I've made my first trip into the SM and set gamma's to zero as per Eliab. I have a Sony DVP NS71HP from Costco connected via HDMI. My comcast motorola 6200 is connected via component. I'll be using DVE for calibration. I have two questions: 1. how do I calibrate for TV viewing? 2. Does anyone know where in the service menu that once I calibrate the set that I can enter values so that they are now the default? Thanks.

jjthenovice

The Samsung HL-S displays are some of the more advanced displays on the market when it comes to calibration. In order for a full calibration to be completed it is essential to have the proper instrumentation to measure and correct both the grayscale and color gamut; however, it doesn't stop there. In our calibrations we address the following:

Pre-calibration analysis of video imagery.
Proper set-up of DVD player parameters.
Proper set-up of HD STB parameters.
Mechanical ring focus adjustment (if needed).
Disablement of DNIe circuitry (floating black, edge enhancement).
Iris adjustment.
Actuator gain adjustment.
Gamma adjustment.
Index delay adjustment (color wheel phase).
Vertical & horizontal image centering.
Overscan adjustment to reduce image cropping and scaling artifacts.
Color decoder repair.
Color primaries and secondaries aligned to SMPTE C system standards.
Color primaries and secondaries aligned to SMPTE HD system standards.
D6500 color temperature reference standard setting for color presentation.
5400K color temperature reference standard setting for B&W presentation.
Optimization of user menu controls for all inputs used.
Calibration report given to the customer.

That said, you will want to utilize the DNIe submenu of the factory (service) menu. There you will find adjustments that correspond to the user menu picture parameters. Keep in mind that you should only adjust these if you know exactly what they do. It is also a good idea to write down the settings before you change them. These settings are independent based on input type and scan rate.

Regards,

Dave

In the 50's & 60's (when color & b&w were both prevalent) did theaters change the bulbs in their projectors to accommodate 6500k for color and 5400k for b&w?
I never heard of a 5400k standard for any film based material
jjthenovice

The Samsung HL-S displays are some of the more advanced displays on the market when it comes to calibration. In order for a full calibration to be completed it is essential to have the proper instrumentation to measure and correct both the grayscale and color gamut; however, it doesn't stop there. In our calibrations we address the following:

Pre-calibration analysis of video imagery.
Proper set-up of DVD player parameters.
Proper set-up of HD STB parameters.
Mechanical ring focus adjustment (if needed).
Disablement of DNIe circuitry (floating black, edge enhancement).
Iris adjustment.
Actuator gain adjustment.
Gamma adjustment.
Index delay adjustment (color wheel phase).
Vertical & horizontal image centering.
Overscan adjustment to reduce image cropping and scaling artifacts.
Color decoder repair.
Color primaries and secondaries aligned to SMPTE C system standards.
Color primaries and secondaries aligned to SMPTE HD system standards.
D6500 color temperature reference standard setting for color presentation.
5400K color temperature reference standard setting for B&W presentation.
Optimization of user menu controls for all inputs used.
Calibration report given to the customer.

That said, you will want to utilize the DNIe submenu of the factory (service) menu. There you will find adjustments that correspond to the user menu picture parameters. Keep in mind that you should only adjust these if you know exactly what they do. It is also a good idea to write down the settings before you change them. These settings are independent based on input type and scan rate.

Regards,

Dave

Greetings

It's the temp of the bulb in the projector. That's what setting the grayscale to 5400 ish is about for black and white films. No color involved.

Color films get D6500 because that is the spec of the color TV system.

regards

Yes that is what I was referring to, color temp. Where does the 5400K temp come from?

I am not aware that film makers or studios were adjusting projector bulbs when both color films and b&W were widely in use. That is to say, if one week a theater was showing Creature From The Black Lagoon did they put a 5400K bulb in their projector and next week when the Blob was playing did they insert a bulb with a color temp with a temp of 6500K (bluer).

Seems to me that that the 5400K standard is simply tool by one calibrator to differentiate himself from others. It's perfectly fine and demonstrates a nice marketing ploy, but I have never seen anything that indicates 5400K was a standard for any film based material.

Greetings

It's the temp of the bulb in the projector. That's what setting the grayscale to 5400 ish is about for black and white films. No color involved.

Color films get D6500 because that is the spec of the color TV system.

regards

Seems to me that that the 5400K standard is simply tool by one calibrator to differentiate himself from others. It's perfectly fine and demonstrates a nice marketing ploy, but I have never seen anything that indicates 5400K was a standard for any film based material.

You are completely missing the point. Or in other words, you are trying to compare an apple to an orange.

PS: Who ever said that color *film* projectors use a D65 bulb, they may or may not. ;) :D

David's "marketing ploy" is that he knows these TVs in and out as he owns one too[the 5688w model] which is why I hired him. He also knows lots of people in the industry inluding Joe Kane, and hired by many studios as well. He really don't need to make up things to distinguish himself.

Thanks, you made my point perfectly. There is no standard.

You are completely missing the point. Or in other words, you are trying to compare an apple to an orange.

PS: Who ever said that color *film* projectors use a D65 bulb, they may or may not. ;) :D

There is no standard.

:rolleyes: You display a complete lack of understanding of the subject. :D

OTOH, the physical characteristics of the B/W film stock probably played as much of a role as the alledged color temp of the projector bulb(s). And yes there is always the question of whether the telecined DVD/HD-DVD/BD transfer of a "classic" B/W movie uses luminance only or if there is some color offset. Then again there is the issue of "silverscreens" vs white/gray screen. (BTW I have an actual metal "silver"screen from back in the day.) Lots of potential variables here ... none of which make the argument that the 5400K whitepoint for B/W film is in anyway "bogus."

HDTV challenged- you are soooo interesting. Tell us more about yourself...........