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XxDeadlyxX
04-28-07, 09:07 AM
Slysoft Anydvd HD?
Best. Program. Ever. :p
Slysoft Anydvd HD?
Already have it installed, but most of my testing so far has been with decrypted files on HDD, so I don't think AnyDVD gets involved in those circumstances.
The material I'm playing shouldn't have AACS active, so I don't understand why Cyberlink are so restrictive.
My hunch is that PowerDVD is designed to only work within a protected chain, regardless of whether the source requires it or not. The interesting aspect is that PDVD6.5 works, so it's technically possible to decode and display HD-DVD with a very basic graphics card in an unprotected chain.
Edreamsz
04-28-07, 06:00 PM
Ok, this i don't understand.
I install PowerDVD 7.3, uncheck video acceleratio, open movie on drive (HD-DVD)= Movie plays fine (both windowed and fullscreen)
I then close PowerdDVD, restart PowerDVD, open movie on drive (AGAIN HD-DVD), now i get a full screen with static artifacts.
The only way to fix this isto uninstall PowerDVD and re-install it. BUT if i close PowerDVD and restart it, the problem repeats itself.
Can someone please explain why this is happening?
System specs: Vista, Geforce 9700 GTX, Nvidia 158.18 drivers, Purevideo installed
PowerDVD for Blue Ray & HD-DVD... best program ever. Sorry, I just couldnt help it. Good luck guys..
equivalent
04-29-07, 06:23 AM
Hi Guys, thanks for all the kind info about pdvd, drivers, cards, even mce, it's all been invaluable! re: Killevo's table a few pages back, has anyone got hardware acceleration to work under XP on an AGP card (either Nvidia or Ati)?
barth2k
04-29-07, 11:11 AM
Ok, this i don't understand.
I install PowerDVD 7.3, uncheck video acceleratio, open movie on drive (HD-DVD)= Movie plays fine (both windowed and fullscreen)
I then close PowerdDVD, restart PowerDVD, open movie on drive (AGAIN HD-DVD), now i get a full screen with static artifacts.
The only way to fix this isto uninstall PowerDVD and re-install it. BUT if i close PowerDVD and restart it, the problem repeats itself.
Can someone please explain why this is happening?
System specs: Vista, Geforce 9700 GTX, Nvidia 158.18 drivers, Purevideo installed
my guess: when you chck or uncheck video accel, it does not take effect untl you restart pdvd. that's why it still works before you restart pdvd. you need to go back and check or uncheck video accel, then restart pdvd.
barth2k
04-29-07, 11:30 AM
Already have it installed, but most of my testing so far has been with decrypted files on HDD, so I don't think AnyDVD gets involved in those circumstances.
The material I'm playing shouldn't have AACS active, so I don't understand why Cyberlink are so restrictive.
My hunch is that PowerDVD is designed to only work within a protected chain, regardless of whether the source requires it or not. The interesting aspect is that PDVD6.5 works, so it's technically possible to decode and display HD-DVD with a very basic graphics card in an unprotected chain.
I have a non-hdcp card and pdvd sometimes works and sometimes says non-compliant h/w. (duh, I know, that's why I'm giving you nicely decrypted dvd.) fortunately, I can still use MPC, but I do lose out the menus and stuff.
Aitor Ibarra
04-29-07, 01:08 PM
Just got a 360 HD DVD + King Kong, PowerDVD Ultra 7.3 and AnyDVD HD (trial)...
Can get sound but no video - just a black screen. The menus seem to work, as I managed to start the movie by randomly clicking in the darkness...
My set up:
OS: Vista Ultimate x64
CPU: Opteron 275 (that's dual core, 2.2 Ghz - equiv of an Athlon 4600+)
RAM: 8GB
Graphics: ATI X800 (no HDCP) with Catalyst 7.4 drivers
I run two monitors but have tried running a single monitor over DVI and VGA.
The cyberlink site recommends trying with just the primary screen but that makes no difference. I haven't tried ripping to hard drive yet. I have to use AnyDVD because my monitors and gfx card don't have HDCP.
The cyberlink advisor doesn't recognise my cpu and gives me a red light for Catalyst 7.4.
Ian Fleet
04-29-07, 04:10 PM
Just got a 360 HD DVD + King Kong, PowerDVD Ultra 7.3 and AnyDVD HD (trial)...
Can get sound but no video - just a black screen. The menus seem to work, as I managed to start the movie by randomly clicking in the darkness...
My set up:
OS: Vista Ultimate x64
CPU: Opteron 275 (that's dual core, 2.2 Ghz - equiv of an Athlon 4600+)
RAM: 8GB
Graphics: ATI X800 (no HDCP) with Catalyst 7.4 drivers
I run two monitors but have tried running a single monitor over DVI and VGA.
The cyberlink site recommends trying with just the primary screen but that makes no difference. I haven't tried ripping to hard drive yet. I have to use AnyDVD because my monitors and gfx card don't have HDCP.
The cyberlink advisor doesn't recognise my cpu and gives me a red light for Catalyst 7.4.
That Cyberlink advisor isn't accurate.
You're CPU is fine. I'm running a Athlon 64 4000+ chip overclocked 10% and it's working fine. I'm also using the latest ATI drivers with AnyDVD and I'm getting a picture.
I just checked the 7.4 drivers from ATI with that advisor and it comes up red as well.
Try uninstalling powerdvd, then with the addon plugged in let windows search for the correct driver.
Then you can install powerdvd and anydvd after.
It is your card for some reason you can run PowerDVD 6.5 and AnyHD DVD with a card that is not HDCP compliant but PowerDVD 7.3 and AnyDVD HD will not. However PowerDVD 7.3 with AnyDVD HD will play HD DVD's BD"s with an HDCP compliant card and non HDCP compliant display.
So you will either need to upgrade your card which I recommend because PowerDVD 6.5 is buggy or just get your hands on PowerDVD 6.5 and try it first and see.
Aitor Ibarra
04-29-07, 04:31 PM
Ian, thanks, I'll give that a go. Although that's more or less the order I went in...
...plugged in hd dvd drive - vista has built in driver and installed it. Could browse contents of hd dvd
...bought, downloaded and installed PowerDVD ultra. Errored on play, I assume because of my gfx card not being hdcp
...downloaded trial of anydvdhd. Seemed to be working fine, ran PowerDVD, no error this time, sound, but no video.
Socio, if that's a known issue then I guess I'm screwed until I change the graphics card. Shame, as otherwise I'm very happy with it. If I buy anything now it's going to be something that will go into the HTPC that I will build eventually. At home I've got an HDCP compliant TV, but I'm not about to lug my workstation over there just now!
I get sound + no video with PDVD 7.3 / KK with all XP drivers on my 8800gts except latest 158.18 drivers, which work fine. But it has always worked on Vista ultimate X32. You might want to try different drivers and/or turning hardware acceleration on and off, before getting another card.
Just got a 360 HD DVD + King Kong, PowerDVD Ultra 7.3 and AnyDVD HD (trial)...
Can get sound but no video - just a black screen. The menus seem to work, as I managed to start the movie by randomly clicking in the darkness...
My set up:
OS: Vista Ultimate x64
CPU: Opteron 275 (that's dual core, 2.2 Ghz - equiv of an Athlon 4600+)
RAM: 8GB
Graphics: ATI X800 (no HDCP) with Catalyst 7.4 drivers
I run two monitors but have tried running a single monitor over DVI and VGA.
The cyberlink site recommends trying with just the primary screen but that makes no difference. I haven't tried ripping to hard drive yet. I have to use AnyDVD because my monitors and gfx card don't have HDCP.
The cyberlink advisor doesn't recognise my cpu and gives me a red light for Catalyst 7.4.
I am wondering if this will work in Vista x86 instead. For Windows XP x64, PowerDVD and the advisor will not initialize an HDCP chain regardless of what is being used (advisor reports red on the drivers). In Windows XP x86 the same drivers report green. It has been like this for the last three Catalyst releases at least.
Also there are at least 3 versions of PowerDVD Ultra 7.3. There was the original versions and at least two separate updates exist. Also are you using the newest version of the advisor?
I've been waiting for this to work without any weird issues. Once it does, I'll buy an HD-DVD rom and Anydvd.
I am trying to get Hardware Acceleration for HD-DVD content working with PowerDVD 7.3 and an AGP 7600GT card.
Is there still no fix for PureVideo HD + AGP cards?
Does anyone have this working?
can anyone please recommend some good pci express x16 video cards with hdmi output and spdif input
Aitor Ibarra
04-29-07, 10:21 PM
jruser,
everything was downloaded within the last 12 hours or so, although I've only just downloaded the patch to PowerDVD - surprised that they haven;t integrated it to the main download yet! I'm back at home now and PowerDVD won't work via remote desktop, so can't test whether 2605n makes any difference until I'm back at work. x86 isn't an option for me, as I need to run a 64bit OS on this machine (I do a lot of virtualisation and other stuff that requires lots of RAM).
mike greer
04-29-07, 10:37 PM
I'm also interested in a decent video card with HDMI out and SPDIF in so I can run a couple of remote displays using HDMI. I have an eVGA PCI -E SLI Geforce 8800GTS 320MB card that is fine for Video but I need to get audio to a couple of remote displays.
As far as I can see the choices are pretty darn slim at the moment.
For the moment I could use a decent audio card with quality 7.1 analog outputs - any suggestions? I'm specifically looking for a card that I can use to get the uncompressed audio for HD-DVD. Using the onboard 7.1 analog outs on my Intel motherboard now but I'm sure there is a sound card that can beat it!
Socio, if that's a known issue then I guess I'm screwed until I change the graphics card. Shame, as otherwise I'm very happy with it. If I buy anything now it's going to be something that will go into the HTPC that I will build eventually. At home I've got an HDCP compliant TV, but I'm not about to lug my workstation over there just now!
I can second that it's an issue with PowerDVD 7.x and basic ATI cards as I get similar issues with an ATI X300.
There is obviously good reason why Cyberlink do not recommend less than ATI X1600 (ie PowerDVD prevents use of anything less, even if it is technically capable of decoding).
PowerDVD 6.5 works fine, but has issues with a number of titles: I'm sure it is something about the menuing. Interestingly Harry Potter GOF works excellently with full menu access, so I wish all titles had been authored in a similar way. King Kong I can't get to work at all.
If you extract a title to HDD and modify the .xpl file to only leave the main feature and the desired audio track, then PowerDVD 6.5 seems to play most things, but this is of course frowned upon.
I like how PowerDVD 6.5 even handles TrueHD audio.
Why not try PowerDVD 6.5 and get a feel for how HD-DVD looks and sounds: you can update to 7.x along with a video card later?
I'm also interested in a decent video card with HDMI out and SPDIF in so I can run a couple of remote displays using HDMI. I have an eVGA PCI -E SLI Geforce 8800GTS 320MB card that is fine for Video but I need to get audio to a couple of remote displays.
As far as I can see the choices are pretty darn slim at the moment.
If you don't mind going backwards, there seem to be a few reference design ATI X1600 Pro HDMI LP cards floating around which have SPDIF in, HDMI out and VGA. The card itself is Low Profile, but the bracket isn't. Powercolor do one and I think maybe ASUS, but they look so similar they must all be based on the same reference design.
Aitor Ibarra
04-30-07, 05:51 AM
IanD,
are there any legitimate ways to get hold of PowerDVD 6.5? Very annoying if they've hard coded x1600 as a minimum, especially as King Kong is a VC-1 title so I it gets little if any hardware assist from Avivo (although the player recognises that it's running on an ATI avivo equipped machine).
As for buying a new card, I think I will wait to see what the new ATI cards are like - if they truly have support for hi-def audio over HDMI and do well in the HQV tests they may be a better bet for an HTPC the new Nvidia 8500/8600 series.
cheers,
Aitor
IanD,
are there any legitimate ways to get hold of PowerDVD 6.5? Very annoying if they've hard coded x1600 as a minimum, especially as King Kong is a VC-1 title so I it gets little if any hardware assist from Avivo (although the player recognises that it's running on an ATI avivo equipped machine).
Hard coded?
I can run PowerDVD HD DVD's on my IBM notebook with an ATI FireGL and it is not on the supported list.
- Rich
Aitor Ibarra
04-30-07, 09:25 AM
I've taken AnyDVD out of the equation by uninstalling it and running the PC with just one monitor over VGA. I still get the same issue, audio but no video. I've tried installing older versions of Catalyst but I'm not convinced that the ATI installer is working properly - Cyberlink Advisor still sees the same driver version 8.351.0.0 - perhaps I need to fully uninstall Catalyst before installing an older version.
RichB - what version of Catalyst are you running with your FireGL?
RichB - what version of Catalyst are you running with your FireGL?
I will have to check later. It is not a driver released by ATI, they would not support it directly. I had to get an updated driver from Lenovo to get it working. Before that I got a black screen.
- Rich
I need to fully uninstall Catalyst before installing an older version.
You should be doing this always, even if you install newer version. I bet that 80% of people's problems in this thread are caused by not following this simple rule.
If you don't mind going backwards, there seem to be a few reference design ATI X1600 Pro HDMI LP cards floating around which have SPDIF in, HDMI out and VGA. The card itself is Low Profile, but the bracket isn't. Powercolor do one and I think maybe ASUS, but they look so similar they must all be based on the same reference design.
thank you for the response IanD
are there any reasons why there are so few video cards with hdmi out and spdif in
are there any future reasons to expect more video cards with hdmi out and spdif in
sigma957
04-30-07, 03:03 PM
perhaps I need to fully uninstall Catalyst before installing an older version.When installing a new version of the Catalyst drivers, always do the following:
1) Run the ATI uninstall utility and uninstall everything. Reboot when asked.
2) Run Driver Cleaner Pro (available from guru3d.com) and clean all ATI files from your computer. Reboot.
3) Install the new catalyst version.
I'm not sure how PowerDVD determines the display driver version, but I had a problem a while back with it picking up an old version number. Following the steps above solved that problem.
just found a forum discussing hdmi video cards check it out:
http://www.htpcnews.com/forums/index.php?showforum=7
Aitor Ibarra
04-30-07, 05:07 PM
sigma957,
thanks for your post. I've now tried Catalyst 7.2, 7.3 and 7.4, all with same result (red light on driver in Cyberlink Advisor, audio but no video in Power DVD 7.3). I think I'm going to give up for now!
The Advisor seems pretty good at getting the version number - it picked up each change, even when I was using the basic WDDM driver that ships with Vista. I wish I knew why it was rejecting it!
Hard coded?
I can run PowerDVD HD DVD's on my IBM notebook with an ATI FireGL and it is not on the supported list.
I expect the notebook display is intimately connected to the FireGL card and PowerDVD consider this a fully protected digital path: consequently PowerDVD is happy to play HD-DVD.
I think the situation is different with a graphics card with external digital outputs: PowerDVD seems to ensure that path is protected via HDCP before allowing playback. An X1600 may be the lowest class of card supporting HDCP.
sigma957,
thanks for your post. I've now tried Catalyst 7.2, 7.3 and 7.4, all with same result (red light on driver in Cyberlink Advisor, audio but no video in Power DVD 7.3). I think I'm going to give up for now!
The Advisor seems pretty good at getting the version number - it picked up each change, even when I was using the basic WDDM driver that ships with Vista. I wish I knew why it was rejecting it!
The problem is that PowerDVD wants HDCP on the digital output of the graphics card, even if you are only using VGA (unless the digital output is hard connected to a display, such as in a notebook) to ensure protection of the pristine digital output from copying.
Your X800 (and my X300) does not have HDCP and therefore does not meet PowerDVD minimum specification to grant playback permission.
I believe that is the theory, although PowerDVD 6.5 is a lot less demanding in that respect (but Cyberlink seem to have tightened things up with PowerDVD 7.x).
I expect an X1600 is the minimum class of graphics card which supports HDCP and so may be why Cyberlink specified that as the minimum in their recommended list. I'm not sure if PowerDVD checks specifically for HDCP compliance or takes the easy way out and only grants playback for better than a particular class of GPU.
I've just tested a Gigabyte 8500GT, which has HDCP, and PowerDVD 7.3 does work. Unfortunately HD-DVD playback seems broken in that CPU utilisation is near 100% for a C2D 2.4GHz system and that doesn't sound right.
Aitor Ibarra
05-02-07, 07:11 AM
Ironically, when I built my workstation (about 18 months ago now), I specifically bought the X800 because ATI advertised it as HDCP ready (I even checked this with their support before buying). Of course, it turned out that just because the X800 design was capable of supporting HDCP, it didn't mean that a card would have it enabled, and I think at the time HDCP required a special chip to store the device key, these were in short supply, and no manufacturer of the X800 was actually putting them on the card. HDCP ready != HDCP enabled, apparenyly. ATI corrected their descriptions at some point, and I read that someone had filed a class action against them, but nothing seems to have happened since.
Maybe cyberlink are checking for presence of HDCP support rather than model number; they don't list the new 8500 and 8600 cards from Nvidia as supported yet PowerDVD is working with these cards. (maybe your high cpu% is due to the nvidia not providing any help for VC-1, but even so, that's a high utilisation)
It seems silly for powerdvd to give me blank video rather than an error message; if I try to play the disk over a DVI connection (which would be against the rules) I get an error message. Maybe different developers are responsible for eac type of check, they never talk to each other, and they don't actually understand the rules...
I've raised a support ticket with cyberlink...
eskimo2176
05-02-07, 07:23 AM
The problem is that PowerDVD wants HDCP on the digital output of the graphics card, even if you are only using VGA (unless the digital output is hard connected to a display, such as in a notebook) to ensure protection of the pristine digital output from copying.
Your X800 (and my X300) does not have HDCP and therefore does not meet PowerDVD minimum specification to grant playback permission.
I believe that is the theory, although PowerDVD 6.5 is a lot less demanding in that respect (but Cyberlink seem to have tightened things up with PowerDVD 7.x).
I expect an X1600 is the minimum class of graphics card which supports HDCP and so may be why Cyberlink specified that as the minimum in their recommended list. I'm not sure if PowerDVD checks specifically for HDCP compliance or takes the easy way out and only grants playback for better than a particular class of GPU.
I've just tested a Gigabyte 8500GT, which has HDCP, and PowerDVD 7.3 does work. Unfortunately HD-DVD playback seems broken in that CPU utilisation is near 100% for a C2D 2.4GHz system and that doesn't sound right.
Something sounds borked with your system. I have a nearly identical set up here and I am getting in the 10-20% range maximum with VC-1. This is the first time I have been able to get powerdvd running with no stutter, no problems.
Something sounds borked with your system. I have a nearly identical set up here and I am getting in the 10-20% range maximum with VC-1. This is the first time I have been able to get powerdvd running with no stutter, no problems.
But what is broken and how do I determine that?
Are you using XP or Vista?
If my system is broken, it doesn't explain the 100% disparity in CPU usage between a 8500GT and X300 when playing back the same VC-1 material via software decode on the same setup: I would have expected both cards to react the same since they are simply displaying the output from PowerDVD.
Alpha10
05-02-07, 09:28 AM
The problem is that PowerDVD wants HDCP on the digital output of the graphics card, even if you are only using VGA (unless the digital output is hard connected to a display, such as in a notebook) to ensure protection of the pristine digital output from copying.
Your X800 (and my X300) does not have HDCP and therefore does not meet PowerDVD minimum specification to grant playback permission.
I believe that is the theory, although PowerDVD 6.5 is a lot less demanding in that respect (but Cyberlink seem to have tightened things up with PowerDVD 7.x).
I expect an X1600 is the minimum class of graphics card which supports HDCP and so may be why Cyberlink specified that as the minimum in their recommended list. I'm not sure if PowerDVD checks specifically for HDCP compliance or takes the easy way out and only grants playback for better than a particular class of GPU.
I've just tested a Gigabyte 8500GT, which has HDCP, and PowerDVD 7.3 does work. Unfortunately HD-DVD playback seems broken in that CPU utilisation is near 100% for a C2D 2.4GHz system and that doesn't sound right.
If you are using VGA, with nothing connected to the digital output, it should work, regardless of being HDCP ready or not.
My old card and X1600 wasn't HDCP and the VGA worked fine.
Cheers
Edreamsz
05-02-07, 10:24 AM
""Ok, this i don't understand.
I install PowerDVD 7.3, uncheck video acceleratio, open movie on drive (HD-DVD)= Movie plays fine (both windowed and fullscreen)
I then close PowerdDVD, restart PowerDVD, open movie on drive (AGAIN HD-DVD), now i get a full screen with static artifacts.
The only way to fix this isto uninstall PowerDVD and re-install it. BUT if i close PowerDVD and restart it, the problem repeats itself.
System specs: Vista, Geforce 9700 GTX, Nvidia 158.18 drivers, Purevideo installed ""
This keeps happening. Every time I restart my computer. (hardware acceleration unchecked). The hd-dvd files play after computer restart. But if I close and restart Powerdvd I get a static screen (hardware accel unchecked) or green screen (hardware accel checked)
?
But what is broken and how do I determine that?
Are you using XP or Vista?
What are you using? Everything is almost perfect for me after I changed the 7950GT with 8500GT in Vista 32 bit. AVC is below 20, VC1 below 40 CPU. 2.4 Ghz E6600.
""Ok, this i don't understand.
I install PowerDVD 7.3, uncheck video acceleratio, open movie on drive (HD-DVD)= Movie plays fine (both windowed and fullscreen)
I then close PowerdDVD, restart PowerDVD, open movie on drive (AGAIN HD-DVD), now i get a full screen with static artifacts.
The only way to fix this isto uninstall PowerDVD and re-install it. BUT if i close PowerDVD and restart it, the problem repeats itself.
System specs: Vista, Geforce 9700 GTX, Nvidia 158.18 drivers, Purevideo installed ""
This keeps happening. Every time I restart my computer. (hardware acceleration unchecked). The hd-dvd files play after computer restart. But if I close and restart Powerdvd I get a static screen (hardware accel unchecked) or green screen (hardware accel checked)
?
Have you tried just closing PowerDVD and re-starting it AFTER you get the full screen with static artifacts? I used to have that problem on my HTPC and Samsung LN-s4695 HDTV before I did a firmware upgrade on the TV. When I closed the program and re-started it, it would ALWAYS play just fine from then on. Just my $0.02....
jared701
05-02-07, 07:34 PM
I get sound + no video with PDVD 7.3 / KK with all XP drivers on my 8800gts except latest 158.18 drivers, which work fine. But it has always worked on Vista ultimate X32. You might want to try different drivers and/or turning hardware acceleration on and off, before getting another card.
Going to try this after I get off work. If this driver works you are my hero :D
I get no video on KK, you me and dupree and troy.
If you are using VGA, with nothing connected to the digital output, it should work, regardless of being HDCP ready or not.
My old card and X1600 wasn't HDCP and the VGA worked fine.
PowerDVD 7.3 should work if just using VGA, but it doesn't with an X300 (or I believe X800). Cyberlink are definitely filtering out certain cards from operation.
Adam12Hicks
05-02-07, 09:06 PM
Edreamsz... you're running PureVideo with Vista? Did something change that I missed? PureVideo wasn't supported under Vista last time I checked. I purchased it from Nvidia's store a few weeks before upgrading to Vista :(
I do have PowerDVD 7.3 Ultra playing HD-DVDs from the 360 drive like a champ. The patch on Cyberlink's site is crucial.
Adam
Micromain
05-02-07, 10:02 PM
Edreamsz... you're running PureVideo with Vista? Did something change that I missed? PureVideo wasn't supported under Vista last time I checked. I purchased it from Nvidia's store a few weeks before upgrading to Vista :(
I do have PowerDVD 7.3 Ultra playing HD-DVDs from the 360 drive like a champ. The patch on Cyberlink's site is crucial.
Adam
Purevideo HD support was introduced in the 158.18 Vista drivers.
are there any reasons why there are so few video cards with hdmi out and spdif in
are there any future reasons to expect more video cards with hdmi out and spdif in
hello all you enlightened PowerDVD Ultra people could you be so kind as to answer my questions?????
jared701
05-03-07, 03:27 AM
I'm playing around with this product and found how to switch the audio. Now my question is when I turn on show information and switch the audio to true hd it lists it as MLP 2.0. Is that true hd? It does have a much higher bitrate than the other formats, the name just threw me off.
davidluke
05-03-07, 06:46 AM
I'm using the following setup, i know it's crap but it does meet all the terms of the cyberlink advisor (bar the disc drive which i don't yet have):
- Northwood P4 3.4
- ATI Radeon X1600 PRO 512 (catalyst 7.4)
- PowerDVD 7.3
- Analog D-SUB to 1366*768 tele to avoid HDCP nags.
I haven't bought the X-box drive yet, so I'm trying to play a couple of .evo files I've downloaded. One is VC1 at 25 megabits per sec, the other is H.264 at 7 megabits per sec
After some fiddling about (considerable) and ending up using the analog DSUB connection, I'm playing back these files in PowerDVD 7.3.
Hardware acceleration (AVIVO) is working well on the H.264 clip, with CPU utilization down to about 50 percent (lovely!)
but when playing the VC1 clip the checkbox in PowerDVD is unchecked, and the playback is crappy, cpu is cooking at near 100 percent, no H/W acceleration
This worries me, as since most HD-DVDs are VC1 and my setup can't hack it, yet it seems good on the technically more demanding H.264 clip.
Any ideas on what is going wrong here. Is it my total horsepower or something else....
I have assembled about 3 dozen HTPCs these past couple of months and I found out that the minimum CPU you need to playback these HD optical formats are dual core cpu's, AMD or Intel. For GPU it will be ATI's X1950 Pro and Nvidia's 7600GT. To me thats the minimum requirement.
Its very important that your CPU usage hovers around closer to 50% intead of 100%. This way you don't lose frames and its stutter free during playback.
davidluke
05-03-07, 08:05 AM
Thanks for your frank advice. I agree that your "minium" is the minumum required to do the job properly, rather than cyberlink's "minimum" which is actually below borderline in some cases.
When you say dual core, will a pentium d 3.4 be sufficient, or would core2 duo be recommened?
Core2 Duo of course. More efficient, low power consumption and runs much, much cooler.
Perfect for HTPCs.
Check this project I did:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=772580
Micromain
05-03-07, 10:46 AM
hello all you enlightened PowerDVD Ultra people could you be so kind as to answer my questions?????
I'm not sure why someone actually has to state this, but the answer is simple -- supply and demand.
When more people begin buying HDMI video cards with S/PDIF in, or more OEMs build systems with that feature, more will be made available for the market.
dthigpen
05-03-07, 10:57 AM
HDMI with SPDIF in isn't really the answer for these formats. As much as I hate to say it, a graphics/audio hybrid card with HDMI out is. Unless they develop a standardized bridge between graphics and audio cards that can carry 7.1 uncompressed channels of audio (SPDIF can't) and all the manufacturers adopt it.
klillevo
05-03-07, 12:03 PM
It seems GPU acceleration will never work reliably. At work I finally got the very latest NVIDIA 8600 GTS card. I thought, finally maybe I can see a proof of existence of this so called GPU acceleration in action.
Alas, the checkbox is grayed out and unchecked for VC-1. I do not have H.264 content here, but considering its complexity over VC-1 there is hardly any reason to expect anything better there.
It no longer matters though, the system is more than fast enough to play without assistance from the GPU. It seems this is what will be required for PC playback. ATI and NVIDIA should just stop wasting their resources trying to get GPU acceleration to work, but first and foremost stop their misleading marketing.
[yes, I am sure it works for some people with some cards. I have tried 4 cards myself, two from ATI, two from NVIDIA, all marketed to support GPU acceleration for VC-1 and H.264. None has done anything useful so far]
Reliably - I don't know, but GPU acceleration has always worked, and that is especially true with the 85xx/86xx series. What you are saying is just wrong.
Sometimes it's simple things we forget, like not knowing that it is impossible to check/uncheck HW accelleration in PDVD while anything is playing. Or forget that we have dual display configuration. Or not removing old drivers as described many times in this thread, believing that since the install of the new drivers has finished successfully, there's no trace from the old. Or not knowing that Purevideo HD is for now only possible under Vista, etc., etc.
klillevo
05-03-07, 12:28 PM
ditcho: none of the above is applicable in my case.
On Windows XP, with the NVIDIA 8600 GTS, with the latest Cyberlink PowerDVD, the latest drivers from NVIDIA, VC-1 GPU acceleration does not work on my system.
Then perhaps it's time to put the blame on the piece of hardware you've never doubted, like the motherboard. Also, keep in mind that VC1 acceleration is not as great - brings only around 10-15% CPU usage reduction with E6600 in Vista, but it is there. With H.264 the relief is up to 90% in the case of very high bitrate 1080i H.264 video.
Does anyone have specific information related to the Geforce 7950GT's under XP? I am using a single core 3.2GHz Intel PIV.
klillevo
05-03-07, 12:52 PM
ditcho: My experience is based on three different computers, four different video cards. In one case, the 7600GT (AGP), where VC-1 accel crashed, I filed a bug report with Cyberlink, which they confirmed and reproduced in their lab.
I am really glad to hear it works for you though, and I am happy I now have access to a system that is more than fast enough to play both codecs all in software.
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arfster
05-03-07, 02:02 PM
Three different PCs here, running xp and Vista:
6600GT: VC1/MPEG2 acceleration worked, h264 acceleration did nothing.
7300GS: all worked, but h264 was a bit stuttery and only made a small difference anyway, so worthless.
7300GT (o/ced to 7600GS equivalent): same, lot less h264 stutter, halved h264 CPU hit. VC1 garbled with >100.xx drivers
7600GT: same as 7300GT (not surprising, it's the same gpu).
8500GT: perfect acceleration on all three
The 8500GT is the first card I've had that actually does what NVidia advertise. Not only that, but it does perfect IVTC for 1080i MPEG2, superlative scaling, and complete h264 gpu offload.
I am having a problem with Mpeg2 TS files under powerdvd 7.3 ultra. even though hardware acceleration works for 1080p Mpeg4 AVC files it doesn't work for mpeg2. When i play an mpeg2 file my video accelerator is not in use. Using latest nvidia drivers as of today 158.24 for vista 32-bit. I uinstalled ffdshow kai klitecodek pack but to no change. Can anyone help me please? Thanks
PapaSloth
05-03-07, 07:17 PM
Any ideas people?
Yes, I think it would be great if someone would make a hushbox that fit over a person's head, so that my wife could eat chips while we're watching a movie and the *crunch* *crunch* *crunch* would be less distracting.
eskimo2176
05-03-07, 07:25 PM
Three different PCs here, running xp and Vista:
6600GT: VC1/MPEG2 acceleration worked, h264 acceleration did nothing.
7300GS: all worked, but h264 was a bit stuttery and only made a small difference anyway, so worthless.
7300GT (o/ced to 7600GS equivalent): same, lot less h264 stutter, halved h264 CPU hit. VC1 garbled with >100.xx drivers
7600GT: same as 7300GT (not surprising, it's the same gpu).
8500GT: perfect acceleration on all three
The 8500GT is the first card I've had that actually does what NVidia advertise. Not only that, but it does perfect IVTC for 1080i MPEG2, superlative scaling, and complete h264 gpu offload.
Same here arf... It's the first card I've had that does all of this under Vista. It's a beautiful thing. HD DVD is playing perfectly, x264 is playing perfectly... it's gorgeous to behold. :)
Does anyone have any information on the 7950GT's? Its seems like there's good information about the 7300/7600's. 7950's uses a completely different GPU core.
Does anyone have specific information related to the Geforce 7950GT's under XP? I am using a single core 3.2GHz Intel PIV.
pospower
05-03-07, 10:19 PM
Does anyone have any information on the 7950GT's? Its seems like there's good information about the 7300/7600's. 7950's uses a completely different GPU core.
I have a 7950gt and have had little to no issues in xp. I have a X2 4600. I would get away from single core. I had an issue with Heart Live in Seatle but it has been fixed in update. Other than that all run great with Hware excell on or off.
Using Spif out for sound.
Thanks for your GREAT information! I'm guessing this card is currently the best option for AGP users..
Is thie HD-DVD or Blu-Ray?
I have a 7950gt and have had little to no issues in xp. I have a X2 4600. I would get away from single core. I had an issue with Heart Live in Seatle but it has been fixed in update. Other than that all run great with Hware excell on or off.
Using Spif out for sound.
Yes, I think it would be great if someone would make a hushbox that fit over a person's head, so that my wife could eat chips while we're watching a movie and the *crunch* *crunch* *crunch* would be less distracting.
Thanks yeah i li try that.
pospower
05-04-07, 08:26 AM
Thanks for your GREAT information! I'm guessing this card is currently the best option for AGP users..
Is thie HD-DVD or Blu-Ray?
HD-DVD only
I just tried out the Gigabyte 8500GT it is better than my 8800GTS in every respect.
I could never get H.264 hardware acceleration to play without frame drops with the 8800 and it works perfectly on the 8500.
CPU with VC1 and MPEG2 are both the same: <50% and <30%.
CPU with H.264 went from >80% to about 45%.
System power (watts):
8800 Idle: 170
8800 Load: 235
8500 Idle: 101
8500 Load: 135
Obviously, my system is running cooler so it makes less noise now.
This is a fantastic card!!
- Rich
trinitron
05-04-07, 01:28 PM
@Rich
what's the model number for this Gigabyte card ? and what CPU do you have ?
Thanks.
Irish_Comer
05-04-07, 01:55 PM
I just tried out the Gigabyte 8500GT it is better than my 8800GTS in every respect.
I could never get H.264 hardware acceleration to play without frame drops with the 8800 and it works perfectly on the 8500.
CPU with VC1 and MPEG2 are both the same: <50% and <30%.
CPU with H.264 went from >80% to about 45%.
System power (watts):
8800 Idle: 170
8800 Load: 235
8500 Idle: 101
8500 Load: 135
Obviously, my system is running cooler so it makes less noise now.
This is a fantastic card!!
- Rich
Hi Rich
Does this card eliminalte/reduce the banding that earlier Nvidia cards have when viewing HD-DVDs in PowerDVD Ultry? I have a 7900GS and the banding is really the pits.
Edit: I would be using this card with Windows XP
Thanks
C
@Rich
what's the model number for this Gigabyte card ? and what CPU do you have ?
Thanks.
Here is a link to the GIGABYTE GV-NX85T256H GeForce 8500GT 256MB 128-bit GDDR2 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125062)
My CPU is an AMD 4600+.
- Rich
Fatawan
05-05-07, 10:16 AM
PowerDVD Ultra is suprisingly expensive. There appears to be one guy selling a downloadable version on Ebay for cheap. Feedback seems ok. Has anyone gone this route? It would save ~80% on the cost.
He's probably just linking you to the download link that Cyberlink provides you when you purchase the product...You may be able to download it, but it is highly improbable that you would be able to activate it because the activation code will already be in use. Even if you could, it would be illegal to go this route.
zaharia
05-05-07, 08:34 PM
Hoping someone can help with this.
Just put together a PC with the following components.
Motherboard - EVGA 122-CK-NF68-A1 N680i SLI R
Graphics card- EVGA 8600GTS - dual DVI-D
Intel C2D 6600
Memory - PATRIOT 240P PDC22G6400LLK - 2 gig
XBox 360 HD-DVD
2 Dell flat panel monitors 19" and 30" 3007 WFP-HC (dual DVI-D 2560x1600)
Clean install of Windows Vista Ultimate
PowerDVD Ultra 7.3 with update patch from Cyberlink
Motherboard and card are all HDCP compliant
Xbox will play standard DVD's, but soon as I put in a HD-DVD (only have 2 currently - King Kong and Planet Earth) I get the following PowerDVD error when the movie is about to play:" An unexpected error occured. Please reboot your system and try again. (Error Code = 0100) Please run the BD/HD Advisor Tool for more information. I only see a second or 2 of the FBI warning on the disc before this happens.
Did a complete uninstall and reinstall with no change.
I am using the very latest drivers and bios for both the graphics card and motherboard.
Did a little reading about AnyDVD HD and downloaded their trial version. After installing, the HD-DVD's will play on PowerDVD. Why do I need to use AnyDVD to play these 2 HD-DVD's? When AndDVD is on, in its info panel it says it has removed AACS Copy Protection from the disc. Shouldn't they play on PowerDVD Ultra without AnyDVD-HD installed? Seems to me that there are others here that are playing HD-DVDs with just PowerDVD Ultra.
Am I losing anything (pic quality?,etc) by going through AnyDVD as well?
Sorry, if this is a simple or stupid question. This is my first experience with HD-DVD and this software.
Also, wondering how I can tell if my graphics card is sending HDCP over Dual Link DVI and not just single link? It is supposed to be the first card that can do this. Picture looks fantastic on the 30" monitor fullscreen.
Can anyone offer an explanation as to why playback of King Kong HD-DVD using PowerDVD 7.3 and an 8500GT at 1920x1440p72 desktop (VGA) displays aliasing on edges when Video Quality Setting = Normal?
The effect is most obvious in the beginning credits with the large art-deco black font on a light yellow background.
If I set Video Quality = Best, the aliasing completely disappears and PQ looks fantastic, but it maxes my CPU.
I don't understand how aliasing can appear even in Normal quality mode, since at 1920x1440p72 desktop, the GPU isn't having to scale the native 1920x1080p24 source.
I could understand it if Cyberlink are decoding 1920x1080p24 source to 960x540p24 and then scaling back up to 1920x1080p: Normal mode probably uses cheap and nasty scaling, whereas Best mode uses advanced interpolation techniques. But then Cyberlink is not supposed to be down-res'ing is it?
Can anyone offer an explanation as to why playback of King Kong HD-DVD using PowerDVD 7.3 and an 8500GT at 1920x1440p72 desktop (VGA) displays aliasing on edges when Video Quality Setting = Normal?
The effect is most obvious in the beginning credits with the large art-deco black font on a light yellow background.
If I set Video Quality = Best, the aliasing completely disappears and PQ looks fantastic, but it maxes my CPU.
I don't understand how aliasing can appear even in Normal quality mode, since at 1920x1440p72 desktop, the GPU isn't having to scale the native 1920x1080p24 source.
I could understand it if Cyberlink are decoding 1920x1080p24 source to 960x540p24 and then scaling back up to 1920x1080p: Normal mode probably uses cheap and nasty scaling, whereas Best mode uses advanced interpolation techniques. But then Cyberlink is not supposed to be down-res'ing is it?
I cannot be sure, but I saw some stair-stepping with my 8500GT with hardware acceleration on. I fixed it by going into the NVidia control panel and setting the 3D quality to best instead of application controlled. It looks great now. There was no change to CPU usage. All powerDVD settings we left at the default include quality which I have set to Auto.
Give it a try.
- Rich
I cannot be sure, but I saw some stair-stepping with my 8500GT with hardware acceleration on. I fixed it by going into the NVidia control panel and setting the 3D quality to best instead of application controlled. It looks great now. There was no change to CPU usage. All powerDVD settings we left at the default include quality which I have set to Auto.
Thanks for the suggestion. In my case, setting PowerDVD Video Quality to Auto results in 100% CPU, so I'm not sure that changing 3D quality to Best will help with that issue (which is why I changed PowerDVD Video Qulaity to Normal). But I'll try it out when I have the HTPC on next.
It may be part of the issue with XP drivers not implementing Purevideo HD yet.
I'm new to Nvidia and overwhelmed by all the adjustments in the Nvidia Control Panel combined with PowerDVD settings.
Thanks for the suggestion. In my case, setting PowerDVD Video Quality to Auto results in 100% CPU, so I'm not sure that changing 3D quality to Best will help with that issue (which is why I changed PowerDVD Video Qulaity to Normal). But I'll try it out when I have the HTPC on next.
It may be part of the issue with XP drivers not implementing Purevideo HD yet.
I'm new to Nvidia and overwhelmed by all the adjustments in the Nvidia Control Panel combined with PowerDVD settings.
It may be XP, I am running Vista32 Ultimate.
- Rich
It may be XP, I am running Vista32 Ultimate.
- Rich
Rich,
Is HW acceleration working for you on Vista Ultimate 32 bit? I am running the same OS but HW acceleration is broken with the 158.18 drivers (which are SUPPOSED to incorporate Purevideo HD). I get a green screen with neon highlights when the playback starts. I have a 7950 GT card.
Rathbone
05-06-07, 10:46 AM
Any information on NVidia 8500 cards with AGP interface?
skibum5000
05-06-07, 02:41 PM
Rich,
Is HW acceleration working for you on Vista Ultimate 32 bit? I am running the same OS but HW acceleration is broken with the 158.18 drivers (which are SUPPOSED to incorporate Purevideo HD). I get a green screen with neon highlights when the playback starts. I have a 7950 GT card.
7.3 plus 8800 GTS plus 158.18 plus Vista Premium works fine for me with HW accel on (better that way actually for hi-def content). no banding either (should say that sometimes banding is the fault on people's displays and not the source, transfer, gfx card, drivers or playback software, although sometimes it, of course, the fault of one or more of those).
Rich,
Is HW acceleration working for you on Vista Ultimate 32 bit? I am running the same OS but HW acceleration is broken with the 158.18 drivers (which are SUPPOSED to incorporate Purevideo HD). I get a green screen with neon highlights when the playback starts. I have a 7950 GT card.
Works great with the 8500GT in Vista32. It did not work for all titles with my 8800GTs on the same system.
- Rich
billdhk
05-07-07, 01:43 AM
I get the following PowerDVD error when the movie is about to play:" An unexpected error occured. Please reboot your system and try again. (Error Code = 0100) Please run the BD/HD Advisor Tool for more information.
It's too bad Cyberlink can't produce a more meaningful message.
Have you tried running the BD/HD Advisor Tool? The most likley cause is your display being non-HDCP-compliant. I believe your video card should be okay - however check the advisor output.
If it's a compliance issue then you will need to continue to use AnyDVD until you get an HDCP-compliant display/video card.
BTW, I get the same message if I boot with AnyDVD disabled. However in my case I'm using component output which in theory PowerDVD should allowed to play in HD. At this moment I'm not sure if it's due to over-compliance with HD copy-protection (or bug) by Cyberlink, or a bug in my nvidia drivers.
zaharia
05-07-07, 10:25 AM
It's too bad Cyberlink can't produce a more meaningful message.
Have you tried running the BD/HD Advisor Tool? The most likley cause is your display being non-HDCP-compliant. I believe your video card should be okay - however check the advisor output.
If it's a compliance issue then you will need to continue to use AnyDVD until you get an HDCP-compliant display/video card.
BTW, I get the same message if I boot with AnyDVD disabled. However in my case I'm using component output which in theory PowerDVD should allowed to play in HD. At this moment I'm not sure if it's due to over-compliance with HD copy-protection (or bug) by Cyberlink, or a bug in my nvidia drivers.
Yes, the display (Dell 3007WFP-HC) and card (EVGA 8600GTS) are definitely HDCP compliant. I ran the advisor and everything checks out. The only question mark was the graphics card because it came out after the Advisor Tool was released. The advisor says that if it supports Pure Video then it should work. (It does support it) So, maybe there is something that PowerDVD needs to address with the card? Maybe the PowerDVD program needs to have these cards in a database file within the program and I need to wait for an update? (obviously, I don't have a clue here. :D )
billdhk
05-08-07, 06:37 AM
Maybe the PowerDVD program needs to have these cards in a database file within the program and I need to wait for an update?)
Now I'm thinking my problem is similar. The advisor complains about my nvidia driver level however it's already newer than the Forceware revision the advisor recommends. Either the advisor hasn't been told about the newer Forceware releases or they are incorrectly comparing the graphics driver (7.x.x.x) against the Forceware revision (100.68 etc.) . I'm planning to log a support call with Cyberlink.
Three different PCs here, running xp and Vista:
6600GT: VC1/MPEG2 acceleration worked, h264 acceleration did nothing.
7300GS: all worked, but h264 was a bit stuttery and only made a small difference anyway, so worthless.
7300GT (o/ced to 7600GS equivalent): same, lot less h264 stutter, halved h264 CPU hit. VC1 garbled with >100.xx drivers
7600GT: same as 7300GT (not surprising, it's the same gpu).
8500GT: perfect acceleration on all three
The 8500GT is the first card I've had that actually does what NVidia advertise. Not only that, but it does perfect IVTC for 1080i MPEG2, superlative scaling, and complete h264 gpu offload.
Good information. Does it even do deblocking now? You can find a test clip here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=9736750&postcount=831). And does it work with non-HD-DVD/BD compliant streams and non-PDVD software?
Good information. Does it even do deblocking now? You can find a test clip here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=9736750&postcount=831). And does it work with non-HD-DVD/BD compliant streams and non-PDVD software?
I tried this clip. The video looks better than the second photo, which is supposed to show correct deblocking. If this test is conclusive, the answer is yes, it does correct deblocking with HW acceleration. Although, to be honest, I'm not too familiar with the deblocking issues, and have never seen such horrible picture as the one shown on photo number one - with any card/player/driver combination.
The strange thing was that the clip wouldn't play correctly in PowerDVD 7.3 - the video frose on one the first frames and only the sound played. In ZoomPlayer it played very well and it was using PowerDVD 7.x H.264 decoder with the HW acceleration checkbox checked. Another thing that puzzled me was that the CPU jumped to over 80 at the start of the clip and dropped to around 15 1-2 seconds before the end.
Sounds good. I think I want one now. If only the 3d performance was a bit better.
mkerdman
05-09-07, 03:21 AM
Will PowerDVD Ultra 7.3 play HD-DVD (or Blu-Ray) files extracted to a hard drive directory, or, can it only playback HD-DVD and Blu-Ray from discs?
charris
05-09-07, 03:24 AM
Will PowerDVD Ultra 7.3 play HD-DVD (or Blu-Ray) files extracted to a hard drive directory, or, can it only playback HD-DVD and Blu-Ray from discs?
Yes it can do both
mkerdman
05-09-07, 03:28 AM
Yes it can do both
Even those experimental titles floating around the web for download?
candycab
05-09-07, 05:14 AM
This is probably no real help to anyone but, Ive been using WinDVD Platnum Ver 8 to play back HD-DVD image files from a hard drive with no real issues on a P4 Prescott 3.0, MSI 5900XT card via VGA to an Infocus X1a.
So via VGA it looks like any old card will atleast give you some form of playback, how crappy it will be is anyones guess. So far if all Im doing is watching the movie everything is smooth, but gets cruddy if Im running anything in the background and this is with actuall HD-DVD Disc images not a stripped down reencode. Ive watched Superman Returns, The Worlds Fastest Indian and Blue Planet IMAX and all have playedback fine.
Basically im giving this a try before I drop the cash on the 360 drive [ like the friend I got the images from is already doing ] since Im a Netflix user and they are offering HD-DVD rentals now. Anyway Im sure youre mileage will vary in terms of quality but so far this is working acceptibly for me atleast, im not sure if streaming off the 360drive itself will work but if I can get it onto a hard drive I think I will be fine.
looks like its time to upgrade to that sub $1000.00 720P PJ ;)
arfster
05-09-07, 11:46 AM
Good information. Does it even do deblocking now? You can find a test clip here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=9736750&postcount=831). And does it work with non-HD-DVD/BD compliant streams and non-PDVD software?
I tried that clip, and there's no blocking artifacts with dxva on or off - stepping through it frame by frame it never looks as bad as your DXVA on :-)
I can't seem to get the Cyberlink directshow AVC decoder to hardware accelerate though - maybe it's separate, and not yet PV2 compliant. I've long suspected that PDVD doesn't use its own Directshow decoders for BD/HDDVD anyway, so perhaps this makes sense.
I tried that clip, and there's no blocking artifacts with dxva on or off - stepping through it frame by frame it never looks as bad as your DXVA on :-)
I can't seem to get the Cyberlink directshow AVC decoder to hardware accelerate though - maybe it's separate, and not yet PV2 compliant. I've long suspected that PDVD doesn't use its own Directshow decoders for BD/HDDVD anyway, so perhaps this makes sense.
Did you play the clip in PowerDVD? How could you tell the Cyberlink directshow AVC decoder does not hardware accelerate?
arfster
05-09-07, 12:11 PM
Did you play the clip in PowerDVD? How could you tell the Cyberlink directshow AVC decoder does not hardware accelerate?
Yes, in PDVD. There DXVA is clearly working there, because CPU is <10%.
I then used graphedit and turned on/off dxva in the filter properties page, and it makes no difference. The CPU use is also high, 45% or something - I can't remember exactly, and i've deleted the clip now, but it was approx the same as with software decoders like coreavc or ffdshow.
Hmm, so the new nvidia cards are only useful if you use PDVD or WinDVD for playback. I was thinking of getting one and then using Zoom Player/Cyberlink DS/AnyDVD to watch HD-DVD streams. I guess I'll just wait a bit and see what XP drivers, Cyberlink, AMD UVD etc. bring to the table in the coming months.
mkerdman
05-09-07, 01:29 PM
Aside from Media Player Classic & CoreAVC v1.3, and VLC with the K-Lite Codec Pack, I have also used PowerDVD Ultra 7.3 to play R5000 MPEG4 H.264 files.
However, PowerDVD Ultra 7.3 plays only about half my R5000 - MPEG4 H.264 recordings of Dish Network network channels (ABC, NBC, FOX, CBS).
Media Player Classic & CoreAVC v1.3 plays them all, but, PowerDVD Ultra 7.3 has better picture when it works.
Can the presence of the other players and codecs on my system cause PowerDVD Ultra 7.3 to play R5000 MPEG4 H.264 files intermittently?
I posted this over in the nVidia 8500 thread, thought I would post here too. Here is my setup:
AMD Dual Core
1 GByte RAM
nVidia 8500
Sony BluRay drive
Vista Ultimate
PowerDVD Ultra 7.3 (using their latest patch)
All latest drivers as of yesterday (sound and video). All latest Vista patches. There is NO other software loaded on this system.
Playing back Casino Royale BluRay causes the player to semi-hang at different points. Playback is great and then, all of a sudden, the video stops (it's a still image), no audio comes out, but strangely enough, PowerDVD continues to read from the BluRay drive and continues to update its display timers.
Pressing Pause/Play doesn't unstick this situation. Pressing Stop and Play does correct it. That is, until the next hang occurs a few minutes into the movie again.
Here is what I have done to try and isolate the failure:
1.) Completely disabled the onboard audio. No audio drivers load. PowerDVD still works but obviously I get no audio. Still hangs as before.
2.) Upgraded my nVidia 6800 to an nVidia 8500. Brand new card. Both cards exhibit the exact same hang condition.
I am going to try another BluRay title tonight to see if it occurs on it as well. Has anyone else seen such a failure? Is there any known workaround?
skibum5000
05-09-07, 01:49 PM
I posted this over in the nVidia 8500 thread, thought I would post here too. Here is my setup:
AMD Dual Core
1 GByte RAM
nVidia 8500
Sony BluRay drive
Vista Ultimate
PowerDVD Ultra 7.3 (using their latest patch)
All latest drivers as of yesterday (sound and video). All latest Vista patches. There is NO other software loaded on this system.
Playing back Casino Royale BluRay causes the player to semi-hang at different points. Playback is great and then, all of a sudden, the video stops (it's a still image), no audio comes out, but strangely enough, PowerDVD continues to read from the BluRay drive and continues to update its display timers.
Pressing Pause/Play doesn't unstick this situation. Pressing Stop and Play does correct it. That is, until the next hang occurs a few minutes into the movie again.
Here is what I have done to try and isolate the failure:
1.) Completely disabled the onboard audio. No audio drivers load. PowerDVD still works but obviously I get no audio. Still hangs as before.
2.) Upgraded my nVidia 6800 to an nVidia 8500. Brand new card. Both cards exhibit the exact same hang condition.
I am going to try another BluRay title tonight to see if it occurs on it as well. Has anyone else seen such a failure? Is there any known workaround?
i was getting that with discs of all formats, hd dvd, blu-ray, sddvd. nvidia 8800gts,winvista premium, 7.3,latest drivers. at least it only happens avg of maybe once per hour of movie watching and i can quickly get it restarted again.
arfster
05-09-07, 03:26 PM
I then used graphedit and turned on/off dxva in the filter properties page, and it makes no difference. The CPU use is also high, 45% or something - I can't remember exactly, and i've deleted the clip now, but it was approx the same as with software decoders like coreavc or ffdshow.
OK, little update: the Cyberlink directshow codec does dxva for h264 files, only if you use an app that supports EVR (eg WMP11, or MPC beta). Here's a clip playing x-men3:
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9486/wmp11jm4.th.jpg (http://img408.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wmp11jm4.jpg)
Note the average perfmon CPU in the bottom right window: 2.5% for 35mbitAVC :-)
Setup is a C2d@ 2ghz, DS3, Vista32, 8500GT, 158.18.
Gary Lightfoot
05-09-07, 03:33 PM
I used to get a similar problem with PDVD when playing back DVDs from a hard drive on another PC via the network. It would pause for about 20 or 30 seconds and then carry on. It would do this every 20 or 30 minutes or so. No other players (WinDVD, Zoomplayer) had the problem. It then went away on a new PC set up, but has now mysteriously started happening again. It's fine with local DVD or those ripped to the hard drive, it only does it via the network.
I wonder if it's a similar glitch you're seeing?
Gary
I used to get a similar problem with PDVD when playing back DVDs from a hard drive on another PC via the network. It would pause for about 20 or 30 seconds and then carry on. It would do this every 20 or 30 minutes or so. No other players (WinDVD, Zoomplayer) had the problem. It then went away on a new PC set up, but has now mysteriously started happening again. It's fine with local DVD or those ripped to the hard drive, it only does it via the network.
I wonder if it's a similar glitch you're seeing?
Gary
i have this problem too, but on local hard drive - i can play the video for 4-5 mins then it will lock up the video and the audio loops for 20-30 secs, then everything starts playing fine again for the rest of the movie.
OK, little update: the Cyberlink directshow codec does dxva for h264 files, only if you use an app that supports EVR (eg WMP11, or MPC beta). Here's a clip playing x-men3:
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9486/wmp11jm4.th.jpg (http://img408.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wmp11jm4.jpg)
Note the average perfmon CPU in the bottom right window: 2.5% for 35mbitAVC :-)
Setup is a C2d@ 2ghz, DS3, Vista32, 8500GT, 158.18.
How did you open the property page for EVR in Windows Media Player?
arfster
05-09-07, 04:57 PM
How did you open the property page for EVR in Windows Media Player?
A useful trick: use ffdshow audio. That gives you a tray icon with access to all filters. You can do the same with ffdshow video, but that has the unfortunate side-effect of dumping the decoder into software mode.
Gary Lightfoot
05-09-07, 05:51 PM
i have this problem too, but on local hard drive - i can play the video for 4-5 mins then it will lock up the video and the audio loops for 20-30 secs, then everything starts playing fine again for the rest of the movie.
Does that PC have an active network connection? I've a feeling in the early days it may have done it with local hard drives and at the time I wondered if it was the player polling the net for some reason.
Seems a strange PDVD only issue - when using PDVD filters with Zoomplayer the problem doesn't occur either.
Gary
A useful trick: use ffdshow audio. That gives you a tray icon with access to all filters. You can do the same with ffdshow video, but that has the unfortunate side-effect of dumping the decoder into software mode.
Excuse my ffdshow ignorance, but dies that mean that I need to install ffdshow, thus allowing its filters to become default for pretty much all existing multimedia (something I sooo much don't want to do)? Or somehow there is a way to install just the ffdshow audio renderer?
arfster
05-09-07, 06:41 PM
Excuse my ffdshow ignorance, but dies that mean that I need to install ffdshow, thus allowing its filters to become default for pretty much all existing multimedia (something I sooo much don't want to do)? Or somehow there is a way to install just the ffdshow audio renderer?
FFDshow has internal settings that let you set for what audio/video it will load for - for anything else it just doesn't appear. For your purposes, I'd install it and disable everything. When you want to use it for the trick above, just turn on "all supported" in the audio codecs list, and it'll pop up.
As it happens, ffdshow is an excellent audio codec, so it's no great problem to just use it in place of your existing audio decoder.
OK, little update: the Cyberlink directshow codec does dxva for h264 files, only if you use an app that supports EVR (eg WMP11, or MPC beta). Here's a clip playing x-men3:
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9486/wmp11jm4.th.jpg (http://img408.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wmp11jm4.jpg)
Note the average perfmon CPU in the bottom right window: 2.5% for 35mbitAVC :-)
Setup is a C2d@ 2ghz, DS3, Vista32, 8500GT, 158.18.
Nice!
I was trying to get HD DVD to play via graph edit so I could I could try using the filter string in Zoomplayer but could not get anything to connect to the HD DVD navigator filter. Have you tried messing with straight HD DVD playback at all arfster?
arfster
05-09-07, 07:34 PM
Yeah, it's a pain, because half the filters don't work with half the audio formats. Use the standard async windows filesource, then:
DD+: sonic demuxxer/audio/video, connected to vmr9. For h264 use cyberlink or ffdshow. This combination works pretty much perfectly.
Dolby TruHD: sonic demuxxer doesn't like this, so you have to use haali. Haali then doesn't like the sonic video decoder, so you have to use WMP11's VC1 codec. That then doesn't work without EVR on a 8500GT, and any number of other driver problems, because it forces DXVA. Cyberlink VC1 can't be used either, and ffdshow VC1 decoding is still wobbly. Of course if it's h264 you're OK.
I was only fooling around with these, but that's the current state of play afaik. PDVD works quite nicely now so I'm not bothered about using 3rd party proggies anyway. I'm also not willing to pay for the Sonic codec pack tbh (happy to have a play with it admittedly!).
Bluray is much nicer by comparison, because .m2ts is well understood and generally just works.
kevin_y
05-11-07, 12:41 AM
On Warner's "The Adventure of Robin Hood", I can't bring up the menu, either by pressing J or clicking the menu button. And the subtitles are always on and can't be turned off because I can't access the menu. Anyone experiencing this and know a fix? I have PowerDVD 7.3 2605n and the Xbox hd dvd drive.
MickeyDora
05-11-07, 12:53 AM
Is this while playing from the disk or ripped to the HDD?
rubento
05-11-07, 04:45 AM
Same for me. I'm playing it from disk.
On Warner's "The Adventure of Robin Hood", I can't bring up the menu, either by pressing J or clicking the menu button. And the subtitles are always on and can't be turned off because I can't access the menu. Anyone experiencing this and know a fix? I have PowerDVD 7.3 2605n and the Xbox hd dvd drive.
Try the up or right arrow keyboard key.
kevin_y
05-11-07, 10:49 AM
Try the up or right arrow keyboard key.
Yeah I did that too but the menu just wouldn't come up.
I also can't play Digital Video Essentials HD -- menus unnavigatable and unclosable; I had to right-click, go to a title to see the content (menu still unclosable but at least I can see the calibration screens).
Also can't play Hulk -- PowerDVD goes into file mode as many of you noticed.
rubento
05-11-07, 11:49 AM
Not only with DVE and Robin Hood... same here with Casablanca and The Matador (all from disk)...
kevin_y
05-11-07, 02:08 PM
Maybe those who can update the xbox drive firmware with the xbox console don't have these kinds of problems. Microsoft doesn't really support this as a PC drive and we're starting to see the consequences. Of course, I'm not going to buy an xbox console just to update my drive. Instead, I'm going to start looking for another brand of HD DVD or Blu-ray drive. The HP HD100 is now only $270 at newegg with standard return policy. But maybe I should consider Blu-ray drives at this moment...
Maybe those who can update the xbox drive firmware with the xbox console don't have these kinds of problems. Microsoft doesn't really support this as a PC drive and we're starting to see the consequences. Of course, I'm not going to buy an xbox console just to update my drive. Instead, I'm going to start looking for another brand of HD DVD or Blu-ray drive. The HP HD100 is now only $270 at newegg with standard return policy. But maybe I should consider Blu-ray drives at this moment...
I haven't heard of any updates to the XBox HD DVD drive itself yet, only to the software in the XBox that plays the HD DVDs. My impression is that the updates to the drive, if they ever come, will be security related and nothing to do with the menus or other interactivity. On the PC platform, the equivalent would be updates to PowerDVD.
kevin_y
05-11-07, 06:33 PM
I haven't heard of any updates to the XBox HD DVD drive itself yet, only to the software in the XBox that plays the HD DVDs. My impression is that the updates to the drive, if they ever come, will be security related and nothing to do with the menus or other interactivity. On the PC platform, the equivalent would be updates to PowerDVD.
There is a dashboard update, and a HD DVD drive update (meaning firmware) according to this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=844868 . Post 7 of the thread says the firmware update includes "a few functionality upgrades (night mode toggle option, conversion to DTS for output), plus the lip sync fix and a lot of compatibility issue fixes for disc read errors, and subtitle issues, and audio issues." To me, these are PLAYBACK fixes that may benefit PowerDVD users too.
As I said, the xbox drive isn't really supported for PC, so I doubt if Cyberlink would make it a priority to fix PowerDVD for xbox drive playback problems. This company is guinea-pigging us with the buggiest problem in its history so I doubt it would spend any effort to fix compatibility issues for a drive that isn't supported.
I'm really starting to look for a *real* PC HD DVD or Blu-ray drive that has actual support and hopefully Cyberlink will make its PowerlessDVD player compatible to it.
Rathbone
05-11-07, 07:17 PM
There is a dashboard update, and a HD DVD drive update (meaning firmware) according to this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=844868 . Post 7 of the thread says the firmware update includes "a few functionality upgrades (night mode toggle option, conversion to DTS for output), plus the lip sync fix and a lot of compatibility issue fixes for disc read errors, and subtitle issues, and audio issues." To me, these are PLAYBACK fixes that may benefit PowerDVD users too.
That is no firmware update for the drive itself but for the XBOX-HD-Decoding software. The drive has nothing to do with decoding DTS, lipsync etc., that is all done by the software, in our case PowerDVD Ultra. The drive only reads the data on the disc.
mrchung
05-11-07, 08:37 PM
There is a dashboard update, and a HD DVD drive update (meaning firmware) according to this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=844868 . Post 7 of the thread says the firmware update includes "a few functionality upgrades (night mode toggle option, conversion to DTS for output), plus the lip sync fix and a lot of compatibility issue fixes for disc read errors, and subtitle issues, and audio issues." To me, these are PLAYBACK fixes that may benefit PowerDVD users too.
As I said, the xbox drive isn't really supported for PC, so I doubt if Cyberlink would make it a priority to fix PowerDVD for xbox drive playback problems. This company is guinea-pigging us with the buggiest problem in its history so I doubt it would spend any effort to fix compatibility issues for a drive that isn't supported.
I'm really starting to look for a *real* PC HD DVD or Blu-ray drive that has actual support and hopefully Cyberlink will make its PowerlessDVD player compatible to it.
Cyberlink may not be able to update the drive but they do advertise it as supported. From their website:
Supported Optical Drive
HD DVD drives:
Toshiba TS-L802A (slim internal drive)
Toshiba SD-H802A (HH internal drive)
HP HD-100 (HH external drive)
Baffulo HDV-ROM2.4FB (HH internal drive)
Xbox 360 HD DVD external drive
Out of curiosity, what operating system is everyone using who has perfect playback?
I've tried XP Pro (32-bit) and Vista 32-bit. Both are not what I call stellar. This is with an AMD X2 4400+, 1900XT, and 1 gig memory.
Does Vista 64-bit offer better playback?
takisot
05-14-07, 02:00 AM
Xppro on a core2duo 6600 system with ATI X1950pro. Stellar performance displaying 108024 on a JVC HD-1..
capitano
05-14-07, 03:42 AM
When I run Ultra 7.3 in Vista with Blu-ray disks after about 10 minutes Powerdvd freezes and i must close the program.
This only if I play BD directly from the drive (LG Blu-ray drive)
If I rip the movie on hard disk and then run it with Ultra the problem does not happen.
With the same machine ( I have a dual boot system) in XP i can play movies directly from BD drive without issues.
My LG drive has the last firmware update onboard (GL05)
Nobody with the same problem?
kevekev30
05-14-07, 06:12 AM
When I run Ultra 7.3 in Vista with Blu-ray disks after about 10 minutes Powerdvd freezes and i must close the program.
This only if I play BD directly from the drive (LG Blu-ray drive)
If I rip the movie on hard disk and then run it with Ultra the problem does not happen.
With the same machine ( I have a dual boot system) in XP i can play movies directly from BD drive without issues.
My LG drive has the last firmware update onboard (GL05)
Nobody with the same problem?
I have the same problem. Havent figured out what it is.
I have the same problem. Havent figured out what it is.
I have seen a problem where the disk is solid. I can wait it out and then the sound comes back but I have to back up the playback position to get the video to display. I am running Vista32 Ultimate. I have not been able to locate the process so it appear to be swapping which also does not make sense since I have 2Gig.
- Rich
SSSikora
05-14-07, 08:50 AM
I have the same problem. Havent figured out what it is.
I am also having this problem. The app appears locked but if I right-click it responds in about 30 seconds or so. I hit stop and then immediately hit play and the disc plays flawlessly after that. Once I close down PowerDVD and then reopen it it's the same thing. Plays to about the 7 to 10 minute mark and then stops. I also have no clue as to why this happens but it does it everytime I start PowerDVD and the part that's very strange is that if you stop and restart the movie as I described above it play fine for the rest of the session.
one question, problem....using vista ulti 32 when playing regular DVD's and going Fullscreen, the taskbar doesnt go away, it sits on top of the fullscreen video.
I can make the taskbar autohide...but when it hides, there's a white outline still visible on the bottom of the screen which is distracting.
Anyone else having this problem or know how to fix it?
Thanks
Is PowerDVD 7.3 having problems with the japanese Version of "XXX" or is it a problem with DTS-HD in generel? My right rear speaker doesn't make a single peep during the whole movie. It seems to work fine with Nero ShowTime. I don't have another titel with DTS-HD yet so I don't know if it's a problem with the movie or the soundformat. Thanks!
capitano
05-14-07, 09:58 AM
@ Kevekev30, Sssikora:
do you have LG Blu-ray drive?
Micromain
05-14-07, 11:02 AM
one question, problem....using vista ulti 32 when playing regular DVD's and going Fullscreen, the taskbar doesnt go away, it sits on top of the fullscreen video.
I can make the taskbar autohide...but when it hides, there's a white outline still visible on the bottom of the screen which is distracting.
Anyone else having this problem or know how to fix it?
Thanks
Uncheck the "Always on Top" setting for the Taskbar.
jerrytdss
05-14-07, 12:06 PM
Xppro on a core2duo 6600 system with ATI X1950pro. Stellar performance displaying 108024 on a JVC HD-1..
I second that figuration as working well.
SSSikora
05-15-07, 08:55 AM
Capitano:
No, I have a Sony BWU-100A and a Microsoft HD-DVD drive.
Uncheck the "Always on Top" setting for the Taskbar.
eh, not the solution i was looking for. I don't wanna keep checking/unchecking that checkbox every time i wanna watch a regular DVD....is anyone else experiencing this or is it somethin w/ my system?
tHanks
kevin_y
05-15-07, 01:56 PM
Yeah I did that too but the menu just wouldn't come up.
I also can't play Digital Video Essentials HD -- menus unnavigatable and unclosable; I had to right-click, go to a title to see the content (menu still unclosable but at least I can see the calibration screens).
Also can't play Hulk -- PowerDVD goes into file mode as many of you noticed.
I also can't open the menu nor disable subtitles on another Warner disc, "Happy Feet".
Would AnyDVD HD fix this problem, anyone know?
Another poster had the same problem on "Casablanca" (also from Warner). A while ago I rented this and played it with AnyDVD HD and didn't have a problem. So I wonder if AnyDVD is the fix, but unfortunately my trial version has expired.
kevin_y
05-15-07, 02:03 PM
Cyberlink may not be able to update the drive but they do advertise it as supported. From their website:
Supported Optical Drive
HD DVD drives:
Toshiba TS-L802A (slim internal drive)
Toshiba SD-H802A (HH internal drive)
HP HD-100 (HH external drive)
Baffulo HDV-ROM2.4FB (HH internal drive)
Xbox 360 HD DVD external drive
You're talking about a company that doesn't even support its own product PowerlessDVD properly. It's guinea-pigging us and it's gonna take its good ol' time to post a patch.
Even since version 6 (maybe earlier), PowerlessDVD only has a hotkey to cycle through subtitles but not disable them. Stupid design.
MickeyDora
05-15-07, 02:06 PM
If you back it up to your HDD then you can edit the XPL to turn off the subtitles.
zaharia
05-15-07, 02:10 PM
New PowerDVD Ultra upgrade patch released today:
-Support nVidia GeForce 8000 series hardware decoding
-Support ATI X2000 series hardware decoding
edfowler
05-15-07, 02:31 PM
If you back it up to your HDD then you can edit the XPL to turn off the subtitles.
Its ripped. Specifically what folder contains the subtitles, and do you just pull it out of the hd folder?
zaharia
05-15-07, 02:36 PM
Anyone else unable to install the new patch released today? I have downloaded it twice and get an error when trying to install it. (PowerDVD error 1334 - blah, blah,blah) Yes, I do have the previous 2605 patch installed already.
Anyone else unable to install the new patch released today? I have downloaded it twice and get an error when trying to install it. (PowerDVD error 1334 - blah, blah,blah) Yes, I do have the previous 2605 patch installed already.
I'm getting an error also. I've opened a support ticket with Cyberlink. I'll post if they get back to me.
MickeyDora
05-15-07, 03:13 PM
Its ripped. Specifically what folder contains the subtitles, and do you just pull it out of the hd folder?
ADV_OBJ ---> VPLST000.XPL
Edit out all references to Subtitles.
ballenjr
05-15-07, 05:43 PM
New PowerDVD Ultra upgrade patch released today:
-Support nVidia GeForce 8000 series hardware decoding
-Support ATI X2000 series hardware decoding
Can't seem to find this on the cyberlink website. Anybody have a link?
Nevermind:
http://www.cyberlink.com/multi/download/dl_patch_397_112_ENU.html
edfowler
05-15-07, 07:00 PM
ADV_OBJ ---> VPLST000.XPL
Edit out all references to Subtitles.
Thanks MickeyDora!!
mefromfl
05-15-07, 07:17 PM
how do i install both the blu ray and hd-dvd version?
stevetoney
05-15-07, 07:24 PM
same error here -- version 7.3.2605 confirmed
I'm getting an error also. I've opened a support ticket with Cyberlink. I'll post if they get back to me.
I cannot install. I tried the ActiveX install and it did not seem to do anything.
My about screen does not have any version except 7.3. Is there a way to find the version?
- Rich
MidnightWatcher
05-15-07, 08:26 PM
I cannot install. I tried the ActiveX install and it did not seem to do anything.
My about screen does not have any version except 7.3. Is there a way to find the version?
- Rich
How do I determine the PowerDVD build number (http://www.cyberlink.com/multi/support/answerbox_productfaq.jsp?FID=4410)?
To find the build number information of PowerDVD, check the About dialog. The About dialog can be accessed by:
• Pressing keyboard combination key Ctrl+A
• Clicking CyberLink logo on the UI
When the About dialog is open, drag your mouse cursor to the user name field and click your mouse button.
The version and build number generally might look like "7.0.2414". The number "7" is the major version number; "0" is the secondary version number and "2414" stands for the build number. The build number is useful for determining if it is necessary to install a patch. If the build number of the patch program is larger than the one on your current program, then you may want to apply this patch to your current program.
arfster
05-15-07, 08:32 PM
Don't waste your time folks, the update is borked. It's missing several files from data1.cab inside the package - looks like they've maybe used an old file list from a previous update.
Edit: it's only missing 3 files, I cobbled them into it from the 2605n update. Lemme check if it's stable.
Edit2: only the divx codecs seems to have been updated of the video filters, and none of the audio filters have changed. Yawn. Not stable either, so I'll wait for Cyberlink to fix things.
bowser15
05-15-07, 08:44 PM
I can't install either, seems we should wait
Micromain
05-15-07, 09:32 PM
eh, not the solution i was looking for. I don't wanna keep checking/unchecking that checkbox every time i wanna watch a regular DVD....is anyone else experiencing this or is it somethin w/ my system?
tHanks
An alternate solution might be to change the taskbar color to black and see if that at least makes it less noticeable. My system doesn't have that problem though so maybe it is something in your setup?
How do I determine the PowerDVD build number (http://www.cyberlink.com/multi/support/answerbox_productfaq.jsp?FID=4410)?
To find the build number information of PowerDVD, check the About dialog. The About dialog can be accessed by:
• Pressing keyboard combination key Ctrl+A
• Clicking CyberLink logo on the UI
When the About dialog is open, drag your mouse cursor to the user name field and click your mouse button.
The version and build number generally might look like "7.0.2414". The number "7" is the major version number; "0" is the secondary version number and "2414" stands for the build number. The build number is useful for determining if it is necessary to install a patch. If the build number of the patch program is larger than the one on your current program, then you may want to apply this patch to your current program.
Thanks. That did it. But I lilke others cannot install the update.
- Rich
has anyone tried the new patch with Superman Returns to see if the subtitles are stuck on still?
MickeyDora
05-15-07, 11:15 PM
has anyone tried the new patch with Superman Returns to see if the subtitles are stuck on still?
Watching from the disk or HDD?
chumbawumba
05-16-07, 05:23 AM
I couldn't install the patch either, but I reinstalled PDVD from the original install file and then registered again. the patch then installed fine and I can now watch HD-DVDs! 35% CPU w/o acelleration, 15-20% with.
Can see posterisation and colour banding tho... I ordered the passive 8500GT from Gigabyte so we'll see what the PQ is after that's in my machine
Will do some more testing this evening and report back!
chumbawumba
05-16-07, 05:24 AM
I have an Asus 7600GT w/ HDMI running on a C2D 6400@3.2Ghz
zaharia
05-16-07, 12:24 PM
I couldn't install the patch either, but I reinstalled PDVD from the original install file and then registered again. the patch then installed fine and I can now watch HD-DVDs! 35% CPU w/o acelleration, 15-20% with.
Can see posterisation and colour banding tho... I ordered the passive 8500GT from Gigabyte so we'll see what the PQ is after that's in my machine
Will do some more testing this evening and report back!
You sure you are updated to 2911? I just tried what you did and I still got the install error with the 2911 patch. Check build as follows:
How do I determine the PowerDVD build number?
To find the build number information of PowerDVD, check the About dialog. The About dialog can be accessed by:
• Pressing keyboard combination key Ctrl+A
• Clicking CyberLink logo on the UI
When the About dialog is open, drag your mouse cursor to the user name field and click your mouse button.
The version and build number generally might look like "7.0.2414". The number "7" is the major version number; "0" is the secondary version number and "2414" stands for the build number.
Watching from the disk or HDD?
From the disk. From the HDD you can edit some files to fix the problem.
Powerage
05-16-07, 01:04 PM
I couldn't install the patch either, but I reinstalled PDVD from the original install file and then registered again. the patch then installed fine and I can now watch HD-DVDs! 35% CPU w/o acelleration, 15-20% with.
Can see posterisation and colour banding tho... I ordered the passive 8500GT from Gigabyte so we'll see what the PQ is after that's in my machine
Will do some more testing this evening and report back!
Are you using PDVD 7.2?
Thats the only version I thought had Color Banding Issues.
Alpha10
05-16-07, 01:15 PM
Anyone know if there are any other 'fixes' in this patch other than:
New PowerDVD Ultra upgrade patch released today:
-Support nVidia GeForce 8000 series hardware decoding
-Support ATI X2000 series hardware decoding
Before I go through all the bother of trying to get the patch going??
Would be nice to finally play 'The Hulk' say....
Cheers
You sure you are updated to 2911? I just tried what you did and I still got the install error with the 2911 patch. Check build as follows:
How do I determine the PowerDVD build number?
To find the build number information of PowerDVD, check the About dialog. The About dialog can be accessed by:
• Pressing keyboard combination key Ctrl+A
• Clicking CyberLink logo on the UI
When the About dialog is open, drag your mouse cursor to the user name field and click your mouse button.
The version and build number generally might look like "7.0.2414". The number "7" is the major version number; "0" is the secondary version number and "2414" stands for the build number.
I also couldn't get the patch to install by uninstalling then re-installing. However, I was able to install the patch by uninstalling PowerDVD then deleting the entire Cyberlink directory. I then used regedit to delete every reference to PowerDVD and Cyberlink. I re-booted then installed PowerDVD. After installation, I was the able to apply the 2911 patch without error but when I check the version info it is still listed as 7.3.2605.0. The only reference to 2911 is where it says UI:2911. Could someone who has not been able to apply the patch check their version info and see what it says for UI:
zaharia
05-16-07, 07:31 PM
Pretty sad that Cyberlink didn't correct this all day and still have the bad patch on their site for download. They must have received numerous complaints.
rubento
05-16-07, 07:54 PM
I must say that after installing PDVD Ultra 7.3 latest build -2911- (Full Retail, not the buggy patch) all HD DVDs I own are working fine and now I can always access their menus... Casablanca, DVE, Robin Hood and Matador... all menus are now accessible. Hardware acceleration is working too (Vista 32, Nvidia 8800 GTS and Forceware 158.43 beta). Quite happy right now!
curtisb
05-16-07, 08:56 PM
I must say that after installing PDVD Ultra 7.3 latest build -2911- (Full Retail, not the buggy patch) all HD DVDs I own are working fine and now I can always access their menus... Casablanca, DVE, Robin Hood and Matador... all menus are now accessible. Hardware acceleration is working too (Vista 32, Nvidia 8800 GTS and Forceware 158.43 beta). Quite happy right now!
And you got that file from where? I can only find the original January 2605 file and the broken patch. Having the slipstream bits would be most helpful to everyone!
I had the same experience as everyone else with the patch - 2 missing files and the fatal error. One of those head scratchers as to how in the world that made it past testing.
edit - I just checked and the same borked file is still up there.. I submitted a complaint early this morning and they have to had a lot of them by now. Great QC! ;-)
robin0901
05-16-07, 09:07 PM
You can check the PDVD Ultra SR. The patch SR is DVD070424-02
When you apply this patch, the SR may change to DVD070424-02
curtisb
05-16-07, 09:23 PM
You can check the PDVD Ultra SR. The patch SR is DVD070424-02
When you apply this patch, the SR may change to DVD070424-02
Not sure what you are saying here. That is the patch number that we are saying does not install, errors twice and then a third time fatally. Are you saying you were able to install it?
arfster
05-16-07, 09:28 PM
The patch only crashes if you have lots of old powerdvd remnants floating about your machine. This worked for me:
Uninstall
Reboot
Delete Cyberlink directory
regedit out anything referring to cyberlink or powerdvd. Careful.....
reboot
Reinstall 7.3
Run latest patch
By the way, this update appears to screw Bluray disc playback for me. You can play the evo files, but not off disc.
So the new protection is broken before the new discs are officially on sale, which is kinda funny. I wonder if they're going to make us update powerdvd every other week now.
Micromain
05-16-07, 10:33 PM
I also couldn't get the patch to install by uninstalling then re-installing. However, I was able to install the patch by uninstalling PowerDVD then deleting the entire Cyberlink directory. I then used regedit to delete every reference to PowerDVD and Cyberlink. I re-booted then installed PowerDVD. After installation, I was the able to apply the 2911 patch without error but when I check the version info it is still listed as 7.3.2605.0. The only reference to 2911 is where it says UI:2911. Could someone who has not been able to apply the patch check their version info and see what it says for UI:
I downloaded the patch, ran it without uninstalling first, and everything seemed to go fine. No errors. Checking the version info now mine matches what you describe. It still says 7.3.2605.0 for the version but has UI:2911.
P-DVD runs fine but I don't notice any significant change in CPU utlization or PQ from the previous version.
zaharia
05-16-07, 10:36 PM
The patch only crashes if you have lots of old powerdvd remnants floating about your machine. This worked for me:
Uninstall
Reboot
Delete Cyberlink directory
regedit out anything referring to cyberlink or powerdvd. Careful.....
reboot
Reinstall 7.3
Run latest patch
Thanks, just spent half an hour going through the registry and this didn't work for me. :p Guess I'll just wait for the patch to be fixed. :mad:
The patch only crashes if you have lots of old powerdvd remnants floating about your machine. This worked for me:
Uninstall
Reboot
Delete Cyberlink directory
regedit out anything referring to cyberlink or powerdvd. Careful.....
reboot
Reinstall 7.3
Run latest patch
By the way, this update appears to screw Bluray disc playback for me. You can play the evo files, but not off disc.
I tried the unstainll but I still could nte get it to install.
Do you mean that you cannot play BD off the BD-ROM disks or you cannot play then ripped to disk?
- Rich
arfster
05-16-07, 10:43 PM
Do you mean that you cannot play BD off the BD-ROM disks or you cannot play then ripped to disk?
- Rich
I can only play individual m2ts files. Discs, or ripped HD copies, no longer work.
And you got that file from where? I can only find the original January 2605 file and the broken patch. Having the slipstream bits would be most helpful to everyone!
I had the same experience as everyone else with the patch - 2 missing files and the fatal error. One of those head scratchers as to how in the world that made it past testing.
edit - I just checked and the same borked file is still up there.. I submitted a complaint early this morning and they have to had a lot of them by now. Great QC! ;-)
I also put my bug report in this morning with no response. I wonder what time it is in India :p
- Rich
I can only play individual m2ts files. Discs, or ripped HD copies, no longer work.
That means Blu-Ray playback is completely broken :eek:
- Rich
here is their response
Thank you for contacting CyberLink Online Support.
We understand your concern related with PowerDVD Ultra.
Please follow the steps given below to resolve the issue:
1. Uninstall the oldest PDVD Ultra build.
2. Delete a installation folder.
C:\Program Files\InstallShield Installation Information\{6811xxx-xxx}
3. Reboot your PC.
4. Download & Install PowerDVD Ultra 2605b build given below:
http://isales.gocyberlink.com/download/CS_Dept/PowerDVD/CyberLink.2605b_TaRe2_MSI_DVD061206-02.exe
CyberLink.2605b_TaRe2_MSI_DVD061206-02.exe
NOTE : Right click on the above mentioned link and select "Open in New Window" or "Save Target As". After that, enter user name and password given below.
User name: PowerDVD
Password: L7uF6366
Important Instructions:
1. User name and password are case sensitive and must be typed exactly as it is. There must be "NO SPACE" before or after user name and password.
2. When you get a prompt for Open/Save the file. Please choose to save the file on your computer hard drive and then run the file to install software.
The download link is valid till 2007/06/04
5. Follow CyberLink Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD Update Center:
index.jsp
6. Apply the PDVD Ultra patch if not received in previous step.
curtisb
05-16-07, 11:12 PM
That is their answer to every problem you report. The version they are having you download is the same one you already have. I got that same file when I reported the Happy Feet HD-DVD having the stuck menu and crashing. All they are saying is uninstall, delete those extra files, and reinstall. It is just a script. There is apparently no knowledge base they use and they do not do any debug level troubleshooting or the like. Just some bodies to click on preconstructed replies me thinks.
Of course they also had me do some other 101 checks until I got irritated that they were asking me questions I had already answered and realized they were just going through their call center script. After I called them on it and re-sent the links to the other users with the same problems, they came back after a few days and said it was known issue and would be issue a patch for it in the future.
kevin_y
05-16-07, 11:33 PM
And you got that file from where?
He probably still had the download link from purchasing PDVD so he was able to g