1. Earth to Canuck21, more players are available on Blu-ray now than HD-DVD.

More players? What? You can play players in players?

More players? What? You can play players in players?

Yes there are more Blu-ray players now then HD-DVD players available. PS3, Samsung, Philips, Sony, Panasonic and within the next few days Pioneer. That's versus a Microsoft Xbox add-on and a Toshiba player.

No crap, but your statement in the previous comment sounded like you were from mars, you might want to edit it.

No.

1. Earth to Canuck, more players are available on Blu-ray now than HD-DVD.

2. Earth to Canuck, the best looking titles lately on Blu-ray are MPEG-2. MPEG-2 does not equal horrible PQ.

3. Earth to Canuck, BD-50's ARE out.

4. Earth to Canuck, BD sales are significantly up since the PS3 has been released.

5. Earth to Canuck, all Blu-ray players are not still $1000.

I guess you answered my question though... when the HD-DVD fanboys lose talking points and keep moving the goalposts but run out of new positions to take, they'll just go into denial. So I hope this forum braces for it the next couple months.

Dude, don't lower yourself to their level! Just lets wait and see. There is no point in getting defensive, when its gonna happen anyway!!

No.

1. Earth to Canuck, more players are available on Blu-ray now than HD-DVD.

2. Earth to Canuck, the best looking titles lately on Blu-ray are MPEG-2. MPEG-2 does not equal horrible PQ.

3. Earth to Canuck, BD-50's ARE out.

4. Earth to Canuck, BD sales are significantly up since the PS3 has been released.

5. Earth to Canuck, all Blu-ray players are not still $1000.

I guess you answered my question though... when the HD-DVD fanboys lose talking points and keep moving the goalposts but run out of new positions to take, they'll just go into denial. So I hope this forum braces for it the next couple months.

LOL :D

I am imagining YOYO here with veins bulging out of his head and neck....spittle or froth coming from his mouth and muttering while typing.

What happened with the average price? Now the average price of Blu-ray at Amazon went up $7 to $28.10 vs HD DVD's $21.20. They used to only be a couple dimes apart.

Fox happened with their $40 discs.

How will HD-DVD stand up when the number one title on HD-DVD namely Batman Begins arrives on Blu-Ray?

I tell you what. It isn't lopsided enough. Just make Universal neutral, Warner and Paramount exclusive to Blu-ray, and sell another 5 million PS3's. Then Blu-ray can pass HD DVD in sales. I mean, seriously, how much pride can you have in a format that, despite the MASSIVE advantages it has in studios, CE's, advertising, and install base, needs Batman Begins to beat HD DVD in sales.

And now it goes down-

http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/graphs/salesrank-1-1-recent30.jpg

And now it goes down-


Well, if they would of included "The Descent" which was #700-800 around the "eproductwars" update I think the grafs would of been a bit diffrent.
This page is way better, http://www.hdgamedb.com/salesversus.aspx
The BD line on "eproductwars" should of gone up to around 900, not down.

And now it goes down-

http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/graphs/salesrank-1-1-recent30.jpg


Actually, number in top 10,000 is still going up :) very close to HD-DVD now, even though HD-DVD has also gone up.

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/7998/top1000011allnz8.jpg (http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=top1000011allnz8.jpg)

Since everyone is on here making prodections, I predict that Blu-Ray NEVER, NOT A SINGLE TIME takes over HD-DVD's lead, and a further prediction that when the PS3's newness wears off and that console settles in as just a gaming console, sells go right back down to where they were before Christmas. :p

Er,

This is a huge difference between sales rank of 500 and 1000 since the sales rankings are not linear. Even though Blu-ray has been steadily increasing, for the most part HD DVD titles are still ranked an order of magnitude better in sales than the Blu-ray ones.

In addition although the Blu-ray graph lines have increased, the HD DVD lines have stayed above them constantly.

We are now more than a month after the PS3 launch. Inventory constraints considered, the huge sales spike and surge above HD DVD has not materialized. The only thing that has really closed is the number of titles announced and that has been a strategic decision by the HD DVD promo group to hold off until CES next week.

The entire premise of this thread is a "huge Blu-ray surge". In comparison to HD DVD, Blu-ray is certainly gaining but the increase at the bottom of the chart 10000 to 2000 is a heck of a lot easier than 2000 to 1000 or 1000 to 500 or to 100. It gets progressively harder to gain in ranking.

Blu-ray closing the gap from 10000 to 5000 to 1000 is a lot easier than getting to the HD DVD level of 500 or 600 in average top 10 ranking.

Blu-ray is moving up, but it still is clearly below HD DVD in the Amazon sales rankings.

I predict that Blu-Ray NEVER, NOT A SINGLE TIME takes over HD-DVD's lead, and a further prediction that when the PS3's newness wears off and that console settles in as just a gaming console, sells go right back down to where they were before Christmas

I appreciate the sentiment, but frankly the improvement in the top 10000 is probably a more telling sign of the shape of things to come. HD DVD has hung in there way beyond what anyone should think would have been possible by this point. But the Blu-ray onslaught is going to keep picking up as they pound out those PS3's and as the big studio advantage results in a sizable lead in actual number of releases. And the suffocating advertising is just too much. I am admittedly a pessimist about a lot of things, but I think that the absurdly ridiculous one-sided playing field that Blu-ray has eventually will overwhelm HD DVD UNLESS some great things happen at CES. I mean, if you stick a PS3 in every house in the world, Blu-ray will beat HD DVD. It's just a numbers game and unless HD DVD can get there own numbers advantage in some way or another, I think they will have to fall behind. It's a shame HD DVD does not have the economies of scale to just make a $125 stand-alone player right now. Forget trying to play in Blu-ray's ballpark. Stick the $125 player in the BB's and CC's next to the regular DVD players, and give people the choice to spend $75 for a regular one, or $125 for an HD one. I'd like HD DVD's chances in that kind of scenario. Anyway, talk about a pipedream.

The only thing that has really closed is the number of titles announced and that has been a strategic decision by the HD DVD promo group to hold off until CES next week.

Hello sir

Well, i would like to add that 2 of the 3 studio announcements for HD-DVD will just get added to the blu-ray list. So if warner/paramount announce 40 titles, thats another 40 for blu-ray as well. Not really helping hd-dvd's cause too much there. Universals exclusivity is a trump card that is still there. But i am positive we're going to be seeing a huge announcement from all the BD camps with even more titles then already announced. I honestly would not be shocked if the # of titles announced on blu-ray was double or more what hd-dvd will have by the end of CES 07.

Just a way to look at it. I own neither formats yet, and i was strongly in the hd-dvd camp from the great launch, but it would be foolish to not recognize what is happening and about to happen.

the amazon rankings are measured like this. it took me 2 full years and 24 hour study.

and here is the results. how more money you pay as studio,how higher your sales ranking goes.

you see. those rankings do not present how much people buy the movies. but how much money the studios pay per title to keep the sales ranking up :)

so obvious at this moment all the 150 million marketing dollars of HD-DVD is going into amazon.com to keep those sales over bluray!!!

ofcourse this is a joke, but so are the amazon rankings . i wonder if people ever get over it that noone yet has figured out how amazon sales are measured. so how can they actually present true sales?

i have no phreaking idea. but hopefully someone with more info can enlighten me :)

the amazon rankings are measured like this. it took me 2 full years and 24 hour study.

and here is the results. how more money you pay as studio,how higher your sales ranking goes.

you see. those rankings do not present how much people buy the movies. but how much money the studios pay per title to keep the sales ranking up :)

so obvious at this moment all the 150 million marketing dollars of HD-DVD is going into amazon.com to keep those sales over bluray!!!

ofcourse this is a joke, but so are the amazon rankings . i wonder if people ever get over it that noone yet has figured out how amazon sales are measured. so how can they actually present true sales?

i have no phreaking idea. but hopefully someone with more info can enlighten me :)

There actually has been some serious study on how the Amazon rankings correlate into book sales sold on Amazon. The bottom line is that the sales rankings do a good job of showing the relative sales of a book both over time and also show short term popularity. Titles that are consistently high over time, sell more.

If the dvdwars site is accurately using the Amazon reporting tools, and it seems that it is, besides missing some low selling Blu-ray titles that would not affect the charts, then the graphs are accurately showing trends.

There is no convincing reason to me that the Amazon graphs show any bias to HD DVD or Blu-ray. Any methodology issues apply to both formats equally.

The usefulness of this as a tool is the fact that data has been kept since the formats launched.

Amazon has steadily gained over the years as a major factor in online DVD sales, and that has gained even faster than its book sales business.

Now obviously it would be better to have actual sales numbers of each title, but for various legitimate reasons we are not going to get that. But if the calculation of the sales rank is unchanging then where that falls over time is a significant indicator of trends and order of magnitude sales.

Whenever we get actual Nielson numbers or other information it correlates well with the Amazon trends, so their is some validity to the data set, even if we can't currently attach numbers to the rankings.

With a bit more data, we may be able to create a chart that correlates a rank to approximate daily or weekly sales, like people have done for book sales. Theres just a few pieces of information needed for us to be able to do that.

This is a tool. Not perfect, but better than anything else readily available.

Good point that the gap continues to close. That 1097 is the highest average ranking in the history of the Blu-ray format. At this rate BD should overtake HD-DVD very soon... as in "sometime in January" soon like many predicted here. I've always said "end of January" but I will revise that to "mid January" looking at that graph.

The question to ask though is if Blu-ray overtakes HD-DVD in sales, seriously what are HD-DVD fanboys going to be left with with their new talking point? There is a reason Blu-ray fans are so used to saying "wait." It's because HD-DVD fanboys constantly move the goalposts and change their arguments. First it was more players available. Then it was MPEG-2=horrible PQ. Then it was BD-50's will never come out. Then it was the PS3 would have no effect on BD sales. Then it was Blu-ray players are all still $1000. Now it is "we are still waiting for BD to overtake HD-DVD in sales." When this happens seriously what is left to use as a talking point? Universal?

Well there's what? 1M BluRay Player out there with the PS3 (approx if you count all Standalone and 900,000+ PS3 player), how many HD DVD player.. 150,000 TOP (with the ADDON), still amazon show the lead, i still CANT GET A FREAKING COPY OF SUPERMAN RETURN IN HDDVD Locally since they have sold out in 2 DAYS on HD DVD, but Futureshop have Plently of copy in BluRay Format (mean a little i know since if they got 12copie of HD DVD and 40 of BluRay but still)... i mean i saw a sales peak of BluRay movie at Futureshop the day that the PS3 has been release, then have that it returned to it's state of accumulating dust..

this is a better site representing Amazon sales data. It's updated every 30 minutes

http://www.hdgamedb.com/salesversus.aspx

this is a better site representing Amazon sales data. It's updated every 30 minutes

http://www.hdgamedb.com/salesversus.aspx

Wow, a Box Office flop like Serenity is still higher in the rankings ( #361 as of now) then the number 1 movie on Blu Ray(#414 as of now), and it has been out since June...amazing.

Well there's what? 1M BluRay Player out there with the PS3 (approx if you count all Standalone and 900,000+ PS3 player), how many HD DVD player.. 150,000 TOP (with the ADDON), still amazon show the lead, i still CANT GET A FREAKING COPY OF SUPERMAN RETURN IN HDDVD Locally since they have sold out in 2 DAYS on HD DVD, but Futureshop have Plently of copy in BluRay Format (mean a little i know since if they got 12copie of HD DVD and 40 of BluRay but still)... i mean i saw a sales peak of BluRay movie at Futureshop the day that the PS3 has been release, then have that it returned to it's state of accumulating dust..

I have read in multiple places of easitmates over 200k units of just the addon so you might want to re-think that.

I have read in multiple places of easitmates over 200k units of just the addon so you might want to re-think that.

Only 42k sold in november. I'd guess the total to be less then 100k as of now.

the amazon rankings are measured like this. it took me 2 full years and 24 hour study.

and here is the results. how more money you pay as studio,how higher your sales ranking goes.

you see. those rankings do not present how much people buy the movies. but how much money the studios pay per title to keep the sales ranking up :)

so obvious at this moment all the 150 million marketing dollars of HD-DVD is going into amazon.com to keep those sales over bluray!!!

ofcourse this is a joke, but so are the amazon rankings . i wonder if people ever get over it that noone yet has figured out how amazon sales are measured. so how can they actually present true sales?

i have no phreaking idea. but hopefully someone with more info can enlighten me :)

Wow, I honestly think this post could lower a reader's IQ. Didn't think that was possible. That was truly a horrifyingly retarded post.

Kosty

i would have agreed with you if there were no stores that sold hd-dvd and bluray. however as we can see that the titles in the top 10 of store sales for hd-dvd and bluray are so much different then Amazon sales makes me believe that amazon sales are much less relevant then store sales.

because with store sales we actually do know that number 1 means most sold numbers. with amazon we simply dont know that.

we do know however in x-mas time that from a study found at this site.

http://www.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/2006/061017FeinbergShop.html

that He predicts online sales will grow from $20 billion last year to $24 billion this year. Traditional retail holiday shopping nationwide is expected to reach $450 billion or more, or between 4 percent and 6 percent more than last year.

so that means that online sales presents something like 5% of the overal market. so in other words. it would mean in theory that amazon + other online stores would only present 5 % of the total high defenition market.

that is why i have much more faith in Retail store sells then in an amazon ranking system which we have no clue about how sales are calculated. even if there sre studies of it. as long as their is no hard defenition on how sales are calculated on amazon we can not use those numbers at all.

if..
but...
when...

;)

lol @ using Amazon to judge total sales.

The weird thing is Blu-ray sales are at an all-time high on amazon, even though most of their top sales titles are either sold out (with 1-2 weeks wait) or on pre-order.

The constant influx of PS3 systems into people's homes is the BD format's ace in the hole to keep software sales in an upward swing. Whether it will catch and surpass HD-DVD sales is another matter. I favor HD-DVD but I'm a realist: even if each new PS3 owner only were to buy one or two BD movies out of curiosity (and we all know in real-life a small minority of HD enthusiasts that buy many movies will cancel out the silent majority of PS3 owners that will never use their new game machine to play a BD movie) that "casual user" consumption will match or surpass the committed attach rate of HD-DVD enthusiasts that buy a ton of movies.

It's sad that a videogame console will determine the success or failure of the potential future of high-definition home entertainment, but that's how the cookie crumbles for Sony.

The limited number of systems available are of course selling, due to mostly Sony fan boys and Sonys hype machine. That however will ony last so long, the PS3 itself is a massive failure as a gaming console, the games are not ground breaking, as Sony had promised, even the games that appear on both consoles look and play better on the 360. Check out the gaming sites and you'll see just how disappointed people are with the PS3. Better yet checkout a PS3 and 360 side by side playing the same games and then see if you can say the PS3 is better with a straight face. :rolleyes: Sony has without a doubt proved they can make promises and work wonders with marketing products, they've also proven time and time again they can't deliver on those promises. Is Blue Ray the product Sony promised? No! Is the PS3 the Product Sony promised? NO! But Sony fanboys will run out and buy them anyway, :rolleyes: in this case you get what you deserve not what you pay for.

I last last thing I want to see on a Blu-ray Forum is this crap! If you hate Sony so bad, good, watch your Tosh and don't look back. Keep on topic this is for BLU-RAY. I have been on the HD DVD forum and when someone has a problem, like many do, you are Suspicious of an agenda, and yet here you are over here trying to stir the pot and pi** people off. Leave......Still here? Go now...

It's sad that a videogame console will determine the success or failure of the potential future of high-definition home entertainment, but that's how the cookie crumbles for Sony.

I see this often from the HD-DVD Folk. If the PS3 were a horrible blu-ray player and overall badly built and designed product, i would agree. However, the PS3 is an exceptional blu-ray player, a widescreen/HD web browser, a SACD player, and oh yes, it played High Definition games and the thousands of previous PS1 and PS2 games. It also lets you view your pictures in true HD through a slide show, plays your movies stored on any external device (memory stick, thumbnail drive, USB external hard drive), and plays your existing DVD movies. Its going to offer movie downloads in 2007, and the PS3 is the first system to actually sell a full retail game through the integrated online service (Tekken 5 1080p). Oh and before i forget, it also lets you install a different operating system (Linux) and gives you a complete HTPC enviornment. And it helps the world to cure cancer (Although im not sure if this is functioning yet, if not, it is in the works). This is just out of the gate 2 months after launch. Imagine what else it will end up doing as time goes on?

Honestly, anyone who considers it just a gaming system hasnt woken up to the reality that these new systems (Xbox 360/PS3) are now multimedia entertainment centers for the living room. To consider it otherwise is not doing it justice.

How is stating opinion "trolling"??? The PS3 is getting anything but rave reviews, it will take you all of but five seconds to do a search and find out how much of a major disappointment the PS3 has been to many people. I'll say it once again in the simplest terms I can, Sony marketed a "vastly superior gaming console" in order to justify it's inflated price. Anyone remember the Sony's sales pitch? "NEXT GEN. STARTS WHEN WE SAY IT DOES" Yeah, right :rolleyes: The only thing they delivered on was the inflated price.


Go away TROLL.

Well there's what? 1M BluRay Player out there with the PS3 (approx if you count all Standalone and 900,000+ PS3 player), how many HD DVD player.. 150,000 TOP (with the ADDON...For end of the year it looks to me like the approximate numbers will be somewhere around 700,000-800,000 PS3s for the US, under 100,000 Blu-ray standalone players, close to 100,000 standalone HD DVD players and close to 200,000 XBOX360 add-ons. If 15% of the PS3s were used for watching Blu-ray movies at the moment, then that would still have HD DVD ahead in number of players being used for HD movies.

--Darin

this is a better site representing Amazon sales data. It's updated every 30 minutes

http://www.hdgamedb.com/salesversus.aspx

8 out of the top ten are HD DVD as of right now. Yea, looks accurate to me too.:)

8 out of the top ten are HD DVD as of right now. Yea, looks accurate to me too.:)

And both of those Blu-ray titles are not in stock. Which means they would've been even higher had they been avaiable.

I'm curious to see what the rankings look like once all the Blu-ray titles are in stock and ready to ship.

IMO, the best example will be Superman returns. It was ranked higher than the HD DVD version right before it went out of stock.

My apologies for not reading all 285 replies prior to replying but if not mentioned yet I'd like to point out that there's a resurgence of BDs at ebay now. The prices of new and used titles are way up compared to what they were just a month ago. I have no doubt that a lot of PS3 owners are checking out Blu-ray to see what it's all about.

bd aint walking over hd dvd. hd dvd has risen also, and bd is still significantly under hd so far.if you look at the graph with the surge spike, it spiked passed hd dvd for one day i.e. ps3 launch day, and dropped all the way to the bottom of the graph the next day and stayed at the bottom.

not really an improvement bad sign actually, meaning, people bought a BD movie with the ps3, and then gamers decided to not support it anymore afterwards.

And both of those Blu-ray titles are not in stock. Which means they would've been even higher had they been avaiable.It isn't clear to me how Amazon does their rankings when things aren't in stock. I've seen some things fall, but they may include the fact that things aren't in stock as part of their equations.

--Darin

not really an improvement bad sign actually, meaning, people bought a BD movie with the ps3, and then gamers decided to not support it anymore afterwards.


I don't see how you could possibly make this assumption. Blu-ray has 90 titles in the top 10,000 HD-DVD has about 100 in the top 10,000. Not much difference, sorry.

Blu-ray keeps rising and is obviously closing the gap very quickly with HD-DVD.


You've got some serious wishful thinking going on. I am sorry if you chose the wrong format (HD-DVD), but it is never to late to add a blu-ray player :)

I don't see how you could possibly make this assumption. Blu-ray has 90 titles in the top 10,000 HD-DVD has about 100 in the top 10,000. Not much difference, sorry.

Blu-ray keeps rising and is obviously closing the gap very quickly with HD-DVD.


You've got some serious wishful thinking going on. I am sorry if you chose the wrong format (HD-DVD), but it is never to late to add a blu-ray player :)

You failed to say where those disks are located by standing in the top 10,000 didn't you.

BR has what, six companies making players now vrs one for HD DVD. They have more studios signed up. Please explain to me why we are even having a discussion about HD DVD vrs BR. Shouldn't BR have been destroying HD DVD for several months now?

I have yet to hear a clear reason for this from the BR side, other than BR fan talk that is.

For end of the year it looks to me like the approximate numbers will be somewhere around 700,000-800,000 PS3s for the US, under 100,000 Blu-ray standalone players, close to 100,000 standalone HD DVD players and close to 200,000 XBOX360 add-ons. If 15% of the PS3s were used for watching Blu-ray movies at the moment, then that would still have HD DVD ahead in number of players being used for HD movies.

That is what makes it so absurd. Blu-ray has several major CE's, several exclusive studios, the PS3, and a behemouth advertising budget, and yet they have not managed to sell enough players, generate enough interest, and/or sell enough titles to be ahead of HD DVD at this point. It is unfathomable that they need to skew their advantage substantially more than it already is. And the supporters, rather than being irked by this and questioning it, just want more and more and more of all these advantages. Just why the heck can't Blu-ray prevail with an even playing field or just a slight advantage? Why do they need to bring a cannon to a spitball fight?

That is what makes it so absurd. Blu-ray has several major CE's, several exclusive studios, the PS3, and a behemouth advertising budget, and yet they have not managed to sell enough players, generate enough interest, and/or sell enough titles to be ahead of HD DVD at this point. It is unfathomable that they need to skew their advantage substantially more than it already is. And the supporters, rather than being irked by this and questioning it, just want more and more and more of all these advantages. Just why the heck can't Blu-ray prevail with an even playing field or just a slight advantage? Why do they need to bring a cannon to a spitball fight?

the advantages of releasing first and selling your players at cost.

1. Earth to Canuck, more players are available on Blu-ray now than HD-DVD.

2. Earth to Canuck, the best looking titles lately on Blu-ray are MPEG-2. MPEG-2 does not equal horrible PQ.

3. Earth to Canuck, BD-50's ARE out.

4. Earth to Canuck, BD sales are significantly up since the PS3 has been released.

5. Earth to Canuck, all Blu-ray players are not still $1000.

I guess you answered my question though... when the HD-DVD fanboys lose talking points and keep moving the goalposts but run out of new positions to take, they'll just go into denial. So I hope this forum braces for it the next couple months.
Ehem...

1. Logic to the yoyo, the majority of PS3 owners buy it for games, and this "more players available" is still not translating into better-than-HD DVD sales.

2. Logic to the yoyo, MPEG2 does not equal "horrible" PQ, but the has-been codec does equal the need for more space, or the need to reduce extras.

3. Logic to the yoyo, BD50's are still a marketing gimmick that, at best, are only managing to equal the quality of HD DVD, not surpass it.

4. Logic to the yoyo, BD sales significantly up are still not equaling HD DVD.

5. Logic to the yoyo, Blu-Ray players are still more expensive than HD DVD. The HD-A2 is being sold for as low as $399, and I only paid $175 for an HD DVD drive for my HTPC.

When the Blu-Ray fanboys lose talking points and keep moving the imaginary goalposts and ignore the real goalposts, they'll just go into denial. So I hope this forum braces for it the next couple months. :p

For those people who are tire of reading or writing the same thing over and over again from both sides, here is a brief break.

Dakota tribal wisdom says that when you discover you are riding a dead
horse, the best strategy is to dismount. However, in business we often
try other strategies with dead horses, including the following:

1. Buying a stronger whip.
2. Changing riders.
3. Saying things like "This is the way we always have ridden this horse."
4. Appointing a committee to study the horse.
5. Arranging to visit other sites to see how they ride dead horses.
6. Increasing the standards to ride dead horses.
7. Appointing a tiger team to revive the dead horse.
8. Creating a training session to increase our riding ability.
9. Comparing the state of dead horses in today's environment.
10. Change the requirements declaring that "This horse is not dead."
11. Hire contractors to ride the dead horse.
12. Harnessing several dead horses together for increased speed.
13. Declaring that "No horse is too dead to beat."
14. Providing additional funding to increase the horse's performance.
15. Do an outsourcing study to see if contractors can ride it cheaper.
16. Purchase a product to make dead horses run faster.
17. Declare the horse is "better, faster and cheaper" dead.
18. Form a quality circle to find uses for dead horses.
19. Revisit the performance requirements for horses.
20. Say this horse was procured with cost as an independent variable.
21. Promote the dead horse to a supervisory position.

Now let's return to whipping the dead horse.

Now let's return to whipping the dead horse.

ok.

We are now more than a month after the PS3 launch. Inventory constraints considered, the huge sales spike and surge above HD DVD has not materialized. The only thing that has really closed is the number of titles announced and that has been a strategic decision by the HD DVD promo group to hold off until CES next week.The "HD DVD promo group" (meaning the studios, since they are the only ones who release titles) agreeing to hold off announcements would be a serious anti-trust violation. Universal could unilaterally choose to do so, but it's unlikely the studios consorted on a strategy (especially since two of the three are format-neutral).

and the surge continues !!!

salesrank of top 10 just hit its highest ever, looks to me like PS3 owners are continuing to support blu-ray
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/7366/salesrank11recent30mk4.jpg (http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=salesrank11recent30mk4.jpg)

blu-ray also has more in the top 1000 today than it has EVER had since the format was introduced, and only 3 titles behind HD-DVD, something that could change overnight!
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2697/top100011recent30bg5.jpg (http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=top100011recent30bg5.jpg)



happy new year.

and the surge continues !!!

salesrank of top 10 just hit its highest ever, looks to me like PS3 owners are continuing to support blu-ray
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/7366/salesrank11recent30mk4.jpg (http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=salesrank11recent30mk4.jpg)

blu-ray also has more in the top 1000 today than it has EVER had since the format was introduced, and only 3 titles behind HD-DVD, something that could change overnight!
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2697/top100011recent30bg5.jpg (http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=top100011recent30bg5.jpg)



happy new year.

Not to rain on your parade or anything, but the top 5 HD-DVDs are still ranked above the top Blu-ray disc. I doubt that's going to change overnight.

Chris

HD-DVD needs some new titles big time to bring up that sagging sales line...

Greg

Ehem...

1. Logic to the yoyo, the majority of PS3 owners buy it for games, and this "more players available" is still not translating into better-than-HD DVD sales.

2. Logic to the yoyo, MPEG2 does not equal "horrible" PQ, but the has-been codec does equal the need for more space, or the need to reduce extras.

3. Logic to the yoyo, BD50's are still a marketing gimmick that, at best, are only managing to equal the quality of HD DVD, not surpass it.

4. Logic to the yoyo, BD sales significantly up are still not equaling HD DVD.

5. Logic to the yoyo, Blu-Ray players are still more expensive than HD DVD. The HD-A2 is being sold for as low as $399, and I only paid $175 for an HD DVD drive for my HTPC.

When the Blu-Ray fanboys lose talking points and keep moving the imaginary goalposts and ignore the real goalposts, they'll just go into denial. So I hope this forum braces for it the next couple months. :p

Talk about spin, the whole point of my post was that Canuck was wrong because he asserted that there were less Blu-ray players, MPEG-2=bad PQ, BD-50's were NOT even out, BD sales had NOT improved since the release of the PS3, and that ALL BD players were still $1000. You clearly missed the point.
Logic to MidnightWatcher: NONE of these things are true and what is sad is you defended these lies and gave it your own spin! I take it you agree that there are more HD-DVD brands making players, that MPEG-2=bad PQ, BD-50's are NOT OUT YET, BD sales have NOT gone up since the PS3 was released, and ALL BD players are still $1000? LOL.

and the surge continues !!!

salesrank of top 10 just hit its highest ever, looks to me like PS3 owners are continuing to support blu-ray
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/7366/salesrank11recent30mk4.jpg (http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=salesrank11recent30mk4.jpg)

blu-ray also has more in the top 1000 today than it has EVER had since the format was introduced, and only 3 titles behind HD-DVD, something that could change overnight!
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2697/top100011recent30bg5.jpg (http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=top100011recent30bg5.jpg)



happy new year.

I predict that BD will permanantly surpass HD-DVD sales on Amazon within the next two weeks. The trend line is crystal clear. I wonder how much longer we'll have to hear from guy's like MidnightWatcher that "consumer's overwhelmingly favor HD-DVD" when BD will actually have better sales! Should be fun to witness.

Seriously go away and take that fanboy sig with you.
Quoted for irony.

Quoted for irony.

The HD-DVD fanboys are desperate folks. Now the only thing they can do is attack the posters and make up quotes not even in the posts! They see the writing on the wall. We are witnessing desperation as probably their most annoying talking point is crumbling right before their very eyes.

http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/graphs/salesrank-1-1-recent30.jpg

Quoted for irony.

The HD-DVD fanboys are desperate folks. Now the only thing they can do is attack the posters. They see the writing on the wall.
Yoyo you make this too easy; again how ironic that you of all people would talk about attacking posters, take 20 seconds and search through your own post history, again, oy the irony.

And nah I'm not going anywhere, too much entertainment value in seeing a bunch of people who don't even know each other attack one another over chunks of plastic. Carry on.

Yoyo you make this too easy; again how ironic that you of all people would talk about attacking posters, take 20 seconds and search through your own post history, again, oy the irony.

And nah I'm not going anywhere, too much entertainment value in seeing a bunch of people who don't even know each other attack one another over chunks of plastic. Carry on.

Maybe I'm missing it but I don't see anything about Blu-ray in your last two posts. Oh my the irony of you, the person who just made two posts with the 100% intention of attacking someone is lecturing people about "attacking others." LOL. Did you also miss the fact that your "Quoted for irony" attack post makes no sense because the quote isn't even there? Do you have ANYTHING to say about TheDVDWars or sales or are you just in here to break forum rules?

Maybe I'm missing it but I don't see anything about Blu-ray in your last two posts. Oh my the irony of you, the person who just made two posts with the 100% intention of attacking someone is lecturing people about "attacking others." LOL. Do you have ANYTHING to say about TheDVDWars or sales or are you just in here to break forum rules?
Ok yoyo I'll play along for a few more minutes, rapidly getting bored though.

Maybe I'm missing it but I don't see anything about Blu-ray in your last two posts.
And do tell; what does telling people to "Seriously go away and take that fanboy sig with you." have to do with Blu-ray? ah yes I see you went back and edited it..

Glass houses, rocks, yada yada.

As for thedvdwars.com I don't know what to say man, its Jan 1st 2007, that site is likely to flip back and forth 10 times between now and next month, are you going to fire up a new thread every time it does so?

And do tell; what does telling people to "Seriously go away and take that fanboy sig with you." have to do with Blu-ray? ah yes I see you went back and edited it..


It has nothing to do with Blu-ray. Hence why as soon as I posted it I took it out immediately. Make sense? You say something, you realize it is an attack, and you edit your post right away so the attack no longer exists? But thanks for bringing it up and waiting a whole 6 minutes to hit your submit button. Nice work.


As for thedvdwars.com I don't know what to say man, its Jan 1st 2007, that site is likely to flip back and forth 10 times between now and next month, are you going to fire up a new thread every time it does so?

Just as I suspected. Nothing to really say... just here to attack others for "attacking" people. Now go away.

It has nothing to do with Blu-ray. Hence why as soon as I posted it I took it out immediately. Make sense? You say something, you realize it is an attack, and you edit your post right away so the attack no longer exists? But thanks for bringing it up and waiting a whole 6 minutes to hit your submit button. Nice work.



Just as I suspected. Nothing to really say... just here to attack others for "attacking" people. Now go away.
Again man, why raise up such a huge fuss on stuff you're doing as well? Suddenly getting the feeling this means way, way, way more to you than it does to me. Enjoy your day yoyo.

Again man, why raise up such a huge fuss on stuff you're doing as well? Suddenly getting the feeling this means way, way, way more to you than it does to me. Enjoy your day yoyo.

I don't know. Why'd you bring it up? I took whatever you quoted out of my post right away. YOU are the one who came in here MERELY to raise a fuss and attack someone, with absolutely nothing to say about Blu-ray at all. Now are you going to leave now or just continue to break forum rules?

Now are you going to leave now or just continue to break forum rules?
Are you asking me if I'm going to leave AVS forum? lol no. Last I checked you are the one who broke the forum rules by attacking Midnightwatcher, get your own ducks in a row first. Tell me yoyo, what do the last 3 or 4 posts of yours have to do with Blu-ray?

Time out enough of the personal attacks. Challange the Info not the poster,