Just watched Babylon 5 (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0001M3MXY) (Oppo971 1080i dvi-to-dvi FHD1 Game full dot-by-dot). No problems. Looks nice.

I own a Pioneer Pro FHD-1 display since 4 months now (roughly 300hours on it) and I am really pleased with its performance. I mostly watch DVDs or TV (via SAT), the picture quality in HD is stunning.

I have reduced the contrast settings to a moderate 20 to prevent any screen burn while watching TV with bright channel logos. So far I did not have any issue with screen burn (thank God!!)

But I am now planning to buy a Playstation 2 game console and want to use it on my Pioneer.

I have heard many problems with respect to screen burn on almost all plasma panels so I am really worried that playing with my PS2 might ruin my plasma screen.

Does anybody have any experience with a PS2 (or other game console) and a Pioneer Pro FHD-1 (or related model) regarding screen burn?

Is it enough to set the AVMode to "Game" or do I still have to take care of something else?

Thanks for your help!!

Im in the market for a new tv, but form factor isnt a problem (flat panel, rear projection...) do any of you guys know if this 1080P plasma has a better picture than the Sony KDS-R60XBR2 ??? Thanks

I was convinced via the specs and the price that the XBR2 was going to be the set for me. Before I plunked down the $$$ I decided to check it out at a dealer; a considerable drive but well worth it. I was quite impressed with the picture but I simply could not get past the limited viewing angles for the XBR2. Not only was the side angle very limited but the clincher for me was the limited vertical viewing angle. Even standing a reasonable distance away from the set both my wife and I noticed the corners of the screen furthest from our vantage point to be significantly dimmer than the closest corners. I would stand and crouch in the showroom to watch this bright clear band of the picture slide up and down the screen. The sweet spot for the set appeared to be much further from the screen than I expected (where I doubt I would even notice if I was watching 1080p or 720)!

In the end I looked at my viewing habits, and the fact that I don't like to continually upgrade, and decided not to compromise. I've had the FHD1 for a couple of weeks and can't get enough of it. I intend to have it in the house for a long time.

REMOTE CONTROL RAW CCF COMMAND LIST

Not sure if anyone here is looking for this or not, but someone in the 1540 thread was asking for this and I figured I'd share it here too.

PRO-FHD1 Raw CCF Command List:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/ci/codes/0,,2076_274927473,00.html
(for use with various remotes including Pronto and Universal Remote Controls)

It is my experience that you have to live with the buzz. The brighter the scene, the louder the buzz. If you use the save2 mode, then the buzz subsides considerably. The standard power mode is really loud ! I have the tv on save2 and am now not bothered by the buzz. Of course the buzz is still there, and if I want to listen to the buzz during the quiet scenes, I can. You can either concentrate on the buzz, or enjoy the superb picture :)Hi Pinkus and others,
Re: Buzzing - I would like to know - is anyone with the buzzing issues listening to audio output using speaker L/R outputs on the back of the FHD1 panel?
I ask...because I originally hooked my FHD1 using the audio outputs on the back of the panel and picked up all kinds of noise....just a thought.

Hi Pinkus and others,
Re: Buzzing - I would like to know - is anyone with the buzzing issues listening to audio output using speaker L/R outputs on the back of the FHD1 panel?
I ask...because I originally hooked my FHD1 using the audio outputs on the back of the panel and picked up all kinds of noise....just a thought.

I have noted that the FHD1 (and probably other plasmas) emits one hell of alot of RF interference. I have an AM/FM tuner about 5 feet away from the FHD1 (with a wall in between), and when the monitor is on, it completely obliterates AM reception with incredible buzzing and noise. FM reception is uneffected as I would expect.

Also noted almost no buzz whatsoever (standing right up against the FHD1's top edge) with any program material via the Comcast cable box. When I hit the input for the Oppo 970, and then change the selector on my pre-amp (to which the 970's sound output is connected), there is a buzzing sound. That buzz changes given the brightness of the screen.

But the cable box connection is silent? Anyway, buzzing and line noise can be incompatible grounding, RF interference or some other electrical issue. Good luck on isolating it.

SB

Except for the minor difference that the 940 is smaller than both the 1140 and FHD1, I would agree with you. Look, if you have an 1140 and are happy with it, great. I really like mine, too. I am just offering a theory as to why my wife and I both think the image looks sharper with the FHD1 at the same viewing distance. Maybe it's because the FHD1 has somewhat different processing circuitry. I don't know because I doubt you can rely on Pioneer using similar marketing terminology to determine whether the two panels share the same circuitry.

On the other hand, maybe I'm just deluding myself as you seem to think. At least it works for me. :)It's because the FHD1 UPCONVERTS the 1080i "interlaced" 2 pass signal to a 1080p "progressive signal" one pass signal, which means no artifacting, and a smooth seamless picture, like the saying goes, you get what you pay for, congrats on your new PDP, hope you have many years of enjoyment, I hate you :)

Try this url: http://www.forbes.com/business/forbes/2006/1225/056.html You have to sign up, which takes a few minutes.

Basically the writer says that the FHD-1 puts every other plasma to shame. Not sure I agree with him, as the 1140HD is no slouch either.

His other recommendation is the 52inch sharp for $3150, which according to him, is pretty much indistinguishable from the pioneer, if you dial down its blacklight, make a few tweaks, and don't watch in complete darkness.

Long term, I think plasma is toast. The LCD's are coming on strong. But for the moment, we can all enjoy our FHD-1's.LCD'S don't even compare to Plasma, that is why they have droped their prices so they can sell them, Plasma is here to stay, nothing at the moment comes CLOSE.

LCD'S don't even compare to Plasma, that is why they have droped their prices so they can sell them, Plasma is here to stay, nothing at the moment comes CLOSE.

Well I for one (and I'm not the only one) sure can't agree with that.

LCDs have really closed the performance gap and in some areas can exceed plasma - especially brightness and punchiness of image in well lit surroundings.

Today I was viewing HD feeds on the Sony Bravia LCD beside a similar sized Pioneer plasma. Neither set was calibrated very well, but the advantages of each image were nonetheless discernable. The Pioneer had somewhat richer color detail, but the LCD had
greater apparent sharpness and the punchiness of it's image often gave it a more solid, dimensional and realistic vibe over the plasma.

Put them both in darker surroundings and the advantage will tend toward the plasma. But not everyone views in darker surroundings (I do...a lot of people don't).

So it's not so cut and dried.

Does anybody have any experience with a PS2 (or other game console) and a Pioneer Pro FHD-1 (or related model) regarding screen burn?

Is it enough to set the AVMode to "Game" or do I still have to take care of something else?

Thanks for your help!!

I use an Xbox 360 on the FHD1. Never had a problem. I have only had it for 2-3 weeks but it hasn't been a problem, even during the all-important break in period. Gotta go...Rainbow Six is calling!

Exactly what spec are the HDMI ports? I know they arent 1.3, are they 1.2?

I called Pioneer back when there were rumors of the FHD1's ports being firmware upgradeable to 1.3. They are currently 1.2 (actually the guy said either 1.2a or 1.2b - whatever that means). The tech had no idea about the rumored upgrade.

But I am now planning to buy a Playstation 2 game console and want to use it on my Pioneer.

I have heard many problems with respect to screen burn on almost all plasma panels so I am really worried that playing with my PS2 might ruin my plasma screen.

Does anybody have any experience with a PS2 (or other game console) and a Pioneer Pro FHD-1 (or related model) regarding screen burn?

Is it enough to set the AVMode to "Game" or do I still have to take care of something else?

Thanks for your help!!I use the Xbox 360 on my 1540 all the time and for extended hours and have had no issues. I think you'll find that the majority of people here have not had any problems. If you did ever see some IR, just tune to another source for awhile and it should go away.

As for the "game" mode, all it does is allow you to keep separate settings that you can adjust to your liking for that source - your PS2.

Well I for one (and I'm not the only one) sure can't agree with that.

LCDs have really closed the performance gap and in some areas can exceed plasma - especially brightness and punchiness of image in well lit surroundings.

Today I was viewing HD feeds on the Sony Bravia LCD beside a similar sized Pioneer plasma. Neither set was calibrated very well, but the advantages of each image were nonetheless discernable. The Pioneer had somewhat richer color detail, but the LCD had
greater apparent sharpness and the punchiness of it's image often gave it a more solid, dimensional and realistic vibe over the plasma.

Put them both in darker surroundings and the advantage will tend toward the plasma. But not everyone views in darker surroundings (I do...a lot of people don't).

So it's not so cut and dried.

Well do take into account a few things. LCDs do have a sharpness and punchiness in store. I don't believe that this is true once you get it home.

I have both an LCD and a Plasma and that 'sharpness'/punchiness advantage is erased unless you're watching in a place as bright as a store room floor.

Kicking down the backlight on an LCD tends to make it alot less punchier. That's why I love Plasmas... you can have a low base black level, and keep that punchy brightness.

But other than that, the newer LCDs are more than improvements in my mind. They are being transformed! It's amazing how good they look these days regardless. I still think the best plasmas look better in mid-to-low light areas.

LCDs kick Plasmas ass when it comes to a bright room though. I still like their black screen material, daytime usage in a super bright room, PC use, beauty with still images via 1080p, and no burn in or retention at all.

But also at the same time, saying the Pioneer Pro-FHD1 is equal to a Sharp D62 is laughable.

I have the PDF printed out but are these th emost current settings or has D-Nice changed some settings? Also looking for best settings for the Verizon Fios Motorola Box - 6416?

Hi all,

Here is the link for the Forbes Article without requiring you to sign up or give your credit card information.

http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2006/1225/056.html

Take care,

Basheer

This topic has probably been beat to a pulp around here, but I want to know how dark the blackest black should be on the FHD1. With no input, brightness turned down, and nothing but the TV on in the room, I still see dark (albeit really dark) grey. Am I expecting too much if I say the blackest black should look like off with this display?

I have the PDF printed out but are these th emost current settings or has D-Nice changed some settings? Also looking for best settings for the Verizon Fios Motorola Box - 6416?I don't know how old your copy is, but here's his latest settings:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8564305&&#post8564305

Of course this is not a .pdf, so maybe you are referring to something else?

Hi Pinkus and others,
Re: Buzzing - I would like to know - is anyone with the buzzing issues listening to audio output using speaker L/R outputs on the back of the FHD1 panel?
I ask...because I originally hooked my FHD1 using the audio outputs on the back of the panel and picked up all kinds of noise....just a thought.

However, for movies, I use dedicated HT speakers. I hear the buzz, not during TV viewing, but during movies, as the lights are low, and I am concentrating on the movie. This is a total non-issue, as the only time I hear a buzz, is when the soundtrack stops, and the video goes from an all black screen to a screen with some content.

Ultimate AV Mag now only has one ultimate choice flat panel -- the FHD-1. Prior to the update, they had 2 ultimate choices...the Pioneer 1130 and a 42 inch Panny.

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/buyersguides/flatpanels/

A blurb on the site says:

"What does it say that the Pioneer Elite PRO-FHD1 now sits alone as our Ultimate Choice in flat panels? That this 1080p plasma is in a class by itself...This is the best flat panel display we've seen yet, period."

I don't want to get blade started again, but Pioneer hit one out of the park with the FHD-1. The consensus seems pretty unanimous.

There is another review at hometheaterhifi.com.

Ultimate AV Mag now only has one ultimate choice flat panel -- the FHD-1. Prior to the update, they had 2 ultimate choices...the Pioneer 1130 and a 42 inch Panny.

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/buyersguides/flatpanels/

A blurb on the site says:

"What does it say that the Pioneer Elite PRO-FHD1 now sits alone as our Ultimate Choice in flat panels? That this 1080p plasma is in a class by itself...This is the best flat panel display we've seen yet, period."

I don't want to get blade started again, but Pioneer hit one out of the park with the FHD-1. The consensus seems pretty unanimous.

There is another review at hometheaterhifi.com.

From day 1 and the "first impression thead on the FHD1" what I have claimed has been true..time and time again, review and review again....the simple fact is the FHD1 is the BEST PLASMA MONITOR OUT THERE BAR NONE... THERE ARE NO CONTENDERS ONLY PRETENDERS. Pound for Pound, pixal for pixal....there is only one the FHD1....thank you WWW.ULTIMATEAVMAG.COM and all the preivous reviewers. I challenge anybody to name a product that has recieved an equal number of favorable reviews, I challenge anybody to so me a product which has perfomed better for a first generation model, I challenge anybody to SHOW me a better picture....you can run an duck because any other product will be in the shadow of the FHD1 :cool:

I will finally be receiving the pioneer BR player on monday and will probably be up and ruuning on tuesday for my review on its performance on the FHD1..REMEMBER,
This could be the "greatest hometheater combo in hi-def history" :D

From day 1 and the "first impression thead on the FHD1" what I have claimed has been true..time and time again, review and review again....the simple fact is the FHD1 is the BEST PLASMA MONITOR OUT THERE BAR NONE... THERE ARE NO CONTENDERS ONLY PRETENDERS. Pound for Pound, pixal for pixal....there is only one the FHD1....thank you WWW.ULTIMATEAVMAG.COM and all the preivous reviewers.

Hehe.

Someone's on top of the world. I guess all Pro-FHD1 owners feel that way no?

From day 1 and the "first impression thead on the FHD1" what I have claimed has been true..time and time again, review and review again....the simple fact is the FHD1 is the BEST PLASMA MONITOR OUT THERE BAR NONE... THERE ARE NO CONTENDERS ONLY PRETENDERS. Pound for Pound, pixal for pixal....there is only one the FHD1....thank you WWW.ULTIMATEAVMAG.COM and all the preivous reviewers. I challenge anybody to name a product that has recieved an equal number of favorable reviews, I challenge anybody to so me a product which has perfomed better for a first generation model, I challenge anybody to SHOW me a better picture....you can run an duck because any other product will be in the shadow of the FHD1 :cool:

[QUOTE] I will finally be receiving the pioneer BR player on monday and will probably be up and ruuning on tuesday for my review on its performance on the FHD1..REMEMBER,
This could be the "greatest hometheater combo in hi-def history" :D

Hey Bladerunner, looking forward to your Pioneer BR player review.

Hey Bladerunner, looking forward to your Pioneer BR player review.

Yeah me too! Finally a review that wil be COMPLETELY UNBIASED! :rolleyes:

I challenge anybody to SHOW me a better picture....

And even if someone did, you would never admit to it....

I'm happy I bought the PRO-FHD1 too, but doesn't anyone have anything to say about my 'contrast=45' and 'blackest blacks' inquiries?

And even if someone did, you would never admit to it....

Ha, ha...yeah but the big question could be reversed for you to ask it to yourself. Forget Bladerunner's Jesus freak act for the moment, and go back and read the recent Ultimate AV Review. As for the new BR player, if it doesn't come up to snuff, it will soon be proven one way or another.

Ha, ha...yeah but the big question could be reversed for you to ask it to yourself.

I've seen it and the Panasonic, and I don't think either one is night and day better than the other. But I do think that one is more overpriced than the other for what it is, and it's not the Panasonic.

But size can be everything. If you need bigger than 50", then one is too small. And if you need smaller than 60"-65", then one is too big!

And as for the reviews... Seeing as the Pioneer came out first and quite a bit ahead of the Panasonic and places are just really starting to review it, it more or less stands to reason why it's getting those kind of reviews. So any reviews for the Panasonic may still probably be about a month away before they start showing up. Not to mention you may never see any reviews from a print magazine or maybe even a online magazine about the commercial/industrial 1080p Panasonics.

As for the new BR player, if it doesn't come up to snuff, it will soon be proven one way or another.


Yeah well, I can tell you what joe six-pack and the general public will probably be looking at now and buying for their HD players of DVD's, and it ain't gonna be a $1500 single format BR players!


As per http://www.twice.com/article/CA6404176.html?nid=2402

"By Steve Smith -- TWICE, 1/4/2007 6:59:00 AM

New York — LG Electronics provided a few surprises days before International CES opens in Las Vegas, announcing last night that it will launch the first Blu-ray Disc-HD DVD combination player at the show and this morning that Allan Jason has been named marketing VP of consumer electronics."


Or maybe they will just buy Warners new discs....http://www.twice.com/article/CA6404279.html?nid=2402

By Greg Tarr -- TWICE, 1/4/2007 10:03:00 AM

Burbank, Calif. - Warner Brothers executives announced plans to soon begin producing a hybrid high-definition disc that will carry both HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc content.

The disc technology, which Warner Brothers is calling “Total HD,” is actually capable of carrying three formats simultaneously – HD DVD, Blu-ray and DVD – but the company will start out by offering only the high definition formats, executives said. The company originally announced its disc plans this summer."

I've seen it and the Panasonic, and I don't think either one is night and day better than the other. But I do think that one is more overpriced than the other for what it is, and it's not the Panasonic.

But size can be everything. If you need bigger than 50", then one is too small. And if you need smaller than 60"-65", then one is too big!

And as for the reviews... Seeing as the Pioneer came out first and quite a bit ahead of the Panasonic and places are just really starting to review it, it more or less stands to reason why it's getting those kind of reviews. So any reviews for the Panasonic may still probably be about a month away before they start showing up. Not to mention you may never see any reviews from a print magazine or maybe even a online magazine about the commercial/industrial 1080p Panasonics.

I've never thought it a fair or accurate comparison between a 65" screen & 50"er, as it's apples & oranges. You're right, size can be everything and as RH & others had commented previously, a 65"er can easily show more detail than a 50"er because it's...well, it's bigger. But this is more than just being first on the block w/a 1080p Plasma, and I think the professional reviewers & bench tests have proven that point very well.

[QUOTE=Johnla]Yeah well, I can tell you what joe six-pack and the general public will probably be looking at now and buying for their HD players of DVD's, and it ain't gonna be a $1500 single format BR players!


As per http://www.twice.com/article/CA6404176.html?nid=2402

"By Steve Smith -- TWICE, 1/4/2007 6:59:00 AM

New York — LG Electronics provided a few surprises days before International CES opens in Las Vegas, announcing last night that it will launch the first Blu-ray Disc-HD DVD combination player at the show and this morning that Allan Jason has been named marketing VP of consumer electronics."


Or maybe they will just buy Warners new discs....http://www.twice.com/article/CA6404279.html?nid=2402[QUOTE]

Yeah, I've read those articles and it's always been my contention that there does not have to be an "either, or" battle of the formats here as was the case w/VHS & Beta years ago. But rather, it's more than possible that these two formats can exist at the same time and be profitable...at least for the near future anyway. Kuddos, for the dual format players.

But this is more than just being first on the block w/a 1080p Plasma, and I think the professional reviewers & bench tests have proven that point very well.

And you have completely missed the point!
Because they were the first on the block, they are also the ones that have been reviewed first and in any amount. Actually they pretty much so far have been the only 1080p plasma that's been reviewed by either a print magazine or a online magazine. It's not very hard to win a review as being the so called "best" 1080p plasma, when you are also pretty much the only one that has been tested and reviewed so far.

No, I have not missed your point, and expressed that just because it's the first on the block w/1080p and first to be reviewed doesn't take away from the remarkable advancements in Plasma tech & PQ that this display has demonstrated. Yeah, I got your point but don't agree w/it in the least.

Yeah, I got your point but don't agree w/it in the least.

Oh.... You don't agree in the least..... It's more kind a dose of reality, in that nothing else has really been professionally reviewed yet in 1080p plasmas. So what, are you afraid that later reviews on other sets may possibly show something to be as good as, or maybe even better?

Yeah well, I can tell you what joe six-pack and the general public will probably be looking at now and buying for their HD players of DVD's, and it ain't gonna be a $1500 single format BR players!

Pioneer Elite products have never been marketed to the "Joe Six-Pack" crowd, so there's no news there. The Joe Six-Pack crowd won't be buying any video processors either, nor will be drawn to other top-tier video displays regardless whether are RPTV, projectors, LCD, or whatever. Same on the audio side of the equation. I'd forget what Joe Six-Pack thinks, and continue your search for the better quality products rather than low-priced Wal-Mart driven consumer electronics. Sometime you REALLY do have to pay to play.

Sometime you REALLY do have to pay to play.

Yeah but you also don't have to overpay to play either. I have a few Elite products, but some are worth extra over a non-Elite product and some are not. And sometimes you are only paying for a higher end "name" with perceived "higher" quality. Some of their mid priced AVR's you can buy a non-Elite AVR and it's built in the same way and with the same parts other than the front faceplate as the low cost Elite is, in fact the service manual is even the same for both.

Don't know about Pioneer's BR player to comment on that score, and agree that there are times that you do pay for a nameplate rather than actual quality. The Pioneer PRO-FHD1 does not fit that category. It's a quality product from stem to stern. If you're in sticker shock now, just wait until the Fujitsu's new 1080p Aviamo's hit the stores. Can't wait for your Joe Six-Pack comments then!:D

And you have completely missed the point!
Because they were the first on the block, they are also the ones that have been reviewed first and in any amount. Actually they pretty much so far have been the only 1080p plasma that's been reviewed by either a print magazine or a online magazine. It's not very hard to win a review as being the so called "best" 1080p plasma, when you are also pretty much the only one that has been tested and reviewed so far.

Every time there is a first of any kind of a product, reviewers usually hedge their bets because they know in due time, better products will appear. Also reviewers are usually a very tough crowd to please.

Just wait until Joe Sixpack gets here to defend himself

Just wait until Joe Sixpack gets here to defend himself

First off, Joe's has to buy a computer..:D

Just wait until Joe Sixpack gets here to defend himselfI guess that’s akin to waiting for SED? :p They'll arrive together here.. :D

I guess that’s akin to waiting for SED? :p They'll arrive together here.. :D

Or akin to waiting for Godot, given Canon and Toshiba's SED announcement today.

Or akin to waiting for Godot, given Canon and Toshiba's SED announcement today.Yes, this Godot fellow’s name has come up several times on the SED thread but turned out to be a no show. Perhaps we found the true identity to Joe Six Pack. :p

No more thread hi jacking from me, :cool: let’s get back to all of the great Pio Pro chat.

The disc technology, which Warner Brothers is calling “Total HD,” is actually capable of carrying three formats simultaneously – HD DVD, Blu-ray and DVD – but the company will start out by offering only the high definition formats, executives said. The company originally announced its disc plans this summer."
I had a bit of a chuckle when I thought:
a) HD-DVD on side A
b) BluRay on side B ('B' for Blue ya know)
c) DVD on side, uh, "We'll start out by offering only the high definition formats, and we'll figure out the DVD bit later."

antidata27:

I haven't been doing tuning with "THX Optimizer" nor Avia nor DVE, because supposidly the colour space is wrong for HD-DVD. I suppose that since I have my Oppo DVD player on a different input, I could use those for that input, but I haven't yet. For HD-DVD we're awaiting the new DVE HD-DVD, possibly out in February.

But with any luck that'll be moot anyway, since I plan on an ISF Calibration later in this month -- although I haven't scheduled anyone yet so perhaps I'm optimistic on the scheduling.
I say 'with any luck' because I know that some people get their sets ISF Calibrated, and aren't fond of the picture so they do their own settings post.

Black levels
- check out umr's posts in the now-locked thread on the FHD1. He suggested that according to his instruments, nothing out there had better black level (low light level) control than the FHD1. umr is a professional ISF calibrator (I think he's HAA too). In addition to posting some science units about the levels, he also commented on how at extreme low levels grey doesn't appear as grey it's sort of blue on purpose for some reason which I don't recall.
- then there's D Harkness's observations in various stores where he watched a bunch of movies, including a few scenes he posted about in Alien like the black sign above a black door -- where with as much fiddling as he could do by eye alone he couldn't get a satisfactory result with the FHD1 (satisfactory including all other colours and brightness) but was satisfied with a Panasonic he was fiddling with.

I've watched a couple of dark DVD's, and posted some screen shots of my favourite black level test scene from Henry V. Watching DVD 2010, I found several images darker than they should be, no matter what FHD1 settings I used within reason, in a no-light-on room -- but this isn't what anyone would call a great transfer. I watched U-571 HD-DVD, which one would think would be a low-light-level film, but there wasn't a single scene that seemed too dark to me with d-nice's 'day' settings for the Toshiba-HDAX1, even with a room light turned on.

Yeah but you also don't have to overpay to play either. I have a few Elite products, but some are worth extra over a non-Elite product and some are not. And sometimes you are only paying for a higher end "name" with perceived "higher" quality. Some of their mid priced AVR's you can buy a non-Elite AVR and it's built in the same way and with the same parts other than the front faceplate as the low cost Elite is, in fact the service manual is even the same for both.

The FHD1 is not some "face plate", it is the set on the "top of the food chain" according to a previous review. Johnla you are afraid to face reality...and that reality is "UNLESS YOU ARE 1080P YOU ARE OLD NEWS". The FHD1 with its "razor sharp" picture has ushered in a revolution in hometheater picture quality despite you not putting your money where your mouth is... if the pioneer BR Player is also on the top fthe food chain it too is worth the "bang for the bucks". I demand the best of the best...and I am willing to pay for it, now its time to put your foot down in your relaytionship(see my preivous classic post on the first impression fhd1 closed thead) and pony up the bucks...because whether its the elite or the panny...a new day has been born and we do not want you to be left in the dust...come on board, be the man, pull the trigger and join the club :D,,,,and do it right...go for the "gold standard"...the FHD1 :cool:

bladrunner7.....

Like many others here, I tend to now place all your ranting as not being very credible at all. They are almost like watching or listening to paid political ads on TV, or the radio, or reading them in a newspaper. And also much like them, they are mostly loaded with just one sided biased hype.

I had a bit of a chuckle when I thought:
a) HD-DVD on side A
b) BluRay on side B ('B' for Blue ya know)
c) DVD on side, uh, "We'll start out by offering only the high definition formats, and we'll figure out the DVD bit later."


Actually the dual format HD disc is not such a bad idea, from the studios standpoint and the consumers. As long as they don't overcharge for them, and that they also make sure that people know they will ONLY play in one of the two forms of HD players. Which really should not be a problem because neither HD format will play in a non-HD player now anyway. It certainly would probably help sell more players in both formats, if people knew they could get any new HD movie in either format on just 1 disc.

bladrunner7.....

Like many others here, I tend to now place all your ranting as not being very credible at all. They are almost like watching or listening to paid political ads on TV, or the radio, or reading them in a newspaper. And also much like them, they are mostly loaded with just one sided biased hype.Johnla,
I think we are all well aware of Bladerunner7's opinion as related to this plasma monitor...however, please refer to the first post in this thread...which sets the tone for this thread.

...because this is an OWNER’S discussion thread, there should be no expectation of “unbiased” opinions from this thread. I have observed that many of the owners of this Pioneer PRO-FHD1 Elite 50'' 1080p PureVision Plasma Monitor are overcome by their unbridled exuberance in SHOUTING to the world about their phenomenal new acquisition…and have, in fact, dubbed this display to be the “KING” of all display devices. (and you know who you are... )
That said...please try to reframe from posting flames of the "OWNER'S" opinions...at least in this thread.
Thank you.
JScottMsc

bladrunner7.....

Like many others here, I tend to now place all your ranting as not being very credible at all. They are almost like watching or listening to paid political ads on TV, or the radio, or reading them in a newspaper. And also much like them, they are mostly loaded with just one sided biased hype.

One thing for certain and that is I PUT MY MONEY WHERE MY MOUTH IS :D

One thing for certain and that is I PUT MY MONEY WHERE MY MOUTH IS :D

Yes you do. And if I may comment on an earlier post aimed at you......

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Like many others here, I tend to now place all your ranting as not being very credible at all. They are almost like watching or listening to paid political ads on TV, or the radio, or reading them in a newspaper. And also much like them, they are mostly loaded with just one sided biased hype.
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Yes, I can see why they say you rant......but I think it is better classified as exuberance....... because while you give your opinion OFTEN and LOUDLY.....the plain fact of the matter is that you are CORRECT!

My BDP-HD1 arrived yesterday, is connected to my PRO-FHD1, and I am in heaven.

Tonight I caught part of revenge of the Sith....from the Comcast HD box...and I could not believe the PQ on the FHD1.

I saw the Panasonic at Magnolia....and it is a wonderful TV.....but IMO the Pioneer's PQ was better.....and I also voted with my $$$.

Cajieboy, if you read this, I have to say that your "first Joe has to buy a computer" comment was today's funniest post!

Happy viewing everyone!!

Tonight I caught part of revenge of the Sith....from the Comcast HD box...and I could not believe the PQ on the FHD1.

Where was this on? Do you still have it recorded from Cinemax or something?

I think I've finally figured it out - bladerunner7 and Johnla are actually the same person using two different AVS member names. Did you ever notice that a thread can go on for days, then once blade posts, there comes Johnla? Probably not just a coincidence.

That said...please try to reframe from posting flames of the "OWNER'S" opinions...at least in this thread.
Thank you.
JScottMsc

That was no flame. Unless you consider the reference to the similarity of political ads a flame.

Where was this on? Do you still have it recorded from Cinemax or something?

Can't remember which channel - probably HBO - I was flipping among HBO, SHO, Cinemax and Starz.

Yes you do. And if I may comment on an earlier post aimed at you......

Beginning of earlier post -------------------
Like many others here, I tend to now place all your ranting as not being very credible at all. They are almost like watching or listening to paid political ads on TV, or the radio, or reading them in a newspaper. And also much like them, they are mostly loaded with just one sided biased hype.
End of earlier post -------------------

Yes, I can see why they say you rant......but I think it is better classified as exuberance....... because while you give your opinion OFTEN and LOUDLY.....the plain fact of the matter is that you are CORRECT!

My BDP-HD1 arrived yesterday, is connected to my PRO-FHD1, and I am in heaven.

Tonight I caught part of revenge of the Sith....from the Comcast HD box...and I could not believe the PQ on the FHD1.

I saw the Panasonic at Magnolia....and it is a wonderful TV.....but IMO the Pioneer's PQ was better.....and I also voted with my $$$.

Cajieboy, if you read this, I have to say that your "first Joe has to buy a computer" comment was today's funniest post!

Happy viewing everyone!!

The ecstatic exuberance of Bladerunner's posts is exactly my take on it too, hence my "Jesus freak" comment. It's similar to "I've seen the light". I don't take offense to this at all. A/V enthusiasts that have been searching & searching for the Holy Grail of PQ in video displays know what I mean, and once you've found it you want to shout it out to the world. People who have not been searching for this excellence, or always hedging their preferences by settling for half a slice of the PQ Pie for various reasons, usually price, are basically envious, and always trying to degrade or lessen the value of high priced superior product or the person espousing it so adamantly.

I think I've finally figured it out - bladerunner7 and Johnla are actually the same person using two different AVS member names. Did you ever notice that a thread can go on for days, then once blade posts, there comes Johnla? Probably not just a coincidence.

No way, he has been posting from 2003 and I have been reading but not posting. In the now "classic" First Impression" thead I challenged Johnla to come with me to Pioneer up in LA. I mistakely assumed Johnla meant John in LA. But I was wrong if you check those posts in the thead. He actually lives in Chicago and wanted me to pay for his "plane flight over". The history between us is as follows:
Johna first posted that he called the "digitalbits" to inquire about buying the FHD1. and later changed his story to say he called by "accident". The real story was that Johnla siginificant other nixed the deal because it was "too expensive". I told him to be the Man and take back the relationship and basically say "my way or the highway"...or the FHD1 and Me or " out the front door". He did not do it and he has regretted his choice since that day. Everytime I mention the FHD1 is the "Kin.." of all plasma monitors it brings back the painful memory of the day he "almost had the FHD1". " he could have been a contender not a pretender" He is on this thead because he in reality wants the FAD1 but he is afraid of his siginificant other. We need to engorge a fellow member that you only live once and the FHD1 is an opportunity of a "lifetime" if your treasure hometheater such as I or their fourm members do. We need to encourage him to take the step to join the "club" of us fellow fourm members that demand one thing in life...to own the "best of the best" the FHD1 :cool:

No way, he has been posting from 2003 and I have been reading but not posting. In the now "classic" First Impression" thead I challenged Johnla to come with me to Pioneer up in LA. I mistakely assumed Johnla ment John in LA. But I was wrong if you check those posts in the thead. He actually lives in Chicago and wanted me to pay for his "plane flight over". The history between us is as follows:
Johna first posted that he called the "digitalbits" to inquire about buying the FHD1. and later changed his story to say he called by "accident". The real story was that Johnla siginificant other nixed the deal because it was "too expensive". I told him to be the Man and take back the relaytionship and basically say "my way or the highway"...or the FHD1 and Me or " out the front door". He did not do it and he has regreated his choice since that day. Everytime I mention the FHD1 is the "Kin.." of all plasma monitors it brings back the painful memory of the day he "almost had the FHD1". " he could have been a contender not a pretender" He is on this thead becasue he in reality wants the FHD1 but he is afraid of his siginificant other. We need to encourge a fellow member that you only live once and the FHD1 is an opportunity of a "lifetime" if your treasure hometheater such as I or ther fourm members do. We need to encourge him to take the step to join the "club" of us fellow fourm members that demand one thing in life...to own the "best of the best" the FHD1 :cool:

I'm well aware of all of the above. My post was just an apparently weak attempt at humor while pointing out that most of Johnla's posts in FHD1 threads seem to be to respond negatively to something you've posted. :)

...you only live once...Hi Blade,
I agree. This is precisely why I purchased the PRO-FHD1. It seems to be generally true that...you can get to ~85% of the cutting edge at a reasonable price/performance ratio. However, there is a steep price curve for the early adopters and enthusiast who want to get to 95% and beyond. The curve can become an asymptote as you approach 100%.

Ok Bladerunner, but let's not throw gasoline on the fire, and get back to what's really important...which is FHD1 owner's reviews, opinions and experiences w/this display and related products.

Ok Bladerunner, but let's not throw gasoline on the fire, and get back to what's really important...which is FHD1 owner's reviews, opinions and experiences w/this display and related products.I agree. Having a vocal exuberance for this display is wonderful. :cool:

To hear it over and over from the same guy can be a turn off for future buyers and more important, might stifle current owners from contributing valued opinions.

In the previous (closed) thread, I understood the motivation for Blade's repetitive accolades-- because he had to constantly respond to critics or non-believers.
I don’t think that anyone is criticizing this display anymore.

I look forward to hearing all of the owners’ impressions.

I told him to be the Man and take back the relaytionship and basically say "my way or the highway"...or the FHD1 and Me or " out the front door". He did not do it and he has regreated his choice since that day. Everytime I mention the FHD1 is the "Kin.." of all plasma monitors it brings back the painful memory of the day he "almost had the FHD1". " he could have been a contender not a pretender" He is on this thead becasue he in reality wants the FHD1 but he is afraid of his siginificant other. We need to encourge a fellow member that you only live once and the FHD1 is an opportunity of a "lifetime" if your treasure hometheater such as I or ther fourm members do. We need to encourge him to take the step to join the "club" of us fellow fourm members that demand one thing in life...to own the "best of the best" the FHD1

Looks like SOMEONE needs an intercession or an AV Psychiatrist

No way, he has been posting from 2003 and I have been reading but not posting. In the now "classic" First Impression" thead I challenged Johnla to come with me to Pioneer up in LA. I mistakely assumed Johnla ment John in LA. But I was wrong if you check those posts in the thead. He actually lives in Chicago and wanted me to pay for his "plane flight over". The history between us is as follows:
Johna first posted that he called the "digitalbits" to inquire about buying the FHD1. and later changed his story to say he called by "accident". The real story was that Johnla siginificant other nixed the deal because it was "too expensive". I told him to be the Man and take back the relaytionship and basically say "my way or the highway"...or the FHD1 and Me or " out the front door". He did not do it and he has regreated his choice since that day. Everytime I mention the FHD1 is the "Kin.." of all plasma monitors it brings back the painful memory of the day he "almost had the FHD1". " he could have been a contender not a pretender" He is on this thead becasue he in reality wants the FHD1 but he is afraid of his siginificant other. We need to encourge a fellow member that you only live once and the FHD1 is an opportunity of a "lifetime" if your treasure hometheater such as I or ther fourm members do. We need to encourge him to take the step to join the "club" of us fellow fourm members that demand one thing in life...to own the "best of the best" the FHD1 :cool:

If Johna's SO nixed the idea, I think he has a smart SO. Yes, you only live once. There are a lot of things you can do with $6.5K to enjoy life, and buying a TV is not neccessarily living life to the fullest.

For $6.5K, you can buy three panny 50 inchers, and enjoy a picture quality that is not too shabby, even compared to the FHD-1.

If you are a FHD-1 owner, enjoy it. But if someone else chooses to buy another tv, it is not as if he or she is not living life to the fullest !

If Johna's SO nixed the idea, I think he has a smart SO. Yes, you only live once. There are a lot of things you can do with $6.5K to enjoy life, and buying a TV is not neccessarily living life to the fullest.

For $6.5K, you can buy three panny 50 inchers, and enjoy a picture quality that is not too shabby, even compared to the FHD-1.

If you are a FHD-1 owner, enjoy it. But if someone else chooses to buy another tv, it is not as if he or she is not living life to the fullest !I don't understand; aren't you an owner? :confused:

To put it in simple terms, this is the appropriate place to gush about televisions. It’s not a think tank for solving the mysteries of life.
And your analogy regarding buying three Pannys instead of this one pio…
what does that have to do with this owner’s thread?

Why rain on their (your???) parade. Go buy three Pannys and while you’re at it, buy three Camerys too, instead of one Lexus. :rolleyes:
It’s not about a SO allowing or whatever.
This is a tech forum for tech talk.

If Johna's SO nixed the idea, I think he has a smart SO. Yes, you only live once. There are a lot of things you can do with $6.5K to enjoy life, and buying a TV is not neccessarily living life to the fullest.

For $6.5K, you can buy three panny 50 inchers, and enjoy a picture quality that is not too shabby, even compared to the FHD-1.

If you are a FHD-1 owner, enjoy it. But if someone else chooses to buy another tv, it is not as if he or she is not living life to the fullest !

Quanity(3 pannys) does not equal 'QUALITY", THIS MONITOR IS THE NEXT GENERATION, We the owners are living on edge and you cannot get 3 panny 1080p for the price of an fhd1. 6k for the best monitor out there bar none is a "fair" price for quality. I can go to wallmart and get 10 crappy lcds for the price of one FHD1..so what?...you only have one set of eyes and put them on the BEST and FORGET THE REST.

ckelley33, thanks a lot for looking that up

Johna first posted that he called the "digitalbits" to inquire about buying the FHD1. and later changed his story to say he called by "accident". The real story was that Johnla siginificant other nixed the deal because it was "too expensive".

but he is afraid of his siginificant other.

OK FIRST, a disclaimer. This is NOT a flame.

But it is a response to what is nothing more than a fabricated made up lie posted here by someone else!

bladerunner....

Do you really need to make up stories now that are just plain outright lies, to try and make yourself look good?
Yes you have gone way too far this time, now you are even resorting to lying!

For one thing you are totaly wrong, I am not married. So I have NO significant other that tells me what I can buy or what I can not buy!

Yes I contacted digitalbits on another matter, and contrary to what you are trying to say, I never said it was a "accident"! I admitted I did contact them. It was to inquire about getting a Escient DVD media server if you really must know (not that it's really any of your business) and also about another Elite product, a receiver. And as for the Escient, I was told that they don't handle that brand, but that they can get another brand, the Video ReQuest. In the process I mentioned the offer they had on the FHD-1 they told me the price on that and they offered to sell me one, and I declined. But I asked if they also had a similar deal on a PRO-1540HD, and that was it.

I was just watching the "HDnet Test Patterns" in FHD1 dot-by-dot.

About 7 minutes in there's a:

1 - if you
2 - can read this
3 - the number that relates
4 - to the text line that
5 - you cannot read
6 - is a rough estimate of
7 - your display resolution.
8 - if you can read these
9 - last few lines, your display
10 - is better than mine


I can see the '2' overscan markers on all four sides.


What else can we do with these HDnet test patterns?

[QUOTE=Johnla]

bladerunner....


For one thing you are totaly wrong, I am not married. So I have NO significant other that tells me what I can buy or what I can not buy!


I never said you were married, heck if you married to it I would really feel sorry for you. If you have a siginifcant other that does not tell you what you can or what cannot not buy...when you are done with her please give me her number...she is a real keeper.

So now the mystery is solved. The "significant other" is really yourself. Two persons in one body. Part of you says get the FHD1, part of you says spend the bucks and the other part is afraid. In your previous posts you indicated the price was too high...well now the price has come down and the the FHD1 has proven to be a very reliable product with no major bug-a-boos. I suppose every member goes thru what you are going thru with EVER major purchase, especially 6K for the top of the plasma monitors. It is simple, one word which prevents you....it is "FEAR" I ask to remember a famous movie line and book line from Dune my friend Johnla....".FEAR IS THE MIND KILLER". You must get past the "fear" and let it go thru you and then you can think clearly and your decison will be very simple.the FHD1 in your home and you enjoying it EVERY night.

I just got this set yesterday and hooked it up. It is absolutely killer, even with 480i DVD material the difference is amazing. Last TV was non-progressive, old Toshiba rear projection CRT. Got a Sanus pedestal stand as well, what a great product. I'm a happy guy.

So now the mystery is solved..


There is no, and never was any "mystery".
Other than the question of why you must constantly make up posts that are often untrue, and are mostly pure fiction on your part.

I agree. Having a vocal exuberance for this display is wonderful. :cool:

To hear it over and over from the same guy can be a turn off for future buyers and more important, might stifle current owners from contributing valued opinions.

In the previous (closed) thread, I understood the motivation for Blade's repetitive accolades-- because he had to constantly respond to critics or non-believers.
I don’t think that anyone is criticizing this display anymore.

I look forward to hearing all of the owners’ impressions.

I thought I would check out this NEW thread for some refreshing NEW opinions about the set from some NEW owners, but I see that it has degraded to the same nonsense that closed the old thread.

I don't know what motivates Bladerunner to continually post the same information over and over and over and then to slam owners of other sets and invent lies in his posts, but I don't recall anyone in the previous thread saying that the FHD1 was a poor or mediocre TV. Quite the opposite. His inability to see this--That's the real mystery that remains unsolved.

(Visiting this thread is getting to be like reading the old thread--trudging through endless posts of hyperbole and bluster attributed to one forum member just to find some unbiased and constructive information.)

Even better things may come as soon as this summer, to those that decided to wait.......


http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/press/release/detail/0,,2076_310069589_396277724,00.html

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/07/pioneer-launches-new-plasma-display-tech-to-trump-lcd-and-sed/

Yup, this looks like the breakthrough we've been reading about! Only it's coming out much sooner than first thought....this summer! They have addressed the black level issue and have gotten black levels to an area never before seen in plasmas...even Panasonics (they say they can't even measure the black levels since their instruments can't detect the light...sounds like CRT blacks!). This should be one utterly killer display. I'm expecting the image to explode off the screen. I can't wait to see it. :)

...I see that it has degraded to the same nonsense that closed the old thread.It would be nice not to hear "the King" crap in this thread?I am on my best behavior :)ALL-

This thread was intended for the following:
1.) A resource for PRO-FHD1 OWNERS;
2.) An area for OWNERS to discuss the PRO-FHD1 (opinions are welcome).
3.) A resource for prospective PRO-FHD1 OWNERS for factual information and OWNERS opinions.

This thread is NOT:
A.) a "which is better" comparison thread
B.) a place for personal attacks
C.) a place to attack OWNERS opinions

Specifically-
Blade, I reference (3rd quote above) your first post in this thread.
Johnla and Blade, please refer to the above as guidelines for future posts to this thread...or feel free to start your own threads.

Thank You
________________________________________________________
Scott (jScottmsc)

Even better things may come as soon as this summer, to those that decided to wait.......


http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/press/release/detail/0,,2076_310069589_396277724,00.html

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/07/pioneer-launches-new-plasma-display-tech-to-trump-lcd-and-sed/


Thanks for the links Johnla, looks like 2007 Q4 is going to be upgrade time for me. I have been keeping an eye on the newer displays thinking about upgrading. But as i have mentioned before although they are definatly a step up from my current display they never really made me stand up and take notice. The only exception was the Pio FHD1.
The reasons for not making the jump was screen size (current screen size is 50") looking for a step up to 60-70". Although the overall picture of the FHD1 was stellar the black level had me slightly concerned. Finally was the talk about "Deep Color" supported by HDM 1.3 standard.
Lets see if any good news comes out of CES.

As I have setup my FHD1 to an XBOX-HD player I am unable to get the TV to accept a 1080p signal. Is that input unable to accept a 1080p signal.

Thank you, Scott. I second your thoughts.

By the way, it's great to read about the Pioneer news from CES, but doesn't that both deserve its own thread and belong in one?

As I have setup my FHD1 to an XBOX-HD player I am unable to get the TV to accept a 1080p signal. Is that input unable to accept a 1080p signal.Hi Bait28,
I also have the HD-DVD via XBOX360. It is my understanding that component cable/input is capable of 1080i and 720p, but not 1080p. There is no "digital" output cable for the XBOX360...so 1080p is only available via the analog VGA cable, however, I have not found an adapter that will connect this cable to the PRO-FHD1.

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/features/107poty/index2.html

Enjoy !

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/features/107poty/index2.html

Enjoy !
WOW. AV Mag picks the Pioneer Elite PRO-FHD1 as 2006 Product of the Year

The PRO-FHD1 gets the nod here...outstanding in sharpness, detail and punch, it simply looks less digital and more natural than the competition...a high performance display aimed at the discerning and dedicated enthusiast. A true high-end product that stands tall in a category dominated by commoditized filler.

To clarify, my earlier post in which I stated...There is no "digital" output...only the analog VGA cable, however, I have not found an adapter that will connect this cable to the PRO-FHD1.I was looking for an adapter with VGA male to DVI. I ordered the following adapter from Monoprice but it has the wrong type of DVI-I male end and will not connect to the FHD1 DVI input.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/search.asp?keyword=2396&x=7&y=10

http://www.digitalconnection.com/pr...bles/eehd5r.asp

The Pro-FHD1 has a G,B,R,Hd,Vd connector on the back that acts as a dual RGB,VGA/component connection. Just be sure to set the monitor to PC mode.Hi Reio-ta,
1.) I am not sure how the cable you reference above would be used to connect the XBOX360 to the FHD1.
2.) I am assuming that you would start with the XBOX360 with its VGA output cable.
Both of these cables (1 and 2 above) have a VGA male end.
I think the following pigtail cable (VGA Female to 5 BNC) could be used to connect the XBOX360 VGA cable to the FHD1. (I am going to order this to try next.)
http://www.digitalconnection.com/products/cables/vgafbncp.asp

The Xbox 360 VGA cable comes with this:
http://www.game-accessory.com/products/XB360/JT-11028.jpg
so you can connect to either a female or male end.
Sorry, I forgot, you'd need to have buy two more pin BNC pin conversions. Yours would be better.Thanks, I would not have found this pigtail cable without your post.
I just finished ordering from MonoPrice.com
1 foot pigtail cable - VGA (HD 15 F) to BNC M x 5
http://www.monoprice.com/products/search.asp?keyword=563&x=4&y=11

Hello,

Is the Picture used on the "PRO-FDH1" avaiable as a Wallpaper?

Thanks for any replies.

[...]
The reasons for not making the jump was screen size (current screen size is 50") looking for a step up to 60-70". Although the overall picture of the FHD1 was stellar the black level had me slightly concerned. Finally was the talk about "Deep Color" supported by HDM 1.3 standard.
Lets see if any good news comes out of CES.

The whole HDMI v1.3 specification also caused me to consider waiting for the next best thing but I decided to do a little research. The advantages are touted to be auto lip-sync handling, "deep" color spaces, and higher bitrate audio.

I am not concerned about audio processing since I am not relying upon my display to handle audio. Audio decoding and lip-sync will be handled by my next gen AV receiver. Heck, my AV receiver may not even need v1.3 if my source can decode the audio streams since HDMI can always handle uncompressed audio (and decoding at the source, i.e. my DVD player, may be likely; see http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9325150).

As far as the deep color space and the ability to show more color combinations I am finding that this will be a complete non-issue. The simple fact is that the overwhelming majority (if not all) of the video content that I will be showing on my display will have been encoded using the various codec profiles adopted by the broadcast and storage industries. That said, all of these codec profiles are supported by DVI & HDMI v1.0! For example the new HD video discs (BD-ROM AV and HD DVD Video) each specify codec profiles that use at most 8-bit sample depth (i.e. 24-bit color).

The only other source I can think of that might try to tax the interface would be a PC or gaming machine graphics output. The increased processing, storage, and bandwidth requirements combined with limited perceived benefit, and reduced compatibility with existing equipment should relegate deeper color space support to certain professional applications. I doubt I will be using more than a 24-bit color space any time soon even on a PC/game. I also just found this person's post which I find pretty interesting: (http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&thread.id=951849)

As a side note, the DVI & HDMI 1.0 specifications also provide support up to 1080p@60Hz which is beyond the capabilities of the aforementioned codec profiles.

In the end I am confident that the video capabilities of the HDMI interface (even DVI) on the FHD1 will more than suffice during the life of my display.

Hello,

Is the Picture used on the "PRO-FDH1" avaiable as a Wallpaper?

Thanks for any replies.Hi Karmilla,
Attached is the picture from the Pioneer press room image gallery.
Scott

I thought I would check out this NEW thread for some refreshing NEW opinions about the set from some NEW owners, but I see that it has degraded to the same nonsense that closed the old thread.

I don't know what motivates Bladerunner to continually post the same information over and over and over and then to slam owners of other sets and invent lies in his posts, but I don't recall anyone in the previous thread saying that the FHD1 was a poor or mediocre TV. Quite the opposite. His inability to see this--That's the real mystery that remains unsolved.

(Visiting this thread is getting to be like reading the old thread--trudging through endless posts of hyperbole and bluster attributed to one forum member just to find some unbiased and constructive information.)

In the last fourm thead, the now classic" fhd1 first impressions thead", me and francot went toe to toe as well as ken ross. I left them in the dust when everything was over and now they just "HAPPEN" TO BE LOOKING AT THIS THEAD. Francot and Ken Ross you had your shot at me, and you went down like a ton of bricks. The FHD1 has been awarded the "best a/v product of 2006. Guys this proved me right from day one. If you want to take me on, take on the FHD1 not me. From day one I felt it my duty and obligation to inform fourm members about this incredible product. I ment with great resitance when this product first came out, and the reviews by ISF calibrators, owners and, a/v mags and the the test of time have all sided in my favor. Francot, Ken Ross, and Johnla all owe me apploigys and while all you do is complain about my ranting..it in reality it was all TRUE.....just the facts baby...just the facts

...If you want to take me on...all owe me apploigys...all you do is complain about my ranting...Blade,
Please refer to the earlier guidelines...personal attacks and attempts to provoke others is not welcome in this thread. If you and others would like to attack each other...please start your own thread with an appropriate title such as:
"The OFFICIAL PRO-FHD1 is the "KING" :D THREAD and I dare all comers to prove me wrong."
Seriously, your posts are welcome here as long as they follow the intended theme.

_______________________________________________
Scott

Blade,
Please refer to the earlier guidelines...personal attacks and attempts to provoke others is not welcome in this thread. If you and others would like to attack each other...please start your own thread with an appropriate title such as:
"The OFFICIAL PRO-FHD1 is the "KING" :D THREAD and I dare all comers to prove me wrong."
Seriously, your posts are welcome here as long as they follow the intended theme.

_______________________________________________
Scott

Congrats on your promotion to moderator

You don't have to be a moderator to ask for civility or some sort of adherence to Forum rules. Nor do you have to run to the moderators every time your nose gets nicked in a A/V debate. Just for the record though, Bladerunner posted fact but even then it's unhelpful to keep fueling a fire. Blade, just hope you guys forgetaboutit, and I for one would like to read more about the PQ on your FHD1 when watching all those new HD movies.

Francot, Ken Ross, and Johnla all owe me apploigys and while all you do is complain about my ranting..it in reality it was all TRUE.....just the facts baby...just the facts

Again, no-one on that old thread even remotely said that the FHD1 wasn't a wonderful display in the 50" category. But many forum members (myself included) were looking for a larger plasma display...just the facts, baby.

(And several contend (myself included) that the new 65" plasma Pannys equal or surpass the FHD1 in picture quality. Now, the new Pioneers coming out this summer...well, that's another story as to which set will have the best picture quality.)

Hey, did you catch this posting on another thread today?
I guess Pio’s new slogan is....
Buy a “King” and we’ll throw in a “Prince”. :D

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/top/cat/article/0,,2076_3450_396920404,00.html

Hey, did you catch this posting on another thread today?
I guess Pio’s new slogan is....
Buy a “King” and we’ll throw in a “Prince”. :D

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/top/cat/article/0,,2076_3450_396920404,00.html
I copied and pasted just in case the link went dead.

Consumer Plasma Panel Promotion
This is a limited time promotion starting January 8, 2007 until supplies last
or March 31, 2007, whichever occurs first.

Pioneer Electronics (USA) Inc., in conjunction with Participating Authorized Elite Dealers, is pleased to announce a unique Consumer Plasma Panel Promotion.

For a limited time only, purchase a Pioneer® Elite® Model PRO-FHD1 from a participating authorized Elite Dealer in the 50 United States and receive a 50” High Definition Plasma from that same dealer, model Pioneer PDP-5016HD, for FREE. This is for consumer purchases only.

Both models must be delivered to Consumer by Dealer from Dealer’s inventory.

Not all Pioneer authorized Elite Dealers may be participating in this promotion. Pioneer will not be fulfilling any free PDP-5016HD units directly to the Consumer.

Pioneer Elite Dealer’s are NOT authorized to sell Elite products via Internet.

Does anyone have any experience using an external scaler with their set, i.e. a DVDO? I have digital, high def satellite and a non-HD DVD as sources. I find that a) lip sync is off at times which is really annoying and
b) I am constantly having to change the aspect ratio on the FHD to get rid of bars, and sometimes I just can't no matter what I do.

Does this make sense? Any other solutions? Thanks, Kevin

so if you bought the PRO-FHD1 before January 8th are you not (say July 06 in my case) are you not able to get a free PDP5016HD??

so if you bought the PRO-FHD1 before January 8th are you not (say July 06 in my case) are you not able to get a free PDP5016HD??It’s all marketing hype. You’re going to end up “buying” the other display anyway. I’m sure the wiggle room for any discount on the Pro will be shot with this promotion.

I just find this gimmick interesting by Pio and think it’s going to back fire on them. Who’s going to say, “Wow now I’m going to pull the trigger.”
I think more people are going to say, “Hey, did I get a bad deal on my purchase?” When in actuality, they didn’t.


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Hi Karmilla,
Attached is the picture from the Pioneer press room image gallery.
Scott

Hi,

I already saw that picture, but i was actually refering to the picture used on the plasma.

so if you bought the PRO-FHD1 before January 8th are you not (say July 06 in my case) are you not able to get a free PDP5016HD??

It's a limited promotion that just started on Jan 8 2007. So no, you do not now get a free PDP5016HD for FHD1 purchase that was made 6 months before the date the promotion even started.

If anybody was on the fence on this purchase, Pioneer just made you an offer you CANNNOT REFUSE GO FOR IT.

I'm not on the fence or refusing. But with no local Tweeters in the state, there isn't a participating Elite dealer for the PDP5016HD.

Pioneer just made it a dealbreaker for the FHD1 with me because in no way would I now justify $7500 for it at the retailer, unless there is some other offer or discount.

Ready to pull the trigger on this beauty, now in holding pattern.

If you can accomodate a 60" panel, I would sure as heck wait for the new Pioneer 60" 1080p. The thing has killer blacks like no other plasma in history and is apparently setting new standards for plasma picture quality. With a super high contrast ratio, the picture will probably jump off the screen!

I'm not on the fence or refusing. But with no local Tweeters in the state, there isn't a participating Elite dealer for the PDP5016HD.

Pioneer just made it a dealbreaker for the FHD1 with me because in no way would I now justify $7500 for it at the retailer, unless there is some other offer or discount.

Ready to pull the trigger on this beauty, now in holding pattern.

dito, I was about to get one after holding/thinking about it for month (could not decide between 1140hd and fhd1). Now won't purchase a fhd1 unless it's under $5000.

If you can accomodate a 60" panel, I would sure as heck wait for the new Pioneer 60" 1080p. The thing has killer blacks like no other plasma in history and is apparently setting new standards for plasma picture quality. With a super high contrast ratio, the picture will probably jump off the screen!

Waiting for the rainbow to come or the pot of gold are maybes. Go for reality and go for the "deal of the century" the FHD1 and a second 50 plasma for free, Ken that adds up to 100 inchs vs your 60. Waiting is for for "squids"

Well, i have a pio 4270 which supposedly plays 1080p through hdmi. I have no idea if its just as good as the newer elites or xbr2's or anything like that as the native resolution is 720p. I did go into Bestbuy and saw an elite top of the line in 1080p and it was stunning. Now i know the tv's arent the same, but can my set play "true" 1080p like these other 1080p sets or is it gonna be not as good?

Im about to pull the trigger on a ps3 and just wanna know the above and if i'll be able to tell a noticeable difference between blu-ray and upconvert 1080i on my plasma set.

Thanks.

Waiting for the rainbow to come or the pot of gold are maybes. Go for reality and go for the "deal of the century" the FHD1 and a second 50 plasma for free, Ken that adds up to 100 inchs vs your 60. Waiting is for for "squids"

Bladerunner, sometimes I read your posts and I just have to scratch my head. There is no 'maybe' to this new Pioneer. It is almost here! I suggest you begin to read what's coming out of CES. To wait only for THIS summer for a 10" larger display with CRT-like blacks and a contrast ratio never before seen in plasmas, is not too too bad. You are doing any potential buyer a disservice by not mentioning the soon-to-be Pioneer 60". It will set a new standard for plasmas. All that have seen it seem to agree. Those that have seen it say it is absolutely the equal of SEDs....and those were supposed to be the best displays by far. The difference is SED may never make it and the Pioneer will be here in a matter of months!

I myself will probably not buy the new 65" Fujitsu 1080p until I see the new 60" Pioneer. The bottom line is simple, if you want something larger than a 50" plasma, you should wait and see this upcoming Pioneer, it looks like it will beat all prior plasmas by quite a bit. :)

Bladerunner, sometimes I read your posts and I just have to scratch my head. There is no 'maybe' to this new Pioneer. It is almost here! I suggest you begin to read what's coming out of CES. To wait only for THIS summer for a 10" larger display with CRT-like blacks and a contrast ratio never before seen in plasmas, is not too too bad. You are doing any potential buyer a disservice by not mentioning the soon-to-be Pioneer 60". It will set a new standard for plasmas. All that have seen it seem to agree. Those that have seen it say it is absolutely the equal of SEDs....and those were supposed to be the best displays by far. The difference is SED may never make it and the Pioneer will be here in a matter of months!

I myself will probably not buy the new 65" Fujitsu 1080p until I see the new 60" Pioneer. The bottom line is simple, if you want something larger than a 50" plasma, you should wait and see this upcoming Pioneer, it looks like it will beat all prior plasmas by quite a bit. :)

Ken, with all due respect, I would like to make a couple of points:

1) This is a PRO-FHD1 Owners Thread, not a "Is the PRO-FHD1 the set to get?" thread. Doesn't the new announcement warrant its own thread?

2) Although I have trust in Pioneer to deliver what they are claiming in their latest press release, perhaps it might be prudent to wait to see just how much difference the newly announced technology makes for real-world viewing, and when it is actually available. I certainly hope the new sets arrive quickly and are all Pioneer claims, but as you point out, we are still waiting for SED from its backers, aren't we? :)

Bladerunner, sometimes I read your posts and I just have to scratch my head. There is no 'maybe' to this new Pioneer. It is almost here! I suggest you begin to read what's coming out of CES. To wait only for THIS summer for a 10" larger display with CRT-like blacks and a contrast ratio never before seen in plasmas, is not too too bad. You are doing any potential buyer a disservice by not mentioning the soon-to-be Pioneer 60". It will set a new standard for plasmas. All that have seen it seem to agree. Those that have seen it say it is absolutely the equal of SEDs....and those were supposed to be the best displays by far. The difference is SED may never make it and the Pioneer will be here in a matter of months!

I myself will probably not buy the new 65" Fujitsu 1080p until I see the new 60" Pioneer. The bottom line is simple, if you want something larger than a 50" plasma, you should wait and see this upcoming Pioneer, it looks like it will beat all prior plasmas by quite a bit. :)

Ken you simply dont get the point. There will always be "something" better down the road...But I and I hope other fourm members will not wait 6 months for specilation. Right now, the best A/V "deal of the century" exists, you get the "top of the food chain" best Plasma out there bar none and A SECOND PLASMA FOR FREE. Dude it does not get any better than this...PERIOD. Ken we are not dealing with future PRETENDERS WE ARE DEALING WITH ACTUAL CONTENDERS, WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES NOW NOT AT SOME FUTURE DATE....START LIVING AND STOP DREAMING. :D

I got a Pioneer BDP-HD1 Blu-Ray player today.
It's direct connected to a Pioneer FHD1 with a 15' 24guage Monoprice HDMI-to-HDMI cable.
The Pioneer FHD1 reports "1080p dot-by-dot".
First thing I put in was House Of Flying Dragons (blu-ray) the 'drum' scene -- but horrid gainy yuch.
Second thing I put in was Black Hawk Down (blu-ray) -- more grainy yuch in backgrounds especially sky, faces weren't too bad though.
At this point I was considering taking the player back.
Third thing I put in was The Covenant (blu-ray) -- still some grainyness, but most of the picture is so dark or has so much going on in the picture (trees) that it's hard to notice. My vote, this one is ok.
Fourth thing I put in was Stealth (blu-ray) -- Magnificent ! This is what I bought the Pioneer BDP-HD1 to see. Excellent picture quality. Why aren't they all like this?

I got a Pioneer BDP-HD1 Blu-Ray player today.
It's direct connected to a Pioneer FHD1 with a 15' 24guage Monoprice HDMI-to-HDMI cable.
The Pioneer FHD1 reports "1080p dot-by-dot".
First thing I put in was House Of Flying Dragons (blu-ray) the 'drum' scene -- but horrid gainy yuch.
Second thing I put in was Black Hawk Down (blu-ray) -- more grainy yuch in backgrounds especially sky, faces weren't too bad though.
At this point I was considering taking the player back.
Third thing I put in was The Covenant (blu-ray) -- still some grainyness, but most of the picture is so dark or has so much going on in the picture (trees) that it's hard to notice. My vote, this one is ok.
Fourth thing I put in was Stealth (blu-ray) -- Magnificent ! This is what I bought the Pioneer BDP-HD1 to see. Excellent picture quality. Why aren't they all like this?
Early blue dics vary in quality becasue of mpg2 and other factors..go with Kingdom of Heaven BR and you will not be sorry, I am getting mine on thursday and will post a review on friday with the FHD1

1) This is a PRO-FHD1 Owners Thread, not a "Is the PRO-FHD1 the set to get?" thread. Doesn't the new announcement warrant its own thread?:)
I agree...maybe a new thread to debate "Get a Panny 65" today or wait for Pio 60" tomorrow".

2) I certainly hope the new sets arrive quickly and are all Pioneer claims:)
Me too. I would love to see a new plasma set that blows away the PRO-FHD1 (no matter who makes it). What an awsome display that would be. Even so, I for one, do not regret my purchase of the FHD1...it is a fantastic set and I am loving every minute of it.

Does anyone have any experience using an external scaler with their set, i.e. a DVDO? I have digital, high def satellite and a non-HD DVD as sources. I find that a) lip sync is off at times which is really annoying and
b) I am constantly having to change the aspect ratio on the FHD to get rid of bars, and sometimes I just can't no matter what I do.

Does this make sense? Any other solutions? Thanks, KevinHi Kevin (kberman),
I have cable (not satellite) however, I had the same issues when I first got this set. I had the cable box set to output 1080i. However, for any incoming signal that is not 1080i...the cheapo cable box is doing all the scaling. I discovered (by searching the forum) that if the cable box is set to output all the selectable formats (480i, 480p, 720p and 1080i) then the incoming signal is passed (unmolested) to the PRO-FHD1 (which is a much more capable scaler). This resolved my lip sync issue and resulted in a better picture for SD material. (Again, I have no experience with HD satellite...so I will be interested to hear your feed back...if this helps or not.)

That said...I still get black bars
1.) top and bottom when format is 2:35 to 1 (film format)
2.) left and right side bars when an HD channel is broadcasting SD content.
...in fact, I assume that the black bars are being broadcast as part of the content...in these 2 cases.
Scott

I've re-run the hdmi cables.
I've got the Toshiba HD-XA1 and Pioneer BDP-HD1 blu-ray player, both feeding 2m hdmi cables into a Monoprice 5:1 hdmi switch (revision 2.0), which in turn goes through a 15' 24guage monoprice hdmi-to-hdmi cable to the FHD1 Input 2.
I didn't notice any obvious degridation in signal quality with Stealth (blu-ray) vs the direct cable I mentioned above.

Thanks a lot Scott. From what I understand, the high def satellite box does some of the scaling, I will see whether I can pass that onto the FHD-1, and will let you know whether the lip sync problem goes away. Appreciate your time, Kevin

BTW, Best Buy story (humorous, or sad, depending on your point of view):

I thought I had all the cables I needed for the Pioneer BDP-HD1, but it turned out I was missing an hdmi cable (needed 3, had 2) and my spare optical toslink cable was no where to be found. Actually I had a few huge hdmi cables, but there's not a lot of space behind my rack so I wanted something short and thin.

So I went to Best Buy. After running around I found 8 different racks with cables in them. Lots of Monster cables. Eventually I asked "I need a 2' hdmi cable and a 2' toslink optical cable -- cheap not monster". I showed them the empty racks of the parts I wanted and asked if they had more stock, and I told him the equipment I was using. It didn't bother me that he thought that the FHD1 was a receiver/amplifier because he doesn't sell those, and I didn't bother to correct him. I'd said I wanted to push 1080p/24 and that's all he needed to know IMO. But then came the lecture from the Best Buy employee.

This 3' $79 hdmi cable has a circuit in it that downconverts 1080p signals to 480i to ensure that a signal gets through. That's the cheapest thing I've ever seen. I can't believe we still carry it. This 3' $199 hdmi cable is better, but it's got cheaper insulation on it that has tremendous signal degridation so it won't hook up anything at better than 720p. This 6' $299 hdmi cable is probably what you want, because we've used it to connect 1080i/60, but that's as high as it's rated for. I doubt it would be able to handle the data in 1080p/24. For 1080p, the only hdmi cable we've got is this 6' one here at $499.

Optical cable has been standardized for years so they're not as expensive. This optical toslink cable here has 24 carat gold plated contacts, and that makes it conduct the signal better than that one over there that's just plastic.

I was speachless. He was so certain. The Best Buy trainee beside him was taking notes.
I didn't correct him; we could have been arguing for hours. I just said thank you -- although I'm sure my face reveiled my shock.


I found a no-name brand hdmi cable at Best Buy, on the floor of a rack -- it didn't even have it's own hook any more. It was upside down, pushed to the back, sort of hidden. I pulled it out and sent another salesman in search of the price, and pointed to an empty hook of $30 toslink cable. The price (barcode, to store computer, to voice) of the hdmi cable turned out to be $45, which is double what I spent on MUCH better MUCH longer cables from monoprice, but a bird in the hand is worth two weeks shipping, so I bought it. I was informed that they no longer sold any under $100 toslink cables (i.e. no stock in the shelves, no stock in the back, no orders on file to replace it). I wasn't going to buy a 3' $199 optical cable.

Then I thought of the only thing the trainer salesman said that I agreed with, that the toslink has been "standardized for years".
So I went to Canadian Tire. In addition to automobile tires they sell hdmi cables and toslink cables. They had one there for $19. And a fancy smancy one for $21. I splurged and got the fancy one.

The cheap hdmi, and cheap toslink both worked fine.

2) Although I have trust in Pioneer to deliver what they are claiming in their latest press release, perhaps it might be prudent to wait to see just how much difference the newly announced technology makes for real-world viewing, and when it is actually available. I certainly hope the new sets arrive quickly and are all Pioneer claims, but as you point out, we are still waiting for SED from its backers, aren't we? :)

There are many eyewitness reports coming out of CES and they all seem to say this panel blows away anything that came before.

Ken you simply dont get the point. There will always be "something" better down the road...But I and I hope other fourm members will not wait 6 months for specilation. Right now, the best A/V "deal of the century" exists, you get the "top of the food chain" best Plasma out there bar none and A SECOND PLASMA FOR FREE. Dude it does not get any better than this...PERIOD. Ken we are not dealing with future PRETENDERS WE ARE DEALING WITH ACTUAL CONTENDERS, WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES NOW NOT AT SOME FUTURE DATE....START LIVING AND STOP DREAMING. :D

Bladerunner, to say the upcoming Pioneer is 'speculation' and to say that it is a 'pretender' is as much denial as I think I've ever read on AVS. Stick your head in the sand, but you are in total, absolute denial. I am still loving my Fujitsu and would never replace it with another 50" plasma that I didn't think was as good. What sense would that make? To make you happy? My next display will be more home-theater size, preferably 65", but the new Pioneer may well suck me in at 60" with CRT blacks and PQ to beat all. As I've found in prior 'conversations' with you, you have blinders on and just can't accept reason.

Have at it, it's my last post to you.

Ken we all know showing something at CES and putting in your living room is a long process.
You cannot tell me what date anything will arrive because it always subject to change. In our "past conservations" I though you would have leaned by now that if you post in this thead on my turf you statements will be respectfully challenged by me if I disagree. You attack the poster, and I attack what you say or the issue and you just cant take the "heat". Tell me Ken about you next purchase...I do not think it will every happen because there is something better coming down the road....so stay in "Netural" for summer 2007, Winter 2007 or 2008 or 2009....because there is something better coming out in future :D

I don't buy stuff like it's going to be my last ever purchase. If I get the FHD1 now, I'll love it completely. And if the new Pioneer 60 inch deep black is that compelling, I'll get that too.

There have been huge improvements since my 50 inch Samsung DLP of four years ago, but I still have it. And I've looked at a lot of better monitors in the interim (including Fuji Plasmavisions) that haven't made me regret for a second the Samsung purchase. Are the Fuji's hugely improved over the Samsung? Well arguably but it hasn't compelled me to go out and buy one! The FHD1 has me thinking again. Working against it most is that the dollar value of it has diminished since Pioneer started offering it in other markets with a free 50 inch PDP5016HD which isn't available in my state.

At some point you have to stop measurebating the what-ifs and just enjoy what's showing now. I'm envious of the FHD1. But it would be foolish to buy one here in Colorado knowing the value elsewhere is so much less, they give you a buy one get one free.

Bladerunner, to say the upcoming Pioneer is 'speculation' and to say that it is a 'pretender' is as much denial as I think I've ever read on AVS. Stick your head in the sand, but you are in total, absolute denial. I am still loving my Fujitsu and would never replace it with another 50" plasma that I didn't think was as good. What sense would that make? To make you happy? My next display will be more home-theater size, preferably 65", but the new Pioneer may well suck me in at 60" with CRT blacks and PQ to beat all. As I've found in prior 'conversations' with you, you have blinders on and just can't accept reason.

Have at it, it's my last post to you.

I agree with your equipment thoughts. The Pio 60" you reference will likely be my next purchase.

Ken we all know showing something at CES and putting in your living room is a long process.
You cannot tell me what date anything will arrive because it always subject to change. In our "past conservations" I though you would have leaned by now that if you post in this thead on my turf you statements will be respectfully challenged by me if I disagree. You attack the poster, and I attack what you say or the issue and you just cant take the "heat". Tell me Ken about you next purchase...I do not think it will every happen because there is something better coming down the road....so stay in "Netural" for summer 2007, Winter 2007 or 2008 or 2009....because there is something better coming out in future

Please post anything to validate that Pioneer missed a plasma availablity date. Your "King's" reign will come to an end no later than 9/22/07. I will be so happy when that date comes so you can bet taken out back like "Old Yeller".

The FHD1 has me thinking again. Working against it most is that the dollar value of it has diminished since Pioneer started offering it in other markets with a free 50 inch PDP5016HD which isn't available in my state.

At some point you have to stop measurebating the what-ifs and just enjoy what's showing now. I'm envious of the FHD1. But it would be foolish to buy one here in Colorado knowing the value elsewhere is so much less, they give you a buy one get one free.The Pro lists for 8 grand. I think it’s a safe to say that the locations that are offering the free one (street value $2500) are not going to discount the Pro by much.

Therefore, since you can street price the Pro for around 6 grand and falling, you are basically right there.

Therefore, since you can street price the Pro for around 6 grand and falling, you are basically right there.

You can't get a street price of $6k on any street near me. Internet price yes, but retail, no.

You can't get a street price of $6k on any street near me. Internet price yes, but retail, no.Maybe when some of that snow melts a bit, the streets will be kinder. :cool:

Excuse me, but is there something about the Pioneer Elite PRO-FHD1 that brings out the worst in people? Why is it that every thread about the FHD1 degenerates into a bladerunner7 against the world thread? For those who don't like blade and/or his posts, either use the "Ignore" function or just don't respond to him and encourage more posts. If you don't own the FHD1, why are you posting in an owners' thread? If it's to warn unsuspecting would-be buyers that something else is coming soon, then why not start a new thread to that effect? I thought owners' threads were to allow owners to look for solutions to problems, compare settings, and generally get more out of their purchases. No matter what anyone else posts, I can't go back and undo my purchase (not that I want to).

So please, can we just try to get along here? Everyone posting has something to offer. I just don't want this thread and any further FHD1 threads closed because one owner is "over the top" and a few others feel compelled to rein him in.

Sorry for the rant. Thanks for reading.

John

Please post anything to validate that Pioneer missed a plasma availablity date. Your "King's" reign will come to an end no later than 9/22/07. I will be so happy when that date comes so you can bet taken out back like "Old Yeller".
well at least you acknowledge who is the "King" now. There are going to be a lot of products similar and promises of better picture quality than the FHD1, this is a big shift in PQ with 1080p. The future looks bright and hopefully everybody will have at some point what the members of the club have now :D But 9 months and 22 days is waaaaaaay to long to wait for the "revolution". As i recall the FHD1 was delayed by a couple of months as well as the pioneer BR player which were supped to be here in JUNE

well at least you acknowledge who is the "King" now. There are going to be a lot of products similar and promises of better picture quality than the FHD1, this is a big shift in PQ with 1080p. The future looks bright and hpefully everybody will have at some point what the members of the club have now :D

The Pioneer Pro-FHD1 at the store looked sharp as hell. And it wasn't an artifical looking sharp. Very impressive set.

I finally saw it, set up professionally and it was mind blowing. If it isn't the "best" display, it sure is in that upper echelon of displays.

Mind you, I wasn't watching in the complete dark.

Excuse me, but is there something about the Pioneer Elite PRO-FHD1 that brings out the worst in people?

John

John this is a "cutting edge product". If you go back to the begining of the First Impression thead of the FHD1 people took it personel that they had been left in the "dark" by 1080p. I mean you have to expect all of the fourm members who are stuck with plamas that they spend "thousands of dollars" on and they cannot play the new HI-DEF format to the max. John, people are afraid of CHANGE. There were afraid from going to VHS to laser, and then VHS to DVD, and now DVD to Hi-def DVD. They want to stick there head in the sand and ingnore reality.
Early on in the First impression thead everybody said that 1080p was no big deal and the debate was why get it, after two months and every manf announcing 1080p sets that went out the door, then they attacked the FHD1 purchase on the gounds of no software, that went out the door with 0ver 400 hd/br releases by the end of the year, then they said something is better, the 65 panny was not, and they say look to the future. The fact is 1080p is here to stay, Hi-def is here to stay, hi-def dvd is here to stay and the BEST way to enjoy this
hidef hometheater revolution is with the Pioneer FHD1.

well at least you acknowledge who is the "King" now. No I didn't. It's your King. I just hope you do not attempt to take it further and start offering it "sacrificial virgins".
There are going to be a lot of products similar and promises of better picture quality than the FHD1, this is a big shift in PQ with 1080p. The future looks bright and hopefully everybody will have at some point what the members of the club have now But 9 months and 22 days is waaaaaaay to long to wait for the "revolution". Huh?
As I recall the FHD1 was delayed by a couple of months as well as the pioneer BR player which were supped to be here in JUNE The FHD-1 was slated to be released in June '06. When was it actually shipped to stores? The delay of the BD player was an agreement made with the BDA.....nothing more.

No I didn't. It's your King.
Huh?
The FHD-1 was slated to be released in June '06. When was it actually shipped to stores? The delay of the BD player was an agreement made with the BDA.....nothing more.
July and it was late. Also the Pioneer BR player was on the back cover of the SUMMER "Tweeter" caialog and was postponed a half a dozen times.

I said shipped to stores. NOT when stores received them and made it available for sale. Again, you can take up the BD player release issue with the BDA.

Tweeter in San Diego was the first to get it as they are pioner elite's biggest customer and as I recall they got them in JULY and demo them right away as the pioneer elite player(BR) was supposed to be in along with the FHD1.

Excuse me, but is there something about the Pioneer Elite PRO-FHD1 that brings out the worst in people? Why is it that every thread about the FHD1 degenerates into a bladerunner7 against the world thread? :rolleyes: Good to see you succeeded in wrangling back control of this thread-- again.

I said shipped to stores. NOT when stores received them and made it available for sale. Again, you can take up the BD player release issue with the BDA.
The first person to see and review the fhd1 was on the first impression thead and that started on 8-4-06

:rolleyes: Good to see you succeeded in wrangling back control of this thread-- again.

I must be really persuasive or else on a few ignore lists myself. :)

Oh, well. It's nice to feel like I'm back in high school. :)

I must be really persuasive or else on a few ignore lists myself. :)

Oh, well. It's nice to feel like I'm back in high school. :)LOL, :D
It is a shame because I know there are so many of us that keep coming back to this thread looking forward to reading the owners thoughts on their new toy, as in any other owner threads. Instead we get the daily food fight. :eek: :D

Is there a chart of what the various gamma settings do on the FHD1 ?

(I'm wondering if changing them will help black levels)

There are many eyewitness reports coming out of CES and they all seem to say this panel blows away anything that came before.
Hi Ken,
Can you post the reports? or links?
This blurb from PM makes it sound like Pio was not actually displaying the new panel.


January 7, 2007

Pioneer Rethinks Plasma TVs, Comes Up with... Plasma TVs

LAS VEGAS — Not every press conference is front-page news. Some are actually kind of embarrassing. With around two conferences happening every hour during the press day at CES, every presenting company needs bring its best game. For Pioneer, that amounted to a lengthy assurance that its new plasma HDTVs are truly excellent. You see, thanks to “years of R&D” these TVs will have deeper blacks, richer colors, and a whole lot of image clarity. It’s not that Pioneer’s new plasma HDTVs look bad, but when none of the models are on display, no prices are offered, the best you can do is have a Vice President announce that “this new technology is amazing,” it kind of makes you wonder whether press conferences are relevant at all any more.

Excuse me, I realize I am a bit of a newbie here. I have asked a couple of questions and people have been very generous with their help. This is why owner's threads are so valuable, collective experience. I share the frustration expressed about the nature of many of the posts here, can I make a suggestion?To the individual that clogs this discussion, can I suggest you start your own thread. You can call it something appropriate, like "moron with no life making an idiot of myself", or some other title of your choosing. Battle it out in private, please. Let people who are trying to get help with their TV ask relevant questions.

Hi Ken,
Can you post the reports? or links?
This blurb from PM makes it sound like Pio was not actually displaying the new panel.

How about that....found one myself.

CES 2007: Impressions of Pioneer's "SED Killing" Plasma

Dramatic breakthrough in Plasma-tech, observed.

by Gerry Block
January 9, 2007 - Pioneer has held a position as one of the preeminent forces is Plasma HDTVs for a number of years. Plasma, as a general technology, is known for the accuracy with which the technology is able to handle contrast, across the board superior in contrast-ratio (the difference between the brightest colors and pure black) among the various HDTV technologies. In 2006 SED prototypes blew us away with contrast-ratios up to 100,000:1, massively superior to the general 3,000:1 contrast-ratio common among LCDs and other HDTV-techs. SED technology has been subject to many delays, however, and is currently slated for release sometime in 2008. Pioneer has taken advantage of the situation, and at this CES is demonstrating, in closed-door sessions, next-gen Plasma displays capable of even more dramatic performance figures.

IGN Gear attended a demonstration of Pioneer's upcoming Plasma displays and walked away as impressed as we get. Pioneer won't provide contrast-ratio figures on its next-gen Plasma technology, citing the figure as un-measurable. We'll assume that means more than 100,000:1, but we'll have to wait for specifics when they are eventually made available by third-party testing. Regardless, we left the Pioneer demonstration just as excited as when we walked out of Toshiba's SED demonstration exactly one year ago.

The demo session took place in a closed room wherein Pioneer's currently available 60-inch Plasma display was compared to their newest tech, which, we were told, is an entirely new engineering effort rather than any image-processing upgrade to existing technology. In comparison to what is generally though of as best-of-breed image quality, Pioneer's new plasma display was astounding. The demo began with both screens in idle-black. That is, the new plasma display looked black; Pioneer's current plasma looked shockingly gray and over-lit. Over the course of a variety of sources including an in-house demo reel and clips of Haunted Mansion, the new Pioneer model put the previous version to absolute shame.

We haven't seen better black-level performance since we were treated to Toshiba's SED demo a year ago. Though a head-to-head comparison is impossible, Pioneer's new display tech appeared easily surpassed everything we've seen in the recent HDTV space. Not only are the blacks at CRT-quality, but color contrast, even in red, is remarkably vibrant and highly differentiated in shade.

Even more impressive than the picture-quality of Pioneer's new Plasma design is the fact that the displays will reach the market place in a matter of months. Pioneer will roll out the new units this summer, beating SED displays to market by a solid year. Pioneer representatives expressed some concerns regarding the expense of the technology, which we fully expect to first appear at a high premium. Nevertheless, whatever magic Pioneer has developed for the displays we witnessed will be sure to trickle down to later models in future months and years.

How about that....found one myself.

More....

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-12760_7-9673799-5.html?tag=blog

http://techdigest.tv/2007/01/ces_2007_pionee_3.html#more

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=782695

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=782840

I'm watching Kingdom Of Heaven BluRay at 1080p/24 dot-by-dot.
I set FHD1 to Standard (factory defaults), but changed Gamma from 2 to 3. That seemed to help the crushed blacks a bit -- but I think it's made the image a bit blue.

BTW, the arrows going past at 25 minutes in were neat.

I also changed
Dynamic Contrast: High
Black Level: On
ACL: On
Gamma: 3
and I've been happy with the image since I did that about an hour into the movie. I'll have to return to the first hour to see if it helps with the other bits I thought were still a tad crushed. EDIT: I returned to the first hour, and it is indeed more watchable from a black crush point of view, fairly pleasant actually -- but things that should be white, like snow, are a little blue.

Another review of the FHD1

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_14_1/pioneer-pro-fhd1-plasma-tv-1-2007.html

He noticed the non-linear stretching that I've noticed too. CNN's horizontally scrolling letters change size as they move across. And pans of things of known size (e.g. an old sailing ship with rigging) change size as they move from the edges to the center.

Batman Begins on HD DVD is simply among the best HD I've ever seen. The detail of the image is striking, three-dimensional and rock solid at every instance. But what's more impressive here is how this plasma handled the many dark scenes and held that level detail. An excellent example is in chapter 24 when the Christian Bale's Batman is stealthily hiding in an apartment when the Scarecrow and few of his cronies come in. As the Dark Knight crouches down and recedes into the black background, his shape remains a visible outline, just discernible above absolute black. This is a tough scene that any set that was crushing detail near black wouldn't resolve clearly.

Although the blacks here are deeper than any flat panel I've yet tested, the image does get more charcoal gray than black in the very darkest scenes, including the scene from Batman described above. But what separates the PRO-FHD1 here is that even though the blacks don't go as inky as the CRTs of yesteryear (or today's best front and rear projectors), there is still a clear sense of contrast in even the toughest of scenes, and the other artifacts that so often accompany weak blacks in digital displays are completely absent. There was none of excessive noise, false contouring or posterization in those dark areas as there are with so many flat panels. It just fades to a charcoal, and even in the worst of scenes it's still remarkably watchable and strikingly clean and devoid of other artifacts.

from: http://ultimateavmag.com/flatpaneldisplays/1106piofhd1/index2.html

With every tv I've had before I've tried to obey the eye-strain rule to have a average background behind the television, and keep the room lights on, so that the contrast between the bright screen and the wall behind won't give eye strain headaches.

With the FHD1 I surrounded it with SandmanX's favourite black velvet at least 2' in every direction. This stuff is most black. No eye strain. I do keep a 150 watt light bulb turned on above and behind me.

Hi Ken,
Can you post the reports? or links?
This blurb from PM makes it sound like Pio was not actually displaying the new panel.

Here is one from someone who was intrested in what Panasonic had new, and what he thought after seeing the Pioneer.


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9416741&&#post9416741

"However, I have to say to be fair, the MOST impressive display at the show was the new Pioneer Technology (it doesn;t even have a name, or model assigned...they are keeping things pretty tight lipped). Same IRE 0-100 as the panny, but the absolute most stunning Black levels I've seen PERIOD!! yes, that includes CRT's. They showed a demo side by side with the current PDP-6070, and it was no comparo.....even when off, the new display's glass looked so black, as if it was colored as the frame. Very cool stuff!! and when the material came in, in 1080i on both displays, the stunning black levels and color reproduction was night and day.

Funny, because i was seating side by side with a Sony rep during the demo, and he just uttered "uh oh" when the demo started the black contrast materials."

Another review of the FHD1

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_14_1/pioneer-pro-fhd1-plasma-tv-1-2007.html

He noticed the non-linear stretching that I've noticed too. CNN's horizontally scrolling letters change size as they move across. And pans of things of known size (e.g. an old sailing ship with rigging) change size as they move from the edges to the center.
These reviews just keep getting better and better for the FHD1. I pick up my elite br player tomm will post review on Sat. :cool:

bladerunner7:

One of the reasons I bought the FHD1 was because umr said that after calibration that black levels (crushed blacks) wouldn't be a problem. I had no proof of that until yesterday when I tweaked the STANDARD setting, and although I've problably mucked up other things, black levels aren't a problem. I'm relatively happy about that. I'm planning on trying it with more difficult disks than Kingdom Of Heaven.


I thought you were getting your Pioneer Elite BluRay player last week (i.e. before me). What happened?



re http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_14_1/pioneer-pro-fhd1-plasma-tv-1-2007.html
It wasn't a totally sterling review.

As with many Pioneer displays, the blaring lack of discrete controls (aspect ratios and discrete on/off buttons) on the remote was annoying.

Sadly, the set did not do well on my SDTV tests. The picture was soft, and even from quite a distance, I could still see that the processing on the set leaves a lot to be desired. ... the scaling was simply not up to par. The de-interlacing and scaling of this display, particularly with SD content, are seriously underwhelming given the picture quality level of this set, and watching SD content with this display should either be avoided,

The display's gamma curves ranged from 2.22 (gamma 1 setting) to 2.18 and 2.04 (gamma 2 and 3 settings, respectively). I found myself in need of a slightly higher gamma setting for HD content, ... . Color temperature on this set tended to be higher than desired and leaned more towards Japanese taste (9300K) than European/American standards (6500K).

this set lacks saturated blues

Hooking up the Oppo 970 to the display at SD resolutions produced terrible results. This player simply pumps out the data to the HDMI input, but as with other SD sources, the PRO-FHD1 showed a dramatically unsharp and fuzzy image from this player

Adding the iScan VP50 between player and display changed things dramatically. SD content was far sharper and much more detailed.

I know people have complained about the Oppo's (970 971) before. D-nice hates the 971, and merely spits upon the 970. Although clearly he's tried them, to my knowledge he's never posted settings for either the 970 nor the 971. Personally I don't think the 971 looks that bad -- but I'm not an artifact junky yet.

This was the first time I've ever heard anyone say that a scaler such as the iScan (http://www.dvdo.com/pro/pro_isvp50.php) would help -- in fact on AVS the trend is to say that a scaler for the FHD1 is somewhere between a waste of money and a bad thing. There was a time I was planning rack space for an iScan, but I stopped that completely based on the AVS recommendation.

Its waiting for me to pick up but I am waiting for the salesman who sold me the unit to come in, I will need to get another opitcal cable and hdmi also and that was the 10th, the 12 was supposed to be th pick up date. The review still gives the FHD1 thumbs up.

It's a limited promotion that just started on Jan 8 2007. So no, you do not now get a free PDP5016HD for FHD1 purchase that was made 6 months before the date the promotion even started.
I got mine on the 9th from Tweeter :D does that mean I get a FREE PDP5016HD???

How about that....found one myself.

You can see the incredible rave reviews are consistent and impressive. My major problem with all of the current crop of 1080p panels is their black levels. I just don't find them dark enough to get me excited. Their non-1080p counterparts have superior blacks and I just can't settle for less than that. It seems that the new Pioneer will take care of this issue in spades! Unless this is one massive conspiracy by all CES attendees, I may have one of these beauties this summer. :)

Thanks BasementBob, and ditto. The review is lukewarm, for exactly the reason I am now...poor scaling de-interlacing flaws are exactly what I thought this set would avoid. But right there is the Secret's recommendation for a video processor. It's no issue for HD-DVD or BluRay usage, and that's exactly the content I've viewed on it.

With it's scaling and deinterlacing softnessfor SD, it now falls from my radar screen at anything more than $4850.

Next up, the Mitsubishi HC5000 1080P front projector.

I got mine on the 9th from Tweeter :D does that mean I get a FREE PDP5016HD???Hi Lee63,
I would think so...since the PDP-5016HD is a Tweeter only model. Let us know how you make out.

I got mine on the 9th from Tweeter :D does that mean I get a FREE PDP5016HD???

Why don't you ask Tweeter?

Ken Ross and Tom Roper:

re crushed blacks and SD.

umr said that the blacks were fine. My recent tweak shows hints at much better blacks than I'd seen in the previous couple of weeks with it. I've got more playing around to do with other dvd's (good ol Alien and Batman Begins and such), but it seems ok now.

D-nice said that 480i is upconverted well by the FHD1, at least from his preferred SD DVD player.

My cable outputs most things at 480i, and HD at 1080i. The 1080i is very clear. The 480i 4:3 widdened by the FHD1 to 16:9 is often soft -- but I blame the source as being even lower than 480i (compression to-from satelites).

The review I posted above was with an Oppo -- and the Oppo's don't have a 480i mode, 480p is as low as they go (at least that's the way it is with mine), and if the Oppo did its own upconversion to 1080/50i and then the FHD1 did some more to get it to 1080/72p, well yea muck could ensue.

I still hold out great hope for an ISF Calibration.

Why don't you ask Tweeter?
I will call them today ;) I have had the TV for a couple of days now and it looks great, but there is one thing that I have noticed, sometimes theres a sudden white flash on the screen, first I thought it was flash bulbs going of ( I was watching a hockey game one HDNET ) but then I noticed it on other programing also, but not as much as live events.

Any help will be much appreciated :D

re crushed blacks and SD.

umr said that the blacks were fine. My recent tweak shows hints at much better blacks than I'd seen in the previous couple of weeks with it. I've got more playing around to do with other dvd's (good ol Alien and Batman Begins and such), but it seems ok now.

D-nice said that 480i is upconverted well by the FHD1, at least from his preferred SD DVD player.

My cable outputs most things at 480i, and HD at 1080i. The 1080i is very clear. The 480i 4:3 widdened by the FHD1 to 16:9 is often soft -- but I blame the source as being even lower than 480i (compression to-from satelites).

The review I posted above was with an Oppo -- and the Oppo's don't have a 480i mode, 480p is as low as they go (at least that's the way it is with mine), and if the Oppo did its own upconversion to 1080/50i and then the FHD1 did some more to get it to 1080/72p, well yea muck could ensue.

I still hold out great hope for an ISF Calibration.


Thanks again Bob. For me the issue is not the blacks but it is the scaler/deinterlacer. That and the tweeter offer has not changed the utility of the FHD-1, but it has diminished the amount I would pay for it in lieu of waiting or looking elsewhere. Not really much else out there with appeal for me in 1080p besides the FHD-1 and the front projectors. It doesn't seem like a good time to jump on a video processor either.

So that'll be my last comment, return this thread to the owners. I really enjoy reading about the FDH-1. Enjoy yours!

Tom Roper:

Roger that. :)

Enjoy yours! Just watched The Covenant. Looked great.

picked up the pioneer BR player, nice box and like the cloth cover, well done , will install tonight and hook up to FHD1 any set up tips....

I haven't changed anything from UMR's calibration settings and left the video adjustment settings in the BDP-HD1 alone. Everything looks very good. Let us know how yours works.

bladerunner7:

When you turn it on the first time, the Pioneer BlueRay player is going to ask you about 5 questions. It's wierd, but they're trivial and take about a minute to get through them.
When it asks Output Video Format, you want Source Direct (you do NOT want 1080p nor Auto).

On the Pioneer BlueRay player, I click on Home Menu on the remote, and then Initial Setup.
VideoOut.TV Aspect Ratio: 16:9 (widescreen)
4:3 video out: Normal
HDMI Color Space: YCbCr
24pDirectOut: On
AudioOut.DolbyDigitalOut: DolbyDigital
DTSOut: DTS
DTS Downmix: Stereo
HDMI AudioOut: Auto
Speakers.AudioOut: 5.1 chanel
SpeakerSetup: Center:Yes, Ls/Rs:Yes, L/R:small (the pictures are amusing)

If you did not set SourceDirect, you can go to Options then SetupNavigator and it'll ask you the same startup questions it did before including SourceDirect.
or you can reset it via the remote's OutputFormat button

I didn't change/set anything else on the Pioneer BluRay player.

Obviously I used HDMI between the player and the FHD1.
I used optical toslink from the player to my receiver.

Your first BluRay disk should be Stealth, followed by Kindgom Of Heaven.

FHD1 - for Stealth I think I used d-nice's USER av section, of course dot-for-dot. The one with 46 contrast, and EnergySave:SAVE1.

FHD1 - for Kingdom of Heaven:
I used STANDARD (factory defaults) dot-by-dot, except
PowerControl.EnergySave: Standard
Picture.ProAdjust.DRE.DynamicContrast: High
BlackLevel:On
ACL: On
Gamma:3

blade - I used the exact same BDP-HD1 settings as Basement Bob posted, except I didn't touch the Speakers settings since I don't have the analog outs hooked up. Sorry I didn't elaborate on the player settings more.

FHD1 - for Stealth I think I used d-nice's USER av section, of course dot-for-dot. The one with 46 contrast, and EnergySave:SAVE1.

FHD1 - for Kingdom of Heaven:
I used STANDARD (factory defaults) dot-by-dot, except
PowerControl.EnergySave: Standard
Picture.ProAdjust.DRE.DynamicContrast: High
BlackLevel:On
ACL: On
Gamma:3

46 contrast? I thought D-Nice had settings for contrast at around 27 or so. I thought contrast was a setting best kept kinda low due to image retention issues? Is this, then, harmful? I'm new to plasma (from LCD) and am soaking all of this up!

As previously posted, I'm at 33 Contrast based on my calibration. Multiple variables at work here with respect to what looks good. Lower contrast generally equals lower image retention.

ckelly33:

It's the "Day Toshiba HD-XA1 User" setting by d-nice. I think it's in the PDF in the first post of thise thread.

I usually kick back to the "Night Toshiba HD-XA1 Pure" with SAVE1 or SAVE2 for most things, and I watch a lot of WIDE TV which should take care of IR.

But when I'm running the system for what it's worth: good BluRay disk, Pioneer Elite BluRay Player, Pioneer Elite FHD1 -- I want it all, everything it can give me, best picture no matter what.

I'm watching BluRay Speed (keano reeves).
Sitting 9.5' away from the screen it didn't feel imersive enough.
So I moved a cumry chair to 5.5' away from the screen (in front of the couch -- looks odd). Video is much better there since it's wider angle. An interesting side effect is that imaging is perfect ! 5'6" seems to be the sweat spot! What a coincidence. What luck!

For TV (cable) I think I'll stay 9.5' back though -- fuzzy signal requires distance.

Drat, movie's over and I forgot to make popcorn.
Hmm, Enemy Of The State with Popcorn, yum yum next.


EDIT: Enemy of the State is pretty good from a picture quality point of view.
(Popcorn was really tasty too)

bladerunner7:

When you turn it on the first time, the Pioneer BlueRay player is going to ask you about 5 questions. It's wierd, but they're trivial and take about a minute to get through them.
When it asks Output Video Format, you want Source Direct (you do NOT want 1080p nor Auto).

On the Pioneer BlueRay player, I click on Home Menu on the remote, and then Initial Setup.
VideoOut.TV Aspect Ratio: 16:9 (widescreen)
4:3 video out: Normal
HDMI Color Space: YCbCr
24pDirectOut: On
AudioOut.DolbyDigitalOut: DolbyDigital
DTSOut: DTS
DTS Downmix: Stereo
HDMI AudioOut: Auto
Speakers.AudioOut: 5.1 chanel
SpeakerSetup: Center:Yes, Ls/Rs:Yes, L/R:small (the pictures are amusing)

If you did not set SourceDirect, you can go to Options then SetupNavigator and it'll ask you the same startup questions it did before including SourceDirect.
or you can reset it via the remote's OutputFormat button

I didn't change/set anything else on the Pioneer BluRay player.

Obviously I used HDMI between the player and the FHD1.
I used optical toslink from the player to my receiver.

Your first BluRay disk should be Stealth, followed by Kindgom Of Heaven.

FHD1 - for Stealth I think I used d-nice's USER av section, of course dot-for-dot. The one with 46 contrast, and EnergySave:SAVE1.

FHD1 - for Kingdom of Heaven:
I used STANDARD (factory defaults) dot-by-dot, except
PowerControl.EnergySave: Standard
Picture.ProAdjust.DRE.DynamicContrast: High
BlackLevel:On
ACL: On
Gamma:3

BB you are the "man" thank you very much. I dont own "stealth" but I do own "kingdom of heaven. I intend to go hdmi from the player to the VSX84ti hdmi in and then hdmi out to the FHD1. My first movie will be tomm night with my 80+ year stepfather(the cranky one), two of my 3 kids (9 and 11) and just to let you kino how crazy I really am...well the oldest one name is Deckard and the youngest one is Blade....now I am someone who take movies very seriously. I use the "dot by dot" mode as you have suggested. I will set up in the early morning when everybody is asleep so I can concentrate on the set up. The tweeter guy says "The HDMI" cable to buy was the audioquest hdmi-1 cinemaquest and all I know is that is 200 bucks and he "promises me this cable will made a difference in the PQ not just his commision so I went for it like a sucker. I know tweeter has a 30 day price match and I paid 1499.00 if anybody has a lower price to match pass it my way PLEASE. The box, the unit looks first class and a worthy companion to the FHD1. Looking back one year ago, I was in the stone age with my costo 50 inch sony lcd rear projector saying wow have we come a long way.
Today, I cannot even look at the thing anymore so I am going to sell it and my
HDead-dvd player which freezes, gets audio out of sync, has the worst remote every made.
looking back over the last 3/4 months wow have things have changed- 300+ hi-def movies, 1080p plasma, and now a 1080p/24 BR player that works...the best is yet come when I pop in that disc...I will let you know my thoughts :cool:

ckelly33:

It's the "Day Toshiba HD-XA1 User" setting by d-nice. I think it's in the PDF in the first post of thise thread.

I usually kick back to the "Night Toshiba HD-XA1 Pure" with SAVE1 or SAVE2 for most things, and I watch a lot of WIDE TV which should take care of IR.

But when I'm running the system for what it's worth: good BluRay disk, Pioneer Elite BluRay Player, Pioneer Elite FHD1 -- I want it all, everything it can give me, best picture no matter what.

Do you get much IR with these settings running (especally with the widescreen black bars up on the screen)? Do you leave it runnig with all sources all of the time?

ckelly33:

Do you get much IR with these settings running (especally with the widescreen black bars up on the screen)?
None so far. Not even for the briefest moment.

I never have left/right black bars.
I do have top/bottom black bars with DVD/BluRay/HD-DVD movies, but as I said thus far I haven't seen IR/BurnIn from them.

For contrast, I only use the three settings these days:
a) d-nice night - most cable channels
b) d-nice day - HD cable channels
c) pioneer 'Standard' factory defaults - most BluRay/HD-DVDs. (Standard being one of the {pure, user, game, dynamic, standard, movie} list)

I'm a little paranoid about IR, so I tend to consciously balance my viewing. By that I mean I watch what I want, but I choose a lower contrast (of a/b/c above) and a higher SAVEn setting with what I'll call less important material such as MagnumPI. Call it 'pacing myself'.

Do you leave it runnig with all sources all of the time? I use settings depending upon what I'm watching.
Cable for example, I'm often using SAVE2, d-nice's cable-night-pure contrast 27, WIDE or ZOOM.
Since I'm using
a) Oppo to FHD input 1 (DVI, 480p)
b) BluRay/HD-DVD to FHD input 2 (HDMI, 1080p/1080i)
c) Cable to FHD input 3 (HDMI, 480iSD/1080iHD)
for the most part the FHD1 remembers the settings last used on that input but not resolution. (SAVE1/SAVE2 being an exception I think)
Being, as I said, a bit paranoid, occasionally I check.

Hmmmm....I use a Denon 3806 which switches every video source I have then outputs is via HDMI. unfortunately the convenience of everything output via one HDMI cable is limiting in respects to having individual settings per source. This is why I haven't ISF calibrated as of yet because I wonder the results of applying the same settings to all sources.

Did you utilize a "break-in" period? Earlier on this forum I noted Image retention which improved but did not go away with the lower contrast settings (I think default is 30?). I had hoped to be able to turn things up a bit after a few weeks but wasn't sure how comfortable I'd be when I actually did it. If I crank it up a bit will I now see less IR than I did when it was new? I'm thinking particularly about the score tickers, etc. on sporting events.

ckelly33
Did you utilize a "break-in" period? Yes. The first five 24/7 days were with Evangelo2's break in DVD (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=583089).

unfortunately the convenience of everything output via one HDMI cable is limiting in respects to having individual settings per source. This is why I haven't ISF calibrated as of yet because I wonder the results of applying the same settings to all sources.
At the moment I have
a) Oppo to FHD input 1 (DVI, 480p)
b) BluRay/HD-DVD to FHD input 2 (HDMI, 1080p/1080i)
c) Cable to FHD input 3 (HDMI, 480iSD/1080iHD)
but I'm considering trying:
a) Cable to FHD input 1 (DVI, 480iSD/1080iHD) - I have a hdmi-to-dvi cable, but I don't know if this will work, or if hdmi-laws will force a downconversion to 480i.
b) BluRay to FHD input 2 (HDMI, 1080p)
c) HD-DVD to FHD input 3 (HDMI, 1080i)
d) Oppo to FHD input 4 (component)

Eventually I expect to have the same setup as you -- the moment I have a receiver that's capable of decoding the new bigger-better 7.1 audio over hdmi, then I'll want that audio over the video tweaks, at least for BluRay and HD-DVD.

When I first met the salesman who sold me the FHD1, the first thing he asked me was if I wanted everything through the receiver for ease of use, or separate shortest paths for everything requiring more remotes. So apparently there are lots of people in both camps.

I'm thinking particularly about the score tickers, etc. on sporting events.IMO: When you're nervous, turn contrast down. When you're not, and the source is worthy and infrequent, turn it up. If it's the superbowl, and you have a superbowl party, that's worthy. If the kids are watching Batman 1966 TV 4:3, that's not. But as I wrote before, I'm paranoid -- and it's probably your fault (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9255270#post9255270) !
I'm a channel flipper, and I turn the plasma off when I go for a bio break.

-- and it's probably your fault (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9255270#post9255270) !


whoops! Sorry for inciting mass hysteria!! Friday night I left Rainbow 6 (Xbox 360) running its end credits (maybe 10 minutes) only to find the R6 logo when looking at a solid black screen (between channel changes). I guess I'll begoing through a bit more break-in prior to utilizing the higher settings. I'll be running the break-in DVD a few more hours then crank it up for the Superbowl (a Titan-less AFC Championship desrves more abysmal settings).

Seriously, thanks for your input! Your setup is awesome BTW!

Chris

How do you separate the day/night settings?

ATTENTION ALL FHD1 OWNERS AND WOULD BE OWNERS: FHD1 TURBO


For the last day and a half I have been witness to the finest A/V hometheater
presentations of my 30+ hometheater year life.
Great news for us fourm members who have suffered thru HDog-DVD. We are libertated, no more 2 min warmups, no more audio out of sync, no more Freezing on the video side which the HDog-dvd players continues to show the movie going forward, no more motion artifacts when a lot of action happens on the screen, no more 2 min commericals about HDog-dvd which you have to sit thru because you dont have a maginfying glass and a flashlight to see what button to hit on the "worlds worst a/v remote". Whew, had to get that off my chest.

I was luckly to see Eight Below( the best), Total Recall, and Stargate all the way thru and to answer the major questions.

1-Is BR better than HD. Yes, the consistent "no problem" BR system is a big plus, but also the picture quality on the FHD1( and this IS the test monitor) is superior to that of HDog-DVD. it is 1080p/24...probably as I am passing it thru according to basementbobs instructions.
2- I have never seen the FHD1 look any better. The menus on stargate and end sequence dropped my jaw.
If you are looking for the perfrect companion to the FHD1...dont look any futher, dont walk run to the a/v store and get the Pioneer BR player.
3-Set up was easy thanks to BB and now the good part...watching it. Guys the bar has been raised here. The FHD1 and 1080p/24 BR player is the "GREATEST A/V COMBINATION AVAILABLE TODAY" Under 100 grand.
From this day forward I will refer to the FHD1 and the Pioneer BDP-HD1 as the " DYANMIC DUO OF HOMETHEATER"
If any fourm member in Southern Cal wants to buy a HDog-DVD player and seven movies please PM..it cheap and you pick it up.
After all this time, months of waiting finally the FHD1 is performing the way it was created...AWESOME

Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

you wont do that if you own the FHD1 and BR

Just as I predicted: completely unbiased!

Great news for us fourm members who have suffered thru HDog-DVD. We are libertated, no more 2 min warmups, no more audio out of sync, no more Freezing on the video side which the HDog-dvd players continues to show the movie going forward, no more motion artifacts when a lot of action happens on the screen, no more 2 min commericals about HDog-dvd which you have to sit thru because you dont have a maginfying glass and a flashlight to sget that off my chest.

The truth is, I have had NONE of the problems you mentioned with my HD-A2 - then again I'm guessing you were going for effect rather than truth.

you wont do that if you own the FHD1 and BR

No, but I will if I have to read more of your rantings :(

Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Yeah, to see that characterization of HD DVD is truly hysterical. Anyone that criticizes the picture of HD DVD has an agenda...big time (motion blur? say what?). Yes, first gen players could be criticized for slowness and other quirks, but as most people know by now, 2nd gen players are smooth and reliable...with even better PQ than 1st gen...and lighted remotes. Yes, the truth is that BR overall still lags in PQ.

In fact, the 2nd gen Toshibas are the KING of the HD disk world.

Wow, that was fun. Did I say "King"....you bet I did!!! :D

Just as I predicted: completely unbiased!



The truth is, I have had NONE of the problems you mentioned with my HD-A2 - then again I'm guessing you were going for effect rather than truth.


Hey, c'mon now, what's truth got to do with some people's comments in this thread? ;)

ckelly33:

Your setup is awesome BTW!Thank you. I certainly spent enough time and money. There are a bunch of things that are imperfect. Some I can probably tweak (aka < $300), some I can fix (aka > $500), and some I can do nothing about (cable SD).

How do you separate the day/night settings? D-Nice was nice enough to split the setup between two settings on the remote. Download and print the PDF in the first post of this thread. The FHD1 remote has a button on the top left called AV-Selection (or something like that), that switches between {pure, user, standard, movie, game, ...}. D-nice put the day settings on one of them, and the night settings on another one, so I did the same.

Black Hawk Down BluRay.

I can just tell that pursuit of non-crushed-blacks and still having correct colour is going to be what many of us pre-ISF-Calibrated are doing for a while.

Anyway, I watched it with the STANDARD settings I had above, except I changed Brightness=+5 -- and that gave me just enough more detail in the darker scenes, which is about the last 1/3 of the movie.

bladerunner7

Eight Below( the best), Total Recall, and StargateYou're in for a treat then. Just wait until you get some 'tier 1' and 'tier 2' BluRay disks -- it gets better.
The Tier System For Blu-ray PQ (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=753726)

Set up was easy thanks to BBPlease don't anyone put too much faith into my settings. They are a good place to start IMO, and certainly if you're in a hurry to use a new toy, but they're not perfect or even great. Satisfactory is as high as I'd go.

I can't say I agree with your HD-DVD opinion, although the Toshiba HD-XA1 player is clearly not as good as the Pioneer BluRay player (ie my HD-DVDs I'm keeping, my Toshiba HD-XA1 I'll have to replace some day as it's ok but not entirely satisfactory). I'll PM you my opinions in more detail -- not that they're private, but they don't belong in this thread.

No, but I will if I have to read more of your rantings :(
wanna buy a hdead-dvd player??? cheap???

The FHD1 is the monitor which separates the men from the boys, this is the true hd-def test monitor BR and pioneer elite model with 1080/24 produces a " superior picture to the Hd-a1 on my FHD1 hands down. I dont have a second gen player, I am sorry I got ripped off on the 1st gen player and will be lucky if I can take 50-40% loss on a product I have owned a couple of months. I do not intend to get ripped off twice in a row when the format dies..as least I have the best hi-def player and plasma monitor in the hometheater world and sometimes you have to take a loss to explore whats out there.

I am sorry I got ripped off on the 1st gen player and will be lucky if I can take 50-40% loss on a product I have owned a couple of months. I do not intend to get ripped off twice in a row


ROTFL!
So your cure for being "ripped off" on a $500 1st gen HD-DVD player, is to buy a $1500 1st gen Blu-Ray player....

Having seen both of these players playing the same content from HD-DVD and BR into this same set, I really have to laugh at Bladerunner. His postings have become a joke. Also, having seen the new Pioneer plasma at CES, I guess he will have to ditch the FHD-1 as it is no longer the King of the Pioneer family. Not to mention the new 58 and 65" 1080p plasmas from Panasonic. Get a life bladerunner.

I watched DVD Twister (one of my favourite movies), on the Pioneer BluRay player, with DTS5.1 sound. Colour looked fine, maybe spectacular. The resolution was a little lower than I've been used to lately -- which becomes a little more obvious for smaller things in the mid-distance as they walk closer (such as at 1 minute 37 seconds to 43 seconds).

I decided to correct the subwoofer volume to match the output of the Pioneer BluRay instead of the Toshiba Hd-XA1, and since I'm using the toslink optical out of the Pioneer BluRay player into my Yamaha RXV-2400 amplifier, I went through all the DSP modes and settled on Movie Spectacle. Sound is nice. Clear voices, music has some depth.

FHD1 says "480i, STANDARD, WIDE". SAVE2. Brightness+5.
I tried SAVE1 but faces looked too cartoonish. SAVE2 was just fine.

at 16minutes 53seconds the sun reflecting across the car windscreens makes a line across the screen I'd never seen before.
at 2 minutes 51 seconds to 53 seconds the left hand side looks like a blue laser show. Looks odd, but it might be a camera lens artifact that's on the film recording.
at 6 minutes (beginning of chapter 3) might make an acceptable 20 second DVD FHD1 demo spot.

At 35 minutes in the player skipped a couple seconds. It skipped again at 1hour 23 minutes.

I think I've got something with the sound right. At 1 hour and 10 minutes when the air raid sirens went off it was haunting.
The surround wood creaks at 1 hour and 20 minutes were fun, so's the wind at 1 hour 28 minutes.

HELP!!! - SCRATCHED SCREEN :eek: :mad:

My very clumsy cat fell of a shelf above the PRO-FHD1 and, on it's way down, managed to grab the top of the monitor with it's front claws (remember "hang in there, baby") and scratch the screen with it's back claws while trying to climb back up. I have wiped the screen with the special cloth that came with the monitor...but I can feel the scratches in the screen. My wife says she can see them from 10-12 feet away.

Any thoughts? Any suggestions? Can the front glass be replaced?

Can the front glass be replaced?

Don't know if it can be or not. But so far no such part is listed as being available.

http://parts.pioneerelectronics.com/model.asp?modelNum=PROFHD1

So I think you are really going to need to call up Pioneer on this. The only other option maybe would be to call up a auto replacement glass place that can also polish out scratches in auto windshields, and see what they say. But I'm not so sure I'd trust some of those places with doing something like this.

Would it make sense to try something like glasses scratch remover (http://www.wonderfulbuys.ca/liquid_lense/liquid_lense_repair.html).

Having seen both of these players playing the same content from HD-DVD and BR into this same set, I really have to laugh at Bladerunner. His postings have become a joke.

You mean just because virtually every independent review of HD DVD vs BR releases of the same movie have found the HD DVD version better? You mean just because one of the more notable AV mags refused to even review BR movies until their quality showed significant improvement? As I said before, what does truth have to do with some postings in this thread? :rolleyes:

I printed out the "Buy One Get one Free" offer from the Pioneer website and walked into an Elite dealer in Denver, (Ultimate Electronics).

The set had already been marked down another $500 since just last week. I watched the BD demo loop play for a bit, while the eager young salesman held his breath. I finally pulled out the print out and showed it to him, his eyes popped out when he read it, and I told him to go get his manager. They disappeared together for 5 minutes, then the young guy returned and told me the offer is good, but they are out of Pro5016 set but they would order it, I would have to put 30% down to hold the offer for both, or pay the full undiscounted price and take home the FHD-1 and get the other in February. He said they were going to have a sales meeting about it to tell them about the offer, but hadn't. I was counting on leverage to get a better price on the FHD-1, not expecting they could fulfull the offer on the Tweeter set. If the manager was bluffing, I may just raise the price of poker and and plunk down the money. I just have to make up my mind how bad I want the FHD-1. The black levels really do suck as Ken Ross says, but the finely detailed resolution spanks every other 1080p image. I don't feel like waiting for the 60 inch, too big, too long of wait, and more money. Decisions...

Would it make sense to try something like glasses scratch remover (http://www.wonderfulbuys.ca/liquid_lense/liquid_lense_repair.html).

It might work. But that stuff is really intended for use on glasses that are made with optical plastic, which is what most glasses sold are made with nowadays. And not glasses that are made with optical glass. Trust me I wear glasses and I prefer glasses made with glass and not plastic, and it's getting to be a real PITA to find a place that can even still offer you the option of glasses made with glass anymore.

But the thing that puzzles me about the plasma TV screen even getting scratched in this way is, is if the outer part of the panel is glass. I can't see how it could be scratched by the claws of a cat, yeah I know what their claws can do as I have my own cat. But I just don't see where it would scratch glass, optical plastic yes, but glass no.

Update...

About the only way I can see this happening to glass. Is that the glass might be coated with some sort of "anti glare" coating or something, and if so then it is the coating that is scratched and not the glass. But unfortunately that probably also would make any attempt of a quick cure or polishing of the glass even more difficult to actually make it invisible. And trying to polish it out, may even make it worse by removing more of the coating over a even larger area.

HELP!!! - SCRATCHED SCREEN :eek: :mad:

My very clumsy cat fell of a shelf above the PRO-FHD1 and, on it's way down, managed to grab the top of the monitor with it's front claws (remember "hang in there, baby") and scratch the screen with it's back claws while trying to climb back up. I have wiped the screen with the special cloth that came with the monitor...but I can feel the scratches in the screen. My wife says she can see them from 10-12 feet away.

Any thoughts? Any suggestions? Can the front glass be replaced?sorry to hear about your mishap, but seriously, what where you thinking when you placed a shelf above this PDP knowing the Cat would go sit up there "right on top of the PDP", the cat has no clue or could care less how much $ this investment cost you, this type of PDP should hang on a wall "high enough from CATS and children", and nothing above it, that's me, I am sure it can be fixed, but will be very costly, get in touch with your homeowners insurance, they might cover it, just a thought.http://cybertec.smugmug.com/photos/107283065-M.jpg

You mean just because virtually every independent review of HD DVD vs BR releases of the same movie have found the HD DVD version better? You mean just because one of the more notable AV mags refused to even review BR movies until their quality showed significant improvement? As I said before, what does truth have to do with some postings in this thread? :rolleyes:


It don't matter what it is, just as long as it says Elite on it..... You could put a turd in a box, and put a Pioneer Elite logo/label on it. And 'someone' here would more than likely say that it is the absolute best turd in the whole world to have, and that there are no other turds that can measure up to it in pure turd quality. And that you must now own one of these turds at whatever the costs are, or risk being left behind with a substandard turd....

It don't matter what it is, just as long as it says Elite on it..... You could put a turd in a box, and put a Pioneer Elite logo/label on it. And 'someone' here would more than likely say that it is the absolute best turd in the whole world to have, and that there are no other turds that can measure up to it in pure turd quality. And that you must now own one of these turds at whatever the costs are, or risk being left behind with a substandard turd....

I agree that no product line is perfect. And I also agree that "blind buying" just on name alone is not wise. But the counter argument is that that "track record is important" and no one can argue that the overall excellent quality and customer support from elite. I can remember the elite line having the first AC-3 receiver and I bought it blind and it lasted 10 years and it was a heck of product. Elite plasma's have a history of being top of the food chain. But Johnla I did not blind buy the FHD1, I used my eyes and was "blown away buy "chicken little" on BR. With the FHD1 Pioneer has extended it excellent record of "introducing" new products to the market. Just go "costo" and look at ALL the new LCD and Plasmas with 1080p more and more everyday. No my friend, Pioneer hit the ball out of the park with the FHD1 and now the companion to the FHD1 the Pioneer Elite BR player has hit it out of the park too...Elite just keeps the ball rolling

I printed out the "Buy One Get one Free" offer from the Pioneer website and walked into an Elite dealer in Denver, (Ultimate Electronics).
.....the young guy returned and told me the offer is good, Decisions...The snow must be melting and I imagine the roads are clearing up over there. Glad to hear that you were able to find a B&M that would provide you with the deal. Good luck with the decision. Be sure to post what you end up doing, to help the rest of us decide.

Hi all!

We're proud new owners of a PRO-FHD1. We love the monitor, but we're having trouble finding appropriately incredible equipment to go with it.

First, our biggest challenge is finding a cabinet with a lift inside it that is as small as possible. The choices of cabinets-with-lifts are all huge, obviously created for an older generation of bulkier flat panels.

What are you guys using for ultra-compact cabinet-with-lift? We're looking for something that is as short as 32", as wide as 72", and as shallow as possible (preferably 9" or less in depth). Basically, the TV would be hugged on top, bottom, front and back by the cabinet, with the mechanical parts of the lift to the sides.

And, what would guys recommend for super-thin speakers that could be mounted to or at the sides of the PRO-FHD1? I couldn't find whether Pioneer makes speakers specifically for attachment to the left and right edges of the panel.

Thanks very much in advance! The TV is still resting in its box until we can find a way to put it into a cabinet at the foot of our bed.

I have an FHD1 and I see no correlation as to whether you have "spent the money" on a matching set of HT gear as relevant to one's opinion. Quite the contrary, voting with $$ goes both ways. I dropped a load on an FHD1 so does that make me qualified to speak?

I certainly have the resources to choose or not to choose whatever HT gear I want and it's not gonna be a $1500 player where the movies are grainy. I'm paying for the best I can get and if I can get the best for $1000 less that's even better. This is not an HD-DVD vs. BR forum and it is not a place to review a Pioneer BluRay. As YOU said cajieboy, this is a thread for the FHD1. I on the other hand welcome non-owners. This is where they come to get their questions answered and possibly provide quality input that we could all benefit from (as owners).

I find it absolutely insane to badger people with differing opinions because they do not own the gear. I CHOSE not to own it because I HAVE SEEN it. And I'm not the only one: this is from the forum for that player
"...I went back to Pioneer at the CES show and asked about people
with new BDP-HD1s who are seeing graininess in movies.

THE ANSWER:

He said he agrees..."
The rep goes on to say that the grain is something that the directors WANT in their movies. That, is an ELITE turd. My reply to this Pioneer line of crap is that it it's true then you'd see the grainy look in some of the competition's movies. Surely the "grain-look" directors aren't limited to those studios exclusive to Blu-Ray! I haven't personally seen any grainy HD-DVD's. Isn't PQ why we are willing to drop $500-1500 for a new player?

While we are on the subject of the player and NOT the FHD1 (where we should be) I'm not downing the build quality of the Elite, I've seen it and it IS a nicer box than the latest Toshibas, but I buy for the PQ, not the build quality. I'll take a wooden box with the PQ I'm looking for over a stainless steel box with wannabe PQ anyday.

If my opinion on the matter isn't qualified for blade because I don't OWN IT, then it probably never will. I don't OWN IT because I KNOW IT!! so to speak.

dchang0:

I'm not sure what you mean by 'lift'. Perhaps you mean 'mount'.

I wanted an arm mount, rather than a flat on the wall mount, for various reasons:
BasementBob's Black Arm Mount thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=756225)

I'm also a little confused what you have holding your FHD1 up now. (What is holding it up now?)
The FHD1 can be supported by
a) an arm mount
b) a flat wall mount
c) a stand (feet under it)

In BasementBob's Living Room Plasma thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=716086), one link you might want to have a look at is the backer link (http://www.bobgolds.com/LivingRoomPlasma/backer.htm). Ultimately I decided not to go that way, but there was a while.

This was my original thoughts (http://www.bobgolds.com/LivingRoomPlasma/home.htm)

And this is what I ultimately did with it (http://www.bobgolds.com/LivingRoomPlasma/Construction/home.htm) (scroll to the end to see the final pics -- the White Christmas pic is taken from the right couch seat position).

Canadian Sound, in Oakville Ontario Canada (www.canadiansound.com) recently put up a 8' x 8' wall system made of 2'x2'x1/2" mahogany pieces with black rails between them. Sort of like a tic-tac-toe board, except 4x4 instead of 3x3. It sits out from the wall a few inches, allowing the cables to be hidden behind it. It's strong enough to put a flat mount on for the FHD1. Looks very nice. Unfortunately there's no picture of it at their website.

Anyway, there's a couple of good threads on furniture at AVS you might want to search for.


For speakers, the best sound would be from 5 identical speakers and a subwoofer or two. I did some testing (http://www.bobgolds.com/SpeakerTests/home.htm) and was all set to buy the "PSB Image B15S Compact Monitor". Essentially I was looking for something about 14" tall or less, to go on top of a cradenza under the FHD1. But ultimately I decided to use my bigger B&W speakers because I had them laying around and I was bringing my old receiver upstairs anyway, and as speakers go they are certainly absolutely good enough.

Okay, some posts have been removed.

Will the users(you know who you are) please stop using this thread for repetitive rants and flaming.

I can't believe this is back where the other FHD1 thread left off.

But the counter argument is that that "track record is important" and no one can argue that the overall excellent quality and customer support from elite.

The Elite branded products are really no better than any other brand in that regard.
There are many documented instances, on various Elite products, that prove that the Elite line is far from having a squeaky clean track record.

dchang0:

I'm not sure what you mean by 'lift'. Perhaps you mean 'mount'.



I think he maybe means a cabinet with a motorized lift. Where the TV will 'lift up' from a closed cabinet when you wish to use it, and then lower into it to become 'hidden' in the closed cabinet when it's not in use.


http://www.auton.com/content/images/plasma_ani_sm.gif


You can pretty much hide anything in this way and in other ways, according to these people.

http://www.auton.com/

sorry to hear about your mishap, but seriously, what where you thinking when you placed a shelf above this PDP knowing the Cat would go sit up there "right on top of the PDP", the cat has no clue or could care less how much $ this investment cost you, this type of PDP should hang on a wall "high enough from CATS and children", and nothing above it, that's me, I am sure it can be fixed, but will be very costly, get in touch with your homeowners insurance, they might cover it, just a thought.

As a cat owner myself, I have to agree with you. Even though my cat is well trained and will stay off most of the stuff that he knows he is not supposed to be on. Every once and awhile he 'forgets', and goes there anyways. It don't happen very often with him, but it does happen. And yes, calling up your insurance agent for you homeowners insurance probably would not be a bad idea either. If you don't want to tell them about the cat, then tell them vibrations from a plane that went overhead or something like a truck driving by, caused a item fell off the shelf and hit the TV. The worse thing is they can only say no, but they might also say yes it's covered.

I give my cats free reign over their domain... they haven't scratched my PDP.

Johnla:
Good catch. I can't believe I forgot about that option :eek:
Auton is a nifty website :)

Auton is a nifty website :)

Yeah their main page with all the animation going on, is almost like something out of Disneyworld.

Johnla, great tip & link to the Auton site. Thanks.

Does the FHD-1, or any plasma for that matter include the hardware or brackets to simply mount it solid on a wall without the expensive pivoting arms?

where can i buy this plasma?..thanks.

Tom Roper:

There are smaller mounts than the arm ones, and a lot cheaper, available on websites all over the place -- because there are cheaper heavier plasmas out there in the world.
My local BestBuy has a wall full of Sanus mounts of various types, including flat on the wall mounts.
There was no mount in the FHD1 box that I got.

buzzyboy:

Any authorized by pioneer dealer.

Go to http://www.pioneerelectronics.com , and on the grey menu on the top click on Find A Store. Note that the FHD1 may not be sold over the internet.

search results come back zero, from a hundred mile radius, Manhattan NY.!

There are smaller mounts than the arm ones, and a lot cheaper, available on websites all over the place -- because there are cheaper heavier plasmas out there in the world.
My local BestBuy has a wall full of Sanus mounts of various types, including flat on the wall mounts.
There was no mount in the FHD1 box that I got.

Thank you!

It don't matter what it is, just as long as it says Elite on it..... You could put a turd in a box, and put a Pioneer Elite logo/label on it. And 'someone' here would more than likely say that it is the absolute best turd in the whole world to have, and that there are no other turds that can measure up to it in pure turd quality. And that you must now own one of these turds at whatever the costs are, or risk being left behind with a substandard turd....

I don't own FDH1 yet (and I do not own any Pioneer gears), thinking if I should get one now or wait for newer 1080p plasmas. However, right now, I truly think that PQ from FDH1 is the best. It looked stunning in my eyes.

If you like it, buy it. But that don't mean you should also try and twist the arms of someone else that does not feel the way that you do about it into buying one. But with all the new 1080p plasmas that are going to be coming out in the months ahead, if you don't have a dire need for one now, then waiting awhile longer may be the best choice.

Has anyone gotten the free 50" with purchase of the FHD1? I'm expecting delivery of an FHD1 from my dealer tomorrow, and while receptive to my question about the special offer, the dealer indicated that it probably wouldn't apply because they ordered the panel from their distributor before 1/8.

Has anyone gotten the free 50" with purchase of the FHD1? I'm expecting delivery of an FHD1 from my dealer tomorrow, and while receptive to my question about the special offer, the dealer indicated that it probably wouldn't apply because they ordered the panel from their distributor before 1/8.

I'd call their bluff and pull the plug on that order. You can always reorder from them (or someone else) on a date that falls withon the parameter. No way I'd miss the free $2500 TV! Are you located near KY? I've got a dealer friend that will make you a part of the promotion if you can't find anyone else!

I'd call their bluff and pull the plug on that order. You can always reorder from them (or someone else) on a date that falls withon the parameter. No way I'd miss the free $2500 TV! Are you located near KY? I've got a dealer friend that will make you a part of the promotion if you can't find anyone else!

Yeah, I'd definitely call their bluff and cancel the original order. I'll bet they re-consider, and that's BS about the date issue. Your warranty does even begin until you actually take possession of the display. Tell them this promo deal is too good to pass up and if they can not accommodate then you'll find another Pio dealer that can.

Question on the FHD-1...

If you are watching a movie in 2.35:1 format (wide with black bars top and bottom), can you re-scale the image to get rid of the black bars?

I'd call their bluff and pull the plug on that order. You can always reorder from them (or someone else) on a date that falls withon the parameter. No way I'd miss the free $2500 TV! Are you located near KY? I've got a dealer friend that will make you a part of the promotion if you can't find anyone else!

That's certainly what I'd do, that order would be cancelled yesterday if they told me that! No way would I go through with buying it and not get the free additional TV that is offered in the promotion now. Unless they offered to drop another $2k+ off the purchase price of the FHD1 instead. And I would not even take that offer, if they were asking full MSRP on the FHD1.

Tell them this promo deal is too good to pass up and if they can not accommodate then you'll find another Pio dealer that can.Or, tell them to take off another $2500. :cool:
Either way, you’re in the driver's seat.

Question on the FHD-1...

If you are watching a movie in 2.35:1 format (wide with black bars top and bottom), can you re-scale the image to get rid of the black bars?

Yes, it'll stretch the black bars out. Sometimes it just looks slightly distorted, so I just leave it with black bars.

SO??? FLIPIT??? Are you gonna go hardcore and hold out for the free TV? I hate to say that I missed the thing by buying 3 weeks too early. I even called Pioneer who said YES....then NO the next day. Very frustrating to have missed this by such a small window. It's not like its $500 off or anything small. I would have loved to have given this to my parents.

Too bad.

Or, tell them to take off another $2500. :cool:
Either way, you’re in the driver's seat.

this offer is TOOOOO good to pass up, tell them not to be so technical or go elsewhere for the best monitor out there the FHD1

I was reading the manual in regards to the PureCinema function of the FHD1 (p25-26).

When it says "Produces smooth and quality moving images (as shown on the theater screens) by converting to 72Hz when displaying DVD images (e.g., movies) having 24 frames per second.", I'm guessing that it is referring to an INPUT SIGNAL of 24fps - correct?

I'm guessing that it is referring to an INPUT SIGNAL of 24fps - correct?
Yes, that's right.

I completed the 2 for 1 purchase, not wanting to let the opportunity slip. I mentioned earlier that Ultimate Electronics said they would participate in the offer, but the price would be the full list of the FHD-1 and the PD5016 would not ship until February. What a difference two days makes!

I went to a different store location, the one where I usually shop, to my really excellent and helpful salesman Bob Wikeen. He wrote the order up at the discounted price not the list. (Hint nine times eight). The PD5016 is shown as both a debit and credit for net zero. I felt I should not let that opportunity escape since it was unexpectedly lower than just two days before. I thought it might even be a mistake. Whether it is or not, I think this is a good deal at this time. One thing for sure, they have really dropped in price and we can surely expect that to continue.

I was too tired to bring it home, I'll bring the FHD-1 home tomorrow and the PD5016 a day or two later.

But it is not Tweeter proprietary, that I can confirm. I saw the inventory stocking levels at each store, they're all going to carry them.

I really don't know much about the PD5016, but it doesn't have a turd on it...lol. Bob and the store manager were both ecstatic about this sale, their first of the offer. They just had a sales meeting about it today. Out of curiosity, they looked up the details on the PD5016 on the Pioneer website, unlike the FHD-1 it has built in tuners ATSC, NTSC and QAM and includes a stand. Sweet!

I wish you all the best. If you didn't get the deal, you still got to be early adopters and enjoy it. If you don't get in now, remember that prices are falling, you'll get a great deal later or a more advanced set be assured.

About a week back I was at the store I bought the FHD1 from, and mentioned the new 60" Pioneer plasma's black levels to the salesman I'd been dealing with.

His face lit up like a child on christmas morning.

He said that there were a few people looking for used FHD1's, and that I could trade up to a bran new 60" when it comes available.
Let's see, his plan is to:
a) got a commission on the FHD1 I bought from him
b) get a commission on the same FHD1 as he resells it to the other person
c) get a commission on the new 60" plasma

I'm not entirely sure I need/want a 60" plasma, although strangely enough it will fit.
I don't even need a new mount.
I've kept the FHD1 box.

I haven't even got my FHD1 calibrated yet, and my salesman is talking about an upgrade path.
http://www.bobgolds.com/smilies/ROFL.gif

As I've said a few times in the past decade "If you can order it, it's obsolete."

I measured the total current used with an ammeter.

FHD1 + Yamaha RXV2400 (amp) + two B&W ASW675 subwoofers + Samsung 970P LCD monitor + Dell Latitude CP1 laptop + Pioneer BDP-HD1 BluRay player + Motorola DCT 6416III cable DVR + Monoprice 5:1 hdmi switch + one 150watt hallogen bulb

total: 6 amps

I really don't know much about the PD5016, but it doesn't have a turd on it...lolCongrats on your purchase Tom,
My understanding is that the 5016 is using last years (Pio Gen 6) glass while the PRO-FHD1 is using the Pio Gen 7 glass and the coming 1080p Pio 60" will be using Gen 8 glass.

About a week back I was at the store I bought the FHD1 from, and mentioned the new 60" Pioneer plasma's black levels to the salesman I'd been dealing with.

His face lit up like a child on christmas morning.

He said that there were a few people looking for used FHD1's, and that I could trade up to a bran new 60" when it comes available.
Let's see, his plan is to:
a) got a commission on the FHD1 I bought from him
b) get a commission on the same FHD1 as he resells it to the other person
c) get a commission on the new 60" plasma

I'm not entirely sure I need/want a 60" plasma, although strangely enough it will fit.
I don't even need a new mount.
I've kept the FHD1 box.

I haven't even got my FHD1 calibrated yet, and my salesman is talking about an upgrade path.
http://www.bobgolds.com/smilies/ROFL.gif

As I've said a few times in the past decade "If you can order it, it's obsolete."

Did your salesman buddy give you any idea when they might be receiving the new Pioneer 60"er?

cajieboy:
No. I told him about it. They had sent someone from the store down to CES, but it wasn't him.

SO??? FLIPIT??? Are you gonna go hardcore and hold out for the free TV? I hate to say that I missed the thing by buying 3 weeks too early. I even called Pioneer who said YES....then NO the next day. Very frustrating to have missed this by such a small window. It's not like its $500 off or anything small. I would have loved to have given this to my parents.

Too bad.


Thanks to everyone who responded, with what I think is great advice. I'm buying my panel part of a much larger system (with install and integration), so I'm reluctant to start from scratch. However, I agree this is a ridiculous technicality (particularly since I haven't yet taken delivery), and I won't rest/be satisfied until this is properly addressed. I wasn't paying anywhere near MSRP, which might factor in to the dealer's enthusiasm.

Thanks to everyone who responded, with what I think is great advice. I'm buying my panel part of a much larger system (with install and integration), so I'm reluctant to start from scratch. However, I agree this is a ridiculous technicality (particularly since I haven't yet taken delivery), and I won't rest/be satisfied until this is properly addressed. I wasn't paying anywhere near MSRP, which might factor in to the dealer's enthusiasm.

The purchase of a "much larger system and install"?...Geez, that just increases the ante in my mind that your dealer NEEDS to pony up to the new Pio Promo. Believe me, he can do it if he wants to.

BasementBob, the release date of that all-new super-duper Pioneer 60"er is the 64 Million Dollar question, so it's no surprise that no one knows. Any Pioneer Reps on this Forum care to comment?

I phoned somebody very experienced local to get an ISF calibration. His comment was he didn't think I needed it because the TV has day and night settings. First off, is this relevant? Secondly, anyone know how to access those settings? Thanks

Well after trading in my 1140 for the FHD1, I'm not sure if its was worth the extra cash, I still see noise while I watch some fast moving HD broadcasts, also I get horizontal lines in fast motion scenes in HDTV and BR, am I missing something here?? do I have something set wrong or is there no such thing as a perfect TV?? or maybe I'm just to picky, I have not had the set calibrated yet BTW.

or is there no such thing as a perfect TV??.
The absolute perfect TV has not been manufactured or even invented yet by anyone, and maybe never will be.

The absolute perfect TV has not been manufactured or even invented yet by anyone, and maybe never will be.Your right, but for $7000+ I expected better than this, I'm surprised that know one else has said anything, Im sure they are experiencing the same thing or maybe I just got a bad one.

Need help - I am using D-Nices burn in settings - I have had this TV fro about 2 weeks - my on watches Noggin the kids channel. I noticed lst night slight burn in of the Noggin logo on the bottom right of the screen. I have been playin the Burn in DVD for the last 4 nights - since I notvied it last night I was hoping to weake up and it be gone. It is still there. I have turn down th econtrast even more - what else can I do?

Congrats on your purchase Tom,
My understanding is that the 5016 is using last years (Pio Gen 6) glass while the PRO-FHD1 is using the Pio Gen 7 glass and the coming 1080p Pio 60" will be using Gen 8 glass.

Thanks. The 5016 should arrive in a day or two. The Pro-FHD-1 I set up last night. It really delivers the mail.

lee63

I still see noise while watch some fast moving HD broadcasts, also I get horizontal lines in fast motion scenes in HDTV and BR, am I missing something here?? do I have something set wrong or is there no such thing as a perfect TV??
I also see noise -- but it depends on the source.
I haven't seen horizontal lines in HDTV or BluRay -- if you tell me where (HH:MM:SS of a BluRay) perhaps I could try it here.

Some shows I stand as close as 2' from the FHD1 -- I think it can be pretty good.

IMO there are two issues with using the FHD1:
1) finding a source that's better-than/as-good-as the FHD1. Most cable channels certainly ain't it. I was watching MayDay on Discovery HD the other day -- and I don't think it was really HD. Bikini Destinations on HDNET is usually good picture quality, but there's not a lot of plot there. There's only a few BluRay disks that are good enough to be called 'perfect'. I was watching Stargate BluRay the other day and there are parts that are spectacular (ironically that includes a sand storm or two that should of course be grainy, aka sand-y :) ), but a lot of Stargate is mucky. I got Tears Of The Sun today -- I'm looking forward to it.
2) tuning the FHD1 to handle crushed blacks correctly -- or at least as well as it can, without loosing pleasant correct and saturated colours.

There's also what I call the 'not knowing', as in "Is the poor picture with this SD DVD the source, or the player or the FHD1, or because I have something obvious set wrong on the player or the FHD1. I know not if this SD DVD could look better with something different."

I phoned somebody very experienced local to get an ISF calibration. His comment was he didn't think I needed it because the TV has day and night settings. First off, is this relevant? Secondly, anyone know how to access those settings? Thanks

kberman, I THINK (but don't know for sure) that the Day and Night settings are only enabled once the ISFccc calibration is performed by an ISF certified technician. I've been looking in the operating manual, but haven't found anything so far.

Can anyone else please confirm this?

I managed to get the FHD-1 home and mounted without breaking or scratching it. Watched it for an hour and a half, looks nice on HDTV, HD-DVD even SD.

I like the "Pure Dot by Dot" mode without any noise filters, gamma 2, Power Save 1, mid-low white balance. Black enhance off. Also nice scaling and the adjustable colorspace. Very happy.

I managed to get the FHD-1 home...without...scratching it.
Do you have a cat? :rolleyes:

Yes. My Wife. :)

lee63


I also see noise -- but it depends on the source.
I haven't seen horizontal lines in HDTV or BluRay -- if you tell me where (HH:MM:SS of a BluRay) perhaps I could try it here.

Some shows I stand as close as 2' from the FHD1 -- I think it can be pretty good.

IMO there are two issues with using the FHD1:
1) finding a source that's better-than/as-good-as the FHD1. Most cable channels certainly ain't it. I was watching MayDay on Discovery HD the other day -- and I don't think it was really HD. Bikini Destinations on HDNET is usually good picture quality, but there's not a lot of plot there. There's only a few BluRay disks that are good enough to be called 'perfect'. I was watching Stargate BluRay the other day and there are parts that are spectacular (ironically that includes a sand storm or two that should of course be grainy, aka sand-y :) ), but a lot of Stargate is mucky. I got Tears Of The Sun today -- I'm looking forward to it.
2) tuning the FHD1 to handle crushed blacks correctly -- or at least as well as it can, without loosing pleasant correct and saturated colours.

There's also what I call the 'not knowing', as in "Is the poor picture with this SD DVD the source, or the player or the FHD1, or because I have something obvious set wrong on the player or the FHD1. I know not if this SD DVD could look better with something different."I understand the source is the key to any HD set, but the horizontal lines look like a PC game when you do not have vsync enabled, I think its called image tearing, I didn't notice this on the 1140.

Edit: A good exsample of this was when I was watching a show on HDnet and there was a lot of flash bulbs going off on cameras, there where lines all over the screen.

I have recently ordered the Pio PRO-FHD1 (as part of the 2 for 1 deal with the 5016) and have a few questions:

1. Can anyone recommend a low profile mount for the Pro-FHD1? Ideally, it would be able to handle this screen and also screens up to 65 inch as I might move the Pro-FHD1 to another room and place a 65inch in that spot in the next 1-2 years.

2. I am debating which format HD 1080p player to get. If I go Blu-Ray, is there any advantage to the Pioneer blu-ray player over using a PS3-- which is cheaper and allows game playing if desired?

3. Any recommendation on a great universal remote? I am considering the Marantz, Harmony 1000, MX-3000. I would like the remote to control:

Pio PRO-FHD1 (of course!)
Pioneer Elite VSX84TXSi Surround Receiver
Motorola 6412 Cablebox/DVR
Pioneer Elite DV-79AVi DVD Player
? Blu-ray vs HD-DVD player
? Mac-mini or other HTPC or media server

Thanks for any advice... looking forward to getting the Pio PRO-FHD1!

As for a remote, if you get a MX-3000. Make damn sure you buy if from someone who is a authorized dealer for it or you will probably end up with the crippled programming software that no longer has the "Live Update" option. Even though I have a MX-3000 that I bought it from a legit dealer and I have the full functioning software, I don't like what URC did when they made that change in the software policy. The new Logitech Harmony 1000 looks nice, and it even looks like it may be a equal to the MX-3000 in what it can do, not to mention it's MSRP price is a lot better than a MX-3000. But Logitech Harmonys somewhat bulky online programming interface is no real picnic either. I also have a Harmony 880, and the online programming can be more than just a little frustrating when you start to make up a complicated system. At times I wish I would have bought a Pronto, as just about every product sooner or later has a Pronto file put out for it. And that's something that can not be said of the URC remotes like the MX-3000. So you often end up trying to convert the Pronto codes with the universal browser option in the programming software, or by learning the codes off the original remote, whenever a needed code in not in the MX-3000 database.

I have a Harmony 890, and for the FHD1 it keeps asking me to set the channel (in addition to the input). I told it that it was a monitor (which Harmony defines as not having a tuner) nevertheless, it wants a channel.
Personally I use the main remotes (all 7 of them) most of the time, because I can control individual things. It's probably slower, and I wouldn't want to do it drunk.
But when company comes and I have to work, I hand them the Harmony, and tell them whenever they want to change from one source to another, turn everything off and use the 'activities' to turn things on and set everything up.

Because the Harmony knows what the previous device settings are, it should send the minimum number of commands to accomplish things.
But sometimes I wish I could just tell it to send this command, wait this delay, send that command -- as a list/macro, with less 'smarts' and a less 'friendly' UI with fewer defaults. The 'device' menu for some of my toys is 4 screens in size.
It takes about 20 minutes to get the first programming done -- and then another 5 hours to get it to actually work for all the devices.


Johnla:
Do you mean this MX-3000 (http://www.smarthome.com/8054.html) ?



( Logitech Harmony 1000 (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/detailsharmony/US/EN,CRID=2084,CONTENTID=12498) )

I've had Pronto's, Harmony's and currently have a NevoSL. I would recommend any of them, depending on your need. If you are not a "do-it-yourself-er", I'd go for the Harmony. If you are looking for RF control, I'd go for the Pronto. If you are intersted in controlling your mp3's & photo collection over mulitple zones, Nevo's the one. The downsides to each are: Harmony-lack of control over the software (it's practically automated which makes it easy for people who want it "vanilla" but fully functional. To me, the Pronto's aren't ergonomic like the Harmony or the Nevo (best ergonomic). The Nevo's are battery hogs if you utilize full WiFi functionality.

As far as the BR Pioneer vs PS3: Pioneer offers a dedicated remote (PS3 coming soon) and 1080p/24 to take full advantage of your panel's features but the PS3 has been reviewed by several independent sources as comparable in PQ to even the best BR players. Ps3 plays games...but there is not much out there right now.

I have PS3, HD-DVD....& Nevo.