Im very curious. Will you eat crow at the AVS buffet if your side loses? While reasonable and logical, I have taken shots at the BD side, and it would be cowardly of me to not admit it. If HD DVD looses I will eat crow, and admit it. Will you if your side loses?

Some of you have posted so many posts against the other side (many coming straight from your stink hole) that you will need a few extra glasses of wine "hint hint" before you post how wrong you were.

I have to admit there have been some posts I have read which I wished I remember becuase I wanted to revisit if my side wins and say...."So, you still think your point is as valid as you claimed?

This thread is meant in good humor, but some should step up if one side trumps the other. Dont you think?

I'm sure that the Blu-Ray supporters will gladly embrace HD DVD once it officially wins.

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year y'all :)

^^^no i dont mean embrace the other side if yours loses. That goes without saying becase each side just wanted good HD content. I mean post on here that all your hard core posts were wrong.

I like crows....used to have a pet one which was brought up from when it was young and injured.....so no eating crow for me they're adorable birds and actually help the crops by eating the pests that feed on them.

I like crows....used to have a pet one which was brought up from when it was young and injured.....so no eating crow for me they're adorable birds and actually help the crops by eating the pests that feed on them.

lol....thanks for that. Right on topic!

loses

loses

Is there anything constructive and useful coming after that?

I have covered all my HD bases by buying both HD-DVD and BD players. My support goes for HD-DVD at the moment because it lived up to its promises. I am still waiting for the BD to officially launch at its leisure and surpass HD-DVD at its whim. If BDA can afford to launch their "format for the next ten years" with gems like Hitch, , TDN:BoRB, HoFD and TFE, I cannot fathom how they would fare if they were the only game in town.

Is there anything constructive and useful coming after that?

I have covered all my HD bases by buying both HD-DVD and BD players. My support goes for HD-DVD at the moment because it lived up to its promises. I am still waiting for the BD to officially launch at its leisure and surpass HD-DVD at its whim. If BDA can afford to launch their "format for the next ten years" with gems like Hitch, , TDN:BoRB, HoFD and TFE, I cannot fathom how they would fare if they were the only game in town.



He should have PM'd the OP the correct spelling. I think that is what he is getting at.

Having both a HD DVD (HD-A1) and BR (PS3) player, I don't care but while they both exist my preference on cross platform titles will go with HD DVD all things equal. For exclusives, I'm obviously limited.

clown crows

I have made very few criticisms of HD DVD or its supporters, possibly occasionally in defense but these criticisms are irrelevant.

I think both formats are acceptable as are the companies promoting them.

Blu-ray has always struck me as superior but if HD DVD wins, I don't see any reason for profound sadness or "eating crow".

I also don't see this as much of a competition. Both sides, and their supporters, are facing a general indifference to the product. If we want the idea of high quality hd media to win over the various alternatives, we should be supporting the general idea.

Here is what I think is going to happen. When one format wins the other sides fanboys will be scarce and or have tons of excuses. Humility is not a characteristic that is considered a virtue these days. :(

Art

This whole "eating crow" thing is a symptom of the problem on the board as of late. The entire debate has turned into a contest of who "wins". I watch football to see a contest, I come here for facts and intellectual discourse on the merits and problems of each format. Lately though it has just turned into a pissing contest to see who can post the most crap to get their side to "win" so the other side will "eat crow".

if HD DVD wins, BD fanboys will say "it's because BD have never really lunched the format"
if BD wins, HD DVD fanboys will say "it's because the retailers are favouring BD"

:D

Eat crow? No I will just mark it under my 'why I am a Loser' list.

loses

I guess you have your answer :eek:

if HD DVD wins, BD fanboys will say "it's because BD have never really lunched the format"
if BD wins, HD DVD fanboys will say "it's because the retailers are favouring BD"

:D
Probably not far off.

there is no losing format.

bluray will never die unless ps3 die. and that wont happen unless a nuclear war happens and blast the plants where ps3 are made.

hd-dvd will survive since it has some hardcore fanatics who belong to the hd-dvd skulls and bones society lol

hmmm and i am little drunk too. that is what x-mas does i guess :)

Why would anyone have a "side"? These are consumer items, not sports teams. Buy whatever suits your need and/or budget.

Well, now that I'm format-neutral, I ain't worried about it. :D

Load time on my HD-A1 frustrates me.

Lack of IR support on my PS3 frustrates me.

The titles I've watched on either format looked good PQ-wise and sounded good AQ-wise.

Should Blu-Ray win, I'll probably apologize to some of the people to whom I gave my opinion that HD-DVD was going to win.

As for eating crow? I think paying $500 or $600 for a player only to have it not support a viable standard is crow enough.

How about Humble Pie?

Im very curious. Will you eat crow at the AVS buffet if your side loses? While reasonable and logical, I have taken shots at the BD side, and it would be cowardly of me to not admit it. If HD DVD looses I will eat crow, and admit it. Will you if your side loses?


I won't be eating any crow. I believe that unless HD-DVD attracts more studio and CE support it cannot win but I am not going to eat crow if it does indeed attract that support and then goes on to win the format war.

I don't have my self worth invested in either format.

Eat Crow if your side looses?


No way. I'm a strict vegetarian.

I will eat a BRD if HD-DVD "wins".

That might hurt

I will eat a BRD if HD-DVD "wins".

Boy, I'll bet you'll wish it didn't have scratch protection if that happens... ;)

I'll be happy to admit which of my points have been wrong, just as I've striven to do all along. And since I own both formats, it'll be ok (Although I will HAVE to buy a newer HD DVD player if the format survives, I really don't like the A1).

Happy holidays everyone!

Im very curious. Will you eat crow at the AVS buffet if your side loses? While reasonable and logical, I have taken shots at the BD side, and it would be cowardly of me to not admit it. If HD DVD looses I will eat crow, and admit it. Will you if your side loses?

Some of you have posted so many posts against the other side (many coming straight from your stink hole) that you will need a few extra glasses of wine "hint hint" before you post how wrong you were.

I have to admit there have been some posts I have read which I wished I remember becuase I wanted to revisit if my side wins and say...."So, you still think your point is as valid as you claimed?

This thread is meant in good humor, but some should step up if one side trumps the other. Dont you think?

Sides? I don't have a side. I wasn't even aware that sides existed outside the minds of people who believe in such things.

No reason for me to eat crow:

If HD-DVD loses I will still get many years of enjoyment out of my HD-A1 by watching my custom made HD-DVD movie disks, listening to audio CDs, and enjoying beautifully upconverted SD DVDs...

If BD loses I will get many years of enjoyment out of my PS3 as a next generation gaming platform/virtual supercomputer/SACD player/media center...

Great news for me! ;)

Well... I'm more of a "Give me the least evil format", kind of a guy... and my preference would be to not have to buy parallel hardware.

I have see some significant mis-infomartion campaigns goming on around here... particulalry by a few specific folks. I've got at least one bet going on.... should I lose that bet, my .sig is hos for a month.

Maybe this thread will give him an idea or two... I personally think:

Mmmm.... Crow.... It's What's For Dinner!

would look mighty handsome in my sig.... or maybe his!

Here is what I think is going to happen. When one format wins the other sides fanboys will be scarce and or have tons of excuses. Humility is not a characteristic that is considered a virtue these days. :(

Art
Amen. And even though I own both formats, if HD DVD loses not only will I eat crow, but I will literally eat a crow. Preferably domesticated.

Im very curious. Will you eat crow at the AVS buffet if your side loses? While reasonable and logical, I have taken shots at the BD side, and it would be cowardly of me to not admit it. If HD DVD looses I will eat crow, and admit it. Will you if your side loses?

Some of you have posted so many posts against the other side (many coming straight from your stink hole) that you will need a few extra glasses of wine "hint hint" before you post how wrong you were.

I have to admit there have been some posts I have read which I wished I remember becuase I wanted to revisit if my side wins and say...."So, you still think your point is as valid as you claimed?

This thread is meant in good humor, but some should step up if one side trumps the other. Dont you think?

ABSOLUTELY. I prefer my cow in black paper or mushroom souce.

_______

edited: i swear to god i saw 'cow' .. sorry :o

I can't remember the one poster's name, or find that early HD DVD thread, where he told some pro-BD dude he'd be 'back in march to serve up some crow'. That was hilarious; someone kept tellin' him HD DVD wasn't gonna' happen.

I thought we're talking about Cassette vs 8-Track.

Or LP vs CD... (LP rocks !!)

Thomas

got both, so it don't matter.

nah, I'll have both by the end of 2007 unless of course HD-DVD is pulling into an obvious lead and/or some of the playstation 3 exclusive games like final fantasy release to the xbox too.

Why would anyone have a "side"? These are consumer items, not sports teams. Buy whatever suits your need and/or budget.

Cant speak for others, but the reason I have a side.. I'm REALLY REALLY sick of the Sony Hype machine ps1, ps2, ps3 & bluray their constant hype and then only delivering halfway (if that) over the past few years has really turned me off of them as a company. I know all companies are in this game for the $ but Sony doesn't seem to care about customers at all or who they lie to, another company like this is EA (another topic). Hyping and then not delivering what you hyped to me is LYING and I'm SICK of getting lied to by Sony. I really believe if it wasn't for HD-DVD we would be paying $50+ a movie for bluray disks and players wouldn't even be close to under $1000

Honesty if ANYONE other than EA (lol) bought out Sony I would jump on the BD bandwagon. I think just if Sony wins we all loose eventually.

Hybrid players at a reasonable price = everybody wins. :)

I don't think you'll eat crow as you put it.
Sure if my side (HD-DVD) loses ill have to buy a BD player but, ill still have a good HD collection on HD-DVD. HD is HD nomatter what format its presented on.

I don't think you'll eat crow as you put it.
Sure if my side (HD-DVD) loses ill have to buy a BD player but, ill still have a good HD collection on HD-DVD. HD is HD nomatter what format its presented on.

^^^no i dont mean embrace the other side if yours loses. That goes without saying becase each side just wanted good HD content. I mean post on here that all your hard core posts were wrong.


you would think that (and I think most of us would fall in that category). But there is at least one person that posts a lot of BS that said if HD DVD loses he is going back to DVD.

and that person needs to be kicked in the bum to kingdom come.

I don't have a "side" and will be able to keep playing games on either system should one HD format or the other finally win. If they both died, I wouldn't much mind either, as long as I can get HD media in SOME form (preferably without buying another player, though).

If HD DVD loses, then of course I will get a BD player because I want HD. But for now I will stick to HD to help it win the war.

I don't want either side to "lose" because it will be a set back for all of us, at least for a while. I just want to watch hidef DVDs. I'd support 3 formats if we got 100s of titles each month and the players were decently priced. :) If the format is more important than the content, then your priorities are skewed.

larry

I don't want either side to "lose" because it will be a set back for all of us, at least for a while. I just want to watch hidef DVDs. I'd support 3 formats if we got 100s of titles each month and the players were decently priced. :) If the format is more important than the content, then your priorities are skewed.

larry

I disagree 100%. I think it will be a huge advantage for consumers if this format war ends in the complete defeat of one format and the success of the other. What worries me is they may both fail to gain traction like SACD/DVD-Audio.

I want one side to lose and lose completely and I don't really care which side loses as long as one does.

I disagree 100%. I think it will be a huge advantage for consumers if this format war ends in the complete defeat of one format and the success of the other. What worries me is they may both fail to gain traction like SACD/DVD-Audio.

I want one side to lose and lose completely and I don't really care which side loses as long as one does.

One side losing will not lead to the other succeeding. Since the current champion - DVD - is not easy to dislodge.

And it is likely something else (like downloads) will overtake hd dvd/bd before they overtake dvd.

Some of you have posted so many posts against the other side (many coming straight from your stink hole) that you will need a few extra glasses of wine "hint hint" before you post how wrong you were.
I think that guy will just claim he was drunk anyway ;)

One side losing will not lead to the other succeeding. Since the current champion - DVD - is not easy to dislodge.

And it is likely something else (like downloads) will overtake hd dvd/bd before they overtake dvd.

It is true that failure of one does not guarantee success of the other but it does make it much more likely. DVD will be impossible to dislodge while there are two competing standards.

Downloads of HD movies are unlikely to become popular anytime soon since downloading 30-50 gig of data takes a long time even at consumer broadband speeds. Plenty of people still don't have access to broadband.

Sides are for squares, Daddy-O.

Downloads of HD movies are unlikely to become popular anytime soon since downloading 30-50 gig of data takes a long time even at consumer broadband speeds. Plenty of people still don't have access to broadband.

The Xbox Live Marketplace has some good HD movies you can download. I think it's becoming pretty popular.

I disagree 100%. I think it will be a huge advantage for consumers if this format war ends in the complete defeat of one format and the success of the other. What worries me is they may both fail to gain traction like SACD/DVD-Audio.

I want one side to lose and lose completely and I don't really care which side loses as long as one does.

As long as this "war," is fought on unequal ground it sucks.

What would be best is total Studio Neutrality, then both formats would survive, and people would just buy what they thought was best for them.

Like SACD/DVD-A this war is being fought at the consumer's expense. We aren't getting a neutral playing field and sides are buying off partnerships to keep this from being "fair."

Now that the PS3 has bought such a huge part of the market, Sony should see the light in a fair stomping ground.

If both formats existed with equal Studio Support I think we'd not care one bit, except for what we each wanted in our homes.

As long as this "war," is fought on unequal ground it sucks.

What would be best is total Studio Neutrality, then both formats would survive, and people would just buy what they thought was best for them.

Like SACD/DVD-A this war is being fought at the consumer's expense. We aren't getting a neutral playing field and sides are buying off partnerships to keep this from being "fair."

Now that the PS3 has bought such a huge part of the market, Sony should see the light in a fair stomping ground.

If both formats existed with equal Studio Support I think we'd not care one bit, except for what we each wanted in our homes.

Why do we want war and why would they make it fair? That would be like us Giving Iraq more guns, money and people to fight us with to see who would win in an even fight. Now Im not necessarily saying HD is like Iraq because I would wholeheartedly support HD if it won but im just using that as an example. If one side has more money and support then they have every right to do their best to make it win.

If HD-DVD defeats Blu-Ray, that would mean inferior technology won in the marketplace.

Again.

The arguments about storage capacity and bandwidth wouldn't be invalidated one bit.

54 posts and 1,343 views and no one saying "Yes I have written some pretty bold and rash statements about the HD DVD or BD side, and if my side looses I will have to post and admit perhaps I WAS WRONG."

Its OK to be wrong and admit it. Check my posts if you like, I have posted some things that directly attack the BD format and its supporters (not AVS forum members) but industry supporters. While all my posts are logical some contain sarcasm, and because of that I will eat crow if HD DVD pulls out. No question.

ok..ill say it. "thebland" please post on this thread and say anything else besides "great news for Blue Ray". Step up. Lead by example.

Eating crow implies humility. Judging by the amount of that quality being shown thus far by fanboys on both sides, does anyone expect that to happen? ;)

does the fact I'm using HD DVD now implies that I'm already eating crow (I was a BD proponent, even bought a BD burner and only use it for data and a BD player that sits nicely at home only to watch the ocassional borrowed discs) :)

If HD DVD fails, I'll delete or edit every post I've made on the subject until I've carefully rewritten my history so I look like a long time pro-BD poster. Then I'll type in all caps "IN YOUR FACE, YOU HD DVD HOOKERS!!1!1!!!" and type a lot of "lol you losers suck because you're losers lol".

Why do we want war....?

The format war is good! Nothing makes the price/performance ratio improve like competition. If this war pushes both sides to continue to strive for better PQ, AQ, extra features and price in order to top each other, then we're all winners.

Rather than argue and sling mud/fud at each other, we should be all smiling knowing that progress in both formats is accelerated because of the competition. We should all put our egos on the back-burner and enjoy our HD! :)

The Xbox Live Marketplace has some good HD movies you can download. I think it's becoming pretty popular.

How many movies does it have available for download? How many subscribers does it have? How often do they download?

How many movies does it have available for download? How many subscribers does it have? How often do they download?
It's a new service, so I'm guessing it has around 70 movies to download, though most are SD. I think there are around 2M XBL subscribers, though I could be off on that number.

See this article:http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117956232.html?categoryid=1009&cs=1&nid=2570

It's a new service, so I'm guessing it has around 70 movies to download, though most are SD. I think there are around 2M XBL subscribers, though I could be off on that number.

See this article:http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117956232.html?categoryid=1009&cs=1&nid=2570

Those 2M subscribers include people with regular XBox consoles though. It would be interesting to know how many subscribers have downloaded a movie.

For comparison, Netflix has 5M subscribers and about 70,000 titles.

Actually, I read somewhere the number was 4 million before Gears of War came out. Honestly, I have no idea what the numbers are.

Neither side will win, they'll both lose. This is exactly the same as DVD-Audio vs. SACD. By the time universal players came out it was too late.