24 on FOX - Day 6 - NO SPOILERS

[mylan]

3. Morris gets dunked in tub. Tub water is a light blue? Anyone here ever get blue water in your tub? LOL! Water was crystal clear, with blue tint...but then later, terrorists took the time to drain the tub (???), and now there is a blood ring around it?

Yep, I have seen blue water. In our old house we had copper pipe and had well water. In our area, the water is highly acidic and would react with the copper to form a copper oxide that created a blue haze on the fiberglass shower and would give you a nice blue-ish tint bath water. I still cannot see why they would take the time to drain it though.

[Iteki]

Just as likely they were using some sort of Klingon stealth technology so they couldn't be seen or heard. :p

The medivac explanation is what CTU told Jack...not making it up lol

[Steve Schauer]

I thought it was a great episode. They need to keep cranking up the subplots and this will be a great season.

I just hope to god there aren't any mountain lions at the grandkid's hotel.

[mbird]

Hey guys! I've been earnestly watching 24 the last couple years. It's been a guilty pleasure that I kind of compulsively watch, but thus far I'm rather disappointed with this season.

The inconsistencies and convenient plot changes are really starting to bug me. Here's a few points I jotted down just for last night's episode. First, the plot involving the president and his staff is just annoying and unoriginal. A president should know to create an administration that will never work behind his back. While it was nice to see Powers Boothe (as the awesome Cy Tolliver in Deadwood), I realized how stupid it was that Palmer would choose a VP and staff who desire their own power - arguably, the only good thing about Bush choosing Cheney as VP is that Cheney would never want to be president; he's a king maker who serves Bush.

Second, Palmer's sister has to go ... her little subplot concerning the rights of americans is important, but ultimately grating and irritating for this kind of entertainment. Third, the plot involving Jack's family is ridiculous! I mean, what kind of agents would leave Graem unsupervised for five minutes with his father, only to next hear that Graem has just died - not suspicious indeed :rolleyes: . CTU should also know to keep any suspects, which the dad is, under guard. And what kind of mom would agree to let her son leave a guarded underground bunker and kill a whole CTU team to boot??

Anyways, I probably just need to take a shower and chill. I'll still watch 24 because it's a guilty pleasure, but I am not really impresssed.

For those of you who were also having qualms with the sound quality and HD on 24 - or viewers who appreciate good TV - I recommend watching Rome if you have HBO. While not without its faults, it really is a great TV show that's woefully underrated. Besides, the HD picture quality and sound editing are astounding. :D

[Cubfan]

Pure speculation, but I'm betting I'm right. Wonder how long until we learn that the boy is actually Jack's son?

Oh, and Palmer's brother is a TERRIBLE actor. Whenever he's preaching, he does that intense-whisper tone. Blech. Some of the worst acting ever in this season. Melodramatic garbage dialogue. Did they decide to pay the writers less?

[keenan]

The medivac explanation is what CTU told Jack...not making it up lol
:p :D

[taxman48]

was that a Craftsman drill that they used on Morris? No reverse used on that bit also...pure torture.. local papeers say that Jack raised the bar on torture..

[CobraKai]

I admit this season ahs been lackluster, but keep in mind 24 always has a lull and comes on hard at the end. I have lost confidence & muttered "jumped the shark" more than once, only to be on the edge of my seat for hours 18 to 24.
Now, more than a few have mentioned being tired of the "mole in 24". It has only happened ONCE. Gael was working in secret with jack and the guy from last year was working on direct orders from the president. Plenty to nitpick but this is not one of them.

[ricwhite]

I still want to know how Morris can be literally drilled in the shoulder blade, yet use a laptop within a minute, then within the hour he's able to sit confortably back in his chair in the recovery room, and finally able to walk confortably from the recovery room back to his station. Either he has remarkable healing powers or he is one tough Brit.



I guess you weren't watching closely. Before the drilling, Morris was slammed several times with a baseball bat to the body and head which caused severe nerve damage which prohibited nerve impulses of pain to register from various parts of the body including his back where he was drilled. In other words, he was "numbed" from feeling pain -- a rather odd side benefit of being beaten so badly.

[Iteki]

I admit this season ahs been lackluster, but keep in mind 24 always has a lull and comes on hard at the end. I have lost confidence & muttered "jumped the shark" more than once, only to be on the edge of my seat for hours 18 to 24.
Now, more than a few have mentioned being tired of the "mole in 24". It has only happened ONCE. Gael was working in secret with jack and the guy from last year was working on direct orders from the president. Plenty to nitpick but this is not one of them.

Nina in Season 1
Aisha Tyler in Season 2 (or was it 3?)
Last year the weasel at CTU (technically he was Homeland, but they had taken over CTU by then) who called the Pres and helped the evidence go away.



Those are just off the top of my head, I'm sure there are more.

[kizzo]

Great episodes..

Looks like they are planning the removal of President Palmer..

[HDTVFanAtic]

Little frustrated in this episode.

Why would they signal a fire alarm in the apartment building. They have the heat signatures, they have equipment to do this going down a hallway. When they see the one room that has like 20 people in it, pretty sure that is going to be the one. Not to many apartments out there have a whole gang of people hiding in them.


You mean the same heat signature that they didn't see a man sliding down an emergency escape route from?


Also, why was Jack so nervous to flip a dip switch? Why did he have to be so careful to just push the dipstick. He acted like he didn't need to touch anything else, it didn't matter if he did, just push the stupid dip switch down, there problem over. He wasn't sticking his screwdriver into a ton of sensitive wires, its a dip switch.

Because if you observe, he wasn't flipping the dip switches Chloe was calling out?

Or the fact he didn't reset the first 2 dip switches that were wrong?



So this great and smart Milo couldn't do something to the device to make it work once and then say require a scrambled code for the next one? Seems he could of done something seeing as how he is portrayed as being this brilliant person. Kind of lame.


You mean the guy who can intercept terrorist leaders cellphone calls from anywhere in LA, but can't pick up Jack's dad's cellphone conversation with the same names from inside CTU?


Oh, and big surprise, the bad guy got away at the last second, good thing bad guys always know how to escape at the last second. That is getting SO old.

No wonder Jack's getting his butt kicked in the ratings.


"Idol" crushes the competition

"American Idol" contestants may dream of winning a Grammy, but the Grammy Awards show on CBS was only the #6 show in the weekly Nielsen ratings last week, while two nights of "Idol" on Fox claimed the #1 and #2 spots. "House" was #4, giving Fox three of the top four shows. Fox handily won the big money 18-49 demo, followed by CBS, ABC, NBC, Univision, CW, Telemundo, TeleFutura and a tie of Ion and Azteca America. CBS still managed to win in Households with a rating of 8.8 and a 14 share. Fox was next at 7.0/11, followed by ABC 6.4/10, NBC 5.7/9, CW and Univision tied at 2.2/3, Telemundo and Ion tied at 0.5/1, TeleFutura 0.4/1 and Azteca America 0.2/0.

Here are the top 20 shows for the week.

Nielsen Television Index Ranking Report

Network primetime (Live + SD) week of 02/05/07 - 02/11/07


Here are the top 20 shows for the week.


Rank Program Network Rating Share Audience(000)

1 AMERICAN IDOL-TUESDAY FOX 18.4 27 33356
2 AMERICAN IDOL-WEDNESDAY FOX 15.9 23 27909
3 GREY'S ANATOMY-THU 9PM ABC 15.2 22 25197
4 HOUSE FOX 14.4 21 24877
5 CSI CBS 13.8 20 22522
6 GRAMMY AWARDS(S) CBS 12.1 19 20058
7 CSI: MIAMI CBS 11.9 19 18427
8 DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES ABC 11.2 16 18101
8 TWO AND A HALF MEN CBS 11.2 16 17681
10 DEAL OR NO DEAL-MON NBC 10.8 16 17413
11 CRIMINAL MINDS CBS 10.5 15 16274
12 NCIS CBS 10.2 15 16162
13 CSI: NY CBS 9.7 15 14972
13 RULES OF ENGAGEMENT CBS 9.7 14 14835
13 SURVIVOR: FIJI CBS 9.7 15 16441
16 60 MINUTES CBS 9.4 15 14118
17 EXTREME MAKEOVER:HOME ED. ABC 9.3 14 16931
17 SHARK CBS 9.3 15 14531
19 LAW AND ORDER:SVU NBC 9.0 15 13452
19 UGLY BETTY ABC 9.0 14 14275



Source: Nielsen Media Research


http://www.rbr.com/tvepaper/pages/february07/07-31_ratings1.html

[LL3HD]

You mean the same heat signature that they didn't see a man sliding down an emergency escape route
That does sound kind of funny but if you recall, they did say that the “heat signature information” was on a five minute delay. Regardless, I’m not trying to defend the imperfections in this show.

I learned long ago to check my brain at the door when entering a theater to be entertained (I just have to remember to pick it up after viewing but that’s another story). The bottom line for me is whether I’m entertained for the duration of an episode, and I am. It’s like reading a comic book not a Thomas Pynchon novel.

After the episode, all of the illogical unrealistic situations come to mind and reading them here makes them sound even funnier but as I said, if I’m enjoying the show while watching it then I don’t mind the flaws.

[NorthJersey]

I guess you weren't watching closely. Before the drilling, Morris was slammed several times with a baseball bat to the body and head which caused severe nerve damage which prohibited nerve impulses of pain to register from various parts of the body including his back where he was drilled. In other words, he was "numbed" from feeling pain -- a rather odd side benefit of being beaten so badly.

but the numbing allowed him to use the laptop in the apartment ?

[scanpa]

People on 24 have amazing recuperation abilities. Just look at Jack.

in less then 8 Hours, he has recovered from 2 years of torture and imprisonment in China, stabbed in the shoulder, a fine wire jabbed into his spinal cord, slapped, knocked to the ground, pistol whipped. ect.

Morris was drilled in 2 places with a large bit. He was beatup with a baseball bat, pistol whipped ect. and recovered to do some computer programming in less then 10 Min..

:)

reality has left the bldg!

:)

[cjghome]

My DVR cut off the preview for next week..

Anyone have a link for next week preview.

I can't find a preview on Fox's web site

Thanks...

Charlie

[dmo580]

Hey, I'm noticing that I'm getting rougly 16 - 17 mbps bitrate for my 24 recordings. My recordings are coming out to be 4.7 GiB or so after commercial stripping (42 - 43 min long). I get Comcast cable and I'm using a QAM tuner (DVICO Fusion5 RT Gold). This is odd because I get 10 - 11 for my Grey's Anatomy and Lost, and that's what I expected. I don't know why Fox/Comcast is offering me this high bitrate for 24. I'm only complaining because I cant fit my recordings onto a DVD while my other shows fit perfectly fine (Heroes is another exception because 1080i runs at even a higher bitrate), but I was expecting my 720p recordings to fit!

[keenan]

Hey, I'm noticing that I'm getting rougly 16 - 17 mbps bitrate for my 24 recordings. My recordings are coming out to be 4.7 GiB or so after commercial stripping (42 - 43 min long). I get Comcast cable and I'm using a QAM tuner (DVICO Fusion5 RT Gold). This is odd because I get 10 - 11 for my Grey's Anatomy and Lost, and that's what I expected. I don't know why Fox/Comcast is offering me this high bitrate for 24. I'm only complaining because I cant fit my recordings onto a DVD while my other shows fit perfectly fine (Heroes is another exception because 1080i runs at even a higher bitrate), but I was expecting my 720p recordings to fit!
I'm pretty sure KTVU(FOX) runs at 15.5 mb/s, in fact, I think all FOX stations run at 15.5, it's set at the network level.

[ridgefamus]

My DVR cut off the preview for next week..

Anyone have a link for next week preview.

I can't find a preview on Fox's web site

Thanks...

Charlie

And after you suffer through the withdrawal period, you can become a purist like some of the rest of us. Better surprises ahead!

Never ... watch ... previews .... Avoid ... preview ... posts .... :D

[cjghome]

And after you suffer through the withdrawal period, you can become a purist like some of the rest of us. Better surprises ahead!

Never ... watch ... previews .... Avoid ... preview ... posts .... :D

AAAAAARRRRGgGG...

Need a preview FIX....

Help me...Please

Charlie

[LL3HD]

AAAAAARRRRGgGG...

Need a preview FIX....

Help me...Please

CharlieOk, here’s a preview of next weeks episode…

People get killed, something explodes,
some people get from one location to another at light speed while others heal rather quickly.

A dysfunctional family gets more dysfunctional.

And people in the government disagree big time.

Damn, I should have warned those that don't watch previews (like me) for spoilers.

[Iteki]

Ok, here’s a preview of next weeks episode…

People get killed, something explodes,
some people get from one location to another at light speed while others heal rather quickly.

A dysfunctional family gets more dysfunctional.

And people in the government disagree big time.

Damn, I should have warned those that don't watch previews (like me) for spoilers.

One thing that's been missing this season is the Random Family Emergency in Mid Crisis (RFEMC). Children being sick, addict brothers/sisters dropping by CTU, etc. Egdar's mom dying in the radiation zone....I can't wait to see what they come up with this year. :-)

[mds54]

Okay, despite the "suspension of belief" required for this show, I'll still watch it, for now.
But sometimes it's just the little things......
In the White House: the hand-crumpling of the resignation letter when told to "tear it up"......Don't you really think that any potentially implicating top-level document like that is gonna be SHREDDED instead!!! Geeze....

[JCL]

My DVR cut off the preview for next week..

Anyone have a link for next week preview.

I can't find a preview on Fox's web site

Thanks...

Charlie

www.24fans.net (use at your own risk)

[HDTVFanAtic]

That does sound kind of funny but if you recall, they did say that the “heat signature information” was on a five minute delay. Regardless, I’m not trying to defend the imperfections in this show.

Not the hand held unit they were using outside which all swat teams use and has been used on 24 in the past.

[kucharsk]

Okay, despite the "suspension of belief" required for this show, I'll still watch it, for now.
But sometimes it's just the little things......
In the White House: the hand-crumpling of the resignation letter when told to "tear it up"......Don't you really think that any potentially implicating top-level document like that is gonna be SHREDDED instead!!! Geeze....Not if it's something someone needs to find in a future episode. :D

[HDTVFanAtic]

Hey, I'm noticing that I'm getting rougly 16 - 17 mbps bitrate for my 24 recordings. My recordings are coming out to be 4.7 GiB or so after commercial stripping (42 - 43 min long). I get Comcast cable and I'm using a QAM tuner (DVICO Fusion5 RT Gold). This is odd because I get 10 - 11 for my Grey's Anatomy and Lost, and that's what I expected. I don't know why Fox/Comcast is offering me this high bitrate for 24. I'm only complaining because I cant fit my recordings onto a DVD while my other shows fit perfectly fine (Heroes is another exception because 1080i runs at even a higher bitrate), but I was expecting my 720p recordings to fit!


If your bitrate WAS REALLY 16-17mbps for 24 (considering there is only 43 minutes of content) you would be around 6.0GB of data.

As you are coming out at 4.7GB, you are only getting around 12-13Mbps tops.

[SbWillie]

thanks FOx for making it pointless to watch next week due to giving away the whole episode in the preview..



Should we have a `worst season?' poll?

THis season would win in a landslide!

[lax01]

thanks FOx for making it pointless to watch next week due to giving away the whole episode in the preview..


STOP WATCHING PREVIEWS

[SbWillie]

Fox had announced it was changing the previews so that the previews wouldn't reveal as much....hence my statement.

[fhall1]

Because if you observe, he wasn't flipping the dip switches Chloe was calling out?

Or the fact he didn't reset the first 2 dip switches that were wrong?


He did reset the "one" switch that was wrong....he initially flipped 3 and 4, then Chloe told him it should have been 4 and 5....he reset 3 and then had a hard time flipping 5

[rockytt]

Hey, I'm noticing that I'm getting rougly 16 - 17 mbps bitrate for my 24 recordings
Fox transmits at 720p which is a lower bitrate than 1080i...

[NorthJersey]

One thing that's been missing this season is the Random Family Emergency in Mid Crisis (RFEMC). Children being sick, addict brothers/sisters dropping by CTU, etc. Egdar's mom dying in the radiation zone....I can't wait to see what they come up with this year. :-)

I think Chloe's husband Morris being kidnapped and tortured can be placed into this category

[Iteki]

I think Chloe's husband Morris being kidnapped and tortured can be placed into this category

Not random enough to qualify.

I'm talking about the 'Chase's babysitter drops off his baby at work', 'CTU chiefs bipolar daughter is brought to CTU for observation and FRICKING KILLS HERSELF.', 'CTU bigwig's junkie sister has him ripped off for his keycard' randomness. :-)

[giedrys]

Something bad happened to the show after season 4. S5 had some serious signs of weakness. Season 6 is even worse (so far). What's next? Bad ending for one of the best TV shows ever?

[lax01]

Something bad happened to the show after season 4. S5 had some serious signs of weakness. Season 6 is even worse (so far). What's next? Bad ending for one of the best TV shows ever?

*cough* Alias

24 should have ended at Season 5...I think thats pretty much the longest than writers can keep a show like this going....you just can't have a show with story-arcs run longer than that (i.e.: The X-Files had self-contained episodes for a long time, it ended after they started to do more story-arcs)

[mds54]

STOP WATCHING PREVIEWS

I never have and never will....for any show that I already know I'm gonna watch.
Why would anybody do that?

[vurbano]

Fox transmits at 720p which is a lower bitrate than 1080i...
The 1080i network bitrates depend on the affiliate transmitting the signal and how many SD subchannels it has.. Many affiliates will transmit 1080i below 16mbps. PBS for instance in my area has 1 HD and 3 SD subchannels. I guarantee you that HD channel in less than 16 mbps.

[NorthJersey]

*cough* Alias

24 should have ended at Season 5...I think thats pretty much the longest than writers can keep a show like this going....you just can't have a show with story-arcs run longer than that (i.e.: The X-Files had self-contained episodes for a long time, it ended after they started to do more story-arcs)

I think the writers even agree, but they are afraid that once they announce they're ending the show, Jack Bauer will end up at their doorstep, and torture them in various ways until they change their mind :D

[hondo21]

I never have and never will....for any show that I already know I'm gonna watch.
Why would anybody do that?Oh, maybe because we can enjoy a show and it's surprises more when we don't they're coming?

I've watched the previews on occasions in the past and found that I didn't enjoy knowing certain details ahead of time.

Why would anybody not understand that?

[CANNON-FODDER]

I think you are in agreement and mds54 meant that he never watched them for the shows he watches regularly, or plans to.

v/r,
C-F

[SbWillie]

I never have and never will....for any show that I already know I'm gonna watch.
Why would anybody do that?
my wife begs me to not change the channel..does it really matter? keifer has 2 years left on his contract to being with! :rolleyes:

[mds54]

I think you are in agreement and mds54 meant that he never watched them for the shows he watches regularly, or plans to.
C-F

Yep, that's exactly what I meant!
I'm not really sure where hondo21 is coming from.....

Anyway, I'm not trying to start anything here....I just know that I don't want to see
any previews before I watch the show. It's the same thing as a spoiler, IMO.

[cjghome]

Some shows....

Like... Smallville...does a good job miss leading us with the previews.. They "Tease" us with previews giving us the impression of something is going to happen and then watching the episode it wasn't anything like the preview...

It just so happens 24 does a piss poor job on their previews...

So..in closing, watching the preview does not cause....blindness, impotency, cancer, acne, STD's, War.....

So let's talk about something more important....

Like Kim Bauer coming back on the show and wearing a wet white tank top...being chase by a Mountain Lion (in slow motion)....

Peace & Love
Charlie

[hondo21]

Yep, that's exactly what I meant!
I'm not really sure where hondo21 is coming from.....

Anyway, I'm not trying to start anything here....I just know that I don't want to see
any previews before I watch the show. It's the same thing as a spoiler, IMO.Sorry, my bad. We're in complete agreement.

I read your post where you responded to "Stop watching previews" with "I never have and I never will" to mean you never have stopped watching them.

Sort of a stupid conclusion on my part now that I read it in less haste and think about it. Please excuse me and carry on ....

[lax01]

my wife begs me to not change the channel..does it really matter? keifer has 2 years left on his contract to being with! :rolleyes:

this was probably the biggest mistake to announce that so publicly...totally takes all the tension out of the show...*Jack gets in a tough situation, thought that Jack might die, "Oh wait, he's got a contract till 2009, no way he can die now"

Its stupid

[archiguy]

this was probably the biggest mistake to announce that so publicly...totally takes all the tension out of the show...*Jack gets in a tough situation, thought that Jack might die, "Oh wait, he's got a contract till 2009, no way he can die now"

Its stupid

Don't forget that they started giving the Kiefster an Executive Producer credit a few years ago (since he is the show, basically). His contract probably pertains more to that than to his appearing on the show as an actor. He gets paid either way, whether he's in front of the camera or not.

But they obviously won't kill off Jack Bauer in any case. He can't be killed; he's the one indispensable character, and the one thread of continuity that runs through the show (since we have yet to see super-secret-service-agent Aaron Pierce this season).

[rsambuca]

So let's talk about something more important....

Like Kim Bauer coming back on the show and wearing a wet white tank top...being chase by a Mountain Lion (in slow motion)....

Peace & Love
Charlie
I think that last part was from your dream last night :cool:

[Steve Schauer]

But they obviously won't kill off Jack Bauer in any case. He can't be killed; he's the one indispensable character, and the one thread of continuity that runs through the show (since we have yet to see super-secret-service-agent Aaron Pierce this season).
I saw a pre-season interview with the cast ( including an upcoming guest star that I won't mention in case you don't want to know in advance [no it's not Ryan Seacrest] ) ,and Kiefer was pretty adamant that the show could go on without him. He said the writers have built a premise that absolutely could be replicated without Jack Bauer in the driver's seat. The other cast members were pretty adamant that it could not.

[Mike4HDTV]

Another good episode. Jack increased his body count by 2 tonight.

Nice suprise ending.

[TheShackMan]

What the heck was up with the Hussien Beard on Logan?

[lax01]

I never thought I'd be excited to see Logan again...wow...

seriously, when Jack kills people, the show gets ultimately better...

[tluxon]

What the heck was up with the Hussien Beard on Logan?Beard or no beard, interesting twist to bring him back! Perhaps he's going to feel he owes Jack one this time around.

[kucharsk]

Beard or no beard, interesting twist to bring him back! Perhaps he's going to feel he owes Jack one this time around.On what basis? If it weren't for Jack, the man would still be President of the United States.

Being driven from office is hardly something one would feel they owe someone for.

If anything he would do it for Jack's Dad, now that we know he was behind most everything that happened in S4.

Frankly I think we'll see weasel Logan try to convince Jack his Dad was responsible for everything, including the decision to hand him over to the Chinese.

[SbWillie]

who would win in a fight between Bauer and Norris?After all neither can die! :rolleyes:

Either way last night is my last episode til the finale!

THis season topped all the previous seasons in regards to stupidity!

[Iteki]

I never thought I'd be excited to see Logan again...wow...

seriously, when Jack kills people, the show gets ultimately better...

Yeah, I was excited to see him back too. Now they need crazy wifey with her man-whore Secret Service Agent Aaron :-)

[NorthJersey]

I thought last night's episode was pretty good, but I'm surprised that there isn't a lot of chatter in this thread.

As for the post I made last week, replying to the person who mentioned about Logan returning, how did he know that Logan would be returning ? That was a spoiler if I ever saw one

[LL3HD]

I hope the season picks up once Logan is back. He could make things a bit more interesting..Correct NorthJersey, this was a spoiler.
Why was it left in this thread?

[Iteki]

Correct NorthJersey, this was a spoiler.
Why was it left in this thread?

I knew that it was true, but I didn't say anything because I didn't want to confirm it for everyone and spoil it for sure.

EDIT: It was widely reported in all the media buildup to the show, the OP probably thought everyone knew.

[NorthJersey]

I sure hope that the Secret Service agent is going to investigate the call that Tom made to him. Considering that the SS does, the fact that someone calls on their behalf to cancel a meeting doesn't negate the fact that the issue shouldn't at least get a look. But knowing the writers, the SS agent will just man his post and won't do anything about it.

And how did Gregenko (sp?) and his crew get out of their house so quickly, and where did they go ? Funny, there was no mention of the british guy and his annoying (though hot) girlfriend. I don't remember seeing Fayed either.

[Iteki]

I sure hope that the Secret Service agent is going to investigate the call that Tom made to him. Considering that the SS does, the fact that someone calls on their behalf to cancel a meeting doesn't negate the fact that the issue shouldn't at least get a look. But knowing the writers, the SS agent will just man his post and won't do anything about it.

And how did Gregenko (sp?) and his crew get out of their house so quickly, and where did they go ? Funny, there was no mention of the british guy and his annoying (though hot) girlfriend. I don't remember seeing Fayed either.

British guy is dead, hot girlfriend killed him. And hot girlfriend is dead, Fayed killed her.

[Steve Schauer]

:confused: I've lost track of what it is that Jack's dad is trying to accomplish. :confused:

[John Chu]

Hey baby, put this bulletproof vest on. If you need help buttoning it up, I'm right here.

Hilarious.

I wonder what happened to Audrey Raines?

[Brainodo]

I wonder what happened to Audrey Raines?

When he was released from the Chinese, Jack asked Bill not to let Audrey or Kim know that he was back/alive.

[Iteki]

:confused: I've lost track of what it is that Jack's dad is trying to accomplish. :confused:

He's trying to coverup his personal involvement in Palmer's assasination and the chaos of last season. The Russian blackmailed him into diverting nukes, which he thought the Russians would use in the future in order to bring back a Soviet State. Unfortunately they are working with the terrorists to strike at the US. He's trying to cover up his involvement with that too.

I don't see why he is bothering, his secret is pretty much out now. Is there more?

[Steve Schauer]

I'm having trouble following his motivations. He wanted to blow Jack up so he used the grandkid as a hostage to force the daughter-in-law to lead Jack to his death. Other than being a mean SOB and poor parent role-model, why was it important for him to get Jack dead? And then he lets Jack go and vanishes. :confused:

[NorthJersey]

British guy is dead, hot girlfriend killed him. And hot girlfriend is dead, Fayed killed her.

man, I totally forgot about that last week, the episode where Morris was saved after giving Fayed the nuke codes. thanks

[jpco]

I'm having trouble following his motivations. He wanted to blow Jack up so he used the grandkid as a hostage to force the daughter-in-law to lead Jack to his death. Other than being a mean SOB and poor parent role-model, why was it important for him to get Jack dead? And then he lets Jack go and vanishes. :confused:

It all really does seem pointless after everything that's happened. There is no legacy or chance to become a legitimate member of society again. Then he decides not to kill Jack when he has the chance. I know we have to suspend disbelief for 24, but this season has been contrived beyond reason.

Why do the Russians want to target U.S. cities with nukes?

[roscoe1972]

"The talking assassin" is a movie cliche where the killer talks just long enough to give the hero a chance to escape.

I found it hilarious when Jack's father allowed Jack to give his heartfelt speech before executing him.

Do you think his dad was going to leave the whole time, or got too teary-eyed.

[EmptyPocketsCarl]

Why do the Russians want to target U.S. cities with nukes?

I think the only thing we've heard so far is due to holding a grudge over losing the cold war.

Or, putting my smartass hat on....

It beats targeting U.S. farmland!

[coug7669]

He's trying to coverup his personal involvement in Palmer's assasination and the chaos of last season. The Russian blackmailed him into diverting nukes, which he thought the Russians would use in the future in order to bring back a Soviet State. Unfortunately they are working with the terrorists to strike at the US. He's trying to cover up his involvement with that too.

I don't see why he is bothering, his secret is pretty much out now. Is there more?


Except that only his family and his captured agent know the truth. The government and ctu know nothing at this point.

[lax01]

:confused: I've lost track of what it is that Jack's dad is trying to accomplish. :confused:

you paying attention? He's trying to find the nukes....he's a patriot, not a terrorism

[bpade]

"The talking assassin" is a movie cliche where the killer talks just long enough to give the hero a chance to escape.

I found it hilarious when Jack's father allowed Jack to give his heartfelt speech before executing him.

Do you think his dad was going to leave the whole time, or got too teary-eyed.

It's called monologueing. If you had a 3 year old who made you watch The Incredibles 3235 times, you'd know that. ;)

[StinDaWg]

This is my 1st season watching the show. Could someone tell me who Landon is and what the background is between him and Jack? Why does his Dad tell him to call Landon after he disappears? Thanks.

[jonnythan]

It's Logan. He's the former President who conspired with terrorists in season 5.

Read more about him here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Logan_%2824_character%29

[jpco]

Except that only his family and his captured agent know the truth. The government and ctu know nothing at this point.

His captured bodyguard seems ready to cooperate however needed. Besides, wasn't Milo there when Marilyn told Jack that they were his dad's people?

[T_Bro]

who would win in a fight between Bauer and Norris?After all neither can die! :rolleyes:

Either way last night is my last episode til the finale!

THis season topped all the previous seasons in regards to stupidity!

Don't let the door hit you in the rear on the way out....

So far another great season on 24. :)

[Iteki]

Except that only his family and his captured agent know the truth. The government and ctu know nothing at this point.

Nah, his sister-in-law admitted it in front of Milo. He's had to have said something about it by now to SOMEONE. right? :-)

[jonnythan]

Milo was 30 feet away looking after a gunshot wound and keeping an eye on the guy who shot him when she said that to Jack. Jack called Buchanan and said "it's personal" without telling anyone that his father is involved.

As of right now, Jack and Marilyn are the only people who know.

[Iteki]

Milo was 30 feet away looking after a gunshot wound and keeping an eye on the guy who shot him when she said that to Jack. Jack called Buchanan and said "it's personal" without telling anyone that his father is involved.

As of right now, Jack and Marilyn are the only people who know.

Um, no it was more like 15feet...and she shouted it at the top of her lungs?

[WS65711]

As of right now, Jack and Marilyn are the only people who know.

I'd have to say that the son must have a pretty good idea also . . .

[noleintheburg]

Bringing Logan back is genius....it gives him a shot at either redemption, or a chance to get back at the man who brought him down, Jack...this is where "24" shines cause until the moment of truth (and maybe even after) you just won't know for sure.

Jack's sis in law is hot.....

I also think Jack's father realized that it was over for him and his company, and that he is helping Jack because he is his son.....although dude must text really fast.

[Viventis]

On what basis? If it weren't for Jack, the man would still be President of the United States.

Being driven from office is hardly something one would feel they owe someone for.

If anything he would do it for Jack's Dad, now that we know he was behind most everything that happened in S4.

Frankly I think we'll see weasel Logan try to convince Jack his Dad was responsible for everything, including the decision to hand him over to the Chinese.

I wonder what Jack knows about what happened to Logan after the final hour of last season. Jack was a guest of the Chinese moments later and hasn't had any time to catch up since returning.

[A-Roc29]

Milo was 30 feet away looking after a gunshot wound and keeping an eye on the guy who shot him when she said that to Jack. Jack called Buchanan and said "it's personal" without telling anyone that his father is involved.

As of right now, Jack and Marilyn are the only people who know.


We know that, but Jack's father doesn't. He probably assumes that everbody knows by now.

[Plasmacat]

Why was Jack not killed by daddy? Well Jack found his dad's cell with Logan's number so maybe daddy got message from Logan not to kill Jack.

[igreg]

Kudo's to "24" for actually having a "real" phone number (310-597-3781) on his father's cell phone and not the generic 555 phone number invariably used in televisions and movies. The presence of 555 has a tendency to momentarily break the credibility of the presentations.

In a similar vein, I noticed that "Heroes" actually had a live web site on HRG's business card. The web site is for a paper company.

[rsambuca]

In a similar vein, I noticed that "Heroes" actually had a live web site on HRG's business card. The web site is for a paper company.
There is a hidden link in that site that takes you to a secret login. I couldn't get in. I tried things like Claire, Silar, for the passwords, etc.

[igreg]

There is a hidden link in that site that takes you to a secret login. I couldn't get in. I tried things like Claire, Silar, for the passwords, etc.

For others benefit, here's the web site address on HRG's card:

http://www.primatechpaper.com

Part of the reason I check out the web site is that one evening Conin O'Brien gave out a fictitious web site http://www.hornymanatee.com and was told by NBC legal staff that as a result it had to purchase the domain name.

[kucharsk]

Kudo's to "24" for actually having a "real" phone number (310-597-3781) on his father's cell phone and not the generic 555 phone number invariably used in televisions and movies.

That's the (in)famous 24 fan phone. It's actually the number of a phone owned by the 24 prop department, and has in fact been answered on occasion by crew and cast members while preparing scenes.

[megaman_y]

Then he decides not to kill Jack when he has the chance. I know we have to suspend disbelief for 24, but this season has been contrived beyond reason.

Looks like he let Jack live so he can help him track down the Russian.

This is my 1st season watching the show. Could someone tell me who Landon is and what the background is between him and Jack? Why does his Dad tell him to call Landon after he disappears? Thanks.

Oh snap... you should watch from Season 2 or 3 and work your way up to 5... You missed a whole lot.

[Mike4HDTV]

Okay show tonight. Nothing exciting until the final 2 minutes. 24 needs to pick up the pace.

[kizzo]

Great episode tonight...

At least the President is still alive, but looks to be seriously injured. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. And all the other storylines as well....

[Aliens]

However, they need to steer away from this constant breach of security where every president is either assassinated, miraculously avoids assassination, or is in some way connected to the terrorists - “for the good of the country.” Six seasons, and every president is f**ked! C’mon, where is the diversity and creativity? Beyond that, I can still suspend reality and enjoy the ride.

[CPanther95]

The President was fine in Day 1.

[d2s2]

Okay show tonight. Nothing exciting until the final 2 minutes. 24 needs to pick up the pace.

The 4:00 PM - 5:00 PM hour was not one of the better hours this season. (Suspension of belief moment) Any assassin worth his pay would have knocked off any witness instead of putting duct tape over his mouth and hope that he won't reveal the plot to assassinate the president.

(Another sliding down the batpole moment) Amazing how there's a perfectly fitting black suit for Jack at Logan's retreat - and it takes Jack about five minutes to change while Logan is still wearing his flannel shirt while assembling his wardrobe.

[CPanther95]

... but a very realistic moment when Lennox turned the valve and it didn't result in a pipe burst with steam hitting the assasin square in the face. ;)

[Aliens]

The President was fine in Day 1.
Well, the season's main plot revolves around an assassination attempt on Maryland Senator David Palmer, a candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination and eventual president, on the day of the California primary. Close enough in my book. :)

[lax01]

this show is slipping....seriously

The ease the assassin entered the ultra-secure Presidential bunker was a joke...come on...no bomb sniffing? gimme a break...

Also, when the Chief of Staff goes missing for an 1+ hour, someone's going to send up alarms....that was total BS

Pretty weak episode...

[lax01]

Well, the season's main plot revolves around an assassination attempt on Maryland Senator David Palmer, a candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination and eventual president, on the day of the California primary. Close enough in my book. :)

Maryland?

Lol there is no world outside of California on 24 ;)

[WilliamR]

There was an article in Entertainment Weekly and they talked about how everyone thinks 24 takes place just in Calif. They showed a map of the world and all the locations that were impacted, along with almost a whole season outside calif. It was pretty interesting.

[Aliens]

Episodes 11 & 12 of Season 5 played back-to-back during this same time period last year.

1,143 posts

Eleven episodes have played so far this year.

849 posts

National ratings show 24 as a top 20 show, but down a couple of notches from last year's ratings.

[scowl]

The President was fine in Day 1.
Yeah, once Jack realized he'd just handed future pres Palmer a cell-phone bomb and got rid of it a second before it blew his head off. Then they pretended he had been assassinated for an episode or two. Same "President in Danger" theme.

[kizzo]

However, they need to steer away from this constant breach of security where every president is either assassinated, miraculously avoids assassination, or is in some way connected to the terrorists - “for the good of the country.” Six seasons, and every president is f**ked! C’mon, where is the diversity and creativity? Beyond that, I can still suspend reality and enjoy the ride.

True.. I was hoping this season we would atleast have a President that avoids that. I was thinking he was going to die though, but somehow he manages to stay alive.

[Plasmacat]

What really irked me about this episode was the Chloe/Morris storyline. The - is Morris drunk or not plotline- over and over seriously dragged down the episode. Chloe has not been put to any good use this season and that is a shame because she used to be my favorite character.

Just saw Mary Lynne R??(sp?) in the movie Firewall with Harrison Ford where she goes thru the movie with the same scowl on her face as in 24.

[steverobertson]

I agree Chloe is not being used right this season and I am tired of the relationship with Morris

[Iteki]

I agree Chloe is not being used right this season and I am tired of the relationship with Morris

Morris did some great acting the first time at the liquor store, lots of angst and anguish. But yeah, lets move on.

[Aliens]

...lets move on.
Especially in light of Chloe interrupting Morris during his time of - shall we say - meditation. :)

[jonnythan]

Especially in light of Chloe interrupting Morris during his time of - shall we say - meditation. :)
At least it proved that sometimes CTU employees *do* use bathrooms.

[oleus]

i'm not one of the nitpickers, but this season's really bothering me because i feel like i'm watching reruns of past seasons. nothing new is happening. plus, Wayne Palmer's character has completely changed. he's like an angelic figure now......

[CPanther95]

Maybe I'm alone, but I was actually rooting for the bomb to take him out.

[steverobertson]

Maybe I'm alone, but I was actually rooting for the bomb to take him out.

No your are not alone in that thought

[Aliens]

One thing for sure, Powers Booth would do some serious ass kicking - but I’m not sure it would be for the *right* reasons.

[archiguy]

Maybe I'm alone, but I was actually rooting for the bomb to take him out.

Palmer or Cheney? ;)

[CPanther95]

Implementing Lennox's plan would make for great TV. It would also potentially put Jack in the uncharacteristic position of being the more "reasonable" voice among those trying to do whatever's necessary to get things done.

[ridgefamus]

Especially in light of Chloe interrupting Morris during his time of - shall we say - meditation. :)

I think Chloe will be inactivated for a period when it comes to light she didn't alert the Highway Patrol to clear a corridor for Jack and the former pres. - at least until Jack demands her help later on.

[LL3HD]

Palmer or Cheney? ;)Wow, :rolleyes:
I think you've clicked on the wrong Forum, as usual.

Maybe you can try the Huffington Post. You’ll be very comfortable there with similar sediment, I mean sentiment. ;)

[lexluthor]

Anyone notice TCPMP running on Morris' Palm?

Maybe he watches movies while "going to the bathroom".

[hondo21]

Maybe I'm alone, but I was actually rooting for the bomb to take him out.Maybe now we won't have to hear him whispering for a few episodes. Everybody else is talking in normal tones and he whispers all the time.

I'll be watching the show online next week if this Sinclair-Comcast deal doesn't get done.

[Stryker412]

And yet again Jack has to go rogue into a foreign embassy. :rolleyes:

[WirelessGuru]

i'm not one of the nitpickers, but this season's really bothering me because i feel like i'm watching reruns of past seasons. nothing new is happening. plus, Wayne Palmer's character has completely changed. he's like an angelic figure now......Yeah, the last couple episodes have been really slow and somewhat pointless.

[Iteki]

Maybe now we won't have to hear him whispering for a few episodes. Everybody else is talking in normal tones and he whispers all the time.




I think that's the actors way of trying to seem intense and restrained at the same time. It ain't working :-)

[zeroendless]

man, 24 need a serious rewriting and story line..Perhaps cut 24 hours into 2 hours show. It has been terribly bored. What a waste with good casts this season.

[Mr. Hanky]

Is that Russian guy the same guy who plays the steward in Lord of the Rings: Return of the King? That scowl looks very familiar!

[lax01]

Is Jack going for another 2 year vacation in Syberia???

I was glad to see that Lennox wasn't a complete moron and had the two arrested....good thing the VP is as stupid as the two morons who blew up Palmer...

[keenan]

You gotta be kidding me, the writers couldn't have come up with a better way for Jack to exit the guy's office?? Oh gosh, let me just walk out the front door, and then I'll call CTU?! Seriously, that has to be one the most ridiculous scenes I've ever seen on 24...

[sangs]

You gotta be kidding me, the writers couldn't have come up with a better way for Jack to exit the guy's office?? Oh gosh, let me just walk out the front door, and then I'll call CTU?! Seriously, that has to be one the most ridiculous scenes I've ever seen on 24...

Amen. And not only that, why the hell doesn't the Russian call CTU while in the room with Jack? The second he left the room I said to my wife, "Well he's going to be shot." A minute later, one to the back of the head.

Wow, what a shocker. :rolleyes:

[Aliens]

Adding to the above comments...when there were 4, 5, or however many armed Russians outside the door, they still needed to use explosives to contain Jack? Also, like our government, the Russians have just as many nefarious individuals working inside their government. Does any government in the world do security checks anymore? I still thought it was one of the best episodes of the season. Finger manicure anyone?

[Iteki]

Amen. And not only that, why the hell doesn't the Russian call CTU while in the room with Jack? The second he left the room I said to my wife, "Well he's going to be shot." A minute later, one to the back of the head.

Wow, what a shocker. :rolleyes:


What I loved about the recycling of the 'invade the foreign consulate' scenario, is that even Logan said "Jack, didn't we do this last season?!?" :-)

[lax01]

You gotta be kidding me, the writers couldn't have come up with a better way for Jack to exit the guy's office?? Oh gosh, let me just walk out the front door, and then I'll call CTU?! Seriously, that has to be one the most ridiculous scenes I've ever seen on 24...

that was just sloppy writing....I can't believe that pulled that in front of all our eyes....

Where was he walking to? Did he forget there was a group of armed men in front of that door?

Stupid stupid stupid...

[HD Kraze]

I thought it was a great episode. I think I'm going to like the Vice President's role too.

[Steve Schauer]

It was classic 24 - one of my favorite episodes of this season.

Sure, as usual, there were a couple of stupid moments, but the high points - Logan working people like the masterful politician he would have to be to get where he got (unlike the second President Palmer) - Jack moving from torture interrogation to reasoned pleading in a matter of minutes - the Palm Treo that can do anything - Lennox betraying the betrayers - the scary vice president taking over - all classic 24!

[jonnythan]

It was classic 24 - one of my favorite episodes of this season.

Sure, as usual, there were a couple of stupid moments, but the high points - Logan working people like the masterful politician he would have to be to get where he got (unlike the second President Palmer) - Jack moving from torture interrogation to reasoned pleading in a matter of minutes - the Palm Treo that can do anything - Lennox betraying the betrayers - the scary vice president taking over - all classic 24!
I totally agree. I *loved* seeing Logan get his politicking on, and I *loved* seeing Tom wrestle with his really tough situation. I can't wait to see what he does with it.

The best scene was the one between Tom and the Vice President. The Vice President is bringing in one of the better dynamics this season and Peter MacNicol is pulling off one of the best acting jobs I've ever seen on the show.

[Steve Schauer]

Man the buzz has definitely dropped off on this show.

[keenan]

that was just sloppy writing....I can't believe that pulled that in front of all our eyes....

Where was he walking to? Did he forget there was a group of armed men in front of that door?

Stupid stupid stupid...
Tim Goodman of the SF Chronicle has a rant on last night's show in the HOTP thread,

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9958361#post9958361
Hot Off The Press! The Latest Television News and Info - AVS Forum

[lax01]

Tim Goodman of the SF Chronicle has a rant on last night's show in the HOTP thread,

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9958361#post9958361
Hot Off The Press! The Latest Television News and Info - AVS Forum

then know this: "24" leapt over an ocean's worth of predators and dorsal fins last night. The whole thing where

LOL!

And I didn't know that was Rob Lowe's brother...it sure does look like him though

. I'm not sure that having Cy Tolliver run the country is going to make me any happier.

LOL

crap just spoiled myself but I honestly don't care anymore....24 is just not good enough to worry about spoilers...

[hondo21]

Does anybody else suspect that maybe the V.P. isn't as clueless about the attempt on the Prez's life as he lets on? Reed noted to Lennox that there were others in high places who were "on board" with what had to be done. The V.P. would seem to be a potential accomplice. Maybe not, but who knows with this show?

[RaveD]

Does anybody else suspect that maybe the V.P. isn't as clueless about the attempt on the Prez's life as he lets on? Reed noted to Lennox that there were others in high places who were "on board" with what had to be done. The V.P. would seem to be a potential accomplice. Maybe not, but who knows with this show?
I'd bet on it. He's evil. Now we just have to see if Tom catches on and does the right thing.

He should have stayed on Numb3rs, it was safer there, and he had a nice girlfriend ;)

[Iteki]

He should have stayed on Numb3rs, it was safer there, and he had a nice girlfriend ;)

Yeah, but she's knocked up :-)

[NetworkTV]

Of course the VP is in on it. This is 24.

[Steve Schauer]

Not only that, he's probably Jack's uncle.

[lax01]

so when does Jack's dad come back into the game???

[NetworkTV]

so when does Jack's dad come back into the game???
Probably toward the end when he'll undoubtably have a sudden change of heart and save Jack from the "bad guy of the hour" at the last minute.

[Aliens]

Not only that, he's probably Jack's uncle.
:D





On his mother's side. :eek:

[Iteki]

Probably toward the end when he'll undoubtably have a sudden change of heart and save Jack from the "bad guy of the hour" at the last minute.

Yeah...explain to me why he'll drug/asphyxiate his other son with no hesitation but he lets Jack live?

Perhaps he figured Jack had a better chance of catching Gredenko than anyone else?

[lax01]

Probably toward the end when he'll undoubtably have a sudden change of heart and save Jack from the "bad guy of the hour" at the last minute.
which they'll spoil in the previews ;)

[NetworkTV]

which they'll spoil in the previews ;)

Of course. ;)

Hmmm, how sad is it that this thread slipped to page 2?

[noleintheburg]

"24" used to be my favorite show, just because it was mindless fun, but this season it just isn't going anywhere, rehashed plots, poor acting......that all being said, it seems this happens every year, then right around eps 12-14, it redeems itself, and we all hang on till the end.

I just dunno about putting all my chips on Ricky Shroeder to save the day.

[Aliens]

24 is now out of the top 20.

How far has 24 fallen? David Spade’s ROE did better. I never cared for David Spade when he was on SNL. Even my dog can’t stomach David Spade.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b315/Deltoid/bathdog.jpg

[lexluthor]

I just dunno about putting all my chips on R............. to save the day.

That's a spoiler. Please use spoiler tags. Thanks!

[CPanther95]

That isn't a spoiler.

And even spoilers in spoiler tags aren't allowed in this thread.

[NorthJersey]

"24" used to be my favorite show, just because it was mindless fun, but this season it just isn't going anywhere, rehashed plots, poor acting......that all being said, it seems this happens every year, then right around eps 12-14, it redeems itself, and we all hang on till the end.

I just dunno about putting all my chips on Ricky Shroeder to save the day.

All I know is, I will definitely stop watching this show if and when they introduce Eric Roberts as a CTU agent!

[lax01]

All I know is, I will definitely stop watching this show if and when they introduce Eric Roberts as a CTU agent!

lol wrong show (that show is actually doing well in ratings, don't jinx it)

[noleintheburg]

That's a spoiler. Please use spoiler tags. Thanks!

How is that a spoiler, he is listed as Larry Doyle, CTU agent .............[removed]....., plus he was in the preview.

A spoiler would be that Jack's wife isn't really dead.

[NetworkTV]

How is that a spoiler, he is listed as Larry Doyle, CTU agent .....[removed]......., plus he was in the preview.

A spoiler would be that Jack's wife isn't really dead.
Him being listed somewhere as a character would actually be a spoiler if he hasn't appeared. However, being in the preview negates that. I don't watch the previews, so I actually missed that he was going to be on. However, I can't fault someone mentioning it if they did see them.

[CPanther95]

How is that a spoiler, he is listed as Larry Doyle, CTU agent ..... plus he was in the preview.

A spoiler would be that Jack's wife isn't really dead.

He was in the preview, so it isn't a spoiler. Being "listed" somewhere would be a spoiler since it isn't from the preview or the show.

[EDIT] NetworkTV beat me to it.

FWIW - stating the number of shows a character will appear would also be a spoiler (and was removed)

[noleintheburg]

Sorry about that, it never occured to me that people don't watch the previews, I could understand that.

[CPanther95]

I think you mis-read. Previews are fair game. RS was in the preview, so it wouldn't be a spoiler.

If he weren't in the preview, then saying he is listed as a cast member by TV.com in a future episode would be a spoiler. The only thing you posted that remains a spoiler (and I removed) was the number of episodes in which he is expected to appear.

[lexluthor]

Sorry, my bad. I guess, if I don't watch the previews, I'd have no way to know if he was in the previews or not.

[NetworkTV]

Sorry, my bad. I guess, if I don't watch the previews, I'd have no way to know if he was in the previews or not.
Don't feel bad. When I first saw the post, I went "Whaaaaaat?" But then there was mention of him being in the preview later in the thread and I figured out what the deal was. I don't think there was mention of him being seen in the previews when you first posted.

[mds54]

I think you mis-read. Previews are fair game. RS was in the preview, so it wouldn't be a spoiler.

Just curious......
Since previews can be major spoilers, and many of us won't watch them
for that reason, why does this forum consider them to be fair-game?

[NetworkTV]

Just curious......
Since previews can be major spoilers, and many of us won't watch them
for that reason, why does this forum consider them to be fair-game?
Because they are shown during the end credits of the actual episode. If the promos were only shown in other shows, online or through other sources, they wouldn't be acceptable in this thread.

[CPanther95]

We had to settle on a fair definition years ago. The vast majority catch the preview at the end of the show, and it would be difficult to discuss the show without anyone mentioning the direction the show was obviously heading from the previews. The alternative was spoiler tagging 2/3rd's of the posts that mention something referenced in the preview.

[noleintheburg]

I don't watch any of these shows live, I DVR them so I can FF through the commercials, and I also end up with the previews recorded so I can see if you are watching it live, how you would skip the previews, I'd probably do the same thing.

I got it now. ;)

[NetworkTV]

I don't watch any of these shows live, I DVR them so I can FF through the commercials, and I also end up with the previews recorded so I can see if you are watching it live, how you would skip the previews, I'd probably do the same thing.

I got it now. ;)
I just stop watching before the end credits. I'm willing to take the risk of getting spoiled by coming here, but I'm not going to go out of my way to do it. If someone brings up the subject of a preview, I'm not going to get upset, though. I'm more likely to be upset at the promotions folks for giving so much away.

[CPanther95]

Just read that the South Park guys are big 24 fans. They have an episode planned this season that's a knock-off of 24. They say you don't really need funny lines - just hearing Cartman saying Jack Bauer's lines is freakin' hilarious. I can see how that would be the case.

[mds54]

I don't watch any of these shows live, I DVR them so I can FF through the commercials, and I also end up with the previews recorded so I can see if you are watching it live, how you would skip the previews, I'd probably do the same thing. I got it now. ;)

That's exactly what I do....watch only recorded episodes so that I can
FF through commercials, and SKIP or DELETE before I see any previews.
I couldn't watch these shows any other way :cool:

[noleintheburg]

Just read that the South Park guys are big 24 fans. They have an episode planned this season that's a knock-off of 24. They say you don't really need funny lines - just hearing Cartman saying Jack Bauer's lines is freakin' hilarious. I can see how that would be the case.

That will be awesome.

[hondo21]

I just stop watching before the end credits. I'm willing to take the risk of getting spoiled by coming here, but I'm not going to go out of my way to do it. If someone brings up the subject of a preview, I'm not going to get upset, though. I'm more likely to be upset at the promotions folks for giving so much away.Exactly the same with me. I avoid seeing the previews, but I'm not fanatical about picking up a stray piece of information. Finding out certain actors that will be showing up doesn't bother me, that doesn't usually reveal much. Half the things I find out about I forget before the next show airs anyway.

[NetworkTV]

Exactly the same with me. I avoid seeing the previews, but I'm not fanatical about picking up a stray piece of information. Finding out certain actors that will be showing up doesn't bother me, that doesn't usually reveal much. Half the things I find out about I forget before the next show airs anyway.
I often forget what I had for breakfast. Maybe Jack could torture the information out of me...

"Pancakes! I know you had pancakes! Did you have syrup on them?! Was it the real stuff or artificial?! Tell me what I need to know or I'll shove this bacon down your throat whole!"

[kucharsk]

Just read that the South Park guys are big 24 fans. They have an episode planned this season that's a knock-off of 24. They say you don't really need funny lines - just hearing Cartman saying Jack Bauer's lines is freakin' hilarious. I can see how that would be the case.Kiefer and Mary Lynn are also supposed to do voices for the season finale of The Simpsons.

Also, if you hate spoilers, don't pick up this week's Entertainment Weekly - they spoil episodes 14 and 20 at the very least, and give hints to more spoilers occurring before season's end.

[NetworkTV]

Kiefer and Mary Lynn are also supposed to do voices for the season finale of The Simpsons.

Also, if you hate spoilers, don't pick up this week's Entertainment Weekly - they spoil episodes 14 and 20 at the very least, and give hints to more spoilers occurring before season's end.
That's why i don't even glance at those kinds of magazines, TV shows or web sites. I'm not sure people are so quick to WANT to know what's coming up. What's the point of watching if you know what's coming?

On another series (I'm not going to say which one), I knew a character was going to die. It completely ruined it for me since the entire show was a build-up to it.

[CPanther95]

Thanks for the EW heads up. Is it the one with Ugly Betty on the cover? Haven't cracked that one open yet - it made its way right to the "reading room".

[kucharsk]

Thanks for the EW heads up. Is it the one with Ugly Betty on the cover? Haven't cracked that one open yet - it made its way right to the "reading room".No - Kiefer is on the cover. Including the "Ugly Betty" issue it's actually two issues old now:

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/covergallery/img/2007/mar022007_923_lg.jpg

Great photo of Kiefer and Mary Lynn:

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/070222/24_l.jpg

For anyone that does want to be spoiled, click here (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20013164,00.html)…

[noleintheburg]

I think tonight this show turns the corner...kind of like last year, when we found out President Dipwad was an evil mastermind, and the rest of the season literally flew by.

Every year its almost like someone yells "Gametime", and then this thing takes off, right to the finale'.

[steen995]

I'm afraid to look further into this thread because I don't want to spoil anything. ;) We're part way through Season 5. We just started a few weeks ago and have flown through the seasons! My question, how long after Season 6 before it comes out on DVD? I know the first four episodes for Season 6 are on DVD. I can't believe the episodes are on Fox On Demand online but not on Comcast. I'd love to be able to see the beginning episodes of Season 6 to get get caught up and then record the rest as they happen each week. Any way (other than on line) to do that?

[lax01]

wow....24 officially sucks...

This is by far the least well written episode ever....EVER

This is terrible...absolutely terrible.

Time co cancel it...

[taxman48]

Don't mess with the VP, or he will make you some Kool-Aide.. what a stabbing, though I was watching Rome or the Gladiator.. :eek:

[ftboomer]

I don't think they could have telegraphed the stabbing any more than they did. Geesh!

[jonnythan]

Best episode of the season.

They're definitely weaning us off Jack though.

[lax01]

I don't think they could have telegraphed the stabbing any more than they did. Geesh!

how many times did she play with the knife? jesus christ...they have officially dumbed 24 down for the below-average, didn't-graduate-high-school, morons in this country...worst episode I've ever seen

[clevername]

this show is completely worthless when Jack Bauer is not on the screen.

[giedrys]

how many times did she play with the knife? jesus christ...they have officially dumbed 24 down for the below-average, didn't-graduate-high-school, morons in this country...worst episode I've ever seen

Completely agree, unfortunately.

Nuke just went off in LA a couple of hours ago, country is in the middle of a crisis. However, twenty-some miles away,where Martha Logan lives, happy relaxed senior citizens are playing tennis!!!! :eek:

Seriously, how stupid is that?

[cjghome]

I say its ...Nadia Yassir......(middle easterner CTU agent)

Its just a guess....NOT A SPOILER....

I hope its not Morris....For some reason he's like able...

Does Jack have "Internal Bleeding" or just bruised ribs?

Charlie

[lax01]

I hope Jack dies this season...its the only thing that will make this show interesting...

[LL3HD]

Nuke just went off in LA a couple of hours ago, country is in the middle of a crisis. However, twenty-some miles away,where Martha Logan lives, happy relaxed senior citizens are playing tennis!!!! :eek:

Seriously, how stupid is that?My thoughts exactly, that was like a kick to the viewer’s groin.

Not only are the old tennis players undaunted by the earlier nuke but they’re oblivious to a chopper that just landed on their croquet field. They’re not the least bit interested??

They never should have allowed that shot to make the final cut. It really weakened the show.

[VisionOn]

worst episode I've seen of 24 in a long time. Possibly of all time. not only relatively boring for the most part, but also more stupid and predictable than the usual acceptable levels.

The histrionics of Jean Smart, the obviousness of the knife, the new guy who is an instant dick,, the convenience of the Russian bad guy staring off into the distance so Jack could steal a belt ... Aaron and Martha looked about as convincing a couple as Michael Jackson and lisa Marie.

I thought time was realistic in 24? Martha says to the soviet first lady "I'll tell you the details so you can explain it to the president" and about one minute later the Russian president is on the phone to teh bad guy already having been fully convinced!

This season started with a frenetic and exciting bang, but ever since the nuke went off it's been going downhill. They peaked way too early.

And please, somebody beef up security at CTU! How many leaks can they have? Ban personal cell phone use or something!

[Rakesh.S]

the dumber this show gets, the bigger the audience...go figure.

Season 1 sucked hard with the teri bauer amnesia plot and kim's antics, but it made more sense than any of the past 3 seasons. I guess that could be attributed to the fact that it was on for the first time. The novelty has definitely worn off though.

[DOBE]

Here's Martha!! She's one scary women.

I was actually entertained through out the entire hour for the first time this season. Go figure.

[rsambuca]

I don't think they could have telegraphed the stabbing any more than they did. Geesh!
Yeah, way too funny! It must have said this in the screenplay copies:

"Hey guys - she's carrying a knife"

"No really, she's carrying a knife"

"Did you guys notice - she's carrying a KNIFE"

[kucharsk]

You all are being way too critical.

The chopping was a bit obvious, but just in the course of the show neither my wife nor I saw the stabbing coming.

They've telegraphed some things much worse this season.

If it annoys you so much, stop watching; I'll enjoy my season six and bide my time until I can buy the DVDs.

(It was great to see Aaron and Martha as a couple, too. Nice continuity and obvious outgrowth from their moments together last season.)

I wonder if we'll get to see Mike Novick this year?

[ftboomer]

You all are being way too critical.

The chopping was a bit obvious, but just in the course of the show neither my wife nor I saw the stabbing coming.

They've telegraphed some things much worse this season.

If it annoys you so much, stop watching; I'll enjoy my season six and bide my time until I can buy the DVDs.

(It was great to see Aaron and Martha as a couple, too. Nice continuity and obvious outgrowth from their moments together last season.)

I wonder if we'll get to see Mike Novick this year?


Oh come on, they showed the knife 4 times in a minute and a half (chopping, walking in, on table and walking out). It was not a natural shot either, it was a forced "hey look, I have a knife" type of shot.

[WilliamR]

Boring episode, it seemed to drag. Except for the last 5 minutes I found myself fiddling with some paper and not paying attention.

[noleintheburg]

I decided the only way to watch this show was to suspend reality...once you do that, you will be thoroughly entertained.

BTW, if I wasn't suspending reality, I'd have a hard time buying the Russian Prez allowing us to wipe out his men at the consulate....but then Russians have been known to give up their own.

[steverobertson]

I decided the only way to watch this show was to suspend reality...once you do that, you will be thoroughly entertained.

BTW, if I wasn't suspending reality, I'd have a hard time buying the Russian Prez allowing us to wipe out his men at the consulate....but then Russians have been known to give up their own.

I agree that is the only way to watch the show. It does not have to be real for me to be entertained but to each his own I guess

[Iteki]

(It was great to see Aaron and Martha as a couple, too. Nice continuity and obvious outgrowth from their moments together last season.)



That was fricking great...I loved when Aaron answered the phone:

"Martha Logan's Bungalow"....he should have added : "Cabana boy Aaron at your Service!" :-)

[Steve Wright]

I have to agree with most. Worst episode in a VERY long time. Almost up there with the cougars. A freakin' nuke goes off and people are playing tennis?! Next week, another mole. What a shock. I'm guessing it's going to be Ricky Schroeder, working for the President who wants the bombs to go off. Wasted an hour last night. Where's, The Fonz?

[Erik Garci]

Season 1: Elizabeth Nash stabs Alexis Drazen
Season 3: Gael's wife shoots Saunders
Season 5: Russian girl shoots Rossler
Season 6: Martha stabs Charles Logan

Is there a pattern here?

[jonnythan]

Season 1: Elizabeth Nash stabs Alexis Drazen
Season 3: Gael's wife shoots Saunders
Season 5: Russian girl shoots Rossler
Season 6: Martha stabs Charles Logan

Is there a pattern here?
Yeah, people kill people in the show.

Some revelation ;)

[hgsmth]

I decided the only way to watch this show was to suspend reality...once you do that, you will be thoroughly entertained.


Suspending reality in every way has been a prerequisite since season 1, episode 1 :) . What I find most disappointing is their apparent inability to bring new ideas to keep it interesting (and Jack's speaking voice getting quieter and quieter each season) :rolleyes:.

[Erik Garci]

Yeah, people kill people in the show.

Some revelation ;)
A woman who wants revenge, and a man who could help CTU.

[wingzz]

Suspending reality in every way has been a prerequisite since season 1, episode 1 :) . What I find most disappointing is their apparent inability to bring new ideas to keep it interesting (and Jack's speaking voice getting quieter and quieter each season) :rolleyes:.


Funny I thought he was yelling more this season

[jluzbet]

If this show is so bad why don't you stop watching it... Damn is TV everything is FAKE kids....


Stop hating or stop watching it, Jack is not holding a gun on you or is he??? :eek:

[VisionOn]

Oh come on, they showed the knife 4 times in a minute and a half (chopping, walking in, on table and walking out). It was not a natural shot either, it was a forced "hey look, I have a knife" type of shot.

the only thing missing from the fruit chopping scene was the shower slashing music from Psycho.

[Steve Schauer]

They should have hired Ryan Seacrest instead of Ricky Schroeder as the new agent. Maybe get Simon Cowell in as a British double agent.

[RDK006]

Wow, I thought this was a terrific episode. Love it when they focus on characters other than Jack for a change. The scenes between Charles and Martha were crackling - they work so well together!

[steverobertson]

If this show is so bad why don't you stop watching it... Damn is TV everything is FAKE kids....


Stop hating or stop watching it, Jack is not holding a gun on you or is he??? :eek:


No kidding, god it is TV and is supposed to entertain you and that is it.

[lax01]

Wow, I thought this was a terrific episode. Love it when they focus on characters other than Jack for a change. The scenes between Charles and Martha were crackling - they work so well together!

Funny...I thought the only way they could make this season worse was by not showing Jack the entire episode and by bringing back the most annoying character from Season 5...and look what happened :rolleyes:


It took the dude 40 minutes to get the sat phone? Are you joking?

and I'll complain all I want, until they starting writing better material, I'll complain...

[mproper]

Funny...I thought the only way they could make this season worse was by not showing Jack the entire episode and by bringing back the most annoying character from Season 5...and look what happened :rolleyes:


It took the dude 40 minutes to get the sat phone? Are you joking?

and I'll complain all I want, until they starting writing better material, I'll complain...

Well, it also took Charles about 1 minute and 30 seconds from the time he said "I'll be getting on a chopper to see Martha" until he was walking up to the door. I don't let the time discrepancies bother me though, nor do I question why after 5 seasons, the terrorists haven't learned that Jack Bauer is in LA and start planning their major operations from NYC where there are bound to be less competent personnel.

Also, I'm sure the ribs that Jack was nursing for most of this past episode will miraculously quit hurting in about 15 minutes.

I really hate Martha though (most annoying character ever). On the flip side, there is still 11 hours left for them to uncover a CTU mole this season though.

[lax01]

I really hate Martha though. On the flip side, there is still 11 hours left for them to uncover a CTU mole this season though.

yeah...because we haven't seen that in any of the other 5 seasons...

[RaveD]

Yeah, way too funny! It must have said this in the screenplay copies:

"Hey guys - she's carrying a knife"

"No really, she's carrying a knife"

"Did you guys notice - she's carrying a KNIFE"
I have no problem suspending disbelief for this show, except sometimes when it makes people look completely incompetent in doing their jobs, which makes you wonder how CTU ever succeeds at their missions.

This is just one more example of Secret Service agents not doing their job. They would not allow a knife within 100 feet of the ex-President. They would have swept that room before he even went in there. And they would have been more cautious of Martha given her penchant for hating her ex-husband and the fact that she is crazy.

The writers have no choice but to write unbelievable plot lines, otherwise the show would not be what it is. I just wish they wouldn't cop out and use incompetence as a plot device. At least not incompetence on the part of US government employees in the upper echelons of their profession.

[Howie]

At least not incompetence on the part of US government employees in the upper echelons of their profession.

Yeah, like there are no examples of that in real life. ;)

[megaman_y]

I think 24 has become sort of a roller coaster ride where they take take cheap chrills and character drama to get that OMG effect rather than focus on the story. I'm so used to characters dying at moments notice from last season, its become a novelty of the show. Personally I've been having allot of fun this season and last night was no exception. The show is still good and still fun to watch… but I do wish they would focus on the story a little bit more and bring in better characters. I think next season needs that.

They should have brought back Chase instead of placing Silver Spoons in CTU. What happened to that guy, looks like he grew 20 years older in only 5! And did you see the look on Lennex's face when the Vice President was trying to persuade him into lying about Assad? I love it… He must have been like, what the hell was I thinking making this guy in charge?!? THAT IS 24. Crazy OMG stuff. THE VICE PRESIDENT IS OUT OF HIS MIND!

[VisionOn]

They should have brought back Chase instead of placing Silver Spoons in CTU.

Jack cut off Chase's hand with an axe! I don't think he would be much use.

[lax01]

Jack cut off Chase's hand with an axe! I don't think he would be much use.

I'm sure the writers could have figured out a way to explain why it grew back...or they would have simply ignored it and leave the audience in disbelief in the stupidity

[VisionOn]

If this show is so bad why don't you stop watching it... Damn is TV everything is FAKE kids....

Stop hating or stop watching it, Jack is not holding a gun on you or is he??? :eek:

That's stupid reasoning. The equivalent to stopping supporting your favorite basketball/football/baseball/hockey team after they lose one or two games.

[megaman_y]

Jack cut off Chase's hand with an axe! I don't think he would be much use.


From season 4, I though Kim said they were able to reattach the hand and he was fine. But he was working as a security guard. Am I wrong about this?

[Howie]

From season 4, I though Kim said they were able to reattach the hand and he was fine. But he was working as a security guard. Am I wrong about this?

Hey, they put Luke Skywalker's hand back on, so there's a precedent.

[scanpa]

From season 4, I though Kim said they were able to reattach the hand and he was fine. But he was working as a security guard. Am I wrong about this?

correct.

[Aliens]

...I though Kim said they were able to reattach the hand and he was fine. But he was working as a security guard.
At Wal-Mart - they do fall fast and hard. ;)

[SbWillie]

THis scene was pretty wicked last night!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j1Zz6xELVI&NR

[pedrojunkie]

this show is completely worthless when Jack Bauer is not on the screen.

To the contrary Jack's storyline has been boring the hell out of me/pissing me off this season. The incest father/brother storyline was stupid, superhuman ninja Jack stuff is over the top, the Logan stuff was dull and dumb. The most intresting aspect to the show right now is the Vice President/Lennox storyline. Which is odd because I usually got bored of the presidential storylines in the past seasons.

[pedrojunkie]

the dumber this show gets, the bigger the audience...go figure.

Season 1 sucked hard with the teri bauer amnesia plot and kim's antics, but it made more sense than any of the past 3 seasons. I guess that could be attributed to the fact that it was on for the first time. The novelty has definitely worn off though.

***A few Season One Spoilers***
(is there a statute of limitations on spoilers? I mean its 6 years old if its bad I'll delete it or change the color or whatever...)

To each his own, but in my opinion season one was the most brilliant season of television ive ever seen. I've seen it a few times and its just great. Sure it has a few WTF moments, every season does, but the charm of that season was in its simplicity. I wish they'd get back to that. I'm tired of Jack saving the world, season one was saving his family, and then stopping an assasination. After that we jumped right into Nuclear bombs and biowarfare...

There was also much more character development in season one, plus if you watched them in order, the twists and turns were all fresh and new. Its only because 24 can't come up with new ideas that season one doesn't stand up as well compared to the newer seasons because they reuse the same ideas, and up the ante.

And the Amnesia plot was incredibly lame I will give you that but if I recall the writers wrote themselves into a corner. They split up the girls and they needed to get Teri back to her house to set up a series of events. They needed to figure out a credible way of getting a woman who has been kidnapped and chased by terrorists to go back to the most dangerous place for her to be... SO amnesia is the way they went. again, I agree it was lame, but every season has lame moments, I'll take the one big lame moment over season 5 and 6's weekly constant lame moments any day of the week. Other than the Amnesia I can't think of any other extremely lame plot point or anything from that season. As tiring as the constant kidnapping got it was explained, remember the mole concept (And Nina being bad) was still fresh and new. (though they did pull it twice that season in different ways) Unlike today, the timeline was pretty accurate, not perfect but believable for a hollywood world.

[Robert Simandl]

And the Amnesia plot was incredibly lame I will give you that but if I recall the writers wrote themselves into a corner. They split up the girls and they needed to get Teri back to her house to set up a series of events. They needed to figure out a credible way of getting a woman who has been kidnapped and chased by terrorists to go back to the most dangerous place for her to be... SO amnesia is the way they went. again, I agree it was lame, but every season has lame moments, I'll take the one big lame moment over season 5 and 6's weekly constant lame moments any day of the week. Other than the Amnesia I can't think of any other extremely lame plot point or anything from that season. As tiring as the constant kidnapping got it was explained, remember the mole concept (And Nina being bad) was still fresh and new. (though they did pull it twice that season in different ways) Unlike today, the timeline was pretty accurate, not perfect but believable for a hollywood world.

I had read somewhere the writers had intended to kill Terri off during that terrorist ambush scene... and only resurrected her and gave her amnesia because the network lowered the boom and told them to keep Terri alive?

[cuzzin]

From season 4, I though Kim said they were able to reattach the hand and he was fine. But he was working as a security guard. Am I wrong about this?
Kim didn't say Chase was working security, Jack did. And no, they have never said his hand was reattached. They did seem optimistic at the end of season three that it would be reattached, but it's never been confirmed for sure.

[kucharsk]

Oh come on, they showed the knife 4 times in a minute and a half (chopping, walking in, on table and walking out). It was not a natural shot either, it was a forced "hey look, I have a knife" type of shot.Whatever. Stop analyzing things so deeply. I frankly never noticed it again after the chopping shot.

I have to agree with most. Worst episode in a VERY long time. Almost up there with the cougars. A freakin' nuke goes off and people are playing tennis?!I don't understand what people would expect them to be doing? Running away in panic? Cowering in a corner? Running towards the fallout? What?

For anyone that doesn't live in the LA area, you actually could vaporize Valencia and most people in the balance of the area would never notice. It's a huge metro area.

[mnevar]

It was nice to see that the Russians are as competent at setting up perimeters as CTU has been.

[Iteki]

THis scene was pretty wicked last night!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j1Zz6xELVI&NR

Fantastic! :-)

[jpco]

I don't understand what people would expect them to be doing? Running away in panic? Cowering in a corner? Running towards the fallout? What?

I don't know, with a national crisis greater than we have even known, I think they'd be with loved ones, watching the news, making provisions.

I don't know if you've ever been somewhere where a hurricane, a blizzard, or tornadoes had struck, but it's not business as usual even if you're out of the path of the worst danger/damage. We have never come close to having a nuclear explosion such as that in a populated area. It would get people's attention much more than is being depicted on 24.

[megaman_y]

Kim didn't say Chase was working security, Jack did. And no, they have never said his hand was reattached. They did seem optimistic at the end of season three that it would be reattached, but it's never been confirmed for sure.

Thanks.

[lax01]

Whatever. Stop analyzing things so deeply. I frankly never noticed it again after the chopping shot.

I don't understand what people would expect them to be doing? Running away in panic? Cowering in a corner? Running towards the fallout? What?

For anyone that doesn't live in the LA area, you actually could vaporize Valencia and most people in the balance of the area would never notice. It's a huge metro area.

Were you alive on 9/11/01? I know in DC (where I live) people were not going on with their daily lives...people were concerned...schools were locked down....there were fears of more attacks

Now in this fake 24 world, this isn't even the FIRST terrorist attack to take place in the past 6 months....and this was a NUCLEAR attack with a THREAT of more nuclear attacks...I for one would be running from civilization and any big cities...not playing tennis waiting for the next explosion to go off...

I'm sorry, the writing sucks...its sloppy and boring. They should have a mass panic with people clogging the highways...not playing tennis leisurely as a helicopter flies in and lands next to the court...

[archiguy]

I don't know if you've ever been somewhere where a hurricane, a blizzard, or tornadoes had struck, but it's not business as usual even if you're out of the path of the worst danger/damage. We have never come close to having a nuclear explosion such as that in a populated area. It would get people's attention much more than is being depicted on 24.

Nah. Nuclear explosions on U.S. soil are old hat for '24'. They've already been there, done that back in S-2 (or was it