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View Full Version : Regal Cinema on Sony 4K... Not Ready for Prime Time CINERAMAX 12-21-06, 03:47 AM http://today.reuters.com/news/articlebusiness.aspx?type=media&storyID=nN29403439&imageid=&cap=&from=business I have been saying this all along. Ohlson 12-21-06, 06:25 PM You are correct BUT 1 Some decisions are political 2 Dlp is the safer choice However I think wire grid polarizers can give 4k sxrd a good boost in performance. The industry will not be satisfied with 2k forever. CINERAMAX 12-21-06, 06:28 PM I am yet to see true high mtf lcos, the qxia looked pretty good years ago but the MTF on the sxrd sucks. Ohlson 12-21-06, 06:35 PM CINERMAX When was the last time you saw a functioning 4k sxrd projector? By functioning I mean that any engineer or professional doing the demonstration could not give good explanation for a substandard performance characteristic noted by yourself. I am just curious. The platform is not robust but doesn´t it sing once in a while? Alan Gouger 12-21-06, 06:44 PM Reading the response on the film forums about this projector has not been positive but we do not know the reason. Most comments came from viewing this projector at events like Cedia but for the film equipment industry. Maybe the setups are not ideal. Regardless, the format is having an up hill battle. It is half the price of DLP so you would think cinemas would jump on this thing. Bring on 4k to home theater with 4k source :) Dizzman 12-21-06, 06:46 PM Really, i thought you were saying that you were installing one for Shaq... I seem to recall one of your photoshop "creations" calling it the puppy. You were the biggest flag waver. It has been obvious that it is "not ready" for a while now. it is new, it is still a little flakey, and nobody wants to be the beta tester. Once they have some installed for a year or more and have made the required changes, then it will potentially take over. However, in the meantime they will sell plenty into commercial and get that feedback from harsh environments. CINERAMAX 12-21-06, 06:56 PM Really, i thought you were saying that you were installing one for Shaq... I seem to recall one of your photoshop "creations" calling it the puppy. You were the biggest flag waver. Pretty good memory Dizz, actually the puppy was the QXIA, close. I was very dissapointed when I saw the srx-r110 the first time, since then I've seen it many times, always exhibiting poor convergence and uniformity, the last time at Infocomm they licked those two but the image is soft in the high frequecies, thus 3dlp looks sharper. To me the best pj out there at the moment is the Barco FLM hd 14 (not hdcp) or Maybe for an easy to use high quality (finest scaler I have ever) + (hdcp) 2.35 CIH the Runco: Vx -55d. http://www.cesweb.org/shared_files/innovations/innovations_2004/6488/mainphoto6488.jpg So there you go I have come full circle. From critic to fan. mburnstein 12-21-06, 07:53 PM Hi Peter, So how much for that Runco Beast with the 2.35:1 package?? CINERAMAX 12-21-06, 07:59 PM 115 Art Sonneborn 12-21-06, 09:13 PM 115 Peter , Obviously that Runco has some nice MTF but what are your thoughts on the one chip DLPs like the Marantz on smaller screens say 8' wide....... has to be the king there right now ? Art mburnstein 12-21-06, 09:43 PM Art and Peter, What size screen and aspect ratio would you suggest for a room 22 feet deep. My space for a screen could be as large as 13 foot wide, but don't strive for that large a screen unless you feel strongly!! woven screen for acoustic transparency CINERAMAX 12-21-06, 09:47 PM I'll Look Again In That Category Before Opining. Ohlson 12-22-06, 10:41 AM CINERMAX Dlp might be facing a new contender. Magneto Photonic crystals http://www.panoramalabs.com/ I have tried to get them to spill some info on their technoogy compared to todays in brightness, contrast and color performance. Initially they said they would comment but they have been silent. Perhaps you with your high end profile can ask some questions. You can say that you need to know what is ahead before you install very expensive systems for your clients. CINERAMAX 12-31-06, 11:07 AM This is in response to your PM where you asked me again. I wish you a happy new year, did santa bring you the Laser Projector Parts Kit? Ohlson, I have been waiting and waiting for close to ten years to be a ble to do HT properly, now that we have blue ray, hd dvd, hd satellite, 1080p 3 chip dlp, and Don Stewart finally getting up his ass on the anamorphic torus cinemascope, are you asking me to look at another pie in the sky technology that sounds like a designer drug models snort in the bathrooms of south beach discotheques? No. Not interested in magneto photonic crystals or any other type of crystals for that matter. I have all the tools in place to declare Miami: "the Home Theater Capital of the World" again and I fully intend to get bussy on that matter. Alan Gouger 12-31-06, 12:00 PM and Don Stewart finally on the anamorphic torus cinemascope, . This sounds exciting. What about a masking option?? Not a DIY! CINERAMAX 12-31-06, 12:14 PM According to Grant Stewart who I have recruited to keep the Torus fire lit under Don's seat. Don is "on it " (working on the development of the masking system). The plan is That I would also be involved as a liasion in any initial Home Torus projects, as Stewart does not want to sell any such screens and later have people complain about acoustical anomalies, where I know how to make a Torus room also be Audiophile grade, from past and present experimentation. This room I am pitching would be the first one with the Masking System. With the front speaker arch further separated from the wall to make space for the mask. http://cineramax.com/images/Cinema-smallest.jpg http://cineramax.com/images/Helene-Screen-EVOLUTION.jpg http://cineramax.com/images/Cine-Evl-Ex-Elevat-sml.jpg Also this would not be a Torus Kit made out of plywood, like their high end simulators it would be a trasporatble torus made out of aluminium frame and a corrugated cardboard-like fire proof plastic composite. I guess the masking mechanism could be swing in, but then you would not have side adjustment for 2.35,2.37.2.40, like their new drop down screens have. All I want is 2.37. I'll let the scaler handle the rest. Alan Gouger 12-31-06, 03:47 PM The swing-in sounds like the most logical choice. wide screen then mask down to 1:85 or something of choice. CINERAMAX 12-31-06, 03:58 PM But not a swing out like a door. They are solid panels that separate forward to clear the screen and then swing sideways out of the way. Alan Gouger 12-31-06, 05:35 PM But not a swing out like a door. They are solid panels that separate forward to clear the screen and then swing sideways out of the way. That could ( with a little work ) be easily automated. CINERAMAX 12-31-06, 05:50 PM http://inscribe.iupress.org/doi/abs/10.2979/FIL.2004.16.3.277 It has a free 10 day subscription. The curved screen ( John Belton The following essay examines the history of the curved screen for motion picture presentation from Raoul Grimoin-Sanson’s Cineorama, which debuted at the Paris Exposition of 1900, to curved screens in contemporary multiplexes. The goal of the essay is not to provide a definitive history of the curved screen but to explore its virtues and limitations. Novelty projection formats The curved screen of the Cineorama process emerged as a novelty format for the presentation ofanimagethat literallyengulfedaudiences at the Paris Exposition. Using ten interlocked 70mm projectors, Grimoin-Sanson filled a 360-degree, 300 by 30-foot screen with images of a balloon ascension, filmed from an actual balloon that took off from the Tuileries and descended in La Grande Place de Bruxelles. The curved screen did not become a fixture of motion picture presentation until Cinerama, another novelty format, made it an essential ingredient in the illusion of depth it provided for spectators. In the pre-widescreen era, standard projection manuals, such as F.H. Richardson’s Handbook of Projection, advocated for the installation of flat screens in all theatres. Richardson wrote that ‘there is no advantage in the installation of a concave screen surface, except possibly in cases where the distance of projection is such that a very short focal length projection lens [e.g. 3.5 inch] must be employed ...’1 What Richardson acknowledges is a necessary calculus for the correction of distortion. Short focal length lenses introduce distortion, spreading rays of light farther than normal lenses. Curved screens can function to reduce that distortion. With wide angle projection lenses, the radius of the distance from the lens to the screen necessarily varies across the width of the screen – with a shorter radius at the centre of the screen and longer radii at the extreme edges of the screen. A curved screen could compensate for these differences and ensure a more or less even distribution of light and a sharper focus of the image at the edges of the screen. Between Cineorama and Cinerama, other novelty projection situations also called for curved screens. One such screen is associated with Henri Chretien’s Hypergonar lens in its pre-CinemaScope days. Back in 1937, at the International Exposition in Paris, two Hypergonar lenses were used to project a composite, 60 metre by 10 metre panoramic image onto a concave exterior wall at the Pavilion of Light. The curved wall compensated, in part, for the distortion introduced by the cylindrical projection lenses, maintaining a constant distance in the projection throw from centre to sides. Cinerama inventor Fred Waller was also working with curved screens – projecting a mosaic of still pictures on a curved screen at the 1939 World’s Fair in New York. At around this time, Waller was experimenting with peripheral vision as a component of the illusion of depth. He concluded that in order to fill the field of human peripheral vision, he would need a screen that was the width of an entire city block. As his colleague Ralph Walker explained it, what Waller needed was a curved screen ‘to delimit the field of vision and yet convey a sense of the all-embracing environment of his films’. Grounding his work on the fact that ‘normal human vision is actually arc-shaped ..., [giving] us a curved view of the world around us’ that took the form of a ‘sweeping arc of about 160- degrees wide and 60-degrees high’, Waller reasoned that ‘if a picture covering that same area were projected on a curved screen ..., anyone watching it would feel as if he were right in the center of it’.2 The curved screen became an integral part of Waller’s flexible gunnery trainer in the early 1940s and of his subsequent experiments with Cinerama in the midto- late-1940s. Film History, Volume 16, pp. 277–285, 2004. Copyright © John Libbey Publishing ISSN: 0892-2160. Printed in United States of America John Belton teaches film in the English Department at Rutgers University. Address correspondence to him at Belton@fas-english.rutgers.edu Three-strip Cinerama On 30 September 1952, Cinerama premiered at the Broadway Theatre in New York City on a screen that was 75 feet wide and 26 feet high.3 The screen filled the theatre’s proscenium arch and then some. The edges of the curved screen extended eight feet on either side out into the auditorium. The screen was so large that the original asbestos curtain could not be lowered; the fire department had to waive its usual regulations to permit the theatre to operate without it.4 The screen covered an arc of 146-degrees and curved to a depth of roughly 25 feet.5 Original photography for films made in the Cinerama process relied on three wide angle (27mm) lenses so the curved screen played a small role in correcting for distortion introduced by these lenses. Unlike single projector systems, three-strip Cinerama projection minimised distortion along the curve of the screen by locating its projection booths directly opposite the side panels of the screen; in other words, the projectors were positioned to provide head-on projection of each panel. With the advent of single-strip Cinerama in the early 1960s, a single booth was used, as well as a less deeplycurved screen. The new screen reduced the curvature of the arc from 146 to as little as 90-degrees, depending on the size of the theatre.6 For example, the Cinerama Dome, built in 1963 in Los Angeles, has a 126-degree curve in its 86 by 32-foot screen. Single-strip Cinerama The Cinerama single lens process introduced ‘corrections’ in the printing and projection to make the new films suitable for projection in the old, deeplycurved, three-strip theatres. The printer lens of a special optical printer introduced what was referred to as ‘barrel distortion’ to generate a negative for producing prints for deeply-curved screens. This was accompanied by a slight horizontal compression in the two side panels – a compression that would be unsqueezed by the curvature of the screen itself. The projection lens used in the theatre was designed with what was called ‘pin-cushion distortion’. The result was that ‘the shape of the projected rectangular image approximate[d] the projected shape of the screen’. The amount of ‘pin-cushion distortion’ was ‘proportionate to the focal length of the projection lens required for any particular theatre’. 7 In other words, single lens Cinerama films must be ‘corrected’ if they are to be shown on deeplycurved screens. Over the past ten years, several three-strip Cinerama theatres have been constructed or restored. These include the Pictureville Theater (opening ca. 1993) at the National Museum of Photography, Film and Television in Bradford, England; the Neon (opening ca. 1996) in Dayton, Ohio, which no longer operates as a Cinerama theatre; Paul Allen’s Seattle Cinerama Theater (opening in June, 2000) in Seattle; and the Cinerama Dome (re-opening in September, 2003) in Los Angeles. I have been able to see a number of three-strip and single-strip Cinerama films at Bradford on its 51 by 22-foot screen, which curves to a depth of 15 feet. While all the three-strip films look pretty good on this curve, single-strip films, such as Battle of the Bulge (1965), 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), and The Last Valley (1971), appeared distorted on the deeply curved Cinerama screen because those prints were uncorrected. The curved Cinerama screen automatically amplified the sense of audience participation by surrounding spectators with the image, but it also posed a potential problem. Light reflected from one edge of the screen struck the opposite edge, washing out the image. Cinerama solved that problem with its louvered screen, consisting of 1,100 vertical strips. The louvered strips prevented the reflection of light back on to the other side of the screen. Subsequently, two Cinerama clones were introduced. Cinemiracle was unveiled with the premiere of Windjammer in 1958. In 1956–1957, Evsei M. Goldovskii and Soviet scientists at N.I.F.K.I (All- Fig. 1. The Cinerama screen in the Broadway Theatre curved to a depth of 25 feet [author’s collection]. 278 John Belton Union Scientific Research Institute of Motion Picture Photography) developed Kinopanarama which won a Grand Prize at the 1958 World’s Fair in Brussels. Great is my Country was the first film in the process. When it was shown in Moscow, it played on a deeplycurved screen that was 102 feet wide and 38 feet in height; it boasted nine-track stereo sound (Cinerama featured only seven).8 A compilation of six Kinopanarama films was released in the United States as Cinerama’s Russian Adventure (1966). Wide-angle projection Paramount The success of Cinerama prompted a host of ersatz widescreen presentations. A new pair of widescreen aperture plates and a pair of short focal length projection lenses enabled any exhibitor to climb onto the widescreen bandwagon. The wide angle projection lenses were frequently accompanied by curved screens – in part, to compensate for the distortion but also to cash in on the added attraction of a Cinerama-like curved screen. Paramount introduced what it called the ‘Paramount Panoramic Screen’ for the projection of 1.66:1 films. It resembled the RCA Synchro-Screen, designed by theatre architect Ben Schlanger. The curvature of the screen varied, depending on the width of the auditorium and the projection throw. ‘For normal houses, the radius of curvature should be equal to, or greater than threequarters of the distance from the centre of the screen to the projector, assuming that the projector is not further forward than the last row of seats. In very wide houses, the radius should be approximately equal to the projector throw.’9 A year later, with the advent of VistaVision, Paramount re-issued guidelines for screen curvature: ‘We recommend curving metallic screens with a radius equal to the projection throw or in long narrow houses this radius may be increased to one and one-fourth or one and one-half times projection throw. We also recommend tilting the screen back slightly at the top in theatres that have very high projection angles.’10 The second VistaVision film, Strategic Air Command (1955), was shown at the Paramount Theatre in New York on a 64 by 32-foot metalised screen that curved to a depth of 3.5 feet.11 Fig. 2. Paramount’s Panoramic screen curved slightly to compensate for wide angle projection [Jay Emanuel Publications]. Fig. 3. Universal’s Wide-Vision screen curved to a depth of three feet in the Loew’s State Theatre [Jay Emanuel Publications]. The curved screen 279 Universal In the Spring of 1953, Universal-International introduced a new, all-purpose wide screen with the release of Thunder Bay. Made by U-I’s special photographic effects dept. in conjunction with the Research Council of the Motion Picture Producers Assn., the new screen was designed to be used for 3-D or 2-D films with aspect ratios from 1.33 to 2:1. According to Universal, ‘After weeks of experimentation, it was discovered that a larger and brighter picture could be achieved by spray coating a textile surface with aluminum powder and giving the screen a moderate curvature’.12 The screen was ‘curved on a 90 foot radius’. It had ‘a light magnifying factor of approximately four to one, as compared to present theatrical screens of less than one’.13 The depth of the curve on the 46 by 24-foot screen at Loew’s State Theatre in New York was about three feet.14 The curved screens introduced by Paramount and Universal saw the industry through a brief transition period where old, 1.33:1 films were released in cropped, wide screen formats. During this period, a number of screen manufacturers marketed curved screens, such as the ‘Curvamatic Screens’ and Walker Screens. Curved screen even found their way into drive-ins. CinemaScope With the introduction of CinemaScope in September of 1953, Twentieth Century-Fox designed a complete technological package for exhibitors, consisting of widescreen film, stereophonic sound, and curved screens. Fox’s Miracle Mirror screen was designed to imitate Cinerama’s curved screen but without the latter’s deep curve. The curve of the CinemaScope screen was relatively shallow. Depending on the size of the projected image and the distance of the projection throw, the depth of the curve could range from less than a foot to 8 feet. The CinemaScope screen curved at the approximate rate of one inch Fig. 4. Table indicating depth of curve for CinemaScope screens, based on picture width and projection throw [Jay Emanuel Publications]. 280 John Belton per foot, resulting, in the case of a sixty-two foot wide screen, in a five foot curve. The CinemaScope curve compensated for the horizontal expansion of the image, keeping the screen at a more or less constant distance from the centre of the projection lens and, thus, insuring a focus that was as sharp at the edges as at the centre. The accompanying table (facing page) for computing the dimensions of the curved screen provides an indication of the depth of the curve (indicated in column ‘R’) in relation to projection throw (the numbers at the top running from left to right ranging from 60 to 200) and picture width (the numbers at the side from top to bottom ranging from 24 to 74). Fox’s instructions for the installation of its Miracle Mirror screens stated that the curvature of the screen should have a radius equal to that of the projection throw. Fox promoted the curved screen as a way of maintaining adequate picture brightness across the surface of the screen and, in some situations, improving ‘picture definition at the sides’. But the studio also acknowledged that curved screens do introduce distortion through the curvature of horizontal lines. This distortion could be reduced by ‘tilting the top of the screen away from the projector a few degrees’.15 Fox recommended that exhibitors obtain special aperture plates to correct for certain distortions in projection – such as keystoning and off-centre projection from high angles. When projecting from a steep angle, in order to get a rectangular picture on a curved screen, banana-shaped aperture plates had to be used. Distortion is clearly more visible with steep projection angles; spectators seated in the balcony also experienced distortion. Campaigning against curved screens One trade publication – International Projectionist – published by members of the projectionist union took issue with Fox and its CinemaScope package, including the curved screen. International Projectionist felt that 60-foot-plus wide screens were just too wide and published its own preferred screen sizes. For a small theatre – 30 x 18 feet; medium – 44 x 24 feet; and large – 50 x 38 feet (Vol. 28, No. 5 [May 1953]: 23). The journal declared the 2.55:1 aspect ratio to be ‘absurd’ (IP, 9/53, 3) and it sided with small exhibitors and denounced Fox’s insistence on stereo magnetic sound as part of the CinemaScope package. But its most consistent target was the curved screen which it denounced in a series of articles beginning in March of 1953. In its editorials, the journal argues that ‘far from eliminating distortion, the curved screen creates it! ... Because the screen is curved, not flat, horizontal lines appear bowed, while vertical lines are variously curved, depending on the camera angle and the seat from which the screen is viewed... . From the balcony, the waterfall flows up!’ (IP 3/53, 16). Subsequent editorials included graphic illustrations of this perceived distortion. In May of 1954, Robert A. Mitchell complained that ‘a flat floor in a Cinema- Scope picture looks like the interior of a bathtub. Walls vault in graceful arches. Rivers flow uphill and skyscrapers emulate the leaning tower of Pisa.’16 As late as 1960, they recommended that a prism-type compensator be attached to the CinemaScope lens to straighten out its horizontal lines (IP 2/60, 22). The prism attachment was designed to correct Cinema- Scope’s supposed ‘horizontal sag’. In a review of a CinemaScope demo at the Roxy, an editorial complained that ‘the curve of the screen was too deep, about 5 feet at the Roxy, and while necessary for this vast expanse, it irritated us Fig. 5. International Projectionist’s rendition of distortion introduced by CinemaScope’s curved screen projection [International Projectionist]. The curved screen 281 because we were always conscious of it’. (IP, 5/53, 23). When Radio City Music Hall installed a flat 70 by 28-foot screen for its premiere of Knights of the Round Table in CinemaScope, International Projectionist congratulated the Hall on defying Fox’s insistence on a curved screen. One of the problems with curved screens for movie palaces that still ran stage shows was the difficulty in ‘flying’ the screen. Both the extreme size of the screen and its curve demanded considerable space in the fly lofts above the stage – space which the Music Hall apparently did not have. But it was not impossible to fly a Cinema- Scope screen with the help of two-to-three counterweights. When Paramount demonstrated VistaVision at the Hall in the Spring of 1954, the review was titled ‘Promise of Sanity at Music Hall’. The editors of IP vastly preferred the less extreme VistaVision format to that of CinemaScope. Todd-AO Todd-AO restored the madness with a vengeance. In its attempt to duplicate the experience of Cinerama with one projector and one strip of film, Todd- AO relied on extreme, bug-eye lenses in original photography and on a deeply curved screen in projection. Instead of Cinerama’s louvered screen, Todd-AO introduced a specially designed lenticular screen, which was ‘a plastic-coated fabric with an aluminum surface embossed in a formation of lenticles, or tiny lenses’. It performed a similar function to Cinerama’s louvered screen, preventing ‘the surface from reflecting light back on itself at the extremities’. 17 Like CinemaScope’s Miracle Mirror screen, Todd-AO’s screens also concentrated the reflected light into the area occupied by the audience (rather than dispersing it throughout the auditorium). The Todd-AO screen curved to a depth of 13 feet for a screen with a width of 52 feet (at the chord) and a height of 26 feet.18 This extreme screen curvature resulted in visible distortion, which Brian O’Brien corrected in his design of the system’s optics. Todd-AO’s ingenious answer to the problem of distortion was to compensate for it in the printing process, by introducing optical distortions into the projection prints. Thus American Optical developed an ‘optical correcting printing process which eliminate[ d] distortions in wide films when projected from high angles onto a sharply curved screen’.19 This corrective-printing process also corrected prints for distortion ‘caused by the use of extreme wide-angle lenses in photography’.20 (The degree of curve in the screen also eliminated some of the distortion introduced by the use of extreme wide angle camera lenses, but Mike Todd, Jr. insisted that O’Brien’s lenses resulted in some optical distortion in the final print of Oklahoma! even when ‘corrected’ prints were projected on the Todd-AO screen.)21 Todd-AO’s film laboratory in Fort Lee actually produced two ‘classes’ of projection prints for theatres – one for projection at angles from 10 to 15 degrees and another for angles of 15 degrees or more.22 Demonstrations of this ‘corrective printing process’ were given in September 1955 at George Skouras’ Rivoli Theatre in New York, which had installed a new projection booth on the ground floor to Fig. 6. Todd-AO’s screen curved to a depth of roughly 13 feet at the Rivoli Theater. [Author’s collection.] 282 John Belton enable comparison tests. One optically-corrected, 70mm print of Oklahoma! was projected from the theatre’s original booth, which had an extreme projection angle of 22 degrees and another, non-corrected print was projected from this new booth, which featured virtually head-on projection at an angle of 2.8 degrees.23 Later that year, similar tests were conducted at the Rivoli for participants at the 79th SMPTE conference in New York, but this time a single booth was used. To demonstrate the virtues of the corrective printing process, an uncorrected print of Oklahoma! was projected at an angle of 22 degrees, followed by a corrected print, which eliminated the distortions seen previously.24 Todd-AO claimed that this system could accommodate projection angles as great as 25 degrees.25 Though Todd-AO prints could be tailor-made for individual theatres, the deeply-curved, Todd-AO theatre screen remained incompatible with prints filmed in other widescreen processes, such as Cinema- Scope, which employed no corrective printing process. These films were therefore terribly distorted when shown on a Todd-AO screen from extreme projection angles. This proved to be the chief problem with curved screens – since the degree of curvature varied with each process, no one curved screen could be made compatible for the exhibition the various curved-screen formats. Dimension-150 Dimension-150, developed by Dr. Richard Vetter and Dr. C. Williams in 1963, also attempted to solve the problem of curved-screen distortion. D-150’s optical system relies on 50-degree, 70-degree, 120-degree and 150-degree lenses for principal photography. During the printing process, a special lens is used to ‘correct’ the film image so that it can be projected on a deeply-curved screen similar to that used in Cinerama. The D-150 printing process can also generate flat-screen versions for exhibition in 70mm or 35mm. The D-150 print of Patton shown at Bradford in 2002 on the Cinerama screen was clearly generated for flat screen exhibition. It was visibly distorted on the Cinerama screen. D-150 was designed to be shown on screens ‘from 120 degrees to 150 degrees of arc, depending on the physical features of various theatres. A typical deeply-curved screen size: 34 feet high by 92 feet wide; its aspect ratio is 2.7 to 1.’26 The typical D-150 screen curves to a depth of 20 feet.27 At the Rivoli, the D-150 screen curved to a depth of 37.5 feet.28 Fig. 7. An advertisement for Dimension-150, featuring a deeply-curved screen [Jay Emanuel Publications]. The curved screen 283 Other systems Numerous curved-screen processes have been installed in theme parks and other special venues, including Disney’s Circarama and Circlevision, Spacearium, and various Imax systems. Circarama, introduced in 1955, was a 16mm system that used eleven cameras in production and the same number of interlocked projectors to display 360-degree images on eleven panels on the walls of a circular auditorium. At Disneyland, the screen was eight feet in height and the auditorium had a diameter of 40 feet. Spectators stood in the centre of the auditorium. 29 Circlevision, installed at Disneyland and Disney World’s Epcot Center, was a 35mm system that projected 360-degrees of image on nine panels. The Wonders of China was made to highlight the Circlevision format. In all of these multi-camera and multiprojector systems, distortion in the projected image is minimised because projection is more-or-less head-on and the curvature in each panel of the composite 360-degree screen is minimal. At the 1958 Photokina Exhibition in Cologne, Germany, Adalbert Baltes’ Cinetarium process was demonstrated. Cinetarium involved the use of a hemispherical mirror in photography and projection to project a 360-degree circular image onto a domelike screen mounted in the theatre’s ceiling.30 Introduced in 1967 at Montreal’s Expo 67, Imax has preserved the curved screen experience in both the Omnimax and Imax Solido systems; Omnimax projects images through a 180-degree fish-eye lens onto a dome in the ceiling of the auditorium that is up to 99 feet in diameter while Imax Solido projects stereoscopic images onto a screen that wraps around the audience. The deeply-curved screen remained a feature of specialised exhibition formats, such as Cinerama, Todd-AO, and D-150, into the late 1960s, but it became increasingly rare thereafter – except in Imax theatres and theme parks. The slightly-curved screen disappeared from conventional theatres much earlier – probably by the late 1950s and early 1960s, after the first generation of Miracle Mirror and other curved screens had been replaced. But within the last 10–20 years, the curved screen has begun to make a comeback. Slightlycurved screens now function as attractions in contemporary exhibition. Starting in 1998, AMC theatres began to install the Torus Compound Curved Screen in its theatres. ‘This screen uses powerful fans that act as air pumps to keep the viewing surface pulled back into a concave dish shape.’31 Introduced in 1987 by Sigma Design Group, the Torus screen is a seamless screen without perforations for behindthe- screen speakers. Perforations would interfere with the vacuum system that maintains the curve. As a result, speakers are placed above, below and alongside the screens. One-fifth of AMC theatres have installed the $25,000 Torus screens. The Marcus Theatres, the ninth largest theatre circuit in the United States with over 490 theatres in the mid-West, boasts that it has ‘all the amenities ... stadium seating, digital sound, and big curved screens ...’. A number of United Artists theatres also advertise curved screens while many multi-screen cinema complexes advertise ‘wall-to-wall curved screens, digital sound’, and stadium seating. The return of the curved screen may have more to do with the design of contemporary multiplexes than with their novelty value or showmanship appeal. The size of contemporary,multi-screen theatres has encouraged the use of short focal length projection lenses to get large images on big screens with very little projection throw. One lens manufacturer, Schneider, advertises a line of Super-Cinelux wide angle projection lenses. These short focal length lenses start at 24mm and are being marketed to theatres for curved screen exhibition. Ironically, these short lenses and limited projection throws look back to theatre conditions in the silent era and to the discussion of screen curvature in Richardson’s 1927 Handbook of Projection. As Richardson noted, curved screens were only preferable to flat screens ‘in cases where the distance of projection is such that a very short focal length projection lens must be employed’. The rule of thumb is still all about keeping the edges of the image in focus. The curved screen has made a comeback, but it has returned not so much as a novelty as a norm. It is no longer a device used to engulf audiences in images and to produce an illusion of depth. The shallow curves of contemporary screens can only allude nostalgically to deeply curved screens of the 1950s and 1960s. Curved screens give exhibitors something to ballyhoo, like digital sound, stadium seating, and cup holders, but their impact on the nature of the motion picture experience that today’s spectators have is minimal. Their impact is more like that of a cup holder than that of digital sound or stadium seating, which really have transformed the nature of that experience. 284 John Belton 1. Richardson, Handbook of Projection (5th edn) (New York: Chalmers Publishing Co., 1927): 233. 2. Ralph Walker, ‘The Birth of an Idea’ in New Screen Techniques, ed. Martin Quigley, Jr. (New York: Quigley Publishing, 1953): 114–116. 3. International Projectionist gives the figures as 78 feet around the curve, 51 feet straight across the curve, and 26 feet high. January 1953. 4. William R. Latady, ‘Cinerama Arrives’, Theatre Catalog, 1953–54 (Philadelphia: Jay Emanuel Publications, 1953): 194. 5. Greg Kimble, ‘How the West Was Won’, American Cinematographer, Vol. 64, No. 10 (October 1983): 90. 6. Keith H. Swadkins, ‘Whatever happened to Cinerama?’, Cinema Technology Quarterly, Vol. 3, No. 4 (July 1990): 63. 7. ‘Cinerama Single Lens Process’, www.widescreenmuseum. com/widescreen/singlelensprocess. htm. 8. ‘Soviet Cinerama Makes its Debut’, New York Times (9 March 1958). 9. ‘Old Films Get the New Look’, Theatre Catalog, 1953–54 (Philadelphia: Jay Emanuel Publications, 1953): 198. 10. ‘The Paramount VistaVision Process’, Theatre Catalog, 1954–55 (Philadelphia: Jay Emanuel Publications, 1955): 235. 11. International Projectionist, Vol. 30, No. 4 (April 1955): 5. 12. Theatre Catalog, 1953–53 (Philadelphia: Jay Emanuel Productions, 1954): 202. 13. ‘Old Films Get the New Look’, 202. 14. International Projectionist Vol. 28, No. 5 (May 1953): 8. 15. ‘Installing CinemaScope’, Theatre Catalog, 1954–55 (Philadelphia: JayEmanuelPublications, 1954): 225- 227. 16. ‘The Anatomy of CinemaScope’, International Projectionist, Vol. 29, No. 5 (May 1954): 7. 17. Motion Picture Daily (7 October 1955), 16. 18. The actual width of the Rivoli screen was 63 feet when measured along the curve, but it was 52 feet along the chord, which was the term used to describe the distance, in a straight line, from one edge of the screen to the other. 19. Film Daily (2 May 1956). 20. ‘Progress Committee Report’, JSMPTE 65, No. 5 (May 1956), 248. 21. Michael Todd, Jr. and Susan McCarthy Todd, A Valuable Property: The Life Story of Michael Todd (New York: Arbor House, 1983): 294–295. 22. Film Daily (2 September 1955), 10. 23. Ibid., 14. 24. Film Daily (2 May 1956). 25. Film Daily (26 October 1956). 26. ‘D-150 Demonstration Run Gets Unanimous “Raves”’, International Projectionist, Vol. 39, No. 3 (March 1964): 8. 27. Charles Loring, ‘Photographing ‘The Bible’ in Dimension- 150’, American Cinematographer (February 1965), 105. 28. Don V. Kloepfl, ed. Motion Picture Projection and Theatre Presentation Manual (New York: SMPTE, 1969): 15. 29. Alden, Alex (uncredited), Widescreen Motion Picture Systems. Pamphlet published by the Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers, New York, 1965. No page numbers. 30. Alden, Alex (uncredited), Widescreen Motion Picture Systems. Pamphlet published by the Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers. New York, 1965. No page numbers. 31. Michael P. Lewis, ‘Silver Screens Worth Their Weight in Gold’, Los Angeles Times (15 July 1998). Notes The curved screen 285 DefinerOfReality 04-21-07, 09:48 PM Fascinating! But how have you solved both the acoustical and optical issues with a curved screen? taker 04-22-07, 02:22 AM 115 Cineramax, Other than the bulb and what is the difference between the Runco Vx-44d and the Runco Vx-55D ? dose the bulb cost that much more ? CINERAMAX 04-27-07, 03:28 PM The acoustical issues are handled with room treatments, The optical ones are for non anamorphic PJ's, and even if you do not use anamorphics a long throw distance solves the problem. Taker the vx-44 and vx-55 have a different power supply entirely, hence the different lamps. DefinerOfReality 04-27-07, 03:35 PM I'm confused. How can you treat the room for the concave lensing effect that a curved screen has on sound when sitting in the sweet spot? Also, a curved screen will tend to self-splash light back onto itself, lowering contrast ratio and apparent color saturation in bright scenes. Otherwise, I am also a big fan of curved screens. Do you have any original Cinerama theaters near you? DefinerOfReality 06-20-07, 07:30 PM So did the Torus Theater work out? CINERAMAX 06-21-07, 01:20 PM We will know in 9 months. Here is the mockup. http://cineramax.com/images/Theater002.jpg DefinerOfReality 06-21-07, 02:18 PM HOT! How wide is the screen (curve inclusive)? CINERAMAX 06-21-07, 02:45 PM 157 5/8 or 157.5 straight. DefinerOfReality 06-21-07, 06:37 PM 13.14 feet eh? What's the throw distance to the best seat? CINERAMAX 06-21-07, 10:37 PM http://cineramax.com/images/Prometheus-elevation-cross-.jpg The best seat is a Family bed that occupies the entire width of the room (almost).I would say net of the 16" depth of the torus the viewing distance is 20 feet. This is a simulated angle overlayed over the mockup. http://cineramax.com/images/Viewfrombed_TORUS_SML.jpg DefinerOfReality 06-21-07, 11:19 PM Great Work! I'm curious, though, won't the tweeters in your D'Apolito front towers be too low for the bed seating (lying) to have flat treble response? Might some speaker rake, like the center channel not possibly improve the overall response back at the bed height? CINERAMAX 06-21-07, 11:45 PM Im not sure we can tilt back those behemoths. In any event a speaker platform will be built to raise the tweeter window to the Family Bed Height. Probably sand filled like this other one, (but deeper in the Torus room). http://cineramax.com/images/Proposed-cinemascope-height.jpg DefinerOfReality 06-22-07, 12:15 AM Excellent! Is there some special type of treatment you are using behind the bed (lying) position that addresses the close rear wall position? CINERAMAX 06-22-07, 01:16 AM http://cineramax.com/images/Ugos%20Cinema%20Phoebe_jpg.jpg Essentially the back of the room has to be total absorption. Imagine a foam matress stuck inside the wall . With a woodgrill covering like this one. That is a must for the Torus. Then the problem is finding the angles of attack for the surround speakers to have envelopment in the back row. We are working on that, there are several ways to skin that cat. CINERAMAX 06-22-07, 01:43 AM http://cineramax.com/images/Torus-Section.jpg I have distorted the radius a bit, and eliminated all radius reference and the image height to protect Stewart Intelectual Property right. However the shop drawing depicts the proximity sensor used to engage and disengage the ME unit (stewarts term for a manifolded ventilator unit) reminiscent of an astronauts pre flight luggable ac unit. DefinerOfReality 06-22-07, 01:58 AM So the whole room gets sucked out - totally isolated environmentally? CINERAMAX 06-22-07, 02:07 AM The room is isolated from the rest of the house by other means. The vacuum of the screen does not pull that much pressure actually, it's just enough negative pressure to pop the screen to the proper curvatures. Like a revrese spinnaker. Once that happens the sensor cuts off the fans, the screen slowly deflates over say a 6 hour period the sensor kicks the fans in again.... you get the picture. It's an endless cycle, and quite reliable. DefinerOfReality 06-22-07, 02:09 AM WOW - Did you come up with this Torus Screen solution? It sounds really cool! CINERAMAX 06-22-07, 02:37 AM No I came about it by sheer curiosity, in 1992 NAB Kodak was using one with 35 mm to promote the screens near 70mm qualities. I dug up and met Gerald Nash the coinventor of the tchnology (who passed in 2001). They just had installed one in the Sony Studios culver city facility, where they were transfering about 300 movies into MUSE laserdiscs using dual stacked 9 inch sony hDIH projectors and comparing to the 35 mm film. The screen was 16' by 9'. When I saw that i knew what video nirvana was. It took me flying about 4 clients from Miami to LA to show them the holly grail, and eventually 2 comissioned the screens for home theater. At those early years of the ISF and video standards there were competing vested interests vying to control and dominate " the high end video market" suffice is to say that adding a $27K screen to the equation was considered an extravaganze considering the high acoustical risk, NEVER MIND THAT THE SCREENS white field uniformity, and contrast enhancement did unbelievable things to the 9" crt projectors. Joel Silver, and Gary Reber refused to review the systems during Stereophile 94. So the technology lay dormant until in this forum Don Stewart and I strated a thread where he basically said to the DIY's this is basically how it's done, and I will allow you to build one for your own personal use if you build it yourself. Then all of a sudden the technology got "vindicated" and to this dat it has a robust following in the crt forum. To be fair Gary Reber did review the Torus Screen during the premiere of Digital Star Wars in 1998, and gave it a glowing review. But as good as the screen is for light starved CRT's, it has certain psycovisual subtelties, probably related to the field unifomity that makes it an ideal screen for single lens projection. We will see, with digital cinema projectors the images are getting soo good that the Torus may in fact enter therealm of diminishing returns, if a unity gain screen with contrast enhancement is found. DefinerOfReality 11-18-07, 07:15 PM No I came about it by sheer curiosity, in 1992 NAB Kodak was using one with 35 mm to promote the screens near 70mm qualities. I dug up and met Gerald Nash the coinventor of the tchnology (who passed in 2001). They just had installed one in the Sony Studios culver city facility, where they were transfering about 300 movies into MUSE laserdiscs using dual stacked 9 inch sony hDIH projectors and comparing to the 35 mm film. The screen was 16' by 9'. When I saw that i knew what video nirvana was. ... We will see, with digital cinema projectors the images are getting soo good that the Torus may in fact enter therealm of diminishing returns, if a unity gain screen with contrast enhancement is found. Peter, I was under the impression that only Sony in Japan were involved in the creation of MUSE LaserDisc masters (of which only 178 titles were created?) as the format was only intended for Japan and it's MUSE HDTV market (available to the Japanese public beginning in 1986)? I'm also curious about a unity gain screen with contrast enhancement for large applications, starting at 14' wide and larger. Cheers - Jeremy www.Kipnis-Studios mhafner 11-19-07, 03:26 PM We will see, with digital cinema projectors the images are getting soo good that the Torus may in fact enter therealm of diminishing returns, if a unity gain screen with contrast enhancement is found. Why does a screen need contrast enhancement? donaldk 11-19-07, 07:20 PM Hmm, haven't the Torusses been around for much longer than the use of the word 'co-inventor' would suggest. Believe they already came with the Saba Schauinsland Telerama first introduced in 1948, according to online sources. ptrubey 11-20-07, 12:10 PM In post #30 of this thread, you show a schematic picture showing the projector tilted downwards. Wouldn't that create a fair amount of keystoning? odyssey 11-21-07, 07:43 AM In post #30 of this thread, you show a schematic picture showing the projector tilted downwards. Wouldn't that create a fair amount of keystoning? An angle of no more than about 3.5 degrees will produce only minimal keystone, which is noticeable mainly on the right and left image edges, which can be hidden on the screen frame. Also, the digital cinema models, like the one Peter is installing, have adjustable angled blanking that will produce a perfectly straight edge. It's much better to have a small amount of keystone that can't be seen in video than to drive the lens to an extreme off axis position which degrades image quality, especially uniformity. odyssey 11-21-07, 07:51 AM Schneider has software that will show the amount of keystone with various projector angles, throw distance, etc.: http://www.schneideroptics.com/software/tdp.htm CINERAMAX 11-21-07, 07:58 AM As usual what would we do without your wisdom, Master O. Interestingly the projector depicted there was a conceptual of the new Titan Reference. By the time you add the anamorphic lens the depth of that unit exceeded that of the Barco DP1500 (which has the tilted keystone blanking, or curved blanking Odyssey references to above, the Titan does not). So now the Barco is back on the drawing board for Prometheus. Phil we will have a small time window to see the high contrast Barco during January here. You need to replace your unit, I believe you know the owner of the Barco VAR in Orange county. This is the projector your theater screams for. I would even do multiple aspect ratio with 2-1 presentation of 2.35 content due to your constant image width scenario. It is hdcp, it will be cool seeing: Display Barco DP1500 when you hook up You are all dressed up in a tux, barefoot. :D CINERAMAX 11-21-07, 08:11 AM Peter, I was under the impression that only Sony in Japan were involved in the creation of MUSE LaserDisc masters (of which only 178 titles were created?) as the format was only intended for Japan and it's MUSE HDTV market (available to the Japanese public beginning in 1986)? I'm also curious about a unity gain screen with contrast enhancement for large applications, starting at 14' wide and larger. Cheers - Jeremy www.Kipnis-Studios Jeremy , It is an interesting story but I require time to convey it in all it's riveting aspects ( Ives Faroudja's sudden enrichment as a result of the sale of his company's impact on his professional quests at the time, a telepathic communication from the ces antenna farm in Vegas to Pat Riley in Miami where pondering Ives Faroudja's issues, Pat telepathicaly gave me the solution to Ives problem: The perforated screen, etc.etc.;)). Cutting to the chase certain perforated screens which are optically fitted to match a projection pixel array for moire-less presentation, by virtue of an obscure black matrix effect (baptized by me after a CES anecdote with Ives Faroudja as NEGATIVE LIGHT MATRIX). So the SMX screen that Barco recommended to me, exhibits these qualities, unity gain and contrast enhancement- if properly fitted to the projected pixel arrays (in cinemascope and vistavision ar's). That is a big IF. That is all I can say for now. |