sorry for the basic question but i can't find a thread that covers this. i am just getting familiar with my new HDQ and cannot figure out how to set up for my 720P projector through a panamorph onto a 2.35 screen. i will leave the panamorph in place and want the scaler to crop and stretch a 2.35 image to fill my screen. i have set the system aspect ratio and it seems to correctly pillarbox 16:9 HDTivo programming. i just can't figure out how to get it to stretch and crop a letterboxed 2.35 AR picture onto my screen.

fyi, i posted this to the lumagen forum also a few days ago.

greg

I have the HDQ and a Panamorph. This is what I recommend doing: set up two different outputs.

output 0 – set the aspect ratio to 2.35. Set all MEM A buttons to use output 0 (they will do that by default anyway). You will use MEM A for all source AR’s EXCEPT 2.35:1

Output 1 – set the output AR to 16:9. Set the 16:9 MEM B button to use output 1 – the only input AR button you are going to use on MEM B is the 16:9 button. This is the button you will use for 2.35:1 films. Set the TOPL and BTMR while viewing a 2.35:1 film so that it fills the screen.

Save your settings.

I know that the above sounds backwards and counterintuitive, but there is a method to the madness. This will give you the best image quality. You can do just the setup output 0 above, then for 2.35:1 viewing – choose MEM A 16:9 and zoom until it fills the screen. That will work, but it does double scaling.

If this is clear as mud, let me know and I will try to clarify :)

thank you very much. this is exactly what i needed. i will try this approach.

g

usualsuspects, i'd appreciate it if you can you please clarify the steps in detail. I too have an HDQ coming so iwant to set it up for 2:35 CH with a Panamorph VC lens. The lens will stay in place so I will need settings for 2:35 and 16:9 switching controllable via remote. Thank you.


I have the HDQ and a Panamorph. This is what I recommend doing: set up two different outputs.

output 0 – set the aspect ratio to 2.35. Set all MEM A buttons to use output 0 (they will do that by default anyway). You will use MEM A for all source AR’s EXCEPT 2.35:1

Output 1 – set the output AR to 16:9. Set the 16:9 MEM B button to use output 1 – the only input AR button you are going to use on MEM B is the 16:9 button. This is the button you will use for 2.35:1 films. Set the TOPL and BTMR while viewing a 2.35:1 film so that it fills the screen.

Save your settings.

I know that the above sounds backwards and counterintuitive, but there is a method to the madness. This will give you the best image quality. You can do just the setup output 0 above, then for 2.35:1 viewing – choose MEM A 16:9 and zoom until it fills the screen. That will work, but it does double scaling.

If this is clear as mud, let me know and I will try to clarify :)

By default the output setting on the Lumagen will be set to "same". You can use auto independent or independent (either will work). It’s really tough to give step by step because each persons setup is slightly different. Once you have the Lumagen and you see the menus, it should be clearer what I am talking about above.

"The lens will stay in place so I will need settings for 2:35 and 16:9 switching controllable via remote. Thank you."

If you are going to leave the lens in place all the time there is no need for two output memories. That is unneeded complication.

Simply set the Output 720p with Output AR to 2.35.

Then depending upon the AR of the source you simple select the appropriate Input AR.

For 2.35 material either use the new 2.35 Input AR button on the new remote or hit 1.85 and Zoom in twice to Z2. It will keep that setting so you only need to set it once.

After that using the discrete buttons on the remote select 1.33, 1.78 and the 1.85 (Z2) or 2.35 as needed.

Quick and simple. I run the same setup.

Shawn

If you are going to leave the lens in place all the time there is no need for two output memories. That is unneeded complication.


That is how I used to do it. Yes - that "works", but when you use that method, resolution is discarded for 2.35:1 source AR's. First the 2.35:1 image is shrunk so that it can fit in the pillarboxed 16:9 target area, then it is zoomed out. Perhaps this does not matter so much for SD sources, they don't have the resolution anyway. But for HD sources, especially on 1080p projectors, this is not desirable. I would argue that if you can avoid this situation, you should, even on SD. Try it both ways and decide for yourself if it matters to you. I don't find it to be a complication for me, just a matter of one extra button press in my remote macro programming.

"That is how I used to do it. Yes - that "works", but when you use that method, resolution is discarded for 2.35:1 source AR's. First the 2.35:1 image is shrunk so that it can fit in the pillarboxed 16:9 target area, then it is zoomed out."

Not true. The way I mentioned uses all the resolution of the projector for 2.35 sources. The lens effectively makes the projector a 2.35 AR projector. When you watch ARs below the 2.35 of the lens/projector combo is when you don't use the full resolution of the projector. That is no different then when one watches 1.33 material on a 1.78 projector.

If one is keeping the sources AR the same there is no way around using less of the projectors resolution on <2.35 sources with the lens left in place.

Shawn

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8968941#post8968941

I have the HDQ and a Panamorph. This is what I recommend doing: set up two different outputs.

output 0 – set the aspect ratio to 2.35. Set all MEM A buttons to use output 0 (they will do that by default anyway). You will use MEM A for all source AR’s EXCEPT 2.35:1

Output 1 – set the output AR to 16:9. Set the 16:9 MEM B button to use output 1 – the only input AR button you are going to use on MEM B is the 16:9 button. This is the button you will use for 2.35:1 films. Set the TOPL and BTMR while viewing a 2.35:1 film so that it fills the screen.

Save your settings.

I know that the above sounds backwards and counterintuitive, but there is a method to the madness. This will give you the best image quality. You can do just the setup output 0 above, then for 2.35:1 viewing – choose MEM A 16:9 and zoom until it fills the screen. That will work, but it does double scaling.

If this is clear as mud, let me know and I will try to clarify :)

Usualsuspects (or anyone else that has the answer) -

I followed the advice from usualsuspects above using my Vision HDP and I do think it provides a more detailed picture for 2.35:1 material on my Sony Pearl than using the zoom function on 2.35 output. The problem is I am having difficulty saving my settings to a separate output. Can someone point me in the right direction to the output settings on the Lumagen?

Basically, I want to set my inputs to 2 output settings:

For 16:9 (or 4:3) material, I want to set the output 0 to 2.35:1. As indicated, with my VC lens in place, this produces a 16:9 image with vertical black pillar bars on my 2.35:1 screen.

For 2.35:1 material (whether it is derived from input 1, 3 or 4), I want to set a different output (e.g., output 1) to 16:9 (1.78:1) and then use the TOPL and BOTL to stretch the image to fill my 2.35:1 screen.

I was able to do the above and it produced a pleasing image for both settings. The problem is that I could not save the output settings. I tried to use the output Independent setting and save the settings as MEMA and MEMB. For example, 1A and 1B for my HD DVR inputs. The TOPL/BOTL stretch seemed to save for 1B, but not the output setting as 1.78:1 as it defaults to 2.35 when I save 1A (this ends up with a pillar-boxed stetched image - not good).

After reading the Lumagen FAQ page, it appears that I can save different output settings (using OUTSELL) but only for different input resolutions. In this case, if my DVR is inputting 1080i to Input 1, it appears that I cannot save separate output settings to Input 1 unless I change the input resolution(which is not preferable). Is this correct? I think I may be missing something, but help here is appreciated.

Thanks

John

Lumagen just put up new manuals - link: http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=manuals

You should update your firmware, the manuals assume the latest firmware is installed.

The manuals describe it better than I can - :) - take a look at page 34.

Lumagen just put up new manuals - link: http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=manuals

You should update your firmware, the manuals assume the latest firmware is installed.

The manuals describe it better than I can - :) - take a look at page 34.

Thanks! On page 34, it states the following:

"To create a new output configuration, select an input and input memory to be changed. Then select a different output configuration number (e.g., MENU->IN->OUTSELL->1 OK)"

Then it goes on to discuss submemories for each input resolution.

In my case, I want my input resolutions to be the same (1080i) but want to vary the output aspect ratios.

Is this as simple as this:

Set my Input 1A to output 2.35:1 (for 16.9 material with pillar bars through my VC lens to my 2.35:1 screen), saving this setting then selecting output mode independent.

Then select 1B (set-up for 2.35:1 material using TOPL and BOT at output aspect ratio 1.78) and then selecting OUTSELL -> 1 OK.

Is this how you have it set?

OK, I think I see where the confusion is, forgive me if I over-explain things you already know, just trying to be clear here, because it gets confusing.

There are two different places marked "output" - There is the overall output setup for the Lumagen, then for each input memory there is a section to choose the output.

I don't remember if the numbering starts at zero or one when you use multiple output mode - I'm going to use zero here.

Go into the main OUTPUT setup (NOT under any of the inputs) - choose INDEP output mode. Go into OUTPUT 0 - set the AR to 2.35. Go into OUTPUT 1 - set the AR to 1.78.

Choose MemA - go into each input and each AR and make sure that the output setting is set to output 0. Note that there are 4 different outputs that need to be set on each input. You will end up seeing something like "(0/0/0/0)" for your output. This is the default way that the inputs are set up, so unless you have been messing with the output config settings you don't even need to do this step.

Choose MemB - go into each input and for the 16x9 AR make sure that the output setting is set to output 1. You will end up seeing something like "(1/1/1/1)" for your output.

"For 2.35:1 material (whether it is derived from input 1, 3 or 4), I want to set a different output (e.g., output 1) to 16:9 (1.78:1) and then use the TOPL and BOTL to stretch the image to fill my 2.35:1 screen."

Lumagen has said on their support forum there is no need to do this. The new 2.35 AR input on the advanced remote does not loose any resolution on the source. So all you need to do if you leave the lens in place is set output AR to 2.35 and then simply use the appropriate AR input button.

http://www.convergent-av.co.uk/forum/index.php?t=msg&goto=5048&rid=0&S=5dd6fdba55a3b607ebea5221085fdec7#msg_5048

Shawn

i am using the Lumagen HDQ with a RS1 projector and a Prismasonic FE1500m lens that has a "pass-thru" mode...so the lens always stays in place

i am slowly learning how to operate the HDQ but it is confusing, the support at Lumagen is awesome which helps a great deal

keeping things very basic (because that's all i know :D)

when i first got my unit i would perform the vertical stretch by hitting the 16:9 or Ltrbox buttons on the HDQ...then i would turn the knobs on my lens to horizontal stretch manually for 2:35

tech support at Lumagen (thanks Randy!) told me to follow the instructions in the "Tech Tips" for a movable (HE) lens

this wants me to program seperate MEM buttons for 16:9 and 2:35...but its all very confusing...anyone have any tips?

also, when i watch 2:35 movies i seem to be overscanning by about 3" on the bottom...this doesnt happen with 16:9 material

i am pulling my hair out trying to figure all this out and dont want to trouble tech support too much....i wondered if anyone had any "real world" advice

thanks!

brad