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Sketcha

03-01-07, 07:43 PM

I read most of that thread and dont remember reading about that bug...I will have to plow through it again until you remember what page it was on...and did you mean bug as in SOME were not getting it or ALL? Is there any sort of fix for that?
Didn't see a fix, but didn't look hard either.

I'll try to see if I can give you a better idea how to find the info, but it seems like a thread search for "1080p" would do it. Hang on.

NickFoley

03-01-07, 07:44 PM

I thought the Yamaha 1700/2700 do have the LFE issue.

Sketcha

03-01-07, 07:48 PM

I read most of that thread and dont remember reading about that bug...I will have to plow through it again until you remember what page it was on...and did you mean bug as in SOME were not getting it or ALL? Is there any sort of fix for that?
It's in several places. It appears that it has not been answered, at least in that thread since this is a very recent post...

Originally Posted by grant0830@hotmai
Has Onkyo fixed the problems their receivers were having passing through PS3 1080p signal, I had heard that the 604 and 674 will pass 1080i, but the 1080p signal has problems due the HDCP. If anyone knows of a "problem free" receiver for the PS3 & HD audio I would greatly appreciate your help!!
and reply...

i just returned the onkyo 674 to cc because it would not passthrough the ps3 1080p signal to my sony 60" xbr2, (the screen would flash on and off), i picked up the yamaha htr-6090 at bb for 670.00 and am really pleased with it, no problems passing 1080p or accepting pcm 7.1 from the ps3, awsome receiver! pajer

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9739575&&#post9739575

Again, found this right away by searching "1080p" within the thread.

Sketcha

03-01-07, 07:54 PM

I thought the Yamaha 1700/2700 do have the LFE issue.
I don't know, Nick. According to the chart, no.

I'm burnt, guys. If someone else wants to take the reins for awhile, that would be great.

Good luck.

joeblow

03-01-07, 09:55 PM

I have a 604... no LFE issue.

Sketcha

03-01-07, 10:11 PM

Here's thread from another forum where they elude to 1080p issues with the 604.

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28885

jayenright

03-01-07, 10:48 PM

Almost all the seeming issues with the 1080p seem to stem from a component connection. I'm trying to figure out if using only HDMI and for sure having a 1080p capable TV would eliminate this problem. Let me know if anyone finds the answer before me.

mikecoscia

03-02-07, 11:31 AM

So can the 604 pass a 1080p signal or not?

Fettastic

03-02-07, 11:49 AM

Taha24

03-02-07, 11:53 AM

So can the 604 pass a 1080p signal or not?

Works fine with my Samsung HLS series DLP and PS3.

Sketcha

03-02-07, 11:59 AM

I don't see where not being able to pass 1080p is even a big deal. If you have a 1080p HDTV, it will interlace the signal anyway. What difference does it make if the receiver does it or if the HDTV does it?
It's not whether or not the receiver does it. It's whether or not the receiver will allow a 1080p signal FROM the SOURCE to PASS through the receiver, to the display.

I know a lot of HD DVD fans think 1080i is sufficient, but since HDMI 1.1 is supposed to have this capability, the 604 should be able to pull this off, no problem. Some people have reported that it doesn't.

Sketcha

03-02-07, 12:07 PM

Also... for you folks that seem to be so picky about your budget receiver, I feel the need to remind you that the Onkyos have been reported to be incapable of allowing anything above 6 channels of PCM.

This means that they will never be able to provide more than 5.1 channels of PCM audio, period!

If you want 6.1 or 7.1, you would be forced to use DD, DTS or Pro Logic II.

SO...

Don't waste your money "upgrading" your receiver for PCM, if you are at all concerned with 6.1 or 7.1!

Get the Denon 887 or something else. There are much safer bets for not much more dough.

tlreddragon

03-02-07, 12:07 PM

Sketcha

03-02-07, 12:10 PM

I think the point Fett is trying to make is that it doesn't matter whether or not it can pass 1080p if your display can simply deinterlace a 1080i signal. It's like why do we need a receiver that can decode trueHD if the player can do the decoding?
The problem with this is that there are 1080p, source discs. No deinterlacing necessary. Am I wrong?

Also, many games for the PS3 will be 1080p in the software.

Sketcha

03-02-07, 12:12 PM

Works fine with my Samsung HLS series DLP and PS3.
That's great Taha!

Forgive me, but I don't know you, nor your level of knowledge.

Can you confirm that the PS3 is outputting 1080p?

Taha24

03-02-07, 12:33 PM

That's great Taha!

Forgive me, but I don't know you, nor your level of knowledge.

Can you confirm that the PS3 is outputting 1080p?

Well my level of knowledge is very little compared to AVS users. But i am a nice person :p

But yea it is outputting 1080p. This thread made me unsure of myself so I went to check right now and took some pics.

Here's three pictures. One is the PS3 in its XMB menu 1080p, one is of the Casino Royale trailer in 1080p, and one is of the Formula 1 game on the PS3 to show something in 720p. All have the TV "info" button showing what resolution it is recieving.

1920x1080 = 1080p (they put a i after 1080 when the signal is 1080i).

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/4596/dsc01307um0.th.jpg (http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc01307um0.jpg)http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/3376/dsc01308wo3.th.jpg (http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc01308wo3.jpg)http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/1073/dsc01306ge8.th.jpg (http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc01306ge8.jpg)

Hope that helps

Sketcha

03-02-07, 12:55 PM

Well my level of knowledge is very little compared to AVS users. But i am a nice person :p
I'm sure you are, Taha. And I'm guessing by this reply that you were not offended. That's why I tried to preface my question.

Hope that helps
It does, T, thanks.

But now that you've stepped in it... ;)

when you get a moment, can you try switching the PS3 to output 1080i so we can see that "i"? It would be a very cool confirmation, although, I'm guessing that the "60hz" confirms the progressive signal, but that again, would just be a guess. It would also be cool if, along with the "i," we could see "30hz."

And of course you're using HDMI, right?

Sketcha

03-02-07, 03:30 PM

It appears there are a lot of problems with the PS3 and HDCP handshake with other devices, though I've only, so far seen reference to the Onkyos. It may be sometime before this is worked out and it may take HDMI 1.3 to do it. I have not seen anyone reporting problems with other HD optical players. Some people report no problems at all so it appears to be, somewhat random.

At this time, I recommend purchasing your receiver in a manner that allows for an easy return, JIC you are one of the unlucky ones with issues. Also, during this trial period, you could test your system and see if the differences between a 1080p signal and a 1080i are noticeable or worth worrying about. If you are one of the unlucky ones with the 1080p issue, you may find there is not any difference and you can just set your PS3 to 1080i and enjoy the fun.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9899525&&#post9899525

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9896687&&#post9896687

Here is the Onkyo 674 thread with a search of 1080p.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/search.php?searchid=2384506

We are still in the middle of a transitional phase. Anyone making purchases now are early adopters and early adopters are always at a greater risk of problems than the rest.

gas_leak

03-02-07, 03:38 PM

PS3 works fine with my Onkyo 604 to Optoma HD70 at 1080p via HDMI for both audio and video.
I was using a Sammy and the 1080p works fine with it, but this thread got me worried about the PS3, but it works perfectly fine also.

DaveFi

03-02-07, 04:24 PM

Sony is introducing 3 new receivers with PCM/1080P $500, $400 and $300 MSRP, the cheaper two being introduced this month, the $500 in April:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=813783

Sketcha

03-02-07, 04:26 PM

Below is a link to one of many, many threads on 1080p vs. 1080i; just happens to be recent and with a few of my own questions answered.

Basically, unless you own the Pioneer Blu-ray player, you don't need to concern yourself with 1080p.

GET THE FREAKIN' 604 AND START ENJOYING PCM!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

;)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9923679#post9923679

Fettastic

03-02-07, 04:28 PM

Sony is introducing 3 new receivers with PCM/1080P $500, $400 and $300 MSRP, the cheaper two being introduced this month, the $500 in April:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=813783
"The new STR-DG510 6.1 channel A/V receiver offers 100 watts of power per channel, HDMI pass-through for 1080i performance."

They don't specifically say that any of these new receivers plays audio from HDMI. They might, but with all these stupid pass-through models on shelves I'll believe it when I see it.

DaveFi

03-02-07, 04:34 PM

"The new STR-DG510 6.1 channel A/V receiver offers 100 watts of power per channel, HDMI pass-through for 1080i performance."

They don't specifically say that any of these new receivers plays audio from HDMI. They might, but with all these stupid pass-through models on shelves I'll believe it when I see it.I wasn't talking about the 510. The 910, 810 and 710 are $500, $400 and $300 MSRP respectively. It's all there in the PR.
The new STR-DG910, STR-DG810 and STR-DG710 A/V receivers offer HDMI “Active Intelligence,” which automatically detects and receives optimal video and audio signals from connected devices. This all-digital path from source to display handles full1080p HD resolution and up to eight channels of uncompressed audio.

Ron_M

03-02-07, 04:36 PM

It says in the article that the STR-DG710 and STR-DG810 are capable of accepting up to eight channels of uncompressed digital audio over the HDMI.

Sketcha

03-02-07, 04:41 PM

I wasn't talking about the 510. The 910, 810 and 710 are $500, $400 and $300 MSRP respectively. It's all there in the PR.
You are correct.

There are 4 receivers mentioned. The 510 is in the article, down below, but is estimated to go for $200. You only quoted prices for the other 3.

Fettastic

03-02-07, 04:47 PM

It says in the article that the STR-DG710 and STR-DG810 are capable of accepting up to eight channels of uncompressed digital audio over the HDMI.

A lot of people have been screwed over with pass-through. I'm just saying there is some wiggle room in their description of the item. It's the CEs fault for having pass-through in the first place. If they want to reassure the skeptics that THEY CREATED, they should speak to the issue more clearly.

Taha24

03-02-07, 05:02 PM

I'm sure you are, Taha. And I'm guessing by this reply that you were not offended. That's why I tried to preface my question.

It does, T, thanks.

But now that you've stepped in it... ;)

when you get a moment, can you try switching the PS3 to output 1080i so we can see that "i"? It would be a very cool confirmation, although, I'm guessing that the "60hz" confirms the progressive signal, but that again, would just be a guess. It would also be cool if, along with the "i," we could see "30hz."

And of course you're using HDMI, right?

Here you go:

1080i via component with Dish HD DVR:
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/1329/dsc01309zw7.th.jpg (http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc01309zw7.jpg)

1080i via HDMI with PS3:
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7302/dsc01310tv1.th.jpg (http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc01310tv1.jpg)

DaveFi

03-02-07, 05:12 PM

A lot of people have been screwed over with pass-through. I'm just saying there is some wiggle room in their description of the item. It's the CEs fault for having pass-through in the first place. If they want to reassure the skeptics that THEY CREATED, they should speak to the issue more clearly.In this case the cheaper $200 receiver Sony is marketing specifies "HDMI pass-through" only, where for the other 3 models they state "handles...up to eight channels of uncompressed audio." so it is fairly clear what they mean.

In any event we won't have to wait that long to find out since the cheaper receivers are being released this month.

Anthony1

03-02-07, 05:29 PM

Sketcha

03-02-07, 05:36 PM

Here you go:
Excellent, Taha!

Thank you

Sketcha

03-02-07, 05:39 PM

I'm very confused on all of this, but I was hoping that somebody might be able to answer a question for me. I'm looking for the cheapest receiver that meets these qualifications:

1. Can do 7.1 LPCM

2. Can layer DPLIIx over 5.1 or 6.1 LPCM

3. Doesn't have bass management issues

4. Doesn't have HDMI handshaking issues

Also, I have very large mains and a good center, so the bass management thing isn't necessarily a make or break thing, but I would prefer one that didn't have the LFE issues. I do not have any need for 1080p passthrough either. I'm really trying to find something under $600 out the door, but I'm pretty sure nothing exists that meets all my requirments for under $600 OTD.

What I really want is a digital path receiver like the Panasonic SA XR-700, except with the ability to layer DPLIIx over 5.1 and 6.1 sources and no bass management issues. I've heard Panasonic has a SA XR-707 model coming, but I don't know what specific features this one has. I currently have a XR-55 and love it, except that it doesn't have HDMI and I can't get any lossless PCM sound.
Denon 887 (online version of 2307ci)

Can be had for around 550 beans. Call J&R for price before looking elsewhere.

It's possible these new Sonys could fill your needs for a better price, but it looks like we won't know until later this month.

EDIT: Disclaimer: No guarantees on the handshake issue, though I have seen no reports of such.

UPDATE: I just went through the Denon 2807 and 2307 (AKA 987 and 887 at online retailers) threads with a search of "1080p." I found nothing indicating anyone is having any problems with that.

Here are the threads...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=705196

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=649509

Go nuts!

Dan Hitchman

03-02-07, 06:02 PM

DaveFi

03-02-07, 06:08 PM

I went through the tortures of the damned trying to figure out the best receiver for the buck to hear the advanced audio on many of the Blu-Ray titles. I decided to wait and see what options will be available this spring and summer with HDMI 1.3 enabled features.

DanI am either of one or two parties:

1. Go all out now and buy a HDMI 1.3 receiver like one of Marantz forthcoming MSRP receiver.

2. Go cheap and just get something like Sony's $300 PCM low-end HDMI receiver.

I suspect even if I get the $1k 1.3 receiver it will still be lacking some sort of processing and I'll want to upgrade again in a few years anyways.

Sketcha

03-02-07, 09:38 PM

I suspect even if I get the $1k 1.3 receiver it will still be lacking some sort of processing and I'll want to upgrade again in a few years anyways.
Yup. Get something to get you through the transition. The less money you spend, the less you'll lose when the technology changes.

Anthony1

03-02-07, 11:08 PM

You know, one thing that kinda sucks, is the fact that I'm going to need HDMI receivers in 3 different rooms eventually. I use both my PS3 and my Xbox 360 with HD-DVD add on in three different locations in my house depending upon the situation. In all 3 locations I have a home theater setup. I have watched Blu Ray movies and HD-DVD movies in all three locations, but I primarily watch them in my Front Projector room. Still, eventually I would like to hear the lossless PCM sound in all three locations, so that means 3 upgrades! :(

Yeah, I know, my HD-DVD add on won't give me lossless sound atm, but I'll be adding the HDMI 360 when that comes out, so that will change in the near future.

But for those of you that are in a similar situation like me, it's possible to use a stopgap option now, something very cheap, like a Panasonic XR-57, and then when I get the kind of receiver I "really" want for my primary home theater, I can use the XR-57 in one of the smalll rooms. My projection room is 7.1, and the XR-57 doesn't do 7.1 LPCM, but my other rooms are 5.1 and are going to stay 5.1, so I could always use the XR-57 in one of those rooms. Of course, a big part of me says that I want 7.1 LPCM NOW! but man, I just don't want to cough up $600 on a mediocre receiver just cause it can do 7.1 LPCM.

Sketcha

03-02-07, 11:10 PM

Anthony1

03-02-07, 11:16 PM

Oh boo-hoo

Hey, I'm a home theater nut on an extreme budget, so it really is boo-hoo. You might think I got mega bucks because I said "Projector room", but my projector room is actually my freaking 3 car garage with a $850 Mits HD1000u DLP projector and a painted on the wall 131 inch 16:9 screen. Still looks and sounds fantastic though, considering it's a "ghetto" front projection setup.

ninjitsui1

03-05-07, 02:51 PM

Sketcha

03-05-07, 03:07 PM

"Never had a surround sound setup. I've been reading through this thread and I'm leaning towards the Onkyo 604. My question is does anyone have any suggestions for a relatively cheap, but quality 5.1 speaker setup (I would like to keep the whole speaker/receiver package under $1000). It's a studio apartment so I don't need that much power."

Check out Inifinity Primus series, Paradigms, Polks, Athenas, all relatively cheap and great bang for the buck.
I got this set of Athena B1.2 ($100/ea) and C series, and a PS-4000/4100 sub. If you get a decent deal you could go out the door for about $500-600. The 604 is about $400. Mind you it'll be another $100 or so in cables/peripherals. Keep that in mind and good luck!
Here you can get a pair of the B1.2s delivered for $147.73. There's a center and bi-pole surrounds (more expensive than using the B1.2s as surrounds, but more diffuse) on this page, as well...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009WRV1A/ref=olp_product_details/002-1745446-2448865?ie=UTF8&seller=

and a sub...

http://www.amazon.com/AS-P4100-400-Watt-10-inch-Subwoofer/dp/B000JE8Z3Q/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-1745446-2448865?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1173125286&sr=1-1

Sketcha

03-05-07, 03:39 PM

Alright, I think I mentioned Polks before, but ninjitsui1 got me going again.

Here's an incredible deal on a pair of Polks with 5.25" woofers (75 BUCKS!!!.) Reviews in several places are excellent. It's been so long since I was in the market...

Anyway, get 2 pr. plus a center and sub. Or, if you really want true timbre matching, get 3 pr., use one for a center, then you have an extra for 1 center surround for 6.1! The price for a pair of these is half the price of the center by itself!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006I5O4/sr=1-11/qid=1173125872/ref=dp_cp_ob_title_1/002-1745446-2448865?ie=UTF8&qid=1173125872&sr=1-11

The Center...

http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-Monitor-Channel-Speaker/dp/B0002MPMAE/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-1745446-2448865?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1173126766&sr=1-1

NOTE: Be sure to break in (fairly loud volume) any speakers you buy for around 100 hours before you judge them.

Some Polk subs to choose from, though any sub to your liking will do as there is no need to timbre match. Polk's lower end models should be pretty competitive price-wise, though. If you can afford a few bucks more, spring for a 12" Also bear in mind that the 10" does not have an LFE input. Not a huge deal, just means the signal has to go though a crossover. Just set the crossover to it's highest point and the receiver will do the rest. That's what I had to do on an older M&K. No biggie.

The 10" has free shipping. Including shipping, I calculated the 12" to be $62.08 more than the 10".

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_e/002-1745446-2448865?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=polk+sub&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go

Here's the breakdown

6 Polk R15s @ $75/pr = $225 delivered
1 PSW12 sub = $242 delivered from one call

GRAND TOTAL = $467!!!

joeblow

03-05-07, 11:39 PM

"Never had a surround sound setup. I've been reading through this thread and I'm leaning towards the Onkyo 604. My question is does anyone have any suggestions for a relatively cheap, but quality 5.1 speaker setup (I would like to keep the whole speaker/receiver package under $1000). It's a studio apartment so I don't need that much power."

Check out Inifinity Primus series, Paradigms, Polks, Athenas, all relatively cheap and great bang for the buck.
I got this set of Athena B1.2 ($100/ea) and C series, and a PS-4000/4100 sub. If you get a decent deal you could go out the door for about $500-600. The 604 is about $400. Mind you it'll be another $100 or so in cables/peripherals. Keep that in mind and good luck!

Onkyo 604: $400
Velodyne Front Row 5.0 Speakers: $200
BC H-100 Subwoofer: $250
Total (before cables): $850

I and several others here have this combination based on individual reviews here at this website for each component. You will REALLY enjoy your surround system if you choose these, no doubt. I've had it for two weeks and am loving every Blu-ray/DVD movie playback I feed it. Here are some threads on the speakers and subwoofer:

Velodyne speakers (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=713913)
BIC H-100 sub woofer (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=794393&highlight=BIC)

Sketcha

03-06-07, 02:26 AM

Onkyo 604: $400
Velodyne Front Row 5.0 Speakers: $200
BC H-100 Subwoofer: $250
Total (before cables): $850

I and several others here have this combination based on individual reviews here at this website for each component. You will REALLY enjoy your surround system if you choose these, no doubt. I've had it for two weeks and am loving every Blu-ray/DVD movie playback I feed it. Here are some threads on the speakers and subwoofer:

Velodyne speakers (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=713913)
BIC H-100 sub woofer (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=794393&highlight=BIC)
This system would be tough to beat for that kind of cash. It would very likely stomp all over the Onkyo speakers for similar dough. Normally I don't like to go below 5.25" woofers on my satellites, but this makes a much bigger difference with music. For most movies, these should sound, pretty much incredible to the HT newb. And when it comes to Bose, my near-deaf grandma could tell you these Velos would totally kill them.

If music is a priority though, I would still consider the Polks for this price range. They are rated down to 60 db vs. the Velos' 90. The Velos may be rated more conservatively, but not 30 db conservative.

With the Velos there will be a bit of a gap between the LFE and when the Velos start to chime in. And for music you might notice things like vocals sounding a bit thin as compared to the Polks.

Either way though, these are some incredible deals!

mikecoscia

03-06-07, 08:19 PM

purduealum91

03-07-07, 09:22 AM

Gang,

To those who will need to run a HDMI to DVI cable from the receiver to the TV, a warning. Not all receivers will allow the following: HDMI audio from a PS3 connected via HDMI to the receiver/the receiver connected to the TV via an HDMI to DVI cable. I had one of the newer Sonys and it would not output any HDMI audio from the PS3 to the receiver because of the fact that I was using an HDMI to DVI cable since my TV only has DVI.

I swapped it with a Marantz and all is well.

Sketcha

03-07-07, 10:52 AM

Since this reciever only supports PCM 5.1 what does it do with the remaining two channels if you have them hooked up? Do you get no sound from the rear channels or does it just output what the sides are getting?
No sound when using PCM.

However, I read, recently that the Onkyos DO accept 7.1 and play it.

Sorry. So much conflicting information. I wish I could make it easy for you, but if you care about 7.1, you may want to do some more googleizing.

Cliff Olson

03-07-07, 02:36 PM

I know this thread was posted some time ago, but it was excellent. I just bought a PS3 and use it only for Blu-ray, and this answered all of my questions. Thanks for the great info!

Sketcha

03-07-07, 02:46 PM

I know this thread was posted some time ago, but it was excellent. I just bought a PS3 and use it only for Blu-ray, and this answered all of my questions. Thanks for the great info!
Could you provide a description of your sound setup?

Fettastic

03-07-07, 03:09 PM

Sketcha

03-07-07, 03:18 PM

Just so everyone knows, if you switch your PS3 to "Digital Bitstream", the XR-57 no longer has the 5.1 only problem. It plays full 7.1, it just doesn't sound quite as full and rich. The difference is fairly subtle, though I still switch to Linear PCM on PCM titles. But for Fox and Lionsgate titles, wowee that 7.1 is niiice!
Thanks Fett.

Yeah, given the choice, I would MUCH rather have PCM or Lossless 5.1, than anything less in 7.1. But as you said, for some titles you're lucky to have the 7.1 option.

Thanks again.

Marc D Carra

03-07-07, 03:25 PM

Has anyone bought any Onkyo 604 refurb units from Ecost? They have them for $274. Are they reliable?

Marc.

Sketcha

03-07-07, 04:15 PM

Has anyone bought any Onkyo 604 refurb units from Ecost? They have them for $274. Are they reliable?

Marc.
In my life, I've had tremendous luck with refurbs. Other than that, can't help you.

What's the return/warranty policy like?

Macroblocker

03-07-07, 04:17 PM

Anyone hear when the new PS3 firmware update will hit? cant wait to hear DTS HD Master

Fettastic

03-07-07, 04:43 PM

Anyone hear when the new PS3 firmware update will hit? cant wait to hear DTS HD Master

If it ever even happens, I would think it's at least a year away.

Sketcha

03-07-07, 05:59 PM

If it ever even happens, I would think it's at least a year away.
Well I don't know about that.

All I keep hearing is that there's one scheduled for the 23rd of this month. Don't know what all it will address, though.

almostinsane

03-07-07, 11:37 PM

In my life, I've had tremendous luck with refurbs. Other than that, can't help you.

What's the return/warranty policy like?

ecost is terrible. Never buy from them. You can't return anything and their support is non existent.

Cliff Olson

03-08-07, 11:11 AM

Could you provide a description of your sound setup?
I am using a 5.1 setup. Legacy Audio mains, sub and center. With some older B&Ws used as Surrounds. Classe Amps (a 2 and a 6 channel), Sherwood/Newcastle HT Processor as the backbone (although it's a piece of crap). Audio is passed to Receiver via Fiber Op Cable, not DVI. I played Ice Age in DTS HD, and thought it was the best sounding material I've heard to date (it's the only HD title I currently have besides Taladega Nights (sp?)). I assuse that's probably due to the 1.5 Mbps data rate? But dynamics were incredible, and the dialog was crystal clear. Seemed far superior to me and I thought it might have been un-compressed until I read this thread. Guess I've been out of the loop for a few years :o

Sketcha

03-08-07, 11:39 AM

I am using a 5.1 setup. Legacy Audio mains, sub and center. With some older B&Ws used as Surrounds. Classe Amps (a 2 and a 6 channel), Sherwood/Newcastle HT Processor as the backbone (although it's a piece of crap). Audio is passed to Receiver via Fiber Op Cable, not DVI. I played Ice Age in DTS HD, and thought it was the best sounding material I've heard to date (it's the only HD title I currently have besides Taladega Nights (sp?)). I assuse that's probably due to the 1.5 Mbps data rate? But dynamics were incredible, and the dialog was crystal clear. Seemed far superior to me and I thought it might have been un-compressed until I read this thread. Guess I've been out of the loop for a few years :o
What?!?! No HDMI?!

We need another lab rat to let us know how your PS3 does with your Onkyo.

Sounds like you've got a nice setup.

Now does DTS HD work over optical?

EDIT: O.K., did a little refresher. Yes, you can get 1.5 Mbps DTS over optical, but that is not DTS HD (6 Mbps.) Still, that's about twice the bitrate you could get with standard DTS on DVD which is about twice that of DD, so things should be sounding pretty darn good for you.

Still... YOU NEED HDMI!!! That's the whole point of upgrading your receiver. A 10 year old DTS receiver could give you what your getting.

jayenright

03-12-07, 03:46 PM

dlconner

03-12-07, 04:34 PM

Sketcha

03-12-07, 04:58 PM

Thats not a bad overall price either...Now to just work on the WAF ;)
The price is really, quite incredible!

Hint: Be sure to first show her some of the more expensive stuff. Then, later you can "settle" for the inexpensive, but functional system, above. ;)

Don't go as far as to say it's a POS, though. She won't want you to waste her money. ;) ;)

powerwolf

03-27-07, 08:09 AM

JimSD

03-27-07, 11:22 AM

I got a Denon 2307 and I will get PS3 in the next couple of days so few questions, I am sure its been answered before but I dont really get any of that stuff :) You might want to hold off until at least April 1. Best Buy's April 1-7 ad has a deal where you get a $50 GC if you get a PS3 + $150 worth of game accessories and/or games. So if you get an extra controller, maybe a DVD remote, a couple of games, it might be worth it to wait.

Fettastic

03-27-07, 12:01 PM

I got a Denon 2307 and I will get PS3 in the next couple of days so few questions, I am sure its been answered before but I dont really get any of that stuff :)

Will I be able to hear Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD through HDMI? I know that Denon can receive 7.1 PCM. So my question is if PS3 decodes Dolby TrueHD or DTS HD and sends it to Denon will I be able to hear that sound in all its glory?
The PS3 does indeed decode TrueHD. Nothing can fully decode DTS HD MA (if that's what you were referring to), but as I understand it, all DTS receivers decode the DTS HD MA core which maxes at 1.5 mbps. DTS HD is something different and is present on Lionsgate titles. It is simply a 1.5 mbps DTS track.

DaveFi

03-27-07, 12:38 PM

STR-DG710 preorder from JR.com for $275 shipped (that's w/no tax). About $45 cheaper than Sonystyle so I ordered from JR instead.

Make sure to go through Fatwallet "Stores" to save $5.

chinhman

03-28-07, 09:55 AM

Is is true that 710 model has only two HDMI inputs whereas 810 and 910 models have three?

Sdallnct

03-29-07, 01:39 PM

OK, I'll jump on the "I maybe wanting a new receiver to go with my PS3" band wagon.

I currently use a H/K with no HDMI inputs (gasp!). But I love the sound, the build and power. It matches nicely with my speakers (Celestion). If I wanted to stay with H/K and on a budget, guess my only choice is the upcoming AVR 247?

Has anyone any experience with the Marantz SR4001? Runs roughly the same as the H/K.

solo88

03-29-07, 05:03 PM

The PS3 does indeed decode TrueHD. Nothing can fully decode DTS HD MA (if that's what you were referring to), but as I understand it, all DTS receivers decode the DTS HD MA core which maxes at 1.5 mbps. DTS HD is something different and is present on Lionsgate titles. It is simply a 1.5 mbps DTS track.
Actually, it's core DTS (read by any DTS receiver from either a DTS-HD-HR or DTS-HD-MA track) that's a 1.5 mbps bitrate. DTS-HD-HR is much higher resolution, but not lossless. 6 mbps maybe? I don't remember, but 1.5 is plain 'ol max bitrate DTS (that could actually be found on a lot of early DTS DVD's--the Lethal Weapons were among them).

If the PS3 works out for me, I'll likely upgrade my receiver in the future too to take full advantage of lossless audio. I'll keep an eye on Pioneer's future (budget) offerings because I really love the one I have. I love the quality of the sound from that unit and would be hardpressed to change brands.

I think if HD-MA materializes for the PS3 I'll pick up a VSX81TXV when they start closing them out before the HDMI 1.3 receivers. Otherwise wait for that generation, but if the PS3 offers full decoding (or other future players do) I see no reason to spend more for them...unless I want to wait and be future-proof for deep color. No worry with my current TV, but I may need to pass the 1.3 signal at some point, right?

Fettastic

04-04-07, 04:54 PM

Here's a new discovery.

I have the PS3 and the XR57.

I happened to notice that when you have the HDMI AND the optical hooked up to the XR57, not only do you get 5.1 PCM....you ALSO get sound in the rear surrounds! It at least appears to be correct and corresponds nicely with the rest of the sound.

Anyone else pick up on this?

Jiffylush

04-04-07, 05:06 PM

Is is true that 710 model has only two HDMI inputs whereas 810 and 910 models have three?

Yes, go to www.sonystyle.com and you can see pics of the front and back of all three.

SGRSBSKIER

04-05-07, 05:58 AM

I am almost certain I am getting the Onkyo TX-SR804 I have seen it for around $750. I read in the audio area it cant do surround processing on PCM, so if it’s 5.1 PCM it will not use the rear speakers. I am assuming that it can do 7.1 PCM I haven't seen anything about that. I plan on listening to everything 7.1 so I will mostly use Dolby or what ever the best is that the receiver can do. Will I be missing a whole lot by not getting a receiver that can process PCM 5.1 into 7.1? Are there any other concerns with the Onkyo TX-SR804 that I should worry about? It’s going to last at least 4 years most likely 10 or more. Whatever I get will sound so much better than I have ever heard at home.

My old system was good 10 years ago, but I want a very good one by today’s standard. I am also looking at Paradigm Cinema 110 speaker set that is about $1200, The only problem for me is I have never had dipole speakers and I don’t think I will like them as much. We are finishing our basement the room is 30’ X 12’ main viewing seats will be about 12ft from TV (65in Mitsubishi 1080p DLP, 75in doesn’t have the 6th color and doesn’t look as good and is over $1000 more) all the speakers will be setup correctly except the rear 2 will probably be a little farther back. I will be getting this in about 2 months. The PS3 will probably be my Blu-ray player until prices come down to $150 with the same features. All of this is pushing the limits at around $5500 with stands and tax maybe more, but the speakers wont be replaced and probably the TV also unless they break.

Here is my current setup if anyone is interested: TX-SV454 which has three surround modes: by-pass, Dolby pro-logic, and hall it only has Left and Right analog inputs. It has 5.1 outputs. The speakers are on shelves 8ft in the air with the surround speakers 5ft behind, the TV is in right corner with the front right speaker 3ft behind it, the center speaker is the only one correctly set up for the TV position.

panlee

04-05-07, 07:52 AM

Sony should come out with an 5.1 analog audio out adaptor for the PS3. It will be the cheapest and help to save the world as we can now use our old receiver. Any idea if Sony plan to come out such add-on?

jayrader

04-05-07, 09:40 AM

Just wanted to chime in here, I just got the Denon AVR 887, which is mostly the same as the CI2307. It does 7.1 lossless just great. And the nice thing is on the 5.1 lossless tracks it will do Prologic processing to get you that rear channel. So basically with this receiver I've got 6.1 lossless sound for any Bluray disk with lossless sound on it I throw at it. So sweet.

Was bummed the Onkyo models would not do this, I contacted them about it and they told me it wasn't possible with current models. They were alot cheaper, but I'm happy I got that Denon to do what I wanted.

Sketcha

04-05-07, 10:45 AM

Sketcha

04-05-07, 10:47 AM

jayrader

04-05-07, 11:06 AM

Forget the Onkyos. Get the Denon 887 or 987 and be done with it. Call J&R for pricing.

I'm not bashing the Onkyos, but I'm not sure why anyone would get one at this point when they know they don't support above 5.1 PCM, especially when you have a 6.1 or 7.1 setup. That is unless you're rich and want to get a new receiver every year.

Fettastic

04-05-07, 11:16 AM

Just to be clear, I have the PS3 set at Linear PCM via HDMI. The XR57 is set for HDMI. If I unplug the optical cable, the rear surrounds go away. If I plug it in, they return. It does not sound artificial at all, it sounds like the correct channels.

Is it possible that the XR57 is gathering the additional surround information from the PS3 via the optical cable? It sure seems to be.

tlreddragon

04-05-07, 06:20 PM

I'm not bashing the Onkyos, but I'm not sure why anyone would get one at this point when they know they don't support above 5.1 PCM, especially when you have a 6.1 or 7.1 setup. That is unless you're rich and want to get a new receiver every year.
Maybe because 7.1 is overkill for most people and the Onkyo's are an excellent value. Maybe that's why?

mackaveli

04-06-07, 01:37 AM

hi, i would love to get loseless HD audio but i can't afford it or don't know where to get a cheap set in Canada. But i found this speaker system and ordered it but might return it.

i purchased the Logitech Z-5500 5.1 speakers from bestbuy Canada.
http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0926INGFS10051737&logon=&langid=EN

they are on sale and cost me 279.99 + GST. is this a good deal. Will the audio i get from Blu-ray movies be fine for that price? I couldn't get loseless audio for less then $500 CDN right? I don't want to spend more then $500-600 and this seems like a good price. Is it possible for me to get loseless audio in the 500-600 price CDN?

thanks

joeblow

04-06-07, 02:03 AM

I'm not bashing the Onkyos, but I'm not sure why anyone would get one at this point when they know they don't support above 5.1 PCM, especially when you have a 6.1 or 7.1 setup. That is unless you're rich and want to get a new receiver every year.

Because our room layouts don't accommodate 7.1. I don't want my kids tripping over speakers in the middle of the room, so 5.1 is just fine for me. I love my Onkyo 604+PS3 combo. :)

eightninesuited

04-06-07, 03:30 AM

mackaveli

04-06-07, 01:12 PM

What's your receiver? Lossless is a mixture of source + receiver + speaker. Even the worst speakers will do lossless audio. That's not the issue. You need an HDMI audio accepting receiver. Look for the Panasonic XR57 if you're looking for absolute bargain.

i don't have a receiver that does loseless. I'm just asking if the z5500 5.1 speakers are good. They come with its own receiver that only decodes DD5.1 and DTS.

i just can't afford speakers and receiver right now. If receivers get cheaper, i could use these speakers with any receiver i buy in the future??

edit- is this a good receiver?? http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0926INGFS10083769&catid=20313&logon=&langid=EN

tlreddragon

04-06-07, 02:42 PM

^The Z-5500's are fine. I used them for a bit while I was still gathering components for my home theater. If you don't mind the fact that you're not getting the best sound from your speakers, you should be able to live with them long enough until you upgrade.

mackaveli

04-06-07, 06:06 PM

tlreddragon

04-06-07, 09:31 PM

k that's fine with me, but can i use these speakers with a new receiver later on?
You'll have to get new speakers along with a new receiver because the 5500 is basically an HTIB and you can't use the subwoofer with another receiver.

Sketcha

04-06-07, 11:29 PM

Maybe because 7.1 is overkill for most people and the Onkyo's are an excellent value. Maybe that's why?
I feel ya', tl. A good 5.1 system can be great and easily destroy a mediocre 7.1 system.

mackaveli

04-06-07, 11:41 PM

You'll have to get new speakers along with a new receiver because the 5500 is basically an HTIB and you can't use the subwoofer with another receiver.

if i wanted to keep the speakers, could i buy a new subwoofer so i could save money or is that a no-no?

thanks

mikethewxguy

04-07-07, 02:09 AM

What about the Sony STR DG 900?

Is it just an HDMI pass through receiver?

So, I'd have to step up to the DG1000?

Thanks

tlreddragon

04-07-07, 02:25 AM

if i wanted to keep the speakers, could i buy a new subwoofer so i could save money or is that a no-no?

thanks
You would probably have to buy new speakers too.

eddy_winds

04-07-07, 04:08 AM

So with these choices you still don't get any Dolby TrueHD or DTS-MA, I hope you all know that...
@ less than $300 the Panasonic SA-XR57 Sounds Great

gamerheaven

04-07-07, 08:44 AM

I bought a Denon 487DV HTIB, no HDMI. I can connect HDA2 and PS3 through optical. In layman's terms, what am I missing out on? Lossless sound = what?
I'm within the return period, but I like the system. The bass is a little loud, and I can feel the air push from the subwoofer when I'm sitting on the floor.

I am pretty uninformed, so speak english... :p

WriteSimple

04-07-07, 10:07 AM

In layman's terms, what am I missing out on? Lossless sound = what? The analogy is this: lossless is to CD as lossy (what you're getting with 5.1 BDs/DVDs via optical) is to MP3.

fuad

Jefftaz

04-07-07, 10:11 AM

Ok first off, thanks to all who have contributed to this thread. It has really been helpful in understanding this new audio format.

In my home theater setup I am currently running a 6.1 speaker setup and would like to take advantage of the full 6.1 if possible.

Can the Onkyo SR604 do this? I have seen conflicting posts where someone will say it can handle 7.1, while others insist that it can only do 5.1 (PCM).

If the Onkyo can not handle 6.1 lossless audio, what is a good, affordable receiver that can do this?

Thanks again for all your help.

Jeff

WilliamG

04-07-07, 12:14 PM

Jefftaz, and OP PLEASE add the Yamaha RX-V661 as probably the most featured 7.1 PCM receiver for under $500. The only thing it lacks is the upconversion via HDMI, but it works flawlessly with the PS3 and does 7.1 PCM.

Here's the thread. I got mine yesterday and won't be looking back!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=822161&page=1&pp=30

Sketcha

04-07-07, 01:15 PM

gamerheaven

04-07-07, 04:29 PM

The analogy is this: lossless is to CD as lossy (what you're getting with 5.1 BDs/DVDs via optical) is to MP3.

fuad

Wow, I should have thought a bit more about the denon487... :(

gamerheaven

04-08-07, 09:17 AM

WilliamG

04-08-07, 09:29 AM

I was reading a thread in the HTIB section, specifically about DENON 487DV, my receiver, and I seemed to understand the Analog connection from the receiver to PS3 would give me lossless sound where optical could not

Is that right? Is there an instance where the red and white cables would be the preferred connection method over optical

Please help.

There's no such thing as an analog connection from the PS3. The PS3 supports only digital connections.

Greg Kettell

04-08-07, 09:30 AM

I was reading a thread in the HTIB section, specifically about DENON 487DV, my receiver, and I seemed to understand the Analog connection from the receiver to PS3 would give me lossless sound where optical could not

Is that right? Is there an instance where the red and white cables would be the preferred connection method over optical

Please help.

No, there isn't. The analog connections are only two channels, and when limited to two channels the optical connection is plenty capable of delivering lossless sound.

Greg Kettell

04-08-07, 09:32 AM

There's no such thing as an analog connection from the PS3. The PS3 supports only digital connections.

True regarding multichannel audio, but it does have stereo analog outputs.

Jefftaz

04-08-07, 10:40 AM

WilliamG and Sketcha,

Thanks for both of your replies. I just got done reading the entire Yamaha RX-V661 thread and it sounds very good. I will be picking one up here shortly !

Jeff

Jefftaz

04-09-07, 07:49 AM

Ok,

I bit the bullet and ordered a Yamaha RX-V661. I got it from a Authorized Dealer with free 3 day Fedex Shipping for $498.99, not too bad. I could have got it for less from EBAY, but for me it was important to buy from an Authorized Dealer. It will be here on Thursday and I am looking forward to tackling the rats nest behind my system (not...). I figure the work will be worth if when I hear that HD sound :) .

Thanks for the posts, it helped me to justify spending even more on my set up - my wife loves you guys.

Jeff

61 inch Mits DLP rear projection TV
Optoma HD70 DLP front Projector
Optoma Matte White 92 inch Screen (pull down)
Monster Power Conditioner
Yamaha RX-V661 HDMI Receiver...soon
Infinity 6.1 Surround Sound
Octava HDMI switcher
VideoStorm Component switcher
Comcast HD Cable
Toshiba HD-A1
PS3 60gb
X-box 360
Wii

Fettastic

04-09-07, 10:33 AM

For anyone curious,it apears that the optical cable somehow screwed up the speaker assignments so I was not in fact getting extra channels. Sucky.

johnsmith808

04-09-07, 09:38 PM

SirDrexl

04-09-07, 09:42 PM

IF Sony wanted to, I'm sure they could release a cable or dongle with 6 channel analog out, so us "old receiver" owners could take advantage of these new lossless formats. That multi-out port probably could do that. Of course, Sony doesn't want to do that. They are much too progressive to revisit analog technology, which I guess makes $ense.

No, they couldn't. The system only has the two DACs. Such a "cable" would actually have to be a box with processors on board that does the work of a receiver without amplication.

johnsmith808

04-10-07, 12:03 AM

So players with 6 channel analog out have six DACs? I guess that's why they usually cost a bit more.

vvha313

04-10-07, 12:27 AM

Good news for those who haven't heard it: the first hdmi 1.3 receivers with all the audio decoders we'll ever need for Blu-Ray are coming soon. The Onkyo TX-SR605 has been confirmed to have decoders for both DTHD and DTS-HD MA. Those Fox movies with their 24-but lossless soundtracks should be amazing! Right now the Onkyo 605 is scheduled to come out in May and can be pre-ordered from JR.com for $400

SirDrexl

04-10-07, 12:38 AM

So players with 6 channel analog out have six DACs? I guess that's why they usually cost a bit more.

Yes. I suppose they could create another model of PS3 with the analog outs, but it would probably cost more anyway.

BTW, that Onkyo 605 sounds interesting. It would be nice to have some insurance in case DTS-HD MA doesn't get added to the PS3. Of course, if they start authoring in advanced content mode, the decoders won't be usable for those discs, but until then there should be a lot of titles that can benefit.

However, with all of the frustrating gotchas with HDMI receivers, I can't just pre-order one without finding out first what it can (and more importantly, can't) do.

WilliamG

04-10-07, 11:53 AM

DaveFi

04-10-07, 12:04 PM

Confirmed to have DTS:HD and HDMI 1.3? Where are you seeing that?It's in THIS THREAD (http://) in the AMPS/Receivers forums. It's right on the picture.

I just got my 604 yesterday so I am kicking myself a little bit (had I known about the 605 I would have waited- too late now). The only thing I am a little nervous about now is Sony not following through with their promise to add internal decoding for DTS:HD, etc.

nharmon91

04-10-07, 04:40 PM

I still dont think DTS:HD is confirmed on the 605 though TrueHD is.

DaveFi

04-10-07, 04:49 PM

604 is a nice receiver though and a refurb can be found through Shop.com (eCost) for $275 after $25 off coupon. I just got mine yesterday and by the look of it, it's brand new.

Don't be afraid of buying Onkyo refurb products. I know people say eCost is iffy, but in the end you're really dealing with Onkyo anyways and they offer excellent customer support. I figure in a year I'm going to upgrade to the Onkyo 606 or a refurb 605 anyways...

So far in the day I've owned it I'm very impressed with the 604.

nharmon91

04-10-07, 04:50 PM

Looks like the DTS:HD MA posts were there since I last caught up with the thread. 605 here I come, what a steal that thing is. If it has LFE issues or will only decode 5.1 LPCM I'll have to eat my words.

zoro

04-10-07, 08:12 PM

Sketcha

04-10-07, 08:42 PM

you send it back !!
Agreed. There should be no excuse for a 1.3 receiver to not handle LFE and 7.1. They've had plenty of time to get this shite worked out.

dlconner

04-19-07, 05:14 PM

Onkyo 604: $400
Velodyne Front Row 5.0 Speakers: $200
BC H-100 Subwoofer: $250
Total (before cables): $850

I and several others here have this combination based on individual reviews here at this website for each component. You will REALLY enjoy your surround system if you choose these, no doubt. I've had it for two weeks and am loving every Blu-ray/DVD movie playback I feed it. Here are some threads on the speakers and subwoofer:

Velodyne speakers (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=713913)
BIC H-100 sub woofer (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=794393&highlight=BIC)

A few questions for you audio buffs out there. Firstly, the Velodyne front row set is only in white now...I need black. Is there another speaker set that is comparable in quality/price, and black? Also, I would like a smaller subwoofer, as I would like to not overpower the rest of the components with a large box. Any suggestions there? As for the Onkyo, I am going to swap it out for the 605 when I take the plunge, but am having troubles putting together a nice set for a similar price to the one above, (all black of course).

Dustin

Dan Hitchman

04-19-07, 06:47 PM

Try **********. Their budget X-Series is quite popular. Not in black, but the speakers are so good looking you won't mind. Their reasonably priced X-Series towers are coming soon, or they also have some sweet looking rosewood Rockets or Reference bookshelves that are all well received. I would buy the speakers a few at a time if your budget is limited or you'll wind up with some pretty narly quality and you'll be itching to upgrade sooner than you realize.

Speakers should be the LARGEST part of your budget, then the amplifier(s), then everything else.

Dan Hitchman

04-19-07, 07:14 PM

Actually, I lied. The X-series is getting an update to satin black by the end of the month. Nice looking stuff! There's more talk about the different lines on their forum.

Dan

Jiffylush

04-20-07, 09:05 AM

dlconner

04-20-07, 09:34 AM

Thanks Dan,

I will take a look at them. Black is the preferred color, as it passes the WAF ;) , (compliments my glossy black 5070HD and Bell-O stand better).

immikeulate

04-21-07, 09:06 PM

I think I decided on the Denon 887 but I have 2 questions before I take the plunge.

1. On some descriptions for the review is says 1080i switching for 1080p sources. Does that mean the receiver can’t output in 1080p making it pointless for my 1080p TV.

2. I have a 7.1 setup so would the receiver matrix the rear channels on 5.1 pcm sources so I’ll have rear sound?

Utahred1981

04-27-07, 05:09 PM

I am currently looking at a couple of a/v receivers that can process LPCM via HDMI from my PS3. One is the Sony STR-DG1000,the other is a DENON AVR-2807,the Sony has HDMI 1.2a and the Denon is just HDMI 1.1.

Is there any difference between the two "standards"? Will they both pass the PCM signal over HDMI? Is one better at it than the other? :confused:

dildatonr

04-28-07, 10:10 AM

They both pass lossless audio. The 2807 is a much nicer AVR.

eightninesuited

04-28-07, 11:12 AM

I just bought the Yamaha 6060. I was going to wait for the 1.3 receivers but decided to get the 6060 because for the money it can't be beat. The power section and DSP modes are superior to Onkyo's 605 or 705 model, and that was the one I was looking at.

I figured: Hey my PS3 has Dolby True HD. For DTS MA, I'm happy to get 1.5mbps for now, and the receiver's quality will make up for it. Yamaha's surround modes are the best in the business and this amp is pretty much a hybrid of the 659 and the V1700.

KenjiWB

04-29-07, 11:45 PM

Guess I should have done a little more searching before buying a 5.1 set hehe. I recently purchased a 1080p 60" sony HDTV to take full advantage of my PS3 (both for movies and games), and for some reason I thought optical audio was superior to HDMI I and settled on the Onkyo HT-S590S, which I still think is incredible price-to-performance (not an audiophile, was hard enough to convince to wife to spend triple digits on "speakers" lol).

So by optical cable am I only gettin 2.1 from my PS3? Or is it only 2.1 with 'lossless audio'? I guess its prolly not such a big deal if I havent noticed it yet (cleary a rookie with home theater lol), but I would prolly prefer to have actual 5.1 with lower quality sound that better sounding 2.1 out of 4 speakers @_@

WriteSimple

04-30-07, 01:22 AM

So by optical cable am I only gettin 2.1 from my PS3? Or is it only 2.1 with 'lossless audio'? I guess its prolly not such a big deal if I havent noticed it yet (cleary a rookie with home theater lol), but I would prolly prefer to have actual 5.1 with lower quality sound that better sounding 2.1 out of 4 speakers @_@ You can only get stereo for uncompressed PCM via optical, or lossy 5.1 via optical.

Since what you bought is a HT set, you can't really return it, and there really is no value in selling just the receiver either. Hopefully you didn't pay too much for it. Enjoy it until the next upgrade.

fuad

Dan Hitchman

04-30-07, 01:46 AM

Fettastic

04-30-07, 10:32 AM

I smell a receiver upgrade in, oh, say a month or two!! :D When you start hearing from those lucky few who bought new HDMI 1.3 receivers with Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master Audio decoding and they're crowing about the sweet sound... you'll be itching for a new one!

Enjoy your new toy... for a little while at least. :)
I think it will be quite awhile before DTS MA decoding is available. I'm not sure if HDMI 1.3 is required to pass it.

I have TrueHD decoding already in my PS3.

Utahred1981

04-30-07, 06:03 PM

Is HDMI 1.3 really worth justifing spending hundreds of dollars on new equipment? Equipment that's just going to be outdated less than 2 years from when you bought it?

KenjiWB

04-30-07, 07:23 PM

You can only get stereo for uncompressed PCM via optical, or lossy 5.1 via optical.

Since what you bought is a HT set, you can't really return it, and there really is no value in selling just the receiver either. Hopefully you didn't pay too much for it. Enjoy it until the next upgrade.

fuad

Yea I just bought it for $150 refurb through shoponkyo, like I said I was lucky enough to talk the wife into 5.1 period after dropping over 3 grand on a new TV/matching stand plus my PS3 lol.

Dan Hitchman

04-30-07, 08:15 PM

DaveFi

04-30-07, 10:13 PM

Fettastic,

Right now, for both formats you need HDMI 1.3 to get DTS Master Audio (as in... not an option). There are NO players with this on board. Starting in May all new receivers with DTS MA decoding are coming out, starting with the Onkyo 605.

On some receivers you get DeepColor support, auto lip synch, and other features of HDMI 1.3 as well.I just noticed the 605 and 705 will not offer digital output which is a must for me, since I use it to drive my Pioneer Dolby Digital wireless headphones. What a bummer. I don't understand the logic of offering it on the 604 and then offering it on the 805 and up?

I guess if I'll have to hope Sony keeps their promise and upgrades the PS3 to 1.3 and decodes DTS advanced codecs internally.

REFLEX

05-01-07, 09:15 PM

I am super happy with my Yamaha 1700, my friend who wants something cheaper needs to know if the unit he is looking for will handle Uncompressed PCM 5.1 and beyond from his PS3 via HDMI.... he is looking at the Sony STR-DG1000 unit... I told him to get something other than a Sony receiver but this is what he wants.... if it handles TrueHd/Uncompressed PCM. etc.... via HDMI.

Anyone can confirm its abilities? Do we know?

Utahred1981

05-02-07, 11:38 AM

Fettastic

05-02-07, 03:17 PM

nharmon91

05-02-07, 03:39 PM

The PS3 has 1.3 doesn't it? It still needs an update to decode DTS MA. I have no idea if that will ever happen of course.
XA2 has it also

Elbie

05-02-07, 06:18 PM

Well, I am looking to get a home theatre set soon, but I don't want to spend like $1000 bucks lol.

So I should wait until the PS3 get's 1.3 to get full advantage of audio?

REFLEX

05-02-07, 06:31 PM

According to Sony's Website and Crutchfield the DG1000 should be able to do all of those features he wants.

Thank you very much. :cool:

sanderdvd

05-03-07, 02:41 AM

Well, I am looking to get a home theatre set soon, but I don't want to spend like $1000 bucks lol.

So I should wait until the PS3 get's 1.3 to get full advantage of audio?

No, not needed. Wait untill the PS3 can decode DTS-master and than you're good to go for the future.

Utahred1981

05-04-07, 05:12 PM

No, not needed. Wait untill the PS3 can decode DTS-master and than you're good to go for the future.

maybe the foreseeable future,standards are always changing and it's almost impossible to keep up. :D

Utahred1981

05-07-07, 02:58 PM

Onkyo is releasing HDMI 1.3 Receivers this May,here is one of them:

http://www.us.onkyo.com/model.cfm?m=TX-SR605&class=Receiver&p=i :D

duvy56

05-11-07, 07:58 PM

No, not needed. Wait untill the PS3 can decode DTS-master and than you're good to go for the future.

Does anybody know when this will happen?

Jiffylush

05-12-07, 10:36 AM

Does anybody know when this will happen?

No one here knows, I hope someone at Sony does.

Kryptonick

05-12-07, 11:16 PM

Speaking of the PS3 and lossless audio, I just got my Sony DG810 this week, so far I have watched The Terminator, Identity, and a little bit of House of Flying Daggers in PCM 5.1. (I love BBO)

If anyone has any questions about the 810 feel free to ask.

side note:

I have the Westinghouse LVM-42W2 with the PS3 HDMI sync issues and this has been taken care of by the 810.

I also use a TiVo S3 over HDMI and it works great with the 810 as well.

How happy are you with your purchase?
Does the 810 accurately take care of the sync issue? I know that Sony has been advertisting this technology, I just want to hear your experience with it.

Jiffylush

05-12-07, 11:28 PM

How happy are you with your purchase?
Does the 810 accurately take care of the sync issue? I know that Sony has been advertisting this technology, I just want to hear your experience with it.

I am very happy with it, it does take care of the sync issue. It hasn't happened once since I hooked it up.

Filipinoyakuza

05-13-07, 08:35 AM

Just wondering if anyone in here has taken the plunge and has bought Sony's top of the line receiver the Sony STR DA5200ES.I saw the video review on CNET.com and was in awe of how it has the PS3 type crossbar GUI.I've basicaly have narrowed my decision in selecting this model or the Onkyo TX-SR674 (black), and the Sony STR-DG1000.

My current setup right now is:

TV: Sony 34" CRT XBR960
Blu-Ray Player: PS3 60GB

I would really like to hear from people who currently or recently bought any of these 3 receivers and also have it hooked to a PS3.

Elbie

05-14-07, 07:55 AM

Ok I am at work right now and priced the ones that we sell and well it's between the.

Yamaha RX-V661 (cheapest)
Sony STRDG1000
Denon AVR2307CI
V1700 (most expensive)

In you all's opinion, which are the best and which one would be the worst? Well not worst, but create the most issues for the PS3.

BenjaminG

05-14-07, 08:19 AM

Ive used the STRDA5200ES and I gotta say in a few weeks when I get the cash, Im buying it. Glorious amplifier.

Elbie

05-15-07, 04:56 PM

Yeah, I think I am going to go with the STRDG1000.

imuesmail

06-04-07, 07:49 PM

Jefftaz

06-04-07, 07:54 PM

I have the Yamaha RX-V661 and love it. Plenty of power to drive my full size 6.1 system and PCM is amazing.

imuesmail

06-04-07, 08:45 PM

Thanks, I will place Yamaha RX-V661 at the top of my list for research. More recommendations, please
Thanks,

ajamils

06-04-07, 09:25 PM

I have a PS3 with firmware 1.8. I don't need any upscaling or upconverting receiver.
I don't want a HDMI 1.3 receiver. I don't want future proof stuff.
I want LOSSLESS audio 5.1 ( please, I don't want an expensive 7.1 solution)

1)please recommend a receiver that will allow 1080P passthrough yet decode LOSSLESS audio via HDMI.
2) pre-outs would be very nice.

( I am not lazy---I have read so many threads and posts that my head is spinning. Everybody faults something that is not important to me. If your recommendation is an HDMI 1.3 receiver, don't bother. I will ask for that advice in 6 months).

Budget: less than $400.

Thank You. My head is spinning. Help, really!!!

Gasdoc

For your requirements Onkyo 604 would be ideal. I purchased refurb Onkyo 604 from ecost.com and love it. Even though its a refurb, you can't tell the difference..everything was like BRAND NEW...even the remote was packed and came with batteries and best of all its won't cost you more than $300 :)

imuesmail

06-04-07, 09:44 PM

Thanks,
I will place the Onkyo 604 together with the Yamaha 661.

ecost is currently out of stock for the refurb 604, but I will keep an eye out for it. I think potential 605 buyers are jumping all over the refurb 604.

please keep the suggestions coming.

gasdoc

lgans316

06-04-07, 11:40 PM

Can the PS3 output standard 5.1ch via Optical Output irrespective of the disc Audio formats ?

Dolby Digital Plus
Dolby True HD
Uncompressed PCM (5.1 / 71.)
DTS HD Master Audio

ajamils

06-05-07, 08:34 AM

Can the PS3 output standard 5.1ch via Optical Output irrespective of the disc Audio formats ?

Dolby Digital Plus

Yes

Dolby True HD
No
Uncompressed PCM (5.1 / 71.)
You'll only get 2.1 with optical cable because of the bandwidth restrictions.
DTS HD Master Audio
No

SheepFactory

06-11-07, 11:37 PM

I am audio retarded so excuse me if this is a lame question.

I just got a Sony HTDDW990 today (picking it up tomorrow)

http://www.sonystyle.ca/commerce/servlet/ProductDetailDisplay?storeId=10001&langId=-1&catalogId=10001&productId=1003747

Would I be able to use pcm with this setup through HDMI?

Thanks so much in advance.

eightninesuited

06-11-07, 11:40 PM

SheepFactory

06-11-07, 11:48 PM

No. It says clearly that it's a HDMI video passthrough.

So I wouldnt get any audio from it through HDMI?

SheepFactory

06-12-07, 10:22 AM

Anyone? I bought a hdmi cable yesterday which is still unopened so if I cant use it I would rather return it.

jewing1043

06-12-07, 12:59 PM

it mentions nothing about audio in the ad

sorry

Utahred1981

06-12-07, 04:05 PM

jajoyce

06-14-07, 01:32 AM

I am returning my 604 tomorrow as i bought it 2 weeks ago and picking up the 605:) I also just bought a ps3 and a 42 in 1080p hdtv so if anyone needs to know anything let me know and I can hook it up and see whats going on. I use the bose acoustimass 10 series or whatever

jajoyce

06-14-07, 01:41 AM

PS Anyone know where I can buy this 605?

EDIT: Nevemind CC has it on sale for $459 which is cheaper then my 604 which was 479 and I know i spent way more for it than i should have but its all good now!!:)

cnickersonjr

06-14-07, 02:17 AM

Thanks, I will place Yamaha RX-V661 at the top of my list for research. More recommendations, please
Thanks,
I just scored a Yamaha V661 ($350 :eek: ) from another forum member. Now I need to score a PS3

bommai

06-14-07, 09:14 AM

I know that Onkyo has released their 605 and 805 receivers recently. I know they are currently the only ones that are HDMI 1.3 compliant. How does the audio quality compare to the other a/v receivers out there like Harmon Kardon,Sony,Yamaha,etc.??

Several people were underwhelmed with the sound quality of the 605. I bought the H/K 247 and it rocked. It sounded better than even the Onkyo 804. So, I think while the Onkyo's might have better features, for pure sound quality, the H/K is hard to beat.

degas

06-14-07, 09:21 AM

I just scored a Yamaha V661 ($350 :eek: ) from another forum member. Now I need to score a PS3
Got a Yamaha 661 recently myself.
It's an excellent companion to the PS3!

:)

Sketcha

06-14-07, 11:10 AM

I use the bose acoustimass 10 series or whatever
Shhhhh ;)

Well, at least now we know what to recommend for your next upgrade. :)

eightninesuited

06-14-07, 11:27 AM

Several people were underwhelmed with the sound quality of the 605.

That comes as no surprise. Think about it: Onkyo is offering the 1080p pass, with advanced codec decoding for the same price as the 604 last year. Something has to give.

Anyone confused about what amp they should buy - just get the Yamaha 661. It sounds great and will work for you until all this HDMI 1.3 hoopla settles down next year if you choose to upgrade.

Utahred1981

06-14-07, 05:17 PM

That comes as no surprise. Think about it: Onkyo is offering the 1080p pass, with advanced codec decoding for the same price as the 604 last year. Something has to give.

Anyone confused about what amp they should buy - just get the Yamaha 661. It sounds great and will work for you until all this HDMI 1.3 hoopla settles down next year if you choose to upgrade.

Yeah and watch happens next year,a new "standard" comes out,haha! It honestly doesn't matter which a/v receiver I purchase now or in the future until the PS3 enables the HD Audio Formats I'm not going to buy a new receiver. I might as well get the new Samsung Dual Format Player when it comes out this X-mas. :D

amiga_man

06-21-07, 10:21 PM

It honestly doesn't matter which a/v receiver I purchase now or in the future until the PS3 enables the HD Audio Formats I'm not going to buy a new receiver.

I don't know what you own now, but let me tell you this....I just upgraded to the 605 a/v receiver, 6 cheap speakers, nice powered subwoofer and a couple of DTS-HA MA movies and all I can say is...OMG...you just don't know what you are missing right now buddy. Well, actually I only know what I've been missing.

Enjoying it what I have right now and it's hard to imagine that it will get even better when I can get some better speakers.

Garman

06-21-07, 10:27 PM

cnickersonjr

06-21-07, 10:27 PM

I don't know what you own now, but let me tell you this....I just upgraded to the 605 a/v receiver, 6 cheap speakers, nice powered subwoofer and a couple of DTS-HA MA movies and all I can say is...OMG...you just don't know what you are missing right now buddy. Well, actually I only know what I've been missing.

Enjoying it what I have right now and it's hard to imagine that it will get even better when I can get some better speakers.
Same here. I purchased the rival Yamaha V661. I have my old 5.1 HTIB speakers hooked into them. This combined with the HD Audio, great match. It'll be a perfect match when I upgrade the speakers. :D

Utahred1981

07-02-07, 10:09 AM

I know the Sony HTD-DW995 "HTIB" just came out and I heard that it can proccess the audio via HDMI.it's not just "passthrough". Can anybody confirm this?

rhunnicutt

07-09-07, 10:43 AM

amiga_man

07-10-07, 02:29 PM

Hey guys, I have a question. I have a PS3 running HDMI into a Sony STR-DG1000 then HDMI into my TV. I only have one blu-ray disc, Open Season. My question is this, the dg1000 shows it is receiving LPCM and the multi-channel audio light is on but I am only getting sound out of my center channel. I tried running a Gladiator DVD and the same thing happens. If I watch a 5.1 show from my DVR (8300hd hooked up the same way) I do get surround sound. Any thoughts? I am new to all of this audio stuff and blu-ray. Thanks!

Gee buddy, you need to break out your Sony manual. It could be a couple of different things.

1. See if your Sony has some type of speaker setup/test option.
2. Check your PS3 Audio options for (automatic) and try Bitstream vs. LPCM.
3. Check to see what audio option you select on the BD movie, try DD 5.1.

Read your manuals, that's how you understand what you have and how to use what you have.

MarekM

07-10-07, 02:35 PM

I don't know what you own now, but let me tell you this....I just upgraded to the 605 a/v receiver, 6 cheap speakers, nice powered subwoofer and a couple of DTS-HA MA movies and all I can say is...OMG...you just don't know what you are missing right now buddy. Well, actually I only know what I've been missing.

Enjoying it what I have right now and it's hard to imagine that it will get even better when I can get some better speakers.

what player are you using ? because PS3 will not yet output DTS-HD MAASTER...

thanx for info,
Marek

Was_There_Then

07-12-07, 01:12 AM

R Miyashiro

07-12-07, 06:27 AM

Pioneer Elite 84txs? I have this model not sure if it will do Dolby True HD etc... I got something about a firmware update though... So maybe it will.....

Ah, I don't think any of the current Pioneers will do this but these will...

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/press/release/detail/0,,2076_310069589_441424387,00.html

I considered replacing my Elite 53TX with the 84TX last year, but decided to wait for the 2007 receivers since they have HDMI 1.3 and will decode DTS MA and Dolby HD. For now I'm using the good old six cable (I wish it had 8 since the Elite accommodate 7.1) solution with my Toshiba and wimpy old Toslink for the PS3. I would imagine that decent receivers will do at least a good job decoding the audio as a DVD player and have traditionally sent bit stream signals to my Elite from my standard definition DVD players. I'm not counting on Sony to have internal DTS HD MA decoding.

It's just as well that I put the receiver on hold since going format neutral, and buying a video processor didn't leave me with any cash for a receiver anyways. I have the feeling that many early adopters spent more in the last 12 months than normal.

drivendriver

07-12-07, 06:57 AM

When listening to a CD on the PS3 is there a way to force the 2.1 output to play on all of the speakers in a 5.1 set-up? Is this a case of changing the output in the PS3 settings or will it only output on 2.1 speakers?

I have a PS3 and an Onkyo 605. The only solution I have found is quite cumbersome:

1 - Deselect all the multi-channel PCM options in the PS3's output formats. Stereo sound coming out of PS3 will then be correctly identified as stereo by the receiver.

2 - Use the receiver to expand stereo to 5.1 (using Dolby ProLogic, for example).

As long as you have 5.1 PCM or 7.1 PCM in the list of PS3 output formats, receivers will see any PCM sound coming out of PS3 as 5.1 or 7.1 PCM, even if only two channels actually contain data. I believe this is a PS3 issue.

Of course, if you use this solution, the PS3 won't output 5.1 PCM when playing a Blu Ray disc.

Canary_Jules

07-12-07, 07:41 AM

I've read alot of the pages of this thread and now I'm confused. Basically, I have an HD-A1 and am about to buy a PS3 as well. I currently have a Denon 1906 receiver with 7.1 speakers but obviously this would have to go. So what is the cheapest way to get uncompressed 7.1 sound from the PS3? Will the Onkyo 604 or the Yamaha 661 do this?

Canary_Jules

07-12-07, 08:25 AM

Okay, I read some more threads and I think I'm correct in saying that the 604 can't do 7.1 uncompressed but the 661 can. Am I right? So that would make the 661 my best bet?

Utahred1981

07-12-07, 10:35 AM

I just recently purchased the Sony HTDDW995,it can output the legacy audio formats over HDMI,DD and DTS when the PS3 is set to bitstream. If I chose pcm it only shows as 2 channel PCM. Am I right to assume I would have to test it with a blu ray disc that actually had a 5.1 PCM soundtrack on it?

I'd appreciate your guys' expertise. :)

PioManiac

07-12-07, 11:02 AM

My 661 plays up to 7.1 LPCM (on Bluray) Crank and the Decent,
and both PS3 games I own (Resistance Fall of Man, and Motorstorm)
via my PS3 over HDMI set to PCM, with all audio options enabled.

I can also layer Dolby PLIIx on any 5.1 signal (HDTV,HD DVD,SD DVD, or Bluray)
to expand the left/right surrounds to the two rear surround channels,
OR enable the extra channels to be played on my front presence speakers with a couple clicks on the remote :D

I LOVE my RX-V661 !!!

with 9 Mission speakers and a Kick@ss 12" Velodyne Sub
I'm in High Def Heaven!

marcus91821

07-12-07, 12:59 PM

PioManiac

07-12-07, 01:19 PM

i got a really newb question but with something like the Yamaha V661, what kinds of speakers can i use? i got a set of 5.1 speakers from a home theatre system thats like 4 years old lol how bad will that be for a temp set?

Will they handle 90 watts?,
if not, just dont crank her up to reference levels and you'll be fine. ;)

Canary_Jules

07-12-07, 04:26 PM

BlueMan1

07-12-07, 10:52 PM

OK: Here is my current (pathetic) setup.

I have a Sony 32" XBR CRT 1080i TV (will upgrade to 1080p within the next 2 years probably)
A cheap @$$ Sony 5.1 HT-DDW670 Home Theater in a Box System
A Yamaha YST-SW45 Powered Sub (works fine even though it was through a 4 inch flood)
An Oppo DV-970HD DVD Player
Comcast cable box with Component Video & Optical out
PS3
Xbox 360
REALLY CRAPPY MadCatz component video switcher
Annoying POS Optcal switch
CABLES GOING EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!

Here's what I want to do:
Replace the HTiaB receiver with a HDMI PCM capable receiver (5.1 is FINE for me)
Hook up my PS3 through HDMI and be able to hear 5.1 lossless (can this be done?)
360 and cable hookup through Component & Dig optical

What would be your $500.00 or so recommendations? I'm thinking Onkyo 605

joe_six_pack

07-12-07, 11:03 PM

^^

My opinion onkyo 605. Check out the dedicated thread in the receivers section
though. Try getting a PHONE quote from J&R. They could probably get it to you cheaper than B&Ms or other web retaiers.

Edit: lol I see you edited your post.

underonesun

07-15-07, 11:55 PM

2007 Models

- Pioneer Elite 91, 92, 94THX (THD + DTSMA)
- Onkyo SR 805 (probably the BEST Value for you dollar under $1000) (THD + DTSMA), a bit more and you can get the more impressive 875.
- Yamaha V881
-Denon 2808 (THD + DTSMA)
-Harman Kardon 347, 745

Since the OP is from a while ago, any new receivers that should be considered?

Dankir

07-16-07, 05:48 PM

So here is my question. I'm currently planning to upgrade my a/v reciever from a Onkyo TX-SR602 to the newer 605 model. I have the SKS-HT240 system with a matching rear speaker to make it a 7.1 system.

Now regarding the 605 I've read that this can't perform surround processing on PCM digital sources. So my question is that if I'm playing a blu ray movie on my PS3 (over hdmi ) thats outputting 5.1 PCM audio is there no way that the 605 will be able to ouput the audio to all 7 speakers? Like if I'm feeding it a 7.1 PCM source ( Resistance ) only then it will ouput over all 7 speakers right? I know the Onkyo 805 doesn't have this issue, I'm on the fence between both models.

My next dilemma is ( asides from the big jump in price from the 605 -> 805 ) that my Onkyo speakers (SKS-HT240) can handle a Max of 100 Watts. Whereas the 805 maxes out 130W per channel. I know this is a pretty noobish question but I honestly don't know the answer. Would my speakers like uhh you know "explode" if I hooked up the 805 to them?

Just a question about my 360 HD DVD as player as well. I have a premium system and I'm not familiar with its audio capabilities. How is it possible to get DTS-HD or Dolby HD? At the moment I have my 360 outputting over optical. Would I need to get an elite system and use its hdmi port?

I understand the 605 price is too good to beat and will most likely be my best choice

Thanks for all the help

ChromeZombiez

07-19-07, 07:21 PM

ppshooky

07-19-07, 07:35 PM

Are any of those receivers listed in the first post no higher than 5"? My media console has some slim shelves, and I believe I can't get anything bigger than 4.75" tall.

richlo

07-19-07, 08:22 PM

Got some questions to know if I should upgrade or not...

Currently I have a 6.1 receiver for DTS-ES/Dolby EX. I have lately been watching lots of blu-ray flix. Is it worth it to upgrade to a HDMI receiver? Will that effect my 1080p video output? Will PCM 5.1 output make such a difference in my audio theater gig (notice there are few PCM 7.1 movies)?

Set your ouput to PCM instead of bitstream..and let your receiver do its work..I find that i LOVE listening it this way instead of bitstream much more robust..so to me its not worth it..plus I love my Pioneer Elite 47tx, they done make them like that anymore and I have it paired up with a Cinenova Grande 3 channel driving the front...I am just not buying any receiver at this time and will hold out for a while..

chartwel

07-19-07, 08:40 PM

ChromeZombiez

07-20-07, 02:13 PM

Set your ouput to PCM instead of bitstream..and let your receiver do its work..I find that i LOVE listening it this way instead of bitstream much more robust..so to me its not worth it..plus I love my Pioneer Elite 47tx, they done make them like that anymore and I have it paired up with a Cinenova Grande 3 channel driving the front...I am just not buying any receiver at this time and will hold out for a while..

If I set it to PCM instead of bitstream then I would be getting 2ch PCM over optical. In that case would'nt it be better to hit the DTS-ES/Dolby EX mark?

However my question remains will upgrading to an HDMI receiver with hitting PCM 5.1 much of a noticable difference than DTS-ES/Dolby EX?

BlueMan1

07-20-07, 10:04 PM

I previously had my eye on an Onkyo 605. I'm a little strapped for cash at the moment.
I have a 5.1 setup and do not plan on adding any speakers. I have a PS3 and Oppo I would like to hook up via HDMI. My 360 and Cable box are fine being hooked up via component.

Will I be disappointed if I get the Sony DG850?

superrober

07-20-07, 11:36 PM

Hello
I would lOVE to experience hd sound with my 46v2500 but I have an old 5.1 Panasonic system. The reciever is connected to the ps3 with optical and also connected to the subwoffer. The subwoffer is connected to all the speakers.
IS it possible to replace only the reciever to a reciever that offers hd sound with hdmi?

Elbie

07-26-07, 08:15 PM

Alright, I am finally going to purchase a Receiver.

I know that I have posted in this thread before, but should Onkyo TX-SR605 be the one to go with?

Dahlsim

08-05-07, 04:28 AM

AxlVanHagar

08-06-07, 08:15 AM

Hello gang,

Hopefully someone may be able to shed some light on my problem. Upon reading this thread I went out and picked up a Yamaha 6060 so I could finally experience the lossless audio. I have the PS3 hooked up to the reciever via a Monster 400 HDMI cable. From the receiver I am running an HDMI to DVI cable to my Panasonic PT-AE500U as that projo does not have an HDMI in sadly.

The problem is I can not get any video image on screen. Well not entirely true I do get a lovely static image of "colored snow" for lack of a better description. I can only assume that some sort of information is being passed but is running into a problem somewhere. I have tried a few things, unplugging all the equipment before connection, changing connections etc but to no avail. Could it be an imcompatability of the cables? The HDMI to DVI is a "no name" brand from what I recall and it is about 3 years old while the HDMI cable was purchased yesterday. Have I forgotten something in the settings? The PS3 is running in 720p since that is the projectors native resolution. According to the manual for the receiver I should "Use a conversion cable (HDMI jack <--> DVI-D jack) to convert this unit to other DVI connections." Would that be different from the cable I currently have possibly?

Overall I'm pleased with the receiver as it is a huge step up from the one I had previously, it was around 10 years old. Just a little frustrated that I am unable to get it to do what I want it to. Hopefully someone else has experienced this and can help me out.

yuyuyu98

08-06-07, 11:11 AM

I just bought a Marantz 4001 relatively cheaply in Hong Kong (2850hkd = 365) which passes uncompressed PCM through HDMI. BHD sounds incredible....so much better than regular DD. Worth the upgrade to BR just for the improvement in sound. (previously used denon 3801). Not sure about 1080p, since I'm still using component to my older Sony 36" CRT (1080i max).

Can anyone confirm whether the 4001 can pass 1080p in case I upgrade my tv in 6-9 months?

I have the SR4001 as well. It passes 1080p perfectly to my lcd.

ps. Hong Kong is the place to be. :cool:

tgable

08-06-07, 11:43 AM

Do any of these receivers have an issue doing HDMI and HDMI->DVI out?

dsanders16

08-14-07, 02:03 PM

So, does the Sony STR-DG910/810 Process the audio from the HDMI or is it passthrough?

Jiffylush

08-14-07, 03:15 PM

So, does the Sony STR-DG910/810 Process the audio from the HDMI or is it passthrough?

The 810 and 910 process the audio from HDMI.

I use the 810 and the only connections I use are HDMI from my TiVo S3, and PS3.

I am very happy with the 810.

curtishd

08-14-07, 06:14 PM

The 810 and 910 process the audio from HDMI.

I use the 810 and the only connections I use are HDMI from my TiVo S3, and PS3.

I am very happy with the 810.

Can your 810 pass 1080p and can it pass 1080/24p?
Also, while passing 1080p can it pass LPCM at full bitrate?

Conan450

08-15-07, 03:11 PM

hey guys, im looking for the best receiver for my setup and after reading most of this thread im still confused on what to go with, im replacing a cheap HTIB receiver/dvd player (only time i could ever get 5.1 surround was with a dvd or cd). It needs to be 1080p compatible and id like to keep the price as low as possible, ive got a 5 speaker setup with an older kenwood powered sub, any suggestions would be awesome, thanks

cawgijoe

08-15-07, 03:22 PM

Jiffylush

08-15-07, 05:30 PM

Can your 810 pass 1080p and can it pass 1080/24p?
Also, while passing 1080p can it pass LPCM at full bitrate?

It does pass 1080p, it does pass 1080p and playback LPCM at full bitrate (afaik, display says PCM 48)

Not sure about the 24p, I assume it does, but afaik my display (LVM-42W2) doesn't support it, so I can't be sure.

hockeynut

08-15-07, 10:08 PM

I have an 810. Price is really good for having three HDMI inputs. This is my first receiver that has allowed me to get my first taste of HD audio. I'm quite pleased with it. Sorry, I'm not sure about passing 24 either. I sure hope it does, as my next TV purchase will support 24.

robertc88

08-26-07, 04:04 PM

swifty7

08-26-07, 04:37 PM

does anybody know of a surround sound headphones which uses HDMI, I currently have DD Pioneer surroundsound headphones with both optical and digital inputs.

white_knight

09-18-07, 08:58 AM

I've been told that my existing HTIB 5.1 speakers would not be sufficient to hear the full effect of PCM tracks via a receiver such as the Onkyo 605 (just as an example)?

....So, my question is, what kind of speakers would be? :confused:

elonepb

09-18-07, 10:36 AM

HOOPY

09-18-07, 02:23 PM

Can your 810 pass 1080p and can it pass 1080/24p?
Also, while passing 1080p can it pass LPCM at full bitrate?

i have the 910 and it passes through 1080p/24 from my ps3 through to my projector as well as the full audio and it works very well.

sonypete

09-21-07, 09:53 PM

I'm not bashing the Onkyos, but I'm not sure why anyone would get one at this point when they know they don't support above 5.1 PCM, especially when you have a 6.1 or 7.1 setup. That is unless you're rich and want to get a new receiver every year.

Wait a minute, I believe this is incorrect Jayrader. Guys isn't the TX-SR605 capable of doing 7.1 PCM?? I have heard it can from multiple sources and just want to clarify this now before picking the 605 up soon.

arbitrage000

09-21-07, 10:13 PM

Wait a minute, I believe this is incorrect Jayrader. Guys isn't the TX-SR605 capable of doing 7.1 PCM?? I have heard it can from multiple sources and just want to clarify this now before picking the 605 up soon.

605 can't matrix 5.1 to 7.1 with PCM. I think it can accept 7.1 PCM from PS3 games like Lair, RFOM and F1. 705, 805, 875, 905 can matrix 5.1 to 7.1. There are no 7.1 movies so unless you're only into PS3 games then get a 705. You also get a 3rd HDMI input, THX certification, 2nd zone and other things over the 605. People have been getting the 705 for around $600 with sales+coupons.

giantchicken

09-22-07, 01:37 AM

So what are the odds of the Onkyo 605 coming back into stock at Amazon?

The one they have now is being sold by an outside seller called 6ave. If they start selling them again and it's eligible for Amazon Prime then I will pick one up.

elonepb

09-22-07, 03:27 PM

The AVR 247 is only $354 right now... certainly for anyone on a budget, that's gotta be the best bang for the buck right now.

zoro

09-22-07, 03:30 PM

605 can't matrix 5.1 to 7.1 with PCM. I think it can accept 7.1 PCM from PS3 games like Lair, RFOM and F1. 705, 805, 875, 905 can matrix 5.1 to 7.1. There are no 7.1 movies so unless you're only into PS3 games then get a 705. You also get a 3rd HDMI input, THX certification, 2nd zone and other things over the 605. People have been getting the 705 for around $600 with sales+coupons.

that is the greatest negative for this receiver imho

JTH182

09-22-07, 06:27 PM

Just for clarification purposes before I pluck down the bucks for the Onyko 605, I can make a "component" connection to my display from the PS3 and utilize 1080i which is the highest resolution available on my display and make an HDMI connection to this Onkyo receiver from the PS3 and I'll get lossless audio from the applicable discs that have this audio capability?

TIA! I'm in if this works.

I emailed Onkyo and they told me if you go HDMI from the PS3 to the 605 that you HAVE to go HDMI from the 605 to the TV.

I'm not sure if you can use both component (for video) and HDMI (for audio) at the same time as you're suggesting... I'd like to hear someone's input on this.

HighdefJoe

09-23-07, 05:41 AM

sneals2000

09-23-07, 07:58 AM

I'm having the same problem with a Pioneer 1017 I bought today. It will NOT allow me to utilize component for video and hdmi audio! It's the ps3 though. It did the same with a direct connection to my 1080p JVC. If anyone is wondering, my av gear is located a good ways away from my tv and I only have component in wall.

I believe this is an HDMI issue. AIUI an HDMI source needs to be connected to an HDMI display to establish an HDCP link and allow data to flow.

Without an HDCP link negotiated (the DRM scheme that ensures a display is authorised to display the source), the Video and Audio (which are carried in the same streams - the audio is carried in horizontal and vertical blanking periods) link is not established.

AIUI amps on their own can't establish an HDCP link - they need a display to do this - so without an HDMI display connected to establish it, the HDCP link is not established, and thus no audio or video streams flow via the HDMI connection.

robertc88

09-24-07, 10:04 AM

One can make a component connection to their display from the PS3 and then run HDMI to the Onkyo 605 and get the audio. No connection is needed from the 605 to the display! Just set HDMI out to off.

I got the 605 for $399! Happy to have it for this price. This isn't the last word for audio obviously as there is much better equipment out there but I'm a happy camper!

BTW, there really needs to be a thread on avsforum about this whole issue. There are some AVRs out there that can handshake the audio without having an HDMI connection to a display from the AVR.

arbitrage000

09-24-07, 12:27 PM

fronn

09-26-07, 01:50 PM

Small update:

Amazon reduced their price on the SR505S (~220) and SR605 (~380) by about $30 monies... so if you're interested in either of them, now might be a good time to consider them.

FenixP3D

09-26-07, 02:15 PM

i was considering the 605 but will wait until samsung ht-as720 becomes available...

what's a good 5.1 speaker set for say <$300 if i were to go onkyo 605??... living in an apartment doesn't afford be a better setup so i want to stick to a more budget minded system...

HijoDeDios

10-17-07, 03:03 AM

fronn

10-17-07, 04:01 AM

trying to decide on a reciever but the more i research the more i'm lost, i'm highly considering the HK 247 or 347, but i will soon have a 60" 1080p native sony RPTV and i would like to pass my hd dvr and ps3 on one hdmi cord to the tv, with the HK recivers this would cause bad picture on the SD channels correct? would this be an issue with the sony str dg1000? the HK's are beautiful but I want full functionality over aestetics

When using 1080i/p on HDMI it just acts as a passthrough and won't affect the picture. If you connect your DVR through HDMI and have it outputting 1080i/p then the SD channels should look the same as before. If it connects through Component to the receiver and then goes through HDMI you'll get the SD scaling issues (since the DVR will scale to 720p - the max res it'll take from component while still sending through HDMI to TV - and then the tv will have to scale to 1080p).

I love my AVR 247 -- it's a beautiful receiver with fantastic SQ for the price. Has the ugliest remote I've ever seen, but it's a wonderful receiver (with a universal remote it doesn't matter though)

HijoDeDios

10-17-07, 10:22 AM

When using 1080i/p on HDMI it just acts as a passthrough and won't affect the picture. If you connect your DVR through HDMI and have it outputting 1080i/p then the SD channels should look the same as before. If it connects through Component to the receiver and then goes through HDMI you'll get the SD scaling issues (since the DVR will scale to 720p - the max res it'll take from component while still sending through HDMI to TV - and then the tv will have to scale to 1080p).

I love my AVR 247 -- it's a beautiful receiver with fantastic SQ for the price. Has the ugliest remote I've ever seen, but it's a wonderful receiver (with a universal remote it doesn't matter though)

but the SD channels aren't 1080i/p, they are probably 480, so would I then have issues?

robertc88

10-17-07, 12:19 PM

Recommendation: This whole topic should be a sticky. I understand this is a software forum but still. As more and more come aboard, they will continue to ask in separate threads about lossless with the PS3 and accessing that audio track on BDs.

Jenova

10-17-07, 12:45 PM

I was running my 360 through the 605 via component and the image looks much softer. I plugged it directly to my lcd (the digital optical out into the 605) and it looked a lot better and sharper. Does anyone have a softer looking image when it goes through the 605 via component?

could overheating degrade the PQ? I had the 605 in a tight unventilated space for a while but it never crashed.

btw, my PS3 and cable box runs through the 605 via HDMI and looks fine.

theflux

10-17-07, 01:12 PM

HijoDeDios

10-17-07, 01:36 PM

i also was curious if the HK 247 will do 7.1 PCM, basically what problems will i run into using the 247?

Jenova

10-17-07, 02:03 PM

With your 360, what resolution are you outputting to the 605?

my 360 is set to 1080p My display is also 1080p

kamspy

10-17-07, 02:57 PM

fronn

10-17-07, 03:34 PM

but the SD channels aren't 1080i/p, they are probably 480, so would I then have issues?

If you connect your DVR box through HDMI it will be fine... the DVR box will be scaling them to 1080i/p anyways (just like before), so you won't get any scaling artifacts like you potentially could if you had to run it through component -> hdmi -> TV. You'll really have to compare it yourself, as there may not be any depending on your DVR's scaling and TV's scaling.

It will get scaled once from 480i/p to 1080i/p and just look kind of ugly (as SD tends to on HDTVs)...

I haven't noticed any ugly scaling artifacts from choosing 720p on the DVR and then having the TV scale to 1080p (outside of the ugliness of 480 TV being upconverted to 1080). I have my DVR going through component and have it running in 720p and then my tv scales to 1080p (my DVR's HDMI port doesn't work). SD Looks the same as it did before on my TV.

i also was curious if the HK 247 will do 7.1 PCM, basically what problems will i run into using the 247?

As far as 7.1 PCM, I think it supports it, but I don't think it'll allow you to run a 5.1 PCM as 7.1 PCM like many other receivers.

fronn

10-17-07, 03:42 PM

I have a 3.1 set-up (I just prefer it. The surround sound is loved by all, but it distracts me.) Theater Dimensional is enough surround sound for me, there are some (few) 5.1 tracks that I liked but the majority of them actually pulled me away from the movie. I use my old rear speakers in my bedroom now.

So I have my PS3 hooked up to my Onkyo TX-SR601 via optical, does this mean I lose the dedicated sub channel when I select PCM? What setting should I have it on to maintain the dedicated sub channel?

Please PM me if you know the answer to this one. I would really appreciate it and thank you in advance o audio master:)

It'll send it as a 2.0 stereo. I'm not sure you'd necessarily lose everything when it converts it to 2.0 like you would if it did just take the L/R channels alone and send those, dialog would often be way too quiet and wouldn't sound right in that case -- I'm pretty sure it'll combine most of the sound information from the 5.1 into those 2 channels so your receiver should be able to pull out enough bass to send to the sub and dialog should sound okay. You'll have to do some comparisons to see what sounds better for you.

HijoDeDios

10-17-07, 03:47 PM

If you connect your DVR box through HDMI it will be fine... the DVR box will be scaling them to 1080i/p anyways (just like before), so you won't get any scaling artifacts like you potentially could if you had to run it through component -> hdmi -> TV. You'll really have to compare it yourself, as there may not be any depending on your DVR's scaling and TV's scaling.

It will get scaled once from 480i/p to 1080i/p and just look kind of ugly (as SD tends to on HDTVs)...

I haven't noticed any ugly scaling artifacts from choosing 720p on the DVR and then having the TV scale to 1080p (outside of the ugliness of 480 TV being upconverted to 1080). I have my DVR going through component and have it running in 720p and then my tv scales to 1080p (my DVR's HDMI port doesn't work). SD Looks the same as it did before on my TV.

As far as 7.1 PCM, I think it supports it, but I don't think it'll allow you to run a 5.1 PCM as 7.1 PCM like many other receivers.

so basically my extra 2 speakers won't be in use unless I am watching a BD or playing a game on ps3 that outputs 7.1? is this something that could be changed with firmware or is it available in the 347 or any other comparable HK unit or would i have to look elsewhere, i just can't get over the aesthetics of HK units

cpc

01-02-08, 10:59 AM

Any more news on the horizon?

jkcheng122

01-02-08, 11:04 AM

Any more news on the horizon?

news on what?

robertc88

01-02-08, 11:18 AM

^^^^

I assume what most are hoping will eventually happen with the audio for bitstream of HD Master. I bought the Panny BD30 so I can wait. If not, I may eventually sell the PS3.

cpc

01-02-08, 10:54 PM

Actually, I need PCM over HDMI 1.1 :p

ABCD

01-02-08, 11:00 PM

^^^^

I assume what most are hoping will eventually happen with the audio for bitstream of HD Master. I bought the Panny BD30 so I can wait. If not, I may eventually sell the PS3.

If it is in your budget, it would be better to avoid the PS3 and buy a player that streams DST-MA and a HDMI 1.3 receiver. As the old saying goes, "a cheque in your hand is better than 2 in the mail".

Personally, I am beginning to wonder if we will ever see internal decoding of DTS-MA by any player including the PS3 (and not due to technical reasons).

rotate928

01-10-08, 05:32 PM

Were there any new product announcements for reasonably priced receivers at CES?

almostinsane

01-10-08, 05:49 PM

Pioneer announced a few cheapies.

ooms

01-10-08, 07:35 PM

what about people who do not use a receiver, but just plug HDMI from PS3 to TV? They cant get lossless?

EricST

01-10-08, 07:38 PM

I am super super happy with my Denon 2307ci.
I have it hooked up to my Tosh A2 & PS3 and they both work great.
I got DTS sound out of The Simpsons Movie and it sounded great. But so far thats the only DTS movie i have watched yet.

wudevious

01-10-08, 09:29 PM

my 360 is set to 1080p My display is also 1080p

might be stupid, but does your tv (when you hit the display button) show 1080p on your tv (when using the component to receiver setup)? what do you run from your receiver to your tv?

KanataStrikes

01-12-08, 05:08 PM

cdhender

01-12-08, 06:38 PM

Go easy on me folks here... I haven't a bloomin' clue. :(

Anyways, I'm thinking of getting one of the these Onkyo TX-SR605 recievers (seems a good choice, no?). So how do I get this connected to my TV and PS3? Do I put a HDMI cable from my PS3 to the reciever and then a HDMI cable from the reciever to my TV?

Yep. That's how I have mine and it ....is.... AWESOME :D

What about putting my Wii and 360 into the reciever? Could I just plug an optical cable in from my 360 to reciever and it would work ok? Not sure if Wii supports optical so how would I connect that through component?

Again, yep that's how I have my 360. For ps3 I use HDMI, for 360 I use optical, it works great. I don't own a Wii so I can't help you there.

Also, what speakers would be recommended for said reciever. I'm thinking 7.1 here. Nothing to expensive but good quality all the same. Don't really like the long vertical types but whichever goes.

Thanks in advance for any help. It's worth 2 cookies. :)

I'll let someone else answer this. I bought a home theater in-a-box a few years ago (Onkyo) and while I like it, I think there are better options out there :)

Oh and try to keep it as simple as possible. I've got an headache just thinking about it.:confused:

It really is simple. That's the great thing about HDMI, it makes life easier IMO.