Hi ho,

I'm busy trying to tweak my Runco 933 to work with my TiVo HD. Based on advice from the forum I got the RGB transcoder, so now it's time to start playing with the Runco itself.

Given that the Runco manual is written in an obscure sub-dialect of Swahili, I figure I ought to ask before I press the wrong button and destroy my current settings. So I have a couple of questions for starters:

1) Exactly what does the NORMAL button do? In particular, in Point mode. Does it reset all the point convergence adjustments back to 0? I am concerned that in one of my current setups, the underlying convergence is off and it's being corrected by the point adjustments (when I switch to that setting, the convergence is way off, then clicks into the proper state).

2) How, exactly, in excruciatingly pedantic detail, do I copy an existing setup to a new slot and then associate it with a new input (and get that input registered properly). I'm petrified that I'm going to muck up one of my current setups, and that part of the manual is written in proto-Indo-European.

My plan is to create a good 4x3 setup based on my current 4x3 setups (via the tripler), and then copy it and adjust it to 16x9.

Much obliged for any help you AV experts (and linguists) can provide.

best
R

1. It sets the values to the Default data for that scanrate "block". To set to Zero instead, press CRTL + NORMAL, then pick CANCEL and ENTER.

This will set the values of the current menu level and everthing below it to Zero. Very handy, means your can reset the whole projector from the top level (pick Alignment, Convergence and Focus but leave the rest alone).

2. Feed it your new signal. Press Adjust, then pick Signal Entry. Pick an empty slot, create a new memory, RGB, then pick another slot as the source. Easy.

I greatly appreciate the quick reply. However, I'm still a bit confused (this is normal for me)

2. Feed it your new signal. Press Adjust, then pick Signal Entry. Pick an empty slot, create a new memory, RGB, then pick another slot as the source. Easy.

Umm... No. This is exactly the problem I have with the manual. It's easy for you, because you've done it before. It is not easy for me, because I haven't. That's why step-by-step instructions that make no assumptions are crucial (and, because the manuals are written by expert users, they often make unwarranted assumptions about the knowledge of the reader)

I have no idea what you mean by "pick another slot as the source", for example. Do you mean "select another slot that already has a setup (ie: a selectable input) from which to copy everything but the signal data?"

The 933 appears to have a set of inputs and a set of signal entries that can be associated with the inputs, but it is entirely unclear from the documentation what the relationship is and how to properly set it up. And I've re-read it multiple times.

Assume I have a current setup in input 1. How do I copy this to input 2, and then create and associate a new signal entry with input 2, without changing ANYTHING about input 1 or any of the existing signal entries?

Also, how do I clone a setup so I can mess with the clone without mucking up the original (this time, maintaining the original signal info)? I *think* I know how to do this, but again, I'm paranoid about getting myself into an unrecoverable hole.

1. It sets the values to the Default data for that scanrate "block". To set to Zero instead, press CRTL + NORMAL, then pick CANCEL and ENTER.


So, to zero out the point settings, go into point, then proceed as above (lovely how you have to CANCEL and ENTER, since in the entire rest of the civilized world, CANCEL means do nothing!). Then go back and do the manual convergence again and get it as close as possible, and finally tweak with point. Right?

Ok, I'm not certain about Runcos, but on a stock NEC.

- Press ADJUST

- Pick SIGNAL ENTRY

- Move the highlight bar to an EMPTY MEMORY SLOT

- Press ENTER

- Pick NEW ENTRY, then RGB (not video), then TEMPORARY (if available, otherwise default) for the source for the new data.

- You memory is created, you then need to set it up, starting with PHASE.

Deleting point you select each color holding the CTL button down then hit the R G or B depending on the color your on then hit the normal button. When asked to normalize select 'yes'. Repeat for each color. This is per memory line from the input list.

If you want to make a back up copy of a signal entry you can select a empty line, lets say back in the 50's line. Use the arrows to go back to that page. With the signal running select adjust / signal entry / new entry / RGB / temporary. Make the entry then go back to signal entry and select data copy while your on the new entry. Select the source line you normally use and the destination the new entry you just entered. When asked to save phase setting select yes. It will make a copy of the memory you were using. Name it so you know what it is. Make sure you go back to the orig signal line. If you make changes to this it wont affect the copy in the 50's line.

This may be a little different depending on models but just make sure your source and destination is selected right. Dont copy the new entry to the line you were using before.

Read this over a few times. Doug

If you want to make a back up copy of a signal entry you can select a empty line, lets say back in the 50's line.

Things are becoming clearer to me now, but before I proceed, to avoid confusion, what do you mean by "the 50's line"?

Best,R

The memories are listed 0-99. Doug means some in the 50's, where NEC (Runco?) would put the factory settings.

If the 50's lines are used already then use the 40's lines where there are open numbers available. Use the down arrow to scroll through the numbers and pages. Thanks Mark. Doug

No wuckers Doug :)

(Did you read my e-mail of my white balance adventures? 2 scopes given 2 completely different results - must have been triggering wrong....)

First of all, a big thankyou to everyone who responded.

I finally managed to muddle through it all. The advice on how to properly copy a setup greatly reduced the pucker factor.

Some notes for the next poor bastard:

* There was no RGB selection screen on my RUNCO.

* After I entered the memory number I wanted to use, it asked me for a "slot" (IIRC, don't have the silly thing on right now). For convenience, I used the same slot as the memory I was setting (ie: slot 9 for memory 9). On my Runco, the only memories being used were in the 1-10 range, the ones commandable by the remote.

It appears that there are more memories than slots (ie: multiple pages of memories, one page of slots), though I'm not sure, I didn't check. Is there really any difference between the two? To play it safe, I checked that the other preset memories it already had were not using the slots I selected. The guy who originally set it up used the memory N uses slot N convention, so this was not a problem.

* After creating the new memory, I used the data copy process (described in a previous reply) to copy over everything, including phase.

* I played around with the phase settings, using them to center the image on the screen. The diagonal phase was a bit hard to do, since i couldn't see the "kink" in them that was supposed to be there, but I balanced them visually.

* I zeroed out the point convergence settings, then converged things by hand, using the various tweaks (pin, etc). Got it pretty close but I am sure that an expert could get it better - some things I just had to eyeball, like linearity.

One aspect of this was getting the display centered on the screen with appropriate overscan (and then tweaking it with the position and blanking options hidden in OPERATE mode). I've gotten it pretty close to what I want but would appreciate advice on dialing this in properly.

A sub-element of this is aspect ratio. My first setup was a HD 4x3 one; my screen is 4x3. Without any test patterns coming out of the HD TiVo (I'm recommending that they add a feature that displays them!), I went on the assumption that if the coarse grid squares were in fact square, then I'd be set up for proper 4x3 -- and if they were 4x3, then they'd be set up for 16x9. This seems to be correct, but I wanted to check.

* After all the general tweaks, I point-converged the display.

* Then I repeated the process, copying my new HD 4x3 into a new memory, named HD 16x9. I changed the vertical amplitude so that the coarse grid squares were 4x3, and tweaked the point convergence.

Anything I missed?

Oh yes, one side issue. When I start up the projector, I get some faint but noticeable white spillover off the right and left edges of the screen, which then fades out over 20-30 minutes or so. I usually start the projector in 16x9, and haven't yet tested to see if it is dependent on the video setting at startup.

I am wondering if this is an indication that there is something amiss in the configuration.