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vurbano

04-25-07, 09:00 AM

I laughed when Cheng stood there and let Jack whisper all that stuff in her ear! Dont worry, CTU is right outside waiting for ya. 3 feet infront of cheng. Like he wouldnt catch on to that. And cheng letting her walk before verifying the circuit board knowing that she was the only thing Jack cared about. And jack on one hand thinks cheng will let her walk yet doesnt hand him a playstation circuit board instead? I guess CTU never suggested giving him a fake? Maybe Jack told them cheng would never let her go without verifying the board? Yet that is the basis of his whole plan for getting her out alive? Given Jacks plan he could have cooperated with CTU and had his own snipers in place to take out the chinese ones before they shot. :rolleyes:

All of the episodes up to this one were tremendous IMO, but this was as if the writers went on vacation and let the janitor write the script.

vurbano

04-25-07, 09:10 AM

I don't think Cheng was going to let Jack go until he verified that the board was the right board in some way.But jack never planned on being let go, he planned on dying.

oleus

04-25-07, 10:38 AM

I didn't hear any of that. The RPG hitting the helicopter rattled my blinds. The music sounded compressed though.

that's funny almost the exact opposite effect on my setup for this episode...weird.

Steve Schauer

04-25-07, 05:20 PM

I just looked back at the Season 5 thread, and at this point a year ago there had been 106 posts about the latest episode, almost all positive.

This year we have 59 posts. If you cut out the bitching, the scornful, and the humorous, it's about 20% of last year.

Digger16309

04-25-07, 10:20 PM

What part of that Audrey transaction actually required Jack to have the real circuit board? He could have popped something off the inside of a gameboy or something and waved that around just as easily.

Maybe he did. Maybe the whole thing was just to blow up Cheng and as long as the Gov't thinks Cheng has the real board, they will hunt him down.

Digger16309

04-25-07, 10:32 PM

Back to the piss-poor dialog, over-acting, and stupid/pointless filler at CTU that makes everyone hate 24 so much...pretty sub-par episode last night but at this point, I have very low expectations for the rest of the season...

And come on...Audrey loosing her memory just like Teri in Season 1? LAME

Agreed - The middle of the night transfer request? Isn't it time for these CTU people to be relieved by another shift? The place is not on lockdown as in past seasons (yet). Now that Bill is gone Morris will be all pissy about the transfer not happening, and why should we care?

For reasons I can't explain, I have no affection at all for the Audrey character anymore, with or without mental illness, and I hope she never returns.

pedrojunkie

04-25-07, 11:38 PM

With the nukes gone, is this circuit board really a high enough priority that they need to have a night of the living dead 29 hour straight shift crew running?

I think we'll see Tony Almeda as the new head of CTU... he never got a silent countdown, so he's not really dead... its not my rules its 24's rules... heh...

Yes I realize its lame, but really what hasn't been?

bpade

04-26-07, 06:07 AM

They said it could start WWIII, IIRC.

JCL

04-26-07, 06:40 AM

killerdoberman

04-26-07, 10:34 AM

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bpade

04-26-07, 11:30 AM

It's made by the same company that sells Whoop-Arse in Australia.

VisionOn

04-26-07, 11:18 PM

I'm glad I didn't rush to watch it this week. All political bickering again.

Hasn't Bill been fired before? Wasn't he sat around the house last season when Chloe asked him to help out unofficially?

What with the announcement "Jack Bauer has gone ROGUE!" (which had me laughing hysterically) it's like the writers have all forgotten what they did last season.

The Morris/Chloe/Milo triangle is utterly pointless. I have trouble remembering who Chloe dated and who she married (and why either was interested in her), and if she is still dating Milo or not. The only thing I could think of while all that was going on was:

"Morris is doing well, considering someone put a power drill through his shoulder blade earlier today. I'm no Tim Taylor, but that has to hurt like hell for at least a day."

The helicopter sparklers special effect reference in this thread was spot on. And very funny. :)

VisionOn

04-26-07, 11:20 PM

They said it could start WWIII, IIRC.

but as both the Chinese and the USA now have one of the Russian nuclear code chips, if the Russians decide to start something, they would lose.

So it's not all bad news.

bpade

04-27-07, 07:38 AM

but as both the Chinese and the USA now have one of the Russian nuclear code chips, if the Russians decide to start something, they would lose.

So it's not all bad news.

Well, even the "winners" would lose in that scenario.

Don't forget, this is just a TV show. The plot line says that giving the chip to the ChiComms will start WWIII. That's what creates the urgency to retrieve it.

I heard a rumor that Jack will join Team America: World Police next season.

timick1

04-27-07, 09:00 AM

I had deja-vu when I saw the 3 Hummers go their seperate ways. Where did I see that before? Season 2 maybe?

Aliens

04-27-07, 09:09 AM

They said it could start WWIII, IIRC.
Where have I heard that one before? ;)

UCFKevin

04-28-07, 10:35 PM

Will the new head of CTU be someone we've seen before or someone we haven't?

If it's someone new, so be it. But if it's someone old...who knows...Chase Edmunds with a new bionic hand could be the big "shock".

I personally loved this week's episode. I thought it was pretty intense. You have to accept the ridiculous overthetop factor with this show, otherwise, what's the point of watching? To bitch and moan about it?

You might as well watch Star Wars and complain the whole time, "You can't hear explosions in space! This is stupid!"

Suspension of reality. That's the point of watching TV shows and movies, is it not? If you want reality, watch a documentary or look out the window.

LL3HD

04-28-07, 11:22 PM

Suspension of reality. That's the point of watching TV shows and movies, is it not? If you want reality, watch a documentary or look out the window. :cool: Yeah but... Some documentaries are more preposterous than any sci-fi movie or TV drama. Have you seen…oh never mind…don’t want to here the whines. :rolleyes:

taxman48

04-30-07, 09:36 PM

Lots of freezing up during tonites episode on Cablevision of LI.. Trying to enjoy the show .. anyone else getting this?

rodimus79

04-30-07, 09:42 PM

Same problem on Cablevision in NJ.. My recordings on Fox from last night did the same thing.

Lots of freezing up during tonites episode on Cablevision of LI.. Trying to enjoy the show .. anyone else getting this?

taxman48

04-30-07, 09:59 PM

Audrey mentioned "Bloomfield" because she was forced to watch last season of the Sopranos by the Chinese. :D Good episode from what I could make out in between the freezes and total pixalation

JCL

04-30-07, 10:08 PM

kizzo

05-01-07, 12:44 AM

No pixelation in Buffalo (Fox) and Toronto (Global).

Fairly good episode but could be a lot better. With better writing, that "Lisa" plotline could really fly, but now it's just another "B" story. Nice to see Secretary H turning up. The person who's in charge of the next raid may not be what everybody wants. I wonder if Buchanan will turn up anywhere soon, or if he's done for the season.

I was very disappointed how they handled that storyline.. could have went many places. But now like you stated.. its just another "B" story.

BTW... What exactly happened to Wayne Palmer, is he out for the season? Although I prefer his brother as President. Its like a dynasty or something.. maybe their sister will be the new President in a few seasons later :D

mer116

05-01-07, 01:30 AM

Tom Imp

05-01-07, 01:50 AM

Same problem on Cablevision in NJ..

Samn here. Had to watch in crap SD. :mad:

nikeykid

05-01-07, 02:03 AM

Watching it on directv and OTA here in San Francisco. For some reason the ep this week was in 720p on both directv and OTA but not widescreen mode, as in black bars?

Really disappointed. It's been 16:9 in all the earlier episodes.

definitely was not 720p on KTVU tonight, their feed was SD. same problem on comcast. blame it on KTVU or the feed they got.

igreg

05-01-07, 02:28 AM

I haven't read all the past threads yet, but could someone tell me how Jack recovered from being slammed to the ground (I missed the first few minutes of last week and have not seen tonight's episode yet)? Secondly, since Jack was going to blow himself up with the chip if necessary before giving it to the Chinese official, why would he even carry the real thing? Why not just bring with him a realistic non-functional chip? (Even if he gave a nonfunctionall prototype to the official could he have noticed without further examination in a lab?) Thanks.

thehun

05-01-07, 02:55 AM

definitely was not 720p on KTVU tonight, their feed was SD. same problem on comcast. blame it on KTVU or the feed they got.
Damn, I thought was something wrong with my cablebox. Interestingly the news afterward was Hi Def WS.They better not make this a habit.

keenan

05-01-07, 05:26 AM

definitely was not 720p on KTVU tonight, their feed was SD. same problem on comcast. blame it on KTVU or the feed they got.
It appeared to be a SD image in a 16x9 picture as the KTVU bug was in the right place for a HD image. It was 16x9 HD from KTTV LA on DirecTV.

gtaylor0

05-01-07, 05:36 AM

Same problem on Cablevision in NJ.. My recordings on Fox from last night did the same thing.

Same for Cablevision of CT, same last week on House. Very disappointing to have to watch it in SD. It's only that HD channel though.

Thought the episode was lame - in SD or HD. Of course the chip has one crucial code missing...pulled right from thr writers a$$. Nothing in the world describes "contrivance" like that does.

gtaylor0

05-01-07, 05:45 AM

:cool: Yeah but... Some documentaries are more preposterous than any sci-fi movie or TV drama. Have you seen…oh never mind…don’t want to here the whines. :rolleyes:

Actually it's called suspension of disbelief, and with 24 you pretty much have to have a childlike ability to do this - most of the time. When 24 gets the tone right, however, it's easy to do - you buy the whole thing.

keenan

05-01-07, 05:53 AM

Same for Cablevision of CT, same last week on House. Very disappointing to have to watch it in SD. It's only that HD channel though.

Thought the episode was lame - in SD or HD. Of course the chip has one crucial code missing...pulled right from thr writers a$$. Nothing in the world describes "contrivance" like that does.
That was definitely one of those laugh out loud, you've got to be kidding me moments. :D

This show has really morphed into a dramedy, it's much easier to enjoy if you think of it that way. :p

noleintheburg

05-01-07, 08:07 AM

I am confused....is Powers Booth a creepy now President, or is he a sympathetic figure?

Tom Lennox bugs me for some reason, he reminds me of the teachers pet you had in 5th grade.

Can Karen Hughes just go ahead and unbutton the rest of her shirt?

The Dr they sent over to examine Audrey....wth was up with that dude? "Hey lets pump her full of more drugs."

I forget, Jack has saved the world at least once in the last 20 hrs, not to mention he was kidnapped by the Chinese and tortured and released less than 20 hours ago....and yet now he is arrested? Thats good, maybe he can catch a nap....which brings another point up, is he getting paid for all of this?

jonnythan

05-01-07, 09:21 AM

I am confused....is Powers Booth a creepy now President, or is he a sympathetic figure?

Tom Lennox bugs me for some reason, he reminds me of the teachers pet you had in 5th grade.
Noah is both.

As for Tom.. how do you think someone gets to be Chief of Staff of the White House?

Stryker412

05-01-07, 09:28 AM

Bah! I think myspace cut off the last 8 minutes of the show. I was watching it and it stopped right at the commercial break after Nadia told the doctor to leave Audrey alone, and Jack went back into custody. How much was missing?

jonnythan

05-01-07, 09:56 AM

Go to fox.com and you can watch the episode online. You can fast forward to the part you missed.

lax01

05-01-07, 10:33 AM

gwsat

05-01-07, 11:10 AM

Tom Lennox bugs me for some reason, he reminds me of the teachers pet you had in 5th grade.
Yep, think Eddie Haskell from Leave it to Beaver.

Is anybody else really getting sick of the complete 180s these characters are making every episode?

It seems like every episodes the characters have different motivations or emotions....getting quite annoying...
Shocking changes in direction by the show’s characters are nothing new. In fact, it’s been going on since Season One, when Jack Bauer’s one-time lady love, Agent Nina Myers, turned out to be a venal traitor and a murderer. If there is anything on the show that is a trademark, in addition to the wildly improbable gross incompetence saved in the end by Jacks courage and cleverness, it’s having repeatedly mislead us about the characters’ motivations.

EDIT: Typo corrected.

noleintheburg

05-01-07, 11:40 AM

Noah is both.

As for Tom.. how do you think someone gets to be Chief of Staff of the White House?

Good point..and how about Nadia, 8 hrs ago she is being held as a spy, now she is running CTU?

Although I have to admit, when she gets angry it is kind of a turn-on.

danc8379

05-01-07, 11:51 AM

Yep, think Eddie Haskell from Leave it to Beaver.

I'm not sure how much of a teacher's pet he is....remember he's already blackmailed two different high ranking govt officials today. That's pretty ballsy if you ask me....

jonnythan

05-01-07, 11:56 AM

Good point..and how about Nadia, 8 hrs ago she is being held as a spy, now she is running CTU?

Although I have to admit, when she gets angry it is kind of a turn-on.
She was suspected of being a mole for about 20 minutes before it was proven that she was totally innocent.

JustinBbad

05-01-07, 12:19 PM

Is anybody else really getting sick of the complete 180s these characters are making every episode?

It seems like every episodes the characters have different motivations or emotions....getting quite annoying...

I have watched every single "24" episode this season and all previous, but this show has turned into utter crap. Or, maybe it was always crap but at least the characters were new to us so we didn't have to witness metamorphasis every 20 minutes in the characters.

I am looking forward to the end of the season so I can cut ties with 24...

danc8379

05-01-07, 12:22 PM

More and more I'm starting to buy into the theory that Rick Schroeder is going to take over the Jack Bauer role. They're showing different sides to him: disregard for authority, compassion when need be (with the Audrey situation). The only thing they haven't shown yet is him as a complete bad-ass. I predict we'll see that in the next three episodes, and then who knows? Could it be the end for Kiefer?

romanesq

05-01-07, 12:51 PM

Yup it's the end for Kiefer. He's going to be bumped from CTU to 24 Producer and watch Rick Schroeder do the best imitation of him.

Nadia of course must harbor immense resentment for her arrest and will sell her secrets to a "friendly" foreign Arab government (if there is such a thing) and finally be allowed to walk around with her jacket not buttoned all the time. And no one should write into her script, now walk quickly. Everytime Nadia begins to move in a spirited manner, she's completely bowlegged. I know ducks who can walk straighter than her.

Powers Booth will flee when he is blackmailed by the little weasel Lennox and takeover a small Carribean country like Grenada. He won't be tortured by seeing any blondes there who were once outer space aliens from another series betraying him either.

Milo will be on permanent duty to join Chloe in rolling their eyes at whatever management asks them to do that they don't want to do. Other than the vast CTU organization deciding what's priority number 1 that hour, chasing terrorists or trying to arrest Jack or his replacement.

Morris will kill Chloe to stop her from blathering some mean spirited remark his way. That is not really taken well from women by Brits.

The suspension of belief with the writing does get hard at time when Jack wants to exit the show by running away with Audrey.

scowl

05-01-07, 01:02 PM

Yup it's the end for Kiefer. He's going to be bumped from CTU to 24 Producer and watch Rick Schroeder do the best imitation of him.
I suspected that since normally every random agent that stands too long next to Jack ends up getting killed, unless they intend to keep him around.

Plasmacat

05-01-07, 01:05 PM

Peter MacNicol (Tom Lennox) has returned from outer space( 24 - same as outer space) to his gig on Numb3rs considerably the worse for wear.

Steve Schauer

05-01-07, 01:09 PM

Let's see, what's the plot now?

The Chinese have some circuit board that doesn't work, and if CTU doesn't get it back the Russians are going to kick the US's ass. Whoa I'm pretty worried.

If Jack doesn't stay away from Audrey, her daddy is going to do something mean to him. He warned him, so whatever happens to Jack is his own damn fault.

Morris is breaking up with Chloe. Chloe is sad.

Acting President Tolliver is almost as heartbroken as Chloe because his bimbo has been two-timing him. Lucky for the spy guy that Cy sent email to her PDA with all the minute-by-minute details of the dead circuit board thingy.

President Palmer - gone

Bill Buchanan - gone

President Logan - gone

Jack's dad - gone

It's sad to see this series go out like this, not with a bang but a feeble whimper.

Stan54

05-01-07, 01:20 PM

Last night was all in glorious HD on Time Warner.

Jay_Davis

05-01-07, 01:29 PM

Just to confirm, Cablevision in NJ was messed up. At first I thought it was the 8300HD box, since it's bug-infested garbage, but it was the HD feed. Standard def was OK. The people that got really messed are those that were trying to record it and couldn't switch to SD when it happened.

LL3HD

05-01-07, 01:30 PM

Milo will be on permanent duty to join Chloe in rolling their eyes . :rolleyes: :D

WS65711

05-01-07, 01:33 PM

............. Powers Booth will flee when he is blackmailed by the little weasel Lennox and takeover a small Carribean country like Grenada...............

I seem to remember some very early previews for Season Six where Jack was screaming at Lennox face to face, and maybe had his hands around Lennox neck. When is all that going to happen?

WilliamR

05-01-07, 02:06 PM

I thought I read that Kiefer signed on to a few more years of 24. Why would they need him to sign a contract if they are going to kill him off?

lax01

05-01-07, 02:14 PM

I thought I read that Kiefer signed on to a few more years of 24. Why would they need him to sign a contract if they are going to kill him off?

To Produce (aka give him money)

Steve Schauer

05-01-07, 02:25 PM

That was pretty cool that they were using Cisco Telepresence® on the show, it must be really good software. Then I saw a commercial for it right during the same show! What are the odds?

WilliamR

05-01-07, 02:33 PM

To Produce (aka give him money)

I thought the contract was for him to reprise his roll as Jack Baurer, not a contract to produce.

WS65711

05-01-07, 02:47 PM

That was pretty cool that they were using Cisco Telepresence® on the show, it must be really good software. Then I saw a commercial for it right during the same show! What are the odds?

You can be sure it was all planned out that way. I thought to myself when I saw it on the video screens during the show that it "sure looked like a commercial". :rolleyes:

jonnythan

05-01-07, 02:55 PM

jonnythan

05-01-07, 02:56 PM

FWIW, Telepresence really is that cool.

jluzbet

05-01-07, 03:36 PM

Changes for next season ? Possible ;)
http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Todays-News/Hurt-Criticism-24/800013983

keenan

05-01-07, 03:47 PM

Changes for next season ???
http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Todays-News/Hurt-Criticism-24/800013983
Amen, it's definitely due for a revamp.

WS65711

05-01-07, 03:54 PM

I believe you're thinking of when Jack was screaming at his brother Graem and choking him.

Graem: "You're hurting me!"
Jack: "No. I'm not."

I guess I'm not sure, but I don't think it was Graem. I remember thinking when I first saw the preview "Hey, that's the nerdy guy from Numb3rs"!
OTOH, maybe my mind is blending together two different scenes, choking the brother and some brief visual of Lennox. :confused: :confused: :confused:

Aliens

05-01-07, 04:24 PM

I seem to remember some very early previews for Season Six where Jack was screaming at Lennox face to face, and maybe had his hands around Lennox neck. When is all that going to happen?

Jack and Tom never had a face-to-face this year. Maybe you were thinking of Chad Lowe during the assassination attempt.

Changes for next season ? Possible ;)
http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Todays-News/Hurt-Criticism-24/800013983

The only way I’m coming back is if they nuke CTU. This terrorism plot line has run its course in more ways than one.

RDK006

05-01-07, 04:31 PM

Jack and Tom never had a face-to-face this year. Maybe you were thinking of Chad Lowe during the assassination attempt.

The only way I’m coming back is if they nuke CTU. This terrorism plot line has run its course in more ways than one.
Bu-bye then.

noleintheburg

05-01-07, 05:08 PM

Bu-bye then.

Exactly....it seems every episode Jack has to kill someone real nifty like, then say some clever Arnold-like line....fwiw, yeah I think the show goes way OTT, but thats what it is, AND I had an interesting thought last night, it seems we are having a set-up where Jack and Ricky go out together kicking ass, now that will be some good TV.

If this show can survive Kim and the Cougar...well it can pretty much survive anything.

kucharsk

05-02-07, 07:00 AM

From Television Week (http://www.tvweek.com/news.cms?newsId=11981):

Treading water amid a sea of unhappy fans, 24 is not a sunken ship yet, and according to co-executive producer David Fury, those "disillusioned" viewers will be back next season.

In this week's exclusive 24 Backlot Talk podcast (http://www.tvweek.com/page.cms?pageId=407), Mr. Fury responds to a column in Monday's L.A. Times (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/tv/la-et-channel30apr30,0,523470.story).

"It's been a very tricky year for us; it's been very difficult," he said. "This is year six, and you try to keep the plates spinning on this show. You try to keep things interesting, find new ways to tell the story, and unfortunately we wound up repeating ourselves somewhat. I still would claim that regardless of the quality dropoff that people are saying, the show's still very strong. It's still one of the best things on television."

The producer attributed the show's seeming decline to several obstacles, including a lack of "mapping out stories" and story arcs and killing off a significant number of characters.

"In the early seasons of 24, they did try to map out stories and arc out stories a little bit more than they did in seasons four and five," Mr. Fury said. "And four and five turned out to be the two most successful seasons of the show. It just so happens that maybe this year it's caught up with us.

"There are relationships that Jack had that we can't exploit anymore, and that's certainly a problem," he added. "We don't have those people to pull from anymore for stories, and it becomes harder for the audience to latch on to new characters. It takes time for those characters to garner the same affection that the older characters did."

Mr. Fury said next season has already been hashed over, and viewers can expect to see a new approach toward writing the episodes, with a mixture of "winging it" and plotting out story arcs. He also promised more of the show's characteristic twists and turns that he said will have fans coming back for more.

"After winning the Emmy last year, we had nowhere to go but down anyway," the producer joked. "They'd have to be gunning for us; there's no way to keep this good press up."

Aliens

05-02-07, 08:43 AM

The producer attributed the show's seeming decline to several obstacles, including a lack of "mapping out stories" and story arcs and killing off a significant number of characters.

"In the early seasons of 24, they did try to map out stories and arc out stories a little bit more than they did in seasons four and five," Mr. Fury said. "And four and five turned out to be the two most successful seasons of the show. It just so happens that maybe this year it's caught up with us.

I’d call that resting on your laurels. ;)

JCL

05-02-07, 12:47 PM

http://24fans.net/images/USA_Weekend/Web/inset_full.jpg

I hope so, and certainly don't want them to set the expectations way too high either.

jluzbet

05-02-07, 01:16 PM

http://24fans.net/images/USA_Weekend/Web/inset_full.jpg

I hope so, and certainly don't want them to set the expectations way too high either.

JACK WILL DIE !!!! :eek:

JCL

05-02-07, 01:26 PM

That will be the end of the show!

A safer bet will be the White House blown up, or lunatic Daniels nuking China (good luck trying to sell Season 6 to Chinese TV).

gwsat

05-02-07, 02:59 PM

I guess I'm not sure, but I don't think it was Graem. I remember thinking when I first saw the preview "Hey, that's the nerdy guy from Numb3rs"!
OTOH, maybe my mind is blending together two different scenes, choking the brother and some brief visual of Lennox. :confused: :confused: :confused:
You’re not the only one who is confused. Over the weekend I confused Paul McCrane, who played Graem Bauer, with Peter MacNicol, who plays Tom Lennox, while I was talking to my grandson. I guess the confusion is understandable because McCrane and MacNicol have similar names and both are little guys playing weasels. :)

thehun

05-02-07, 05:03 PM

Except one wears glasses and almost bald, yeah they're look alikes. :D

davdev

05-03-07, 03:05 PM

oleus

05-03-07, 03:36 PM

DaveDev -

you summed up the laziness of this season quite perfectly there.

Digger16309

05-06-07, 09:21 PM

"It's been a very tricky year for us; it's been very difficult," he said.

Oh boo hoo. It's been very difficult watching you retread the entire series in one season.

The producer attributed the show's seeming decline to several obstacles, including a lack of "mapping out stories" and story arcs and killing off a significant number of characters..

Not mapping out stories = TV writing malpractice, doesn't it? At least he plead guilty.

"There are relationships that Jack had that we can't exploit anymore, and that's certainly a problem," he added. "We don't have those people to pull from anymore for stories, and it becomes harder for the audience to latch on to new characters. It takes time for those characters to garner the same affection that the older characters did."

The "we killed off too many characters" defense.

There is one character still in play that could have been used in about 50 different ways. But instead she sat on her arse and jibber-jabbered with Milo and Morris.

scanpa

05-06-07, 10:13 PM

This used to be a show, that my family raced to the media room to watch on Mondays live.

now even the kids are board with it, the wife quit watching after Martha killed her ex husband, and I let it sit on the dvr till Tuesday or later to watch. Everything in the last 2-3 posts is spot on. big waste of a season. Good news only a few more episodes left.

Lets hope the movie "24" will be better then this, and the next season brings the show back to normal.

archiguy

05-07-07, 08:49 AM

Lets hope the movie "24" will be better then this, and the next season brings the show back to normal.

After this past season, I'd be surprised if a '24' movie is still in play. It's a pretty dumb idea anyway, and such an obvious cash-grab. Was anyone chomping at the bit to see the 'X-Files' movie after the show had started to wane? Heck, I can't even remember the plot line now (I think there were some bees or something); it was entirely forgettable.

taxman48

05-07-07, 08:52 PM

Is "24" number finally up? Yes says NY's Newsday article. More than 1/3rd of the viewers have bailed out since the premier in January .. Last Mondays ratings were the smallest in 3 years.. Jacks new enemy: his fans!! :eek: http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/tv/ny-et240507,0,3649252.story?coll=ny-television-headlines

lax01

05-07-07, 10:53 PM

jonnythan

05-07-07, 10:57 PM

LAME AND STUPID.
You've said that for EVERY DAMN EPISODE.

Quit watching and quit posting already!

lax01

05-07-07, 10:58 PM

You've said that for EVERY DAMN EPISODE.

Quit watching and quit posting already!

2 episodes left and I'm done...I don't think I'm watching next season unless the entire writing staff is fired and some human beings are placed in the seats...

are you trying to say you enjoyed tonights' episode?

pedrojunkie

05-07-07, 11:00 PM

Now we are down to 2 people from season 1 still on the show... (though Milo took a few seasons off)

and with Aaron Peirce a weenie civilian we may not see him next season...

They had no opportunity for a silent clock for Milo, the whole point was the... huh? did that just happen? Silent clock would have ruined it...

Tony on the other hand...

is on his way over from division... :-p

lax01

05-07-07, 11:04 PM

Tony on the other hand...

is on his way over from division... :-p

you know, I would totally love the show if they did that...and Palmer is going to re-stake his claim on the Presidency and FIREEEEEEE THE MISSEELLLESS!!!

RDK006

05-08-07, 03:19 AM

I've said it before and I said again, they missed a prime opportunity to shake the show up this season. Last Season's setup of Jack being taken by the chinese should have been followed up by this season having Jack trying to escape china, with the help of some special forces headed by Curtis.

Instead we got the same story line that has been essentially repeated since season one.

I really hope the come up with something new next season, because I am simply tired of watching Jack chase terrorists around LA. At least give us a new city.

I agree that this season is easily the worst of the six, but seriously, your ideas for "improving" it are not just dumb but pretty much unworkable. The show is about L.A.-based CTU agents tackling terrorist threats in Southern California. There's no way they could pull off doing 24 episodes set in China. The show's budget wouldn't allow it, you'd have a serious lack of English-speaking characters if you want to maintain any credibility, and it would throw off the entire dynamic of a show that's about CTU agents fighting terrorists in L.A. That's like saying you'd want an entire season of Miami Vice set in Utah or Hawaii-50 set in upstate New York. Last season was one of the best seasons of 24, so the producers weren't about to mess with the formula. This season was subpar and ratings suffered, so I'm sure everyone involved is now open to more aggressive changes.

d2s2

05-08-07, 07:59 AM

I agree that this season is easily the worst of the six, but seriously, your ideas for "improving" it are not just dumb but pretty much unworkable. The show is about L.A.-based CTU agents tackling terrorist threats in Southern California. There's no way they could pull off doing 24 episodes set in China. The show's budget wouldn't allow it, you'd have a serious lack of English-speaking characters if you want to maintain any credibility, and it would throw off the entire dynamic of a show that's about CTU agents fighting terrorists in L.A. That's like saying you'd want an entire season of Miami Vice set in Utah or Hawaii-50 set in upstate New York. Last season was one of the best seasons of 24, so the producers weren't about to mess with the formula. This season was subpar and ratings suffered, so I'm sure everyone involved is now open to more aggressive changes.

I would have to disagree with your contention that this show is about LA-based CTU. It is about Jack Bauer - it just so happens that each day shown in this series takes place in LA. The show would have as much (and I use this term while cold shivers run down my back) "credibility" if it took place in New York, Washington, London, Moscow, Beijing or anywhere else in the world as long as Jack Bauer is the main protagonist. LA was chosen as the base of operations because that is where the production company has its sets and so it can use their outdoor shots economically.

noleintheburg

05-08-07, 08:08 AM

This show needs to save itself.....the only way to do that, is make next year the last season, and move it out of LA.....also:

-Clear cut enemy...since they have pretty much wasted the unamed Middle eastern Country plotline, I say go with the Chinese, they'll be the next generations Soviet Union anyway.

-Anyone ever see a Chuck Norris movie called "Invasion USA"...? Its about a bunch of Central and South American countries attakcing the US, and ends with a big battle in Miami...., while done with the usual "Norris Cheese" I think an idea similar to this would be perfect, only you have Jack and his buds fightin' the bad guys.

-Speaking of buds, Ricky isn't bad, but perhaps we should get introduced to some other badass guys that maybe Jack served with in the military, develop the relationship a ways, then have some of them get knocked off....they haven't done this in awhile, did anyone really buy Curtis and Jack as close friends?

-More hot women.....I say we have an entire episode with Nadia, Jacks sis in law, and maybe a drooling Audrey walking around in bikinis...oh screw that, have them neekid.

pedrojunkie

05-08-07, 08:40 AM

-More hot women.....I say we have an entire episode with Nadia, Jacks sis in law, and maybe a drooling Audrey walking around in bikinis...oh screw that, have them neekid.

A character we need to bring back next season... Mandy... (Mia Kirshner) She's a great character and I love how she pops up every third season and plays a minor/major background role for two episiodes and vanishes again without a trace. They just have to keep her character straight, and not turn her into a 'bad guy' like they so are good at doing for no reason. She's always been an amoral mercenary and thats what's so cool about her she soesn't give an f- about anyone of these causes or anybody else since her chick died in season one. She's just a badass...

That and she's hot... and she was a great intro to 24...

lax01

05-08-07, 09:16 AM

you can see the viewer drop-off right here in this thread....<10 posts about the previous episode? Thats amazing...

noleintheburg

05-08-07, 10:01 AM

A character we need to bring back next season... Mandy... (Mia Kirshner) She's a great character and I love how she pops up every third season and plays a minor/major background role for two episiodes and vanishes again without a trace. They just have to keep her character straight, and not turn her into a 'bad guy' like they so are good at doing for no reason. She's always been an amoral mercenary and thats what's so cool about her she soesn't give an f- about anyone of these causes or anybody else since her chick died in season one. She's just a badass...

That and she's hot... and she was a great intro to 24...

MmmmMmmmm Mandy.....

ion-man

05-08-07, 10:48 AM

You mean to tell me all that was for the old man to get the grandson? Quite an elaborate diversion if you asked me. Well at least they are tying up some of the loose ends regarding what was up with his dad and Gream's wife and son. Oh wait, make that Jack's son :D.

noleintheburg

05-08-07, 10:53 AM

Mandy.....Oh mandy, when you came and you said that you lovd me...oh I need you today...Oh Mandy.....

davdev

05-08-07, 10:58 AM

The show is about L.A.-based CTU agents tackling terrorist threats in Southern California.

Uhm, not it's not. It's about one CTU agent, who happens to be based in LA.

Maybe China would have been unworkable, but it would have been interesting at least. They have done everything they can in LA, and if they don't drastically change next season, the ratings will continue to plummet. I know that when this season premiered, I had ten friends and coworkers who were die hard fans. I am the only one who is still watching.

Last nights episode was the worst yet. Come on, how many times can CTU be infiltrated. Last year there was the chemical attack, season 2 (3?) had a bomb blow up inside it, don't any of these security guards have military training or are they all told that when they hear gunshots they should run as fast as they can to them and not look around corners for someone who may be trying to line them up.

And for people who can tap into every satalite or surveilance camera in the world, why the hell can't they secure their damn network. Maybe they should drop that funky OS they are using and switch to Windows, at least they may get a patch when a vulnerablity is discovered instead of leaving themselves wide open for the 2nd terrorist in a day to tap into their Network.

leebo

05-08-07, 11:13 AM

Maybe the writers used to write Mexican telenovelas.

Lets see... We had Chloe and English guy as unrequited love interests, Nadia and devil man as unrequited love interests, Jack and sis-in-law as unrequited love interests, vice pres and....

Aliens

05-08-07, 11:16 AM

You mean to tell me all that was for the old man to get the grandson? Quite an elaborate diversion if you asked me.
How many hours ago was it good ol’ granddad took the kid hostage and was going to kill him? Guess the writers forgot about that. ;)

NetworkTV

05-08-07, 11:18 AM

I agree that this season is easily the worst of the six, but seriously, your ideas for "improving" it are not just dumb but pretty much unworkable. The show is about L.A.-based CTU agents tackling terrorist threats in Southern California. There's no way they could pull off doing 24 episodes set in China. The show's budget wouldn't allow it, you'd have a serious lack of English-speaking characters if you want to maintain any credibility, and it would throw off the entire dynamic of a show that's about CTU agents fighting terrorists in L.A. That's like saying you'd want an entire season of Miami Vice set in Utah or Hawaii-50 set in upstate New York. Last season was one of the best seasons of 24, so the producers weren't about to mess with the formula. This season was subpar and ratings suffered, so I'm sure everyone involved is now open to more aggressive changes.
How so? That's what studio backlots are for. Do you really think every show shoots on location like "Lost"?

As far as the language issue, watch "Hunt for the Red October" for one of the best methods of transitioning your cast to speaking English ever used. It allowed the audience to realize they were speaking Russian, but avoid subtitles.

As far as Miami Vice - that's a silly comparision. The show was called "Miami Vice". This show is called "24" - as long as it has that many hours, it can take place anywhere with any cast. For that matter, I don't see the name "Jack Bauer" anywhere in the title.

bobby94928

05-08-07, 11:48 AM

keenan

05-08-07, 11:54 AM

Come on, how many times can CTU be infiltrated.
:D :D
Really, the deadbolt on my front door is more secure than the security at CTU, and I can't recall the last time my computer had a "hiccup", in fact, my DVR is more reliable than the servers at CTU. :rolleyes: :p

This episode had a lot of funny stuff happening in it. :)

LL3HD

05-08-07, 12:00 PM

turansformer

05-08-07, 12:18 PM

Let's see....

In season 2, CTU gets bombed
In season 5, CTU gets hit with nerve gas
In season 6, CTU gets invaded with mercenaries

They're even running out of ideas for ways that CTU is attacked. This show has definitely faced an exponential increase of difficulty as the seasons progressed, and the writers had to know they would eventually hit a wall after several seasons with similar plot lines taking place within the same city. I'm personally very interested in seeing what these so called "changes" will be for next season, and I am willing to stick with the show through the good times and the bad. The obvious would be a new location, but what if there was something more drastic, such as the show taking place over 24 days instead of 24 hours?

gwsat

05-08-07, 12:19 PM

:D :D
Really, the deadbolt on my front door is more secure than the security at CTU, and I can't recall the last time my computer had a "hiccup", in fact, my DVR is more reliable than the servers at CTU. :rolleyes: :p
This episode had a lot of funny stuff happening in it. :)
:D That is funny... but despite the absurdities—I still enjoyed this episode. ;)
I enjoyed it, too. Let’s not forget that 24 built its reputation on telling stories that were preposterously over-the-top. Last night’s episode was nothing new in that regard. Those who can’t enjoy the silliness that inevitably goes with 24’s excitement might consider finding something else to watch.

keenan

05-08-07, 12:42 PM

I enjoyed it, too. Let’s not forget that 24 built its reputation on telling stories that were preposterously over-the-top. Last night’s episode was nothing new in that regard. Those who can’t enjoy the silliness that inevitably goes with 24’s excitement might consider finding something else to watch.
Yup, once you make the leap from 24 being a mediocre serious drama to a rather good dramedy, the show becomes much more enjoyable. Must have paused playback 7-8 times last night to discuss and laugh about the absurdities, we even got the famous "damn it" dialog from Jack last night. :D

RDK006

05-08-07, 12:46 PM

Uhm, not it's not. It's about one CTU agent, who happens to be based in LA.

Maybe China would have been unworkable, but it would have been interesting at least. They have done everything they can in LA, and if they don't drastically change next season, the ratings will continue to plummet. I know that when this season premiered, I had ten friends and coworkers who were die hard fans. I am the only one who is still watching.

Last nights episode was the worst yet. Come on, how many times can CTU be infiltrated. Last year there was the chemical attack, season 2 (3?) had a bomb blow up inside it, don't any of these security guards have military training or are they all told that when they hear gunshots they should run as fast as they can to them and not look around corners for someone who may be trying to line them up.

And for people who can tap into every satalite or surveilance camera in the world, why the hell can't they secure their damn network. Maybe they should drop that funky OS they are using and switch to Windows, at least they may get a patch when a vulnerablity is discovered instead of leaving themselves wide open for the 2nd terrorist in a day to tap into their Network.

Don't disagree with you about the other stuff. My wife and I always laugh that it's easier to break into CTU than it is to shoplift chewing gum from Ralph's.

Mike4HDTV

05-08-07, 02:39 PM

Let's see....

The obvious would be a new location, but what if there was something more drastic, such as the show taking place over 24 days instead of 24 hours?

This is how I would change 24 next season.

gwsat

05-08-07, 03:05 PM

Yup, once you make the leap from 24 being a mediocre serious drama to a rather good dramedy, the show becomes much more enjoyable. Must have paused playback 7-8 times last night to discuss and laugh about the absurdities, we even got the famous "damn it" dialog from Jack last night. :D
Indeed! The thing that makes the show endlessly entertaining to me is that its preposterous stories are so elegantly mounted: beautiful, expensive sets, and wonderful actors who play everything with deadly seriousness. I was reminded over the weekend of how really good Kiefer Sutherland is as Jack Bauer, when I watched the semi-talented Tom Cruise play another Secret Agent Action Hero in “Mission: Impossible III.” Somehow a “Damn it!” from him lacked the resonance that Sutherland is able to impart. I hate to contemplate how badly Cruise would have read “Son of a bitch!” or, “We don’t have a lot of time!” Or maybe he did and I missed it.

scanpa

05-08-07, 03:20 PM

That was awful...painfully awful...I honestly can't believe that 24 has sunk this low...

And no silent-clock for Milo's death = LAME AND STUPID

Shame on you 24 writers...this is like a dumb down version of the A-Team at this point...

Come on Milo isn't dead, On this shows a bullet to the head is nothing, he will recover and be back to normal in next weeks episode! :rolleyes:

scanpa

05-08-07, 03:30 PM

2 episodes left and I'm done...I don't think I'm watching next season unless the entire writing staff is fired and some human beings are placed in the seats...

are you trying to say you enjoyed tonights' episode?

But Monkey's are cheaper and only cost Bananas to feed! :D

scanpa

05-08-07, 03:32 PM

Cubfan

05-08-07, 06:04 PM

This series has lost its way, big-time. The season ended a few weeks ago with the death of the terrorist, and we get a 6-week anti-climax. Wow, what fun.

mds54

05-08-07, 06:27 PM

Yeah, it really is getting pretty funny....
And during the VP snitch hotel room surveillance scene, I don't know about you guys,
but when a ladyfriend of mine tells me that she wants to "freshen up" before romance,
the last thing I do is question her about it and try to stop her! Geeze..... :rolleyes:

loco

05-08-07, 06:41 PM

At least the drinking game was fun last night -- "component" [*hic!*]

romanesq

05-09-07, 04:47 PM

What's all the crying about? Another episdoe with Nadia in her buttoned at all times jacket even when a gang of armed men take over CTU. Isn't that suspense enough? What will it take for Nadia to unbutton that jacket?

Tune in next week because we know it won't be flaco boy Milo. And now we know she was so confused about Milo and Ricky Shroeder, well who will win now?

Of course Jack's sister-in-law is not confused with the death and discovery of her traitor husband in the last half day so she can let Jack know she is "there" for him.

As for Chloe, what is the fuss about having her in a bikini? Keep her dressed and in the corner please.

Thank you.

slowbiscuit

05-09-07, 04:56 PM

This series has lost its way, big-time. The season ended a few weeks ago with the death of the terrorist, and we get a 6-week anti-climax. Wow, what fun.Exactly what the wife and I have been thinking - you knew what you had with Fayed, the nukes, and the Russians until they were taken care of and it was somewhat interesting even if repetitive (the stupidity with the Logans notwithstanding). Ever since then, the season's been a total waste. Attacking CTU (again, for the kid?!) is the last straw.

Oh well, it's almost over. Having watched all of them since the beginning, I can only hope that this season was the low point. They're getting a mulligan from me after a great one last year, but there has to be some major changes for next or we won't be sticking around.

scowl

05-09-07, 04:58 PM

Really, the deadbolt on my front door is more secure than the security at CTU,
It won't be when you find mercenaries with machine guns crawling up your toilet.

keenan

05-09-07, 06:08 PM

It won't be when you find mercenaries with machine guns crawling up your toilet.
I have an outhouse, they can crawl up through there all they want. :D

bobby94928

05-09-07, 06:14 PM

I have an outhouse, they can crawl up through there all they want. :D

Now Keenan, there is a difference between an out building and an outhouse.... :)

keenan

05-09-07, 06:24 PM

Now Keenan, there is a difference between an out building and an outhouse.... :)
Depends on the condition of that out building. :D

cuzzin

05-09-07, 08:34 PM

Just wondering, am I the only one who isn't all that impressed with the HD quality of 24? It just doesn't blow me away compared to the picture of other HD shows.

POWERFUL

05-09-07, 10:25 PM

Definitely agree with you on that one especially the audio. My audio needs to be really high and the picture quality is softer on 24. So I stand back further and crank the surround sound way too high just to hear regular dialogue. The exact opposite is the show "The Unit". I need to lower the audio because it's just too high on that show and the picture quality is so good I want to sit close to the screen just to see all the good stuff.

VisionOn

05-10-07, 12:42 AM

while I wasn't a big fan of this weeks' episode (er, another double agent affair again?) it did two things right that 24 does best.

Killed a main character casually.

Jack Bauer kicked ass.

Those are things that I like to see in my 24.

As everyone else has said, not only is CTU the least secure place on earth, it also seems that Mike Doyle took all the best security members in CTU with him as well. Everyone else left can barely unholster their weapon. Just one CTU guy returning fire and making a half decent attempt at defense would have been nice. Instead of walking into gunfire looking for bullets.

Even Chloe can take out bad guys!

The CTU guards may as well have been wearing red shirts. :rolleyes:

ToddR

05-10-07, 09:36 AM

Just wondering, am I the only one who isn't all that impressed with the HD quality of 24? It just doesn't blow me away compared to the picture of other HD shows.

It does seem to be awfully dark much of the time. In the breaks, certain HD commercials almost startle me with their actual vibrant color. I mean, is there anything more YELLOW than those Spint ads?

The darkness even serves to exaggerate how much they overdrive the color on CSI: Miami, which we often watch after 24.

archiguy

05-10-07, 10:08 AM

As everyone else has said, not only is CTU the least secure place on earth, it also seems that Mike Doyle took all the best security members in CTU with him as well. Everyone else left can barely unholster their weapon. Just one CTU guy returning fire and making a half decent attempt at defense would have been nice. Instead of walking into gunfire looking for bullets.

Even Chloe can take out bad guys!

The CTU guards may as well have been wearing red shirts. :rolleyes:

With the staggering number of casualties CTU agents take, it's a wonder they can ever recruit anyone into the organization. You'd have to have a death-wish or something. :p

scowl

05-10-07, 02:58 PM

Definitely agree with you on that one especially the audio. My audio needs to be really high and the picture quality is softer on 24.
People always talk about about great 24 looks at the beginning of the season when it's mostly bright scenes in a typically sunny day in L.A. Once the sun goes down and the show is nothing but night scenes and dim interior locations, people complain it looks soft and grainy. Unfortunately that's just how film works.

24 definitely has the dialog turned way down and the show is quieter on average. I'm thinking that's so the explosions and gun shots (and commercials) will be louder.

jonnythan

05-10-07, 02:59 PM

Yup. 24 has terrific dynamic range.

NetworkTV

05-10-07, 08:19 PM

I have an outhouse, they can crawl up through there all they want. :D
That's the kind of attitude that will bite you in the ass - or get you shot there, in this case.... ;)

NetworkTV

05-10-07, 08:20 PM

With the staggering number of casualties CTU agents take, it's a wonder they can ever recruit anyone into the organization. You'd have to have a death-wish or something. :p
They all assumed they would be nowhere near Jack....;)

StinDaWg

05-12-07, 12:35 AM

Yup yup gotta agree. Outside sunny shots are great but most of the dark scenes are pixeltated.

JCL

05-14-07, 10:20 PM

Mike4HDTV

05-14-07, 10:53 PM

I agree. It was a good episode tonight. The beginning with Jack killing all of Cheng's men was great.

lax01

05-14-07, 11:03 PM

JACK's SLIDE-SHOT almost saved the entire season for me...I must have rewound that like 50 times...that was amazing...This season needed a lot more of that

I still don't get why Papa Bauer wants Josh...it doesn't make any sense...oil refinery WTF!?!

Tom Imp

05-15-07, 12:54 AM

I still don't get why Papa Bauer wants Josh...it doesn't make any sense...

I won't give it away, but I came across a rumor by accident a few weeks back and based on the reactions of a few people tonight, it looks like it will be true.

WS65711

05-15-07, 08:24 AM

Quote:

I seem to remember some very early previews for Season Six where Jack was screaming at Lennox face to face, and maybe had his hands around Lennox neck. When is all that going to happen?

Jack and Tom never had a face-to-face this year. Maybe you were thinking of Chad Lowe during the assassination attempt.

Maybe I'm not crazy after all. After last night's episode, I can envision Jack's hands around Lennox's neck during the season finale for sending the grandson back to the grandfather . . .

TravelFan1

05-15-07, 08:38 AM

IMHO, best episode this season, bar none. I was awaiting for another "Damn Jack" from Doyle in the beginning of the episode, actually, a "Damn Jack, Damn Nadia, Damn Morris" would be more appropriate :cool:

jonnythan

05-15-07, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Maybe I'm not crazy after all. After last night's episode, I can envision Jack's hands around Lennox's neck during the season finale for sending the grandson back to the grandfather . . .
1) It wasn't Tom's call.

2) The final two episodes were not filmed that long ago.

Digger16309

05-15-07, 09:43 AM

Maybe it's too late to save the season, but... tonight's episode is pretty good. Plenty of action *throughout* the hour, not just the last 5 minutes. Writing's still need some work, but they've pretty much put everything "on a collision course" for the final 2 hours next week. Let's hope they'll be enough for viewers to come back next January .... asking for new writers, that is.

I think they're beyond saving the season. The early action was great though. When they finally swtiched over to the White House I thought, "oh yeah, that's still going on."

I'm still hoping this ends up a dream season and Jack wakes up at the end in the Chinese prison.

bpade

05-15-07, 10:13 AM

I'm still hoping this ends up a dream season and Jack wakes up at the end in the Chinese prison.

You want this whole season to have been nothing? :confused:

jasonblair

05-15-07, 10:17 AM

You want this whole season to have been nothing? :confused:That would be great! We could just pretend that this whole season never happened. I wouldn't even have to buy the Season 6 box set to make my collection complete. Just get some masking tape and re-label Season 7 as "Season 6," Season 8 as "Season 7," and so on...

jpco

05-15-07, 10:52 AM

You want this whole season to have been nothing? :confused:

Would it really matter?

BMAG

05-15-07, 10:55 AM

ion-man

05-15-07, 10:56 AM

Well this episode really gave us vintage Jack, we just about got another "Jack Bauer Power Hour"! (except for the screwed up white house scenario). As echoes by other posters...WTF is with Bauer Sr. and wanting Josh? I cannot see this whole "legacy" thing playing out to a rational ending, just makes no sense to set up one son to be kidnapped, kill the other, set off a nuclear bomb, kidnap your grandson while threatening to kill him, pretend to kill the other son, flee, then resurface demanding your grandson yet again, while betraying and confronting the people you were in cahoots with all along who can start a war.
BTW, the sliding while shooting scene with Jack was amazing.

DennisMileHi

05-15-07, 11:22 AM

Last night's laugh-out-loud moment: Grampa Bauer is extolling the virtues of China and Josh says, "What the hell are you talking about??!"

For any 24 fan who hasn't seen it yet, Dave Barry's 24 Blog is must reading -- http://blogs.herald.com/dave_barrys_blog/24/index.html
Thanks for the link. I hadn't seen that before and "wasted" 30 minutes reading some of it. Very funny. Dave has absolutely pegged the terrible writing in this ridiculous season!

vurbano

05-15-07, 11:30 AM

I think this last plot twist is crap, IMO. I think the season has been great but I find myself almost disinterested with watching the 2 hour ending.

vurbano

05-15-07, 11:33 AM

With the staggering number of casualties CTU agents take, it's a wonder they can ever recruit anyone into the organization. You'd have to have a death-wish or something. :p
Amazing how these ultra secure facilities always have a convienent enormous storm sewer tunnel leading out so that terrorists have an easy way in and out.

hondo21

05-15-07, 12:17 PM

Re: Jack v. Lennox. Isn't Jack in LA and Lennox in DC? And there are only 2 hours left.

Now, I know time limitations are often ignored in the show, but come on. There's no reasonable way they could get from one place to the other in time.

faceoff

05-15-07, 12:24 PM

Re: Jack v. Lennox. Isn't Jack in LA and Lennox in DC? And there are only 2 hours left.

Since everything else has been so believable - maybe they could agree to meet in CHicago, or Atlanta to duke it out!

:D

d2s2

05-15-07, 12:29 PM

Since everything else has been so believable - maybe they could agree to meet in CHicago, or Atlanta to duke it out!

:D

Nah. This is where the Starship Enterprise, in one of their infamous time-traveling episodes, arrive at the precise time Jack meets up with his father. Recognizing Jack's dad as Zephram Cochrane (since Glenn Corbett wasn't available), Scotty rises from the dead to transport both to the Enterprise where Jack, after they find out he's one of the good guys, asks to materialize inside the Oval Office. Then, the fun begins....

romanesq

05-15-07, 02:54 PM

I think this last plot twist is crap, IMO. I think the season has been great but I find myself almost disinterested with watching the 2 hour ending.

Yeah. Especially now with Nadia being traumatized by the attack on CTU. It was so traumatic she finally not only unbuttoned her jacket, she even removed it.

Talk about a twisted episdoe. :rolleyes:

fredfa

05-15-07, 02:59 PM

'24' renewed for 2 more days
By Nellie Andreeva The Hollywood Reporter May 15, 2007

The clock on "24" will continue ticking for two more seasons.

Fox has renewed the Emmy-winning real-time drama starring Kiefer Sutherland through the 2008-09 season.

Sutherland is already locked to stay with the show through 2009 under his multi-year production deal with "24" producer 20th Century Fox TV.

"24" has had a roller-coaster ride the past couple of seasons, earning rave reviews for season five, which was capped by a best drama series Emmy and drawing criticism by some fans for the plotline in the current sixth season.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i939dbea16d13723006c63b7858525fed

VisionOn

05-16-07, 04:21 AM

Holy crap, I would have thought by now the writers would at least be paying attention to the actual words they force the actors to say. Especially after all the flak this season has got. Tonight it seems they were trying to outdumb themselves.

The opening sequence was good but then it was totally undermined by one of the dumbest reasons to attack a government facility I have ever heard. It made the opening scenes literally nothing more than a literal custody battle! So granpa Bauer wants to spend more time with his grandson and the best way he can think of to do that is to ask China to come up with some elaborate scheme to attack a government base with mercenaries and kill a few of the good guys along the way?

Why didn't he just wait until the next day when Josh went home? Then at best all they had to do was take out a few bodyguards at his house and stick him in a truck, dump him in on a ship and take him to China. Just like they did with Jack. :rolleyes:

What's even more stupid is that I thought the reason to attack CTU would be to capture one of the other suitcase nukes they recovered. Then the Chinese could have got a new circuit board from one of those. If you're going to use a heavily armed team of mercenaries why not go straight for the prize instead of relying on someone else who can double cross you?

The vice pres is really troubled by the fact that he was having a relationship with his assistant, and that it might ... gasp ... start a third world war! What the ... ? 6 hours earlier he was going to nuke the middle east! With a US nuclear missile. In an unprovoked attack. He wasn't too bothered about that!

Jack running toward a helicopter as someone he loves is being taken away by CTU? Didn't that happen with Audrey 5 episodes ago? Jack really needs to go freelance. CTU are always screwing him over and he's only trying to help the country. Jack Bauer P.I. might be a better job.

Then we have the sting operation. Yet again, the female operative decides to go ballistic and screw up the operation by attacking the spy. Just like she did before when they used that same storyline.

The only good surprise I got out of this week, was that the spy was none other than Daniel Jackson. I didn't recognize him last week.

Meanwhile, back at CTU ...

"Have you sustained any casualties?"
"One."

Sucks to be a guard at CTU. Not only is it very high risk, nobody even remembers when you go down in a hail of gunfire. :rolleyes:

The finale better be a massive improvement because I don't want to see another two seasons of this quality.

jonnythan

05-16-07, 09:12 AM

So granpa Bauer wants to spend more time with his grandson and the best way he can think of to do that is to ask China to come up with some elaborate scheme to attack a government base with mercenaries and kill a few of the good guys along the way?
No, the Chinese found him because they knew he'd be able to take care of the circuit board. He obviously said "OK, but only if you go get my grandson from CTU first."

What's even more stupid is that I thought the reason to attack CTU would be to capture one of the other suitcase nukes they recovered.
CTU doesn't have them. The US military took possession of those nukes.

lax01

05-16-07, 09:45 AM

The only good surprise I got out of this week, was that the spy was none other than Daniel Jackson. I didn't recognize him last week.

haha I THOUGHT that was him...but convinced myself otherwise...he should have had the Daedalus beam him out of the room to avoid prosecution...

NorthJersey

05-16-07, 09:59 AM

The vice pres is really troubled by the fact that he was having a relationship with his assistant, and that it might ... gasp ... start a third world war! What the ... ? 6 hours earlier he was going to nuke the middle east! With a US nuclear missile. In an unprovoked attack. He wasn't too bothered about that! was I the only one expecting the VP to jump whats-her-face when he was talking to her in the Oval Office the other night ?

Jack running toward a helicopter as someone he loves is being taken away by CTU? Didn't that happen with Audrey 5 episodes ago? Jack really needs to go freelance. CTU are always screwing him over and he's only trying to help the country. Jack Bauer P.I. might be a better job.

hence the need for new writers for the next 2 seasons

Meanwhile, back at CTU ...

"Have you sustained any casualties?"
"One."

Sucks to be a guard at CTU. Not only is it very high risk, nobody even remembers when you go down in a hail of gunfire. :rolleyes:

the one wasn't a guard, but Milo instead

jonnythan

05-16-07, 10:26 AM

the one wasn't a guard, but Milo instead
That was his point.

By saying "one" and meaning Milo, Nadia was completely discounting the poor guards who died.

It's possible she didn't realize they were dead, though.

noleintheburg

05-16-07, 11:31 AM

Maybe the guard only had a flesh wound.

I don't get the investigation either....a nuclear bomb was detonated like 14 hrs ago, yet we have plenty of people available to run an audit of your operation?

WTF?

On a sidenote.....Nadia telling Jack he is still "Under arrest" after everything that has happened (including Jack getting released from China less than 21 hours ago) was my laugh outloud moment.

faceoff

05-16-07, 12:02 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/05/16/television.24.reut/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

VisionOn

05-16-07, 12:13 PM

CNN, late with the new as usual. :rolleyes:

Aliens

05-16-07, 02:09 PM

Watched Dan Rather Reports last night on HDNET. The show was called Green Scare (Some Muslims and Arab Americans complain this country is returning to the McCarthy era and the red scare). During the last 10 minutes, Dan interviewed one of the producers of 24. They discussed the terrorist aspect of the show, and intermixed were Muslim and Arab viewpoints of it. The entire show was excellent.

Repeats on HDNET...

Sat., May. 19th 1:30 PM ET
Sun., May. 20th 7:00 PM ET

Digger16309

05-16-07, 08:15 PM

You want this whole season to have been nothing? :confused:

IMHO it HAS been for nothing. I would love to have not seen this season and pretend it never happened.

Mike4HDTV

05-20-07, 09:41 PM

A little off topic...Did anybody watch the Simpsons tonight? They did a 24 spoof that was hilarious. They even had Jack and Chloe on the show.

cocoon

05-20-07, 09:57 PM

Yeah the first funny Simpsons in what 5 or 6 years.

Stryker412

05-21-07, 08:02 AM

So tonight's the big night. Not only is it the season finale but from what I've read they're going to setup the "big change" for next season. Should be interesting.

lax01

05-21-07, 09:41 AM

Is anybody else glad this season of 24 is over? :)

NorthJersey

05-21-07, 10:01 AM

So tonight's the big night. Not only is it the season finale but from what I've read they're going to setup the "big change" for next season. Should be interesting.

hopefully they'll permantly close down the LA office of CTU. The security is laughable, and they always find a way to hire a mole

CPanther95

05-21-07, 10:23 AM

Yeah the first funny Simpsons in what 5 or 6 years.

Agreed. After a couple episodes this season, I finaly got rid of the season pass. The good episodes over the past 5 years, or so, have been few and far between.

The 24 spoof was great though.

noleintheburg

05-21-07, 10:37 AM

Supposedly they have a story arc for the last 2 seasons, and the end of the season finale sets up the begining of that.....I hope that isn't deemed a spoiler, it was right off the EW website.

bpade

05-21-07, 10:51 AM

Supposedly they have a story arc for the last 2 seasons, and the end of the season finale sets up the begining of that.....I hope that isn't deemed a spoiler, it was right off the EW website.

That's too vague to be a spoiler. Anyone who complains about that should never go on a 24 discussion forum.

Aliens

05-21-07, 11:17 AM

Is anybody else glad this season of 24 is over? :)
I thought it ended a month ago :rolleyes: - at least it seems that way. I’m not finding anything to get excited about with tonight’s show, which is how I’ve felt for the past month. I wasn’t about to bailout after following it for all of these years, but it sure has been anticlimactic as of late. They'll have to do some serious overhauling for me to come back next year.

zeroendless

05-21-07, 11:21 AM

Ended 4/5 weeks ago, had it removed from season pass. ;)

Is anybody else glad this season of 24 is over? :)

RDK006

05-21-07, 06:25 PM

Is anybody else glad this season of 24 is over? :)
Nope. Been enjoying it, warts and all.

bpade

05-21-07, 08:12 PM

Is anybody else glad this season of 24 is over? :)

If it's that bad for you, why keep watching? Why would you be glad it's over?

jonnythan

05-21-07, 09:59 PM

Holy hell.

Mike4HDTV

05-21-07, 10:01 PM

The season finale was very good except for the ending which I didn't like.

lax01

05-21-07, 10:03 PM

Fox just lost one hardcore 24 fan....what an absolute pile of garbage...

No twists
No turns
No surprises
Predictable plot
Boring
Just about the worst season of 24 I have ever seen...

If I do DVR it next season, it will have the lowest priority and I don't care if I miss an episode...certainly won't be looking forward to it every Monday...

wow...I'm still shocked at just how bad that was...

now to watch Heroes, which I'm sure, will not disappoint

jonnythan

05-21-07, 10:05 PM

You will not be missed next season.

Ten bucks says you'll be posting next year, saying the same BS.

TravelFan1

05-21-07, 10:05 PM

lax, I hope you enjoy Heroes - I am not following it, but there's no way it can be worse than this big piece of crap that I've just watched.......

The end was the lamest....

Hopefully Heroes will repeat during the summer and, next Jan, I will be addicted to it and not to this lame s^&&***! PATHETIC!

jim9251

05-21-07, 10:10 PM

This was my first season to watch 24. I thought it was good. Chloe got on my nerves, and the ending was a bit anti-climatic, but overall an entertaining season.

kucharsk

05-21-07, 10:13 PM

Fox just lost one hardcore 24 fan....what an absolute pile of garbage...

No twists
No turns
No surprises
Predictable plot
Boring
Just about the worst season of 24 I have ever seen...

Bye, and please don't watch next year.

The same for everyone else that seems to feel the need to watch then spend their time complaining how it's no longer worth their time to watch. If you really feel that way, don't watch and do something else with those 24 hours of your life; you'll be happier because you don't have to watch and we'll be happier because we don't have to read your complaints.

Digger16309

05-21-07, 10:15 PM

If it's that bad for you, why keep watching? Why would you be glad it's over?

Time invested in the season. If it had sucked through hour 4, I certainly would have bailed then. And, hope that the writers hit a rough patch and would pull themselves out of it. Instead they drove the plot arcs into the abyss.

What kind of ending was that? The climax came with 30 minutes to go. Then it got soapy. 24 has been soapy in the past, but usually for no more than 5 minutes at a stretch.

Chole is pregnant? Could there be a more lame plot twist? So we can expect her to be chasing down babysitters next season? Hmmm - seemed she played the babysitter role once. Maybe Chole and Morris will get a spin-off show, 24 - The Baby Edition.

Did I just watch the season finale of 24, or Eight is Enough?

I'm embarrassed for everyone associated with the show.

noleintheburg

05-21-07, 10:15 PM

I thought it was a good ending, especially when he said he was at a crossroads.....it can't always be a cliffhanger. I would like to know who Heller was speaking to on the phone, that may play alter on, otherwise why show that?

You guys complain about the writing, well guess what, with that ending the writers are not cornering themselves, and now can pretty much go anywhere they want.

kucharsk

05-21-07, 10:16 PM

Yeah the first funny Simpsons in what 5 or 6 years.

Hmmm, I didn't find it that funny, aside from Kiefer's "24, I mean The Simpsons."

If you want funny, watch the 24 spoof South Park did earlier this year. The 24 guys were so impressed they sent them a suitcase nuke prop!

kucharsk

05-21-07, 10:18 PM

Did I just watch the season finale of 24, or Eight is Enough?

I'm embarrassed for everyone associated with the show.
Yep, can never have anything but pure action on 24; how dare the characters be human and show emotions?

Please, find yourself an "I hate 24!" board and stop complaining here.

John Chu

05-21-07, 10:35 PM

It's strange how some people on this thread, take it soooooo personally and get so passionate when other people have a different opinion about something they like.

Most people on this thread, love the show--- we just want it to get better!

It is not a personal attack against you!

Part of the fun of this show is to laugh and joke about the absurd and crazy aspects of it.

We want the writers to try to top themselves each time---and part of that process is feedback.

And sometimes that feedback may seem "negative".

Digger16309

05-21-07, 10:35 PM

Yep, can never have anything but pure action on 24; how dare the characters be human and show emotions?

Please, find yourself an "I hate 24!" board and stop complaining here.

I'll do what I like, thank you very much. If you don't like my posts, or posts from others who found this season to be insufferable, you can block our posts quite easily.

I've watched 24 since Hour 1 of Day 1. I know what it is supposed to be like. I do not hate 24. I think the writers got excessively lazy and created unreasonably subpar programming compared to what was shown the other 5 seasons. I question the sanity of anyone who has seen all 6 seasons and thinks otherwise.

Digger16309

05-21-07, 10:37 PM

Yep, can never have anything but pure action on 24; how dare the characters be human and show emotions?

Please, find yourself an "I hate 24!" board and stop complaining here.

And FYI, the more you ask the complainers to stop posting, the more they will post.

noleintheburg

05-21-07, 10:38 PM

I think this season was probably the worst one overall, still its as I like to say "My show".

I also think the way it ended made perfect sense, now they can get a fresh start, the whole "Islamic terrorist is gonna blow up LA" thing is done....I'd like to see a sort of "Rainbow Six" type thing, where Jack is recruited as the leader.

bpade

05-21-07, 10:40 PM

Line left on the cutting room floor:

"Is it mine?"

kucharsk

05-21-07, 10:41 PM

It's strange how some people on this thread, take it soooooo personally and get so passionate when other people have a different opinion about something they like.

Though there's a difference between "they could have done better" and "this show is over, I've wasted my time, I'm not watching again, etc."

People definitely do have different opinions, BTW; I thought the writing was weak this season, but frankly would still rather watch it than Day 1 again, which I found plain painful to sit through.

I also thought Day 5 was their best to date.

ToddR

05-21-07, 10:50 PM

This has probably been my least favorite season of 24. It has also been my first season watching weekly instead of on DVDs in an accelerated time period. But, I'll be back in January.

I am about 50 times more excited about the Lost finale on Wednesday than I was tonight's 24 finale, but I liked it more than I expected.

Biggest problem: you're not going to let go of a helicopter doing 100+ knots, no matter how low it's flying, and hit the water without injury.

I've had waterskiing wipeouts where the water felt like concrete, much less leaping from a speeding helicopter!

And that's after I willingly suspended the oil rig explosions and so forth not being completely disruptive to the helicopter's stable airflow.

lax01

05-21-07, 10:56 PM

oh wow...Heroes was amazing...so glad I left it last...

Tell me what was so great about this season of 24? Honestly, I'd like to know...

Tom Imp

05-21-07, 11:05 PM

What the hell was that crap last 1/2 hour? There were rumors flying around everywhere that there was gonna be a huge shocker and someone from the past was coming back from the dead. I sat there for a 1/2 hour waiting specifically for that and it never happened.

DaytonBuckeye

05-21-07, 11:10 PM

Any idea where I can watch the finale? My Tivo did not record for some unknown reason!

Digger16309

05-21-07, 11:15 PM

Any idea where I can watch the finale? My Tivo did not record for some unknown reason!

I don't use it so don't hold me responsible if it doesn't work, but here is a Fox-sanctioned link:

http://streaming.myfoxboston.com/index.html

Raln

05-21-07, 11:16 PM

Didn't someone from the show- maybe one of the writers- say a few weeks ago that they missed the mark this season and that next season will be better? If so, I can understand the ending. As another poster said earlier, they're not painted into a corner now- they've got several months to fine tune the first part of next season, and they can now go wherever they want with it without having to rely on this season for direction.

In other words, it could be said that they "sacrificed" this season finale for a much better '08 season premiere.

That said, I couldn't help but enjoy the first hour and a half and I think that overall it was a pretty good finale considering the circumstances.

lax01

05-21-07, 11:19 PM

Anybody else hoping Jack was going to jump off the ledge?

The thought crossed my mind after this season...

donja

05-21-07, 11:24 PM

My wife and I have been fans since hour 1 of day 1. We hung in with this season because we still felt that it was better than the reality garbage and bad sitcoms that are on. But we sat here tonight after that last half hour and were speechless at what we had just watched. This isn't a relationship show. It's not so much about ending with a bang, as just ending with something. That could have just as easily been the series finale as the season finale. It didn't leave me looking forward to anything, and after this season, that could be trouble for retaining an audience. We have the first 5 season DVD sets, but I'm not so sure I'll bother with this season ...and I'm not too sure about bothering with any future seasons either.

Mike4HDTV

05-21-07, 11:29 PM

Anybody else hoping Jack was going to jump off the ledge?

The thought crossed my mind after this season...

I wasn't hoping Jack would jump off the ledge but it appeared Jack was thinking about suicide.

RAVEN56706

05-21-07, 11:31 PM

can someone give me a summary of the ending of 24...

IAM4UK

05-22-07, 12:14 AM

can someone give me a summary of the ending of 24...
Jack seeks out Secretary Heller, and tells him at gunpoint he can't stop him from seeing Audrey. He then tells Audrey (apparently unconcious/asleep) he's "at a crossroads" and should stay away from her...but he loves her forever. Jack walks to a railing at the top of a rocky cliff above the shore, and has a melancholy/suicidal look on his face. FADE OUT

Oh, yeah. Before that, Jack and Buchanan steal the CTU helicopter, rescue Josh, arrest Cheng, and ensure destruction of the FB circuit board (plus Philip Bauer), thus averting war with the Russians. No biggie.

Raln

05-22-07, 12:36 AM

And Ricky Schroeder is blind, either one or both eyes. Chloe passed out and is pregnant. Morris said "You mean, with child?". Vice President Daniels as played by Powers Boothe definitely isn't the villain that we all wanted him to be.

If anyone still wants to watch after reading the summaries, I expect that the last 2 hours will eventually be put up on 24's Myspace page (http://myspace.com/24).

WERA689

05-22-07, 12:52 AM

Anybody wonder what happened to Milo's brother? Or President Logan, for that matter?

IAM4UK

05-22-07, 12:53 AM

I'm still a "24" fan, but the only thing this season failed to recycle from previous seasons was the flippin' cougar. We can be thankful for that.

I did value one thing VP Daniels said that gave his character a bit of depth (rather than the one-dimensional villian): "Until you've sat in this chair, you really know nothing." Having been a commander, I understand that when tough decisions are your responsibility, all the armchair quarterbacking that used to make you think it was so easy becomes worthless and irrelevant. Amplify the burden of responsibility many thousands of times for the Commander-in-Chief, and it becomes something we cannot directly appreciate.

mastahkaz

05-22-07, 01:00 AM

A crappy finale is only fitting for such a crappy season.

Robert Clark

05-22-07, 01:24 AM

Wow, that episode, and season was awful. That about wraps up 24 for me...

NetworkTV

05-22-07, 01:29 AM

Hmmm. It seems like the writers came up a bit light on material to fill the end of the show....

pretzelkid

05-22-07, 02:27 AM

Who else was yelling at Jack to get the circuit board from pops' pocket??

Next season probably starts out with the revelation that pops Bauer flops into the water with a James Bond breathing thingy and gets picked up by the Chinese anyway (big sub leaves...little baby sub picks him up) and Chang negotiates his release cuz he knows the secret word to release Jacks horsey face gf out of her catatonic state... :D

I guess you could say Jack standing at the cliff looking down and thinking "should I?" was the cliffhanger??

NetworkTV

05-22-07, 03:01 AM

Who else was yelling at Jack to get the circuit board from pops' pocket??

Next season probably starts out with the revelation that pops Bauer flops into the water with a James Bond breathing thingy and gets picked up by the Chinese anyway (big sub leaves...little baby sub picks him up) and Chang negotiates his release cuz he knows the secret word to release Jacks horsey face gf out of her catatonic state... :D
No, that will big the big "twist" midway through the season. They won't dare start the next season out that way or they won't get anyone to stick around for the second hour.

keenan

05-22-07, 03:18 AM

Who else was yelling at Jack to get the circuit board from pops' pocket??

:p :D

And why was it even in pop's pocket? We just spent the last 5-6 episodes watching Chang trying to procure it, and then he hands it to pops and says, "here, you hold this" . :p Frickin' hilarious.

videojanitor

05-22-07, 04:59 AM

This was my first season to watch 24. I thought it was good.

Same here. I don't know why I picked this season to start watching -- just worked out that way. What can I say -- I was entertained -- perhaps because I wasn't comparing it to previous efforts. I purposely avoided this thread until the end of the season, and just popped into to see what was being said. Wow, seems to be pretty clear consensus that it stunk!

Guess I need to get the DVDs of some previous seasons to see what the fuss is all about. Any suggestions on where to start? Season 1 would seem obvious, but I see many comments about season 5 possibly being the best.

Aliens

05-22-07, 06:07 AM

Anybody else hoping Jack was going to jump off the ledge?

I was waiting for them to zoom out into the ocean and see dear ol’ dad getting away in the boat.

Line of the night…

Chloe: I’m pregnant.

Morris: You’re going to have a baby?

Chloe: Yea, that’s what pregnant means. :D

bpade

05-22-07, 07:38 AM

I'd like to know why the VP didn't order the Navy to sink the ChiComm sub.

My wife and I both want to know why Chang gave the circuit board to Jack's dad? He kept asking for it, then when he finally has it, he gives it back. He wouldn't have joined his security forces fighting Jack, he would have been heading straight to the boat with the circuit board.

donja

05-22-07, 08:05 AM

videojanitor - my suggestion would be to start with season 1 if you really want to get into the series. Every season tells its own story, but at some point there are references to characters or events from previous seasons in each season. The impact of some events is greater when you know more about the history of the show.

Watching previous seasons will also give you a better idea why everyone has their shorts in a knot about this one. Not so good 24 is still better than most other shows, but this season just didn't hit the mark that the previous seasons have set ...and that was a big disappointment

bphisig

05-22-07, 08:21 AM

Start with season 1.

Let's face it, this was a subpar season, but it DID have it's moments, and it's still more entertaining than almost anything else on television.

I loved the ending last night. Jack FINALLY took the time to reflect on where he has been the last several years. I mean let's see, the guy fought off a heroin addiction, staged his own death and went into hiding, and was tortured for two years in a Chinese prison. The guy deserves at least 30 minutes of downtime. It's surprising that they didn't just start off this season in that manner.

I read an article yesterday regarding the "rebirth" of 24 next year. Rumor is that there might not even be a CTU. At the very least, it's something TPTB are considering. I think this ending really leaves their options open as to what they can do with next season. It isn't like in years past where they have written themselves into a corner, leaving them with really only one option as a starting point. They are basically free to do whatever they want. Whatever you lose in a cliffhanger will be more than made up for with a better storyline next season.

Look for 24 to rebound in a big way next year. They've never had 2 clunker seasons in a row. I thought Season 3 was subpar, and 4 and 5 were the two best. So there's still hope.