bring back kim bauer!!!!

Actually, I'd welcome a return of Kim (along with Mandy, the hottest girl the show has ever had) if they could find a way to give her a serious role in the show that actually meant something. And if she'd wear something other than a formless business suit. Her brief stunt casting in last year's '24' was pointless.

thats not the point...they introduced Graham as the head of the Blue-Tooth Group but never once even hinted that he might be Jack's brother...thats what bothers me about it

When I talk to other people about my brother who know him I never say "my brother." The BTG was an established group before they were shown. They probably were all aware who Jack was to Gray, so there's no reason to say my brother.

Also, if they told us last season that Graham was Jack's brother then we wouldn't have been surprised about the reveal this season. ;) Why are some people so obsessed with wanting to ruin the show's surprise twists? :D

Also, if they told us last season that Graham was Jack's brother then we wouldn't have been surprised about the reveal this season. ;) Why are some people so obsessed with wanting to ruin the show's surprise twists? :D

There's 19 episodes left - who's to say they won't tie this all up in a bow in that time? Heck, in 3 weeks this might be a minor issue compared to some new revelation!

You've never been to LA, have you.

LA averages less than half an inch of rain per month for 6 months out of the year. The area averages only 14 inches of rain per *year*. New York City, by contrast, receives over 46 inches.

The coldest month is January with an average temperature of 66. The hottest is August with an average temperature of 82.

There's a reason everyone on earth lives there.I wonder if they saw that snow coming last week. :p A terrorist conspiracy, I tell ya.

I wonder if they saw that snow coming last week. :p A terrorist conspiracy, I tell ya.
Perhaps it's a nuclear winter.... ;)

More cougars!

HUGE 2nd!!!!!!!!!!!!

MORE COUGARS!

HUGE 2nd!!!!!!!!!!!!

MORE COUGARS!

Only if they're singing cougars. Or at least talking ones. I can see it now:

Jack: I need to interrogate this cougar. Chloe! Send peanut butter or some other chewy substance to my phone right away! Either that, or send a detox crew. I'm obviously on drugs again since I'm seeing singing cougars....!

I agree. It reeks of a stunt, not deliberate, thoughtful plotting, and just feels like a cheat, a plot twist simply for shock value. On the other hand, hey, who am I kidding? This is '24'; the ultimate "fly by the seat of your pants and let the chips fall where they may" show. The audience will forgive anything, apparently. :rolleyes:

Maybe Graham is just a half-brother, or adopted? They sure don't look alike...Oh please… does everything have to be prefaced with a big flashing plot point message?

In context of what was going on, why would any relationship between Graham and Jack have been revealed, especially if (as seems true) the two don't get along at all (not like trying to have your brother killed and then sending him off to rot in a Chinese prison is going to be positive for family relationships.)

The bigger question one should be asking is if this will turn out to mean that his father and brother were directly responsible for the deaths of David Palmer, Tony, Michelle, Edgar, and on and on from S5…

I thought the introduction of the Bluetooth-bad-guy as Jack’s brother was inspired. I also like that the producers cast the immensely talented James Cromwell as Jack’s father. There is a lot of fodder for the future there. I LOVE this show.

I missed this week's episode and was wondering if there is a web site that can give someone a synopsis of what happenned in the episode.

I missed this week's episode and was wondering if there is a web site that can give someone a synopsis of what happenned in the episode.

I use this....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_%28TV_series%29

(note: there might be spoilers..... so beware.)

Fox.com Episode Guide (http://www.fox.com/24/episodes/)

v/r,
C-F

I missed this week's episode and was wondering if there is a web site that can give someone a synopsis of what happened in the episode.

Yeah, just watch it on the Fox website or via iTunes, gets you all caught up until a repeat comes around in high def again...

I missed this week's episode and was wondering if there is a web site that can give someone a synopsis of what happenned in the episode.

Or, if you want a bit of sarcastic humor with your synopsis, try this: http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/articles/content/a12768/

Oh yes, before I forget, who leaves their high-end cellphone in their 20yr old car? He needed to break into an old car (so he could hotwire it) but then it's got a souped up cellphone sitting there waiting for him (capable of entering a GPS location and instantly pulling up a detailed map. LOL, what consumer level phone can do that anyway? I can look the other way when they do that stuff with their CTU PDA/Cellphone's, but not when their consumer grade).[/QUOTE]


Many consumer phones are now GPS capable.

check out: telenav

Or, if you want a bit of sarcastic humor with your synopsis, try this: http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/articles/content/a12768/

I like this one too:

http://www.tvgasm.com/shows/24/

I like this one too:

http://www.tvgasm.com/shows/24/

Ohh wow, that's a great site - thanks. I gotta do an RSS on 24 to find all these related things. Of course, all I need is to keep tuned in to our AVS pipeline. ;)

This season has started off to be one of the better seasons. It's gonna be a fun ride this season! =)

I always laugh when people first try to find the realism in "24"....(relax and enjoy), and secondly always around episodes 5-12, people start saying they hate where the show is going....its a plot with many twists, kind of like "Lost" you have to be in it for the long term, otherwise it won't make any sense.

This season has started off to be one of the better seasons. It's gonna be a fun ride this season! =)

Every season I start off a little slow and think the season will be "ok"...then I get hooked and love it.

This season started off with a BANG that I loved and am even more hooked.

:D :D :D

Can't wait for tonight's episode!

I thought the introduction of the Bluetooth-bad-guy as Jack’s brother was inspired. I also like that the producers cast the immensely talented James Cromwell as Jack’s father. There is a lot of fodder for the future there....I agree! I really don't see why this bugs anybody. I mean, IIRC, all last season people kept saying, "Who the heck is the bluetooth guy? Why don't they tell us anything about him?". I may have forgotten something, but it seems to me that they deliberately didn't tell us much of anything about him last season. Hmmm, wonder why that might have been ;). And Cromwell should be a great person to play Jack's dad IMO.


24 executive produce Howard Gordon has a great take on our concerns:


Quote:
Mr. Ross: If you had been a fan of the show for a while, wouldn't we have known that…maybe Jack had a brother?
Mr. Gordon: Well I think one of the great gifts of "24" is we only meet people for the course of this one day. We've known Jack for six years, but we only know six days of his life. And there are plenty of days that go by without me talking to my brother.


So no matter what we think we "should know" or "should have seen," because of the real-time nature of the show we've only seen a little over five days of his life.

How much would most people know about you if they'd only spent five days with you, each spaced several months to 2.5 years apart?On top of the fact that we've really only known Jack for a few days, he's also been just a little bit busy during the days we have known him too. I suspect he saves the idle chit chat about his black sheep brother for the down time between those days he's rushing about saving himself and the country from peril... :cool:


ron

Scene with Jack's father, the American flag is mounted incorrectly on the wall -
it's backwards!

WoW, Danm! More, More, More, We need more 24!

More torture next week, bring it on! :)

Wow Jack's brother is satan.

Wait till Jack finds out about his brothers connection to ex-President Logan and that his brother is responsible for the Chinese getting ahold of Jack.

Who else thinks Graem is going to suffer a very painful agonizing death?

I can't wait for next weeks episode. I've been wanting bluetooth dude to get it since last season. It was a stroke of brilliance for the writers to bring him in as Jack's brother :cool:

Jack's mother must be a dwarf. His dad has to be 6-6, Jack must be 5-6 and his weasel brother Graem must be 5-2.

Also, How long will it take Kaaren to get to LA?

I didn't really care for last night's episode. Is something wrong with me? We just didn't get much storyline progress. I haven't felt that wasy since Season 3 when Jack was in Mexico with the Salazars.

For the first time ever, I do not like any of the scenes at CTU. The only character I care about seeing there is Chloe, and she's almost an afterthought this season. And the scenes with Sondra Palmer are almost totally worthless, and they were basically revealed as so last night.

Next week looks awesome though.

I'm done watching previews for the next week. They give WAY too much away.

Just like this week's show, they showed who Jack's father is in the preview, which was one of the final scenes.

Based off of next week's preview, all the suspense is gone on Jack and Father's capture, we already know how it's going to turn out.

So what episode will we find out that the muslim chick in CTU (Audrey from Vegas Vacation) is the mole ? It was so obvious from last night's episode that she will eventually be shown as the mole.

Hopefully we won't have to see anymore of Sandra Palmer and her boyfriend (dude from Matrix trilogy)

Not much chatter so far here since last night's episode. I agree last night's episode didn't really present much, thought it was so-so. Can't wait for some good old Bauer torturing, looks like Jack's gonna have a Graem cracker in the next hour or so...

How long will it take Kaaren to get to LA?LOL :D Thought the same thing.

I'm done watching previews for the next week. They give WAY too much away.

Just like this week's show, they showed who Jack's father is in the preview, which was one of the final scenes.

Based off of next week's preview, all the suspense is gone on Jack and Father's capture, we already know how it's going to turn out.

Showing that Jack escapes isn't really giving anything away, is it? I think we're all pretty certain that Jack isn't going to get killed, right? Plus, they didn't give away the fate of his dad...

Kiefer is 5'8.5 and Cromwell is 6'5.

Kiefer's real father is 6'3.

Hope that settles that ;)

Hopefully we won't have to see anymore of Sandra Palmer and her boyfriend (dude from Matrix trilogy)




So THAT'S where I knew him from! He was such a jerk in the Matrix movies that I couldn't reconcile the two lol

Kiefer is 5'8.5 and Cromwell is 6'5.

Kiefer's real father is 6'3.

Hope that settles that ;)

Kiefer's mother is Shirley Douglas who is 5' 2 1/2"

He's pretty much in the middle of the two parents height wise.

Motion to treat information in the previews as spoilers?

I intentionally don't watch them because I don't want to know what's happening, but it's impossible to read the NO SPOILERS thread without seeing discussion of the previews, which, to me, are definite spoilers.

Kiefer's mother is Shirley Douglas who is 5' 2 1/2"

He's pretty much in the middle of the two parents height wise.

??????????? The original poster of this question said it as a joke. He was not talking about Keifer's mom and dad, but JACK's mom and dad. He said his father (on the show) had to be 6'6", Jack around 5'6 and his weasel brother Grahm around 5'2". I don't think Grahm is Keifer Sutherland's real brother. He was jokingly stating his mother (of the show) had to be a dwarf since the father was 6'6" and the shortest kid was around 5'2".

Motion to treat information in the previews as spoilers?

I intentionally don't watch them because I don't want to know what's happening, but it's impossible to read the NO SPOILERS thread without seeing discussion of the previews, which, to me, are definite spoilers.

We can't redefine what constitutes a spoiler. Best to avoid the thread if you consider the previews spoilers.

Understood. Thanks!

I sympathise. 24 gives away a lot in the previews (including the damn nuke) - Heroes is even worse.

Kiefer's mother is Shirley Douglas who is 5' 2 1/2"

He's pretty much in the middle of the two parents height wise.

IMDB lists Kiefer as 5'10 1/2" ...

IMDB lists Kiefer as 5'10 1/2" ...
There's apparently some debate about this.

I am shamed to say that I actually read a long thread on another forum where people were arguing about Kiefer's height. The apparent determination was that he was actually about 5'8-5'9.

There's apparently some debate about this.

I am shamed to say that I actually read a long thread on another forum where people were arguing about Kiefer's height. The apparent determination was that he was actually about 5'8-5'9.

Is there a height limit or restriction to work at CTU or something? Why are we talking about this?

??????????? The original poster of this question said it as a joke. He was not talking about Keifer's mom and dad, but JACK's mom and dad. He said his father (on the show) had to be 6'6", Jack around 5'6 and his weasel brother Grahm around 5'2". I don't think Grahm is Keifer Sutherland's real brother. He was jokingly stating his mother (of the show) had to be a dwarf since the father was 6'6" and the shortest kid was around 5'2".

There's nothing wrong with MY reading comprehension skills.

I was responding (more like adding) to a different post by jonnythan:

"Kiefer is 5'8.5 and Cromwell is 6'5.

Kiefer's real father is 6'3.

Hope that settles that "

Note he uses the name Kiefer, not Jack. I responded with Kiefer's parents stats as best I could find them. How is this causing you confusion (11 question marks worth) :-)

So what episode will we find out that the muslim chick in CTU (Audrey from Vegas Vacation) is the mole ? It was so obvious from last night's episode that she will eventually be shown as the mole.



I would find that hard to believe. For as much political innuendo as last night's ep contained (must hearten David Kelly fans!), I'd be hard pressed to believe the writers would place someone who was presented as a sympathetic figure in face of the profiling she was caught up in as a turncoat. Her role was "used" to exemplify the plight (as were the detainees) of people subject to the methods and ideology the President's adviser, Tom, has been fostering, which sent Karen packing.

Let's see, last night's ep. ended at noon PST so she should be in LA by 6 pm PST. Still lots of show time left to be helpful to hubby.

I would find that hard to believe. For as much political innuendo as last night's ep contained (must hearten David Kelly fans!), I'd be hard pressed to believe the writers would place someone who was presented as a sympathetic figure in face of the profiling she was caught up in as a turncoat. Her role was "used" to exemplify the plight (as were the detainees) of people subject to the methods and ideology the President's adviser, Tom, has been fostering, which sent Karen packing.

Let's see, last night's ep. ended at noon PST so she should be in LA by 6 pm PST. Still lots of show time left to be helpful to hubby.

THe president authorized military transport so depending on the platform used she could be in LA much quicker than that. Factor is 24's ability to compress time and space and she could be in LA within an ep or 2 :-)

Is there a height limit or restriction to work at CTU or something? Why are we talking about this?



It was brought up today that Cromwell who plays his father is VERY tall and Kiefer is...well....not. So it was thought to be strange to have that casting. But after looking up Kiefer's real life stats (mother/father/self) it isn't all that implausible. He had a very tall dad and a very short mom and split the difference.

My sister is barely 5'3" but married a guy who is 6'5" and is the shortest in his family. The kids have all come out tall (11 year old girl is already 5'7). So there's really no telling how the height gene will play out with kids.

There's apparently some debate about this.

I am shamed to say that I actually read a long thread on another forum where people were arguing about Kiefer's height. The apparent determination was that he was actually about 5'8-5'9.

I've read/heard about those too. The Sports Guy on espn.com even mentions it in several of his articles (he is a late to the party 24 fan).

Here's a pic of Kiefer and Venus Williams at the ESPYs....:

height difference (http://tvshows.aol.com/celebrity/kiefer-sutherland/69200/photos/actor-kiefer-sutherland-and-tennis-player-venus-williams-present-the-award-for/1676608)

She's 6'1 and is probably wearing heels, so put her at 6'4" or 6'5". She is still standing about a foot taller than him lol

But we digress, no matter his height he's making about $40 million over 3 years and is crying all the way to the bank :-)

We can't redefine what constitutes a spoiler.. :confused: Why?
Please enlighten me?
The previews are separate from the show. They are not part of the episode.
A preview is a spoiler by definition: an advertisement consisting of short scenes from a motion picture that will appear in the near future.

I've read/heard about those too. The Sports Guy on espn.com even mentions it in several of his articles (he is a late to the party 24 fan).

Here's a pic of Kiefer and Venus Williams at the ESPYs....:

height difference (http://tvshows.aol.com/celebrity/kiefer-sutherland/69200/photos/actor-kiefer-sutherland-and-tennis-player-venus-williams-present-the-award-for/1676608)

She's 6'1 and is probably wearing heels, so put her at 6'4" or 6'5". She is still standing about a foot taller than him lol

But we digress, no matter his height he's making about $40 million over 3 years and is crying all the way to the bank :-)

Your last sentence should end this discussion...I hope.

I sympathise. 24 gives away a lot in the previews (including the damn nuke)
Exactly- they are spoilers. I tune out when the episode is over. Why discus the previews here? Telling someone to not read this thread is not a sufficient explanation.

Because it has been established through a general consensus at AVS and even if we had the time and energy to enforce a new definition, it would take forever to try and change every members posting habits.

But the biggest issue is it would go against the majority opinion. There are at least a dozen minority opinions on how we should define a spoiler - so we went with the ol' "majority rules".

Exactly- they are spoilers. I tune out when the episode is over. Why discus the previews here? Telling someone to not read this thread is not a sufficient explanation.

If you need further explanation, send me a PM.

Exactly- they are spoilers. I tune out when the episode is over. Why discus the previews here? Telling someone to not read this thread is not a sufficient explanation.

I'd like to agree with your viewpoint but unless you are recording and FF through all commercials you will likely see the same adverts for upcoming shows that are in a preview at the end of a show. How to avoid all that, realistically? I've seen them on football games' commercial breaks. You just can't avoid everything. :(

You just can't avoid everything. :(

Very true. I once attended my best friend's mother's funeral in Nebraska which is a fair drive from where I live in Dallas, TX. It occured over the weekend of the AFC/NFC Championship games (I was driving back during the games). I went WAY out of my way to avoid any media that would mention the outcome.

EDIT: forgot to mention that I had DVRd the games

Late that Sunday night/Monday am we arrived in Dallas (they had followed me back on their way to Austin). They stopped at my place for a bite to eat and some rest and I showed off the HDTV. I showed them the start of the games and they oohed and aahed. Then my buddy asked me what regular Tv looked like, so I switched to a local station. It just happened to be a rebroadcast of the local news and showed this graphic:

Superbowl 39
Phildelphia Eagles Vs New England Patriots!

DOH!

In retrospect I should have switched to to a basic cable station like F/X, but oh well.

The biggest boneheaded spoiler was when ABC (?) tape delayed the US vs. USSR Hockey game at Lake Placid in 1980 and our local ABC affiliate (DC or Baltimore) aired a promo for their late news after the 2nd period saying:

"Tune in after the game for coverage of the exciting US win over the USSR in Olympic hockey" :mad:

We got a split second of euphoria, then remained extremely pissed for quite some time. Especially for a family not into hockey that just sat through the first two periods.

This is embarassing because I am a 24 fan. ............... Where is the CTU located?

Regarding the previews, the movie serials were a big thing at all of the theaters in the 30's, 40's and 50's on Saturdays. Republic and Columbia made the most popular serials, but Columbia serials would preview the next week's chapter at the end of the current week's chapter and this ruined anticipation for the resolution of the cliffhanger. TV has picked up this bad habit with the current crop of tv serials. I am going to make it a point from now on to tune out when this week's "chapter" ends.

The blame should go to the network's promotion department and the production company.

Television trailers are promotional devices to tempt the audience to be sure to tune-in for the next episode. They don't have to be spoilers. They don't have to give the store away.

"24," unfortunately, has heavy-handed people putting these promos together. There is a way to balance the inclusion of exciting clips without divulging too much.

The blame should go to the network's promotion department and the production company.

Television trailers are promotional devices to tempt the audience to be sure to tune-in for the next episode. They don't have to be spoilers. They don't have to give the store away.

"24," unfortunately, has heavy-handed people putting these promos together. There is a way to balance the inclusion of exciting clips without divulging too much.

I've seen shows that show previews for the NEXT episode DURING the current episode! Duh! At least let me enjoy what I'm watching, sheesh :-)

Ok back to the show...does anyone else think that Karen capitulated FAR too easily? That kind of information is going to come out in the aftermath anyway, why not fight it out?

Ok back to the show...does anyone else think that Karen capitulated FAR too easily? That kind of information is going to come out in the aftermath anyway, why not fight it out?

I get the feeling that she has some plan to get back at Tom and apparently feels she can do it best at CTU (and, of course, BB is there as well).

I thought it was amazing that she had a resignation letter completed in like two minutes after speaking with Tom! But, this is 24 after all. She'll probably be in LA in like two hours.....

The implication was that if she fought it, her husband would be ripped to shreds.. and if she quietly resigned, the information would be buried and ignored. I'm sure the White House Chief of Staff wouldn't have a problem with that.

One last post about height:
http://tvshows.aol.com/celebrity/kiefer-sutherland/69200/photos/actress-kyra-sedgewick-l-and-actor-kiefer-sutherland-present-onstage-at-the/1408181

Kyra is 5'5 and is wearing 4" heels, making her 5'9. Kiefer is wearing 1" heels and has an inch or two on her. Puts him right around 5'9.

I've seen shows that show previews for the NEXT episode DURING the current episode! Duh! At least let me enjoy what I'm watching, sheesh :-)

Ok back to the show...does anyone else think that Karen capitulated FAR too easily? That kind of information is going to come out in the aftermath anyway, why not fight it out?

I agree with that statement. They covered up what the last president did last season, so I'm sure President Palmer Brother Palmer would have let this go until AFTER the day was over. We all know, it ends in one day, so she should have stuck it out....just one day man...come on! :)

Ok back to the show...does anyone else think that Karen capitulated FAR too easily? That kind of information is going to come out in the aftermath anyway, why not fight it out?

My personal fear is that has happened not only to have another 'big bad' in Tom a la 'Nixon' last season, but also that she's going to die in one of 24s random cast culls. I sincerely hope I'm wrong. Especially after they went a bit overboard last season, IMHO.
OTOH, t may be something as simple as a scheduling conflict for the actress so she's been written out for a couple of episodes as Karen travels cross-country.

And where is Aaron? I want to see Agent Pierce of SHIELD take down some terrorists/traitors. The flamethrower kill from S5 is one of my fave 24 moments.

The implication was that if she fought it, her husband would be ripped to shreds.. and if she quietly resigned, the information would be buried and ignored. I'm sure the White House Chief of Staff wouldn't have a problem with that.




No way you can bury that type of information after a nuke has gone off in a US city. Everything about Fayed is going to get aired out, including that. (IMHO)

Random thoughts:

Looks like the skill level for the SWAT teams fell quite a bit since Curtis died. Those guys probably should have gotten out of the SUV and watched for bad guys a little more agressively.

Seems unlikely that the President's sister would be allowed to wade in to a riot at a terrorist detention center.

At CTU they expect you to let terrorists execute you for ransom demands if need be, but if you're threatened with being outed for a bad administrative decision you should just roll over and give up.

The spoiler content in 24's previews is about as bad as it gets.

......The only character I care about seeing there is Chloe, and she's almost an afterthought this season......

Did you happen to catch her (Mary Lynn) on the Leno show Monday night (1/29)?
In HD, properly made-up without the blonde hairdo, etc., she actually looks pretty nice. (She still has that infamous frown, though) She mentioned that she and the producers decided to "update" Chloe a bit for this season (combed hair, more stylish clothing, etc.), since her character has been through so much and has matured.

Does anyone here know where the CTU is located?

The CTU office in 24 is in LA.

Virtually everything that happens in 24 happens in LA.

The CTU office in 24 is in LA.

Virtually everything that happens in 24 happens in LA.

Also, the CTU office moves around so that it is never more than 10 minutes from wherever Jack is.

Also, the CTU office moves around so that it is never more than 10 minutes from wherever Jack is.
Everything in LA, including LA itself, does that ;)

Everything in LA, including LA itself, does that ;)

Now you know why the promo says, All hail the power of Baurer. :D

Seems unlikely that the President's sister would be allowed to wade in to a riot at a terrorist detention center.

You apparently have never met President Palmer's sister. They'd let her wade into an alligator farm, blindfolded and wrapped in bacon.

The biggest boneheaded spoiler was when ABC (?) tape delayed the US vs. USSR Hockey ... We got a split second of euphoria, then remained extremely pissed for quite some time. Especially for a family not into hockey that just sat through the first two periods.

Funny story, i actually pictured you guys suddenly uplifted by the news, then gradually, realizing the implications of this blunder, the smiles on your faces disappearing...

Does anyone here know where the CTU is located?
It's in L.A. The office itself is approximately twenty miles wide and fifty miles long. That's why it takes so little time to get to it from anywhere in L.A.

And where is Aaron? I want to see Agent Pierce of SHIELD take down some terrorists/traitors. The flamethrower kill from S5 is one of my fave 24 moments.

Aaron is now married to Martha -- President Logan's ex-wife. Because of the trauma Martha suffered at the hands of her husband, Aaron retired as a special agent in the secret service and has, instead, taken a lower-key job as a security consultant for fortune 500 company. They live in a suburb of Phoenix, Arizona and have been happily married for almost two years.

Yeah. . . that's pretty good speculation.


My question is . . . Where is Mike Novick? I always liked Mike Novick.

Kiefer William Frederick Dempsey George Rufus Sutherland

You HAVE to be kidding me. Is that REALLY Kiefer Sutherland's name? LOL


Link to Bio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiefer_Sutherland)

I don't think I have seen this answered or maybe I missed it. Does anyone know what year it is in the "24" world?

I think I saw someone mention 2011. Wikipedia says 2012.

I think I saw someone mention 2011. Wikipedia says 2012.
cool thanks

I think I saw someone mention 2011. Wikipedia says 2012.
Well yeah, sorta, if you add in the gaps between the six seasons it does take the show into the "future." But at the same time, I think the show is pretty much set in the present day - there's nothing "futuristic" about it.

Well yeah, sorta, if you add in the gaps between the six seasons it does take the show into the "future." But at the same time, I think the show is pretty much set in the present day - there's nothing "futuristic" about it.
He asked about the 24 universe. In the 24 universe it's around 2012. There's nothing futuristic about 5 years in the future.

I'm done criticizing this show...its too freaking easy...I'm just gonna watch it and enjoy it...I forget that 24 isn't about a believable storyline/plot...its about huge twists and turns

unfortunately, I really no longer care and its not leaving me on the edge of my seat like it used to...too bad, but oh well, thats 24!

2012, eh? They must be predicting the traffic problem is utterly resolved then (nobody's been stuck on the 405 once on the show). :D That would be funny if the only way to get somewhere in the 24 universe of the future is by bus (working on the idea of public transportation is the answer to traffic congestion). No more SUV's or hot-wired cars for Jack! We'll see Jack waiting on bench for the bus, Jack riding sedately on bus, Jack sitting on another bench for a different bus, and so on...[imagine that clock sound blipping away]

If 2011 or 2012 is the year, then there should be an election campaign happening (although it is not part of the story obviously). But didn't Wayne Palmer say he just became president 3 months ago? .... unless he's not an *elected* president, and he came from the same party as Charles Logan.

Maybe it's 2013 and he just got elected.

There's never been a calendar, a digital watch, or billboard within camera range for you to pinpoint the year easier. And they're still dealing with 2006 technology (cars, gadgets, TV graphics particularly Fox News).

And with a plastic bag over his head for 7 full minutes, Graem would surely be dead unless he's superman.

Actually the Fox News graphics aren't circa 2006. Apparently the future is bright because in 24 only about 20% of the screen is plastered with graphics on the Fox News Channel compared to about 45% today.

apparently no Bill O'Reilly or Greta Van Sustran either. Fox's gone back to all news and no opinions.

apparently no Bill O'Reilly or Greta Van Sustran either. Fox's gone back to all news and no opinions.So that means, in the future we’ll have at least one channel with actual news?

apparently no Bill O'Reilly or Greta Van Sustran either. Fox's gone back to all news and no opinions.Why do you say that? Every time we've seen it it's been (by definition) "breaking news," duriing which they wouldn't be running other programming. If a nuke goes off in LA, it's not like they're going to run Greta's show.

What I'm confused by is the way they continue to use both Fox News and "CN3" in various scenes.

Then again, I enjoyed the coverage of the attacks in the first hour; last time I was in LA, I don't remember there being posts with multiple plasmas tuned to a news station on street corners, even in Beverly Hills and Century City. :D

BTW, if 24 is taking place even a few years in the future, that nicely explains things like the cell phone earlier this year; it's no longer a brand new state-of-the-art cell phone left in an old car, it's a three or four year old cell phone in an old car, which is completely believable.

I think the good guys watch Fox News and everyone else watches CN3.

Why do you say that? Every time we've seen it it's been (by definition) "breaking news," duriing which they wouldn't be running other programming. If a nuke goes off in LA, it's not like they're going to run Greta's show.

What I'm confused by is the way they continue to use both Fox News and "CNS" in various scenes..

Good point. No crisis, no reason for another day (Season) of "24". Fox News because it's easy to plug your sister network, and CNS (actually CN3) because CNN won't let them use their logo. This season there seems to be a third network, is that supposed to be MSNBC?

Funny story, i actually pictured you guys suddenly uplifted by the news, then gradually, realizing the implications of this blunder, the smiles on your faces disappearing...No kidding, Valencia, CA where the Nuke went off is approximately 36 miles North of L.A. It usually takes about about 45 minutes to get there and that is when traffic volumes are light. Yet Jack gets back to CTU from there in 10.

Some people who live in Valencia got really pissed off after watching 24.
http://www.tvsquad.com/2007/01/23/when-24-blows-up-your-hometown/

I'm just pissed they may have destroyed Magic Mountain!

Some people who live in Valencia got really pissed off after watching 24.
After they found it was just a TV show? :p

My stupid DVR didn't record 24 this week. Do you know where I can find the episode?

You can watch it online at Fox's website.

Jack's sister-in-law Marilyn is smoking hot. Those eyes.....

James Cromwell's nose is longer than Graem is tall....

Great episode so far. The scenes between Jack and his brother are fantastic.

Jack should have killed his brother after he confessed to everything concerning the prior seasons.

Anyone watching tonight's show have any 5.1 audio issues? This is my first time watching it in HD/5.1 and it's difficult to hear plenty of the dialog, it's quieter than others. And yes it's more than just the fact they are whispering/talking softly at times. It's not the first time I have watched the show ;)

Anyone watching tonight's show have any 5.1 audio issues? This is my first time watching it in HD/5.1 and it's difficult to hear plenty of the dialog, it's quieter than others. And yes it's more than just the fact they are whispering/talking softly at times. It's not the first time I have watched the show ;)

mine is fine the only thing i can think of is that you need to turn just the center channel up.

That's what I ended up doing but I have balanced my speakers and don't have a problem with shows on other networks. heh... not only is this my first HD/5.1 viewing of 24 but having a Sinclair station on Mediacom means it's my first time watching FOX HD.

Nice ending. Next week we get two hours of Jack.

no Fathers day gift for you dad,.. What a dysfunctional family.. I'm all choked up from that episode.. so pop is a bad guy, another great episode

Its time for 24 to end....this should seriously be the last season...

Both big secrets were telegraphed from the beginning...so lame

Boy, you just KNEW the bomb programmer guy was going to be Morris when Chloe got that info on his brother getting exposed to the radiation...... Especially after Morris said "What is he doing in Valencia?"

Its time for 24 to end....this should seriously be the last season...

Both big secrets were telegraphed from the beginning...so lame
Stop watching and, please, stop crapping in this thread.

If you hate the show so much, don't turn it on. :mad:

I don't hate the show....I've been a loyal fan since the beginning...since Season 1 Episode 1 when 24 was actually something to talk about...now the story-lines are stupid and rehashes of old ones...Jack isn't killing people...he won't torture is brother....

there are no twists left in the show...

So why didn't they just kill Jack back at the office? This makes absolutely no sense.

And I know 24 doesn't ever really make sense, but this is just bad.

So why didn't they just kill Jack back at the office? This makes absolutely no sense.

And I know 24 doesn't ever really make sense, but this is just bad.
Because the government/CTU/police would have found the bodies and started investigating the company.

Dispose of them in the middle of nowhere and bury them in concrete and no one knows what happened for a long long time, if ever.

I love 24, and I'm one of those who thought last season was the best yet (I found season one boring to the point I'm amazed there was a second.)

However… I knew the engineer would be Morris as soon as they started the descrambling, and I knew Jack's Dad and Graham were working together last week. Jack's inability to torture his brother only added to that.

Bottom line - why should I know what's going to happen a good 30 minutes before it happens? The "old" Jack would have killed his brother and let Dad think he was the one that was nuts.

Powers Boothe playing a politician who wants power - color me shocked.

Perhaps this season will be about Wayne, Jack and Karen having to find their respective backbones.

(They've also "matured" Chloe's charcter to complete insignificance this year. I never thought I'd find Chloe boring, but so far she's interchangeable with any other CTU employee.)

Because the government/CTU/police would have found the bodies and started investigating the company.

Dispose of them in the middle of nowhere and bury them in concrete and no one knows what happened for a long long time, if ever.

They could have still taken the body to the site where they were going to kill him. After all, they thought nothing of killing the backup team in the parking lot and leaving their bodies there while they took care of business inside.

Also, the dad made the move to distract so Jack could grab the gunman's arm. Dad also could have just shot Jack instead of the guy on the ground (doesn't seem to have a problem killing his kids).

Once again, I know we are to suspend disbelief, but this, along with Morris being the engineer, just seems way too contrived right now.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels like they dumbed down the show....

Two episodes next week? I bet one is filler and the other has 15 minutes of action

Karen left the bunker at 12:05 PM 24T (24 Time). During the 11:00 hour, after her resignation, President Palmer said he would have military transportation available to her so she could get to LA and CTU. Given it takes about 45 minutes to get from the White House to Andrews AFB, she would leave Washington at about 1:15 PM 24T (unless they have aircraft waiting for her exclusively which would take off immediately upon her arrival). It takes about 5.5 hours non-stop to get to LA from Washington, and probably 10 minutes to get to CTU from anywhere in Southern California :-). Therefore, the earliest Karen should show up at CTU would be during the 7:00 PM 24T hour (about 3/19's episode). Let's see if she stays away that long.

Boy, you just KNEW the bomb programmer guy was going to be Morris when Chloe got that info on his brother getting exposed to the radiation...... Especially after Morris said "What is he doing in Valencia?"

I actually thought that the bomb engineer would be one of the following:

1) A reincarnation of Tony Almeda (long-lost twin, distant cousin, Bobby Ewing replicant);
2) President Logan (who knew what he was before he joined the Bluetooth group);
3) Martha Logan (she wasn't always a depressed, drunken First Lady).

(Suspension of Belief moment) It was amazing that the pixelization program immediately went from an indistinguishable image to Morris' picture in the blink of an eye.

Jack's sister-in-law Marilyn is smoking hot. Those eyes.....

James Cromwell's nose is longer than Graem is tall....

If you watch Heroes, she is also Nathan's wife on there.

Scott and Todd on WPLJ/NYC this morning made fun of the fact that one can barely listen to whatever is being said on 24. I have to increase by 10 the volume to be able to understand what most of the characters say. Now I know it's not only me... :)

If you watch Heroes, she is also Nathan's wife on there.
You're right.

I think Marisol Nichols, who plays Nadia, is much better looking and is totally hot. It's too bad that they don't give her more air time. :(

While Morris has always been a suspicious/loathsome character and I really expected him to be the mole this season, the fact that Mcarthy said "he would have to be coerced" means he wouldn't be a willing participant. Morris may very well be in on it, but as of right now, there is nothing that really proves he is, just implies that he is who they want to work for them, not that he IS working for them.

So why didn't they just kill Jack back at the office? This makes absolutely no sense.

And I know 24 doesn't ever really make sense, but this is just bad.

Apparently part of the plan was for Jack to get away...they are still hiding something, but they are trying to hide it by looking guilty about something else. 'everything according to plan' was what dumb Graeme said right before daddy offed him lol That was probably not in his plan :-)

Uh.. the fact that the terrorists had to kidnap him by tricking him into leaving CTU, then hold him at gunpoint in the car kinda tells me that he has no interest in working for them.

Here's hoping Morris sticks it out like a man and doesn't do it instead of caving in like a European pussy. What is he supposed to be? Irish? Dude can take it. ;)

I thought it was a pretty nice "twist" that Morris was NOT a mole, but rather an unwilling participant. I agree, that it was pretty obvious that Morris would be the guy...I called that one last week.

Uh.. the fact that the terrorists had to kidnap him by tricking him into leaving CTU, then hold him at gunpoint in the car kinda tells me that he has no interest in working for them.

Here's hoping Morris sticks it out like a man and doesn't do it instead of caving in like a European pussy. What is he supposed to be? Irish? Dude can take it. ;)

He's married to Chloe...the man can take a LOT of pain :-)

Apparently part of the plan was for Jack to get away...they are still hiding something, but they are trying to hide it by looking guilty about something else. 'everything according to plan' was what dumb Graeme said right before daddy offed him lol That was probably not in his plan :-)

I hope they explain this, because it doesn't make sense. They sacrafice two of their men, for what purpose? Jack still knows that they're evil--what could be gained by this convoluted plotline of acting like they were going to kill Jack and Dad, even though the plan the whole time was for Jack to escape. And when would this plan have been formulated? As far as I remember there was no private time between Dad and Graeme after he "captured" them.

I hope they explain this, because it doesn't make sense. They sacrafice two of their men, for what purpose? Jack still knows that they're evil--what could be gained by this convoluted plotline of acting like they were going to kill Jack and Dad, even though the plan the whole time was for Jack to escape. And when would this plan have been formulated? As far as I remember there was no private time between Dad and Graeme after he "captured" them.

All good questions, let's hope we get good answers (or at least remotely plausible). I have faith in the writers/producers that even if every i isn't dotted or t crossed that they'll give us a payoff that's worth the aggravation.

It was to get Jack to trust his dad. If not for the scene in the desert, Jack would not have reconnected with Pops.

That's what I ended up doing but I have balanced my speakers and don't have a problem with shows on other networks. heh... not only is this my first HD/5.1 viewing of 24 but having a Sinclair station on Mediacom means it's my first time watching FOX HD.

I'm glad this was mentioned. I had to sit with my finger on the volume button and make constant adjustments.

I'm glad this was mentioned. I had to sit with my finger on the volume button and make constant adjustments.

I noticed this too this week. Turn up the volume to hear someone speak and then get blown out of your seat when the clock starts ticking or a commercial comes on. I don't recall this in past viewings of this show.

Is everyone else getting crappy video with 24? I've got a 42" HDef and all of the other channels seem to be fine but 24 is just flat awful with the graphics. It looks muddy like a poorly upconverted SD broadcast. I would have expected better from FOX on this. Its been like this for a while - sometimes worse from show to show. Funny thing is - other FOX HD shows are much better (say... House or Amer Idol). I thought maybe it was my cable company Cox mucking it up but I have since switched to Verizon Fios and the same thing.

We won't be able to delve very deeply into this aspect of the current season, but I've been noticing that some of the dialog in the D.C. parts of the storyline have been drawn directly from "talking points" from both sides of current debates on similar topics. It's interesting to see the circumstances play out such that all sides are called somewhat into question within the context of the story. For all the logic gaps, the writers of this show are frequently very clever.

Is everyone else getting crappy video with 24? I've got a 42" HDef and all of the other channels seem to be fine but 24 is just flat awful with the graphics. It looks muddy like a poorly upconverted SD broadcast. I would have expected better from FOX on this. Its been like this for a while - sometimes worse from show to show. Funny thing is - other FOX HD shows are much better (say... House or Amer Idol). I thought maybe it was my cable company Cox mucking it up but I have since switched to Verizon Fios and the same thing.

Video looks OK on my 50" DLP. Sometimes there is some graininess in the scenes with a lot of dark backgrounds but I think they are doing that on purpose.

We won't be able to delve very deeply into this aspect of the current season, but I've been noticing that some of the dialog in the D.C. parts of the storyline have been drawn directly from "talking points" from both sides of current debates on similar topics. It's interesting to see the circumstances play out such that all sides are called somewhat into question within the context of the story. For all the logic gaps, the writers of this show are frequently very clever.
The logic gaps are intentional. If the show operated logically, it would be boring as hell and nothing would ever happen. It'd take an entire episode just for Jack to travel from Valencia to CTU.

The logic gaps are intentional. If the show operated logically, it would be boring as hell and nothing would ever happen.
It's all a matter of degree. Rob Thomas, the writer and creator of Veronica Mars talked about this in an interview a couple of weeks ago. In one of their episodes he admitted that the "smart" thing for Veronica to have done would have been to pull the fire alarm but that wouldn't have made for good television. On the other hand, the VM writers are constantly trying to avoid easy shortcuts like having Veronica steal a cell phone to get information.

What happened on 24 that week? A entire subplot about stealing a cell phone to get information. :rolleyes:

Does the President's sister bug the crap out of anyone else?

She has GO TO GO!

I'm glad this was mentioned. I had to sit with my finger on the volume button and make constant adjustments.

I find that keeping my receiver set on "midnight mode" helps. In fact, I keep my receiver in this mode almost always.

I noticed this too this week. Turn up the volume to hear someone speak and then get blown out of your seat when the clock starts ticking or a commercial comes on. I don't recall this in past viewings of this show.

I have the same problem with most drama shows, especially Battlestar Gallactica - whether in SD on SciFi or 5.1 HD on UNI - Prison Break, Grey's, etc. It seems to be a rule that characters are never permitted to speak in a normal voice at a reasonable volume. They must whisper in a conspiratorial tone to add to the suspense. Finger on the volume toggle is the only way to go.

Just a FYI - I had the same dialog issue last night. Way too much crap out of the fronts when people were speaking. I had to crank up the center channel - movies and other shows are OK. And yes, I have good hearing.

I'm glad this was mentioned. I had to sit with my finger on the volume button and make constant adjustments.


another here with hearing issues. I have to sit with remote in hand as I have to have 24 up around -24 to hear it where usually I have it set to -32, but ah, those commercials are teh darn reason to hang onto remote..ouch...I get this on a lot of programming..my system is mcacc set up..so it is calibrated...

24 is an *event* for me. I close the doors to the living room, turn the lights down, get out the chips and salsa, and turn the receiver up to reference level. Dialog is a bit louder than normal dialog, and explosions and crashes are as loud as... explosions and crashes.

Everything sounds awesome.. except the commercials seem to be normalized around the same decibel level as the loudest explosions in the show. So, I mute the commercials.

I watch most TV at -20 to -15.. but 24 gets the 0.

Good tip about the "midnight mode" setting, I forgot about that. For me it's not just last nights episode but all episodes of 24 and Prison break. I have to constantly adjust the volume on these shows. Now I know it's not just me. On other networks with dialogue driven shows, I don't have that issue, regardless of where I am actually viewing (bedroom, living room, projector).

I think these shows are broadcast with a wide dynamic range the same way a movie is.

My cable box has a "narrow" dynamic range setting that will help normalize the volumes a bit.

The reason for the actions towards Jack seem two-fold:

1) Jack now trusts Dad
2) Dad saw that Jack still has an attachment to his brother and is "weak"; imagine what his reaction will be when he finds out "CTU" killed his brother.

I wouldn't be surprised if in Jack's state of mind if he chooses to work more closely with good ol' Dad rather than CTU only to be shafted in seven or eight episodes or so.

Really, his Dad's "I need a few minutes" would have been a giant flashing rotating red beacon to Jack in past seasons.

The reason for the actions towards Jack seem two-fold:



Really, his Dad's "I need a few minutes" would have been a giant flashing rotating red beacon to Jack in past seasons.

CTU has terrible history of bad things happening when leaving suspects alone. You'd think they'd be trained not to do it by now. I'd still consider dad a suspect anyway, given his connections to the nukes.

Really, his Dad's "I need a few minutes" would have been a giant flashing rotating red beacon to Jack in past seasons.

But Jack wasn't there when the request was made, just the CTU redshirt who gave the permission.

I think CTU will be exonerated after a bit of back and forth blame-game, once Jack sees the readout of Graem's biometrics and the timeline of his "seizure".

CTU has terrible history of bad things happening when leaving suspects alone.
Or with Jack Bauer! Must run in the family! :eek:

Or with Jack Bauer! Must run in the family! :eek:

"Remember the hacksaw!" should be in every CTU training manual by now.

Karen left the bunker at 12:05 PM 24T (24 Time). During the 11:00 hour, after her resignation, President Palmer said he would have military transportation available to her so she could get to LA and CTU. Given it takes about 45 minutes to get from the White House to Andrews AFB, she would leave Washington at about 1:15 PM 24T (unless they have aircraft waiting for her exclusively which would take off immediately upon her arrival). It takes about 5.5 hours non-stop to get to LA from Washington, and probably 10 minutes to get to CTU from anywhere in Southern California :-). Therefore, the earliest Karen should show up at CTU would be during the 7:00 PM 24T hour (about 3/19's episode). Let's see if she stays away that long.

The Prez just said he'd provide military transportation, not what type of military transportation.

What's to stop them from flying her over in SR-71?
What's the Blackbirds flight time DC to LA, about an hour?
(negative exaggeration for effect)

Add in the 3 hour difference between DC and LA, and she should land before she takes off. :D


Jerry

What's to stop them from flying her over in SR-71?
You mean *besides* the fact that they're officially retired and non-operational? ;)

Most likely "military transport" for Karen would be something like a C-21, akin to an executive business jet.
http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=88

Most likely "military transport" for Karen would be something like a C-21, akin to an executive business jet.
http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=88

Thanks for the link. According to the fact sheet, the C-21 has a range of 2300 miles. She'll probably be refueling in your hometown. ;) Then you can meet the plane and tell her what you know about Jack's dad. :D

Thanks for the link. According to the fact sheet, the C-21 has a range of 2300 miles. She'll probably be refueling in your hometown. ;) Then you can meet the plane and tell her what you know about Jack's dad. :D
I'll tell her to advise Jack he could be in big trouble if Dad tells him, "That'll do, pig."

Does the President's sister bug the crap out of anyone else?

She has GO TO GO!


"Jack - this is Bill - the President's sister knows something."

Problem solved.

But Jack wasn't there when the request was made, just the CTU redshirt who gave the permission.

I think CTU will be exonerated after a bit of back and forth blame-game, once Jack sees the readout of Graem's biometrics and the timeline of his "seizure".I meant the original request when Jack's Dad told Jack he'd need a few minutes, not when his Dad asked to be alone with Jack's brother.

CTU will be exonerated, but as I said likely not before Jack jumps to conclusions and blows off CTU to go try and find someone involved with his Dad, only to be double-crossed at some important point post-hour 18 or so.

However… I knew the engineer would be Morris as soon as they started the descrambling, and I knew Jack's Dad and Graham were working together last week. Jack's inability to torture his brother only added to that.


Yep, when they wouldn't give the name and kept it going, I knew it had to be Morris or someone with the last name Bauer - and Jack wasn't included. When the story about his brother came in, that told the tale.

Furthermore, when Jack's dad was not taken to CTU immediately with the wife and son - and obviously for debriefing because he still knows a lot given what they do know (even if they don't know all he knows) - and then asking to spend a few minutes with his son - what was going to happen?

Of course, he just throws the syringe with his fingerprints on it down right beside the body - lol.

It really is becoming predictable.

However, the best thing is that first Jack stole a cellphone in Hour 1 - and of course everyone from CTU to the President has the number - and now he's on his his 2nd or 3rd borrowed cellphone?

How does everyone keep getting his number :D

That one's really not too difficult - I would think CTU has Caller ID. :D

(They've used this quite often before, with characters regularly saying "Call me back at this number.")

You mean *besides* the fact that they're officially retired and non-operational? ;)


She leaves the "Underground Bunker" quickly drives to Dulles Airport.. 20 minutes from downtown DC. (Police escort). During that time, The Air & Space museum (located at Dulles) will fill up SR-71 and have it waitng for her....and she'll fly it herself, because Bill downloaded the flight instructions to her PDA..


Charlie

She leaves the "Underground Bunker" quickly drives to Dulles Airport.. 20 minutes from downtown DC. (Police escort). During that time, The Air & Space museum (located at Dulles) will fill up SR-71 and have it waitng for her....and she'll fly it herself, because Bill downloaded the flight instructions to her PDA..


Charlie

They can throw her butt in the back of a 2 seater f-15 (supersonic) and tank in midair. That will have her in LA in no time :-)

Hmmm, got a sinking feeling about this show. I'll start by saying I love it to death, but when I was watching it I suddenly realized that I do not have the edge of my seat experience like I had last year. I think it is because it is the same, someone is tortured, Jack is captured but escapes, Jack narrowly escapes being captured, someone at CTU is bad, etc. etc. Just the same thing, nothing is shocking me or making me say WOW. I'll definitly watch and enjoy the show but my love for the show is definitely reducing each season.

Hmmm, got a sinking feeling about this show. I'll start by saying I love it to death, but when I was watching it I suddenly realized that I do not have the edge of my seat experience like I had last year. I think it is because it is the same, someone is tortured, Jack is captured but escapes, Jack narrowly escapes being captured, someone at CTU is bad, etc. etc. Just the same thing, nothing is shocking me or making me say WOW. I'll definitly watch and enjoy the show but my love for the show is definitely reducing each season.

I've felt that way for a couple of years now. The increasing popularity of the show baffles me, as do claims that last season was the best yet. Say what? :rolleyes:

I still watch it because it's become a social event, something to do on Tuesday nights (it started out as a Tuesday night show and the DVR allows me to keep it a Tuesday night show) with a couple other people who have become just as jaded with it as I have. But it's certainly not "must see TV" for us anymore, and hasn't been for some time. There's a formula they've followed from the first season and they just plug in the names of each season's new (and sometimes not-so-new) urbane, well-spoken European terrorists, a new layer of which are revealed every 8 episodes or so. Wash, rinse, repeat.

It should be sinking in popularity for these reasons, but it's not. It's certainly not any better than it was in it's first (and still the best because it was fresh) season. It's starting to take on an odor of decay. So what do they do? Why, plan a big ol' Hollywood movie to cash in big-time! And now they've put that off filming that for another year, so it won't be released in theaters until 2009! Will it still be relevant then? How much more can Jack take before he completely cracks up? Better question: how much more can we take? ;)

It should be sinking in popularity for these reasons, but it's not. It's certainly not any better than it was in it's first (and still the best because it was fresh) season. It's starting to take on an odor of decay. So what do they do? Why, plan a big ol' Hollywood movie to cash in big-time! And now they've put that off filming that for another year, so it won't be released in theaters until 2009! Will it still be relevant then? How much more can Jack take before he completely cracks up? Better question: how much more can we take? ;)

Many people are discovering 24 in DVD and tearing through seasons in a weeks time as opposed to months/years like those of us who have watched from the start. So to them, this is all still new. That's why you are seeing the viewership increase/stay strong.

I still love the show, it's character/tension driven and as long as it keeps feeding us that I'm ok with it. It's definitely must-see TV for me, along with Heroes, BSG, LOST.

It should be sinking in popularity for these reasons, but it's not. It's certainly not any better than it was in it's first (and still the best because it was fresh) season. It's starting to take on an odor of decay. So what do they do? Why, plan a big ol' Hollywood movie to cash in big-time! And now they've put that off filming that for another year, so it won't be released in theaters until 2009! Will it still be relevant then? How much more can Jack take before he completely cracks up? Better question: how much more can we take? ;)
Jack is cracking up and that's what's made this season excellent so far.

He's only killed a couple! ;) In every other year the body count would be well into the double digits by now. He almost completely cracked and murdered his brother in front of a dozen CTU agents.

The fact is that people watch the show because of Jack Bauer. He's a great character. We care about him. He's subtly different in every season - this season more so than most.

Yes, the same plot lines are used over and over. So what? The show might be decreasing in quality.. but it's still one of the best shows on TV.

She leaves the "Underground Bunker" quickly drives to Dulles Airport.. 20 minutes from downtown DC. (Police escort). During that time, The Air & Space museum (located at Dulles) will fill up SR-71 and have it waitng for her....and she'll fly it herself, because Bill downloaded the flight instructions to her PDA..


Charlie

Why wouldn't she use the space shuttle that they have there? :confused:

I've seen that SR-71 they have in the A&S museum; man, that thing is awesome! They say it leaked oil and fuel like a sieve until it got up to supersonic speed and the metal expanded enough to seal everything up properly. And the wing leading edges supposedly got so hot from friction from the air, they glowed red! Still the fastest, highest flying airplane ever built.

You mean *besides* the fact that they're officially retired and non-operational? ;)

When you have the full resources of the United States Government at your disposal, you fly first class. In this case, the Aurora. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_aircraft) Only problem, they probably would not let it take off or land unless it was dark, since the plane doesn't officially exist. Remember though, that the SR-71 didn't officially exist until they retired it from service.

I've seen that SR-71 they have in the A&S museum; man, that thing is awesome! They say it leaked oil and fuel like a sieve until it got up to supersonic speed and the metal expanded enough to seal everything up properly. And the wing leading edges supposedly got so hot from friction from the air, they glowed red! Still the fastest, highest flying airplane ever built.


The Pima Air Museum outside Tucson (http://aeroweb.brooklyn.cuny.edu/museums/az/pam.htm) has an SR-71 on display that you can actually stand next to and touch! An awesome place overall and well worth the trip.

You are absolutely correct, the Blackbird leaked like a sieve until it took off, air friction heated everything, and it swelled up. If you are interested, Skunk Works (http://www.amazon.com/Skunk-Works-Personal-Memoir-Lockheed/dp/0316743003) is a fascinating book about the top-secret Lockheed plant where the SR-71, the U2, the Stealth fighter, and many other projects originated.

I've seen that SR-71 they have in the A&S museum; man, that thing is awesome! They say it leaked oil and fuel like a sieve until it got up to supersonic speed and the metal expanded enough to seal everything up properly. And the wing leading edges supposedly got so hot from friction from the air, they glowed red! Still the fastest, highest flying airplane ever built.

seen it there too in Dulles....awesome aircraft to see upclose

I got to participate in a refueling mission for an SR-71, and I can tell you that the description "leaks like a seive" is accurate. It leaks on the ground, too. However, you could throw a lit match into that fuel and it would not burn.

I got to participate in a refueling mission for an SR-71, and I can tell you that the description "leaks like a seive" is accurate. It leaks on the ground, too. However, you could throw a lit match into that fuel and it would not burn.

They still flying those things UK? I thought NASA may still have an operational one, but I could be wrong.

It's starting to take on an odor of decay.
For me, nothing epitomizes this more than Chloe being neutered so her character can "grow".

This seems to be inevitable in long running tv series. Give 'em a couple more years and Jack will be wearing his seatbelt and worrying about recycling.

Jack is cracking up and that's what's made this season excellent so far.

He's only killed a couple! ;) In every other year the body count would be well into the double digits by now. He almost completely cracked and murdered his brother in front of a dozen CTU agents.

The fact is that people watch the show because of Jack Bauer. He's a great character. We care about him. He's subtly different in every season - this season more so than most.

Yes, the same plot lines are used over and over. So what? The show might be decreasing in quality.. but it's still one of the best shows on TV.

I'm waiting for the season finale, where Jack thwarts Fayed, then gets to sit down with Dr Phil and discuss his daddy-issues. Fayed will be caught in the first 3 minutes, all remaining issues with the VP, the chief of staff, and the President's sister will already been solved in the previous episode, so Dr Phil meets with Jack, and this is the final 45 minutes of the show. Jack says that he misses his brother Graem, wishes he could just start over with his dad, and BTW maybe he could shack up with the widowed Mrs Bauer, who he used to have a thing for...

I've felt that way for a couple of years now. The increasing popularity of the show baffles me, as do claims that last season was the best yet. Say what? :rolleyes:Sure, I'll say it. I own all five previous seasons on DVD and loved Season 5 and considered it the best yet.

A lot of people liked S1, but as I mentioned previously, I can't even bring myself to rewatch it as I find it boring.

S2? Kim, cougar, enough said, though Marie Warner was one of the great characters on the show.

S3? Not bad, though I have a hard time seeing Joaquim de Almeida without thinking of Clear and Present Danger. Never really liked Chase, though.

S4? Quite good, and of couse William Devane is amazing in anything he does.

But Logan and Martha made S5 the best season yet for me.

Slightly OT but, has anyone ever thought of what a wicked show this would be if Jack teamed up with Vic Mackey (Michael Chiklis) from 'The Shield'? Those two loose cannons together would make for one explosive drama :D

Teamed up? You mean, like, romantically?

Teamed up? You mean, like, romantically?

Jack would be the pitcher

Teamed up? You mean, like, romantically?
I could see it now, Vic and Jack sharing a snickers bar...
and then, instead of ripping out chest hairs, they shoot it out,
kind of like at the end of the film True Romance, appropriately titled. :p

Let's, uh, keep this on topic guys.

Or, at least, *off* that topic.

And, yes, I *do* blame the mod for, er, jerking the thread off in that direction ;)

Does the President's sister bug the crap out of anyone else?

She has GO TO GO!

The actress sucks. The same furrowed brow, the same concerned tone, that's about all she's got.

Exact same character as she was in Jerry Maguire.

Hmmm, got a sinking feeling about this show. I'll start by saying I love it to death, but when I was watching it I suddenly realized that I do not have the edge of my seat experience like I had last year. I think it is because it is the same, someone is tortured, Jack is captured but escapes, Jack narrowly escapes being captured, someone at CTU is bad, etc. etc. Just the same thing, nothing is shocking me or making me say WOW. I'll definitly watch and enjoy the show but my love for the show is definitely reducing each season.


I totally agree. My favorite Season of 24 was Season 2.

Day 3 was weak, but Day 4 was excellent. Season 5 is good but I was upset they killed every character I really liked in the show and then Shanghai'd Jack.

Now that we are Season 6, which so far hasn't really hooked me. The resolution from the cliffhanger was weak and I hate the whole family connection thing this season.

I hope it gets back on track real soon.

My all-time favorite episode from 24 has to be the first episode ever, Family subplot with Jack and Nina, Drinking, drug use, bloody violence, plus not one but two sex scenes, and of course a scene of a plane blowing up just 6 weeks after 9/11. I tell people that the first season DVD shows the episode exactly as it was aired and they never believe me. Except for the alternate happy ending of Jack's family there is not any deleted scenes from that season DVD.

Exact same character as she was in Jerry Maguire.

and Enemy of the State.......

Many people are discovering 24 in DVD and tearing through seasons in a weeks time as opposed to months/years like those of us who have watched from the start. So to them, this is all still new. That's why you are seeing the viewership increase/stay strong.

I still love the show, it's character/tension driven and as long as it keeps feeding us that I'm ok with it. It's definitely must-see TV for me, along with Heroes, BSG, LOST.

Correct! I've introduced 24 to many family and friends by loaning my season DVD sets to them. Now they are hardcore fans.

Just a reminder that 24 starts at 8:00 tonight (a 2-hour episode)!

Here's hoping for some non-crappy episodes this week!

All good questions, let's hope we get good answers (or at least remotely plausible). I have faith in the writers/producers that even if every i isn't dotted or t crossed that they'll give us a payoff that's worth the aggravation.

...are you referring to the recent escape (with Dad) or the "escape" from China -- an exchange demanded by terrorists. IF Dad/Graem control the terrorists/bombs AND they manipulated the return of Jack from China, it DOES suggest a reason for Jack being kept alive, etc. The question is WHAT???? :eek:

I just got caught up with this season of 24. Hmm... it seems to me like it's just a different day, same story. As others already pointed out, I wonder who the mole is at CTU this season?? You know there's gonna be one. My guess is it's the guy who's back from season 1 (just because no one would expect it). WTF happened to Chloe... I want hew sarcasm back! Hopefully, the writers are going to "mix it up" a bit in the next few hours to get us back to the "edge of our seat" viewing experience.

...are you referring to the recent escape (with Dad) or the "escape" from China -- an exchange demanded by terrorists. IF Dad/Graem control the terrorists/bombs AND they manipulated the return of Jack from China, it DOES suggest a reason for Jack being kept alive, etc. The question is WHAT???? :eek:

I'm not directly referring to any one event...I just have faith that the writers/producers will make the overall plot make just enough sense. It doesn't have to be perfect :-) Just give us loads of action and Jack badassness and we'll forgive quite a bit.

Have loved watching "24" over the last few years, but I have to admit that this year is seeming very predictable and sometimes more annoying that entertaining.

Top annoyance - the president's sister. Why the hell is the president calling his sister about her beat up boyfriend while he's in the middle of a political crisis of how to deal with a terrorist loose with 5 nuclear bombs?

Second annoyance - the "unbelievable" president. How did this guy ever get elected? His brother was believable as a strong person of high principles and firm control. This new guy is weak-kneed , too young, doesn't look like a statesman (head shaved?!?) and annoying as hell!!

Boy, I miss Sherry Palmer now. She was so much more interesting.

Bill Buchanan and Chloe are the only people I care about back at CTU now. Where's Edgar when you need him to provide comic relief.

Sorry to see Jack's brother go, because he was beginning to grow on me as a strong character.

.... Sorry for the rag sheet, but I just had to weigh in....

So far so good tonight, looks promising.

I wonder how much Navman paid for their product placement. The inclusion was definitely a bit awkward.

1st hour - great episode with plenty of action. Jack upped his body count by 2 or 3.

2nd hour - Too much talk until the last 3 minutes.

Previews for next week look fantastic.

Am I the only one rooting for Chad Lowe's plan to succeed? The President meeting with a known terrorist in his inner sanctum (alone) was bad enough, but then to take a call from the VP right in front of him was moronic. The mass internments would probably make for good TV anyway.

We need a President like Jack Bauer, but he's unelectable. Maybe Jack could bring back David Palmer from the dead and run the country with some "Weekend at Bernie's" shenanigans. :)

I know a lot of people associate Jack's father as that guy from Six Feet Under, but to me he will forever be Louis Skolnick's dad from Revenge of the Nerds.

I just can't take him seriously.

Does anybody else feel that D.B. Woodside who plays Wayne Palmer is just an awful actor? I just cringe at times. I'm not talking about the "character" of Wayne Palmer, I'm talking about Woodside's delivery of that character. Just bad.

Of course I thought the same thing about Regina King who played Sandra Palmer a few seasons ago -- especially early on. I thought her acting was pretty bad.

The only "Palmer" that was played very well was Dennis Haysbert who played David Palmer. He played the role really well.

But Woodside sounds like a bad audition most of the time.

Did anyone time how long it took for Assad to get from LA to Washington D.C.? That's like a 5-6hr flight right (not including time at the airport, taxing, boarding, etc)???

Also, in the time Assad went cross-country, the Vice President is flying where exactly? It's sunny wherever he's flying right now. Maybe he's being doing laps around the continental US for the entire day so far. LOL

much better progression of the story tonight...I actually enjoyed watching it...

only flaw in logic I found was getting from Andrews AFB to the White House in under 20 minutes...I don't even think you can do that in a chopper

I know a lot of people associate Jack's father as that guy from Six Feet Under, but to me he will forever be Louis Skolnick's dad from Revenge of the Nerds.

I just can't take him seriously.
Go rent LA Confidential, The Green Mile, and The Longest Yard.

Those'll change your mind.

I mean, OK, so now Tom and some others are conspiring to kill or incapacitate Wayne...Gee, that's like S2 where the cabinet got together to get David to step down.

And the villains this season are pretty weak. Even Jack's dad has been kind of a disappointment...and Cromwell's a good actor. Fayed is arguably a worse villain than Marwan. I miss Nina, Dennis Hopper's character, Mandy...The white chick in S2 - nice twist there.

Does anyone care about the Russian dude this season? I hope they get rid of Fayed soon and find some other bad guy. Jack chasing some nukes really isn't terribly exciting. Last season had a similar problem - after the attempted assassination of the Russian President and the First Lady, things hit a slump for a an episode or two - until it was revealed that the President was the baddy - and Logan was great. Itzin was one of the best actors they've had on. The season opener last season was much more shocking than this season's...The first two nights last season were absolutely solid entertainment. This season, even the opener wasn't that great IMO.

For me the only real jaw dropping twist this season has been the revelation that Bluetooth gang leader Graem was Jack's bro....and his dad kills him. Curtis getting killed was sort of a shocker - moreso than the nuke going off...

I hope the season picks up once Logan is back. He could make things a bit more interesting. But at the moment, the writers are looking kinda lazy. Plus, Wayne's delivery SUCKS. I mean, it sounds like he's talking to school kids or something...I never noticed him to be a weak actor until this season, maybe because he was never all that relevant next to his brother.

This is the first year I have watched "24" , and I would appreciate if someone could answer a couple questions regarding Jack's father:

1. I understand he worked with Jack's brother in the "Company" that was involved in obtaining the nuclear weapons from Russia. Why then is CTU trusting him? Are they naive enough to believe he had no involvement?

2. Why did Jacks' father kill his son? What did he believe his son might reveal...that his father was also involved?

Also, apparently from the closing commuciation Fayed is not aligned with the Arab community. If not, what is his agenda?

Thanks!

This is the first year I have watched "24" , and I would appreciate if someone could answer a couple questions regarding Jack's father:

1. I understand he worked with Jack's brother in the "Company" that was involved in obtaining the nuclear weapons from Russia. Why then is CTU trusting him? Are they naive enough to believe he had no involvement?
Yes, they are, the same way non-CTU personnel are allowed to just wander around the place and make cell-phone calls without being detected.

2. Why did Jacks' father kill his son? What did he believe his son might reveal...that his father was also involved?
His father is definitely involved to the extent that the nukes did not end up where they were supposed to be, decommissioned.

Also, apparently from the closing commuciation Fayed is not aligned with the Arab community. If not, what is his agenda?

Thanks!
I believe he is aligned, it's the Russians that are going to double cross him, furthering their own agenda and letting Fayed and company take the blame.

much better progression of the story tonight...I actually enjoyed watching it...

only flaw in logic I found was getting from Andrews AFB to the White House in under 20 minutes...I don't even think you can do that in a chopper

Actually, I guess I disagree with all points here.

The entire first 60 minutes was totally predictable from the previews where we saw Jack with the bomb.

Thus we knew from the preview:


1) Morris would activate the detonator

2) Jack would find it

3) Jack would disarm it (or be dead) and 24 would end

4) The bad guy would get away to set off more nukes (or the day would have been over at 2pm)

end 1pm-2pm

As for LA to Andrews, its 2308 miles/2006 Nautical Miles/3714 km so even with a good stiff tailwind, its still a good 4 hours of flight time considering the time needed to get to altitude - which wasn't what we had on 24. We didn't even have 4 hours from the time we saw him last in CTU - much less time to get to airport in LA.

Andrews to the White House via Marine 1 is very doable in less than 20 minutes - assuming that if they wanted him on a miltary flight from LA to DC, they wouldnt waste time on traffic.

But then again, the way the walk through LA traffic is laughable at best.

And considering they went to commercials at 1:51pm and came back at 1:55pm anyone thing he could get down the rope, crawl through the sewer and be long gone in a helio in 4 minutes?

Better yet, we can get satellites to find Morris in a car some time ago at an intersection, but we can't track a known helicopter that took off in the last 2 minutes.

Just a little consistency would be nice sometimes.

Second annoyance - the "unbelievable" president. How did this guy ever get elected? His brother was believable as a strong person of high principles and firm control. This new guy is weak-kneed , too young, doesn't look like a statesman (head shaved?!?) and annoying as hell!!Democrats have always thought the same thing about Bush 43.

Republicans look on at the press' breathless orgy over Obama and think the same thing about a current candidate.

Finally, I can certainly see the public voting for Palmer so soon after the assasination of his brother as a sympathy vote.

Better yet, we can get satellites to find Morris in a car some time ago at an intersection, but we can't track a known helicopter that took off in the last 2 minutes.Let's see... the LA area has lots of traffic cameras, but how many cameras are pointed at the sky? Anyone? Not at all farfetched, especially considering helicopters are not required to follow distinct air corridors except near airports. If the copter is flying below ATC radar height, how precisely would it be located?

BTW, tonight's preview basically told you a lot about next week's episode as well.

Anyone notice that at least one of the scenes that was in a preview for this week's episode apparently was moved to next week?

I was disappointed at Morris, though; I really didn't believe he'd be stupid enough to give them a working arming device, or at least one that wouldn't self-destruct after being used once. (Glad he could still type after being drilled in the shoulder.)

A bigger question for me is why it's an effective threat to tell someone you're kidnapping they'd better move or the next shot will be in the back of their head; sort of defeats the purpose if you end up killing the person you were going to deliver, doesn't it? (Not unlike the lack of wisdom in beating the crap out of and torturing the person who has to have the mental and physical faculties to program a highly complex device for you.)

I won't even begin on the subject of why Graem's wife didn't immediately tell Jack about the phone call as soon as she hung up, especially given her son's life is at risk. In past seasons Jack's Dad would have told her the car was bugged or that he otherwise would have been able to tell if she broke from the "Susan" story, but here there was absolutely no reason for her not to inform Jack in full immediately except to advance the plot.

I guess it's just more in the category of, as the producers have said before, "The show's name is 24, not 12." :D

But my wife and I feel the same as many here - we own seasons 1 - 5 on DVD, but it seems like they have new writers this year - the story line is OK, but they're telegraphing everything out 45 minutes to several episodes ahead. Oooh, another pending presidential assassination? Didn't see that one coming as soon as they introduced the VP. Did anyone think Jack's Dad wouldn't do something sinister? (Though at least if he has Gredenko killed it will end up helping out CTU anyway…)

I thought Fox was going to quit giving away so much on the next week previews....



WHAT HAPPENED to the hour before this 1?? We watched last week's eppy (where M gets kinapped) then bang he's free again!



THis show lost the wife and I last year (great start-stupid after that!) and we're quickly fadng once more....

all the chemistry left with Tony and Michelle's passing. Keifer's great but 1/2 the cast can't act! :mad:

From the great Pres. Palmer, down to Barney Fyffe, now his passionless brother! :rolleyes:

I thought Fox was going to quit giving away so much on the next week previews....



WHAT HAPPENED to the hour before this 1?? We watched last week's eppy (where M gets kinapped) then bang he's free again!



THis show lost the wife and I last year (great start-stupid after that!) and we're quickly fadng once more....

all the chemistry left with Tony and Michelle's passing. Keifer's great but 1/2 the cast can't act! :mad:

From the great Pres. Palmer, down to Barney Fyffe, now his passionless brother! :rolleyes:

There were two episodes last night. 8 - 9 and from 9 - 10 (East Coast Time). Sounds like you may have missed the first episode showing Morris activating the controller, then getting rescued just in time for Jack to Kill all of the terrorists EXCEPT for Fayid. Crazy.

Here is my take on 24 and what I tell Family/Friends who have never watched the show. Pick any season, that's right, ANY season and watch it. It's great, you'll love it. Now, do not ever watch another season as it's the same ol' crap.

We're running out of time.
We have no Choice.
<as Jack gets to the destination 20 seconds too late> DAMNIT!!
We need to work better and work faster.

This season is completely ridiculous. When the Bauer Family involvement occurred last week, I lost it. I was going to give another week (this week). Horrible. Chloe has been a mastermind the last few years in figuring out programs/patches that nobody else can from CTU, but she draws a blank ONE time because her boyfriend was taken hostage, and CTU pulls her from her job. Yet, Morris was able to continue his job when he was NOT following Milo's orders.....several times. They are tattle tails at CTU. Like when Milo went to the Director...Chloe is screwing up, she's not doing it right...bla bla bla.

Jack is either yelling on the phone, or whispering when he talks live.

Does CTU have an unlimited amount of Field Agents? How many have died this year, yet the next scene shows several CTU SUVs with the guys "SETTING UP A PERIMETER".

Why does there ALWAYS have to be a mole in CTU, or using someone in CTU for the greater plan of the terrorists? Why is there ALWAYS someone forced to step down at the White House, and many hidden Agendas behind the Presidents back? If you've seen one season, you've seen enough.

Sorry for the rant, but as a long time 24 fan, the last two weeks have frustrated me as I feel the writers are just slapping stuff together.

Little frustrated in this episode.

Why would they signal a fire alarm in the apartment building. They have the heat signatures, they have equipment to do this going down a hallway. When they see the one room that has like 20 people in it, pretty sure that is going to be the one. Not to many apartments out there have a whole gang of people hiding in them.

Also, why was Jack so nervous to flip a dip switch? Why did he have to be so careful to just push the dipstick. He acted like he didn't need to touch anything else, it didn't matter if he did, just push the stupid dip switch down, there problem over. He wasn't sticking his screwdriver into a ton of sensitive wires, its a dip switch.

So this great and smart Milo couldn't do something to the device to make it work once and then say require a scrambled code for the next one? Seems he could of done something seeing as how he is portrayed as being this brilliant person. Kind of lame.

Oh, and big surprise, the bad guy got away at the last second, good thing bad guys always know how to escape at the last second. That is getting SO old.

Little frustrated in this episode.

Why would they signal a fire alarm in the apartment building. They have the heat signatures, they have equipment to do this going down a hallway. When they see the one room that has like 20 people in it, pretty sure that is going to be the one. Not to many apartments out there have a whole gang of people hiding in them.

Also, why was Jack so nervous to flip a dip switch? Why did he have to be so careful to just push the dipstick. He acted like he didn't need to touch anything else, it didn't matter if he did, just push the stupid dip switch down, there problem over. He wasn't sticking his screwdriver into a ton of sensitive wires, its a dip switch.

So this great and smart Milo couldn't do something to the device to make it work once and then say require a scrambled code for the next one? Seems he could of done something seeing as how he is portrayed as being this brilliant person. Kind of lame.

Oh, and big surprise, the bad guy got away at the last second, good thing bad guys always know how to escape at the last second. That is getting SO old. I was wondering the same thing. Programming a virus into the logic or some code initiating a false alarming, but it deactivates.

Overall, show was pretty predicable. You knew McCarty would get killed, the girl would end up dead, the grandson would be taken hostage, the bomb in the house. At least we don't have to wait 4-5 weeks before Jack realizes his dad is one of the bad guys.

This is the first year I have watched "24" , and I would appreciate if someone could answer a couple questions regarding Jack's father:

1. I understand he worked with Jack's brother in the "Company" that was involved in obtaining the nuclear weapons from Russia. Why then is CTU trusting him? Are they naive enough to believe he had no involvement?

2. Why did Jacks' father kill his son? What did he believe his son might reveal...that his father was also involved?

Also, apparently from the closing commuciation Fayed is not aligned with the Arab community. If not, what is his agenda?

Thanks!

Jack's father's motives (and those of his brother) are really unclear. Why did he suppose aiding terrorists would 'protect' his company? Was he going to lose defense contracts and then decided to help create a 'crisis' that would make his company relevant again? No idea. His brother's statements made it sound like he was doing it for the good of the country. Weird.

Those of us who've been watching 24 from the start know as much about Jack's family as you do. This is the first season that they've even been MENTIONED, let alone appeared. :-)

This is my first season of 24. Has Chloe had some botched facelift that causes her to scowl permanently?

This is my first season of 24. Has Chloe had some botched facelift that causes her to scowl permanently?


LOL dude you ARE new. This Season's Chloe scowls THE LEAST of all the previous seasons. People are complaining that she's gone soft :-)

(The answer would be no, no facelift, she just scowls alot)

Morris is a bad ass...

Less than an hour after having been beaten by a baseball bat and being drilled into the shoulder blade... He's up working at CTU with just a little encouragement.

Morris is a bad ass...

Less than an hour after having been beaten by a baseball bat and being drilled into the shoulder blade... He's up working at CTU with just a little encouragement.

LOL he got slapped in the face by Chloe :-) That helps.

I was disappointed that he didn't hold out longer...he has to know they are going to kill him anyway as soon as he does what they want.

Little frustrated in this episode.

Also, why was Jack so nervous to flip a dip switch? Why did he have to be so careful to just push the dipstick. He acted like he didn't need to touch anything else, it didn't matter if he did, just push the stupid dip switch down, there problem over. He wasn't sticking his screwdriver into a ton of sensitive wires, its a dip switch.

So this great and smart Milo couldn't do something to the device to make it work once and then say require a scrambled code for the next one? Seems he could of done something seeing as how he is portrayed as being this brilliant person. Kind of lame.
No wonder you're frustrated, if you've confused Morris and Milo. :D

Also, I don't care who you are, you're going to be shaky if you're trying to defuse a nuclear device. Defusing a conventional bomb is bad enough, but a nuke?

(BTW, what happens when one of the clumsy CTU guys moves the bomb and Jack's screwdriver falls out, allowing the trigger plates to make contact? :eek: )

I was disappointed that he didn't hold out longer...he has to know they are going to kill him anyway as soon as he does what they want.Though they didn't, so that logic didn't really hold here. :D

A couple things that had me scratching my head this week:

1. Morris gets a large drill through his shoulder...but can use both hands and arms when working on the laptop? :rolleyes:

2. Morris has this huge hole in his back, yet it stops bleeding all by its self? :rolleyes:

3. Morris gets dunked in tub. Tub water is a light blue? Anyone here ever get blue water in your tub? LOL! Water was crystal clear, with blue tint...but then later, terrorists took the time to drain the tub (???), and now there is a blood ring around it?

4. CTU has a morgue with at least 6-9 drawers. Why? And why does Jack's brother's body need to be brought there?

5. All the years of moles at CTU, but they have nothing in place to block non-CTU issued phones from being used? :mad:

6. Milo and Jack's sister-in-law flee in the van...which crashes through a fence, takes several lefts and rights, but is still in view of Jack when he looks up after the explosion? :confused:

FWIW...

A couple things that had me scratching my head this week:

1. Morris gets a large drill through his shoulder...but can use both hands and arms when working on the laptop? :rolleyes:

I broke my scapula clean down the middle all the way through and it caused no pain and did virtually nothing to limit movement of my arm. I'm sure the circular wound in his skin hurt, and I'm sure it hurt like a bitch when actively drilling, but such an injury would not incapacitate him.

Shove a tampon in the hole and you're good to go. :)

Though they didn't, so that logic didn't really hold here. :D


LOL They were totally going to kill him.

Fayid gave the kill order, but Jack and his shotgun (nice change of weapons there by the way, love the shotgun) showed up first. I'm sorry, there really is no situation where it's OK to give the terrorists the arming device. I'm sure poor Jack is thinking to himself "I held out in China for over a year, and this punk can't last 30 minutes?!?!?!?!" :-)

I realize that in reality Jack would have broken and noone can hold out indefinitely, but this show hold's it's heroes to a higher standard :-)

"Going to kill him" doesn't make him dead. Morris had the choice between dying now (in a very painful way), and maybe dying later. He made the right choice. Even Baltar said to #6 that the key to being human is to only think of yourself. Clearly Morris, along with every other computer whiz, is a BSG fan and took that to heart. ;)

"Going to kill him" doesn't make him dead. Morris had the choice between dying now (in a very painful way), and maybe dying later. He made the right choice. Even Baltar said to #6 that the key to being human is to only think of yourself. Clearly Morris, along with every other computer whiz, is a BSG fan and took that to heart. ;)

If it were just Morris' life I would agree. But tens of thousands of civilians lives...gut it up! Take one for the team! :-)

Jack's incredulous tone: "You gave them something that WORKED!?!?!?!?!" said it all :-)

A couple things that had me scratching my head this week:

3. Morris gets dunked in tub. Tub water is a light blue? Anyone here ever get blue water in your tub? LOL! Water was crystal clear, with blue tint...



The blue tint was from the bath oil beads the terrorists put in the water . . .

Here is my take on 24 and what I tell Family/Friends who have never watched the show. Pick any season, that's right, ANY season and watch it. It's great, you'll love it. Now, do not ever watch another season as it's the same ol' crap.

We're running out of time.
We have no Choice.
<as Jack gets to the destination 20 seconds too late> DAMNIT!!
We need to work better and work faster.

This season is completely ridiculous. When the Bauer Family involvement occurred last week, I lost it. I was going to give another week (this week). Horrible. Chloe has been a mastermind the last few years in figuring out programs/patches that nobody else can from CTU, but she draws a blank ONE time because her boyfriend was taken hostage, and CTU pulls her from her job. Yet, Morris was able to continue his job when he was NOT following Milo's orders.....several times. They are tattle tails at CTU. Like when Milo went to the Director...Chloe is screwing up, she's not doing it right...bla bla bla.

Jack is either yelling on the phone, or whispering when he talks live.

Does CTU have an unlimited amount of Field Agents? How many have died this year, yet the next scene shows several CTU SUVs with the guys "SETTING UP A PERIMETER".

Why does there ALWAYS have to be a mole in CTU, or using someone in CTU for the greater plan of the terrorists? Why is there ALWAYS someone forced to step down at the White House, and many hidden Agendas behind the Presidents back? If you've seen one season, you've seen enough.

Sorry for the rant, but as a long time 24 fan, the last two weeks have frustrated me as I feel the writers are just slapping stuff together.

I agree, but consider that if they changed the formula of "24" it would probably tank. It's dumbed down and recycled for a reason.

I think Morris' actions were reasonable. He knew CTU was surrounding the building and was obviously shocked to see that Fayed had a nuke on him.

Morris was clearly expecting CTU to catch Fayed with the activation device and no nukes inside the building, so he programmed the thing to buy himself time until CTU broke in.

Jack's incredulous tone: "You gave them something that WORKED!?!?!?!?!" said it all :-)
Jack would have programmed it to blow up in 10 minutes.

All electronic devices can be programmed to blow up ;)

I thought it was ridiculous that while Jack was on the phone working with Chloe to stop the bomb timer that the CTU Field team leader HAD to tell him RIGHT THEN that they found out how Fayed had escaped - would have thought anyone near the NUCLEAR bomb would have NOT wanted to distract Jack while doing his thing....

I thought it was ridiculous that while Jack was on the phone working with Chloe to stop the bomb timer that the CTU Field team leader HAD to tell him RIGHT THEN that they found out how Fayed had escaped - would have thought anyone near the NUCLEAR bomb would have NOT wanted to distract Jack while doing his thing....
That was very funny. It was almost like—hey, we’re cool, we can multi task, even if it involves a nuke. :D

I agree, but consider that if they changed the formula of "24" it would probably tank. It's dumbed down and recycled for a reason.


True, and I agree with that. That's basically why I tell people that have never seen 24 to just pick a season and watch it. It doesn't matter which one. For old viewers though, at least to me, it's getting very old.

Maybe next season, there can be some activity in...I don't know...somewhere other than LA!!!!!!!!! If Jack is so bad ass, then send Jack to another location around the country where something is happening. Maybe around the Maryland/DC area. I guess the Terrorists are so star stricken that they always do their work in LA.

Maybe next season, there can be some activity in...I don't know...somewhere other than LA!!!!!!!!! If Jack is so bad ass, then send Jack to another location around the country where something is happening. Maybe around the Maryland/DC area. I guess the Terrorists are so star stricken that they always do their work in LA.

Who knows, maybe Fox is ginning up ideas for follow-on shows a la CSI for 24: CTU - Cleveland or CTU - Northern Virginia.... :D

Actually, I guess I disagree with all points here.

The entire first 60 minutes was totally predictable from the previews where we saw Jack with the bomb.

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STOP watching the previews and the show gets infinitely better...

Jack would have programmed it to blow up in 10 minutes.

All electronic devices can be programmed to blow up ;)

That was so ridiculous last season when they downloaded a program to the guy's flash drive in his Palm Pilot to activate and fry the whole device. Sad, so sad.

Maybe next season, there can be some activity in...I don't know...somewhere other than LA!!!!!!!!! If Jack is so bad ass, then send Jack to another location around the country where something is happening. Maybe around the Maryland/DC area. I guess the Terrorists are so star stricken that they always do their work in LA.
They could make Jack be more like Jason Bourne (definitely more bad ass), and have the show be located outside of America. Moscow in the dead of winter would be a nice change from boring, sunny Los Angeles. Even a dirty, dingy, and rainy New York setting would be nice.

They could make Jack be more like Jason Bourne (definitely more bad ass), and have the show be located outside of America. Moscow in the dead of winter would be a nice change from boring, sunny Los Angeles. Even a dirty, dingy, and rainy New York setting would be nice.


The problems are purely logistical...they have a hard time with the real time format in LA, which is shoot-friendly. The movie will likely be somewhere else.

James Cromwell - I remember him in Babe (1995).
Babe, a pig raised by sheepdogs, learns to herd sheep with a little help from Farmer Hoggett(Cromwell)(from IMDB).

James Cromwell - I remember him in Babe (1995).
Babe, a pig raised by sheepdogs, learns to herd sheep with a little help from Farmer Hoggett(Cromwell)(from IMDB).


LA Confidential and Star Trek: First Contact are the 2 movies I remember him for most .

They could make Jack be more like Jason Bourne (definitely more bad ass), and have the show be located outside of America. Moscow in the dead of winter would be a nice change from boring, sunny Los Angeles. Even a dirty, dingy, and rainy New York setting would be nice.

CBS already has that show, it's called The Unit :D

STOP watching the previews and the show gets infinitely better...


Agreed. TV is much better without previews and commercials!
:)

Agreed. TV is much better without previews and commercials!
:)

WIth this show I'd have to agree, but I'd get spoilerized here anyway if I stopped watching them.

I hope the season picks up once Logan is back.

Is this true ? I haven't heard anything about Logan coming back! Is this a spoiler or just conjecture on your part ?

As for last night's show, why would Milo be out in the field, he's not a field agent, he's a tech like Chloe.

I still want to know how Morris can be literally drilled in the shoulder blade, yet use a laptop within a minute, then within the hour he's able to sit confortably back in his chair in the recovery room, and finally able to walk confortably from the recovery room back to his station. Either he has remarkable healing powers or he is one tough Brit.

Anyone find it strange that there was not one Secret Service agent in the same room with the President when the former Terrorist was in there talking to him, without any cuffs on ? "Eh, you turned out to be such a nice fella, I can trust ya. No need to remember all those people you've killed over that past 20 or so years."

Anyone find it strange that there was not one Secret Service agent in the same room with the President when the former Terrorist was in there talking to him, without any cuffs on ? "Eh, you turned out to be such a nice fella, I can trust ya. No need to remember all those people you've killed over that past 20 or so years."

Actually, I'm pretty sure there was. The camera panned over to a guy with a gun in a side holster if I remember correctly.

As for last night's show, why would Milo be out in the field, he's not a field agent, he's a tech like Chloe.



I got the impression he did have field agent experience. He recognized the situation he was in and took immediate evasive action. He handled that truck pretty well (well, until it hit the cinder block wall) and knew what the contents of the truck were for. Boom!!! :D

Actually, I'm pretty sure there was. The camera panned over to a guy with a gun in a side holster if I remember correctly.
Correct. They made a point to show the agent shadowing Assad along the wall when he got up to walk around.

I still want to know how Morris can be literally drilled in the shoulder blade, yet use a laptop within a minute, then within the hour he's able to sit confortably back in his chair in the recovery room, and finally able to walk confortably from the recovery room back to his station. Either he has remarkable healing powers or he is one tough Brit.
As I mentioned earlier, I broke my scapula clean in half with virtually no pain or loss of function.

I've also gotten larger, more ragged, bloodier wounds than a 1/2" hole in a piece of skin and can assure you that I would have have been able to work a laptop with a gun at my head ;)

Did I understand that Marwan, I mean Fayed, slipped through CTU's fingers in a helicopter? Flying around L.A.? When all civilian flights have been grounded? And they lost him? Wouldn't this be something those satellites would have picked up?

And why did they need Chloe to techobabble the building's fire alarm on when you can just go into the building and pull it manually? And why didn't any of the 200 people in the building hear any screaming coming from the room with all the spooky foreigners wearing black? From the six floor, someone in the neighborhood could have heard him through the window.

Unless I missed some things, this episode had more holes than usual.

Did I understand that Marwan, I mean Fayed, slipped through CTU's fingers in a helicopter? Flying around L.A.? When all civilian flights have been grounded? And they lost him? Wouldn't this be something those satellites would have picked up?

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They were disguised as a medivac chopper and were given clearance to fly.

They were disguised as a medivac chopper and were given clearance to fly.
Just as likely they were using some sort of Klingon stealth technology so they couldn't be seen or heard. :p

They were disguised as a medivac chopper and were given clearance to fly.
So when they figured out it was Marwan, dammit Fayed, in the chopper, why weren't they able to track it by satellite or radar or Caltran cameras?

Traffic cameras don't point at the sky, and you can't track a chopper flying at low altitude in a metropolitan area on radar easily, if at all.