With that much headroom, one other configuration worth trying consists of stereo front subs with an LFE mono pair. Whether or not it improves sound quality depends on room acoustics and your ability to blend the stereo pair with the mains and mono subs. Its a more challenging and time consuming proposition than quad monos since you have to struggle with more phase issues but the FL subs have plenty of controls to tame that beast.

The usual argument about this setup is you can lose the main advantage of quads, smooth FR across all seats. However that doesn't need to be the case if you are successful with placement and integration. The reward is a more holigraphic front soundstage with music and more realistic panning effects in movies. I've found the usual remark about how bass below 80hz is omnidirectional fails to encompass our survival ability to sense the direction of change in sound pressure. That's why stereo subs sound so much better than dual monos if properly setup. :cool:

Very nice RMK, what a sweet setup...

I'm gunna go sulk in the corner, seeing as I only have 1 F112... but then again, its just for my little bedroom setup.. :)

With that much headroom, one other configuration worth trying consists of stereo front subs with an LFE mono pair. Whether or not it improves sound quality depends on room acoustics and your ability to blend the stereo pair with the mains and mono subs. Its a more challenging and time consuming proposition than quad monos since you have to struggle with more phase issues but the FL subs have plenty of controls to tame that beast.

The usual argument about this setup is you can lose the main advantage of quads, smooth FR across all seats. However that doesn't need to be the case if you are successful with placement and integration. The reward is a more holigraphic front soundstage with music and more realistic panning effects in movies. I've found the usual remark about how bass below 80hz is omnidirectional fails to encompass our survival ability to sense the direction of change in sound pressure. That's why stereo subs sound so much better than dual monos if properly setup. :cool:

Good suggestion and sounds interesting but I will have to hit the books before jumping into that one;). Have you done this with your dual F113's with the SMS-1 in the chain? I'd be interested in a connection diagram:confused:.

Rob, I've planned the same thing as John is talking about. Connection to the front fathoms via xlr for ht. Connect via rca to integrate with the stereo part of things. Might be a pain in the butt to switch connections but at least it will let me try it out.

In addition to Asher's approach, there are several ways to do it. To help with integration I like to use another crossover to the mains like a dbx or rane with the LF running to the subs and the HF back into the main amp. Or if you have a powerful HT amp, run full range L/R to the mains and sub, and use the Fathom crossover to fill in beneath the mains. The external crossover saves amp headroom for the mains and allows a higher crossover point.

Funny signature Asher. :)

Hey congrats Rob and welcome to quad land. Nice choice with the JL112s but I had you pegged for another pair of JL113s.

I've been running dual 113s with dual Velo 18s for a while now and you can't beat the extra dynamics and headroom that the additional sub pair brings to the party.

Looking forward to your pics and impressions. Are you going to try and set up the JL112s in stereo or go with quad monos?

John,

In terms of articulation and precision, how does the 113 compare with DD-18?

John,

In terms of articulation and precision, how does the 113 compare with DD-18?

That's an open ended question that has evoked at least half a dozen long threads. One of the earliest and best comparisons was the one that RMK and Ransac did, in December 2006 as I recall, which was followed by many similar discussions throughout early 2007. I would suggest reading several of those threads. The comparison usually involved a long discussion about music vs. HT, output, linearity, distortion, ARO, built in SMS, servo control, size, WAF etc.

Anyway, after listening to both for over a year, I'd still say they compare so closely to one another in terms of articulation and precision at normal listening levels that I have no clear favourite. Looking at graphs many would tempted to give the edge to the FL113 for HT applications because of its significantly greater output in the infrasonic. However that output comes with far higher distortion below 25hz compared to the servo controlled DD-18. Similarly its been suggested that the incredibly low THD of the DD-18 gives it an edge in precision, however the difference in THD which is mainly second order is not audible. Once the rooms transfer function is factored in, and equalized for using the ARO or built in SMS, it again becomes a toss-up except in intense movie scenes. But then again those scenes are not about articulation or precision.

Bottom line for me is they are both excellent highly articulate subs and too close to call. Because the compliment each other well either one would be a terrific addition to anyone owning the other.

What he said:p;)

The DD-18 though a much older design, doesn't give up anything in terms of articulation of bass notes to any sub I have heard. Also, I believe that due to the driver size, the DD-18 has a little something extra in the tank for the 40-50Hz impact bass in movies. On the other hand, the Fathom(s) have amazingly powerful and clean output for their size. When you have multiples of subs, size will be a factor in most rooms.

John's combo of dual 18" Velos and dual F113's is the best of both worlds IMO.

That's an open ended question that has evoked at least half a dozen long threads. One of the earliest and best comparisons was the one that RMK and Ransac did, in December 2006 as I recall, which was followed by many similar discussions throughout early 2007. I would suggest reading several of those threads. The comparison usually involved a long discussion about music vs. HT, output, linearity, distortion, ARO, built in SMS, servo control, size, WAF etc.

Anyway, after listening to both for over a year, I'd still say they compare so closely to one another in terms of articulation and precision at normal listening levels that I have no clear favourite. Looking at graphs many would tempted to give the edge to the FL113 for HT applications because of its significantly greater output in the infrasonic. However that output comes with far higher distortion below 25hz compared to the servo controlled DD-18. Similarly its been suggested that the incredibly low THD of the DD-18 gives it an edge in precision, however the difference in THD which is mainly second order is not audible. Once the rooms transfer function is factored in, and equalized for using the ARO or built in SMS, it again becomes a toss-up except in intense movie scenes. But then again those scenes are not about articulation or precision.

Bottom line for me is they are both excellent highly articulate subs and too close to call. Because the compliment each other well either one would be a terrific addition to anyone owning the other.

Thanks for the feedback, John, RMK.

If the 113 is comparable to DD-18, which DD would the 112 be comparable to?
How might the 112 stack up against the Velo SPL series? Again, which one?

Thanks.

Thanks for the feedback, John, RMK.

If the 113 is comparable to DD-18, which DD would the 112 be comparable to?
How might the 112 stack up against the Velo SPL series? Again, which one?

Thanks.

I haven't heard the other DD subs but I can say that in by brief expierence with them, the F112 and F113 are very close performance wise. If I were to venture a guess, I'd say the DD15 would be comparable to the F112.

My first sub was a Velo SPL 1200 and although it was a nice little sub, it's not in the Velo DD nor Fathoms class.

Agree with Rob. :) Judging by the specs the DD-15/FL112 should be close sonically to the larger models in the product line. I've heard the DD-15 but not the FL112.

Any news on the f212?

What I would really like to hear is a JL tower with a 12" woofer, a couple of mid drivers and a smooth tweeter. It seems like a next logical step. Oh yeah, in tiger ebony.:D

Paul

Well they should have some bookshelf sized speakers coming out pretty soon I hope. They are being very tight-lipped about it.

Where's the best place and PRICE to buy the f112? Please PM me with some prices.

Thanks!! John

Found out what I needed. Thanks guys.

The "Twins" are on the way!!! Feels like Christmas :D

The "Twins" are on the way!!! Feels like Christmas :D

Very nice, be sure to report back with your impressions.:cool:

The "Twins" are on the way!!! Feels like Christmas :D
Yes, please report back your impressions.

:)

If anyone, and I repeat ANYONE! is thinking about getting the JL sub,
GET IT!!!
All I did is unpack, place, and enjoy!:D
I will do the set-up latter but had to listen to them now and I tell you if they get any better than this, I'M NOT LEAVING HOME! :eek:

I haven't heard the other DD subs but I can say that in by brief expierence with them, the F112 and F113 are very close performance wise. If I were to venture a guess, I'd say the DD15 would be comparable to the F112.

My first sub was a Velo SPL 1200 and although it was a nice little sub, it's not in the Velo DD nor Fathoms class.

Hey RMK, so if someone walked into your home, took your F113s and replaced them with F112s, how long would it take you to notice the difference? :)

Hey RMK, so if someone walked into your home, took your F113s and replaced them with F112s, how long would it take you to notice the difference? :)

The first thing I did after reading your post was to make sure the F113's were still there:eek: Now that I am reassured ... It's hard to say but my guess is that the difference would be subtle and I'm not sure I'd notice.

The first thing I did after reading your post was to make sure the F113's were still there:eek:

:D

LOL!!!

Hi all unfortunatley due to shipping problems in America(The weather) I was told, there is going to be a much longer wait for the pair of 113's. So I decided to get a pair of 112's. Is there a major difference betwen the two or will the pair of 112's will be satisfactory for my room. The room size is 4m x 5m.
Thankyou

no one... anyone..? Just want to get an idea

Frank - from everything that I have read on the f112 (I have an f113) then 2 would be fantastic in your room - Manville from JL Audio has 2 f112s in his system and I think that should give you confidence in your decision.

Frank - from everything that I have read on the f112 (I have an f113) then 2 would be fantastic in your room - Manville from JL Audio has 2 f112s in his system and I think that should give you confidence in your decision.

Thanks mate, I was a bit worried. Certainly gives me great confidence in my decision, very much appreciated.:)

Frank - I'm running two F112's in my system with Revel speakers and am VERY happy. It's a fairly large room also with openings to adjacent spaces. I previously used one Velodyne DD-15. A single F112 has comparable output to the DD-15. I'm really enjoying the stereo subs on music, and the JL's integrate beautifully with my Revels. I opted for the 112's over the 113's due to their smaller size and the placement flexibility it afforded me. I am confident you'll be very pleased with your pair of F112's!

Tom

Frank - I'm running two F112's in my system with Revel speakers and am VERY happy. It's a fairly large room also with openings to adjacent spaces. I previously used one Velodyne DD-15. A single F112 has comparable output to the DD-15. I'm really enjoying the stereo subs on music, and the JL's integrate beautifully with my Revels. I opted for the 112's over the 113's due to their smaller size and the placement flexibility it afforded me. I am confident you'll be very pleased with your pair of F112's!

Tom
thankyou Tom its exactly what I wanted to hear. You've just made my day.

thankyou Tom its exactly what I wanted to hear. You've just made my day.

Sorry Frank, I haven't been around for a little while.

I've replied to your PM, but anyway, yes I've got two F112's. Room is almost complete, with just carpet to go. After that I finally get to put them in place and enjoy. With the size of your room, I think you'll be stoked when it all set up and running.

Cheers,

Chui

I haven't heard the other DD subs but I can say that in by brief expierence with them, the F112 and F113 are very close performance wise. If I were to venture a guess, I'd say the DD15 would be comparable to the F112.



That is good to know.:)

Sorry Frank, I haven't been around for a little while.

I've replied to your PM, but anyway, yes I've got two F112's. Room is almost complete, with just carpet to go. After that I finally get to put them in place and enjoy. With the size of your room, I think you'll be stoked when it all set up and running.

Cheers,

Chui

Chui from the last Pm I got from you the f112 are know back in the game again.Long story, but excited I will be getting my F112 by tuesday next week.

Someone just picked up an F112 for around $1600 on Ebay. Not bad. I almost bidded above but that's getting into used F113 territory. Anyone else know where to find a used F112?

audiogon

audiogon

Seems like they go fast on Audiogon and Videogon. There was one (F112) on Ebay that appeared to be a scam. The seller sent me an odd email with a combination of very bad english and a "buy it now outside of Ebay" scheme. I may just have to be obsessive and look a few times a day until I find one from a reputable seller.

Someone just picked up an F112 for around $1600 on Ebay. Not bad. I almost bidded above but that's getting into used F113 territory. Anyone else know where to find a used F112?


I just purchased a factory sealed F112 on Audiogon yesterday for $1625.
Seller had it listed for $1700 obo.
I was lucky enough to catch it the first day of posting and thought it was too good to pass up. Can't wait to get it!

I think I emailed him but it was gone (along witha n F113). They were listed on both Audiogon and Videogon. $1625 is a steal. I was considering a PB13 but the F112 and F113 are a bit more appealing to me.

I think I emailed him but it was gone (along witha n F113). They were listed on both Audiogon and Videogon. $1625 is a steal. I was considering a PB13 but the F112 and F113 are a bit more appealing to me.

That was a damn good price,:) lucky for the person who purchased them.

That was a damn good price,:) lucky for the person who purchased them.

The seller had no history though. I wouldn't buy something that expensive if the seller has no previous transactions.

I am so off of eBay. The last straw (there have been several disturbing incidents) was last week for an SMS-1. I won the auction and received an email from the seller (supposedly) requesting that I contact them as they had to “change their PayPal account” and as the new one would not be available for ten days and they would have an alternate account I could use to pay. Of course I was suspicious and I sent the email to EBay asking what to do. I received a stupid form response saying that the sellers are allowed to request any method of payment as long as it is specified in the auction. Essentially, they told me to go ahead not even checking the validity of the source email.

I then emailed the actual seller (I think) and asked him how to proceed with the purchase based upon his email to me. Two days later, he responded and said he had not sent me an email (big surprise) and asked for a copy of the one I received purportedly from him. I did this but I also backed out of this messed up transaction (I assume the seller is OK with this although he did not respond).

EBay is ripe with criminal activity and while purchasing commodities may be OK, buying something like high end AV equipment from private sellers is very risky. I have never had a real problem with Audiogon although I heard others have.

BTW, I purchased an SMS-1 advertised on AVS and will have it next week. I will have two SMS-1's for EQing my quad Fathoms. One of the main reasons I purchased another SMS-1 is so that I can auto power off the rear (near field) F113's when listening to music. This will also give me some flexibility in setting the front F112's (stereo or mono) as well as the afore mentioned EQ flexibility.

I am so off of eBay. The last straw (there have been several disturbing incidents) was last week for an SMS-1. I won the auction and received an email from the seller (supposedly) requesting that I contact them as they had to “change their PayPal account” and as the new one would not be available for ten days and they would have an alternate account I could use to pay. Of course I was suspicious and I sent the email to EBay asking what to do. I received a stupid form response saying that the sellers are allowed to request any method of payment as long as it is specified in the auction. Essentially, they told me to go ahead not even checking the validity of the source email.

I then emailed the actual seller (I think) and asked him how to proceed with the purchase based upon his email to me. Two days later, he responded and said he had not sent me an email (big surprise) and asked for a copy of the one I received purportedly from him. I did this but I also backed out of this messed up transaction (I assume the seller is OK with this although he did not respond).

EBay is ripe with criminal activity and while purchasing commodities may be OK, buying something like high end AV equipment from private sellers is very risky. I have never had a real problem with Audiogon although I heard others have.

BTW, I purchased an SMS-1 advertised on AVS and will have it next week. I will have two SMS-1's for EQing my quad Fathoms. One of the main reasons I purchased another SMS-1 is so that I can auto power off the rear (near field) F113's when listening to music. This will also give me some flexibility in setting the front F112's (stereo or mono) as well as the afore mentioned EQ flexibility.

I've never really bought from Ebay. For us guys (In Australia) it's cheaper to buy goods brand new in America than over here. Just as example a Philips Pronto costs $2500, were you guys are theryre $899.

Hopefully all good should be picking my two tomorrow

Hopefully all good should be picking my two tomorrow

Great stuff Frank,

My two should be operational by Saturday evening. No doubt we'll compare notes soon after :D

Great stuff Frank,

My two should be operational by Saturday evening. No doubt we'll compare notes soon after :D

Definitley will. just got home mate and have to say unbelievable packaging.You get gloves,a cover for the Subs good stuff JL. Glad I bought a mate though.:)

I didn't say it wasn't a good subwoofer, I just wouldn't buy it.

So.. if your not going to buy it, why post here? There is always one!

That was a damn good price,:) lucky for the person who purchased them.


I just received my F112 yesterday that I purchased from Audiogon.
It was brand new and factory sealed as advertised. Man was that box heavy!
I guess I don't have a warranty but for $1625 I can live without it. What a fantastic subwoofer! :)

Finally got it all setup and have to say unbelievable. I thought my focal subs were great but these Sub just destroy them. I do have( a few questions though, my ARO shows pretty high Volume on both. When I re-ran Audyssey after doing the ARO bot both I got -12db on Audyssey. I also got pretty high decibels on 2 spl meter that I have(one analog the other digital) are 85db-90db. Why is that? I just want to make sure everything is good.

Have to say though tested some movies last night and its the best they have sounded. For instance Transfomers BD version know it has an increase in Bass but I found the Bass to perfect. You know when there walking(Transformers) it seems right.

Finally got it all setup and have to say unbelievable. I thought my focal subs were great but these Sub just destroy them. I do have( a few questions though, my ARO shows pretty high Volume on both. When I re-ran Audyssey after doing the ARO bot both I got -12db on Audyssey. I also got pretty high decibels on 2 spl meter that I have(one analog the other digital) are 85db-90db. Why is that? I just want to make sure everything is good.

Have to say though tested some movies last night and its the best they have sounded. For instance Transfomers BD version know it has an increase in Bass but I found the Bass to perfect. You know when there walking(Transformers) it seems right.

Hey Frank,

Absolutely fantastic to hear you got your Fathom F112's. The setup procedure in the manual is pretty good from what I've read of it so perhaps you'll find something in there to address your high dB? I dare say you'll have to recalibrate which I'm sure you will!

My F113 is still sitting near my Computer Desk where I look longingly at it from time to time. I am progressing though because the house is now completely painted, the Kitchen has been gutted and replaced so now I can start making plans for getting the rest of the HT together.

At least the JVC 750 has made the wait for a Projector worthwhile (Tell me you're getting one Frank! :))

Well done again mate - let us know how you go after you have it all sorted in regards to positioning, settings etc

Cheers

Blade

Hey Frank,

Absolutely fantastic to hear you got your Fathom F112's. The setup procedure in the manual is pretty good from what I've read of it so perhaps you'll find something in there to address your high dB? I dare say you'll have to recalibrate which I'm sure you will!

My F113 is still sitting near my Computer Desk where I look longingly at it from time to time. I am progressing though because the house is now completely painted, the Kitchen has been gutted and replaced so now I can start making plans for getting the rest of the HT together.

At least the JVC 750 has made the wait for a Projector worthwhile (Tell me you're getting one Frank! :))

Well done again mate - let us know how you go after you have it all sorted in regards to positioning, settings etc

Cheers

Blade

Thanks Blade,
yeah one of the guys on the AVP told me on how to match level match them which is fantastic. Will keep you post though as your getting one I will let you know how it goes.

The JVC 750, I saw that, lucky I did not get the HD100.

Just curious on how many of you guys got your Fathoms at +3db/-3db or as close to 0db with your Audyssey? I got mine to +0.5db but the master volume is way down low.

I changed to a balance cable XLR, now I get a hum. Any ideas?

I changed to a balance cable XLR, now I get a hum. Any ideas?

Isn't there a ground switch on the fathoms? Have you tried changing the action on this?

Isn't there a ground switch on the fathoms? Have you tried changing the action on this?

Ive done that

Ive done that

Was the problem there when you used an RCA cable?

I know that balanced cables are supposed to have better noise rejection, especially for longer runs, but maybe there is something in your front end (AVR, pre/pro) and subwoofer on the balanced circuit that is not quite right.

Maybe your right. No hum on RCA. Miund you I have to put my ear to it. The other Fathom Subwoofer also connected via XLR does not hum. I disconnected the XLR on the subwoofer that made the hum, had no connections at all and still hummed.

Isn't there a ground switch on the fathoms? Have you tried changing the action on this?

The ground switch works great, but it only works with an RCA cable, not a balanced cable. Many people feel that the upgrade to a balanced cable for a sub is not a huge difference, if any.

Franin, if using an RCA with the ground switch eliminates your hum, I would probably go that route.

The ground switch works great, but it only works with an RCA cable, not a balanced cable. Many people feel that the upgrade to a balanced cable for a sub is not a huge difference, if any.

Franin, if using an RCA with the ground switch eliminates your hum, I would probably go that route.

Can the Hum cause problems for Sub? And why would threr be a hum?

Not to worry have to check on wht they call ground loop.

What EXACT cable are you using for the balanced interconnect?
i.e. is it an "audio" cable... "microphone" cable... brand, etc.

Barry

What EXACT cable are you using for the balanced interconnect?
i.e. is it an "audio" cable... "microphone" cable... brand, etc.

Barry

For the Power cable I use the one that is supplied with Fathom but use a low noise microphone cable. even when i take the microphone cable off and turn it on it still hums. The other one does not.That is hooked into subwoofer 2 also as an XLR. But when I had unbalanced cable it did not hum.

For the Power cable I use the one that is supplied with Fathom but use a low noise microphone cable. even when i take the microphone cable off and turn it on it still hums. The other one does not.That is hooked into subwoofer 2 also as an XLR. But when I had unbalanced cable it did not hum.

Hey Frank,

Have a look at the following thread which might assist you (HUM solutions):

http://www.av123forum.com/showthread.php?t=33239

Cheers

Blade

Hey Frank,

Have a look at the following thread which might assist you (HUM solutions):

http://www.av123forum.com/showthread.php?t=33239

Cheers

Blade

Thanks mate:)

For the Power cable I use the one that is supplied with Fathom but use a low noise microphone cable. even when i take the microphone cable off and turn it on it still hums. The other one does not.That is hooked into subwoofer 2 also as an XLR. But when I had unbalanced cable it did not hum.

What Barry (Soundoctor) is driving at is:
Cables sold as "Mic cables" often have a jumper between the shell (Pin 0) and Pin 1... typically on the female end of the cable. This jumper, if present, needs to be removed for an audio interconnect application to prevent hum.

Barry, if I missed anything, please expand on this. And, if you have a photo of said jumper handy, that would be great.

What Barry (Soundoctor) is driving at is:
Cables sold as "Mic cables" often have a jumper between the shell (Pin 0) and Pin 1... typically on the female end of the cable. This jumper, if present, needs to be removed for an audio interconnect application to prevent hum.

Barry, if I missed anything, please expand on this. And, if you have a photo of said jumper handy, that would be great.

But why would it hum without it being plugged in?

But why would it hum without it being plugged in?

Something else plugged into your electrical system maybe causing that situation. Try getting a cheater plug to see if that eliminates the problem, then you know that there is a contributing factor that needs to be addressed in your House Wiring.

I am in no way advocating the use of a Cheater plug (3 prong to 2 prong), but only to eliminate the source of a possible grounding issue. Where by you need to track down whether it be a Cable tv grounding hum issue or what not...

But why would it hum without it being plugged in?

This short article by Carl Kennedy might help you troubleshoot the problem:

http://theprofessionalanswer.com/WordPress/?p=102

This short article by Carl Kennedy might help you troubleshoot the problem:

http://theprofessionalanswer.com/WordPress/?p=102

Thanks for that.

Dude down under,

If you are on cable (hey I don't know if there is Comcast in Australia) or a dish just unplug the incoming cable (RG6) from that STB.

Most hums come from cable or dish STBs.

Dude down under,

If you are on cable (hey I don't know if there is Comcast in Australia) or a dish just unplug the incoming cable (RG6) from that STB.

Most hums come from cable or dish STBs.

My bad (I did not finish)...

If this is the source of the hum you can buy a "grounding block" where the cable enters your home and ground it say your panel box buss ground.

Now you can still watch tv:)

My bad (I did not finish)...

If this is the source of the hum you can buy a "grounding block" where the cable enters your home and ground it say your panel box buss ground.

Now you can still watch tv:)

The room is mainly for Movies, dont watch TV in that room.Changed XLR cable still hum but very low, not bothering learnt to live with it.My UPS fan makes more noise. thanks mate!

Had my two fathoms calibrated by a sound engineer,phase,pos etc etc actually the company he works for distrubutes the Fathoms. I have to say guys these are the best sub I have heard for a long time. Well done JL audio

Had my two fathoms calibrated by a sound engineer,phase,pos etc etc actually the company he works for distrubutes the Fathoms. I have to say guys these are the best sub I have heard for a long time. Well done JL audio

Nice one Frank.

Have to agree about the quality of the sound. I'm rapt, and I haven't even begun to tweak.

Had my two fathoms calibrated by a sound engineer,phase,pos etc etc actually the company he works for distrubutes the Fathoms. I have to say guys these are the best sub I have heard for a long time. Well done JL audio

Glad you addressed the Hum to your satisfaction. I bet the Fathoms sound fantastic!

Once my HT is in I'll be getting it HAA calibrated top to bottom - I just hope I don't get the urge to get a second F113. But then it wouldn't take much!

Cheers

Blade

Glad you addressed the Hum to your satisfaction. I bet the Fathoms sound fantastic!

Once my HT is in I'll be getting it HAA calibrated top to bottom - I just hope I don't get the urge to get a second F113. But then it wouldn't take much!

Cheers

Blade

:D

Hanging around here is dangerous that way. It's safer over at DTV Blade - not many with multiple subs.

Glad you addressed the Hum to your satisfaction. I bet the Fathoms sound fantastic!

Once my HT is in I'll be getting it HAA calibrated top to bottom - I just hope I don't get the urge to get a second F113. But then it wouldn't take much!

Cheers

Blade

mate they are amazing Subs, if Calibrated correctly you will be most pleased.The Focal Subs don't hold a candle to these subs.

:D

Hanging around here is dangerous that way. It's safer over at DTV Blade - not many with multiple subs.

I don't post on DTV Forum anymore due to the IQ Level not the dB Level :p

i don't post on dtv forum anymore due to the iq level not the db level :p

lol

How many people use a Velo SMS-1 for Dual Subs? How well does it work?

How many people use a Velo SMS-1 for Dual Subs? How well does it work?

anybody....

I have 4 subs and 2 SMS-1's. The SMS is the best buy in audio. You can find them used on Audiogon for about $425 (or less).

With all of the adjustments (phase, frequency, etc), you can really dial in the sound. Highly recommended.

I have 4 subs and 2 SMS-1's. The SMS is the best buy in audio. You can find them used on Audiogon for about $425 (or less).

With all of the adjustments (phase, frequency, etc), you can really dial in the sound. Highly recommended.

I have 2 Fathoms how do I connect and set them individually?

Assuming a single SMS? I assume the subs have separate phase control knobs?

If so, set the phase of each sub so it is in phase with the mains at the crossover. To do this, you can use the sms thru just one sub (set up the sms per the instructions) and adjust the phase knob on the sub until you get the smoothest response at the crossover. Then turn off the sub you have been using and do the same to the other sub. Now that both subs are in phase with the mains, connect them both to the sms. If you require balanced interconnects to both subs, you will need to purchase a balanced splitter cable (try blue jeans cable). If you do not require balanced interconnects, there are 3 sub outputs on the sms. Then start diddling with the parametric EQ until you get a reasonably flat response. Take your time and experiment. You can download a nice instruction manual on the sms from outlaw audio.

When you are complete, you will be very pleased.

Have fun!!

Assuming a single SMS? I assume the subs have separate phase control knobs?

If so, set the phase of each sub so it is in phase with the mains at the crossover. To do this, you can use the sms thru just one sub (set up the sms per the instructions) and adjust the phase knob on the sub until you get the smoothest response at the crossover. Then turn off the sub you have been using and do the same to the other sub. Now that both subs are in phase with the mains, connect them both to the sms. If you require balanced interconnects to both subs, you will need to purchase a balanced splitter cable (try blue jeans cable). If you do not require balanced interconnects, there are 3 sub outputs on the sms. Then start diddling with the parametric EQ until you get a reasonably flat response. Take your time and experiment. You can download a nice instruction manual on the sms from outlaw audio.

When you are complete, you will be very pleased.

Have fun!!

Thanks for that,:) my Phase has been set by a Sound Engineer from JL Audio Distrubutor over here where I live. But I guess like you guys I like to tweak. perfection is a must.:)

I have 4 subs and 2 SMS-1's. The SMS is the best buy in audio. You can find them used on Audiogon for about $425 (or less).

With all of the adjustments (phase, frequency, etc), you can really dial in the sound. Highly recommended.

that's cool. i've been waiting to hear from people using more than one sms-1 in their system

what subs are you using and how do you have them set-up and placed ?

Just ordered mine will it be best to run one master and the other Slave? I can get a 1 to 2 Blanaced interconnector and have them both run as master.

that's cool. i've been waiting to hear from people using more than one sms-1 in their system

what subs are you using and how do you have them set-up and placed ?

The front two subs are next to my mains and the rear two are in the rear corners. All subs are SVS. The front two are ported box subs with dual 12 inch drivers and the rears are cylinders with a 13 inch driver (selected for sound quality reputation and the small footprint). The rear subs have a single band PEQ which I am using to bring down one large bump (the SMS graphic presentation of FR allowed me to do that very accurately). The rear subs are on one SMS and the front subs are on the other. I set them up per my discussion above and while they (and the SMS) has a master/slave mode, I did not use that approach.

Is there anybody that can tell me if this is an internal problem? Is there like a delay for them to work? The manual does not really tell you much

Your problem may be as simple as a blown fuse internally in the subs. Are you sure the power conditioner and/or surge suppressor are not the problem? Have you tried plugging the subs directly into a wall outlet that is on a different circuit than the one the power conditioner/surge suppressor is on.

Did you have both subs on the same power conditioner and surge suppressor? I would recommend separate circuits for each sub in the future. Two 2,500 watt (peak) amplifiers on the same circuit could easily overload the circuit/power conditioner/surge suppressor. I have 4 separate 20 amp circuits for my HT; one for the pre/pro and sources, one for the main power amp and one for each F112.

Craig

Your problem may be as simple as a blown fuse internally in the subs. Are you sure the power conditioner and/or surge suppressor are not the problem? Have you tried plugging the subs directly into a wall outlet that is on a different circuit than the one the power conditioner/surge suppressor is on.

Did you have both subs on the same power conditioner and surge suppressor? I would recommend separate circuits for each sub in the future. Two 2,500 watt (peak) amplifiers on the same circuit could easily overload the circuit/power conditioner/surge suppressor. I have 4 separate 20 amp circuits for my HT; one for the pre/pro and sources, one for the main power amp and one for each F112.

Craig

Looks like blown fuse could be the case. Im going to get an online UPS for them after they get fixed. I thought there was something could be done but looks like I will have to wait till tomorrow. Thanks anyway.

it was a blown fuse on both.

it was a blown fuse on both.

Sorry to read about your woes Frank. The exact same thing happened to Simon when he was one of the first to purchase the Whise Profunder Subwoofer. The fuses were blowing left right and center. We put in a slow burn 8 amp fuse (Up from 6.2) and the problem went away. As somebody suggested here 6.2 is fine for 220watts but anything over that things change very quickly especially if the subwoofer receives large fluctuations in power (Which in your case is odd because you have them running through the Thor Power Conditioner right?).

I hope I don't have the same issue with the f113 when I get around to hooking it up but at least I'll know what it is if it does happen.

Glad you rectified the issue though mate!

Cheers

Blade

Sorry to read about your woes Frank. The exact same thing happened to Simon when he was one of the first to purchase the Whise Profunder Subwoofer. The fuses were blowing left right and center. We put in a slow burn 8 amp fuse (Up from 6.2) and the problem went away. As somebody suggested here 6.2 is fine for 220watts but anything over that things change very quickly especially if the subwoofer receives large fluctuations in power (Which in your case is odd because you have them running through the Thor Power Conditioner right?).

I hope I don't have the same issue with the f113 when I get around to hooking it up but at least I'll know what it is if it does happen.

Glad you rectified the issue though mate!

Cheers

Blade


Blade im getting rid of my Thor for a Furman. have PM you to explain why.

Frank good to hear that you got the Sub's sorted, Would you mined sharing with me why you are getting rid of your Thor, besides being limited to 2400w ?....The furman is rated at A high current of 16 AMP'S......

Blade im getting rid of my Thor for a Furman
Just one?

Frank good to hear that you got the Sub's sorted, Would you mined sharing with me why you are getting rid of your Thor, besides being limited to 2400w ?....The furman is rated at A high current of 16 AMP'S......

The Thor can't handle 2 Fathoms. Not even one from what I've been told by the guys from the Distributors of JL audio. From what I've been told the fathoms draw very high current and just one can draw more than the Thor limit. I've originally had them plugged into the Thor and it could not cope, hence the reasons why my fuses blew.The furman is a serious power conditioner from what I've been told by some of the members on this forum. I can have all my gear plugged into it and it wont break a sweat. Im also getting a dedicated 32A line put in with a commercial plate. I've seen it done in one of the HT Stores(This store handles the best gear) and under there guidance im getting this done.The Owner actually put me onto the Furman which then made me ask the question in some of the other threads, guys that have similar equipment or even better than mine. Actually there are some guys who have done the same also.

Just one?

yes just one mind you I've been told to add IT Refernece 16EI and use them together. Some members have two together.

Yes Frank, the best you can do is have A dedicated line for your gear, I also went as far as instaling A hole house course over voltage arrester, and 2 mains filters for fine protection for my gear also A lightning current arrester and decoupling element so I dont have to get the miss'rs to unplug my gear if I am not home.. All so you should not overlook your earthing... I put in A 3mt long, inch OD earth rod (not the toy that houses have) and super heavy Gage wire from the fuse box to the E rod. also 10kva transformer's on my dedicated lines :eek:

Cheers.....

Yes Frank, the best you can do is have A dedicated line for your gear, I also went as far as instaling A hole house course over voltage arrester, and 2 mains filters for fine protection for my gear also A lightning current arrester and decoupling element so I dont have to get the miss'rs to unplug my gear if I am not home.. All so you should not overlook your earthing... I put in A 3mt long, inch OD earth rod (not the toy that houses have) and super heavy Gage wire from the fuse box to the E rod. also 10kva transformer's on my dedicated lines :eek:

Cheers.....

Mate thats awesome thats what I call protection.:)

Another great film that give the subs a great work out is War of the Worlds.Great film too.

Yes Frank, the best you can do is have A dedicated line for your gear, I also went as far as instaling A hole house course over voltage arrester, and 2 mains filters for fine protection for my gear also A lightning current arrester and decoupling element so I dont have to get the miss'rs to unplug my gear if I am not home.. All so you should not overlook your earthing... I put in A 3mt long, inch OD earth rod (not the toy that houses have) and super heavy Gage wire from the fuse box to the E rod. also 10kva transformer's on my dedicated lines :eek:

Cheers.....

Got a 32A dedicated line with a commercial plug installed. The subs are connected to A furman SPR-16Ei. I was told to get the refrence one also but will see how this goes for know.

Got a 32A dedicated line with a commercial plug installed. The subs are connected to A furman SPR-16Ei. I was told to get the refrence one also but will see how this goes for know.Good to here you have A dedicated line Franin, Way to go mate...
I think A 32A dedicated line should be anough :eek: to let those huge beautiful beastly dual Fathoms breath :D ....

I just love the look of the Fathom subs with there High gloss Black finnish .....

How do you like the Furman SPR-16Ei compared to the THOR ???

Cheers....

Good to here you have A dedicated line Franin, Way to go mate...
I think A 32A dedicated line should be anough :eek: to let those huge beautiful beastly dual Fathoms breath :D ....

I just love the look of the Fathom subs with there High gloss Black finnish .....

How do you like the Furman SPR-16Ei compared to the THOR ???

Cheers....

Hi cinema mad,

Ever since i've done the 32A, your right there is plenty of room for the power amp and the 2 Fathoms to breath. It sounds fantastic. The Furman eats the thor alive it just does it's job really well. You increase the volumes at high level and the Furman dosen't even flinch.Best thing i've done to my HT, no regrets at all there.

Hi everyone,

Would like to hear your opinions on this idea I've been toying.

I currently own the f113 and love it! Especially for movies.

But when it comes to music, I feel that I am lacking some of that upper mid bass everyone talks about when raving the f112.

If I was to introduce another sub to my setup, would it make more sense to get another f113 or F112?

Thanks for taking the time to read my post and I hope to hear your
opinions soon.

It's an interesting thought, but before you go that route, let get a few more facts:

1. What speakers are you using?

2. Are you using Bass Management?

3. If so, how did you set it up and calibrate the system?

4. Where is the F113 situated in your room, and how did you decide on this location?

5. Do you have any measurement/EQ capability?

Obviously the "point" of all these questions is to ensure that you've optimized the F113.

Craig

Just put in an order for the f112. My room is 18x13 so I think the f113 would be too much sub. Will be replacing a velodyne hgs-12II, can't wait.

Are you guys using an after market pc with yours? Am currently using Virtual Dynamics with my velo but f112 manual says not to use any other pc besides theirs.

Just put in an order for the f112. My room is 18x13 so I think the f113 would be too much sub.
I've never heard of such a concept, how you say..."too much sub" :D

My room is 17 x 15 and I have the f113, it's unfreakinbelievably good. So good that I've considered getting another one just to make it egregious.

I've never heard of such a concept, how you say..."too much sub" :D

My room is 17 x 15 and I have the f113, it's unfreakinbelievably good. So good that I've considered getting another one just to make it egregious.

Apartment living in NYC. Believe me, if I could I'd have 2. As is, I barely get to watch my HT around the -10 levels.
I went from the Velo HGS15 to the HGS12 because of this reason and was never really happy about it.
Hopefully I'll have the sub by this weekend. Any thoughts on break-in?

Apartment living in NYC. Believe me, if I could I'd have 2. As is, I barely get to watch my HT around the -10 levels.
I went from the Velo HGS15 to the HGS12 because of this reason and was never really happy about it.
Hopefully I'll have the sub by this weekend. Any thoughts on break-in?

Congratulations on your upcoming f112 you will be pleased. By having two in your room the advantages are if setup correctly the other listening pos will also be able to benefit in good bass response as what the listening pos experinces.

Guys,

I am looking to get a Fathom 112/113. Just curious where is the best place (price wise) to buy them. I am looking for an authorized dealer.

I am in socal.

Pm me if you don't want to post prices here.

TIA,
tony

Guys,

I am looking to get a Fathom 112/113. Just curious where is the best place (price wise) to buy them. I am looking for an authorized dealer.

I am in socal.

Pm me if you don't want to post prices here.

TIA,
tony

PM Sent.. I just bought 2 F112's this weekend for a healthy discount. =0

Hi cinema mad,

Ever since i've done the 32A, your right there is plenty of room for the power amp and the 2 Fathoms to breath. It sounds fantastic. The Furman eats the thor alive it just does it's job really well. You increase the volumes at high level and the Furman dosen't even flinch.Best thing i've done to my HT, no regrets at all there.

Would it be safe to say that the Furman SPR-20i is the US Version of the SPR-16Ei?

Whats a better choice for use with our subs, a Furman IT-Reference 15i or SPR-20i? Their is an obvious price difference but just wondering if one would be specifically better for two F112's.

Just thought I would stop in here, every time I see this thread pop up, It brings me a very good feeling inside because it makes me to think about how much joy this little bundle gives me every single day of my life.

The SQ is as remarkable as the output for my small room, it has me truly appreciate the crystal clear and potent nature, but the upper bass it has to offer. I have found that its a very important part of what I love in a sub, it just makes every little nuance of music and movies stand out.

I have been measuring every sub I have bought and been building by it.

Does anyone know if the current F112's are using the updated drivers from the latest F212?

If not, is this a possibility in the future?

Does anyone know if the current F112's are using the updated drivers from the latest F212?

If not, is this a possibility in the future?


Yes.... They are....

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1081397

Would it be safe to say that the Furman SPR-20i is the US Version of the SPR-16Ei?

Whats a better choice for use with our subs, a Furman IT-Reference 15i or SPR-20i? Their is an obvious price difference but just wondering if one would be specifically better for two F112's.

Yes I think it is. Have already has some funny power issues at home and the Furman did it's job, protecting the equipment. But not only that, the Furman able to handle 2 Fathoms and a Denon POA Power Amp at reference, not bad at all.:)

Yes.... They are....

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1081397

I think you misinterpreted my question, but no where in that thread does anyone state that the current F112 drivers have been updated. Though, I may have missed it, can you point it out?

I didn't misinterpret your question.....

I apologize, I sent you to the wrong thread....
Check post 8 from Manville Smith (JL)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1030119&highlight=f212

The search function is excellent on this forum, I did an advanced search for f212 in titles alone and came up with that info....

Warp

Just thought I would stop in here, every time I see this thread pop up, It brings me a very good feeling inside because it makes me to think about how much joy this little bundle gives me every single day of my life.

The SQ is as remarkable as the output for my small room, it has me truly appreciate the crystal clear and potent nature, but the upper bass it has to offer. I have found that its a very important part of what I love in a sub, it just makes every little nuance of music and movies stand out.

I have been measuring every sub I have bought and been building by it.

Well put Warp. I am kicking myself for not keeping one of my F112's for my family room system. I have a nice little Monitor Audio sub there but it is not an F112.

Finally.....after a month of waiting, my F112 arrived today. I'm sure it's been mentioned before but I'm going to say it again. Everything about this sub is first class. Really impressed about the packing, gloves, suede bag and so on.
Setup is a breeze and I'm sure y'all know how it performs. Really sweet! It replaced a Velo HGS12II, which was no slouch, but this sub is in a different class.
Was planning on using only with HT but now I think I might have to at least try it with music.

Just thought I would stop in here, every time I see this thread pop up, It brings me a very good feeling inside because it makes me to think about how much joy this little bundle gives me every single day of my life.

The SQ is as remarkable as the output for my small room, it has me truly appreciate the crystal clear and potent nature, but the upper bass it has to offer. I have found that its a very important part of what I love in a sub, it just makes every little nuance of music and movies stand out.

I have been measuring every sub I have bought and been building by it.

I think you've become jaded Mr. "I have a half-dozen 18" drivers in my living room". :D

The F112 is not just great sub for a "bedroom". I have a single F112 in my 19 x 13 x 10 living room and it gave me a pounding while watching Alien vs. Predator: Requiem last night. Certainly a more visceral experience than with my previous Velo DD15. The LFE in that movie scared the crap out of my wife. :rolleyes:

I'm pretty sure that F112 is coasting in your bedroom. Now be a good boy and let it out to play every once in a while. :)

Finally.....after a month of waiting, my F112 arrived today. I'm sure it's been mentioned before but I'm going to say it again. Everything about this sub is first class. Really impressed about the packing, gloves, suede bag and so on.
Setup is a breeze and I'm sure y'all know how it performs. Really sweet! It replaced a Velo HGS12II, which was no slouch, but this sub is in a different class.
Was planning on using only with HT but now I think I might have to at least try it with music.

Congratulations Jose. I'm glad you enjoy them as much as we all do:)

I think you've become jaded Mr. "I have a half-dozen 18" drivers in my living room". :D

The F112 is not just great sub for a "bedroom". I have a single F112 in my 19 x 13 x 10 living room and it gave me a pounding while watching Alien vs. Predator: Requiem last night. Certainly a more visceral experience than with my previous Velo DD15. The LFE in that movie scared the crap out of my wife. :rolleyes:

I'm pretty sure that F112 is coasting in your bedroom. Now be a good boy and let it out to play every once in a while. :)



HAHAHHAHAH thats funny.... I'll be implementing my last 18" driver today or tomorrow, just waiting on one more speakon connector. If that room wasn't so stupid large..... :rolleyes:

I love my bass and running that F112 hot in that little room is so visceral, makes laying in bed watching a movie pretty damn fun....
no to` mention the naughty times... :D


Finally.....after a month of waiting, my F112 arrived today. I'm sure it's been mentioned before but I'm going to say it again. Everything about this sub is first class. Really impressed about the packing, gloves, suede bag and so on.
Setup is a breeze and I'm sure y'all know how it performs. Really sweet! It replaced a Velo HGS12II, which was no slouch, but this sub is in a different class.
Was planning on using only with HT but now I think I might have to at least try it with music.

Congrats Jose.... Looks like a nice system you got running there with the Dali's... Now get in line for a second one.... :)

I didn't misinterpret your question.....

I apologize, I sent you to the wrong thread....
Check post 8 from Manville Smith (JL)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1030119&highlight=f212

The search function is excellent on this forum, I did an advanced search for f212 in titles alone and came up with that info....

Warp

I really don' think you understand. The question was *Are the F112 drivers being updated to the ones from the F212, and there is no reference to that in post #8.

But i read further and msmith_JL has confirmed that they are not the same but the possibility is there in future.

msmith_JL
"There are no immediate plans to update the f112 with the f212's driver. We will probably not update f112 and f113 for at least another year."

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=14593713&postcount=88

Congrats Jose.... Looks like a nice system you got running there with the Dali's... Now get in line for a second one.... :)

Thanks, they do sound very nice. I have no room for a second one without compromising A LOT. The right/opposite side is a hallway and an open area to the dining area. Apartment living in NYC.

BTW, anyone have their fathoms on spikes?

I really don' think you understand. The question was *Are the F112 drivers being updated to the ones from the F212, and there is no reference to that in post #8.

But i read further and msmith_JL has confirmed that they are not the same but the possibility is there in future.

msmith_JL
"There are no immediate plans to update the f112 with the f212's driver. We will probably not update f112 and f113 for at least another year."

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=14593713&postcount=88


Wel for cryin out loud, you are right.... I didn't understand.... sorry you obviously have to spell it out for me like a 2 year old... DOH hehehhehe

I'm glad you found the answer you were looking for though... At any rate, I'll tell you - If you put one or a couple of the F112's in your medium or small room, they will still truly knock your socks off. :)

I think you've become jaded Mr. "I have a half-dozen 18" drivers in my living room". :D

The F112 is not just great sub for a "bedroom". I have a single F112 in my 19 x 13 x 10 living room and it gave me a pounding while watching Alien vs. Predator: Requiem last night. Certainly a more visceral experience than with my previous Velo DD15. The LFE in that movie scared the crap out of my wife. :rolleyes:

I'm pretty sure that F112 is coasting in your bedroom. Now be a good boy and let it out to play every once in a while. :)

Hehehhe Today was a sad day, I had the day off and finished the box for my last 18" driver, and after installing found it to be a bad driver... I should have bench tested it... I'd probably have a replacement already.... grrrrr Now I have to wait another week...

So sad...

At least I still have a grin on my face from the F112... :D

Thanks, they do sound very nice. I have no room for a second one without compromising A LOT. The right/opposite side is a hallway and an open area to the dining area. Apartment living in NYC.

BTW, anyone have their fathoms on spikes?


I beg to differ.... you can always STACK 'em.... !!!!!! ;)

:D

Hehehhe Today was a sad day, I had the day off and finished the box for my last 18" driver, and after installing found it to be a bad driver... I should have bench tested it... I'd probably have a replacement already.... grrrrr Now I have to wait another week...

So sad...

At least I still have a grin on my face from the F112... :D


:D

Too bad, now you only have five 18" drivers to massage the paint off your walls. What ever will you do. :p

Seriously. The waiting sucks, but at least it's covered under warranty. :)

I beg to differ.... you can always STACK 'em.... !!!!!! ;)

:D

That's true. I can then have my own version: Fathom F312!:D

Wel for cryin out loud, you are right.... I didn't understand.... sorry you obviously have to spell it out for me like a 2 year old... DOH hehehhehe

I'm glad you found the answer you were looking for though... At any rate, I'll tell you - If you put one or a couple of the F112's in your medium or small room, they will still truly knock your socks off. :)


No worries, it's all good! At least you got me a link to that new F212 and that got me thinking!! lol

:)

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j193/ptwalker/JLF112002.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j193/ptwalker/JLF112003.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j193/ptwalker/IMG_1083.jpg

Lookin good with the WB's there Tim... You got a damn nice first rate system there !!

Would anybody buy a brand new JL 112 for $1500 without warranty. A guy locally tells me he has one in a unopened box (he bought it from JL working at an Audio shop for a great deal) :).

I have bought stuff from ebay, but not this much without warranty. Just curious..

I have the itch to upgrade. Currently using a HSU HO..

tnt

Would anybody buy a brand new JL 112 for $1500 without warranty. A guy locally tells me he has one in a unopened box (he bought it from JL working at an Audio shop for a great deal) :).

I have bought stuff from ebay, but not this much without warranty. Just curious..

I have the itch to upgrade. Currently using a HSU HO..

tnt

That is a very good price for a new F112

Would anybody buy a brand new JL 112 for $1500 without warranty. A guy locally tells me he has one in a unopened box (he bought it from JL working at an Audio shop for a great deal) :).

I have bought stuff from ebay, but not this much without warranty. Just curious..

I have the itch to upgrade. Currently using a HSU HO..

tnt
That is a great price. It won't reach as low as the Hsu, and not have the output(if you need it), but it will have better sound quality IMO. Much smaller and looks a lot nicer too.

The no warranty would definitely be a concern though.

That is a great price. It won't reach as low as the Hsu, and not have the output(if you need it), but it will have better sound quality IMO. Much smaller and looks a lot nicer too.

The no warranty would definitely be a concern though.


Thinking really hard. I like to reduce the footprint though.

I do 50/50 (music/ht).

tnt

Thinking really hard. I like to reduce the footprint though.

I do 50/50 (music/ht).

tnt
Of all the subs I have experienced, looking at the aspects of appearance and performance.....it is my favorite. There are others have are possibly as good performance wise and less expensive, but don't have nearly as nice packaging.

One of the best Subs you can get, and for that price, I think its a bargain. I would suggest that you are allowed to verify that it is in working order, but I highly doubt JL would put a sub out of their doors in non working order. But with no warranty I would certainly make sure.

There should be no reason if he is local for him open the box for you....

One of the best Subs you can get, and for that price, I think its a bargain. I would suggest that you are allowed to verify that it is in working order, but I highly doubt JL would put a sub out of their doors in non working order. But with no warranty I would certainly make sure.

There should be no reason if he is local for him open the box for you....

Good advice.


Tnt

Would anybody buy a brand new JL 112 for $1500 without warranty. A guy locally tells me he has one in a unopened box (he bought it from JL working at an Audio shop for a great deal) :).

I have bought stuff from ebay, but not this much without warranty. Just curious..

I have the itch to upgrade. Currently using a HSU HO..

tnt

Just be able to verify that the official JL audio taped seal is on the box. If it's broken at all the box has been opened. He personally bought it from JL audio or the shop he works at bought it? Does JL wholesale to non authorized dealers? He wasn't selling out it of the back of a van was he?:D

Just be able to verify that the official JL audio taped seal is on the box. If it's broken at all the box has been opened. He personally bought it from JL audio or the shop he works at bought it? Does JL wholesale to non authorized dealers? He wasn't selling out it of the back of a van was he?:D

I was told he bought it from (through) his shop and had to hold it for a period of time before he could sell them.

The van is a probable too :).


Is it very easy to verify if the sub is functional? Just hook up the rca cable via lfe ?? Anything I should know ahead to verify.

Tnt

I was told he bought it from (through) his shop and had to hold it for a period of time before he could sell them.

The van is a probable too :).


Is it very easy to verify if the sub is functional? Just hook up the rca cable via lfe ?? Anything I should know ahead to verify.

Tnt

There is a member here who is an employee with jl audio IMHO you should PM him he will be the best person to verify it.

What cable do I need to hook up the sub? Currently, I have a hsu ho, with a single rca going to the sub from the receiver -lfe. Can somebody confirm this would work?

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10236&cs_id=1023603&p_id=2682&seq=1&format=1#largeimage

I saw the rear of the sub. I can use the "left or mono" input?

Also, does the sub have rubber feet, etc?


tnt

The same cable you use for the Hsu will work for the JL.

Blue Jeans Cable makes an -excellent- cable HDMI, Speaker or RCA.

-Nate

Would anybody buy a brand new JL 112 for $1500 without warranty. A guy locally tells me he has one in a unopened box (he bought it from JL working at an Audio shop for a great deal) :).

I have bought stuff from ebay, but not this much without warranty. Just curious..

I have the itch to upgrade. Currently using a HSU HO..

tnt


Hey tractng, I don't know if you've picked up the JL already, but that is a fantastic price. I too went from a HSU HO to the F112 and have not regretted it one bit. I love the size and build quality of the F112. The sound quality is top notch. It has a bit less output than the HO around the HO's port tuning frequency but the F112 has more clean output in the mid to upper bass.

Anxiously awaiting my 2 F112's. :D Cannot wait to be blown away.

Will report back...

Hey tractng, I don't know if you've picked up the JL already, but that is a fantastic price. I too went from a HSU HO to the F112 and have not regretted it one bit. I love the size and build quality of the F112. The sound quality is top notch. It has a bit less output than the HO around the HO's port tuning frequency but the F112 has more clean output in the mid to upper bass.

I missed that deal and bought the f113. Very musical sub and the size is great.

tony

Anxiously awaiting my 2 F112's. :D Cannot wait to be blown away.

Will report back...
Congratulations mate:)