I finally got around to watching X3 and I am in shock. This is perhaps the best film I have seen so far as far PQ goes on my set-up (Sony VW-50, PS3, Da-Lite High Power 110"). The PQ of this is easily as good as King Kong. The sound was mesmerizing as well. Very good use of LFE!! The colors were extraordinary, especially in the scenes where they are at the lake.

I am very very surprised some people complained about the PQ of this title. It obviously must be their display. This release has taken HD to a new high level.

Highly Recommended!!

~Josh

I would have been excited except it was the worst xmen movie of them all. I'm glad the PQ was great though.

Yep Josh, I agree. I had the same reaction. I think a lot of people are allergic to film grain and think film should look like video. I didn't think it was the best X-Men movie but certainly worthy of the others. Seeing the movie in HD added to the presentation.

I also just watched it and for the first time, was impressed by Blu-Ray!

I still think HD DVD titles like Pitch Black, Kong, and MI3 look even better though.

But, overall, I enjoyed it and finally have some faith in BD!

(119" high powered, IF 7200)

:)

I heard that MI:3 on both formats looked exactly the same, could you tell a difference? I think the movie that I want to see the most on HD-DVD is Chronicles of Riddick, and King kong wouldn't be bad either, to bad I ain't got the bucks$$.

I also just watched it and for the first time, was impressed by Blu-Ray!

I still think HD DVD titles like Pitch Black, Kong, and MI3 look even better though.

But, overall, I enjoyed it and finally have some faith in BD!

(119" high powered, IF 7200)

:)
What DVD player are you using for the screen shots in your Gallery?

Most of those shots were from my HTPC and HD LOTR .TS files.

I believe Maul was from the Oppo...not sure now as those pics are really old!

I finally got around to watching X3 and I am in shock. This is perhaps the best film I have seen so far as far PQ goes on my set-up (Sony VW-50, PS3, Da-Lite High Power 110"). The PQ of this is easily as good as King Kong. The sound was mesmerizing as well. Very good use of LFE!! The colors were extraordinary, especially in the scenes where they are at the lake.

I am very very surprised some people complained about the PQ of this title. It obviously must be their display. This release has taken HD to a new high level.

Highly Recommended!!

~Josh

Yep...and those who didn't like the intended grainy film look in this one will love the first two when they come out.

Hey, if you like crap movies with great PQ....pick up Hulk for HD DVD. Seriously though, X3 is crap and is one of the reasons I don't have any BD titles yet. I am not a 16yr old pimply gamer, and thats who BD is catering to right now. HD DVD has a much better selection of titles right now.

Hey, if you like crap movies with great PQ....pick up Hulk for HD DVD. Seriously though, X3 is crap and is one of the reasons I don't have any BD titles yet. I am not a 16yr old pimply gamer, and thats who BD is catering to right now. HD DVD has a much better selection of titles right now.

funny, im not a 16 year old pimply gamer either, but i love the xmen movies. strange world isnt it?

funny, im not a 16 year old pimply gamer either, but i love the xmen movies. strange world isnt it?

Well, more power to ya I guess :rolleyes:

Xmen 3 is just another pre packaged hollywood actioneer designed to snatch the hard earned money out of your hands. Sorry, but I don't pay for that crap.

Seriously though, X3 is crap

I didn't care for it either, but you'll find that every movie, and I mean literally EVERY single movie has its fans. So calling *any* movie crap in a thread where people are excited about the best presentation of a movie they liked is pointless.

Anyway, I just watched X3 on Blu-ray last night to give it a second chance and agree that it looked and sounded really great.

I didn't care for it either, but you'll find that every movie, and I mean literally EVERY single movie has its fans. So calling *any* movie crap in a thread where people are excited about the best presentation of a movie they liked is pointless.

Anyway, I just watched X3 on Blu-ray last night to give it a second chance and agree that it looked and sounded really great.

Well, I guess I can accept that, but its still a bad movie.

As an avid reader of the X-Men comics in the mid-80s, I loved X3. Thought it was better than X2. Though, I guess it helps when you already know the story.

As an avid reader of the X-Men comics in the mid-80s, I loved X3. Thought it was better than X2. Though, I guess it helps when you already know the story.

X2 totally destroys X3. I think one of the reasons some people loved X3 so much was that the action was far better. Brian Singer is a great director, but he can't touch Ratner in terms of handling action. X1 and 2 were both horrendous in terms of action. I also felt X3 had a better pace than X1 or X2.

However, what really stunk in X3 was the over-melodramatic symbolism that tries to appear smart but is so obvious, it falls on its face. The entire Angel/ Warren Worthington sidestory was so over the top, I couldn't stop laughing. It's obviously an allusion to the oppression of homsexuality. You know, Warren hiding his true self, being forced to accept a cure (eg: religion cures gays theory), then finding freedom in who he is. Flying is a symbolism of his new found acceptance of himself. Gee, thanks, whoever wrote the script. Very intelligent. :rolleyes:

X2 totally destroys X3. I think one of the reasons some people loved X3 so much was that the action was far better. Brian Singer is a great director, but he can't touch Ratner in terms of handling action. X1 and 2 were both horrendous in terms of action. I also felt X3 had a better pace than X1 or X2.

However, what really stunk in X3 was the over-melodramatic symbolism that tries to appear smart but is so obvious, it falls on its face. The entire Angel/ Warren Worthington sidestory was so over the top, I couldn't stop laughing. It's obviously an allusion to the oppression of homsexuality. You know, Warren hiding his true self, being forced to accept a cure (eg: religion cures gays theory), then finding freedom in who he is. Flying is a symbolism of his new found acceptance of himself. Gee, thanks, whoever wrote the script. Very intelligent. :rolleyes:
I agree that X2 is vastly superior to X3 but I think you're reading too much into it. X3 is not an allegory, there are no allusions to homosexuality, Brett Ratner isn't capable of going that deep. But since you brought it up, it's funny how you describe the symbolism as obvious when you clearly missed Magneto's fight being a reference to the holocaust during his speech to the brotherhood.

Yes, I just watched X3 on BD. Great PQ and SQ, I really liked those. Movie is a let-down, though. Just waiting to watch a GOOD movie with GOOD PQ and GOOD SQ...

I also enjoyed X3.

I would put it on the same level as the first two but what I liked best about it is everyone used their powers a LOT during it.

FINALLY!

Singer is so overated anyway.

I agree that X2 is vastly superior to X3 but I think you're reading too much into it. X3 is not an allegory, there are no allusions to homosexuality, Brett Ratner isn't capable of going that deep. But since you brought it up, it's funny how you describe the symbolism as obvious when you clearly missed Magneto's fight being a reference to the holocaust during his speech to the brotherhood.

I didn't miss Magneto's speech. I don't think anyone did. Magneto is molded from surviving the holocaust. That's something that's touched upon in the 1st film. However, Magneto is also a hypocrite since he's from the "survival of the fittest" mentality - something the Nazis were despised for.

I didn't miss Magneto's speech. I don't think anyone did. Magneto is molded from surviving the holocaust. That's something that's touched upon in the 1st film. However, Magneto is also a hypocrite since he's from the "survival of the fittest" mentality - something the Nazis were despised for.
I'm not talking about Magneto being molded from the holocaust, I'm talking specifically about the speech and how it alludes to the holocaust. "And you go on with your lives, ignoring the signs around you. And then one day, when the air is still and the night is fallen, they come for you" describes the Jews being taken from their homes and having their lives suddenly turned into a nightmare. That was the "obvious" allusion that serves as the theme for the movie. I'm not sure where you got all that homo stuff from. Like I said, Ratner's not capable of going that deep. Makes sense for Singer since he is gay himself.

X-Men was concieved in the 60's during a time of great social upheaval in Western culture. It's not a gay thing, it's about minorities being trodden on because they are not "normal"--race, religion, etc. Yes, there are parallels to Jewish oppression during the holocaust, racial oppression all throughout history, etc.

BTW, you guys did wait all the way through the final credits to see the additional teaser scene after the credits, right?

It was just a movie guys. People give too much credit to these movie people, though which causes most of these actors/directors to think the masses actually give a crap about what they think. :p

I liked X3 about the same as the other 2 in terms of it's story. I never followed the comics so don't imagine they're being true to them, but most movie adaptations aren't. I do agree that the action was handled better in 3 than 2, though from my non Xmen-fan perspective, I was a bit annoyed that some of the mutants from the previous movies weren't there.

Singer is definitely overrated though and Superman Returns blew, so maybe everything worked out the way it should have?

PQ and AQ were top notch, though. One... observation... I had was that dialog scenes sounded kinda muted (i would turn up the audio) but the action scenes were LOUD (i would turn down the audio). More of an observation than a complaint, though...

X-Men was concieved in the 60's during a time of great social upheaval in Western culture. It's not a gay thing, it's about minorities being trodden on because they are not "normal"--race, religion, etc. Yes, there are parallels to Jewish oppression during the holocaust, racial oppression all throughout history, etc.

BTW, you guys did wait all the way through the final credits to see the additional teaser scene after the credits, right?
You're right, it's NOT a gay thing, but Singer incorporates it in the Bobby Drake character in X2 where he "comes out" to his parents about being a mutant. And yeah, I'm sure everyone saw the final scene though I don't think it matters because I doubt they're going to make a fourth film.

I doubt an X4 too, but you never know. They put a pretty big nail in the coffin of the series with X3. Then again, if you did have a reprise of Professor Xavier and Magneto in X4, you'd have the basis. (and maybe even Mystique) Just lose Jean Grey/Pheonix, but she was thought to be lost at the end of X2 anyway. Even Cyclops could be made not dead.

Like I said, if you read the comics, there is plenty of room for X4. It takes place even further into the future, with Logan finally being the leader in a military manner (he was always the silent-leader in the comics, though Orroro held the title after Scott left).

Yes, the Warren part was pretty stupid, it was simply put in the film for cool special effects.

X3 moved so quickly versus the comic. Jean-Grey for instance, in the comic, she started as Jean, then became Phoenix, and later became the Dark Phoenix (whom Logan did kill). Though a lot of time separated all of those events.

The actors/actresses chosen for the X-films were good, except for Rogue. In the comic, she was an outgoing "tom-boy". They should have selected someone like Pink to play the part, it would have fit better. All the other characters were pretty spot-on.

btw, their making "Magneto" and then "Wolverine - Weapon X", so it'll be a while for X4 is there ever is one.

btw, their making "Magneto" and then "Wolverine - Weapon X", so it'll be a while for X4 is there ever is one.

Actually from what I've heard Wolverine is going to be made first, and then the Magneto spin-off. The wolverine script is now being worked on and they are shopping around for a director. H. Jackman has stated that the Wolverine prequel is scheduled to begin shooting sometime in 2007. Back on the Blu side of things...

X Men 3 is the fist Blu-ray titled I've bought, I ordered it through Amazon, and am anxiously expecting the disc's arrival. Hopefully we will see more great titles (X1 and 2, and especially Spiderman 1, 2 , and 3) in 2007!

Just wondering if the DTS MA on this disc comes through as 6.1 DTS ES discreet just like the SD-DVD but at 1.5mbps if using optical?

Actually from what I've heard Wolverine is going to be made first, and then the Magneto spin-off. The wolverine script is now being worked on and they are shopping around for a director. H. Jackman has stated that the Wolverine prequel is scheduled to begin shooting sometime in 2007. Back on the Blu side of things...

X Men 3 is the fist Blu-ray titled I've bought, I ordered it through Amazon, and am anxiously expecting the disc's arrival. Hopefully we will see more great titles (X1 and 2, and especially Spiderman 1, 2 , and 3) in 2007!

Yeah, I may have gotten the order mixed up on which is first.

I do know Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellen, and Rebecca R. have signed on for Magneto.

Thematically, the first X-Men is about the seeds of prejudice and what it could lead to if left unchecked - that is prejudice against minorities and uprising between the two camps.

X2 is more about turning points to defeat those prejudices and what needs to be in place to make things for the better. Two complete hints : political will and coming out as either gay, or in the case of Magneto as a Jew (no that wasn't in the film :p but you ought to get my drift) and for Bobby as a mutant.

X3 is about remnants of the prejudice and the time it takes to get rid of it, which is possibly never. The self-hatred by the minorities is a very important theme even after widespread or official bigotry is dealt with. Consider the scenes with Beast, Rogue and Storm. Rogue doesn't want to become a mutant anymore. Storm doesn't think there's anything wrong with being a mutant; however the cure in the movie could have also covered the idea of turning every one into a Caucasian. Beast and to a certain extent Mystique are among the most obvious of the mutants because of their physical attributes.

Basically, it's just about the prejudices that both the majority and minority camps have. I don't know if there's a gay/lesbian or transsexual X-Men in the comix but if that character makes it to the big screen and speaks out against bigotry, the dual meaning would be apparent. Since the first trilogy doesn't feature such a character, only strong hints of it can be made. Regardless, they are valid hints.


fuad

I have owned an HD A1 since last spring and am a huge HD DVD fan. I finally bought yesterday a PS3 and I baptized it with X3. My reaction can be summed up by a single word: WOW!!!
I had read everywhere that the transfer was so so, grainy and soft. My opinion is that it's one of the best transfers I have ever seen, regardless of the format, and I simply had a great cinematic experience watching this BD on my PS3 linked via HDMI to a HC 5000, with the sound coming out a denon 2807. On top of that, I am one of those who love the movie so, who could ask for more?

To all HD DVD and BD fans: consider not supporting one format alone, but both, because what we love, after all, is watching the movies we like in great high def. transfers.

One last word: I found the look of the X3 transfer to be very AVC (compare for example with the Japanese Equilibrium HD DVD, if memory serves). I am wondering if I will see any difference with BD encoded with other codecs...

I just got a PS3 myself and am now in both camps. Just watched X-Men 3, and I enjoyed it quite a bit. It does show what Blu-Ray is capable of in many scenes.

But don't kid yourself, it is definitely grainy. Some of the graininess rivals that of Waterworld on HD DVD.

I agree it is grainy, but I honestly think that's what the director intended. I feel he uses the grain inherent in the Super 35 Format to contribute to the mood of the movie and/or, perhaps, to evoke the grain of a course and rough paper.
As for Waterworld, I did not buy the HD DVD because I saw the movie in a theater when it was released and, at the time, disliked it very much.

I will say that I thought the movie was terrible but I loved the scene where xavier trys to get control of jean again , I absolutly love the music and sound during that scene

I doubt an X4 too, but you never know. They put a pretty big nail in the coffin of the series with X3. Then again, if you did have a reprise of Professor Xavier and Magneto in X4, you'd have the basis. (and maybe even Mystique) Just lose Jean Grey/Pheonix, but she was thought to be lost at the end of X2 anyway. Even Cyclops could be made not dead.

You doubt an X4? are you kidding me. X3 broke in to the $100 millions. Money talks BS walks. To bring professor X back in X4 all they need to do is go into the Bishop story lines. Bishops come back at one point because Prof. X was killed and the future turns out to be bad for the mutants. This is fantasy, the possibilities are enless.

Film grain this, film grain that. Some people make it sound like Blu-ray is incapable of using VC-1 like is an HD-DVD thing only.

Did nobody see this in theaters...it was grainy as can be in theaters and on sd dvd....the bd blows away both by a mile.

Wait for 1/2 on BD if you want the clean look only.

Earz, I fully agree.

You doubt an X4? are you kidding me. X3 broke in to the $100 millions. Money talks BS walks. To bring professor X back in X4 all they need to do is go into the Bishop story lines. Bishops come back at one point because Prof. X was killed and the future turns out to be bad for the mutants. This is fantasy, the possibilities are enless.


SPOILERS:

They already established that the Professor is alive and well in X3. Wait until the credits are over. (Yes, it's weird to put such an important plot point in there after the credits, but there you have it. ^_^)

x-3 was my first blu movie. i have an a-1 and a-2. my god i think this is the best video and audio i have ever seen on either format, and i have alot of hd dvd's. i also got to see t.d.w.p. and the wild. all were incredible. they rival or better the hulk on hd dvd. I got the sony for christmas, welcome me with open arms guys i am neutral (for now).

I just saw this on my PS3/D-ILA FP setup and was not impressed. Color seemed muted and thin veil of veneer seemed excessive. Compared to Matador on HD DVD, which I saw immediately afterwards, this was very poor PQ wise, a low Tier 2 or high Tier 3 at best. I am not against film grain, but this seemed more than just grain. I did not see this at the theater, so I don't know whether this is how it should have looked, but I didn't like it. Audio on the other hand, just rocked. DTS core came through as a full 1.5Mbps DTS ES over SPDIF to my receiver and sounded awesome.

I finally got around to watching X3 and I am in shock. This is perhaps the best film I have seen so far as far PQ goes on my set-up (Sony VW-50, PS3, Da-Lite High Power 110"). The PQ of this is easily as good as King Kong. The sound was mesmerizing as well. Very good use of LFE!! The colors were extraordinary, especially in the scenes where they are at the lake.

I am very very surprised some people complained about the PQ of this title. It obviously must be their display. This release has taken HD to a new high level.
my god i think this is the best video and audio i have ever seen on either format, and i have alot of hd dvd's. i also got to see t.d.w.p. and the wild. all were incredible. they rival or better the hulk on hd dvd.
I'm curious, either you are both very easy to please, are not seeing what many others are seeing, or are trying to give a glowing review where one isn't warranted. From what I've read by most others this transfer is good (receiving a 4 out of 5 from both DVDTalk and High-Def Digest), but definitely nowhere near the likes of King Kong or Hulk on HD DVD, both which received a perfect 5 out of 5 for PQ.

DVDTalk's review of the disc noted that "X-Men: The Last Stand certainly has that high-definition look to the film, but feels a bit out of place in some areas. The first possible problem might be that Fox decided to use a BD-25 disc instead of the early rumored BD-50 (films like Click get a BD-50, but not this one)? The video quality doesn't suffer completely though as many sequences looked fine. The use of detail was NEARLY perfect as the facial features on many of the characters (especially Wolverine's beard) sparked to life. The only poor use of detail was the sequence when Magneto moved the Golden Gate Bridge (many of the smaller details were hard to make out)." High-Def Digest liked the picture quality as well, but did note that there was "posterization throughout the film. Nothing severe, but gradual transitions of color sometimes looked blocky and artificial."

Do you both truly believe that the PQ of X-Men 3 is the best that Blu-Ray has to offer?

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transporter 2. is a PQ god.

I hated it/ thought it was way too post processed.


but it does have unquestionable PQ skillz.

I watched X Men 3 last night, very nice PQ, sharp, very high-def looking, lots of 3D 'pop'. It may or may not be the best BD has to offer, but it's a nice looking and sounding disc nonetheless :D

I'm curious, either you are both very easy to please, are not seeing what many others are seeing, or are trying to give a glowing review where one isn't warranted. From what I've read by most others this transfer is good (receiving a 4 out of 5 from both DVDTalk and High-Def Digest), but definitely nowhere near the likes of King Kong or Hulk on HD DVD, both which received a perfect 5 out of 5 for PQ.

DVDTalk's review of the disc noted that "X-Men: The Last Stand certainly has that high-definition look to the film, but feels a bit out of place in some areas. The first possible problem might be that Fox decided to use a BD-25 disc instead of the early rumored BD-50 (films like Click get a BD-50, but not this one)? The video quality doesn't suffer completely though as many sequences looked fine. The use of detail was NEARLY perfect as the facial features on many of the characters (especially Wolverine's beard) sparked to life. The only poor use of detail was the sequence when Magneto moved the Golden Gate Bridge (many of the smaller details were hard to make out)." High-Def Digest liked the picture quality as well, but did note that there was "posterization throughout the film. Nothing severe, but gradual transitions of color sometimes looked blocky and artificial."

Do you both truly believe that the PQ of X-Men 3 is the best that Blu-Ray has to offer?
well ,like i said, i've only seen 3 bd's and loved all 3. I have 24 or 25 hd dvd's and never expected to even see a blu ray player (my wife got me the sony for christmas, (cause no way i would spend another grand on my theater,if you know what i mean)I kept going "my god do you see how great that picture looks?" every shot on x-3 and the wild were as good as, or better than any movie i already have on hd dvd. I have the sony hooked via component and the a-1 was hooked up via hdmi ( i've replaced it w/ the a-2) do you think my hdmi cable could be too long and such not be giving me a true pic from my a-2? (30') I will be viewing more bd's soon (she got me 6 bd's for christmas also). I bought bhd yesterday and will try to see it in the next couple of days.

well ,like i said, i've only seen 3 bd's and loved all 3. I have 24 or 25 hd dvd's and never expected to even see a blu ray player (my wife got me the sony for christmas, (cause no way i would spend another grand on my theater,if you know what i mean)I kept going "my god do you see how great that picture looks?" every shot on x-3 and the wild were as good as, or better than any movie i already have on hd dvd. I have the sony hooked via component and the a-1 was hooked up via hdmi ( i've replaced it w/ the a-2) do you think my hdmi cable could be too long and such not be giving me a true pic from my a-2? (30') I will be viewing more bd's soon (she got me 6 bd's for christmas also). I bought bhd yesterday and will try to see it in the next couple of days.
I'm no expert when it comes to the best DVI or HDMI cable lengths, but 30' sounds like it's pushing it. My guess is that you're experiencing some sort of HD DVD picture degradation due to this length, especially if you've purchased a generic "inexpensive" HDMI cable. I'd say try something much shorter if possible. Others may like to chime in.

I'm no expert when it comes to the best DVI or HDMI cable lengths, but 30' sounds like it's pushing it. My guess is that you're experiencing some sort of HD DVD picture degradation due to this length, especially if you've purchased a generic "inexpensive" HDMI cable. I'd say try something much shorter if possible. Others may like to chime in.
I think i'll look into a component switcher or something, cause my hdmi goes from my closet to the projector on the ceiling through the attic (boy was that a booger getting that in). and my receiver only has 2 component inputs. cable and blu on those and hdmi for hd dvd.

well ,like i said, i've only seen 3 bd's and loved all 3. I have 24 or 25 hd dvd's and never expected to even see a blu ray player (my wife got me the sony for christmas, (cause no way i would spend another grand on my theater,if you know what i mean)I kept going "my god do you see how great that picture looks?" every shot on x-3 and the wild were as good as, or better than any movie i already have on hd dvd. I have the sony hooked via component and the a-1 was hooked up via hdmi ( i've replaced it w/ the a-2) do you think my hdmi cable could be too long and such not be giving me a true pic from my a-2? (30') I will be viewing more bd's soon (she got me 6 bd's for christmas also). I bought bhd yesterday and will try to see it in the next couple of days.

I have done several installs of the HD-A1 using 50' HDMI cables from monoprice.com and everything worked fine. There was no degradation in PQ at all. The two Blu-ray discs you watched (X3 and The Wild) are just simply that, AMAZING!! Blu-ray is everybit as good as HD-DVD and some, including myself feel it is better on certain releases.

How do you like the speed and smoothness of the PS3 as a Blu-ray player? Sweet isn't it?

~Josh

i've actually got the sony s-1. i just missed out on a ps3.

x-3 was my first blu movie. i have an a-1 and a-2. my god i think this is the best video and audio i have ever seen on either format, and i have alot of hd dvd's. i also got to see t.d.w.p. and the wild. all were incredible. they rival or better the hulk on hd dvd. I got the sony for christmas, welcome me with open arms guys i am neutral (for now).
This will be my first BD movie too. Will report back.

I just sold my XA1, but I've viewed at least 30 HD-DVD's. I'm trying out Bluray now, I'll buy a new HD-DVD player during the holidays.

I found X-men3 good, but too grainy and often too soft.

I finally got around to watching X3 and I am in shock. This is perhaps the best film I have seen so far as far PQ goes on my set-up (Sony VW-50, PS3, Da-Lite High Power 110"). The PQ of this is easily as good as King Kong. The sound was mesmerizing as well. Very good use of LFE!! The colors were extraordinary, especially in the scenes where they are at the lake.

I am very very surprised some people complained about the PQ of this title. It obviously must be their display. This release has taken HD to a new high level.

Highly Recommended!!

~Josh

What the heck?!

I found X-men3 good, but too grainy and often too soft.
I have to agree. There are certainly better looking BR titles out there! :)

This will be my first BD movie too. Will report back.

I just sold my XA1, but I've viewed at least 30 HD-DVD's. I'm trying out Bluray now, I'll buy a new HD-DVD player during the holidays.
I watched a few scenes to check it out. Man does the DTS-HD Master Lossless Audio rock. Blows any TrueHD sound track I've ever heard out the water! The PQ is nice too, on my BD-P1000 with latest firmware. I like the comic book info popups, neat feature.

I watched a few scenes to check it out. Man does the DTS-HD Master Lossless Audio rock. Blows any TrueHD sound track I've ever heard out the water! The PQ is nice too, on my BD-P1000 with latest firmware. I like the comic book info popups, neat feature.

You would have been only hearing the DTS core of the track. I don't think any player/amp can play/decode lossless DTS yet.

^ Welcome to the Blu world! :D

I'm sure you're going to fall in love with the lossless tracks on many BR discs. ;)

You would have been only hearing the DTS core of the track. I don't think any player/amp can play/decode lossless DTS yet.
Damn this is just the core? Sh*t it sounds better than any TrueHD I've ever heard.

...To all HD DVD and BD fans: consider not supporting one format alone, but both, because what we love, after all, is watching the movies we like in great high def. transfers...

That was initially my sentiment. Like you, I started out with an HD A1 and was very satisified. But since picking up my PS3 last December, my attitude has slowly changed. First, I hate the combo discs...period. So I began to buy most titles in Blu-ray except of course for Universal and a couple of Weinstein titles. Then I really began to prefer the flawless operation of the PS3 over the HD A1. In order to fend off any hiccups during playback on the HD A1, I kept a can of compressed air next to the player to guard against dust causing the occasional freezes or skips. I didn't have anywhere near the problems some experienced but it was still a minor nuisance.

I never experienced similar problems with the PS3. The firmware updates are extremely easy and the playback experience is as seamless as using a standard DVD player only with spectacular image and sound. So, I am neutral no longer. I have just chosen to wait for Universal. And I want the war to come to a conclusion so that all retailers can embrace Blu-ray with gusto.

Just wondering if the DTS MA on this disc comes through as 6.1 DTS ES discreet just like the SD-DVD but at 1.5mbps if using optical?

I got the 6.1 through optical. I was wondering if it's possible to get 6.1 via HDMI. If you select the 6.1 track (default) you only get 5.1 multichannel. Shouldn't you be able to get 6.1 uncompressed via HDMI? My reciever is the Onkyo 605 for a 7.1 set up.

The PS3 turns both 6.1 DD EX and 6.1 DTS-ES into 5.1 PCM if PCM output is selected. I can get the proper 6.1 track by selecting Bitstream output. I think we need an auto mode since that's... inelegant, if not cumbersome, to manually change. The main issue here being that it's DTS-HD. Outside of PCM tracks, we haven't seen any other 6.1 or 7.1 legacy codec tracks IIRC.

Except for DVD, this has mostly been a non-issue except for the Fox titles that use DTS-HD, of course, since it's being downmixed into legacy DTS. I"m not quite sure what the PS3 would do with 6.1 or 7.1 TrueHD or DD+ nor with decoded DTS-HD since we haven't seen any tracks yet

The PS3 turns both 6.1 DD EX and 6.1 DTS-ES into 5.1 PCM if PCM output is selected. I can get the proper 6.1 track by selecting Bitstream output. I think we need an auto mode since that's... inelegant, if not cumbersome, to manually change. The main issue here being that it's DTS-HD. Outside of PCM tracks, we haven't seen any other 6.1 or 7.1 legacy codec tracks IIRC.

Except for DVD, this has mostly been a non-issue except for the Fox titles that use DTS-HD, of course, since it's being downmixed into legacy DTS. I"m not quite sure what the PS3 would do with 6.1 or 7.1 TrueHD or DD+ nor with decoded DTS-HD since we haven't seen any tracks yet

Why not just set the PS3 to output bitstream and you will get whatever you select? DD, DTS 5.1, DTS 6.1, PCM or DD True HD.

What the heck?!
thats not unusual for beaboy, his opinion though. my opinion is not to trust his :o

i just picked up ghost rider and its the best thing ive ever seen on either format! and next week ill pick up another movie and say the same :p j/k i never bought xmen i seen it at a freinds tv and thought it wasnt worth the purchase especially with its bd 25 mpeg 2 and dts hd ma..

Hello... it's AVC, not MPEG-2. If I remember correctly this isn't the first time you've made this mistake, and it probably won't be the last.

Let me repeat: X-Men is AVC, not MPEG-2.
yah when was the last time i made this mistake?

i could of sworn i seen it was mpeg 2 while looking at it at walmart :confused:

but it is bd 25 and dts hd ma which no player can decode.

but it is still mediocre at best for picture quality.

One of the early AVC encodes. I have screenshots available at the usual thread.

Also, my PS3 outputs the DTS core track just fine, and it sounds equally good as the DD+ tracks on most of your HD DVDs.
OK. I've never heard a DD+ soundtrack that sounded as good as X3. Riddick comes close. I was blown away buy the SQ from this movie via the BD-P1000's analog outs. It was a new experience for me.

I know I read a similar post recently where someone said they wouldn't buy X-Men because it was "MPEG-2 on a BD25." If it wasn't you, I apologize.


The case clearly reads: "Video: AVC @ 18 MBPS." My PS3 confirms this.


BD25 or no, it still looks great. How many movies do you have on 30 GB HD DVDs? That's a mere 5 GB more, and I bet you are happy with how most of them look.

Also, my PS3 outputs the DTS core track just fine, and it sounds equally good as the DD+ tracks on most of your HD DVDs.
i am gonna guess and say you think i own only hd dvd.... wel let me tell you i went through alot of trouble today just to get ghost rider on bd. told my bro to pick it up for me. he picked it up i call him ask where its at and his like ill take it later well that happened all day and just 10 minutes ago does a friend of his drop it off lol

you might be right though on me saying x3 was mpeg2 somewhere else cause i always thought it was.

and you know ive only seen this movie once on a friends setup so it could of been calibration or something else ill probably end up picking it up now that i know its avc. i tend to shy away from mpeg 2 bd 25 titles just cause i wish fox would release more bd 50 pcm movies :)

ps i wont be able to sleep to good tonight i am to anxious and want to turn on the ht and watch ghost rider :(


http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a23/subingncali/35fd5fa8.jpg

Watched on my new TV and I thought the opening scene had a lot of grain. I didn't know if it was intentional or not, but I came in this thread and saw that some say that it is.

My first HDM title.

Started my addiction.

Damn you X3. You have cost me thousands of dollars. Thanks alot;)

Watched on my new TV and I thought the opening scene had a lot of grain. I didn't know if it was intentional or not, but I came in this thread and saw that some say that it is.

From what I hear, X3 is a very faithful reproduction of the master, with the film grain well intact. Still a title I need to pick up, so I'm just commenting on what I've heard.

I'm not a huge fan of the x-men series but I thought this movie looked great and was fairly entertaining. Dare I say it was on par with some of the movies in Tier 1, such as Crank and Die Hard 4? The final battle at the end has great audio....juggernaut going through the walls wreaks havoc on my sub.

PQ looked great especially the city scenes toward the beginning of the movie....the skyscrapers always seemed to jump out and had a great 3D effect. Just my 2 cents.

X3 is one of the showpiece cases of massive grain faithfully reproduced (even more so than the faux grain in 300 IMO) which still manages to not detract from clarity or 3D pop. I think it's one of the most visibly 3D non-animated movies on either format, due to the heavy use of glossy and metallic surfaces.

I didn't like the way X3 looked on Blu-ray. Some scenes were extremely good but some scenes looked like an upconverted DVD.

^^ I felt exactly the same. Tier 2 for me and right where it needs to be. I remember when the tier thread started and this was near the top. :eek:

I didn't like the way X3 looked on Blu-ray. Some scenes were extremely good but some scenes looked like an upconverted DVD.
Which scenes looked like upconverted SD to you?

1) Soft focus backdrops
2) Bridge scene
3) Climax
4) Quality in scenes fluctuates very frequently unlike many new titles.

I am sure Fox is going to make us double dip on most of it's initial BD releases.

1) Soft focus backdrops
2) Bridge scene
3) Climax
4) Quality in scenes fluctuates very frequently unlike many new titles.

I am sure Fox is going to make us double dip on most of it's initial BD releases.

Now I'm really interested in checking this out . . . Bracke's review on HDD was pretty kind (4 stars) to this title, and he usually pulls no punches.

That's because X3 was one among the earlier releases. I am sure X-MEN Trilogy will have X3 on BD-50 with a fresh AVC encode. I have no qualms with the audio on X3 which is reference.

Hey, if you like crap movies with great PQ....pick up Hulk for HD DVD. Seriously though, X3 is crap and is one of the reasons I don't have any BD titles yet. I am not a 16yr old pimply gamer, and thats who BD is catering to right now. HD DVD has a much better selection of titles right now.


umm isnt that more of a presonal preference? you state it like its a fact.

umm isnt that more of a presonal preference? you state it like its a fact.

LOL that quote is from almost a year ago. A lot's changed since then :D

Now I'm really interested in checking this out . . . Bracke's review on HDD was pretty kind (4 stars) to this title, and he usually pulls no punches.

I haven't watched my copy in a while, but I don't remember any of the issues that lgans316 is complaining about. I thought it looked pretty great, but I'm going to go back and spot-check a few scenes to jog my memory. From what I remember though, I was very happy with it - it was grainy with sharp-as-a-tack detail and looked very film-like.

1) Soft focus backdrops
2) Bridge scene
3) Climax
4) Quality in scenes fluctuates very frequently unlike many new titles.

I am sure Fox is going to make us double dip on most of it's initial BD releases.

I have to say I disagree with you. I checked out both of the scenes mentioned (number 2 and 3) and compared them with my SD DVD. Neither scene (on the BD, of course) looked like upconverted SD to me. I'll stand by my original assessment: this is a fine release and should make any fan of the film happy.

Maybe it is me as well, but I remember when I first got it I also rented the DVD version. I used the PS3 and my HTPC to upscale and compare the two. IMO many parts of the opening scene, particularly when they get out of the car and show close ups of faces, the BD look only slightly better, not dramatically as it should or how some think it would. Look where it is in the tier thread now, about in a mediocre position.

Its an ugly early release. In the end the PQ is better than DVD or any of the high bitrate European broadcast. More detail and bit sharper. Its just too fraking grainy and inconsistent.

I think Kram / FrancescoP / Xylon gave X3 FULL HD QUALITY VERDICT long time back. This doesn't mean that X3 is an excellent release. Xylon himself has quoted X3 has an ugly early release and I support his opinion. I am a great fan of the X-MEN series but will buy it only if Fox delivers it properly. I sold my copy of X3 to a local buyer here due to the average PQ.

The fact that its "early" has nothing to do with the PQ.

None implied.

If I remeber correctly X3 was the first BD i ever watched(well watched part of), but there were something I didnt liked in the image that i couldnt put my finger on.

OK then. :)

Personally I think its a good disc. MILES ahead of the DVD. It has an intentionally gritty look which I suppose some people don't like. But then I'm also one of the few people who thought this was the best X-men movie of all. ;)
You know what, when you mentioned gritty I just remembered when I saw it at the theatre that is how the movie looked. It looked nothing like the previous two. I also agree that this was the best movie.

If you want to see WOW PQ wait until X2 comes out. ;)

I'm going to give this one another go. I first viewed the BD on the PS3. I really wasn't thrilled with the PQ as there are lots of others I'd put ahead of this with that player. The audio was impressive enough.

My friend has a Tosh A20 and we viewed King Kong on that player and X3 is nowhere close, at least not on my display which we used.

I now have a Panny BD30. Definitely want to try it with DTS HD Master. I'll see what I feel about the PQ using that player!

Its always fun revisiting topics like this, because honestly while X3 looked good last year, it doesn't hold a candle to any of the better releases that we have seen on either format recently. Even some of the catalouge releases like 2001 have stomped once greats like X3 and King Kong into the ground, good sign of things to come.