for him and drove me insane they took that path.

[PhattyBoomBatty]

I think I heard it live as Assad's Lt. forcing them to beg for their lives and then Assad personally beheading them both. I still think that's the way they meant it, but the actual quote does make it seem relatively explicit that it was his Lt.

Thanks.

I agree with your interpretation, and the actual quote supports it. The key word is "personally." There would have been no reason to use that word if Chloe was implying that the Lt. performed the beheadings.

[jonnythan]

I agree with your interpretation, and the actual quote supports it. The key word is "personally." There would have been no reason to use that word if Chloe was implying that the Lt. performed the beheadings.
It's hard either way. I choose to interpret it that way as well, because it's plausible given the text and the situation and Curtis' reaction would make no sense otherwise.

[keenan]

And Curtis never would have gone off the deep end like that; it was completely out of character.
I agree, his demise was telegraphed waaaaay before it happened, completely out of character leading up to his death.

[PhattyBoomBatty]

I just thought of something. Wouldn't the remaining nukes be pretty much worthless now that the one guy who could figure out how to arm them is dead? Or is there a small army of Islamic fundamentalist nuclear engineers with detailed knowledge of Russian suitcase nukes?

In response to my own question, I guess the remaining nukes do not need to be Russian suitcase nukes, but could be any form of nuclear weapon that could have been supplied to the terrorists (by North Korea for example) in a fully-functional state. Now that I think of it, there is no guarantee that the remaining "visitors" are even nuclear weapons.

[jonnythan]

I just thought of something. Wouldn't the remaining nukes be pretty much worthless now that the one guy who could figure out how to arm them is dead? Or is there a small army of Islamic fundamentalist nuclear engineers with detailed knowledge of Russian suitcase nukes?

In response to my own question, I guess the remaining nukes do not need to be Russian suitcase nukes, but could be any form of nuclear weapon that could have been supplied to the terrorists (by North Korea for example) in a fully-functional state. Now that I think of it, there is no guarantee that the remaining "visitors" are even nuclear weapons.
Also, everyone who knows that the terrorist nuclear technician dude died in the explosion is either a terrorist or died alongside him.

[PhattyBoomBatty]

Also, everyone who knows that the terrorist nuclear technician dude died in the explosion is either a terrorist or died alongside him.

I think Fayed will have a pretty good idea that he's dead since a) the explosion went off before planned and b) he never made it to the safehouse that Fayed was camped in as planned.

[Aliens]

I guess the remaining nukes do not need to be Russian suitcase nukes, but could be any form of nuclear weapon that could have been supplied to the terrorists (by North Korea for example) in a fully-functional state.
Irony of all ironies; one of those nukes could have the ole Red, White and Blue on it. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least to see that play out. Although, 24 is on FOX. :)

[jonnythan]

I think Fayed will have a pretty good idea that he's dead since a) the explosion went off before planned and b) he never made it to the safehouse that Fayed was camped in as planned.
I realize this may be open to interpretation, but I believe Fayed falls under the "terrorist" category I mentioned.

At the very least, I doubt he will be telling CTU "hey, see, my nuclear scientist is dead so, you know, don't worry about me detonating the other nukes anymore" ;)

[PhattyBoomBatty]

I realize this may be open to interpretation, but I believe Fayed falls under the "terrorist" category I mentioned.

At the very least, I doubt he will be telling CTU "hey, see, my nuclear scientist is dead so, you know, don't worry about me detonating the other nukes anymore" ;)

You're right. I misread your post.

[pankwindu]

I agree with your interpretation, and the actual quote supports it. The key word is "personally." There would have been no reason to use that word if Chloe was implying that the Lt. performed the beheadings.
I also believe that the existence of "personally" means they (the writers/producers) meant for Hassad himself to be the one who performed the beheadings. Maybe the quote was scripted originally as "Hassad had his Lt. force the men to beg and then personally beheaded them both" and got mangled through multiple rewrites and/or takes, and being so close to the correct story themselves they didn't catch the change in meaning.

[R11]

I agree with your interpretation, and the actual quote supports it. The key word is "personally." There would have been no reason to use that word if Chloe was implying that the Lt. performed the beheadings.That was the way I took it too. But still, the timeline on FOX.com says:


9:52 A.M.

Jillian returns home, and Jack explains that his team will try to save Ray. Chloe tells Jack that she found a connection between Curtis and Assad. After Desert Storm, Assad’s men ambushed Curtis’s squad and beheaded some of his soldiers.




ron

[Iteki]

I just thought of something. Wouldn't the remaining nukes be pretty much worthless now that the one guy who could figure out how to arm them is dead? Or is there a small army of Islamic fundamentalist nuclear engineers with detailed knowledge of Russian suitcase nukes?



Dunno...


Coulc be that:

A) He Programmed them before he was captured
B) He Programmed them along with the one we saw him work on.
C) The other 4 didn't need to be reprogrammed at all

[CPanther95]

Wife said she felt bad for the father that got caught up in the blast. I said of the 10,000 people incinerated, he was one of the few that helped them set it off - feel sorry for the other 9,990 people.

[Iteki]

"You probably don't think that I can force this towel down your throat. But trust me, I can. All the way. Except I'd hold onto this one little bit at the end. When your stomach starts to digest it, I pull it out. Taking your stomach lining with it. For most people it would take about a week to die. It's very painful." Day 1 10am - 11am

I have to give the Hacksaw quote the higher rating, due to the total shock of Jack shooting the guy point blank (out of nowhere), then the incomprehensible (at the time) request for a hacksaw. Blew me away at the time.

[jonnythan]

I have to give the Hacksaw quote the higher rating, due to the total shock of Jack shooting the guy point blank (out of nowhere), then the incomprehensible (at the time) request for a hacksaw. Blew me away at the time.
I remember the quote.. remind me of the context?

[RDK006]

Exactly what child of the age that plays with action figures is being allowed to watch "24?" :eek: :eek: :eek:
You have no idea of the market for action figures these days do you? It's not kids who buy them.

[Iteki]

I remember the quote.. remind me of the context?

Season 2 opener. Jack has been widowed for about a year and left government service. He's called back to help when it's found that a White Supremacy group that he investigated has ties to a current terrorist threat. Jack had gone undercover then betrayed them.

After the President personally calls him at his pathetic bachelor pad, Jack reluctantly agrees to come back and help temporarily.

When he arrives at CTU, he's told that they have a Federally protected witness (he's testifying against the White Supremacists) who has information they need, but he won't give it up. He already has his immunity deal, so he figures why bother helping anymore than he originally agreed to do.

Jack goes in the room, asks him a few short questions, then notes "It says here you're a convicted pedophile, is that correct?" The guys confirms it. Jack then pulls his gun and shoots him in through the heart in an instant!

As his boss comes in crying bloody murder (literally), Jacks bends over the body, looks up at his boss and says "I need a hacksaw!"

Jack took his head to the white supremacists as a peace offering and 'proof' that it wasn't him that betrayed them.

[Aliens]

Wife said she felt bad for the father that got caught up in the blast. I said of the 10,000 people incinerated, he was one of the few that helped them set it off - feel sorry for the other 9,990 people.
Tough call. I don’t think many people would sacrifice a family member if they had hope things might turn out for the best, and clearly he did. At that particular point that was his only concern and focus, so I think it was very understandable. Easy to say after the fact, but under those circumstances I think I would have done the same thing. Give me a crystal ball and it’s a different story.

[CPanther95]

You have no idea of the market for action figures these days do you? It's not kids who buy them.

I'm not so sure that adults that play with action figures should be watching 24 either.

[TommyK]

Last night at the end of the news they did a short segment on the new JB action figures:

They were saying that the reason one of the figures had been delayed was that they had sent the lone prototype to Kiefer Sutherland for approval, and he apparently proceeded to take it out for a night of partying with a bunch of his drinking buddies. Seems they took turns "torturing" it through out the night and it ended up being being unusable because it had been "melted" into a unrecognizable blob.

OH NO, NOT THE NAPALM! :D

ron

Kiefer was a guest on Conan last week and told the story. Very funny hearing him describe it in his own words.

[EmptyPocketsCarl]

Gads - the writing this season is, once again, SOOOO Manny Coto. Is he still involved? I keep wondering how much cooler this show would be with someone like David Eick at the helm instead of Manny 'Bad Star Trek Writer' Coto. The scene in the oval office where they break action for a quick description of suitcase nukes was pathetic.

[rezzy]

Sorry, guys.....I tried to watch last night, but just couldn't sit through it. For myself it was just more of the same. I think Jack in China would've been waaay more interesting. Mind you, I'm not calling 24 junk....just stale. And I wonder if Keifer is starting to get as uninterested as I am.

[TommyK]

Sorry, guys.....I tried to watch last night, but just couldn't sit through it...
You are forgiven.

[EmptyPocketsCarl]

And I wonder if Keifer is starting to get as uninterested as I am.

I believe there may have been some honest emotion behind his scene where he tells CTU he's through.... ;-)

[R11]

Kiefer was a guest on Conan last week and told the story. Very funny hearing him describe it in his own words.I would have liked to have caught that. I think it would have been pretty entertaining to have seen them doing it. It's not everyday you see a bunch of drunk grown men torturing the crap out of a doll :).

"Oh Jack Bauer, you're such a tough son of a b*tch! Take this you little punk!"


ron

[rezzy]

You are forgiven.Thank you.....and don't tell the Bauermeister. BTW, I would've paid money to see him take the Chinese Water-Torture.

[John Chu]

Sorry, guys.....I tried to watch last night, but just couldn't sit through it. For myself it was just more of the same. I think Jack in China would've been waaay more interesting. Mind you, I'm not calling 24 junk....just stale. And I wonder if Keifer is starting to get as uninterested as I am.

I agree with you--I enjoyed all four hours of the premiere, but it is starting to be more of the same. Nukes, Terrorists and conspiracies.

As others have said, this season would have been a great opportunity to move the show into another city like New York.

Still, I'll keep watching... As long as it is better than Season 3. ;-)

[ricwhite]

I'm a little confused about the DVD released today of the first 4 episodes. What, exactly, is the purpose of buying it? Are they planning to release a DVD every 4 episodes? I have all the seasons on DVD, but I'd rather wait and buy the whole set than a DVD here and there.

[keenan]

I'm a little confused about the DVD released today of the first 4 episodes. What, exactly, is the purpose of buying it? Are they planning to release a DVD every 4 episodes? I have all the seasons on DVD, but I'd rather wait and buy the whole set than a DVD here and there.
Probably just to increase the hype, Fox did the same think with the first episode of "Over There". Possibly an attempt to curtail some BT'ing as well.

[JCL]

I'm a little confused about the DVD released today of the first 4 episodes. What, exactly, is the purpose of buying it? Are they planning to release a DVD every 4 episodes? I have all the seasons on DVD, but I'd rather wait and buy the whole set than a DVD here and there.

I think this is just a test. There are other ways: downloadable episodes on iTunes (although Fox and Apple need to strike a deal first), or episodes-on-demand from your cable/satellite provider ("Survivor" seems to have such a deal in place now). If you spend $10 on the DVD now, there's a $10 rebate toward the purchase of any full season of "24". Hopefully that applies to Season 6 when it comes out in December.

[lax01]

I'm a little confused about the DVD released today of the first 4 episodes. What, exactly, is the purpose of buying it? Are they planning to release a DVD every 4 episodes? I have all the seasons on DVD, but I'd rather wait and buy the whole set than a DVD here and there.

Probably has to do with them airing 4 episodes in such a short time period...they want to allow everyone to be able to see them at their own leisure...

[WirelessGuru]

Probably has to do with them airing 4 episodes in such a short time period...they want to allow everyone to be able to see them at their own leisure...D.V.R.V.C.R.R.W.D.V.D.....

[OrleansDawg]

Sorry, guys.....I tried to watch last night, but just couldn't sit through it. For myself it was just more of the same. I think Jack in China would've been waaay more interesting. Mind you, I'm not calling 24 junk....just stale. And I wonder if Keifer is starting to get as uninterested as I am.

The first hour of the 2nd night was pretty average but the ending of the 2nd night AND the first 2 hours were incredible.

The guy just never dies :D

[Sturchulious]

I think this is just a test. There are other ways: downloadable episodes on iTunes (although Fox and Apple need to strike a deal first), or episodes-on-demand from your cable/satellite provider ("Survivor" seems to have such a deal in place now). If you spend $10 on the DVD now, there's a $10 rebate toward the purchase of any full season of "24". Hopefully that applies to Season 6 when it comes out in December.


Just watched the commercial for this and it said the rebate was for seasons
one to five.

[NorthJersey]

I believe there may have been some honest emotion behind his scene where he tells CTU he's through.... ;-)

then, next week, when he tells Buchanen that he's back, is that also honest emotion, or was he thinking of all the $$$ he'd be missing out on, if he left ?

[scottro]

then, next week, when he tells Buchanen that he's back, is that also honest emotion, or was he thinking of all the $$$ he'd be missing out on, if he left ?

Wait, Jack gets paid?

Think of all the money he's been saving over the last few years. On the run in Mexico then straight to a Chinese prison. New from Fidelity: The Jack Bauer savings plan.

[scanpa]

A whole lot of Back Pay is due! Plus Bonuses for torture, slight loss of use of the hand. Disability, Mental fatigue ect....

[WilliamR]

Do you think they pay him hazzard pay?

[scanpa]

Do you think they pay him hazzard pay?

Yeah that Too! :D

[CPanther95]

Probably lose all his back pay to the IRS in penalties for not filing his last 2 tax returns.

[scanpa]

Probably lose all his back pay to the IRS in penalties for not filing his last 2 tax returns.

Wait, he was declared Dead 3.2 years before day 6 (2011 is the year BTW of day 6) and then was a POW. Either way, Alive or dead or POW status, no taxes for jack.

[keenan]

Probably lose all his back pay to the IRS in penalties for not filing his last 2 tax returns.
Having to deal with the IRS is real torture, not sure even our intrepid hero could survive that sort of abuse.

[CPanther95]

Wait, he was declared Dead 3.2 years before day 6 (2011 is the year BTW of day 6) and then was a POW. Either way, Alive or dead or POW status, no taxes for jack.

He can't get POW status if his actions were disavowed by the Gov't. Plus, if he was "dead" - no back pay. Sounds like Jack got hosed. :eek:

[jonnythan]

I'd expect an account set up somewhere in the Caymans with a relatively large lump sum placed into it by the feds. Give him the account # and that's that.

[scowl]

I can't remember Jack Bauer even having an address since season 2.

[jonnythan]

Don't you remember him living out in the middle of nowhere near that woman and her son at the start of last season?

What do you think he does in between seasons? Well, in between seasons where he's not in a Chinese prison.

[Iteki]

Don't you remember him living out in the middle of nowhere near that woman and her son at the start of last season?

What do you think he does in between seasons? Well, in between seasons where he's not in a Chinese prison.

Season 1 he lived in his house with his wife and daughter. He had just recently moved back in after shacking up with Nina while separated from his wife.
Between Seasons 1 and 2 Jack had his bachelor pad (nasty one at that) where he felt sorry for himself for a year.
Between 2 and 3 we didn't see his living conditions, he was undercover with the druglords getting hooked on heroin.
Between 3 and 4 Jack was in DC with Audrey and the SecDef, all we saw was him shacking up with her in a hotel
Between 4 and 5 jack was 'dead' and living all over the US (we only saw his most recent crash pad in that nasty hotel)
Between 5 and 6 Jack was staying at the Beijing Hilton getting tortured daily.

His life sucks.

Correct me if I got any of that wrong.

[scanpa]

Based on info, I think this is the timeline of when Each Season takes place)

24 Day 1 (2-2001)
season break - 17.5 Months after Day 1
24 Day 2 (7-2002)
season break - 36 Months after Day 2
24 Day 3 (7-2005)
season break - 18 Months after Day 3
24 Day 4 (1-2007)
season break - 18 Months after Day 4
24 Day 5 (7-2009)
season break - 20 Months after Day 5
24 Day 6 (3-2011)

[LL3HD]

I was watching the movie “Enemy of the State” last night (for the billionth time) and I totally forgot that the actress Regina King plays Will Smith’s wife (and an ACLU lawyer), and is President Palmer’s sister in 24.

I get lost in the characters and forget the actors playing them. Most times I have to be hit over the head to realize these things.

Anyway, the reason why I picked up on it right away, this time, was because her first few lines of dialog at the beginning of “Enemy of the State” were almost identical to some of her lines in this season’s 24.

If you don’t remember check it out it’s amusing and annoying.

[NorthJersey]

Good point, is that the only type of role that she can play ? Maybe she's been type-casted because that's really the only role she's had in movies for quite awhile

[keenan]

Aliens, I've received email notification twice for that YouTube interview, is it getting deleted? Excellent interview BTW, and no spoilers.

[Iteki]

Good point, is that the only type of role that she can play ? Maybe she's been type-casted because that's really the only role she's had in movies for quite awhile

She starred with Sandra Bullock in Miss Congeniality:Armed and Fabulous as Bullock's conservative partner.

[Aliens]

Aliens, I've received email notification twice for that YouTube interview, is it getting deleted? Excellent interview BTW, and no spoilers.
Sorry, keenan…and others. The truth is; I’m going for product placement :D – one of the first posts on the next page. :) With the varying ways people surf the net, I thought more posters would see it there. It wasn’t until after I hit delete the last time that I remembered the subscribers. Sorry, guys. :o

COMING SOON TO A POST NEAR YOU – KIEFER SULLIVAN: EXPOSED! :eek: :eek: SHOCKING! :eek: REVEALING! :eek: KIEFER LIKE YOU’VE NEVER SEEN HIM BEFORE! :eek:

Aspect ratio: 4:3

[Aliens]

She starred with Sandra Bullock in Miss Congeniality:Armed and Fabulous as Bullock's conservative partner.
Don't forget Ray.

[keenan]

:p

[Iteki]

Don't forget Ray.

Hanging Head In Shame....I didn't see it.... :-(

[rezzy]

A whole lot of Back Pay is due! Plus Bonuses for torture, slight loss of use of the hand. Disability, Mental fatigue ect.......heroine addiction....:eek:

[TommyK]

What do you think he does in between seasons?
I'd imagine he sleeps a lot.

[sangs]

Hanging Head In Shame....I didn't see it.... :-(

Unless you needed a cure for insomnia, you didn't need to.

[EmptyPocketsCarl]

Was in Target and saw a full shelf devoted to the 24 opener with only a couple left. I honestly just don't get it - see it for free, even DVR it if you want, and then buy the DVD???

Next they'll start selling other free stuff - like water.... DOH!!!!!!!!

[scanpa]

Was in Target and saw a full shelf devoted to the 24 opener with only a couple left. I honestly just don't get it - see it for free, even DVR it if you want, and then buy the DVD???

Next they'll start selling other free stuff - like water.... DOH!!!!!!!!
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hey dont say that, I get paid good $$$$$ for sitting at home and filling Nestlee water bottles from my tap and getting them sold at the local market. :rolleyes:

[leebo]

Why do I have a hunch that Tony Almeida never died?

If my guess counts as a spoiler, please delete.

No, not a spoiler.

Now, had he changed his name to Anthony to appear more grown up, and then changed it back to Tony for this show, it might be. ;)

[rezzy]

Next they'll start selling other free stuff - like water....Then, they're gonna start charging you to breathe air.....then, make you have to pay to watch television.....then, make you pay to watch people have sex on television....I heard this stuff thirty years ago as a kid; it's pretty much come true.

*Now, back to our program!*

[keenan]

When has water ever been free...?

[rezzy]

keenan, there are no mountain springs in Cali? There's one not too far from me; best tasting water ever....and it's free. Well....it's actually an underground bubbly-type spring.

[jonnythan]

Water is free and always has been.

However, the county usually expects you chip in for the cost of pumping, and cleaning the water. You're more than welcome to go get it and sanitize it yourself.

[scowl]

Does this DVD at least include the preseason 6 mini-episode that was on the season 5 DVD set that was never broadcast (since it's not in the 24 real time format)? It has a nice car chase and a taste of what fun Jack was having in China. It might be nice to have that without buying the whole season 5 set.

[keenan]

keenan, there are no mountain springs in Cali? There's one not too far from me; best tasting water ever....and it's free. Well....it's actually an underground bubbly-type spring.
Sure there are, but you need to own the land and a natural water source is always reflected in the price. Water is the most precious resource on the planet.

But we're getting way off topic. :p

[bpade]

Then, they're gonna start charging you to breathe air.....then, make you have to pay to watch television.....then, make you pay to watch people have sex on television....I heard this stuff thirty years ago as a kid; it's pretty much come true.

*Now, back to our program!*

http://www.fda.gov/Fdac/features/2002/602_air.html

[lax01]

Does this DVD at least include the preseason 6 mini-episode that was on the season 5 DVD set that was never broadcast (since it's not in the 24 real time format)? It has a nice car chase and a taste of what fun Jack was having in China. It might be nice to have that without buying the whole season 5 set.

you mean that commercial for Toyota? haha...

[scowl]

you mean that commercial for Toyota? haha...
Yes, the commercial for Toyota that started off with the Chinese torturing Jack Bauer. Why does torture in commericals make people want to buy cars? It's really getting out of control!

[nikeykid]

Yes, the commercial for Toyota that started off with the Chinese torturing Jack Bauer. Why does torture in commericals make people want to buy cars? It's really getting out of control!

you got it all wrong. the pitch was about escaping from torture, in your toyota rav-4. say you are stuck in corporate torture all day (ie me), it is great to have a vehicle that will take you far far away (back to home with my hdtv).

[lax01]

um why was that deleted?

[LL3HD]

um why was that deleted?Maybe because there was a spoiler tag in that post and there’s to be no spoilers of any kind in here? Just a thought. :rolleyes: :cool:

[rezzy]

Sure there are, but you need to own the land and a natural water source is always reflected in the price. Water is the most precious resource on the planet.Sounds like terrorists have H2O under tight lock and key out in Cali. We need Bauer to go blow up some of the dams....

[Stryker412]

I just checked my file sizes. The first night's 2hr premiere was 1.98GB, but last night's 2 hr show was only 1.09GB. Something odd is going on.

I just recorded Smallville last night and it was 4.5GB. What the heck is Fox doing to 24?

[Aliens]

An excellent no spoiler interview with Kiefer on The Charlie Rose Show (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6971209877512557928&q=owner%3ACharlie_Rose) from Friday the 12th. He discussed the leap-of-faith needed to watch the show at the beginning and end of the interview.

EDIT: The interview starts at the 4 minute mark.

[Stryker412]

An excellent no spoiler interview with Kiefer on The Charlie Rose Show (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kiefer+sutherland+on+charlie+rose+show&search=Search) from Friday the 12th. He discussed the leaf-of-faith needed to watch the show at the beginning and end of the interview.

leaf? You mean leap. The videos have all been removed.

[Aliens]

:)

[Aliens]

I fixed it. It will now take you directly to Charlie Rose. The interview starts at the 4 minute mark.

[jonnythan]

"We're steering away from the cougars.."

LOL

Around 13:15 Keifer is talking about something Jack did, explaining why Fayed wants him killed. He says "They want me. It's a debt. I had killed his brother. I tortured and killed his brother."

Not "They want Jack. Jack killed his brother."

That was a bit.. creepy.

[Stryker412]

I fixed it. It will now take you directly to Charlie Rose. The interview starts at the 4 minute mark.

Thanks!

[lax01]

Maybe because there was a spoiler tag in that post and there’s to be no spoilers of any kind in here? Just a thought. :rolleyes: :cool:


it wasn't a season 6 spoiler...I simply put it in tags for anyone who hadn't seen the prequel to Season 6....just seems like that was a stupid baleetion

[bobby94928]

This is a "no spoiler" thread. Any post with spoiler tags will get deleted, it's that simple.

[CPanther95]

If it isn't a spoiler, don't use tags. If it is tagged as a spoiler, I don't read them. I also don't edit spoilers out because the edit screen reveals the spoiler. If there's a tag, the whole post is deleted.

[lax01]

but but

oh nevermind

[jonnythan]

but but

oh nevermind
He's the mod.

He saw spoiler tags.

You expect him to read the stuff in the spoiler tags to see if it's really a spoiler? I don't think he wants to read spoilers any more than the rest of us do.

[CPanther95]

This isn't the first time people got irritated because I assumed something in spoiler tags was a spoiler. Normally it's other posters saying it isn't a spoiler - but it's very humorous when the poster that put it in spoiler tags argues that it wasn't a spoiler. :)

[VisionOn]

you got it all wrong. the pitch was about escaping from torture, in your toyota rav-4. say you are stuck in corporate torture all day (ie me), it is great to have a vehicle that will take you far far away (back to home with my hdtv).

just make sure that if you are planning to escape in the middle of the night, pick a darker colored car and not the shiniest and most silver one you can find just because it looks good on camera.

[jabbathespud]

For me, Sunday was 10.5GB and Monday was 13.1GB. After separating into separate hours, editing out commercials, and limiting it to "The following happened ..." to final hour rollover, the four hours were 3.63GB, 3.55GB, 4.60GB, and 4.62GB respectively.

[jonnythan]

That works out to about 11-15Mbps I'd suppose.

[lax01]

This isn't the first time people got irritated because I assumed something in spoiler tags was a spoiler. Normally it's other posters saying it isn't a spoiler - but it's very humorous when the poster that put it in spoiler tags argues that it wasn't a spoiler. :)

But the purpose of the spoiler tag is to hide spoilers....if people were following the conversation in the thread, they would probably know what I was going to say...if they weren't, then they wouldn't highlight it and wouldn't know what I posted...why have the spoiler tag if its just going to get deleted? See my confusion?

[jonnythan]

But the purpose of the spoiler tag is to hide spoilers....if people were following the conversation in the thread, they would probably know what I was going to say...if they weren't, then they wouldn't highlight it and wouldn't know what I posted...why have the spoiler tag if its just going to get deleted? See my confusion?
The title of this thread says "NO SPOILERS."

Go to another thread if you want to discuss spoilers.

NO SPOILERS in this thread. Get over it.

[CPanther95]

There's only two threads I'm aware of that ban spoilers. This one and the Lost thread. The problem started in the Lost thread with the sheer volume of spoilers available and people's conversations of those spoilers all being tagged. You ended up with 2/3 of the posts whited out and invariably someone would respond to a spoiler without tags in such a way that it was obvious what the spoiler was. Both of these shows have a "Spoiler" thread available for discussion of any spoilers (no tags necessary since the whole thread is dedicated to spoilers).

Another reason not to use the tags here for non-spoilers is it contradicts the "No Spoilers" title in the thread and could confuse others. If there is any doubt about it, just post it in the other thread.

Normally, in the vast majority of threads, spoiler tags are fine to hide spoilers. It's only when they begin to overtake the thread that it becomes hard to follow the thread.

[Stryker412]

For me, Sunday was 10.5GB and Monday was 13.1GB. After separating into separate hours, editing out commercials, and limiting it to "The following happened ..." to final hour rollover, the four hours were 3.63GB, 3.55GB, 4.60GB, and 4.62GB respectively.

OK I don't know wtf happend but I just rechecked the file sizes. First night 9.97GB and second night 13GB. Maybe it was a windows issue the night I first checked.

[hdtval21]

Second night file size was also bigger than first night in L.A- 10.2->12.9. Maybe they upped the bitrate since Idol was starting, or maybe M-F gets a higher bitrate then Sat-Sun. I thought I noticed the first night didn't look as good as it did last year when they finally upped the bitrate more than previous seasons(I think it started last year).

And for those that keep thinking 24 stretches things a bit much, watch Keifer's interview with Charlie Rose(it's on google video when I saw it). Keifer(and the rest of the show) know that things can get a little out there, but it's TV! And there aren't any spoilers in the interview so it's safe to watch.

[Aliens]

Post 380

And for those that keep thinking 24 stretches things a bit much, watch Keifer's interview with Charlie Rose(it's on google video when I saw it). Keifer(and the rest of the show) know that things can get a little out there, but it's TV! And there aren't any spoilers in the interview so it's safe to watch.

Post 361
An excellent no spoiler interview with Kiefer on The Charlie Rose Show (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6971209877512557928&q=owner%3ACharlie_Rose) from Friday the 12th. He discussed the leap-of-faith needed to watch the show at the beginning and end of the interview.

EDIT: The interview starts at the 4 minute mark.

So much for product placement. :D

Do people take the time to read ANYTHING before they post? :p

[Plasmacat]

Post 44
Kiefer on Charlie Rose tonight.
Post 52
Here's the video of Kiefer on Charlie Rose. Includes clips from the new episodes:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6971209877512557928&q=charlie+rose

Post 380

Do people take the time to read ANYTHING before they post? :p

Obviously, they don't. ;)

[Aliens]

BUSTED!



Time for a diversionary tactic.


Oh, Mandy!
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b315/Deltoid/miakirshner_15.jpg

[rezzy]

*BAA-ZAAM!*

Man, you guys need to drop a warning or something before you spring out stuff like that! My kid almost saw that; don't want her to get the wrong idea and think I was being naughty...:eek:

[lax01]

lub her long time

shes hotter on the L Word though

[spwace]

Second night file size was also bigger than first night in L.A- 10.2->12.9. Maybe they upped the bitrate since Idol was starting, or maybe M-F gets a higher bitrate then Sat-Sun. I thought I noticed the first night didn't look as good as it did last year when they finally upped the bitrate more than previous seasons(I think it started last year).

And for those that keep thinking 24 stretches things a bit much, watch Keifer's interview with Charlie Rose(it's on google video when I saw it). Keifer(and the rest of the show) know that things can get a little out there, but it's TV! And there aren't any spoilers in the interview so it's safe to watch.

FOX uses variable bit rate encoding. Each episode will use a different total bit rate depending on the complexity of the scenes and the amount of motion involved. The peak bit rate will max out at around 15 Mbps.

[bphisig]

2 more hours!!!

[Mike4HDTV]

Huge shocker...


Jack has a brother and it's Bluetooth guy.

[scanpa]

Huge shocker...


Jack has a brother and it's Bluetooth guy.


That was a good one! Bluetooth ring leader is Jacks Brother and it looks like Jack's Father is involved also. WOW!

[David F]

Bluetooth's son looks a lot like Kim Bauer....

[srw1000]

Using the prong of an antenna to pry open a door? Oh, boy. Hollow aluminum vs. steel door. Couldn't they have at least planted part of the antenna mount near the crash scene?

Scott

[scanpa]

Let the family torture begin.

Jack: 1
Graham: 0

[Mike4HDTV]

Another good episode tonight. Let the torture of Bluetooth begin.

Next week we get to meet Jack's father.

[lexluthor]

I wonder if they knew last year that the Bluetooth guy was going to be Jack's brother this year. Bet not.

Did anyone notice at the beginning of the show in the recap, they changed what Clhoe told Jack about what happened with Curtis' unit? There was some question here as to who killed Curtis' unit, they changed what Clhoe said to make it absolutely clear that the Liutenant personally killed the men and not the terrorist guy.

[jonnythan]

Using the prong of an antenna to pry open a door? Oh, boy. Hollow aluminum vs. steel door. Couldn't they have at least planted part of the antenna mount near the crash scene?

Scott
They make news helicopters out of steel these days?

[jonnythan]

I wonder if they knew last year that the Bluetooth guy was going to be Jack's brother this year. Bet not.

Did anyone notice at the beginning of the show in the recap, they changed what Clhoe told Jack about what happened with Curtis' unit? There was some question here as to who killed Curtis' unit, they changed what Clhoe said to make it absolutely clear that the Liutenant personally killed the men and not the terrorist guy.
I agree on both points.

[CPanther95]

All the nicest homes have antennas - just for such an occasion. :)

[kucharsk]

Did anyone notice at the beginning of the show in the recap, they changed what Clhoe told Jack about what happened with Curtis' unit? There was some question here as to who killed Curtis' unit, they changed what Clhoe said to make it absolutely clear that the Liutenant personally killed the men and not the terrorist guy.If you watch episodes back to back, either via VCR/DVR or via the DVD sets, you'll find that what is actually said in an episode quite often doesn't match what is said in the recap. In many cases either the recap must be filmed separately, or they use alternate takes.

[bphisig]

Crazy, crazy twist tonight. I'm stunned. I love this show!

[ricwhite]

Man, that Graham character is sure a little weasle wimp. Brothers with totally opposite dispositions. I wonder when they were kids if Jack beat up his brother all the time. I can see him shoving Graham's head in the toilet.

By the way, did Jack have a pig as a pet growing up?

[lax01]

Jumped the shark tonight...totally...Is there any mention in Season 5 of Blue-Tooth guy even knowing Jack? It just seems so totally out there...its like, "HEY LETS PULL THIS OUT OF OUR A$$" and also, how can Nathan Petrelli's wife be on Heroes and 24 (as a Mrs. Bauer) at the SAME EXACT TIME.....

ugh...I dunno...ALSO why'd they have to show Jack's dad in the preview? Why'd they show his face? What a total spoiler...Great actor playing Mr. Bauer and we had to know who it was before hand? WTF?

[Nachosgrande]

They should have had Donald Sutherland play his father!

And having Petrelli's wife as Jack's sister in law (who he apparently got it on with) is FOX revenge against Heroes on NBC...they will have her doing things on 24 that will make you squirm...and make you think of JB during episodes of Heroes!

[RDK006]

Jumped the shark tonight...totally...
Well here's to the show jumping the shark every single week then! Awsome, unexpected twist!

[Aliens]

...why'd they have to show Jack's dad in the preview? Why'd they show his face? What a total spoiler...Great actor playing Mr. Bauer and we had to know who it was before hand? WTF?
Do what I do...don't watch the previews.

[Argee]

I think that Jack's nephew might really be his son. Did you notice the way he looked at him?

[Iteki]

Bluetooth's son looks a lot like Kim Bauer....

Yeah, the meeting between Jack and his brother's family was awkward. Something tels me the kid is Jack's love child with his sister in law.

EDIT: Agree beat me to it ;-)

[Iteki]

Using the prong of an antenna to pry open a door? Oh, boy. Hollow aluminum vs. steel door. Couldn't they have at least planted part of the antenna mount near the crash scene?

Scott

LOL yeah I was laughing at that too, but hey it's 24! I was more concerned with the antenna: NOT THE HD antenna!!

[UMDMatt]

Anybody watch day 5 recently? I'm curious if there was any track laid at all to support Bluetooth guy even knowing of Jack, much less sharing DNA and apparently a woman with him.

On second thought, last season the Bluetooth group was made out to be the guys behind the guys, but we never really knew their motivations or reasoning, right?

[jluzbet]

I think that Jack's nephew might really be his son. Did you notice the way he looked at him?


I agree on this... just by the look... and damn why did we had to see Jack's father FACE!!!!! :mad:

[Nachosgrande]

All the nicest homes have antennas - just for such an occasion. :)

For OTA HD of course!! :D

[lax01]

Do what I do...don't watch the previews.

I try...but I'm weak :)

I still dunno...they better make the connection between Jack and Graham a lot stronger...seems like total BS to me

[scowl]

Using the prong of an antenna to pry open a door?
That was great. Those aluminum antennas bend in a strong wind. He might as well have been prying it open with a chewing gum wrapper.

[nikeykid]

I try...but I'm weak :)

I still dunno...they better make the connection between Jack and Graham a lot stronger...seems like total BS to me

errrr has anyone brought up the fact that they look nothing alike? jack is tall and has hair, and graham is a short bald dweeb.

[scowl]

Jumped the shark tonight...totally...Is there any mention in Season 5 of Blue-Tooth guy even knowing Jack?
Was there any mention in the first Star Wars movie who Luke's real father or sister is?

[fredfa]

(From Marc Berman’s Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2007, Programming Insider blog at Mediaweek.com )
http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/55410592
Fast National Ratings For Monday January 22nd
….Since we are all wondering how the battle of NBC’s Heroes vs. Fox’s 24 played out, let’s begin with the 9 p.m. hour. The first original episode of NBC’s Heroes in six weeks took the 9 p.m. hour, with 14.84 million viewers and a 6.5 rating/15 share among adults 18-49. Fox’s 24 was competitive with 14.44 million viewers (#3) and a second-place 5.4/12 among adults 18-49. Comparatively, the year-ago telecast of 24 (on Monday, Jan. 23, 2006, and without Heroes in the mix) scored an almost identical 14.22 million viewers with a 5.8/13 in the demo, based on the final nationals.

Monday 9-10 p.m.
Heroes (NBC)
Viewers: 14.84 million (#1)
A18-49: 6.5/15 (#1)

Two and a Half Men and Old Christine (CBS)
Viewers: 14.54 million (#2)
A18-49: 4.5/10 (#3)

24 (Fox)
Viewers: 14.44 million (#3)
A18-49: 5.4/12 (#2)…

[LL3HD]

I think that Jack's nephew might really be his son. Did you notice the way he looked at him?Absolutely!

I was watching with someone who never saw one episode and the first thing they said was, “That’s Jack’s son right?” It’s so obvious.

Another giveaway was, while during the interrogation, Jack’s brother made a reference to his family in his house (forgot the exact exchange) and Jack gave him a quick look like he was saying, “They’re not your family punk!”

[scowl]

I'm surprised they didn't use 310-597-3781, also known as the 24 Fan Phone Number (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_(TV_series)#Fan_Phone) as Jack's brother's cell phone number last night.

[John Chu]

Jumped the shark tonight...totally...Is there any mention in Season 5 of Blue-Tooth guy even knowing Jack? It just seems so totally out there...its like, "HEY LETS PULL THIS OUT OF OUR A$$" and also, how can Nathan Petrelli's wife be on Heroes and 24 (as a Mrs. Bauer) at the SAME EXACT TIME.....

ugh...I dunno...ALSO why'd they have to show Jack's dad in the preview? Why'd they show his face? What a total spoiler...Great actor playing Mr. Bauer and we had to know who it was before hand? WTF?


I have to agree with you. This is a seriously screwed up direction for "24" to go.
The hero is supposed to be pretty much "pure". And that includes the family.

It is hard for me to root for a hero when his family[bluetooth guy] is the one that is causing the havoc last season.

It taints Jack...

But at least he is not giving Gray any special treatment.

I just hope this show isn't heading into some "I am your father." "Leia is your sister" direction...

[LL3HD]

why'd they have to show Jack's dad in the preview? Why'd they show his face? What a total spoiler... ?I can’t understand why anyone would want to see the previews.
And I don’t buy into the poppycock that just because it’s aired it’s exempt from being a spoiler. :rolleyes:

Previews, coming attractions, movie trailers etc.-- they’re all spoilers!

The only purpose they serve is to snag a new viewer. They’re not for a viewer that is already interested in the “show”. Why in the world do you need a "cliff notes" view of something you plan on watching?

I always do my best to avoid any previews or information on future viewings, for a more enjoyable experience.

[scowl]

I have to agree with you. This is a seriously screwed up direction for "24" to go.
The hero is supposed to be pretty much "pure". And that includes the family.
Perhaps you're thinking of a "superhero". Human heros are supposed to have human flaws.

It is hard for me to root for a hero when his family[bluetooth guy] is the one that is causing the havoc last season.

It taints Jack...
I'm pretty sure that's why he hasn't talked to his brother in six years and his father for, what, nine years? They're evil!

[Iteki]

I have to agree with you. This is a seriously screwed up direction for "24" to go.
The hero is supposed to be pretty much "pure". And that includes the family.

It is hard for me to root for a hero when his family[bluetooth guy] is the one that is causing the havoc last season.

It taints Jack...

But at least he is not giving Gray any special treatment.

I just hope this show isn't heading into some "I am your father." "Leia is your sister" direction...

Jack lost his 'pure' cherry LONG ago. Regardless, Jack vs. his family looks to make for a compelling story, albeit a bit late to the party (no mention of them previously?). No wars/fights are as ugly as that between family.

[Brainodo]

Did anyone notice at the beginning of the show in the recap, they changed what Clhoe told Jack about what happened with Curtis' unit? There was some question here as to who killed Curtis' unit, they changed what Clhoe said to make it absolutely clear that the Liutenant personally killed the men and not the terrorist guy.

I'm unsure what the fuss is about regarding this. Either way, Assad is a terrorist "responsible for the deaths of hundreds (thousands?) of people". Maybe I'm being overly dispassionate, but had Assad been the one who personally killed Curtis' men, it doesn't mean Jack made the 'wrong' decision. Unless we find out Assad isn't now commited to peace, of course.

[ion-man]

I'm pretty sure that's why he hasn't talked to his brother in six years and his father for, what, nine years? They're evil!

I'm with you on that. There has to be a logical reason why he doesn't have anything to do with them, and I doubt its because of his brother's wife, got to be deeper than that to cause such a huge rift. I like this direction for the show, shows a different side of Jack's character, lets see how it plays out. I've always joked that Jack would shoot his mother if he felt "there was no other way", man I was hoping I'd never see anything like that happen but looks like it may almost come through! :D Nobody is safe when it comes to Jack, all bets are off, lets see if it applies to family.

[Iteki]

Why did Fayed take them with him? Since the tech still needed to reprogram them, wouldn't it have made sense that he leave them there?

One small bit of illogic in a very illogical show, but maybe someone has an explanation that makes sense.

[lax01]

I don't think it has anything to do with how PURE Jack is...he obviously isn't pure...he's killed people, he's shot old innocent woman (best scene ever in 24)...he's done bad things in his life

MY biggest complaint is that there is a disconnect between Graham in Season 5 and Season 6...It definitely was not planned that Graham would be Jack's brother in Season 6 and that BUGS ME...UNLESS they make the connection stronger, I'm still find the storyline stupid and totally unrealistic (unrealistic even for 24)

[jonnythan]

Why did Fayed take them with him? Since the tech still needed to reprogram them, wouldn't it have made sense that he leave them there?

One small bit of illogic in a very illogical show, but maybe someone has an explanation that makes sense.
That wouldn't have made sense at all. Fayed has lots of other **** to do today, he doesn't need to hang around in a warehouse for 20 minutes while his technician works on a bomb. The technician will work on the bomb and Fayed will do all the other **** a busy terrorist needs to do. The technician, and all the henchmen that were at the warehouse, will meet up with Fayed later when it's time to rig another bomb.

[sleeks]

Why did Fayed take them with him? Since the tech still needed to reprogram them, wouldn't it have made sense that he leave them there?

One small bit of illogic in a very illogical show, but maybe someone has an explanation that makes sense.

You really can't think when watching this show because all those questions will come up.

However, to answer your question. Perhaps Fayed had to meet someone, plan the next attack, or did not want to be near an armed nuke. Since he had to meet someone, plan the next attack/not be near an armed nuke, he might not have felt comfortable leaving four other nuclear weapons with a guy he just sprung out of jail.

Someone steals those nukes from him and he is done..........

[Iteki]

That wouldn't have made sense at all. Fayed has lots of other **** to do today, he doesn't need to hang around in a warehouse for 20 minutes while his technician works on a bomb. The technician will work on the bomb and Fayed will do all the other **** a busy terrorist needs to do. The technician, and all the henchmen that were at the warehouse, will meet up with Fayed later when it's time to rig another bomb.

I never stated that Fayed should have stayed at the warehouse, just that the nukes should have. Noone but him could reprogram them.

[jonnythan]

Oh sorry, I misread. Sleeks covered it.. what terrorist mastermind would leave 4 nuclear weapons behind with a bunch of minimum-pay hacks and a recently-sprung technician? The last thing he needs is some egotistic dude with 4 nuclear weapons demanding more money or something.

If he had done that, all 5 nukes would be gone anyway. If they weren't destroyed, CTU would have picked them up.

[Iteki]

Oh sorry, I misread. Sleeks covered it.. what terrorist mastermind would leave 4 nuclear weapons behind with a bunch of minimum-pay hacks and a recently-sprung technician? The last thing he needs is some egotistic dude with 4 nuclear weapons demanding more money or something.

If he had done that, all 5 nukes would be gone anyway. If they weren't destroyed, CTU would have picked them up.

I understand what the ramifications of him leaving there WOULD have been, I was just questioning why he took them with him. If he doesn't trust his men by NOW, he's screwed anyway. (he had no problem leaving one)

Since he went to all that trouble (weeks of bombings) just to spring the tech who could reprogram them, to me it makes no sense to not have him reprogram them all. They are just expensive paperweights without being able to be triggered.

Just a plothole and a minor one. I was just curious.

[jonnythan]

If I went through that much trouble to obtain something like five nuclear weapons I wouldn't leave them all anywhere, much less all in the hands of a single guy who can detonate them. You think Fayed trusts this guy that much??

[Iteki]

If I went through that much trouble to obtain something like five nuclear weapons I wouldn't leave them all anywhere, much less all in the hands of a single guy who can detonate them. You think Fayed trusts this guy that much??

But leaving ONE makes perfect sense? :-)

It was just a question, and there's no real answer besides 'that's the way they wrote it). I'm ok with that, just curious if anyone had a better explanation.

[danc8379]

I can’t understand why anyone would want to see the previews.
And I don’t buy into the poppycock that just because it’s aired it’s exempt from being a spoiler. :rolleyes:

Previews, coming attractions, movie trailers etc.-- they’re all spoilers!

The only purpose they serve is to snag a new viewer. They’re not for a viewer that is already interested in the “show”. Why in the world do you need a "cliff notes" view of something you plan on watching?

I always do my best to avoid any previews or information on future viewings, for a more enjoyable experience.

I disagree....I watch every week and I love the previews. I guess I don't understand the big harm in knowing that James Cromwell is playing Jack's dad. We knew his dad was going to be on the show, so that wasn't given away. Does it really matter if we know a week early who the actor is? Half the time the previews are done in a way that is kind of deceiving anyway....make you think one thing is happening, but it's really something else when you watch the episode.

[jonnythan]

But leaving ONE makes perfect sense? :-)

It was just a question, and there's no real answer besides 'that's the way they wrote it). I'm ok with that, just curious if anyone had a better explanation.
Yes, it does.

I would have done the same thing.

I don't want to be anywhere near a nuke that is getting prepared for detonation by some dude who just got broken out of prison.

Maybe once it's all set and closed up I'll come back and grab/plant it, but...

[sleeks]

But leaving ONE makes perfect sense? :-)

It was just a question, and there's no real answer besides 'that's the way they wrote it). I'm ok with that, just curious if anyone had a better explanation.

I kind of agree that it is a plot hole, but consider this.

Lets say you completely trust your tech not to run off with the bombs. Lets also say that since you are the mastermind behind this, you don't want to get blown to bits by a crossed wire. After all, the device they used to trigger the bomb was made by some guy that you don't know all that well (I'm guessing).

So, you take four of them with you (to keep them out of the hands of your minimum wage soldiers) (and conveiniently CTU) while the bomb is being setup to work. Once you are sure it is safe, you go back and pick up the ready and drop off one of the other four. You could rotate like this for a couple hours until all five are in your possesion and you only have one outside of your possesion at any one time.

[sleeks]

Yes, it does.

I would have done the same thing.

I don't want to be anywhere near a nuke that is getting prepared for detonation by some dude who just got broken out of prison.

Maybe once it's all set and closed up I'll come back and grab/plant it, but...

Plus he is using a device to arm it that was just delivered by some non-terrorist dude you have never seen before. Maybe he pulled a couple of wires and re-wired the unit on his way over so it won't work or may blow the bomb up.

[Aliens]

The hero is supposed to be pretty much "pure". And that includes the family.

It is hard for me to root for a hero when his family[bluetooth guy] is the one that is causing the havoc last season.

It taints Jack...



Well, Jack has been dipping his stick where he shouldn’t have been for years, so on that note alone he is tainted. Although, who can blame him for checking the level on the Demi Moore look-alike. More and more hot chicks showing up on this show (the blonde jumping in the car), it’s starting to remind me of a soap opera. Not that there is anything wrong with that - chick wise. :)

I guess I don't understand the big harm in knowing that James Cromwell is playing Jack's dad.

DOH!!

[romanesq]

All the nicest homes have antennas - just for such an occasion. :)

Like most households, this one had a satellite dish and also an antenna.
Cuz you never know when you'll be on the roof and need hardware from them. :)

Great episode. Can't take it anymore. May need to tape a month and just watch it straight. The endings are killing me. I don't want the show to end. :confused:

[romanesq]

I think that Jack's nephew might really be his son. Did you notice the way he looked at him?

I can do without the soap opera drama storylines.

[LL3HD]

I disagree....I love the previews...
....Half the time the previews are done in a way that is kind of deceiving anyway....make you think one thing is happening, but it's really something else when you watch the episode.I prefer watching a show or a movie fresh. I don’t want any planted expectations interfering, whether they’re visual or regarding the story line (even worse, as you point out, deceptively). I think it’s demeaning to the audience and reveals an insecurity by the promoters.

These days when you watch a movie trailer or television preview you’re provided with a complete narrative- beginning, middle, end and even more. One of the greatest movie trailers (to reinforce my point) was for Kubrick’s The Shining. It was a static shot of the elevator doors and hundreds of gallons of “blood” gushing towards the camera. It was extremely frightening but didn’t reveal anything.
If you never saw it, here it is.. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=589190853152027984

[leebo]

By the way, did Jack have a pig as a pet growing up?

Yes! And from what I hear he had no trouble making it talk.

[RDK006]

But leaving ONE makes perfect sense? :-)

It was just a question, and there's no real answer besides 'that's the way they wrote it). I'm ok with that, just curious if anyone had a better explanation.
Well, the show is called "24," not "4." :D

[Iteki]

Well, the show is called "24," not "4." :D

lol

[Stewed]

I was really hoping that Jack's dad would actually be Donald Southerland, that would have ruled.

Instead it's the dweeb from Six Feet Under and Babe....? We'll see I guess. They're normally really good with casting.

[jonnythan]

Well, he was a harda** in The Green Mile, The General's Daughter, and LA Confidential recently ;)

[Clarence]

http://ia.ec.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/26/65/12m.jpg (http://imdb.com/name/nm0000342/)

http://imdb.com/name/nm0000342/

[Steve Schauer]

By the way, did Jack have a pig as a pet growing up?Yes! And from what I hear he had no trouble making it talk.
:D :D :D

[jpco]

Not only did I have a problem with the "coincidence" of Bluetooth guy being Jack's brother, I did not at all understand why Jack would immediately go over to his brother's house and begin the interrogation/torture of his brother.

Having been out of the country being tortured and having little understanding of what's going on, I don't see any evidence that would lead Jack to such a place.

[jonnythan]

I think Jack can just tell when his brother is totally full of ****.

[ricwhite]

Anybody else feel like slapping Sandra Palmer every time she opens her mouth?

[BigJeff]

Anybody else feel like slapping Sandra Palmer every time she opens her mouth?
Me. One of the most annoying 24 characters ever.

[lax01]

Me. One of the most annoying 24 characters ever.

she takes after her Mother very well....

"I'm going in there to save him from those terrorists even though he told me he wants to do this to protect the country...."

What an idiot...

[Stewed]

Not only did I have a problem with the "coincidence" of Bluetooth guy being Jack's brother, I did not at all understand why Jack would immediately go over to his brother's house and begin the interrogation/torture of his brother.

Having been out of the country being tortured and having little understanding of what's going on, I don't see any evidence that would lead Jack to such a place.

there's 35+ years of past history he can base his hunches on, which I'm sure we'll hear about.

I'm wondering if Pres. Logan will pop up at any point

[kucharsk]

she takes after her Mother very well....Who would that be?

She's not David's daughter, she's David (and Wayne's) sister.

Or, yet another family member that hasn't even been referenced the past six years. :D

(As far as soap opera-ness, how about the idea that the reason the kid looks so much like Kim is that Kim is really Jack and Graham's wife's, and he and Teri raised her as theirs… I sincerely hope that doesn't turn out to be a spoiler. :eek: )

[lax01]

Who would that be?

She's not David's daughter, she's David (and Wayne's) sister.

Or, yet another family member that hasn't even been referenced the past six years. :D

(As far as soap opera-ness, how about the idea that the reason the kid looks so much like Kim is that Kim is really Jack and Graham's wife's, and he and Teri raised her as theirs… I sincerely hope that doesn't turn out to be a spoiler. :eek: )

I'm sure since there is talk that Joshua is actually Jack's son, its not a hard stretch to find that Wayne's sister is actually Sherry's daugther....come on, its 24! :D

[steverobertson]

Me. One of the most annoying 24 characters ever.


I agree but I guess that means she is doing a good job with her role.

[Iteki]

You haven't been involved in many family feuds, have you?

Read my post again, I think you may have misread it?

[jonnythan]

I'm sure since there is talk that Joshua is actually Jack's son, its not a hard stretch to find that Wayne's sister is actually Sherry's daugther....come on, its 24! :D
Just wait til the first alien shows up.

[Brainodo]

I disagree....I watch every week and I love the previews. I guess I don't understand the big harm in knowing that James Cromwell is playing Jack's dad. We knew his dad was going to be on the show, so that wasn't given away. Does it really matter if we know a week early who the actor is? Half the time the previews are done in a way that is kind of deceiving anyway....make you think one thing is happening, but it's really something else when you watch the episode.

I refuse to watch the previews after they gave away a MAJOR spoiler in Season 2. Kim and Kickboxing Jared Leto escape in Gary's car. The preview showed the cop pulling them over and looking in the trunk and then freaking out and arresting them. Didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what was in there.
I even fast-forward through the 'previously' bits as they frequently show a character who is missing/presumed dead/not been in the show for awhile and this is a huge signpost that they'll return in this episode.
The one thing I love about this show is the 'OHMYGOD' moments (nukes going off, Jack shooting Curtis) and the previews and re-caps dilute it too much for me. YMMV.

[CPanther95]

Yep. Previews gave away the nuke going off as well.

[WirelessGuru]

Hey.... on the HD side of discussion...

Has anyone noticed 24 in HD looking much better this season then in past seasons? The PQ seems like it has improved. I have not made any changes to my settings or changed equipment. The detail in Feyhed's face when he was driving in the car rivaled the detail seen in Tom Cruise's face at the beginning of MI-3 on HD-DVD.

It may just be me, but it appears that Fox may have stepped up the production a bit. Maybe in expectation of releasing season 6 on Blu-Ray after the season's end? Anyone else notice an improvement?

[ion-man]

I agree, the PQ is stunning on my end, though severly lacking in audio. I don't know if its my area or just me but I have to crank the volume up when watching this and other fox shows, as opposed to say CBS where I have to turn it down. I guess its a network isue then.

[archiguy]

Seems about the same to me. Remember that close-ups are always going to look stellar, even back when they were doing 480p "enhanced resolution" or whatever they called it. And, no matter how you cut it, FOX still does 720p, not 1080i, so it's never going to look quite as crisp & sharp as CBS or NBC's shows (depending on your display).

[Aliens]

I agree it looks much better this year. Having said that, I’ll wait until the season is over to judge it on the whole. We’ve had little night filming, so the final 9 hours or so when they are outside will go a long way to seeing how good things really are. The night filming last year was heavy on the grain and looked terrible, but even the inside shots during those last hours wasn’t up to par.

[jcinzano]

Has anybody else had audio drop outs watching 24 on Dish?

It's the only show I've had this problem on.

[TedEstes]

This is the first season I've watched in HD, so I can't compare. (Only had the HDTV for a few weeks. Made sure I got my TiVo S3 before the new season started.)

However, the fleshtones in this show are driving me nuts. Some people look greenish, others look magenta. I don't have this problem with other shows or even the commercials shown during "24". Is the lighting on this show that messed up?

--Ted

[kucharsk]

Read my post again, I think you may have misread it?Yep, my bad.

Anyone that watched Dallas knows how bad family fights can be. :D

[kucharsk]

Has anybody else had audio drop outs watching 24 on Dish?

It's the only show I've had this problem on.Was it just this last episode?

The first four hours were perfect OTA here in Denver, but this week's episode had a few audio glitches.

[Iteki]

Yep, my bad.

Anyone that watched Dallas knows how bad family fights can be. :D

It happens...half the crud I say doesn't make sense, so ya had a 50-50 shot :-)

[NorthJersey]

I was really hoping that Jack's dad would actually be Donald Southerland, that would have ruled.

Instead it's the dweeb from Six Feet Under and Babe....? We'll see I guess. They're normally really good with casting.

didn't he also invent the hyperdrive in Star Trek ?

[WilliamR]

didn't he also invent the hyperdrive in Star Trek ?

He flew the first warp drive ship that got the attention of the Vulcans. He is considered the father of warp drive, but many worked on it, but it was his idea.

[NorthJersey]

I love 24 and have watched every episode that's shown, but I gotta say that the show is quickly becoming a soap opera, and the writers have jumped the shark. C'mon, does bluetooth REALLY have to be Jack's brother ? Why couldn't he just be part of the Illumanati, the secret group that runs the world ? Besides, Bluetooth guy was in part of the plan (as well as the father) to have a nuke blowup in L.A. Why would he and his family remain in the state, no less the city, in the timeframe that the nuke was to go off? If I knew that, me and my family would be at Disneyland in Orlando, on the other side of the country, or even on another continent.

Why would Hassad, a known terrorist, be transported to D.C., the nations capitol, even if he does have a written agreement with the president to help out ? Move him to the Midwest, or wherever, but not too close to where the President is.

If you had 5 nuclear bombs, why would you set them off all in one "area", ie California ? Spread them around the country. With all the contacts Fayed has, does he not know anyone outside the L.A. area ? Have all the muslim terrorists all moved to California, not anyone of the other 49 states ?

[LL3HD]

didn't he also invent the hyperdrive in Star Trek ?
:D Too funny.
Regardless of how many memorable roles he’s played, I always see him as Stretch Cunningham from All in the Family. No matter who he’s supposed to be, I see Archie's good old buddy, Stretch. :D
It’s an affliction I just can’t shake. :p :D

[sleeks]

I love 24 and have watched every episode that's shown, but I gotta say that the show is quickly becoming a soap opera, and the writers have jumped the shark. C'mon, does bluetooth REALLY have to be Jack's brother ? Why couldn't he just be part of the Illumanati, the secret group that runs the world ? Besides, Bluetooth guy was in part of the plan (as well as the father) to have a nuke blowup in L.A. Why would he and his family remain in the state, no less the city, in the timeframe that the nuke was to go off? If I knew that, me and my family would be at Disneyland in Orlando, on the other side of the country, or even on another continent.

Why would Hassad, a known terrorist, be transported to D.C., the nations capitol, even if he does have a written agreement with the president to help out ? Move him to the Midwest, or wherever, but not too close to where the President is.

If you had 5 nuclear bombs, why would you set them off all in one "area", ie California ? Spread them around the country. With all the contacts Fayed has, does he not know anyone outside the L.A. area ? Have all the muslim terrorists all moved to California, not anyone of the other 49 states ?

The nuke was not supposed to be detonated in LA. Remember the phone call to the guy who sourced the electronic trigger device. "What are you doing setting off one of the bombs in MY city?" It obviously was never part of the plan to have them go off in LA. I'm sure the plan is to spread them out. We don't yet know the plan, so we will see.

[CPanther95]

I think that particular nuke was planned for downtown LA. The supplier was just expecting to receive a warning prior to detonation if LA was a target.

[hondo21]

:D Too funny.
Regardless of how many memorable roles he’s played, I always see him as Stretch Cunningham from All in the Family. No matter who he’s supposed to be, I see Archie's good old buddy, Stretch. :D
It’s an affliction I just can’t shake. :p :DSame here. Every time I see him, in whatever role, I say to myself or whoever is there "Hey, it's Stretch Cunningham."

[WilliamR]

I think that particular nuke was planned for downtown LA. The supplier was just expecting to receive a warning prior to detonation if LA was a target.

That is correct because he wanted a warning, plus they were planning on leaving for vegas, so he knew and was preparing to leave.

[Iteki]

That is correct because he wanted a warning, plus they were planning on leaving for vegas, so he knew and was preparing to leave.

Yeah, cuz if you can't count on a terrorist to keep his word, who can you trust? :-)

[sleeks]

I think that particular nuke was planned for downtown LA. The supplier was just expecting to receive a warning prior to detonation if LA was a target.

Yes, now that you say that, I remember that. You are correct.

[schroedk]

Me. One of the most annoying 24 characters ever.

The actress who plays Sandra Palmer is pretty much annoying in anything she's in. I cringe when I'm watching a movie without knowing who the actors are, and she shows up. It detracts from the whole show for me.

[LL3HD]

... I say to myself or whoever is there "Hey, it's Stretch Cunningham." :D So then you must get the same Whatda...Who?! looks that I get.

[Brainodo]

Why would Hassad, a known terrorist, be transported to D.C., the nations capitol, even if he does have a written agreement with the president to help out ? Move him to the Midwest, or wherever, but not too close to where the President is.

I think they're playing up the 'political expedience' angle. Although it's a bit of a stretch to imagine it happening in such a dire situation and with so little info from him, it's not beyond the realms of possibility.

[LL3HD]

I think they're playing up the 'political expedience' angle. Although it's a bit of a stretch to imagine it happening in such a dire situation and with so little info from him, it's not beyond the realms of possibility.... And they already have a “D.C.” set. They don’t have a “Midwest” set.

[NetworkTV]

... And they already have a “D.C.” set. They don’t have a “Midwest” set.

Darn you, Warner Brothers, for tearing down Laramie Street!

http://employees.oxy.edu/jerry/wb.htm

On the other hand, does Jericho still need their sets?

[archiguy]

On the other hand, does Jericho still need their sets?

Why wouldn't they? They're still filming.

[keenan]

Darn you, Warner Brothers, for tearing down Laramie Street!

http://employees.oxy.edu/jerry/wb.htm

On the other hand, does Jericho still need their sets?
Cool site. I grew up in LA and have been to some of the lots and in fact lived on a deadend street that ended with a back entrance to MGM in Culver City and also about 10 blocks south of the studios on Gower.

[NetworkTV]

Why wouldn't they? They're still filming.
One has to wonder for how much longer, though...

Cool site. I grew up in LA and have been to some of the lots and in fact lived on a deadend street that ended with a back entrance to MGM in Culver City and also about 10 blocks south of the studios on Gower.
I visited WB when Laramie Street was still there (I have some pictures of it, as well, along with the ER ambulance bay and a winterized town square that used to host "The Dukes of Hazzard").

They had just finished filming "Pergatory" and hadn't cleaned the area up yet. There was sugar glass, light stands, coils of cable and horse poop all over the place. It was a huge contrast to Universal where you only see the mechanized, cleaned-up version of the tour. It was kind of ironic that even t