24 on FOX - Day 6 - NO SPOILERS

[archiguy]

But leave it to CNN to try and entangle the US Army with what goes on in 24. :rolleyes: They are pathetic.


You know what's really pathetic? Trying to equate CNN exclusively with a story they neither originated nor unilaterally pursued just to take a shot at a news network that doesn't pimp your personal views like, say, FNC. :rolleyes: If there wasn't a kernel of truth to it, then Army brass wouldn't have felt the need to speak with the show's producers, now would they? Truth is, we don't have any real idea what goes on in those "secret detention facilities", at least since they outlawed digital cameras.

[LL3HD]

If there wasn't a kernel of truth to it, then Army brass wouldn't have felt the need to speak with the show's producers, now would they? Truth is, we don't have any real idea what goes on in those "secret detention facilities", at least since they outlawed digital cameras.
You can speculate all you want about what you don’t know and what you presume is happening. The only "kernel of truth" is that pressure was put on the US Army and they gave in. That is pathetic. They should concentrate on winning the war and deal with those realities and leave the world of fantasy to Hollywood.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article2264632.ece
The meeting in November was arranged by Human Rights First, a non-profit organization that has launched a campaign against torture both in the real world and on television.It’s one thing for us, the viewers, to mock the show; it’s a far scarier thing when organizations protest to the government and persuade them to impinge on what we watch.

[LL3HD]

And regarding CNN, the OP said this story was running today. The story is old news.

[LL3HD]

You know what's really pathetic? Trying to equate CNN exclusively with a story they neither originated nor unilaterally pursued just to take a shot at a news network that doesn't pimp your personal views like, say, FNC. :rolleyes: .Here is another source for this story today. I guess this is why the story is on CNN today but not on FOX. If the shoe fits….

Don’t let your buddies see this story; you might have to ante up a C note. http://wsws.org/articles/2007/mar2007/twen-m14.shtml

[keenan]

This thread is getting way too depressing...time to lighten it up a bit.

CRACKSPIDER (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHzdsFiBbFc)
Hilarious!! Much more fun than discussing the merits of 24 and torture, it's a frackin' TV show for cripes sakes, you'd think the US Army would have more important things to do than piss and moan about a TV show...

[drpepper]

Thanks for Crackspider.. enjoyed it.

[d2s2]

When are they going to learn that what is on TV is fiction, unless it's the news. You are responsible for what you do in real life.

No, even the news is fiction. Especially on CNNBCBSABCMSNBCAPNYTWP. ;-)

[archiguy]

No, even the news is fiction. Especially on CNNBCBSABCMSNBCAPNYTWP. ;-)

Oh please, do you people never stop to even sample reality once in a while? :rolleyes:

[NetworkTV]

...so, uh, how 'bout that Jack Bauer guy? He's pretty bada$$, eh? He's on this fictional drama unrelated to the slant on news networks...

[Mike4HDTV]

Decent episode of 24. I doubt that Nadia is the mole. I think somebody is setting her up but I have no idea who it is.

I'm a little suprised that Audrey is dead. I have a strange feeling that the Chinese guy that kidnapped Jack is behind her death.

[lax01]

Its pretty obvious the mole is either Morris or Milo...its not Nadia...this can be proven by look at the past 4 seasons where CTU people were suspected of being moles and were really innocent...

Another dumb and pointless episode of 24...they really can't sink much lower than that...

The VP is a moron....he's all like "FIREEEEEEE THE MISSSSSSSELLLLLLLLLES" (http://www.ebaumsworld.com/2006/06/endofworld.html) (nsfw)

but at least Jack got 2 solid kills and one lethal wounding...thats the only thing that makes this show worth watching anymore...

[bphisig]

I love the VP. They should have just written Powers Booth as the President from the start. He's much better than DB Woodside as Wayne Palmer.

[gtree10]

I'm a little suprised that Audrey is dead. I have a strange feeling that the Chinese guy that kidnapped Jack is behind her death.
The Audrey storyline could also play into the plot of the movie.

[nikeykid]

finally SF gets some love on 24. great grainy, nightcam shots of what almost appears to be the skyline. w00t.

[Aliens]

I’m not convinced Audrey is dead. Something about that picture of her on the ground showing her bracelet makes me suspicious. This could lead to a different direction for 24 next season...FINALLY. I don’t think I can take another year of terrorism and corrupt government officials...TV is supposed to be about escaping reality, not living it.

I can’t discuss what I think of the VP.

Hmmm...who is the mole? It’s too early to tell, but you can’t rule out ‘The Champ.’

We are seeing less and less of Jack this year. We may be heading for the death of Jack next year and the end of 24. Two years ago I’d have been disappointed, but at this point, the clock is ticking.

[bphisig]

We are seeing less and less of Jack this year. We may be heading for the death of Jack next year and the end of 24. Two years ago I’d have been disappointed, but at this point, the clock is ticking.

Everyone has talked about how grueling this show is for Kiefer, so I think they're scaling him back a bit at times, but I'm sure that he'll have a more prominent role in the upcoming weeks. They aren't going to keep Jack as an afterthought for long.

[kucharsk]

I love the VP. They should have just written Powers Booth as the President from the start. He's much better than DB Woodside as Wayne Palmer.I have the biggest problem with this.

Besides the fact that he's being played as certifiably insane, it's also Powers Boothe… acting like Powers Boothe.

Really, I feel like next week he'll be asking his followers to drink the Kool-Aid (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0080832/).

Meanwhile, in Nadia's case, where's the guy with the cool suitcase of hypodermics? She would have been injected and shaking by now in past seasons…

[danc8379]

I’m not convinced Audrey is dead.

I agree....didn't her new show "The Nine" get cancelled early on? They could easily bring her back if they wanted to.

[NorthJersey]

I have no knowledge of future episodes, so it's not a spoiler, but based on the show's writer's tendencies, I can't wait until Jack somehow gets to DC and tortures the VP!!!

[romanesq]

Decent episode of 24. I doubt that Nadia is the mole. I think somebody is setting her up but I have no idea who it is.

I'm a little suprised that Audrey is dead. I have a strange feeling that the Chinese guy that kidnapped Jack is behind her death.

Poor Milo is thinking I could have had Nadia at least three episodes ago. Now I have to wait another three episodes until she is cleared of the mole charges and forgives me as our sexy time is delayed indefintely.

And what really hurts is Nadia is doing lots of stairmaster and looking good. :p

Look Audrey ain't dead, she has to come back to mess up Jack's reconquest of his brother's wife and the VP has to take a fall after several weeks of johnny one note squawking.

Wasting a nuke in a rural area? That's a real waste of taxpayer dollars. I say, Riyadh or bust. :cool:

[jaydreb]

I wouldn't be surprised if Milo turns out to be the mole. Something to do with him giving Nadia his security access. Maybe he did that to set her up to look like the mole.

[lax01]

I love how there is absolutely no discussion in here anymore...that shows you how truly bad the show has become

[Aliens]

I’m not convinced Audrey is dead. Something about that picture of her on the ground showing her bracelet makes me suspicious.


Once Jack gets over the initial shock and looks at the picture again, he’ll see the bracelet is on the wrong arm – anyway, that’s my suspicion.

[WilliamR]

I doubt Audrey is dead, sounds like a setup for next season.

Didn't enjoy this show that much. SHOCKER - there is a mole in CTU. Didn't that do this every single season? No originality anymore. Re-hashing the same old stuff. Jack jumps in, and knows how to work that whole system for the drone. Reminds me of the days on Star Trek that no matter how alien the system is, and in a different language, the crew always knew exactly what buttons to press to access the computer. Just not believable.

[nikeykid]

I love how there is absolutely no discussion in here anymore...that shows you how truly bad the show has become

are you kidding me? nadia with a little sweat, handcuffed, halfway unbuttoned blouse....... redeems the show for me.

[LL3HD]

Its pretty obvious the mole is either Morris or Milo...
Another dumb and pointless episode of 24...they really can't sink much lower than that... Agree, it’s obvious to me (pure speculation) that Milo is the bad guy. It’s sort of like that knife discussion last week. There are too many reaction shots with Milo.
The VP is a moron .Yes he’s a bit over the top.

Isn’t it funny, seeing the President unconscious?
He is the only character that doesn’t have miraculous recovery abilities.

[lax01]

are you kidding me? nadia with a little sweat, handcuffed, halfway unbuttoned blouse....... redeems the show for me.

lol when Doyle just flat out goes 'You just want to sleep with her', his response should have been..."doesn't everyone?"

[rsambuca]

lol when Doyle just flat out goes 'You just want to sleep with her', his response should have been..."doesn't everyone?"
Or how 'bout: "Yeaahhh.... Hottieeeee!!!

[scowl]

Compared to the landing of jet airliner on a freeway last season, Kiefer's dramatic landing of a model airplane in what appeared to be a long parking lot completely cracked me up, especially when five fire trucks showed up.

"It's beginning to stall. I need a place to land this thing!" Uh, the last thing you want to do when any aircraft is in a stall is attempt to land it. Why didn't he just plunk it into the many many bodies of water around the Bay Area where the radioactive stuff would be contained?

I like how VP Strangelove keeps referring to dropping a nuke on an "unpopulated" area nevertheless causing thousands of casualties. I guess he means unpopulated after the nuke. Just like in season two, the dialog has to awkwardly avoid saying the name of this particular country that they keep mentioning over and over that supports terrorists and is somewhere in Middle East (China and Russia are OK to mention repeatedly though). Television Without Pity called this unmentionable country "Fauxraqistan" in the season two recaps.

I suspected Nadia was the mole since the first episode -- she's a card-carrying Republican! Just a joke, folks! :D

[NetworkTV]

Am I the only one that wonders why they didn't just dunk the drone into the harbor? It's an industrial area. How much more pollution would it add? Instead, we have a flaming crash approached by firefighters wearing no protection (despite knowing the payload).

Further more, when was the last time a drone had a jet engine? They're all prop-driven for long range flight. They're also more manueverable than most airplanes. "I'm turning right - we're gonna stall!" We need 500 feet of runway to land a model airplane!

Of course, we get the typical mole misdirection, the crazy VP, and more in-fighting in every department.

The only highlight was the "breath test". That was funny.

Edit: I guess I took too long to respond - see above.

[scowl]

Remember technically this season of 24 is in "the future" so years from now, drones may have jet engines. They've been extensively used in Afghanistan and Pakistan so it's not unbelievable that the military is coming up with better models. I would love to get my hands on a model airplane that can fly 400 MPH! Wow!

This season, Television Without Pity is calling the unmentionable terrorist country "Mideastia". :D

[LL3HD]

Remember technically this season of 24 is in "the future" so years from now, drones may have jet engines.... I would love to get my hands on a model airplane that can fly 400 MPH! Wow! Check out this toy...
http://danerd.com/media/3245_powerful+awesome+F-14+model

[NetworkTV]

Remember technically this season of 24 is in "the future" so years from now, drones may have jet engines. They've been extensively used in Afghanistan and Pakistan so it's not unbelievable that the military is coming up with better models. I would love to get my hands on a model airplane that can fly 400 MPH! Wow!

This season, Television Without Pity is calling the unmentionable terrorist country "Mideastia". :D
A jet engine in a body that small would use all its fuel in a matter of minutes. They use prop engines because of the range and their ability to be less detectable. The better models coming up in the next decade still use prop technology. The difference is, they'll work in "swarms" and carry real bombs - unlike current surveilance craft. They are also getting smaller, which means less chance of jet power. The next generation units will be half the size of currrent Intruder Drones.

The drone technology allows units to be lauched from nearly anywhere with little or no runway, remain airborn for hours and fly quietly and high enough to do so undected in the most remote areas.

Of course, this makes me think about one part of the show:

CTU calls the military and reports they've spotted a drone. The military immediately responds that they're almost impossile to detect. Yet, CTU just happens to stumble across it?

[Gruson]

Anyone else watch 24 over DirecTV - local HD channels?

The quality in Dallas was HORRIBLE. Major artifacting and compression noise...

[cheneyp]

So I guess we're left to understand that President Logan is definitely dead? Not a word about him in last night's episode. I guess if he is dead, there isn't much to this news that would advance the story anyway...

[tcfila]

I hate it when my drone stalls, but you can still hear the engine running when they land it.

[Al Shing]

Too bad they didn't say Audrey was caught up in a bank robbery and is now missing for two months...

Whatever happened to that grenade they kept showing us?

[lax01]

Too bad they didn't say Audrey was caught up in a bank robbery and is now missing for two months...

Whatever happened to that grenade they kept showing us?

haha yeah...guess they had to write themselves out of a deep plot hole and had him not pull the pin

[jonnythan]

Too bad they didn't say Audrey was caught up in a bank robbery and is now missing for two months...

Whatever happened to that grenade they kept showing us?
It fell out of the guy's hand with the pin still in it.

Jack shot him just in time.

[Steve Schauer]

I can’t discuss what I think of the VP.
:D :D

[scowl]

A jet engine in a body that small would use all its fuel in a matter of minutes.
But but, this is the "future", remember? ;)

[scowl]

I hate it when my drone stalls, but you can still hear the engine running when they land it.
I thought they were talking about aerodynamic stall, not engine stall.

But then this is 24 so they were probably just saying meaningless words.

[srinivos]

Jack's brother died a few hours ago & his wife is already getting cozy with Jack :rolleyes:
Come on, she can't be that brazen having a son who just lost his father!

I think they introduced Audrey's death as a storyline for the future where they can take Jack out of LA, presumably even to China to extract revenge(for both his torture & Audrey).

[WERA689]

I hate it when my drone stalls, but you can still hear the engine running when they land it.

Um, they were talking about an aerodynamic stall, not an engine stall. That is a loss of lift due to too steep a turn or climb. Damn glad you're not flying MY drone! :D

[kgeorge78]

are you kidding me? nadia with a little sweat, handcuffed, halfway unbuttoned blouse....... redeems the show for me.

Ya that was awesome. She needs to take off her jacket now and again.

[faceoff]

Agree, it’s obvious to me (pure speculation) that Milo is the bad guy. It’s sort of like that knife discussion last week. There are too many reaction shots with Milo.
Yes he’s a bit over the top.

Isn’t it funny, seeing the President unconscious?
He is the only character that doesn’t have miraculous recovery abilities.

No - the really "funny" part was the doctor needing to be somewhere else when Karen Hayes was talking about bringing him out of his medically-induced coma.

Uh - where else did he need to be?

[Aliens]

No - the really "funny" part was the doctor needing to be somewhere else when Karen Hayes was talking about bringing him out of his medically-induced coma.

Uh - where else did he need to be?
He’s the hospital mole. :rolleyes:

[keenan]

No - the really "funny" part was the doctor needing to be somewhere else when Karen Hayes was talking about bringing him out of his medically-induced coma.

Uh - where else did he need to be?
That was just some throw-away writing, he's the doctor for arguably the most important man in the world, yet he needed to be someplace else, I was LMAO at that scene.

I really think they ought to start using dialogue balloons like they do in comics, this show has gone so far over the top.

[steverobertson]

Ya that was awesome. She needs to take off her jacket now and again.

No kidding this show needs some hot babes on it.

[Iteki]

No - the really "funny" part was the doctor needing to be somewhere else when Karen Hayes was talking about bringing him out of his medically-induced coma.

Uh - where else did he need to be?

That totally cracked me up too...does he have a tee time? Paperwork? What could possibly be more important? Is he bidding on an item on eBay?

[LL3HD]

That totally cracked me up too...does he have a tee time? Paperwork? What could possibly be more important? Is he bidding on an item on eBay?LOL...
maybe... incontinence?

[Iteki]

LOL...
maybe... incontinence?

I'd buy that if he was carrying a magazine :-)

[LL3HD]

No - the really "funny" part was the doctor needing to be somewhere else when Karen Hayes was talking about bringing him out of his medically-induced coma.

Uh - where else did he need to be?....or maybe he’s one of those Doctors with a SAG card. He had to be on set to shoot a spot for some hair (or whatever) growth treatment. :D

[John Chu]

Hey..is Logan still alive?

The last we saw was him traveling in an ambulance and "crashing".

I don't remember.

[romanesq]

Jack's brother died a few hours ago & his wife is already getting cozy with Jack :rolleyes:
Come on, she can't be that brazen having a son who just lost his father!

I think they introduced Audrey's death as a storyline for the future where they can take Jack out of LA, presumably even to China to extract revenge(for both his torture & Audrey).

Actually if you know women, a backup plan is important. They like to keep a guy or two on the hook just in case they break up with the current guy or he gets killed by his government employed killer brother.

I just turned down an offer to be a backup guy. She told me to sell everything and go west. :p

[jasonblair]

I'm sorry to say it, because this show has been the gratest show to ever air, and I've been hooked on it since its original air date... but it's over....

This is the SIXTH straight season we've had a mole within CTU. Jack's broken ribs and internal bleeding at the beginning of the show get bandaged, and he's back in business. It's just comical now. The cabinet has a plot to go against the president for the umpteenth time. Chloe has nothing to do in this season. The show is just a retread of its former great self.

Season 6 could have been so great... in China. What a blown opportunity! I know there were budgetary concerns... but you know they could have made it work. We really needed a break from CTU. Jack could have finally escaped at the end of season 6, and season 7 could have been what we now have as season six... With a year off, we would have been really psyched to see all the CTU crew again.

I'm not going to stop watching, but season 7 better be a completely new formula... even more dramatic of a change from season 4. It's sad to see a truly great show stretch it on for too long. Jack Bauer is following in the footsteps of Brett Favre.

Season 1 was the most brilliant thing ever to grace the airwaves. Season 2 and 3 copied the formula, and it got a little old. Season 4 changed the show, and it was fresh again. Seasons 5 and 6 have just been copies of season 4.

[jasonblair]

When are they going to learn that what is on TV is fiction, unless it's the news....um... yeah... I'm not going to touch that one...

*cough* Dateline truck explosion *cough*
*cough* Dan Rather national guard Bush papers *cough*
*cough* Jayson Blair - New York Times *cough*

[Aliens]

*cough* Jayson Blair - New York Times *cough*
Oh, the irony.

[LL3HD]

Oh, the irony. :D You guys crack me up. :D

[lax01]

Remember when Jack used to do things liek this:

http://lax.war3.com/jackownssmall.gif

http://lax.war3.com/24knife-small.gif

http://lax.war3.com/ninaownedbig.gif

ugh, I long for those days...punching women, stabbing guys in the neck, shooting un-armed senior citizens....Jack is a shell of his former self

[Steve Schauer]

Remember when Jack used to do things liek this:

http://lax.war3.com/jackownssmall.gif

http://lax.war3.com/24knife-small.gif

http://lax.war3.com/ninaownedbig.gif

ugh, I long for those days...punching women, stabbing guys in the neck, shooting un-armed senior citizens....Jack is a shell of his former self
Ah the good old days. Those are great clips!
We are seeing less and less of Jack this year. We may be heading for the death of Jack next year and the end of 24.
Or he'll be replaced. What else is little Ricky Schroder for, except as a younger Jack clone? Unless he's the mole. Hmmm.... maybe Jack will have to torture him.

[CPanther95]

Little Ricky couldn't carry Jack's jockstrap. No way he could carry 24 as the primary star.

[Steve Schauer]

Isn't it interesting (or maybe not) that his character is cut totally from the same cloth?

[d2s2]

Jack's brother died a few hours ago & his wife is already getting cozy with Jack :rolleyes:
Come on, she can't be that brazen having a son who just lost his father!

I think they introduced Audrey's death as a storyline for the future where they can take Jack out of LA, presumably even to China to extract revenge(for both his torture & Audrey).

If you will remember back to Hour 1 (7:00 AM - 8:00 AM), I thought at that time that Jack would be going after the Chinese guys who kept him in captivity, based on the look that Jack gave the Chinese official from Day 5 who was on the plane delivering Jack.

I also think that Ricky Schroeder (notice the credits from hour 13 show his name as "Ricky" not "Rick", as on NYPD Blue) will play a major role in the future - either as the replacement for Jack as he goes after the Chinese or as a co-conspiritor with VP Daniels, Fayed, et al.

Also, when Anderson Cooper shows up, we'll know who the mole is....

[R11]

I'm sorry to say it, because this show has been the gratest show to ever air, and I've been hooked on it since its original air date... but it's over....

This is the SIXTH straight season we've had a mole within CTU. Jack's broken ribs and internal bleeding at the beginning of the show get bandaged, and he's back in business. It's just comical now. The cabinet has a plot to go against the president for the umpteenth time. Chloe has nothing to do in this season. The show is just a retread of its former great self.

Season 6 could have been so great... in China. What a blown opportunity! I know there were budgetary concerns... but you know they could have made it work. We really needed a break from CTU. Jack could have finally escaped at the end of season 6, and season 7 could have been what we now have as season six... With a year off, we would have been really psyched to see all the CTU crew again.

I'm not going to stop watching, but season 7 better be a completely new formula... even more dramatic of a change from season 4. It's sad to see a truly great show stretch it on for too long. Jack Bauer is following in the footsteps of Brett Favre.

Season 1 was the most brilliant thing ever to grace the airwaves. Season 2 and 3 copied the formula, and it got a little old. Season 4 changed the show, and it was fresh again. Seasons 5 and 6 have just been copies of season 4.Yeah, yeah, I know how you feel man. The thing that really bugs me is that it's just so inconsistent. Virtually every aspect of the show is totally over the top, but then out of the blue they throw in a portrayal that's so true to life real that it just blows the whole enchilada. They really need to make the VP less believable. I mean seriously, a little nuke over the bow to catch their attention? C'mon, at least give us something that's a little bit of a stretch so he fits in with the general scheme of the show...


ron

[Steve Schauer]

:D

[kucharsk]

I'm sorry to say it, because this show has been the gratest show to ever air, and I've been hooked on it since its original air date... but it's over....
Then don't watch… bye.

[eightninesuited]

As a long time fan of 24, this show has turned to utter crap!

I watch because I want to see where they're going with this but the intensity has left it. It's not the same show without Tony and Michelle. I really don't care much of what goes on at CTU anymore.

Well, I do enjoy seeing Nadia tied up.

[kucharsk]

As a long time fan of 24, this show has turned to utter crap!

…and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Really, I don't get why people continue to watch just to say the show sucks.

I guess it keeps the ratings up, though. :rolleyes:

[RDK006]

Season 6 could have been so great... in China. What a blown opportunity! I know there were budgetary concerns... but you know they could have made it work. We really needed a break from CTU. Jack could have finally escaped at the end of season 6, and season 7 could have been what we now have as season six... With a year off, we would have been really psyched to see all the CTU crew again.

I hear this arguement all the time, but it's really quite unreasonable. The show, in its current "24 hour day" format cannot be structured to take place in China. It simply wouldn't work. And to take CTU out of the picture for a year is like saying let's do an entire season of Star Trek with the crew stranded on a single planet. The show is about Jack, the CTU office in L.A., and about terrorist threats involving our country and decisions made by our leaders in the White House. To ask for those fundamental elements to be changed is to ask for another show entirely.

As for the whole Audrey/China thing, I'm betting that's what the feature film will be about. A vengeful Jack vs. one billion Chinese... :D

[Stryker412]

…and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Really, I don't get why people continue to watch just to say the show sucks.

I guess it keeps the ratings up, though. :rolleyes:

I watch because I've invested 5 years to not watch anymore, but if you don't think this show has gone downhill this year you're deluding yourself.

[VisionOn]

Most of the West coast has been irradiated over the past few seasons and if Cy Tolliver gets his way the rest of the world is going to get pretty hot as well. At the current rate the terrorists won't have much work to do next season. Jack can take some time off.

Maybe the presidential doctor can catch up with his urgent paperwork.

[CPanther95]

There's plenty more places left on the West Coast to screw with. ;)

[kucharsk]

I watch because I've invested 5 years to not watch anymore, but if you don't think this show has gone downhill this year you're deluding yourself.There are elements that I'm not happy with, but I'm not about to say the show sucks now, either.

But then many here would say I have no taste anyway, as I still consider this season to be light years ahead of season one, and I've yet to see anything this year that compares to Kim and the cougar. :D

I also think season five was the best season yet, better even than the beloved season four.

[noleintheburg]

If this were the first season, I'd say the show isn't bad at all....but season 6 to me, it seems everyone is tired.

Jack suddenly looks very old and mortal (Kind of like Mel Gibson by Lethal Weapon 4).

Now I do think with the Audrey plot-line (Okay who here really believes she is dead?), and the mole (Yes been done before, but I have a feeling there is a whole lot more going on than meets the eye) gives me hope.

The thing is, in previous seasons we have had 3-4 weeks of crap, then all of a sudden Bam you get hit right across the eyes.

[jonnythan]

That was just some throw-away writing, he's the doctor for arguably the most important man in the world, yet he needed to be someplace else, I was LMAO at that scene.

I really think they ought to start using dialogue balloons like they do in comics, this show has gone so far over the top.
Uh..

Maybe he had to be in a meeting with his team of doctors and specialists about how exactly to handle the President's condition and not out shooting the breeze with a member of the President's staff.

[NetworkTV]

I hear this arguement all the time, but it's really quite unreasonable. The show, in its current "24 hour day" format cannot be structured to take place in China. It simply wouldn't work.
Are you saying time doesn't function the same in China? Why couldn't it work? It opens a whole new door up for Jack to play covert agent as he gets himself out of there. We could introduce other characters who provide assistance to him and even have him stop a plot against the Chinese government after he locates and makes contact with a local CTU agent. There could be the whole moral dillema thing as Jack tries to decide whether he should aid people that captured and tortured him.

And to take CTU out of the picture for a year is like saying let's do an entire season of Star Trek with the crew stranded on a single planet.
...Or located almost entirely on a space station, or maybe on a small ship stranded 70,000 lightyears in the Delta Quadrant?

Most of the CTU folks from earlier seasons are gone, now. Why not use the oppurtunity to bring in some fresh faces?

The show is about Jack, the CTU office in L.A., and about terrorist threats involving our country and decisions made by our leaders in the White House. To ask for those fundamental elements to be changed is to ask for another show entirely.
As opposed to the exact same plot elements every single season?

The fact is, in China, you could really mix things up. Jack would be really on his own (he ends up going rougue every season, anyway) without CTU support, he would have to be sly and even more ruthless to get what he needs.

From there, we could allow him to get to allied assistance in London - which could take us to the next season with a cliff-hanger blast at the American Embassy there in the final seconds of this season.

[Iteki]

...Or located almost entirely on a space station, or maybe on a small ship stranded 70,000 lightyears in the Delta Quadrant?



Kind of proves the other poster's point...neither of those shows did particulary well (although I watched both from start to finish, avid trekker that I was).

[NetworkTV]

Kind of proves the other poster's point...neither of those shows did particulary well (although I watched both from start to finish, avid trekker that I was).
Both of those shows lasted 7 seasons - longer than the original and as long as TNG. DS9 actually did well in syndication. Voyager suffered from no one watching UPN.

[VisionOn]

As opposed to the exact same plot elements every single season?

The fact is, in China, you could really mix things up. Jack would be really on his own (he ends up going rougue every season, anyway) without CTU support, he would have to be sly and even more ruthless to get what he needs.

I for one have had enough of the terrorists and their over the top schemes. The bad guys are becoming ridiculous caricatures. It won't be long before terrorists hijack a fricking laser beam on the moon to disintegrate LA.

There's a million plotlines they could be doing in a real time format with Jack chasing bad guys or being pursued by them. I'm hoping next season they scale back the convoluted schemes and insane presidents and concentrate on making tense, down to earth action drama.

[jasonblair]

Then don't watch… bye.Whatever, man. You must be the guy who euthanizes his dog because he gets boring after 5 years of bringing you joy and fun! Or the guy who divorces his wife because her cooking has been pretty bad lately!

We all want 24 to be a great show. It's been so good to us over the years. My late sister and I ALWAYS got together on Tuesdays/Mondays to watch it. When she died midway through season 3, my mom actually asked me "Do you think God will let her know how season 3 turned out?"

But don't sit here and tell me that you think season 6 is just super. If you think so, you haven't been watching the show since the beginning. Get off your high horse.

[jonnythan]

But don't sit here and tell me that you think season 6 is just super. If you think so, you haven't been watching the show since the beginning. Get off your high horse.
I do, and I have.

[jasonblair]

I hear this arguement all the time, but it's really quite unreasonable. The show, in its current "24 hour day" format cannot be structured to take place in China. It simply wouldn't work. The last time I checked, a day in China also lasts 24 hours.

The show is about Jack, the CTU office in L.A., and about terrorist threats involving our country and decisions made by our leaders in the White House. To ask for those fundamental elements to be changed is to ask for another show entirely.2 points...

1) Season one NEVER had ANYTHING to do with "decisions made by our leaders in the White House"

2) The show is about Jack... period. CTU has always been there as a support for Jack. Once again, I take you back to Season one. The storyline of Jack trying to find and rescue his daughter was arguably the more central and riveting story arc. It wasn't until much later in the series that viewers really cared for David Palmer.

So yes... the show could (and should) work with Jack alone.

[Aliens]

Week of March 4 – Out of top 20

The top 6 shows that week:

1. American Idol - Tues (FOX)
2. American Idol - Weds (FOX)
3. American Idol - Thurs (FOX)
4. Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader? - Tues (FOX)
5. Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader? - Thurs (FOX)
6. Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader? - Weds (FOX)

Are You Friggin’ Kidding Me? I can’t discuss what I think of the mentality of the American public, but I think you can get a pretty good idea.

Week of March 11 – 16th
Week of March 18 – 12th

Judging from the top 6 shows for the week of March 4, I think we can safely say; the rise of 24 isn’t necessarily a good sign. ;)

[SbWillie]

Week of March 4 – Out of top 20

The top 6 shows that week:

1. American Idol - Tues (FOX)
2. American Idol - Weds (FOX)
3. American Idol - Thurs (FOX)
4. Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader? - Tues (FOX)
5. Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader? - Thurs (FOX)
6. Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader? - Weds (FOX)

Are You Friggin’ Kidding Me? I can’t discuss what I think of the mentality of the American public, but I think you can get a pretty good idea.

Week of March 11 – 16th
Week of March 18 – 12th

Judging from the top 6 shows for the week of March 4, I think we can safely say; the rise of 24 isn’t necessarily a good sign. ;)

Especially when the show is going down the toilet idea wise....I used to be hooked on this show now it's laughable! :rolleyes:

[Iteki]

Both of those shows lasted 7 seasons - longer than the original and as long as TNG. DS9 actually did well in syndication. Voyager suffered from no one watching UPN.

Only because Paramount wanted a vault of syndicated eps to offset the costs of both series' production. They were ratings tankers, especially compared to STNG. Die hards like myself watched, but noone else did. STNG had people who HATED science fiction watching every week. They hit the chemistry jackpot around the 3rd season and built from there.

I will give Voyager this: their pilot was better than any other ST series other than the original.

[McDonoughDawg]

If you don't like it, moving on would be better than coming on here and poopooing all over the folks trying to enjoy it.

It is what it is.

[R11]

24 has been outrageous and over the top from day 1. That's part of it's charm. If it weren't, it wouldn't be 24...

I don't know, a ticking clock with Chinese numbers just wouldn't be the same for me.

And to heck with Audrey, CURTIS IS STILL ALIVE! I swear he was breathing...

When she died midway through season 3, my mom actually asked me "Do you think God will let her know how season 3 turned out?"Ok, this is a little heavy for a 24 thread. No disrespect intended, but this just doesn't seem right. I'm not religious, but I was under the impression that you get everything you want in heaven. I mean, couldn't God just fire up the virtual reality 24 program and let her "enter" the end of season 3 and see it "live" for herself? Hmm, sounds kind of intriguing actually. "Kim, follow me! I'll save you from that cougar!" ;)



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[kucharsk]

Whatever, man. You must be the guy who euthanizes his dog because he gets boring after 5 years of bringing you joy and fun! Or the guy who divorces his wife because her cooking has been pretty bad lately!

You've obviously quoted the wrong person, not me.

My attitude is that if all of you think the show sucks, stop watching it.

Those of us who enjoy it are sick of the same old "The show isn't as good as it was in season x" comments. They're not going to change anything and are annoying to those of us (gasp!) enjoying season six.

[lax01]

Lets set something straight...nobody is enjoying season 6

[jonnythan]

Lets set something straight...nobody is enjoying season 6
I am. I love it.

Get over yourself.

[IAM4UK]

Lets set something straight...nobody is enjoying season 6
I am. Your statement is ridiculous hyperbole.

[Iteki]

Bad 24 is better than most shows...I'm not riveted like I normally am, but I'm not getting off the bus anytime soon :-)

[RDK006]

Count me among those still enjoying the show.

[oleus]

Count me among those still enjoying the show.

i'm still enjoying it too, but it certainly seems a bit "dumbed down" this season even by its own comic-book-action standards.

when you take into account how well LOST has gotten back on track, it makes me hope for the same on 24.

[Steve Schauer]

Bad 24 is better than most shows...I'm not riveted like I normally am, but I'm not getting off the bus anytime soon :-)
Me neither.

Although, I like it best when it's over the top. All I'm asking for is some throat-biting neck-chunk-spitting action, maniac evil backstabbing politicians, Jack outrunning explosions (man he can run fast when he needs to), innocent bystanders getting shot in the knee now and then only when really necessary, and a babe in distress and her clothes get torn a little.

[NetworkTV]

I'm still hooked, but not as securely anymore. I watch it the next day since I like to bounce over the commercials (thank you 30 second skip forward).

Here's the thing: I used to watch 24 first thing, before any other show. Then I'd hit Prison Break. Now, I usually watch other stuff before getting to those shows. I still enjoy it, but I don't have that drive to want to know what happens next. I almost feel like I already know.

The first few seasons kept me quessing since the plotlines were still new. The last couple, everything was the same old thing and it was the "what crazy thing is Jack going to do next" thing that kept me watching. Now, we have a predictable story and a neutered Jack Bauer. Since I've already seen this much of the season, I'll see it through until the end, though.

However, next season, if there's a three-way tie between 24 and two other really good shows, my tuners go to the other choices. I might change my opinion if they get the show out of LA for once, but I don't see that happening.

Right now, my feeling on 24 is close to the way I felt about later seasons of The X-Files. I still watched because it was still entertaining, but it was a shell of its former self that I wouldn't have missed if it were cancelled earlier.

[WilliamR]

Lets set something straight...nobody is enjoying season 6

I love it. I anxiously await each week's new episode and stay glued to the screen.

[humdinger70]

Anyone want to venture a guess when we see the next nuke go off? (I think we gotta have more than just the one in hour 4). Anyone want to bet that it'll be one of ours, ordered set off by this nutso VP?

[NetworkTV]

I love it. I anxiously await each week's new episode and stay glued to the screen.

You shouldn't do that. You'll ruin your eyes and get glue all over the screen...

[Harley_Dude]

Bad 24 is better than most shows...I'm not riveted like I normally am, but I'm not getting off the bus anytime soon :-)

Pretty much sums up where I'm at as well.

[kucharsk]

Lets set something straight...nobody is enjoying season 6Please… I anxiously await each week's episode.

As I said, if you no longer enjoy it, watch something else. If season foo was the ultimate season for you, be sure to buy the DVDs and watch those instead.

[lax01]

Season 1 and 2 were great 24....Season 3 was good....Season 4 was ok...Season 5 was decent but average...Season 6 is horrendously, monkey-written, poorly-laid out, and just overly crappy

[steverobertson]

Please… I anxiously await each week's episode.

As I said, if you no longer enjoy it, watch something else. If season foo was the ultimate season for you, be sure to buy the DVDs and watch those instead.

Thank you I agree with you if you don't like it why watch it I just don't get it

[oleus]

Season 1 and 2 were great 24....Season 3 was good....Season 4 was ok...Season 5 was decent but average...Season 6 is horrendously, monkey-written, poorly-laid out, and just overly crappy

i'd say this season still is not as ridiculous as season 2.

[NetworkTV]

I say bring back the couger. He and Ricky could throw down....

[oleus]

I say bring back the couger. He and Ricky could throw down....

hey, i'm not saying i didn't love the cougar, crazy kevin dillon, crazy dad, kim (need i say more) - but i still think this season is more grounded in reality than that one. and that is saying a lot!

season 2 is high camp, very entertaining - but for me season 3 was a great return to form and the best season we've seen of the show since.

[kucharsk]

hey, i'm not saying i didn't love the cougar, crazy kevin dillon, crazy dad, kim (need i say more) - but i still think this season is more grounded in reality than that one. and that is saying a lot!

season 2 is high camp, very entertaining - but for me season 3 was a great return to form and the best season we've seen of the show since.See, that's where we have to agree to disagree.

I personally found season 3 tedious and annoying. As I've mentioned before, my favorite to date is season 5, with season 4 a close second; season 2 was OK but season 1 was just painful; I've often stated that if I had seen season 1 on TV instead of forcing myself to watch the DVDs as a prelude to watching future seasons, I never would have tuned in again.

[CPanther95]

My preference:
Day 1 (Hours: 1-12)
Day 4
Day 3
Day 5
Day 2
Day 1 (Hours 13-24)


Day 6 is too soon to tell, but likely end up somewhere below Day 5.

[IAM4UK]

CP, didn't you think Day 1, Hour 24 was earth-shattering for TV?

[CPanther95]

CP, didn't you think Day 1, Hour 24 was earth-shattering for TV?

One of the best hours on TV and probably 24's top hour. However, I was looking more at the overall story arc, and only divided Day 1 up because there were 2 clear sections brought on by them not knowing if it would be picked up for the second half - then scrambling once it was.

BTW - some spoilers removed. Those would definitely be considered major spoilers, just like if someone told you that something unbelieveable would happen in Day 1, Hour 24 - even if they didn't reveal what it was. Just prior to the event you'd know what was about to happen.

Think if someone said about Sixth Sense: "There's a major twist at the end that will shock the hell out of you - I won't tell you what it is, but it catches you totally off guard". I don't know about others, but that would have completely ruined the movie for me. Surprise twists become only twists if you eliminate the surprise.

Hopefully, I removed them before too many saw them - I apologize for not catching them sooner. Now, if I can just get myself to forget them. :mad:

[noleintheburg]

Damn...sorry about that....I thought they were vague enough, you're right.

[WirelessGuru]

Week of March 4 – Out of top 20

The top 6 shows that week:

1. American Idol - Tues (FOX)
2. American Idol - Weds (FOX)
3. American Idol - Thurs (FOX)
4. Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader? - Tues (FOX)
5. Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader? - Thurs (FOX)
6. Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader? - Weds (FOX)

Are You Friggin’ Kidding Me? I can’t discuss what I think of the mentality of the American public, but I think you can get a pretty good idea.

Week of March 11 – 16th
Week of March 18 – 12th

Judging from the top 6 shows for the week of March 4, I think we can safely say; the rise of 24 isn’t necessarily a good sign. ;)The people watching must not be smarter than a 5th grader. I watched that show and it was 90% commercials and then it was over.

Although, I have to agree with many others that this season of "24" (especially the last 5 or 6 episodes) is the worst we have seen from this series. I've been very disappointed in the season thus far.

[jasonblair]

I'd have to rank them like this:

1) Season 1 - unlike anything previously on television
2) Season 4 - New "higher action" formula. Bonus points: William Devane
3) Season 2 - We're introduced to "Badass" Jack... my wife is dead, and I am out for blood.
4) Season 5 - bonus points: Jack shooting Robocop's wife, negative points: waiting for Tony to wake up and avenge Michelle, and instead having it go the other way
5) Season 3 - bonus points: shooting Chappelle, negative points: Sherri Palmer storyline bogged the story down... and the Tony saving Michelle by helping the terrorists storyline was just a rehash of Jack doing the same for his family in previous seasons.
6) Season 6 - We've seen it all before. Chloe has nothing to do... and there's not enough Jack.

[kgeorge78]

nadias not a spy - wow big surprise!

[lax01]

*watches the toilet bowl drain*

lol just when you thought 24 couldn't get any lower...

This season is laughable...

[Mike4HDTV]

Rain Man helped Jack tonight. Okay episode tonight.

[McDonoughDawg]

*watches the toilet bowl drain*

lol just when you thought 24 couldn't get any lower...

This season is laughable...

Again, why waste your precious time?

I enjoyed the show tonight myself.

[lax01]

Again, why waste your precious time?

I enjoyed the show tonight myself.

because, like others, I will not stand by and let 24 become the wasteland for idiot America (this writing is just god awful, come on)...we will complain until the show ends and then patiently wait for next season to start complaining MORE! WHOS WITH ME?!?!

[kucharsk]

because, like others, I will not stand by and let 24 become the wasteland for idiot America (this writing is just god awful, come on)...we will complain until the show ends and then patiently wait for next season to start complaining MORE! WHOS WITH ME?!?!Please do; I'm sure they'll change their plans just for you. ;)

Meanwhile the rest of us will continue to enjoy 24.

[roscoe1972]

Nadia looked pretty good considering she was semi-tortured. What did ya think of that kiss? I had to laugh as it was so out of line with the tone of the show.

[lacombo]

That kiss was some of the worst acting the show has ever had but it went right along with him taking off the brace and not hitting Ricky who is just as unbelievable.

has a 7th season been approved yet??? I hope if so, they get a new writing and directing crew.

this is going down faster than X-Files.

It would be nice to break off the usual terrorist threat and let jack go after who killed Audry.

[jadkins555]

Nadia looked pretty good considering she was semi-tortured. What did ya think of that kiss? I had to laugh as it was so out of line with the tone of the show.

I laughed because Bill Buchanan asked her not to sue CTU for what happened, and then immediately after she could sue for sexual harassment. She could retire with all the money she would collect.

[lax01]

I laughed because Bill Buchanan asked her not to sue CTU for what happened, and then immediately after she could sue for sexual harassment. She could retire with all the money she would collect.

lol she's having a tough couple of hours...torture, sexually assualted...I loled at the kiss...that was terrible

[jonnythan]

I can't even read this thread anymore because of the people doing nothing but poo-pooing all over the show I'm trying to enjoy and talk about. It seriously pisses me off that this thread is nothing but people being extremely negative about a show I love to watch and discuss. IMO if you're not enjoying it, say so, and keep it to yourself and quit ruining it for everyone else who IS enjoying it.

I hope you guys know how damn annoying and frustrating your behavior is.

Take it easy.

[romanesq]

Nadia looked pretty good considering she was semi-tortured. What did ya think of that kiss? I had to laugh as it was so out of line with the tone of the show.

Considering the problem with obesity in America, Nadia was a picture perfect postcard despite being handcuffed, slapped around and not allowed to go potty for a while.

And then that stupid Milo sex attack on the job. WTF was that? I found myself yelling out loud, "Get the &*% out of here!" repeatedly.

Someone must have been overuled in the writer's meeting who suggested she slap him.
Milo's redemption to get back on track with her is utterly ridiculous.
But then again, maybe Nadia is suffering from Scientology programming.

Oh yeah, that's her real life. :p

[romanesq]

I can't even read this thread anymore because of the people doing nothing but poo-pooing all over the show I'm trying to enjoy and talk about. It seriously pisses me off that this thread is nothing but people being extremely negative about a show I love to watch and discuss. IMO if you're not enjoying it, say so, and keep it to yourself and quit ruining it for everyone else who IS enjoying it.

I hope you guys know how damn annoying and frustrating your behavior is.

Take it easy.

Maybe they should bring back Marwan because that guy had you wanting more each and every week. But this melodrama stuff is just going too far. That and the simpleton johnny one note Vice President act.

Yeah, it gets tired, and you want to blame the victim. :confused:

[jonnythan]

Maybe they should bring back Marwan because that guy had you wanting more each and every week. But this melodrama stuff is just going too far. That and the simpleton johnny one note Vice President act.

Yeah, it gets tired, and you want to blame the victim. :confused:
I'm not blaming any "victims."

I'm blaming the people who spew nothing but excess negativity into this thread over and over. I enjoyed this episode and would have liked to discuss it in a civil manner, but it's impossible with everyone doing nothing but ridiculing the show. It sucks. I used to love reading the AVS thread on 24, but now the thread is nothing but BS and it's depressing.

[thecodeman]

I thought it was the first episode in a while that after the slow start, had me glued to the set and then waiting eagerly for next week's episode without ruining it in the previews. Good job 24.

[Tom Imp]

I still like the show. Hell, I think it's the best thing on TV today, but the writing is getting sloppier.

For Christ's sake, Wayne Palmer was on his death bed 2-3 hours ago and now he's up like nothing happened and is ready to resume his duties as President. Remind me to get that doctor the next time I'm sick.

[WERA689]

I still like the show. Hell, I think it's the best thing on TV today, but the writing is getting sloppier.

For Christ's sake, Wayne Palmer was on his death bed 2-3 hours ago and now he's up like nothing happened and is ready to resume his duties as President. Remind me to get that doctor the next time I'm sick.


You'll recall that Tony was able to pull off the same kind of recovery after being shot in the jugular. So what?

[Tom Imp]

I'd say shot in the jugular and receiving shrapnel from being 10 feet away from a bomb are not in the same league.

[RDK006]

It would be nice to break off the usual terrorist threat and let jack go after who killed Audry.
"The usual terrorist threat?" The show is about Counter Terrorism Unit agents hunting down terrorists. :confused:

[WERA689]

I'd say shot in the jugular and receiving shrapnel from being 10 feet away from a bomb are not in the same league.

Really? I'm no doctor (though I play one on the interwebs), but I would think that the only thing deadlier than a bullet in the jugular, is one in the aorta/heart itself! But what do I know? :rolleyes:

[WilliamR]

Okay episode. I kept laughing/smiling watching Jake all of sudden talking and being all nice to the autistic kid. It was weird seeing him like that. Nice transition when he says good bye to him and he realizes he has to go back to bad Jack. He shakes it off and goes in to the Russian. Pretty cool.

A few unbelievable things in this episode but this is 24, if you are still watching it after all these seasons, I highly doubt you would think it is going to be totally believable.

[Aliens]

Sexually assaulted? The way I saw it, Nadia was a willing participant. The sexual tension between the two had been building for some time. She wasn’t struggling to get away from Milo, she was enjoying it until she snapped out of it and remembered she felt betrayed by him. The odd thing about the kiss was where it took place - out in the open and not in some dark corridor where they usually do that sort of thing - they could’ve been dismissed on the spot for that. Of course dismissing them during a major crisis wouldn’t be “for the good of the country,” so I’m sure they would have been given a reprieve until the task at hand was completed.

[jpco]

Sexually assaulted? The way I saw it, Nadia was a willing participant. The sexual tension between the two had been building for some time. She wasn’t struggling to get away from Milo, she was enjoying it until she snapped out of it and remembered she felt betrayed by him.

Yeah, that Milo is sharp. I've never been very good at anticipating that right moment when you go to kiss a coworker, she pulls away, and you violently grab her neck and forcefully bring her lips to yours. It's good that Milo was able to tell she'd be a willing participant. If not, he'd probably be going to jail.

[Iteki]

Sexually assaulted? The way I saw it, Nadia was a willing participant. The sexual tension between the two had been building for some time.


Well she did tell him to 'leave her alone' 'now isn't the time', etc. 10 years ago he could have done exactly what he did and most of the audience would have gone "AWwwwwwww.....", now he's a criminal. :-)

[Iteki]

Okay episode. I kept laughing/smiling watching Jake all of sudden talking and being all nice to the autistic kid. It was weird seeing him like that. Nice transition when he says good bye to him and he realizes he has to go back to bad Jack. He shakes it off and goes in to the Russian. Pretty cool.

I have been so warped by the show that I was waiting for him to torture Rainman. :-)

"WHERE'S GREDENKO?!?!?! I'M NOT BUYING THIS 'SPECIAL NEEDS' SH!t!"

Seeing him talk to him like a child and seem like a human being again was jarring. At least there's still a human in there somewhere.


A few unbelievable things in this episode but this is 24, if you are still watching it after all these seasons, I highly doubt you would think it is going to be totally believable.

Amen...if people want to be negative about the show, email the network...I really don't care for all the griping. It doesn't 'improve' the show or the experience of watching it, it just lessens the experience for the rest of us.

There are several posters on this thread that do the EXACT same things on other threads (LOST is a good example). They scream that the 'sky is falling' whenever the quality drops off and warn that they are 'done'...yet come back EVERY WEEK to gripe some more. If someone doesn't enjoy the show anymore, by all means stop watching....and quit posting :-)

[Iteki]

I thought it was the first episode in a while that after the slow start, had me glued to the set and then waiting eagerly for next week's episode without ruining it in the previews. Good job 24.

I enjoyed the ep as well...the hour was up before I knew it.

[Iteki]

Rain Man helped Jack tonight. Okay episode tonight.

LOL I used that exact same phrase when watching the show live....I kept waiting for him to make Jack take him to K-Mart for some new underwear. "DEFINITELY"

[d2s2]

I'm sorry, but the 8:00 PM - 9:00 PM hour was one of the worst-written shows (co-written by Manny Cato and Howard Gordon). Let's see if we can re-hash:

1) Capturing Gredenko, asking him where the bombs are, and having Gredenko ask for immunity and a promise not to be deported. Didn't we see this in Days 2, 3, 4 and 5? We just don't know if the "24" government will capitulate, again, and give the terrorists what they want (Jack needs to get out the hacksaw).
2) Having the President miraculously recover from an explosion that us mere-mortals would have probably suffered debilitating injuries for at least a week, then (according to the previews for the 9:00 PM - 10:00 PM hour) getting fully dressed and taking back his job. Didn't we see elements of this in Day 5 with Tony?
3) Having the Vice-President disagree with the President on policy and planning on invoking the 25th Amendment to remove the President (at least temporarily) from office. This was done in Day 3 with David Palmer's VP.
4) Bringing in the "Rain Man" character. The only "original" element (meaning there hasn't been an idiot savant character in the 24 series), but still something that made you go "you have got to be kidding".

I'll keep watching, but this day has been disappointing....

[romanesq]

Well she did tell him to 'leave her alone' 'now isn't the time', etc. 10 years ago he could have done exactly what he did and most of the audience would have gone "AWwwwwwww.....", now he's a criminal. :-)

Since they are such essential personnel, they could do a porn scene right there in the workplace and of course since they are so critical to the job, they could just get dressed and return to their desk.

Isn't that what every girl does after being locked up, slapped around on the job? :p

[Iteki]

Since they are such essential personnel, they could do a porn scene right there in the workplace and of course since they are so critical to the job, they could just get dressed and return to their desk.

Isn't that what every girl does after being locked up, slapped around on the job? :p

No, she would then realize that she was wasting her life trying to fit into the 'man's world' and go home, get pregnant, and be the housewife she was destined to be, while her man Milo took care of business at CTU. :-)

EDIT: For that to work, it would have to be 20 years ago....maybe even thirty :-)

[Aliens]

I've never been very good at anticipating that right moment when you go to kiss a coworker, she pulls away, and you violently grab her neck and forcefully bring her lips to yours.

It isn't like they didn’t have any sexual chemistry between each other. If ‘The Champ’ were to go over and lay one on Chloe, then that would be different. :eek: Incidentally, that is how some of the best sex you will ever have starts. Passion like nothing else - highly recommended. :)

[John Chu]

[QUOTE=jonnythan]I can't even read this thread anymore because of the people doing nothing but poo-pooing all over the show I'm trying to enjoy and talk about. [QUOTE]


Then don't read it. Bye! ;)



Everyone here in this thread obviously watches the show--we're all fans of "24"

I don't get how people get so easily "offended" just because someone has differring view.

We all want "24" to be the best show it can be.

[VisionOn]

I have been so warped by the show that I was waiting for him to torture Rainman. :-)

"WHERE'S GREDENKO?!?!?! I'M NOT BUYING THIS 'SPECIAL NEEDS' SH!t!"

Seeing him talk to him like a child and seem like a human being again was jarring. At least there's still a human in there somewhere.


Same here, I thought "Oh my god, they are going to have Jack torture the nice autistic kid to further prove his determination!" :rolleyes:

Having Jack not torture someone makes a nice change this season. Which is probably why I thought last night's ep was the best in a long time. Small scale sting operation with some nice tension and action. I could never be sure if the computer kid was going to get shot in the head, either by CTU or the bad guys.

The only part which I thought was crap was Powers Boothe going completely off his meds. The Biscuit will do everything he can to get his policy on the table at the expense of President Wayne, but when the vice president goes batshit and starts throwing nukes in the air he doesn't do anything!

[jasonblair]

I have been so warped by the show that I was waiting for him to torture Rainman. :-)That's the ONE THING this show still has going for it... I was watching it with my wife last night, and I said "You know any other other show, the autistic guy would be safe. I wouldn't be surprised is he gets killed tonight." She agreed. 24 still has its past going for it!

(I still feel like they took the easy road when they showed that they only FAKED the killing of the terrorists' kid back in season... 2?.. 3? I forget which season. I remember watching it thinking "WOW! The GOOD GUYS actually murdered a KID on a national television show!")

[VisionOn]

That's the ONE THING this show still has going for it...

yep, no other show on TV kills characters quite like 24!

Jack is like the official Angel of Death so I think he's going to live forever. If you know Jack however, your next birthday might never arrive.

[Iteki]

yep, no other show on TV kills characters quite like 24!

Jack is like the official Angel of Death so I think he's going to live forever. If you know Jack however, your next birthday might never arrive.

I know...I don't even want to go to the same BLOCKBUSTER VIDEO as Jack...let alone know him personally. Netflix baby!

[Aliens]

The only part which I thought was crap was Powers Boothe going completely off his meds. The Biscuit will do everything he can to get his policy on the table at the expense of President Wayne, but when the vice president goes batshit and starts throwing nukes in the air he doesn't do anything!
The VP has him around the balls because of the attempt on the president. At any time, Daniels could say he found out Lennox was part of the plot to kill the president and Lennox’s word is his only defense – not good. In order to keep his name clear, Lennox has kept quiet about the assassination attempt, and lied to the ambassador about it as well. The longer this charade goes on, the deeper he gets and makes it more difficult to tell the truth. Eventually he’ll talk. He can’t keep squirming in that chair and picking his jaw up from the floor for so long.

[Steve Schauer]

I think the bitching about the bitching takes up a few more posts than the actual bitching.

I never knew there was such a thing as a firewall savant.

If Gredenko ever gets a next time, he should consider just pulling up to the kid and rolling the window down instead of getting out.

Aliens thanks for the tip. :D

[RDK006]

I'm looking forward to the spin-off series for next season: Jack and the Rainman. Kinda like Numb3rs, only edgier. Much edgier.

[roscoe1972]

Griping about the show is fun. I also find other's complaints entertaining.

[Viventis]

I wish Kari Matchett (Dr. Underlay from "Invasion") would get more screen time. I'm disappointed that she is a toadie for the VP.

[noleintheburg]

I am trying to remember who annoys me, Milo or Morris...or maybe it was the Silver Spoons kid....I can't remember.

[lax01]

I'm looking forward to the spin-off series for next season: Jack and the Rainman. Kinda like Numb3rs, only edgier. Much edgier.

Speaking of Edgar (;)), which CTU person do you think is going to die this year when the terrorists attack CTU?

[jim1959]

Speaking of Edgar (;)), which CTU person do you think is going to die this year when the terrorists attack CTU?

Chloe.... during another breath test. ...and waiting for security updates to load during only the most horrific day of the century. Must be running Vista!

[VisionOn]

Speaking of Edgar (;)), which CTU person do you think is going to die this year when the terrorists attack CTU?

Wouldn't it be easier to list who won't die?

Er. Chloe. One of the extras in the back who sits at a monitor ...

[mbird]

I'm sorry, but the 8:00 PM - 9:00 PM hour was one of the worst-written shows (co-written by Manny Cato and Howard Gordon). Let's see if we can re-hash:

1) Capturing Gredenko, asking him where the bombs are, and having Gredenko ask for immunity and a promise not to be deported. Didn't we see this in Days 2, 3, 4 and 5? We just don't know if the "24" government will capitulate, again, and give the terrorists what they want (Jack needs to get out the hacksaw).
2) Having the President miraculously recover from an explosion that us mere-mortals would have probably suffered debilitating injuries for at least a week, then (according to the previews for the 9:00 PM - 10:00 PM hour) getting fully dressed and taking back his job. Didn't we see elements of this in Day 5 with Tony?
3) Having the Vice-President disagree with the President on policy and planning on invoking the 25th Amendment to remove the President (at least temporarily) from office. This was done in Day 3 with David Palmer's VP.
4) Bringing in the "Rain Man" character. The only "original" element (meaning there hasn't been an idiot savant character in the 24 series), but still something that made you go "you have got to be kidding".

I'll keep watching, but this day has been disappointing....
Sadly I have to agree. The writing is poor, the plot overly familiar ... some parts are kinda fun but as a whole it has gone downhill. Sorry if my opinion pisses off some of the show's enthusiasts (I am one myself!) but I don't really like the show right now.

Then again, I'm currently kind of depressed that the best show on TV, Rome, came to an end last Sunday. :(

Now that was TV at its finest ... without all the commercial breaks or sprint ads for 24 cell phones. :rolleyes:

[romanesq]

It isn't like they didn’t have any sexual chemistry between each other. If ‘The Champ’ were to go over and lay one on Chloe, then that would be different. :eek: Incidentally, that is how some of the best sex you will ever have starts. Passion like nothing else - highly recommended. :)

Guess I'm a little too rigid. I always think of the workplace as somewhere to work.
Not for having sex. But I guess that's just me. :rolleyes:

[NetworkTV]

Sadly I have to agree. The writing is poor, the plot overly familiar ... some parts are kinda fun but as a whole it has gone downhill. Sorry if my opinion pisses off some of the show's enthusiasts (I am one myself!) but I don't really like the show right now.
The worst part is, we might as well see it to the end - like it or not. It's like getting 3/4 the way across the street, then saying "aw, screw it, I'm too tired to go the rest of the way".

[Steve Schauer]

Are you referring to Aliens' post, or 24 in general? :)

[NetworkTV]

Are you referring to Aliens' post, or 24 in general? :)
Are you referring to my referring or is this in reference to someone else?

[bobby94928]

Guess I'm a little too rigid. I always think of the workplace as somewhere to work.
Not for having sex. But I guess that's just me. :rolleyes:

I don't know, in my long gone past, I had some serious lip-locking going on at work. The sex, however, came later at a different spot. :D

[Aliens]

Guys, its 24, lets not take this too seriously. I’m not advocating sex at work, or kissing for that matter (even tho I’m guilty). My only point was I didn’t see it as a sexual assault. A little rough to start maybe, but hey, she got into it. I know I was captivated. :)

[Scallica]

I'm sorry, but the 8:00 PM - 9:00 PM hour was one of the worst-written shows (co-written by Manny Cato and Howard Gordon). Let's see if we can re-hash:

1) Capturing Gredenko, asking him where the bombs are, and having Gredenko ask for immunity and a promise not to be deported. Didn't we see this in Days 2, 3, 4 and 5? We just don't know if the "24" government will capitulate, again, and give the terrorists what they want (Jack needs to get out the hacksaw).
2) Having the President miraculously recover from an explosion that us mere-mortals would have probably suffered debilitating injuries for at least a week, then (according to the previews for the 9:00 PM - 10:00 PM hour) getting fully dressed and taking back his job. Didn't we see elements of this in Day 5 with Tony?
3) Having the Vice-President disagree with the President on policy and planning on invoking the 25th Amendment to remove the President (at least temporarily) from office. This was done in Day 3 with David Palmer's VP.
4) Bringing in the "Rain Man" character. The only "original" element (meaning there hasn't been an idiot savant character in the 24 series), but still something that made you go "you have got to be kidding".

I'll keep watching, but this day has been disappointing....

5) Having the President go from a coma/cardiac arrest to fully alert and coherent within 5 minutes.

[Tom Imp]

5) Having the President go from a coma/cardiac arrest to fully alert and coherent within 5 minutes.

Thank you!

[VisionOn]

5) Having the President go from a coma/cardiac arrest to fully alert and coherent within 5 minutes.

yeah but don't forget, 24 is set in a whacky future and the President gets the best medical care in the world. None of this wheel 'em in and wheel 'em out treatment. They probably injected him with nanobots or something.

Unfortunately they still don't seem to be able to treat him for his charisma deficit, but at least he's alive!

[lacombo]

It really is funny as hell to see people get mad cause of different opinions, especially on the net over a tv show. but sometimes you do try to get people out that coma asap on purpose ( ;) )

when you watch a show from jump, you really do see the downfall or sloppy sections. People make fun of wrestling and daytime soaps but millions keep watchin with no probs. same here...

so voice your opinion and be happy without reading the other side.

this small forum section is way better than getting LOST (pun intended) in the official site gook.

[d2s2]

5) Having the President go from a coma/cardiac arrest to fully alert and coherent within 5 minutes.

See my #2 item. Thanks.

[Gruson]

It's still a good show but not what it used to be.

After watching Prison Break season 1 on DVD, I feel it has the excitement that 24 used to have.

This season compared to others is lacking for sure. I think a lot of it has to do with the characters. It was a much better show IMO when Tony, President David Palmer, Michelle, etc were in it.

Wayne as the President is a joke.

Oh well, I will still always watch it.

I do love Powers Boothe character though.

[NorthJersey]

Guess I'm a little too rigid. I always think of the workplace as somewhere to work.
Not for having sex. But I guess that's just me. :rolleyes:

the "workplace" in Jersey is a little different from the laidback "workplace" in California, obviously :)

[NorthJersey]

yeah but don't forget, 24 is set in a whacky future and the President gets the best medical care in the world. None of this wheel 'em in and wheel 'em out treatment. They probably injected him with nanobots or something.

Unfortunately they still don't seem to be able to treat him for his charisma deficit, but at least he's alive!

Obviously the White House doctors use the same equipment from Star Trek, such as that can heal Chekov from a Cranial Hemmorhage, in a matter of minutes, from Star Trek 4

[LL3HD]

the "workplace" in Jersey is a little different from the laidback "workplace" in California, obviously :) :cool: Especially if that work place in Jersey is the BaddaBing. :p Oh, that’s another show, can’t wait. ;)

[pretzelkid]

I can't even read this thread anymore because of the people doing nothing but poo-pooing all over the show


ridiculing the ridiculous has been a staple of this thread since Day 1...get it?...Day 1 :D

I think we all watch for the WOOHOO!!! HIGH FIVE!!! moments on this show like designing woman first lady stabbing sad sack Logan in the jugular this season...yea it was telegraphed but it was still HOOT!! worthy

I thought Jack was gonna kneecap Rainman computer wizkid after he yelled the second time for him to go down and then after he put him in the car to take him to see his brother it seemed like he was thinking to himself "I can't believe I didn't get that poor kid killed"...

Still love the Jack Bauer Power Hour!!!

[NorthJersey]

fyi, for you South Park fans out there, tonight's episode is the 24 parody!

[pretzelkid]

The episode is title "the Snuke"

Hillary Clinton makes a campaign stop in South Park. Meanwhile, Cartman believes he's uncovered a terrorist plot.

You will respect my authoritaaaaa!!!!

[bpade]

The episode is title "the Snuke"

Hillary Clinton makes a campaign stop in South Park. Meanwhile, Cartman believes he's uncovered a terrorist plot.

You will respect my authoritaaaaa!!!!

I hope the South Park Jack Bauer takes a vacation day.

[LL3HD]

fyi, for you South Park fans out there, tonight's episode is the 24 parody!That was great! The spoof worked on all levels as per usual for South Park.Too funny. :D

[Harley_Dude]

That was great! The spoof worked on all levels as per usual for South Park.Too funny. :D

Great episode last night! The scene at the end where Kyle questioned Cartman's methods but had to yield that they were effective was classic :D

[LL3HD]

Great episode last night! The scene at the end where Kyle questioned Cartman's methods but had to yield that they were effective was classic :DIt was hyped up all week in the press as a Mrs. Clinton episode. I didn’t know it was going to be a spoof on 24 until NJ posted that info :cool: but it was hysterical with her even though they could have substituted anybody for that part but the real humor was in the 24 spoof. :D

Off the top of my head what comes to mind… I loved all of the phones ringing the same, the digital clocks, the split screens, the computer searches, Cartman talking on the phone right next to the agent…. the apple juice syringe :p ... the Queen :eek: :D It was very funny. :D

[Mike4HDTV]

Good episode tonight. Jack needs more screen time. He was only on tv for around 5 minutes tonight.

It was great when he kicked Fayed in the face and told him to shut up.

[Mike4HDTV]

Based on next week's preview, next week should be very interesting, especially for Jack.

[gtaylor0]

Good episode tonight. Jack needs more screen time. He was only on tv for around 5 minutes tonight.

It was great when he kicked Fayed in the face and told him to shut up.

Thought it was one of the worst - either predictable or just filled with unnecessary or convenient twists - for the sake of it. Not much tension; even the last split screen, usually so effective, felt flat. And what, did the doc shoot Palmer up with testosterone instead of adrenaline?

[lax01]

Everyone on this show has gone insane...

[SbWillie]

Everyone on this show has gone insane...especially the writers....

[kucharsk]

especially the writers....Then stop watching.

Really, do some of you have nothing better to do than watch a show you apparently now hate so much each week?

Go rent something from Blockbuster, do something else, take a walk, read a book, whatever.

Meanwhile the rest of us will continue to enjoy what remains one of the most enjoyable hours on TV each week.

[VisionOn]

I am really missing the President Haysbert years. Everyone in the cabinet is nuts! Next year they need to elect some officials who are not insane. I was expecting Wayne to drop dead at the announcement from the supreme court but I wasn't expecting him to go Strangelove as well. So i'll give the writers credit for coming up with a totally unexpected twist again. Even if it was an eye rolling event. Wayne must be really pissed about the assassination attempt.

I'm still confused why everyone is gunning for Unnamed-muslim-country when they know the Russians are behind the plan.

Too much political backstabbing and not enough Jack tonight. 30 minutes between Jack shouting "We don't have time!" and "Tell me or I'll kill you!" is too long.

[LL3HD]

... one of the most enjoyable hours on TV each week.I’m glad you’re enjoying it. :cool:

All I can say is that I’m ecstatic-- The Shield starts tomorrow and The Sopranos is back on Sunday. I’ve had enough of this sophomoric writing. :rolleyes: I’ll still watch but I’m thinking, I’ll get my dose of real entertainment elsewhere. ;)

[jpco]

Then stop watching.

Really, do some of you have nothing better to do than watch a show you apparently now hate so much each week?

Meanwhile the rest of us will continue to enjoy what remains one of the most enjoyable hours on TV each week.

I like the show and am usually not that critical. However, there was a multitude of completely insane plot devices tonight. There is no longer ANY logic to anything going on. We can't even be sure why anyone is doing anything.

What was Gredenko's plan, anyway? Very strange way to go. And the president? Or Doyle's action with Milo?

Of course, maybe it will all come together in the coming hours, but this episode was hard to take. Sorry if the critiques frustrate you, but they're part of the conversation.

[pedrojunkie]

What was Gredenko's plan, anyway?


Cut his arm off and run like hell obviously... It was the only sane thing to do...

He must have seen Season Three and Chase's escape from the Virus, Or the classic Day two line... 'I'm going to need a hack saw'....

The thing I found odd from the episode was Jack's idea that if they sign the immunity agreement now, if the prez gets taken out of office it will be null and void. Why would that be? Pretty sure it would be regardless of the president's standings after the document is signed. If they aren't fit to be president its too late, the document is signed, right?

[sangs]

All I know is that Gredenko sure ain't no T-Bag! (For all you Prison Break fans as well.) :D

[jasonblair]

Then stop watching...
Meanwhile the rest of us will continue to enjoy what remains one of the most enjoyable hours on TV each week.Your defense of this show is getting tired. And who are these "the rest of us" you always speak of?

I think it's time for a poll thread!

[jasonblair]

I'm just waiting for all of the remaining episodes to be a frantic, race against the clock search for Gredenko... because no one knows he's dead.

Did anyone understand why Gredenko cut off his arm to get away with Fayed, and them IMMEDIATELY outed him in the bar?

Where is Jack's dad?

Will they ever state if Logan died for sure?

NO member of the cabinet would vote against Palmer in real life... it would be career suicide.

Are Keifer Sutherland and Mary Lynn Rajskub still on the show?

Is it just me, or do you remember more panic on the streets in Season 3 after the hotel got gassed than there was in this season after the city got NUKED?

Did next week's preview actually make you worry that Jack's injury would be fatal?

Do you think Locke will blow up the nuclear sub before the missle is launched on "Fayed's country"?

[WilliamR]

This episode was proof positive that it is nothing without Jack on the screen. The first half hour was rather boring. It wasn't until Jack showed up that it got interesting.

So why did the Russian cut his arm off just to betray the Arab anyway? He could of just betrayed him with his arm still on. I didn't understand why he essentially killed himself just to betray him.

[sangs]

This episode was proof positive that it is nothing without Jack on the screen. The first half hour was rather boring. It wasn't until Jack showed up that it got interesting.

So why did the Russian cut his arm off just to betray the Arab anyway? He could of just betrayed him with his arm still on. I didn't understand why he essentially killed himself just to betray him.

I don't think him cutting off his arm had anything to do with saving Fayed. By cutting off his arm CTU couldn't track him anymore.

He could have used a better tourniquet though.

[jasonblair]

Next week on 24... things get hot at the UN for Fayed's Country!

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[Aliens]

The wrong person got their arm cut off. The writers should have lost theirs for this episode - this is getting absurd.


I did a search and found these are the guys writing for 24. Now it all makes sense.
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[jpco]

Did next week's preview actually make you worry that Jack's injury would be fatal?

I doubt it, but with his lack of screen time and with him no longer driving the plot, it kind of feels as thought they're preparing us for the demise of Jack.

[danc8379]

I doubt it, but with his lack of screen time and with him no longer driving the plot, it kind of feels as thought they're preparing us for the demise of Jack.

Is there any chance at all that they're setting up Rick Schroeder to take over the show? I could see Kiefer wanting to fade into the background and Schroder's actions are either trying to get us to really like him, or setting him up to be really bad.

[NorthJersey]

maybe the sad writing of this season has lowered my expectations, by I actually kind of liked last night's episode.

Sad to see Gredenko die under the boardwalk, I was hoping for a sentimental meeting with Chase at a Stumper's Anonymous meeting in the final episode..

I sure hope Ricky Shroeder dies by the end of the season, something tells me he's the mole in CTU since he tried to setup Nadya and then what's his name. Maybe that's why he destroyed the evidence that Nadya found on the computer.

Why isn't the president married ? Was he too wrapped up in his brother's death and the conspiracy surrounding it ? You'd think that if there was a 1st lady, she would have been in contact with him before and after his coma. Go figure that the President is the most eligible bachelor in the US

[Dark Rain]

Is there any chance at all that they're setting up Rick Schroeder to take over the show? I could see Kiefer wanting to fade into the background and Schroder's actions are either trying to get us to really like him, or setting him up to be really bad.
I can see Schroder taking over for Kiefer, but he sucked on NYPD Blue and he really sucks on 24. If this happens it's going to be the end of the show for sure. I just can't see him pulling it off as good as Kiefer.

[Iteki]

Is there any chance at all that they're setting up Rick Schroeder to take over the show? I could see Kiefer wanting to fade into the background and Schroder's actions are either trying to get us to really like him, or setting him up to be really bad.

There is NO SHOW without Sutherland. It's been the journey with him, not the destination. Of course he'll save the day, we always know that. It's how he does it (kicking ass and cowboying up). He's fought and suffered and given up everything. To think that anyone else could come in and top it, or even keep it at the same quality...we'll that crazier than any plotline 24 can come up with :-)

[WilliamR]

If Shroeder replaces Kiefer, I'm done with the show. The guy isn't even believable in the role he is in now.

[UMDMatt]

If Shroeder replaces Kiefer, I'm done with the show. The guy isn't even believable in the role he is in now.

Agreed. They should have went with Zach Morris for Shroeder's role in the first place.

[John Chu]

If Shroeder replaces Kiefer, I'm done with the show. The guy isn't even believable in the role he is in now.

If Shroeder does not work out...maybe they might get Mark-Paul Gosselaar.

[Dark Rain]

If Shroeder does not work out...maybe they might get Mark-Paul Gosselaar.
He'd be even worse! Dustin Diamond (Screech) would be a better replacement! ;)

[arock]

Just wanted to point out another classic line from Jack last night: "Show me your head!"

[Iteki]

Just wanted to point out another classic line from Jack last night: "Show me your head!"

The only suitable replacement would be Cartman from South Park :-)

[scowl]

This season's plot is like a bad rewrite of season 2: terrorists with nukes running around the country, war hawks in the government stupidly threatening an unnamed Middle Eastern country as if it's responsible, invoking the 25th Amendment to attempt to kick the Prez out of office because he's not dropping bombs on innocent foreigners to make American feel good again. At least in season 2 we had Elisha Cuthbert running around braless in a totally unrelated subplot to keep us interested during the boring parts.

[Aliens]

You guys got it all wrong. 24 needs to go in a completely different direction. I think Carson Kressley, Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, would be simply marvelous in that role. CTU would get a complete makeover that would look absolutely stunning. Oh, I get goose bumps just thinking about it. I ask you to ponder the notion. ;)

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[John Chu]

The torture and interrogation scenes will never be the same! :rolleyes:

[dmichael]

So why did the Russian cut his arm off just to betray the Arab anyway? He could of just betrayed him with his arm still on. I didn't understand why he essentially killed himself just to betray him.

Ah, what makes you think Gredenko was the one who did the cutting? It more than likely was Fayed's doing. Fayed knew he was wired, so a simple geigercounter scan would reveal where the radioactive isotope was implanted.

[bpade]

I think the fact that he showed the mic to Fayed right away is supposed to mean that Gredenko agreed to the cutting.

Obviously, he couldn't have done the actual cutting himself.

[Iteki]

I think the fact that he showed the mic to Fayed right away is supposed to mean that Gredenko agreed to the cutting.

Obviously, he couldn't have done the actual cutting himself.

Indeed...Gredenko even told Fayed that "If you listen to me, we can both get out of here alive."

So it was likley Gredenko's idea.

As to WHY he outed Fayed at the bar, I'm not sure.

[WilliamR]

Ah, what makes you think Gredenko was the one who did the cutting? It more than likely was Fayed's doing. Fayed knew he was wired, so a simple geigercounter scan would reveal where the radioactive isotope was implanted.

Assuming they had a Geigercounter on them, but in this show, its probably built into all their cell phones.

[CPanther95]

They didn't need a Geiger counter. The isotope was injected directly into the bone, and Gredenko knew where they injected it.

[CPanther95]

Just wanted to point out another classic line from Jack last night: "Show me your head!"

Reminded me of playing Rainbow 6: Vegas on the 360.

[Iteki]

Reminded me of playing Rainbow 6: Vegas on the 360.

LOL totally.

[R11]

Is it just me, or do you remember more panic on the streets in Season 3 after the hotel got gassed than there was in this seaso