The Pioneer Elite BDP-HD1 has ARRIVED 12/19 --- NOW we can hear from OWNERS!

Since receiving our Pioneer Elite BDP-HD1 is just a few days away

- it seems like a good time to start a thread asking to hear from OWNERS!

I should have mine in my hands on Thurday...Will definitely let you guys know first thing!

I should have mine in my hands on Thurday...Will definitely let you guys know first thing!

Great! Anxiously awaiting your review as this is the last Blu-ray player to be released for a while (and hopefully it will be the best) :)

I should have mine in my hands on Thurday...Will definitely let you guys know first thing!

Yes - I could have had mine by Thursday - but I decided to
GO FOR Friday Delivery. I'll have it up and running on Saturday
after I finish making my Rack Mount shelf on Friday. Actually
I KNOW it will be working on Friday - Who am I kidding [GRIN]?

You guys in CA can pick it up on Wednesday.

Great! Anxiously awaiting your review as this is the last Blu-ray player to be released for a while (and hopefully it will be the best) :)

John:

Since you are in LA - just pick yours up on Wednesday and BEAT
us with YOUR Review. If you don't like it - I'm sure they have a
return policy.

Excellent thread. Should be pinned i think.

Excellent thread. Should be pinned i think.

I don't know how to PIN IT.

But I can take instructions if you know [GRIN]!

Somebody please check the boot/load times on this player. I seem to remember back in the Spring Chris Walker (Walkamo) from Pioneer mentioning the slow boot times on the Toshiba and how the Pioneer would strike a balance between speedy boot times and fast menu/chapter access. Yet the HD Guru review says it takes 1:25 to boot up with a disc already in the player, and that it takes about :34 to load a fresh disc when the player's already booted up. If true, that doesn't sound significantly faster than the G1 Toshibas to me.

I don't know how to PIN IT.

But I can take instructions if you know [GRIN]!

Well mods can do that. By the way its "Sticky" here.

Well mods can do that. By the way its "Sticky" here.

THANKS

Ok - I'm no Mod - just an average Joe [GRIN]!

See the "Report Post" icon in the left corner? That is a way to convey your request directly to a mod. They may not see your request within the thread.

See the "Report Post" icon in the left corner? That is a way to convey your request directly to a mod. They may not see your request within the thread.

THANKS - I did not KNOW THAT.

I'll give it a try.

Yes - I could have had mine by Thursday - but I decided to
GO FOR Friday Delivery. I'll have it up and running on Saturday
after I finish making my Rack Mount shelf on Friday. Actually
I KNOW it will be working on Friday - Who am I kidding [GRIN]?

You guys in CA can pick it up on Wednesday.


You sound as excited as I am. I am sure you will have it up on Friday as well...LOL! Fortunately for me I just designed and built a home theater and there is a nice empty space waiting for the Pioneer, even have the HDMI cable ran up to the empty shelp just waiting to be plugged in. This is going to be the longest 3 days!

You sound as excited as I am. I am sure you will have it up on Friday as well...LOL! Fortunately for me I just designed and built a home theater and there is a nice empty space waiting for the Pioneer, even have the HDMI cable ran up to the empty shelp just waiting to be plugged in. This is going to be the longest 3 days!

I have had the Toshiba HD DVD since March - Love it - and I have
been waiting for a 1080p24 Blu-Ray - SINCE THEN [GRIN]!

Only 5 days left to wait!

John:

Since you are in LA - just pick yours up on Wednesday and BEAT
us with YOUR Review. If you don't like it - I'm sure they have a
return policy.

Yes - I thought about that - but I'm waiting on 2 things:

1) Pioneer to confirm that they will support advanced audio codecs w/ a future firmware release.

2) CES (since it's sooooo close - might as well wait and see if any new players are announced)

Yes - I thought about that - but I'm waiting on 2 things:

Hi John:

1) Pioneer to confirm that they will support advanced audio codecs w/ a future firmware release.

2) CES (since it's sooooo close - might as well wait and see if any new players are announced)

I agree with your 100%.

I'm just guessing here.

It would seem hard to believe that Pioneer won't add codecs in some
future software upgrade - but there are no guarantees - Just FAITH.

All I know is the HD-A1 had none when I bought it in March and it was
September before the upgrade came that turned it on.

I will be at CES and I am sure we will here all kinds of things announced.
But I'll also bet - they won't deliver on those announcements until SUMMER.
That is the way MARKETING Machines work.

A nice review. Technically he is not an owner, so if I should put this somewhere else please let me know.

http://www.guidetohometheater.com/hddiscplayers/1206piobdphd1/

A nice review. Technically he is not an owner, so if I should put this somewhere else please let me know.

http://www.guidetohometheater.com/hddiscplayers/1206piobdphd1/

He had it in his possession - to Review.

Hands, Eyes and Ears!

At least he was not just reviewing the datsheet.

I have had the Toshiba HD DVD since March - Love it - and I have
been waiting for a 1080p24 Blu-Ray - SINCE THEN [GRIN]!

Only 5 days left to wait!


At least you had something in the mean time...The only thing I have had is that old technology DVD thing...LOL!

At least you had something in the mean time...The only thing I have had is that old technology DVD thing...LOL!

HD-A1's were dirt cheap.

You could have bought one and enjoyed 6 months of FUN [GRIN]!

The Pioneer is basically just the Sony with an ethernet port...We are silly for getting excited...It is just a black differently styled Sony. (But I still can't wait!)... :D Three days after I get mine I'll want something else!... :) LOL!

I like the looks of the Pioneer better than the sony so that is one more difference for me... :)

how much does it set you back?......

bring this baby on......NOW

Sorry, but I have to laugh. 23 replies in a thread for Pioneer owners ONLY, and not a single post from an owner. And yes, you are not an owner until you have a product in your hands.

The Pioneer is basically just the Sony with an ethernet port...We are silly for getting excited...It is just a black differently styled Sony. (But I still can't wait!)... :D Three days after I get mine I'll want something else!... :) LOL!

One HOPES that UNLIKE Sony - Pioneer got the software right.

If you follow the Sony Blu-Ray Thread - almost everyone is having
Freeze Ups left and right. Even Sony told someone today who returned
his - WAIT for the next model the S1.

See the Post below.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9209739&&#post9209739

Sorry, but I have to laugh. 23 replies in a thread for Pioneer owners ONLY, and not a single post from an owner. And yes, you are not an owner until you have a product in your hands.

Since I have paid in full for my HD1 and it is in Fedex's Hands
- In MY BOOK - I claim I OWN ONE. I just can't put my hands
on it YET!

I have a BDP-HD1 pre-ordered from Tweeter and also already have a Sony BDP-S1 I got from Best Buy, which with their holiday return policy, I have until 1/24/07 to return if I decide I don't want to keep it.

Since I have a Pioneer Elite PRO-FHD1 plasma and a Pioneer Elite VSX-84 TXSi receiver, I'm already biased in favor of going with the Pioneer BDP-HD1. However, if I do, it won't be because of freeze-ups or other such problems with the Sony since I have not had any with it. For those having such problems, one easy thing to try is to make sure the disc is clean, even if it just came out of its case for the first time. I learned this with my Toshiba HD-A1 and HD-DVD's, and it has certainly saved me some problems. It may not be a cure-all for the Sony, but may be worth a try.

Not saying there are or are not real problems with the Sony, just that not everyone is having them.

Many threads are NEW owner types which have 20 pages before anyone actually ever has their hands on one... It is how you create a buzz... :)

I too hope Pioneer got the firmware right given that they evidently took an extra 20-30 days to do QC on it. Remember that Chris said these units arrived in the US on 11/24. On the otherhand, the HD1 and S1 share the same Pioneer disc drive. My S1 has performed flawlessly on 5 BDs but has frozen on 5 out of 9 DVDs.

I too hope Pioneer got the firmware right given that they evidently took an extra 20-30 days to do QC on it. Remember that Chris said these units arrived in the US on 11/24. On the otherhand, the HD1 and S1 share the same Pioneer disc drive. My S1 has performed flawlessly on 5 BDs but has frozen on 5 out of 9 DVDs.

That is only a 64% overall success score.

I hope Pioneer is better.

One HOPES that UNLIKE Sony - Pioneer got the software right.

If you follow the Sony Blu-Ray Thread - almost everyone is having
Freeze Ups left and right. Even Sony told someone today who returned
his - WAIT for the next model the S1.

See the Post below.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9209739&&#post9209739

Outch :rolleyes:

This is what we call customer support.

FYI - Those of you that pre-ordered the player from me at the Pioneer Store in Southern California, the players went out one day early to you...today! congrats, and let me know how you like it.

Those of you in LA that pre-ordered, I have your units in the store here for pickup, I have left messages for local orders.

I don't have any left for over the counter sales, we sold them all. I will be getting another shipment shortly if you would like to pre-order on shipment #2.

Happy Holidays!!

I just got off the phone again with the Pioneer Blu-Ray Department & they said that since it was not HDMI 1.3 they're not aware of any updates for advanced audio codecs. They said it didn't have the right chipset for that.

They also said Pioneer wasn't a big fan of having the Dolby True HD & DTS-HD converted to uncompressed LPCM over the analog outs.

I guess we'll have to wait for a 2nd generation unit for the advanced codecs.

FYI - Those of you that pre-ordered the player from me at the Pioneer Store in Southern California, the players went out one day early to you...today! congrats, and let me know how you like it.

Those of you in LA that pre-ordered, I have your units in the store here for pickup, I have left messages for local orders.

I don't have any left for over the counter sales, we sold them all. I will be getting another shipment shortly if you would like to pre-order on shipment #2.

Happy Holidays!!

NAMED JEFF [GRIN]!

Merry Christmas Jeff.

I just got off the phone again with the Pioneer Blu-Ray Department & they said that since it was not HDMI 1.3 they're not aware of any updates for advanced audio codecs. They said it didn't have the right chipset for that.

They also said Pioneer wasn't a big fan of having the Dolby True HD & DTS-HD converted to uncompressed LPCM over the analog outs.

I guess we'll have to wait for a 2nd generation unit for the advanced codecs.



^ Bummerman...He delivers... :rolleyes:

Atleast it is shipping a day early now...

Atleast it is shipping a day early now...

Yes - Ho Ho Ho - I'll have mine running Thursday.

I just got off the phone again with the Pioneer Blu-Ray Department & they said that since it was not HDMI 1.3 they're not aware of any updates for advanced audio codecs. They said it didn't have the right chipset for that.

They also said Pioneer wasn't a big fan of having the Dolby True HD & DTS-HD converted to uncompressed LPCM over the analog outs.

I guess we'll have to wait for a 2nd generation unit for the advanced codecs.

This reads more than a bit depressing. So no chance of a future firmware release for advanced audio codecs???

This reads more than a bit depressing. So no chance of a future firmware release for advanced audio codecs???

Don't believe everything you read.

Pioneer is being really sneaky about not letting the cat out of the bag too early...They know if they come right out and say, "no firmware audio upgrades" then no one in their right mind will order one (at least not us snobby avsforum folks...Hee Hee)....Hmmmmm, may have to cancel my order and wait now... :D

People are so quick to make assumptions it is actually quite comical...I for one am just going to wait patiently and hope that Pioneer will come through with a firmware update for the advanced audio codecs.

I just got off the phone again with the Pioneer Blu-Ray Department & they said that since it was not HDMI 1.3 they're not aware of any updates for advanced audio codecs. They said it didn't have the right chipset for that.

They also said Pioneer wasn't a big fan of having the Dolby True HD & DTS-HD converted to uncompressed LPCM over the analog outs.

I guess we'll have to wait for a 2nd generation unit for the advanced codecs.


The comment regarding whether or not Pioneer is a fan of decoding codecs in the player is not true. The customer service rep was incorrect. While we have not announced anything yet I can assure you that I am trying.....

Chris thanks for the update & letting my know he was wrong. I'm a huge Pioneer Elite fan. All my equipment is Pioneer Elite. I was hoping for a HDMI 1.3 unit with the advanced codecs out of the box with the player coming out the end of the year as I assume everyone else was by reading their posts.

One thing if you can confirm for me he said the unit did not have the chipset to do the advanced codecs Dolby True HD & DTS-HD MA. Is that true or was he wrong on that also?

Another problem is the 5.1 analog outputs instead of 7.1.

A lot of us who are Pioneer Elite Fanatics have the flagship receiver that doesn't have HDMI & for some dumb reason instead of doing the advanced codecs over the firewire connection that would have allowed us to use the $3200 we spent on the flagship receiver they put a 5.1 analog output on the back & a HDMI output.

I really wish Pioneer would talk with customers to see what they want to buy. That would be an interesting development for an electronic company.

Hopefully the 2nd generation unit will have HDMI 1.3 with the advanced codecs out of the box & the new flagship receiver will decode those codecs.

But thanks for getting back with us to let us know you're working on seeing if you can get an update for the advanced codecs.

I think you'll see a lot of people waiting until there is a definite answer on that one.

But thanks for getting back with us to let us know you're working on seeing if you can get an update for the advanced codecs.

I think you'll see a lot of people waiting until there is a definite answer on that one.

Me included. Geeeze. They've had all year to get this right. I really thought the delays were to implement advanced audio codecs out-of-the-box. Shows what I know. :confused:

Chris,

It would be REALLY nice if Pioneer made the manual available for d/l . What's the problem with that if its shipping today?

Chris thanks for the update & letting my know he was wrong. I'm a huge Pioneer Elite fan. All my equipment is Pioneer Elite. I was hoping for a HDMI 1.3 unit with the advanced codecs out of the box with the player coming out the end of the year as I assume everyone else was by reading their posts.

One thing if you can confirm for me he said the unit did not have the chipset to do the advanced codecs Dolby True HD & DTS-HD MA. Is that true or was he wrong on that also?

Another problem is the 5.1 analog outputs instead of 7.1.


I'd like to try and clear up some of these misleading issues.

If Marine92104 asked Pioneer about HDMI Version 1.3 - the answer is correct.
The current version does not have the right chipset for that.

HDMI 1.3 Chips just started shipping to Manufacturers in Q4/06. That is certainly
not enough lead time to get things built in any real quantities until Q2/07.

Even if you had HDMI 1.3 - What would you do with it. There is not another
platform which you could connect it to and take advantage of any new features.
There is NOT a single Display maker who has announced HDMI 1.3. There is
not a single Audio/video Processor Maker that has announced HDMI 1.3. There
is not a single surround processor maker who has announced any Lossless
decoders in the Surround Processor.

ONE LAST POINT from Marine92104 - first post - HE SAID:
They also said Pioneer wasn't a big fan of having the Dolby True HD & DTS-HD
converted to uncompressed LPCM over the analog outs.

That statement in itself proves SOMEONE doesn't know what they are talking
about. PCM is a digital format. You don't transmit digital formats over analog
outputs. That is an OXYMORON.

Why does anyone need HDMI 1.3?

ALL Current Versions of HDMI support the highest resolution of Video = 1080p
that any Display can utilize

ALL Current Versions of HDMI support all HD DVD and Blu-Ray new Audio formats
when output over HDMI via Multi-Channel PCM decode.

All Current HD DVD and Blu-Ray Titles are Authored to require Audio Decoding
inside the player.

5.1 Analog versus 7.1 Analog outputs. To date - current crop of HD DVD or
Blu-Ray Movies are authored in 5.1 sound - therefore players have 5.1
outputs.

BOTTOM LINE - If any HD DVD Player or Blu-Ray player can output NATIVE
Video Format 1080p/24 - and Decode Advance lossless audio tracks inside
the player - THEN YOUR UNIT is future safe.

The QUESTION IS - Will Pioneer provide an upgrade to enable Advanced audio
decode inside the player? That is a GOOD QUESTION and at this point we
can hope that will be forthcoming but there is no guarantees.

A clue to that answer might be the 5.1 analog outputs. Why have them on
the box - unless someday they will get USED?

Good points! I wonder if most dealers are getting them a day early. Anyone? :)

I was wondering and hoping the same thing. I have mine ordered at VE with Next Day Air shipping and would love to have this baby in my hands.

Bob

Chris,

It would be REALLY nice if Pioneer made the manual available for d/l . What's the problem with that if its shipping today?

Chris: Thanks for posting. I too would like to download the manual before my unit arrives.

Also, I am praying that Pioneer's additional QC on the firmware solves the freeze up type problems I am having with the Sony S1. I do not want to return another player! Thanks

Don't believe everything you read.

Especially on today's AVS! :D

The comment regarding whether or not Pioneer is a fan of decoding codecs in the player is not true. The customer service rep was incorrect. While we have not announced anything yet I can assure you that I am trying.....


Thanks Chris for trying...I appreciate the effort and the information.

Chris,

It would be REALLY nice if Pioneer made the manual available for d/l . What's the problem with that if its shipping today?


Hi Don, I asked that the owner's manual get posted to the website today...

Chris

Hi Don, I asked that the owner's manual get posted to the website today...

Chris
THANK YOU - THANK YOU - THANK YOU!!!

Bob

The brochure seems to imply the H.264 playback is not supported by the network media player facilities.

Is this correct? That seems odd, since the player of course supports it for BR playback.

Also, doe the media player part support 1080i/50?

Thanks.

The Pioneer Owners Manual is online NOW - I just downloaded it:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/support/details/0,,2076_310070388_290062577,00.html

Bob

Walkamo - it would be great if you could get the IR codes posted to the Pioneer website custom installation area, also, particularly discrete on and off codes. I'd like to have my MX-850 remote all set to go when my BDP-HD1 arrives. Thanks.

Thanks, Chris, for getting the manual posted!! :D

ss9001

the manual is not loading, i logged in but its just blank

Hi Don, I asked that the owner's manual get posted to the website today...

Chris

THANKS Chris:


I 2nd the THANKS for getting the manual posted on the website.

It will take a couple of moments it is ~ 6.8 mb file. If you have problems, PM me I will email it to you.

Bob

the manual is not loading, i logged in but its just blank

IT WORKED fine for me - NO LOGIN required.

I just used the LINK posted here earlier.

Printing 64 pages now!

Atleast it is shipping a day early now...

1/04/06

"Blu-ray member Pioneer said it planned to offer a Blu-ray player in May, priced at $1,800."
Reuters



5/26/06

"I know you can't keep up with who is who around here, but try to file this away. I'M A DEALER FOR PIONEER AND SONY (among others, but not Toshiba).

Pioneer just finished their dealer line show last week. All the Pioneer brass were in the same place at the same time. My sales rep got the latest information today (Thursday).

September.

BTW, my rep has been telling me they were on track for June release, up until yesterday."
Robert George



6/20/06

The Samsung appears to be a POS...So I am looking to the Sony or Pioneer....Too bad they are so far out....Which part of July is Sony looking at?
The Bland



9/7/06

"The last time I spoke with Pioneer (mid-august) they told me 2nd-3rd week Sept. in for a release here in Ontario, Canada. That may have changed over the past few weeks, as everyone is speculating...I'll enquire again. "
Michael Osadciw
Highest Fidelity Calibrations
DVD/BD Reviewer
HOME THEATER FORUM


9/15/06

"according to everyone at the CEDIA Pioneer booth, this fall is their launch target and not Spring of '07."
Matt Burns HD Beat

Same here. There is a quick redirecting message then nothing (blank page).

Maybe all you guys have too much protection on
your computer to download a PDF file. I don't
know.

I don't think so as no problems regularly downloading PDF files from other web sites. Plus, as a test, I was able to download other PDF files from Pioneer web site. I'm sure the problem will sort itself out soon.

If you need a copy - PM me FAST with your
real e-mail address and I'll e-mail it to you
but I'm leaving in 25 minutes.

PAGE 7
High quality audio

Blu-ray supports DTS, DTS-HD (DTS-HD is played back as DTS),
Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD (Dolby Digital Plus
and Dolby TrueHD are played back as Dolby Digital) and Linear PCM
audio in up to eight channels (up to two channels for 24-bit/192 kHz
audio). Connect this player to a surround-sound AV receiver for a
true home theater experience.

• Manufactured under license from Dolby Laboratories. “Dolby”
and the double-D symbol are trademarks of Dolby Laboratories.
• “DTS” and “DTS Digital Surround” are registered

Page 13
• The HDMI connection is compatible with 8-channel linear PCM
signals (44.1 kHz to 192 kHz1, 16 bit/20 bit/24 bit), Dolby Digital
bitstream and DTS (5.1 channel signals) bitstream.

Page 44

See Attached Picture

NOTES

*1 2 Channel or 5.1 Channel setting (see Audio Output Mode on page 43).
*2 Dolby Digital
PCM or DTS
PCM setting (see Dolby Digital Out and DTS Out on page 42).
*3 Dolby Digital or DTS setting (see Dolby Digital Out and DTS Out on page 42).
*4 PCM or Auto setting (see HDMI Audio Out on page 42).
*5 Only the independent substream is output.
*6 Only the Dolby substream is output.
*7 Only the core substream is output.
*8 If the HDMI device you are using is not compatible with these compressed formats, the signal is output as linear PCM.
*9 If the connected HDMI device is compatible with fewer channels of Linear PCM audio than this player, the output will be adjusted to be compatible with the HDMI device.
*10 Outputs 2 ch downmix PCM when the sampling rate is 192 kHz.
*11 Even if there is interactive audio, interactive audio is not mixed.
*12 Interactive audio is not mixed when the sampling rate is 192 kHz or 96 kHz.
*13 When the video output of HDMI is 480i or 480p, output sampling rate is automatically downsampled to 48 kHz.

Hi Don, I asked that the owner's manual get posted to the website today...

Chris

Thanks a bunch Chris...Printing it out now. I need something to read while I am anxiously waiting for UPS to get here already! Just checked with UPS, "out for delivery", unfortunately it hasn't arrived yet.

I'd like to try and clear up some of these misleading issues.

If Marine92104 asked Pioneer about HDMI Version 1.3 - the answer is correct.
The current version does not have the right chipset for that.

HDMI 1.3 Chips just started shipping to Manufacturers in Q4/06. That is certainly
not enough lead time to get things built in any real quantities until Q2/07.

Even if you had HDMI 1.3 - What would you do with it. There is not another
platform which you could connect it to and take advantage of any new features.
There is NOT a single Display maker who has announced HDMI 1.3. There is
not a single Audio/video Processor Maker that has announced HDMI 1.3. There
is not a single surround processor maker who has announced any Lossless
decoders in the Surround Processor.

ONE LAST POINT from Marine92104 - first post - HE SAID:
They also said Pioneer wasn't a big fan of having the Dolby True HD & DTS-HD
converted to uncompressed LPCM over the analog outs.

That statement in itself proves SOMEONE doesn't know what they are talking
about. PCM is a digital format. You don't transmit digital formats over analog
outputs. That is an OXYMORON.

Why does anyone need HDMI 1.3?

ALL Current Versions of HDMI support the highest resolution of Video = 1080p
that any Display can utilize

ALL Current Versions of HDMI support all HD DVD and Blu-Ray new Audio formats
when output over HDMI via Multi-Channel PCM decode.

All Current HD DVD and Blu-Ray Titles are Authored to require Audio Decoding
inside the player.

5.1 Analog versus 7.1 Analog outputs. To date - current crop of HD DVD or
Blu-Ray Movies are authored in 5.1 sound - therefore players have 5.1
outputs.

BOTTOM LINE - If any HD DVD Player or Blu-Ray player can output NATIVE
Video Format 1080p/24 - and Decode Advance lossless audio tracks inside
the player - THEN YOUR UNIT is future safe.

The QUESTION IS - Will Pioneer provide an upgrade to enable Advanced audio
decode inside the player? That is a GOOD QUESTION and at this point we
can hope that will be forthcoming but there is no guarantees.

A clue to that answer might be the 5.1 analog outputs. Why have them on
the box - unless someday they will get USED?

There is still one thing missing, We need to have Dolby True HD & DTS-HD decoded in the player and sent over HDMI or converted to analog so we can connect this to an audio processor. For HD viewing HD audio is must and I was expecting this from Pioneer.

while it is certainly appreciated that chris walker has indicated he is trying to get a firmware upgrade to support full decoding of the advanced audio codecs, it strikes me as there not being much hope in his success :(

but on the positive side, i guess if he is trying that would imply that the physical ability is there just waiting to be "tapped"/programmed...

PAGE 7
High quality audio

Blu-ray supports DTS, DTS-HD (DTS-HD is played back as DTS),
Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD (Dolby Digital Plus
and Dolby TrueHD are played back as Dolby Digital) and Linear PCM
audio in up to eight channels (up to two channels for 24-bit/192 kHz
audio). Connect this player to a surround-sound AV receiver for a
true home theater experience.

• Manufactured under license from Dolby Laboratories. “Dolby”
and the double-D symbol are trademarks of Dolby Laboratories.
• “DTS” and “DTS Digital Surround” are registered

Page 13
• The HDMI connection is compatible with 8-channel linear PCM
signals (44.1 kHz to 192 kHz1, 16 bit/20 bit/24 bit), Dolby Digital
bitstream and DTS (5.1 channel signals) bitstream.

IIRC, these (and the notes posted from page 44) are same specs listed for the Sony BDP-S1. IF that's correct, where is the extra cost justified? (Besides Pioneer's excellent rep.)

Why does anyone need HDMI 1.3?

ALL Current Versions of HDMI support the highest resolution of Video = 1080p
that any Display can utilize


True statement, but that doesn't necessarily mean manufacturers will support 1080p just because it was in the spec for HDMI. For example, Pioneer's Elite 7x line of receivers support 1080i output only. The HDMI chipset is capable of passing 1080p, but Pioneer decided not to included on this line of receivers likely due to market saturation of 1080p displays at the time of development and possibly cost.

Walkamo - it would be great if you could get the IR codes posted to the Pioneer website custom installation area, also, particularly discrete on and off codes. I'd like to have my MX-850 remote all set to go when my BDP-HD1 arrives. Thanks.

Here are the discretes:
On:
0000 0069 0000 0015 005f 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0017 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0030 0200
Off:
0000 0069 0000 0015 005f 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0017 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0030 0200


Jeff Hagg
General Manager
The Pioneer Store
store.pioneerelectronics.com

Why does anyone need HDMI 1.3?

ALL Current Versions of HDMI support the highest resolution of Video = 1080p
that any Display can utilize


True statement, but that doesn't necessarily mean manufacturers will support 1080p just because it has been in the spec for HDMI. For example, Pioneer's Elite 7x line of receivers support 1080i output only. The HDMI chipset is capable of passing 1080p, but Pioneer decided not to include 1080p pass through on this line of receivers likely due to market saturation of 1080p displays at the time of development and possibly cost.

Here are the discretes:
On:
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0000 0069 0000 0015 005f 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0017 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0030 0200


Jeff Hagg
General Manager
The Pioneer Store
store.pioneerelectronics.com

Thanks so much, Jeff. Next time I'm in the LA area, I'll make it a point to check out your store.

Best regards and Happy Holidays.

Here are the discretes:
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0000 0069 0000 0015 005f 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0017 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0030 0200


Jeff Hagg
General Manager
The Pioneer Store
store.pioneerelectronics.com

Thanks Jeff...these will come in handy! Thanks for checking on my BDP-HD1 in regards to UPS shipping it. I got it a couple hours later after I spoke to you. Set it up and love it! Thanks again.

Dan

I posted this on a new thread also...forgot that this sticky was here.

My BDP-HD1 finally arrived around 7 pm tonight...UPS must be going crazy with Christmas a few days away, so I understood why it came so late. Package was in great condition, thank goodness! Opened it up, was packaged very well. Came with a nice big box filled with the remote, cables, manual, and the 2 free movies. Player itself was on the bottom and also packed nicely. Took the player out and slide into the empty space in my rack that has been waiting for a while now. Hooked up the power cable, HDMI cable, and my network cable. Powered it on. The initial power on was quite slow, probably around a minute or so before any remote commands would respond. After that it was a lot quicker. Did the intial setup very quickly, was anxious just to start checking out the PQ. I put in Monster House first. Very strange thing happened though, I didn't realize the input for the Blu-ray player on my Elite receiver wasn't on, so after selecting it Monster House was already booted up to the main menu. I missed how long the bootup time was and wanted to find out, so I hit stop and then play again to start from scratch. I received an error "Can not play disc" I hit stop again and play once more...same message. Tried a few times but again no luck. I opened the tray and reloaded the disc. Booted up fine this time. Not sure what that was all about, but I never was able to replicate it again.

The bootup time I thought was surprising quick. About 25 seconds or so from start to when the actual menu comes up for the movie. I proceeded to watch Monster House. All I can say is WOW! Awesome PQ, very comparable to what I saw on the demo disc at Tweeter a while back. I played with scanning and going back and forth between the main menu and such. Very quick respones, no delays at all! Very comparable to a regular DVD player. Uncompressed PCM audio sounded great.

I tried one other movie...The Fifth Element. Let me first say that this movie is nowhere near as bad in terms of PQ as everyone says it is. Very nice, I would say comparable to watching it on HBO-HD via cable. Maybe it is the Pioneer, but very nice PQ. Again pretty quick respones navigating around this movie as well.

That is all I was able to do so far, would have done more but had a little HT curtain mishap, had to fix that first before playing with the Blu-ray player. I will play with it more tomorrow. In summary of my review, I give the Pioneer Elite BDP-HD1 2 huge thumbs up! Great PQ and decently quick response/bootup times. I am definitely impressed and am glad I bought one.

Oh BTW, while watching Monster House I was playing with the display screen that shows the bitrates...it peaked around 34 mbps and kept bouncing around 28 - 34 mbps.

Now off to bed I go with dreams of Blu-ray!

Nice! Now we know they are coming out. Congrats! Sounds like a solid unit...

I would like to hear some feedback from someone that also has a PS3 and can give a A/B comparison with an actual production Pioneer. I was able to pick up a 60 GIG PS3 last week and think the image looks great, I am hoping that the Pioneer I have on order is AT LEAST AS GOOD (hopefully even better).

Bob

Can someone test BD-R and BD-RE playback? Neither disc type is mentioned in the owner's manual as being compatible. Thanks!

Whoops! From the owner's manual, page 23:

In the following case, the resume position is cleared:
• Eject the disc
• Use Home Media Gallery/Disc Navigator
• Switch the player off (BD-ROM only)

Can someone test BD-R and BD-RE playback? Neither disc type is mentioned in the owner's manual as being compatible. Thanks!
I would not hold your breath on that one here is a quote from page 8 of the manual:

"This player is not compatible with BD-R/RE, DVD-R/RW (VR
mode), DVD-Audio, DVD-RAM, CDs or disc types other than
those listed above."

Bob

Can someone test BD-R and BD-RE playback? Neither disc type is mentioned in the owner's manual as being compatible. Thanks!

I see some mention on PAGE 8.

This player is not compatible with BD-R/RE, DVD-R/RW
(VR mode), DVD-Audio, DVD-RAM, CDs

I would not hold your breath on that one here is a quote from page 8 of the manual:

Bob

Bob you BEAT me by a MINUTE [GRIN]!

Bob you BEAT me by a MINUTE [GRIN]!

:p :D

Thanks, guys! Can't believe I missed that.

Hey, here's a question I'd like to see answered, preferably by Walkamo. If the owner's manual says the player is not compatible with BD-R/REs, then why this write-up on Pioneer's own website?


http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/enhanced/article/two/0,,2076_310705309_316288769,00.html

And why this little blurb on the downloadable .PDF product brochure?


http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pio/pe/images/portal/cit_3424/327625254BDP-HD1.pdf
:confused: GOOD QUESTIONS. Now all we need are GOOD ANSWERS. (and for Robert to SHIP MY PLAYER :D )

Bob

On Sony's website, it says that sometime in 2007, Sony will offer a firmware upgrade that will allow the Sony BDP-S1 to play most BD-R/RE discs. Since the Sony and the Pioneer are supposed to be very similar, it seems logical that Pioneer may be able to offer a similar firmware upgrade at some point in time.

pifemaster and JFR0317, I moved my question to its own thread. I thought it was an important enough question. I think Pioneer's being a little disingenuous in their advertising, and I want to challenge them on it publicly. That way, maybe JFR's theory can be confirmed one way or the other.

Originally Posted by bferr1
Hey, here's a question I'd like to see answered, preferably by Walkamo. If the owner's manual says the player is not compatible with BD-R/REs, then why this write-up on Pioneer's own website?


http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/p...6288769,00.html

And why this little blurb on the downloadable .PDF product brochure?


http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/p...5254BDP-HD1.pdf



WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR POST????????
Bob

pife, see here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=772658

pife, see here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=772658
Thanks - I got it. We were posting at the same time.

Bob

I see some mention on PAGE 8.

This player is not compatible with BD-R/RE, DVD-R/RW
(VR mode), DVD-Audio, DVD-RAM, CDs

Sony says they will issue a firmware update to allow playing of BD-R/RE discs. Hopefully Pioneer will do the same.

Now only if I wans't working.

Now only if I wans't working.

i'm going to use my "heroes" power to predict that you will start feeling ill and have to run home to get better...may even take you all day tomorrow to recover ;)

Was surprised to find two Blu-ray disks included in the package. I'll power it up when it reaches room temp, it's only 20 degrees outside now & UPS doesn't appear to heat their trucks.

tweeter says 29th my particular store says 33 pre orders and allocation for the store is 60, so tweeter will have extras available....

8 more days

Which Blu ray discs come with it?

I am being told 12/27/06, same day as the HD-XA2.

-Robert

Which Blu ray discs come with it?

Ships with two Blu-ray Movies--
Invincible (Disney) and Eight Below (Buena Vista)

-Robert

Thanks Robert!

i'm going to use my "heroes" power to predict that you will start feeling ill and have to run home to get better...may even take you all day tomorrow to recover ;)

Hi Mr. Ben Over [GRIN]!

I never said the QUOTE you are attributing to me [GRIN]!

More fun in the fine print! This from Pioneer's product brochure PDF:

This Player does not support direct connection to the Internet or the retrieval of content through the Internet. Pioneer provides a
Limited Firmware Warranty for firmware updates in the event of playability issues with some commercially pre-recorded discs, however, firmware updates for this Player will not include upgrades for Internet access or retrieval of content. A copy of the Firmware Limited Warranty is available on Pioneer’s website at pioneerelectronics.com. Please contact Pioneer’s customer service center for more information at (800) 421‑1404.
So I guess BD-Live is completely out of the question, then?

i'm going to use my "heroes" power to predict that you will start feeling ill and have to run home to get better...may even take you all day tomorrow to recover ;)

I apologize Mr. Bend Over.

I guess I'm ALREADY under the table [GRIN].

It was me that said that - But then I'm siting at the BAR with my
Engineering TEAM Celebrating Merry Christmas.

TOO MUCH HEAVY LIFTING ALREADY :p :eek:

I am being told 12/27/06, same day as the HD-XA2.

-Robert

That's the day BOTH the Pio and the XA2 arrive at your store? Didn't know the XA2 was going to actually make it before 2007...

I wonder if that was planned... :)

So, still no word on audio update capability of this player?...Well it looks like Pioneer has until the 27th to inform us of the units upgradabilities through ethernet...otherwise they will lose pre-orders and future sales...Still have my fingers crossed... :rolleyes:

So, still no word on audio update capability of this player?...Well it looks like Pioneer has until the 27th to inform us of the units upgradabilities through ethernet...otherwise they will lose pre-orders and future sales...Still have my fingers crossed... :rolleyes:

Come on - do you really expect any Company to Pre-Announce
future capabilities - it is very rare when that happens. Any
pre-announcements which do happen are usually around some
Significant EVENT.

So let me guess about an upcoming event.

I can SPELL CES [GRIN]!

As for AUDIO Upgrade Issues? Why print this stuff in the
manual is my QUESTION?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9228255&&#post9228255

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9228339&&#post9228339

And why have 5.1 Analog Outputs - unless they are there
for some FUTURE USE?

And why have 5.1 Analog Outputs - unless they are there
for some FUTURE USE?

The 5.1 analog outputs most certainly work in standard DD or DTS 5.1 decoding mode, so that's not in anyway an indication that they are meant for any future use.

The 5.1 analog outputs most certainly work in standard DD or DTS 5.1 decoding mode, so that's not in anyway an indication that they are meant for any future use.

Come on - who on this planet would ever use them in THAT MODE?

It seems like DD and DTS have been working with Optical out
for ALMOST 10 years. So as a High-End Manufacturer - Let me
put 5.1 Audio Analog Decoding to duplicate what has been working
for DD and DTS for the last 10 years. It just isn't going to happen.

I would think there is no way they could release a product (especially for this much) without any future firmware upgrade possibilities... Not these days...

Come on - who on this planet would ever use them in THAT MODE?

Many DVD players have 5.1 analog outputs.

I certainly would never use them, but the fact is that manufacturers think they offer some marketing value.

So, their presence on the BR player is not a proof that it will decode lossy streams.

I'm not bashing Pioneer or BR in anyway, it's just that we have no real indication at the moment that this will happen. Assuming that analog audio outputs implies that is just wishful thinking.

Many DVD players have 5.1 analog outputs.



And I'll BET every one of those DVD players with 5.1 Analog
outputs ALSO Plays Music CDs and SACD discs.

The Pioneer BDP-HD1 can't play ANY CD or SACD disc.

Therefore the 5.1 Analog Outputs are GOOD FOR WHAT?

i think what many are not appreciating yet is that these new formats aren't going to be just for delivery of movies, they are going to be the successors to sacd and dvd-audio (if you can call it that given those two didn't ever take hold :)).

so in addition to needing the analog outs for those that a) don't have an hdmi receiver (not everyone has a cheapo receiver that lacks hdmi; some are very expensive, high end units that aren't likely/desired to be replaced), and b) would like to experience the higher end audio for BOTH movies and music...remember, the PCM lossless tracks on BD discs, if you want to fully enjoy them, would have to go out over analog if you don't have an hdmi receiver.

i think analog outs should be a must on such a "high end" player...

Many DVD players have 5.1 analog outputs.

I certainly would never use them, but the fact is that manufacturers think they offer some marketing value.

So, their presence on the BR player is not a proof that it will decode lossy streams.
I'm not bashing Pioneer or BR in anyway, it's just that we have no real indication at the moment that this will happen. Assuming that analog audio outputs implies that is just wishful thinking.

their presence is for getting the PCM lossless audio out to a non-hdmi setup.

And I'll BET every one of those DVD players with 5.1 Analog
outputs ALSO Plays Music CDs and SACD discs.

The Pioneer BDP-HD1 can't play ANY CD or SACD disc.

Therefore the 5.1 Analog Outputs are GOOD FOR WHAT?

Dr,
OK, I'll bite. How about, they're good for those without HDMI connectivity who MIGHT want to listen to movie soundtracks with the advanced codecs decoded in the player. For those who only want to do std. DD & dts, I agree, they are not needed. Until more pre-pros & receiverss catch up with HDMI, they still have a use.

ss9001

Many DVD players have 5.1 analog outputs.

I certainly would never use them, but the fact is that manufacturers think they offer some marketing value.

So, their presence on the BR player is not a proof that it will decode lossy streams.

I'm not bashing Pioneer or BR in anyway, it's just that we have no real indication at the moment that this will happen. Assuming that analog audio outputs implies that is just wishful thinking.


their presence is for getting the PCM lossless audio out to a non-hdmi setup.

AMEN - CORRECT Mr. Ben Dover!

I'm curious, why was obie_fl post deleted?

Is it forbidden to say that the Pioneer can't play CD's nor DVD-A or SACD?

I'm curious, why was obie_fl post deleted?

Is it forbidden to say that the Pioneer can't play CD's nor DVD-A or SACD?
I noticed the post was missing also. What happened???

Bob

Before I plug mine in - I needed to do some SHEETMETAL
Work - aka Rack Mount Kit.

Pictures below.

You didn't have to drill holes through the side of the player did you???

You didn't have to drill holes through the side of the player did you???

If I had drilled holes in the side it would have taken
me 10 minutes instead of 3 HOURS.

I would have done that actually - had I been able to
get the COVER Off so that when I drilled nothing went
into the BOX. But since there is some funny interlock,
I gave up on that idea and went the NO HOLES route.
It was more work - but a better way to keep the
warranty in place if I should ever NEED IT!

As for AUDIO Upgrade Issues? Why print this stuff in the
manual is my QUESTION?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9228255&&#post9228255

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9228339&&#post9228339
drhankz, I'm not sure how you're interpreting these quotes you're linking to from the owner's manual. I see nothing there that even hints at audio upgrades at all. In your first link, the page 7 quote merely describes the capabilities and limitations of this player, but they're virtually the same limitations and capabilities as any other BD player, with DD+, DTHD and DTS-HD core support only. The Page 13 quote merely says it can pass any flavor of LPCM through HDMI, along with DD and DTS bitstreams. But that does not mean the player can fully decode DTHD and DTS-HD, convert them to LPCM, and then pass them through HDMI.

And although the second link, the Audio Chart, shows DTHD and DTS-HD decoding as 5.1ch LPCM, it likely means the core stream (legacy DD and legacy DTS) only is decoded as LPCM, not the full lossless track.

drhankz, I'm not sure how you're interpreting these quotes you're linking to from the owner's manual. I see nothing there that even hints at audio upgrades at all. In your first link, the page 7 quote merely describes the capabilities and limitations of this player, but they're virtually the same limitations and capabilities as any other BD player, with DD+, DTHD and DTS-HD core support only. The Page 13 quote merely says it can pass any flavor of LPCM through HDMI, along with DD and DTS bitstreams. But that does not mean the player can fully decode DTHD and DTS-HD, convert them to LPCM, and then pass them through HDMI.

And although the second link, the Audio Chart, shows DTHD and DTS-HD decoding as 5.1ch LPCM, it likely means the core stream (legacy DD and legacy DTS) only is decoded as LPCM, not the full lossless track.

I never said any advanced codec support was there - TODAY.

However, I doubt Pioneer wants to reprint manuals - IF AND WHEN
SOMEDAY, via an upgrade - they turn Advance Codec Support ON,
just like Toshiba did in the HD-A1 - 6 months after it was launched.

I never said any advanced codec support was there - TODAY.
Um, reread my post. I never said you said it was there TODAY. My point is, I see nothing in the quotes you're linking to that hints it'll be there in THE FUTURE, either. In fact, take a look at the fine print on Pioneer's product brochure PDF...

This Player does not support direct connection to the Internet or the retrieval of content through the Internet. Pioneer provides a
Limited Firmware Warranty for firmware updates in the event of playability issues with some commercially pre-recorded discs, however, firmware updates for this Player will not include upgrades for Internet access or retrieval of content. A copy of the Firmware Limited Warranty is available on Pioneer’s website at pioneerelectronics.com. Please contact Pioneer’s customer service center for more information at (800) 421 1404.
...and you'll find a very narrow description of reasons Pioneer will issue firmware updates for.

I think we should all refrain from commenting on any features or future firmwares until next week when the player actually hits the streets... Just a thought... Merry Christmas!!! :D

drhankz: Forget the trivial stuff like mounts etc. We want to know how it performs! In my case especially interested in any freeze up issues. Thanks

P.S. Smilies don't work when I post for some reason. thanks Again

drhankz: Forget the trivial stuff like mounts etc. We want to know how it performs. In my case especially interested in any freeze up issues. Thanks

I have had mine for two days and have tried 9 ways from yesterday to cause it to lock or crash. It is the most stable player that I have owned. So far it refuses to do anything other than answer the remote commands issued.

Remember the Samsung has 5.1 Analog outs and no DD+ TRUE HD or DTS HD Either.

It does pass Uncompressed PCM which could be the only reason they are there on the BDPHD1

I have had mine for two days and have tried 9 ways from yesterday to cause it to lock or crash. It is the most stable player that I have owned. So far it refuses to do anything other than answer the remote commands issued.


same here, 2 days and very stable...keeps getting better the more I play with it.

SPECTACULAR - is hardly enough to describe the Picture Quality.

I just hooked up my Pioneer BDP-H1 Blu Ray Player to my Anthem
D2. It is outputting 1080p/24 to the D2 and then to a Ruby @ 1080p
onto a 12 ft. Screen.

SPECTACULAR - is hardly enough to describe the Picture Quality.

I was hoping 1080p/24 would be BETTER than the 1080i coming
off my HD DVD and then Converted to 1080p via the D2.

I can SAY with 100% - It is Awesome.

WORTH EVERY PENNY!

I'm glad I decided to WAIT for the BEST!

Here are the discretes:
On:
0000 0069 0000 0015 005f 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 00user112183417 0017 0017 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0030 0200
Off:
0000 0069 0000 0015 005f 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0017 0017 0017 0017 0017 0017 0030 0017 0030 0017 0030 0200


Jeff Hagg
General Manager
The Pioneer Store
store.pioneerelectronics.com

Hi Jeff:
You Published the codes above:

The OFF code is WRONG. I don't know what it should
be but I do know the Code Above is the #2 Key.

That is what it comes up as in the Crestron Pogrammer.

After all of the pre production rumors, I am assuming this will be the same player as the Sony BDP-S1. Has anyone compared the two yet???

After all of the pre production rumors, I am assuming this will be the same player as the Sony BDP-S1. Has anyone compared the two yet???

Just from reading the Sony Thread and comparing it
to the Pioneer thread - I would say Sony has some
reliability [aka FREEZE UP] issues and so far it seems
Pioneer's score is PERFECT.

Hi Jeff:
You Published the codes above:

The OFF code is WRONG. I don't know what it should
be but I do know the Code Above is the #2 Key.

That is what it comes up as in the Crestron Pogrammer.

Try these: Straight from the engineers in pronto hex format. Please also find attached the complete Pronto CCF for the BDP-HD1.

On

0000 0068 0000 0044 0168 00b4 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 06d9 0168 00b4 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 06d9


Off

0000 0068 0000 0044 0168 00b4 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 06d9 0168 00b4 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 06d9

Try these: Straight from the engineers in pronto hex format. Please also find attached the complete Pronto CCF for the BDP-HD1.

On

0000 0068 0000 0044 0168 00b4 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 06d9 0168 00b4 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 06d9


Off

0000 0068 0000 0044 0168 00b4 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 06d9 0168 00b4 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 06d9


Jeff...thanks a bunch for the whole Pronto pcf file...I was planning on programming my Pronto tomorrow for the BDP-HD1. This will save me a ton of time instead of trying to learn each button or searching for the IR codes for each button!

SPECTACULAR - is hardly enough to describe the Picture Quality.

I just hooked up my Pioneer BDP-H1 Blu Ray Player to my Anthem
D2. It is outputting 1080p/24 to the D2 and then to a Ruby @ 1080p
onto a 12 ft. Screen.

SPECTACULAR - is hardly enough to describe the Picture Quality.

I was hoping 1080p/24 would be BETTER than the 1080i coming
off my HD DVD and then Converted to 1080p via the D2.

I can SAY with 100% - It is Awesome.

WORTH EVERY PENNY!

I'm glad I decided to WAIT for the BEST!

I agree with you 100%...was playing with it again today. I was again impressed big time.

What movies has everyone been viewing with the Pioneer so far? I own 6 Blu-ray movies with 2 more on the way within a few days from Amazon. I tried Monster House, Invicible, Lord of War, and The Fith Element. Still haven't tried Eight Below and Crash. Ice age: The Meltdown and World Trade Center are on their way.

I have 31 Blu ray titles and I am looking forward to palying with one soon... :)

I watched Ultraviolet and the DVD of Dead Man's Chest last night. I thought UV looked exactly as it did in the Theater. It was a stylized movie, shot in a certain style and look for effect and I understand that some people don't like it. My point is that I was very pleased with this version.

DMC was magnificent. The up convert on this machine rivals that of my 79Avi. There was one spot where a layer change consistently caused about a 3/10 of a second lag in the 79Avi, while the HD1 skipped right through it in what appeared to be a few hundredth’s of a second. Darks scenes revealed great detail, such as the grain on the timbers in bilge scenes and details in the dark "Black Pearl". Impressive! My wife asked in one scene that really popped (for DVD), "Are we watching this on Blue Disc"? :D

Not a single glitch or freeze yet! It is lighter and smaller in height than the 79Avi, but it is at least as good of an SD DVD player as the 79Avi, and layer changes may just let it better the 79! I'll report more over the weekend (as time allows.)

What movies has everyone been viewing with the Pioneer so far? I own 6 Blu-ray movies with 2 more on the way within a few days from Amazon. I tried Monster House, Invicible, Lord of War, and The Fith Element. Still haven't tried Eight Below and Crash. Ice age: The Meltdown and World Trade Center are on their way.

In My Book - The Reference Blu-Ray Disk is House of Flying Daggers.

Just so much detail and color - it will blow you away

What movies has everyone been viewing with the Pioneer so far? I own 6 Blu-ray movies with 2 more on the way within a few days from Amazon. I tried Monster House, Invicible, Lord of War, and The Fith Element. Still haven't tried Eight Below and Crash. Ice age: The Meltdown and World Trade Center are on their way.

Assuming BB still has Phantom of the Opera in Blu-Ray - I
will pick that one up today also. That way I can do a frame
to frame comparison - since I also have it on HD. The Video
Quality on HD DVD was the BEST HD DVD I had. However,
the Audio on HD DVD is 10 db down from reference levels.

It will be interesting to see if the audio on Blu-Ray is also
10db down - and the side by side Video Comparison should
be interesting.

I would receommend adding POTO to your Blu-Ray Library
for GREAT Detail and Color.

I have 31 Blu ray titles and I am looking forward to palying with one soon... :)

Joe - I think you will find the Pioneer worth waiting for
and so FAR - I THINK WORTH EVERY PENNY because of
the QUALITY.

It is depressing to READ all the GLITCHES with the Sony
Blu-Ray and even more depressing to READ all the BUGS
with the 2nd Gen Toshiba. There is NO EXCUSE for screwing
up a 2nd Gen player after they did such a great job with
the 1st Gen Toshiba.

Jeff...thanks a bunch for the whole Pronto pcf file...I was planning on programming my Pronto tomorrow for the BDP-HD1. This will save me a ton of time instead of trying to learn each button or searching for the IR codes for each button!

YES - I was surprised by Jeff also providing the Pronto CCF file.

That should make it easy for even those who don't use Pronto.
I think even the Harmony guys can convert the Pronto file
to Harmony.

I use Crestron and I had the Crestron Learner - LEARN all the
remote codes. That is how I discovered the original mistake in
the discrete off code. I will certify these discrete coded by 10
am TODAY.

In My Book - The Reference Blu-Ray Disk is House of Flying Daggers.

Just so much detail and color - it will blow you away

I loved "Hero"! I have this title and will take time to watch it closely this afternoon. I remember popping it in last night for a few minutes and I was amazed in the opening segment of the movie, where a rack of swords are panned in a closeup... the detail in the scabbards blew me away!

I'll get back with you after I see it! I'm really looking forward to viewing it now that you have mentioned it. It has received so many bad reviews and I found some of the worst reviews represent movies that I think are quite amazing. :p

Jeff...thanks a bunch for the whole Pronto pcf file...I was planning on programming my Pronto tomorrow for the BDP-HD1. This will save me a ton of time instead of trying to learn each button or searching for the IR codes for each button!

I just ran them through the Creston IR Learner.

These are GOOD CODES - the #2 Overlap is now GONE!

Thanks Jeff for the update and the PRONOT CCF file.

Merry Christmas to all us HAPPY PIONEER OWNERS.

Have you guy's compared the upconversion in the player, to sending 480i out over HDMI into a decent scaler yet? drhankz, I believe you said you have an Anthem D2, and I think that has the Gennum chip in it doesn't it? Have you fed it 480i via HDMI yet to compare?

Free you are on my same page! I plan to compare them this week! I am currently using the component out (for 480i) from my Panny to my crystalio II but can't wait to try the 480i out over HDMI from the Pioneer to see what it can do. It's going to be a FUN week! :eek:

I just ran them through the Creston IR Learner.

These are GOOD CODES - the #2 Overlap is now GONE!

Thanks Jeff for the update and the PRONOT CCF file.

Merry Christmas to all us HAPPY PIONEER OWNERS.
Thanks to Jeff for posting the Pronto file and to you, drhankz, for verifying the codes. Although my BDP-HD1 is not supposed to show up until next Friday, I've now got my MX-850 remote programmed and ready to go.

By the way, I know this is an owners only thread, but I figured having placed $300 down on it at Tweeter ought to qualify me to at least do a thank you post.

Hope all of the owners are enjoying their units.

Happy holidays and keep those impressions coming. :)

joerod, I should have my unit next Friday, and look forward to running it through my C2 as well. I look forward to hearing your observations if you get it before me. :)

No problem. I will definitely post about it! :)

Have you guy's compared the upconversion in the player, to sending 480i out over HDMI into a decent scaler yet? drhankz, I believe you said you have an Anthem D2, and I think that has the Gennum chip in it doesn't it? Have you fed it 480i via HDMI yet to compare?

I have not tried 480i to the D2 which does have a Scaler.
In fact my D2 replaced my DVDO VP50 Scaler.

Prior to the Pioneer - BDP-H1 - I used my Toshiba HD DVD
for Up-Converting SD DVDs to 1080i and then the DVDO
VP50 and now the D2 to up-convert to 1080p, the native
resolution of my Sony Ruby PJ.

I plan to compare the Pioneer - BDP-H1 up-converting to
the Toshiba HD-A1.

Despite some Oppo Bigots here who think 480i to a scaler
is the BEST way - when you have a properly encoded SD
DVDs - I can not see the improvement over having
the SOURCE Device HD-A1 do the Up-converting as it comes
off the disc.

If I can not SEE the difference with my own eyes on a 12ft
screen - then why worry about it.

By the way, I know this is an owners only thread, but I figured having placed $300 down on it at Tweeter ought to qualify me to at least do a thank you post.

Hope all of the owners are enjoying their units.

Happy holidays and keep those impressions coming. :)

You put your money down - you are a pre-order owner just like
I have been for a long time before this unit showed up on Wednesday.

I think we are seeing a lot of HAPPY Pioneer Owners here versus
Sony Owners on another thread.

I think Pioneer WENT the extra mile to make sure they got it RIGHT.
Sony was too interested in getting the PS3 Right.

damn it...if someone from pioneer would simply publicly confirm that they WILL upgrade via firmware to allow decoding of all the advanced audio codecs supported by the bd format i would run out and buy one today, even at the risk of my wife beating me over the head with it given my recent buying spree...

i hope that kris deering/stacey spears will do a full work up on this player for both standard def and hi def playback too

damn it...if someone from pioneer would simply publicly confirm that they WILL upgrade via firmware to allow decoding of all the advanced audio codecs supported by the bd format i would run out and buy one today, even at the risk of my wife beating me over the head with it given my recent buying spree...

i hope that kris deering/stacey spears will do a full work up on this player for both standard def and hi def playback too

Have you actually searched PREVIOUS postings from Chris Walker?

Have you actually searched PREVIOUS postings from Chris Walker?

i haven't searched them, no; but i have read all of them so unless i missed it, do you have a link?

i haven't searched them, no; but i have read all of them so unless i missed it, do you have a link?

Some of his previous links are in other threads.
Some are rather old. I don't have time to find
them for you.

As a Pioneer Blu-Ray Product Manager - HE CAN NOT
pre-announce any new product or upgrade until Pioneer
lets him - OR HE WILL GET FIRED.

Let me just say again - I am a HAPPY Pioneer Blu-Ray
owner and I doubt I will regret my decision in any way
going forward. Of Course I could be wrong. I will be at
CES and I expect to HEAR more there. It is only Logical
that they HOLD BACK GOOD NEWS UNTIL THEN [GRIN]!

Despite some Oppo Bigots here who think 480i to a scaler
is the BEST way - when you have a properly encoded SD
DVDs - I can not see the improvement over having
the SOURCE Device HD-A1 do the Up-converting as it comes
off the disc.

If I can not SEE the difference with my own eyes on a 12ft
screen - then why worry about it.


Yikes :eek: Alrighty then (backing away slowly)..

I guess I will just have to wait and try it myself. :)

Yikes :eek: Alrighty then (backing away slowly)..

I guess I will just have to wait and try it myself. :)

This afternoon - I will ALSO try it.

But right now I'm DEEP into Crestron Programming
so I can control things and put away the remote [GRIN]!

We look forward to your OWNERS report on 480i.

Wowser! I am not an oppo fan but 480i to any high end scaler for SD dvds is the best way to go. Otherwise I would not even plan on getting the Pioneer! I have a noticable difference when I send 1080i from my XA1 and the do 480i from the Panny blu ray via component to my crystalio II. And believe me I have compared this to many times! :eek:

I have a noticable difference when I send 1080i from my XA1 and the do 480i from the Panny blu ray via component to my crystalio II. And believe me I have compared this to many times! :eek:

As I said - it is ABOUT BEING ABLE to SEE the difference.

If you can see the difference then YOUR way is the right
way for you. I'm not arguing one way or the other is
right. Just that whatever YOU SEE for YOU - is the better
way.

So far - HERE - I am not seeing the difference. Maybe some
new configuration will change what I SEE. I'm agnostic when
it comes to technology. Yes I read the specifications because
as an EE - that is a good starting place. The NEXT STEP is
my own eyes and ears. NEITHER of which are getting BETTER
with OLD AGE [no GRIN]! :(

Wowser! I am not an oppo fan but 480i to any high end scaler for SD dvds is the best way to go. Otherwise I would not even plan on getting the Pioneer! I have a noticable difference when I send 1080i from my XA1 and the do 480i from the Panny blu ray via component to my crystalio II. And believe me I have compared this to many times! :eek:

I am also buying the Pioneer for the 480i over HDMI. I currently have the Sony S1 with a bad freezing problem. However, the 480i/HDMI fed thru my Lumagen HDP shows a noticeable improvement when compared to the Sony 999es I used previously. My reference DVD for all "tweaking" experiments is Attack of the Clones. With the S1 there is more detail in the backgrounds, tecture and patterns in clothing are more noticeable and colors are more pronouced. As an example of the latter, I had always thought the Clone Planet leaders went from white at their heads down to a light gray for their lower half. With the 480i/HDMI it is apparent that the lower half also has lavender coloring as well. I also compared the S1 own deinterlacing/scaling capabilities with a direct HDMI feed to my 65" Panny plasma. PQ is always better thru the HDP.

I have the Elite 84 reciever, and dont understand why anyone would purchase the new Elite Blu Ray, when you can get the blu ray from a PS 3? Someone educate me why i need the new blu ray if i already have blu ray from my PS3.


thanks


Walt

The crystalio II works magic with true 480i sources... :)

The crystalio II works magic with true 480i sources... :)

Absolutely! The best VP I've ever owned. I now have 2 and trying to decide if I want to keep one for a spare room, but someone ELSE here thinks that is overkill. :D

I've got a Sony, and the Panny and Pioneer, on the way. Looking forward to comparing all three (decided to keep the Sony for now, No issues with the player and it will be fun to compare all three).

Jim

My Pioneer Elite T.V. has a HDMI input but my Pioneer Elite flagship receiver doesn't have a HDMI input.

Will I be able to play the uncompressed LPCM soundtracks if I use the analog outs on the Pioneer Elite player to my analog ins on Pioneer Elite receiver & will I be getting the full bitrate on the uncompressed LPCM soundtracks that way.

Also if Pioneer does have an update for the Dolby True HD & DTS HD MA audio codecs later will I be able to get them out of the analog outs on the player to analog ins on my receiver & will I be getting the full bitrate of the Dolby True HD & the DTS HD MA?

I'm sure Pioneer will be getting a new flagship receiver next year. Rumor has it around the summer of 2007 with the new advanced codecs built in with HDMI 1.3 switching. Hopefully it will get announced at CES.

Until then I'm left with analog ins on my receiver. I just wanted to make sure everything would work properly & I would be getting the full bitrate on sound using the analogs until that time before I purchased the Pioneer Elite player if it has better picture quality than the Panasonic.

Tweeter said they would let me exchange it & pay the difference but I have to make a decision quickly.

Someone educate me why i need the new blu ray if i already have blu ray from my PS3.
Walt

As someone with a new PS3, I am very excited about the HD1. If the logic held, why would anyone buy a DVD player. They could just buy an Xbox. I know I'm being a wise guy, but it sounds like the SD capabilities are good enough to retire my 59AVi & the Blu-ray capabilities may avoid me from having to rig a hack set up for integrated remote integration.

I just received an email from Pioneer sayng the BDP HD1 is now available! :eek:

Got the same email. I am hopeful Tweeter will at least now have its units by the projected 12/29/06 date.

I just received an email from Pioneer sayng the BDP HD1 is now available! :eek:

Ya gonna get one Joe?

:cool:

I'm sure Pioneer will be getting a new flagship receiver next year. Rumor has it around the summer of 2007 with the new advanced codecs built in with HDMI 1.3 switching. Hopefully it will get announced at CES..

You can WAIT for it but you DO NOT NEED IT.

So if I don't need the new updated receiver. I can get the full bitrate uncompressed LPCM tracks thru the analog outs from the Elite DVD player into my analog ins to my Elite receiver?

And if they do the firmware updates for the Dolby True HD & DTS HD MA I can get the full bitrate Dolby True HD & DTS HD MA thru the analog outs from the Elite DVD player into my analog ins to my Elite receiver I already have?

The new Elite BD player has the Dolby True HD & DTS HD MA decoders built into it so the receiver doesn't have to have the decoders? They just need the firmware updates to send out the Dolby True HD & DTS HD MA signals & that can be sent out full bitrate thru the analog outs if you don't have a HDMI receiver?

If so that means I wouldn't have to update my reciever later from what your reply was? I can just use the analogs on the Elite flagship receiver I have now & won't lose any sound by doing it that way?

You can WAIT for it but you DO NOT NEED IT.


Why is everyone worrying about HDMI 1.3 for decoding the advanced audio codecs? I believe that Pioneer will come through and have a firmware upgrade soon to decode them internally in the player. In that case HDMI 1.3 in regards to the advanced audio codecs is not needed and useless, as long as you currently own a receiver with HDMI switching.

I just received an email from Pioneer sayng the BDP HD1 is now available! :eek:

Received that today as well...a little late I guess.

This afternoon - I will ALSO try it.

But right now I'm DEEP into Crestron Programming
so I can control things and put away the remote [GRIN]!

We look forward to your OWNERS report on 480i.

I am trying to get my Pronto programmed...I am tired of having to keep my closest door opened where my rack is just to use my Pioneer...LOL!

I watched Ultraviolet and the DVD of Dead Man's Chest last night. I thought UV looked exactly as it did in the Theater. It was a stylized movie, shot in a certain style and look for effect and I understand that some people don't like it. My point is that I was very pleased with this version.

DMC was magnificent. The up convert on this machine rivals that of my 79Avi. There was one spot where a layer change consistently caused about a 3/10 of a second lag in the 79Avi, while the HD1 skipped right through it in what appeared to be a few hundredth’s of a second. Darks scenes revealed great detail, such as the grain on the timbers in bilge scenes and details in the dark "Black Pearl". Impressive! My wife asked in one scene that really popped (for DVD), "Are we watching this on Blue Disc"? :D

Not a single glitch or freeze yet! It is lighter and smaller in height than the 79Avi, but it is at least as good of an SD DVD player as the 79Avi, and layer changes may just let it better the 79! I'll report more over the weekend (as time allows.)

I read your thread of Christmas Vacation and upconverting in on the BDP-HD1 and then became very curious to see what it looked like...so tonight I broke out old Clark and the gang on SD-DVD for the joyous Christmas Vacation and tried it in the BDP-HD1. WOW, huge difference! I was actually very pleasently suprised. That was one horrible looking movie on a regular DVD player. Very impressed with the upconverting of this player.

In My Book - The Reference Blu-Ray Disk is House of Flying Daggers.

Just so much detail and color - it will blow you away

Wow, I have to get that...After hearing so many reviews I am now starting to wonder if I should just ignore all bad BD movie reviews and just actually try them for myself. It is like The Fifth Element. Everyone said is was horrible. I tried it the other night and it was far from horrible. Granted it was not the best I have seen on Blu-ray, but a lot better than everyone made it out to be. It was as good, if not better than I had seen on HBO-HD via cable.

Joe - I think you will find the Pioneer worth waiting for
and so FAR - I THINK WORTH EVERY PENNY because of
the QUALITY.

It is depressing to READ all the GLITCHES with the Sony
Blu-Ray and even more depressing to READ all the BUGS
with the 2nd Gen Toshiba. There is NO EXCUSE for screwing
up a 2nd Gen player after they did such a great job with
the 1st Gen Toshiba.

I agree with you...quality so far has been nothing short of outstanding, especially for a 1st generation player.

I loved "Hero"! I have this title and will take time to watch it closely this afternoon. I remember popping it in last night for a few minutes and I was amazed in the opening segment of the movie, where a rack of swords are panned in a closeup... the detail in the scabbards blew me away!

I'll get back with you after I see it! I'm really looking forward to viewing it now that you have mentioned it. It has received so many bad reviews and I found some of the worst reviews represent movies that I think are quite amazing. :p


It is like when movie critics give a bad review to a movie and then you go and see it and are left walking out of the theater scratching your head wondering what they were talking about.

So if I don't need the new updated receiver. I can get the full bitrate uncompressed LPCM tracks thru the analog outs from the Elite DVD player into my analog ins to my Elite receiver?

And if they do the firmware updates for the Dolby True HD & DTS HD MA I can get the full bitrate Dolby True HD & DTS HD MA thru the analog outs from the Elite DVD player into my analog ins to my Elite receiver I already have?

The new Elite BD player has the Dolby True HD & DTS HD MA decoders built into it so the receiver doesn't have to have the decoders? They just need the firmware updates to send out the Dolby True HD & DTS HD MA signals & that can be sent out full bitrate thru the analog outs if you don't have a HDMI receiver?

If so that means I wouldn't have to update my reciever later from what your reply was? I can just use the analogs on the Elite flagship receiver I have now & won't lose any sound by doing it that way?

Do you have Bass managment on the analog inputs? If no you might be in "trouble", as most DVD players[be it any format] don't do, or have incomplete bass managment. Most notably loosing LFE info.
See this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=748147

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Yes I have bass management on my analog ins on my reciever. It allows you to set speakers small or large & set the crossover frequency for the bass on analog ins. It's the Pioneer Elite flagship receiver VSX84TXI. It has the firewire connection but no HDMI.

I don't have a seperate subwoofer. I have the Pioneer Elite TZ speakers with 300 watt subs in each speaker so I don't need a seperate subwoofer.

Has anyone compared the picture & sound quality to the Panasonic Blu-Ray player?

Is it worth it to trade it in & get the Pioneer Elite?

I would be losing the DVD-audio & CD playback & the 7.1 analog outs I have with the Panasonic. Panasonic is the only one that has promised the advanced codecs in March-April timeframe.

I have the Pioneer Elite Pro730HDI T.V. which I'm almost sure doesn't do 24fps. I think it's 60fps.

Is there anything I would gain by trading in the Panasonic & getting the Pioneer Elite? Better Blu-Ray picture or sound?

So if I don't need the new updated receiver. I can get the full bitrate uncompressed LPCM tracks thru the analog outs from the Elite DVD player into my analog ins to my Elite receiver?

And if they do the firmware updates for the Dolby True HD & DTS HD MA I can get the full bitrate Dolby True HD & DTS HD MA thru the analog outs from the Elite DVD player into my analog ins to my Elite receiver I already have?

The new Elite BD player has the Dolby True HD & DTS HD MA decoders built into it so the receiver doesn't have to have the decoders? They just need the firmware updates to send out the Dolby True HD & DTS HD MA signals & that can be sent out full bitrate thru the analog outs if you don't have a HDMI receiver?

If so that means I wouldn't have to update my reciever later from what your reply was? I can just use the analogs on the Elite flagship receiver I have now & won't lose any sound by doing it that way?

High-Def DVD Player Manufacturers - BOTH FORMATS - Knew it would be a
very long time [probably 5 years] before the INSTALLED Base of older Receivers
would someday be replaced. Therefore they said lets make sure customers could
enjoy Lossless audio during that transition period. Therefore we will provide two
paths for that ---

1) 5.1 Analog Out - with INTERNAL PLAYER Codecs.

2) 7.1 PCM HDMI Version 1.1 with INTERNAL PLAYER Codecs.

3) Current HD Movie content [both formats] is authored to require
INTERNAL PLAYER DECODE. That means even if you had a receiver
with HDMI 1.3 and lossless codecs in the receiver they WOULD DO
NOTHING. All Decoding would take place in the DVD Player.

If you have 5.1 audio in today - you can enjoy lossless audio over the 5.1
analog channels.

If you buy ANY RECEIVER on the Planet that has at least HDMI 1.1 - then
you are GOLDEN until that receiver DIES of OLD AGE.

The only warning I would put on that last statement is pay attention to
the Video Format the HDMI interface can support. The HDMI 1.1 and up
standards support 1080p. However - some Manufacturers may not have paid
the EXTRA royalties to get the interface certified to 1080p format. If your
new receiver switches 1080p - Then the current receiver technology is GOOD
until it dies [GRIN]!

I am trying to get my Pronto programmed...I am tired of having to keep my closest door opened where my rack is just to use my Pioneer...LOL!

You DID Notice that Jeff Hagg posted the Pronto CCF file?

It has 100% of all the Player Codes in Pronto Format.

My Crestron Programming is done. A Piece of cake.

The HDMI 1.1 and up standards support 1080p. However - some Manufacturers may not have paid the EXTRA royalties to get the interface certified to 1080p format.

drhankz. The "1080p support" in the HDMI 1.1 specs was "optionnal". That's why some manufacturers didn't include it.

BTW, I didn't received my Pio Elite last week... Pio Canada told me they were doing a "last minute firmware upgrade" before shipping, causing a delay... No more details... :( Sigh...

Has anyone experienced any freezes on SD or BD? I am curious to find out if the BDP-HD1 has the same problem several users of the Sony S1 have reported. Both machines use a very similar build and share the same drive so it may be possible that Pioneer has made some firmware changes that has solved this problem.

So far the very few that have them have put them thru the paces and have had no issues... :)

drhankz. The "1080p support" in the HDMI 1.1 specs was "optionnal". That's why some manufacturers didn't include it.

BTW, I didn't received my Pio Elite last week... Pio Canada told me they were doing a "last minute firmware upgrade" before shipping, causing a delay... No more details... :( Sigh...

Got to LOVE those OPTIONAL capabilities.

As for the Pio Upgrade - Maybe they left out the Canadian
French Language Support [GRIN]? Besides - you told me 12/27.
It is only 12/24 [GRIN]! Santa hasn't arrived yet.

Has anyone experienced any freezes on SD or BD? I am curious to find out if the BDP-HD1 has the same problem several users of the Sony S1 have reported. Both machines use a very similar build and share the same drive so it may be possible that Pioneer has made some firmware changes that has solved this problem.

I have had my BDP-HD1 running for three days now.

I have loaded lots of Blu-Ray discs and SD DVDs.

So far - I can not find one single glitch.

Has anyone experienced any freezes on SD or BD? I am curious to find out if the BDP-HD1 has the same problem several users of the Sony S1 have reported. Both machines use a very similar build and share the same drive so it may be possible that Pioneer has made some firmware changes that has solved this problem.

I experienced a freeze when I was first using it but it was not during play and was likely my fault. I pressed the display dimmer button on the front panel during loading. The player froze such that I had to power it down and re-boot to do anything. Lesson learned.....don't touch anything during loading process. Multi-tasking not allowed.

If that's the worse then I think we will be alright... :)

For what it's worth in terms of evaluating a possible freeze issue, my S1 appears to be worse than most (5 out of 10 DVDs and 1 out of 6 BDs). With the exception a 1 or 2 slight stutters, all my freeze ups have occured at about the mid point (i.e. layer change ?) or later in the movie that actually froze. The ones that froze after the mid point also showed some stuttering problem starting around the mid point. The only BD to freeze was Pearl Harbor (50 GB) at ~ 1 minute past mid point. My guess is that the read head in my unit may have some problems with data located further from the surface.

If the freeze (SD discs) is just momentary (1-2 sec) and then play resumes fine on it's own - it's a layer change. (However not all layer changes are mid-point.) If the image stays frozen - and you have to FF, REW or power off the unit - that's something else.

I experienced a freeze when I was first using it but it was not during play and was likely my fault. I pressed the display dimmer button on the front panel during loading. The player froze such that I had to power it down and re-boot to do anything. Lesson learned.....don't touch anything during loading process. Multi-tasking not allowed.

Using any BLEEDING edge Technology is like DRINKING
and DRIVING.

You need to use it in MODERATION [GRIN]!

If the freeze (SD discs) is just momentary (1-2 sec) and then play resumes fine on it's own - it's a layer change. (However not all layer changes are mid-point.) If the image stays frozen - and you have to FF, REW or power off the unit - that's something else.

John: My number counts are only those instances where FF, power off etc. were required.

Thanks for the info on the lossless audio. So it will do the uncompressed LPCM thru the analogs. And once it is available it will do Dolby True HD & DTS HD MA thru the analogs also at full bitrate & sound as good as the audio would have sounded thru the HDMI connection? My analog in on my receiver has full bass management.

Do you think it's worth it for me to trade in the Panasonic & get the Pioneer?

I'd be going from 7.1 analog outs to 5.1 analog outs & losing DVD-audio & CD playing capabilities that the Panasonic has.

Has anyone compared the picture quality & sound on the Pioneer Elite unit to the Panasonic Blu-Ray player?

Is it worth the extra cost to trade the Panny in? I know Panny said they would have the advanced codecs firmware update by April.

I have to make the decision this next week if I'm going to trade it for the Pioneer Elite.

Thanks for the info on the lossless audio. So it will do the uncompressed LPCM thru the analogs. My analog in on my receiver has full bass management.

Do you think it's worth it for me to trade in the Panasonic & get the Pioneer?

I'd be going from 7.1 analog outs to 5.1 analog outs & losing DVD-audio & CD playing capabilities that the Panasonic has.



A deciding factor may be how The Descent is handled in your situation. The movie is coming out this week. From what I understand it will be the first BD movie with 6.1 PCM sound. Will the Panasonic output the discrete back channel from it's 7.1 analog outs? How will a 5.1 analog output device, such as the Pioneer, handle this. This isn't an issue for HDMI AVRs, but in your case it might be.

I have the Panasonic BD player, but won't have my copy of The Descent until this week. I'll be curious to see how the Panasonic 7.1 outputs handle this soundtrack.

Good question Frank. Let me know if you get the discrete back channel on the 7.1 LPCM thru the analog outs. You can PM me or post it in this thread. I'd really like to know the answer to that question.

Also if anyone has compared the picture quality & sound quality of the Pioneer Elite vs the Panasonic let me know.

You DID Notice that Jeff Hagg posted the Pronto CCF file?

It has 100% of all the Player Codes in Pronto Format.

My Crestron Programming is done. A Piece of cake.

Yes I did...already downloaded it and I finished programming my Pronto last night. Gotta love copying and pasting IR codes...definitely saves a lot of time. Was done in a matter of minutes!

Has anyone experienced any freezes on SD or BD? I am curious to find out if the BDP-HD1 has the same problem several users of the Sony S1 have reported. Both machines use a very similar build and share the same drive so it may be possible that Pioneer has made some firmware changes that has solved this problem.

I have had my Pioneer since Wednesday...only had one minor issue, I think it was just my impatience though. Have played a bunch a Blu-ray discs and SD-DVD's, perfect so far!

That's great to read! Can't wait to give her a test drive! :)

I am saving money for this, I am very impressed about no glitches but I do not like the look of the DVD player but with no glitches, stability is all that matters

I agree. At this point it is either the Pioneer or the Panasonic as the best Br players to get!

I agree. At this point it is either the Pioneer or the Panasonic as the best Br players to get!

JOE:

If the Panasonic is so GOOD - Why does the Panasonic website
HIDE all the Specifications. I can not find real Specs on the Panny
anywhere. I don't call the Specs Below - very imppressive. I view
them as NEGATIVE Specs.

UNPARALLELED PICTURE QUALITY
• Advanced I/P Conversion with P4HD (Pixel Precision Progressive Processing for HD)
• 1080P Up-Conversion for All Discs

Specs or no Specs it puts out an impressive picture. I could stick my head up a cow's rear but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it! :D Serisously, I know the spec sheet is hard to find (if there is one) but it has to have something good inside otherwise it wouldn't have stayed this long in my set up. :)

Before my Panasonic broke, I found the image a bit soft. It could very well have been the software though, and now that there are more discs out, I look forward to really seeing what Blu can do, with the Pioneer.

JOE:

If the Panasonic is so GOOD - Why does the Panasonic website
HIDE all the Specifications. I can not find real Specs on the Panny
anywhere. I don't call the Specs Below - very imppressive. I view
them as NEGATIVE Specs.

UNPARALLELED PICTURE QUALITY
• Advanced I/P Conversion with P4HD (Pixel Precision Progressive Processing for HD)
• 1080P Up-Conversion for All Discs


Can you tell us how these few specs that you mention are bad and how they make the Panasonic a bad player? Do you think Panasonic is hiding something by not publishing their specs? Does Panasonic get any points for being the only company to promise a firmware upgrade for the newer audio codecs in April? If Panasonic was being deceitful, would they have already announced the planned firmware update? Pioneer took longer to come to market. Shouldn't they have had the time to incorporate the new codecs? Does that make Pioneer inferior?

Also, can you tell us which specs you'd like to see and what the differences in the specs between the players would make a noticeable difference in PQ or SQ that would affect your decision on which to purchase? Can you quantize the numerical differences that would make one player better than the other on a 1 to 10 scale?

If you can't do this, then I have to wonder why you're so disturbed that the Panasonic specs aren't yet available and why you feel the few "specs" that are available are negative.

There is nothing negative about the Panny. It is a very nice unit. ANd with its 7.1 analog outs I think they get extra credit. Plus the fact they have announced a new firmware coming in April... I am only doing an A/B with it and the Pioneer becasue like I have posted before I like being able to do 480i over HDMI for my SD dvds... My crystalio II will have a field day deinterlacing it to 1080p! :)

Is there any info yet on what Pioneer is using for the SD mpeg decoder and scaler.? I expect a great BD picture, but I also expect to be watching SD discs for quite a while.

...alan

Wonder how the Pioneer does SD layer changes???

Wonder how the Pioneer does SD layer changes???

In my setup I have only noticed one layer change while playing DVD’s. The 79Avi I have took maybe a second to switch layers, but the HD1 took a few hundredths of a second to do it. I was viewing "Dead Man's Chest" as the DVD.

Wonder how the Pioneer does SD layer changes???

Like Mr. Cathode Ray - I found the SD layer change very fast.
Just a brief hiccup and it continued on. It is not ZERO - can't
be - but certainly not any issue.

Has anyone had a further update from Tweeter regarding the expected in-store date for the HD1? I am hoping they get them before 12/29. Thanks

same here waitng for tweeter, they said 29 is when it might be there

To any Pioneer owners, does the BDP-HD1 output a 5.1 LPCM signal on 5.1 LPCM sources? The Sony blu ray player states that it does but it seems to only output a 7.1 lpcm signal all the time. Even on 5.1 encodes.

Thanks

Has anyone had a further update from Tweeter regarding the expected in-store date for the HD1? I am hoping they get them before 12/29. Thanks
I just spoke with Tweeter in Houston and was told their computer now is showing 1/03/07 as the arrival date for the BDP-HD1.

Yesterday I found that the Pioneer (and the Sony) will not play the new Lion's Gate release of "The Descent". See the thread on Blu-ray software section. I got blank screen as described on my Pioneer. It appears that it is a player issue and not the disc. This disc plays in PS3, Samsung (firmware updated) and Panasonic players. Apparently the Pioneer and Sony players do not support the Java based encoding used this disc and future releases. One person posted a quote from the Sony manuel that this problem would be fixed with firmware update in 2007. What about the Pioneer player........any firmware fix coming soon??????

I just spoke with Tweeter in Houston and was told their computer now is showing 1/03/07 as the arrival date for the BDP-HD1.

DAMN! I didn't know that interstate freight could still be delivered by pack animal!

Hopefully, they are as poorly informed as they were when I cancelled my Sony S1 preorder from them. BB got the S1s in very early December as posted here. BB also sent me a 12% off coupon. Called Sound Advice (Tweeter in FL) and talked to one of the sales persons I had been dealing with. He said the Sony rep had been in the day before and said he didn't know when the units would be available. Canceled order and bought a S1 at BB that afternoon. The next morning I got a call from the other Sound Advice person I had been dealing with asking if I was still interested in the S1. They had received a shipment of S1s that morning!!!!

Yesterday I found that the Pioneer (and the Sony) will not play the new Lion's Gate release of "The Descent".........any firmware fix coming soon??????So much for delaying the player's release by six-plus months just to make sure all the bugs are ironed out. :rolleyes:

So much for delaying the player's release by six-plus months just to make sure all the bugs are ironed out. :rolleyes:

BE HONEST - That is NOT A BUG!

BE HONEST - That is NOT A BUG!Right. Aren't you the one who considers "Unparalleled picture quality," "Advanced I/P Conversion" and "1080P Up-Conversion for All Discs" to be negative specs on the Panasonic player?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9265345&&#post9265345

I'd consider the inability to play a disc that's currently available a serious bug. At least Samsung and Panasonic had the good sense to make their firmware updates available before the first Fox BD-J titles came out.

BE HONEST - That is NOT A BUG!

What the frak is it then?

Right. Aren't you the one who considers "Unparalleled picture quality," "Advanced I/P Conversion" and "1080P Up-Conversion for All Discs" to be negative specs on the Panasonic player?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9265345&&#post9265345

I'd consider the inability to play a disc that's currently available a serious bug. At least Samsung and Panasonic had the good sense to make their firmware updates available before the first Fox BD-J titles came out.

Oh and HD DVD Players had TrueHD Support Before the DVDs were Released.

Oh - Ya HD DVD Players also had U-Control Enabled before the DVDs were Released.

ALL in Good Time.

Oh and HD DVD Players had TrueHD Support Before the DVDs were Released.HD DVDs with TrueHD still play on players that don't support TrueHD decoding.

Oh - Ya HD DVD Players also had U-Control Enabled before the DVDs were Released.If I remember correctly, they did. Support for U-Control was added with firmware 2.0, which was made available before discs that featured U-Control came out. I had firmware 2.0 by late August, and I think FATF3 came out in late September.

On the other hand, BD-J discs that are available now apparently do not work at all on players that do not support BD-J. Can you see the difference here?

"A software bug is an error, flaw, mistake, failure, or fault in a computer program that prevents it from behaving as intended." Wikipedia.

Sony INTENTIONALLY (you CAN argue the decision) decided to do more work with BD-J before implementing it on their player. They will, as stated, support it going forward.

Jim

Well. it really looks like even this highly hyped BR player isn't quite ready for prime time either. :rolleyes:

Man, I sure I've grown tired of being the proverbial "guinea pig" for electronic manufactures...that with things like El Cassette, DAT, the D-Theater HD tape format debacle and never mind flawed JVC decks, a myriad of PJs problems plus a host of other similar technologies...and now this (in addition to obscenely priced BR and HD-DVD movies, by the way)?... :mad:

-THTS

"A software bug is an error, flaw, mistake, failure, or fault in a computer program that prevents it from behaving as intended." Wikipedia.

Sony INTENTIONALLY (you CAN argue the decision) decided to do more work with BD-J before implementing it on their player. They will, as stated, support it going forward.

Jim

Jim, well stated. It is not a big deal that the Sony and Pioneer new release players lack support at this time for what is apparently one disc so far released. I am confident that they will provide the fix sooner rather than later. All of the players introduced so far have required firmware fixes. The new Pioneer player has not produced any glitches in the week I have owned it. The fact that I cannot immediately play one title is not such a big deal.

Hi Roger,
I agree. I think we will see the upgrade 1Q.

Jim

The fact that I cannot immediately play one title is not such a big deal.Well, okay, you may have me here. I know The Descent is problematic because it is BD-J authored, but I thought I read elsewhere that League of Extraordinary Gentlemen also has playback issues for the same reason. I could be wrong, though.

And I do hope that the firmware fix for you guys is sooner rather than later. You may not care for The Descent, but what if you did? My overall point is that these players have been delayed for as much as half a year; BD-J should have been there from day one to reward you guys for your patience.

I have been seriously considering getting a Pioneer, but this-- and a few other reasons-- have given me pause.

Yesterday, in the Sony thread I responded to a question about the Pioneer player by passing on a hearsay comment about a player "locking-up." In the interest of fairness and accuracy, I subsequently determined the "lock-up" only occurred once during the player start-up and was corrected by unplugging the player. The owner indicates the player has never had a movie "freeze" and performs flawlessly. I posted this in that thread as well.

Jim

Well, okay, you may have me here. I know The Descent is problematic because it is BD-J authored, but I thought I read elsewhere that League of Extraordinary Gentlemen also has playback issues for the same reason. I could be wrong, though.

And I do hope that the firmware fix for you guys is sooner rather than later. You may not care for The Descent, but what if you did? My overall point is that these players have been delayed for as much as half a year; BD-J should have been there from day one to reward you guys for your patience.

I have been seriously considering getting a Pioneer, but this-- and a few other reasons-- have given me pause.

No problems with League of Extraordinary Gentlemen playback on either the Sony or the Pioneer (haven't tried it on the Panny).

Can't argue your point about "BD-J should have been there...," I agree.
(as should have HD audio)

Jim

Can't argue your point about "BD-J should have been there...," I agree.
(as should have HD audio)HD audio is another reason I'm reconsidering the Pioneer. I already have the Panasonic, with the option to exchange it for the Pioneer. If I did, I'd want to know exactly what I'd be gaining, because based on specs alone I'd be giving up a lot, too.

Well, okay, you may have me here. I know The Descent is problematic because it is BD-J authored, but I thought I read elsewhere that League of Extraordinary Gentlemen also has playback issues for the same reason. I could be wrong, though.

And I do hope that the firmware fix for you guys is sooner rather than later. You may not care for The Descent, but what if you did? My overall point is that these players have been delayed for as much as half a year; BD-J should have been there from day one to reward you guys for your patience.

I have been seriously considering getting a Pioneer, but this-- and a few other reasons-- have given me pause.

I just checked out League of Extrodinary Gentlemen and SPEED and there was no problem with loading nor chapter check. SPEED did experience slow load and the one minute of rotating dots that also shows up on other players but it loaded and played. I also watched in full Kingdom of Heaven earlier this week with no problem. The Fox titles seem fine.

With the firmware fix, the Samsung player is actually getting very good reviews at about half the price of the Pioneer. Price was an issue, but I went ahead with the Pioneer.

"A software bug is an error, flaw, mistake, failure, or fault in a computer program that prevents it from behaving as intended." Wikipedia.

Sony INTENTIONALLY (you CAN argue the decision) decided to do more work with BD-J before implementing it on their player. They will, as stated, support it going forward.

Jim

That was my POINT in not calling this a BUG. You have to have something
Implemented, Turned-On, Enabled - and then NOT WORKING RIGHT to
call it a BUG. You can't have a BUG in something not even implemented
yet.

Sure - we can all complain with the delays in product Availability - we should
have had more on Launch Day - But I'm PERFECTLY Happy with the NO
Bugs and Perfectly Reliability - Which is what I have seen for features
INSTALLED and Working, as of today. I pre-ordered this player because
it would be the first to deliver 1080p/24 natively. For that PQ - I am very
happy. The rest of bells and whistles can come in good time.

I look forward to a FW upgrade to ENABLE more - but that is the ONLY HONEST
complaint we can have to date.

HD audio is another reason I'm reconsidering the Pioneer. I already have the Panasonic, with the option to exchange it for the Pioneer. If I did, I'd want to know exactly what I'd be gaining, because based on specs alone I'd be giving up a lot, too.

The January issue of Sound & Vision reports that the Panasonic suffers from "The Chroma Bug". I have not read the threads on the Panny so have no idea if this is accurate. If Panasonic can provide the audio upgrades with firmware, I assume that Sony and Pioneer can also. There are also reports (rumor) that Samsung will announce gen 2 player at CES with advanced audio support and HDMI 1.3?????????

HD audio is another reason I'm reconsidering the Pioneer. I already have the Panasonic, with the option to exchange it for the Pioneer. If I did, I'd want to know exactly what I'd be gaining, because based on specs alone I'd be giving up a lot, too.

I don't think anyone here can guarantee you a FW upgrade to
support Lossless Audio.

I for one have my FINGERS Crossed [GRIN]!

The January issue of Sound & Vision reports that the Panasonic suffers from "The Chroma Bug". I have not read the threads on the Panny so have no idea if this is accurate. Although this is true of SD DVDs (and I do consider it a knock against the Panny, along with crushed blacks on BDs) I have yet to see CUE show up on BDs. But let's not overlook the fact that Pioneer's track record on CUE isn't so great, either. In fact, can you or some other Pioneer owner please look for CUE on SD DVDs? That would be very helpful. Thanks.

Off-topic and rude posts removed. Keep it civil, please.

So much for delaying the player's release by six-plus months just to make sure all the bugs are ironed out. :rolleyes:

I have owned the Pioneer since last Wednesday. I have watched different Blu-ray movies so far, put this thing through all kinds of beatings, and it has performed flawlessly! Has anyone else actually experienced this blank issue with the Descent or any other title? Until we hear numerous issues with this title or really with a bunch of titles, then you can start saying that the player is buggy.

HTMan, have you tried The Descent?

I have owned the Pioneer since last Wednesday. I have watched different Blu-ray movies so far, put this thing through all kinds of beatings, and it has performed flawlessly! Has anyone else actually experienced this blank issue with the Descent or any other title? Until we hear numerous issues with this title or really with a bunch of titles, then you can start saying that the player is buggy.

Out of the 40 BD titles that I own, “Descent” is the only one that will not play in my HD1. I have yet to experience a "glitch" with any other movie (SD or BD). It will load the disc, recognizes it is a BD Rom and puts up "play" on the front panel. The counter then comes up at all zeros. It displays a blank screen and just sits there doing nothing (while the counter remains displaying all zeros). Ejecting the disc returns the player to normal operation. I have no idea what causes it, or why it is the only title that I have tried that has not played perfectly in my Pioneer.

I really look forward to hearing any news concerning this issue. I am sure it will be a matter of time only, before some resolution is found.

does any bd player play descent? how the heck did they release a title that doesn't play; in fact, how did they qc it?

“Descent” is the only one that will not play in my HD1. .

It is like King Kong on HD DVD and others that required a FW
upgrade to enable U-Control. Without U-Control the DVD would
not play. It wasn't until Toshiba released FW 2.0 that U-Control
was turned on. So far I haven't used it once.

Descent - Requires BD-Java - which is not IN THE PLAYER YET.

Therefore it doesn't play.

I imagine when BD-Java is turned on someday - I will use it
until the COWS come home. I just can't wait.

I am considering buying the Pioneer unit. There seems to be a lot of discussion in this forum about the ability to playback certain titles. I have not noticed many posts about the quality of the picture.

As you all know, when the Samsung was originally reviewed in this Forum, there were numerous complaints about picture quality.

How is the overall quality of the movies being played on the Pioneer?
Do you feel like all of the problems associated with the Samsung have been fixed with the Pioneer?
Can anyone can compare it to the Samsung?

Thanks for your help!

I am considering buying the Pioneer unit. There seems to be a lot of discussion in this forum about the ability to playback certain titles. I have not noticed many posts about the quality of the picture.

As you all know, when the Samsung was originally reviewed in this Forum, there were numerous complaints about picture quality.

How is the overall quality of the movies being played on the Pioneer?
Do you feel like all of the problems associated with the Samsung have been fixed with the Pioneer?
Can anyone can compare it to the Samsung?

Thanks for your help!

No One has found an HONEST BUG.

They Have FOUND ---
Some features are not yet implemented. There are no guarantees
of specific features being part of a FW upgrade.

My Two cent opinion says since all the MISSING Features are
in the Manual - that it is likely they will be ENABLED when a
FW update is released.

The only complaints people have been able to post are that
so and so feature is not there. There is one NEW Blu-Ray
release this week that NEEDS a new feature - not implemented
yet - so therefore it does NOT PLAY as one would expect.

As for PQ - I owned the Samsung for 24 hours.

The Pioneer outputs 1080p/24 - which is as GOOD AS YOU
can get. Since I have also owned a Toshiba HD-A1 since day
one - I thought the PQ of that would be HARD to beat.

IT HAS NOW BEEN BEATEN.

Thanx drhankz!

I am looking forward to getting one of these units real soon (hopefully in a day or so). I can't wait! :)

I am looking forward to getting one of these units real soon (hopefully in a day or so). I can't wait! :)

Joe:

Don't you already have a Blu-Ray Player?

FYI - I'll be AT CES in the Pioneer Booth.

I'll pick up the FW Upgrade DVD [GRIN]!

Yes, I mean getting the pioneer unit...

Yes, I mean getting the pioneer unit...

JOE --- I know you mean getting the Pioneer Unit.

I THOUGHT you already had ANOTHER brand of Blu-Ray PLAYER!