View Full Version : My Story with Sony SXRD 60A2000 & 60XBR2
sperezmore 12-27-06, 11:57 AM Hello,
I would like to give my thanks to all the members of this board for helping me to make my decision.
I first purchased a Sony SXRD 60A2000 (12/10/2006) (Color uniformity, green tint faces issues) returned after a week. Exchanged it for a Sony 60XBR2, $800.00 more (12/17/2006) (same problems, especially green faces) returned after 3 days.
I truly believe (IMHO) that the Sony SXRD line (LCOS, RPTV) needs more time for technical improvement especially in the quality control department. I do not have any doubts that Sony will be successful in the task but when you spend between 2000k and 5000k you should not have to be worried about reliability issues in the short term. (Green blob over time, green faces, bad customer service, worrying with extended warranties...)
Sadly this is my personal experience and in no way means that this will happen to any of you but I want you to be aware of my issues to help you make better decisions.
Finally I chose a Panasonic 50' Plasma (12/21/2006). I couldn't be more happy with it. In the future I will upgrade to a 1080p 65' Plasma and the 50' will go to my bedroom.
Have a nice day!
Regards,
Auditor55 12-27-06, 12:50 PM Hello,
I would like to give my thanks to all the members of this board for helping me to make my decision.
I first purchased an Sony SXRD 60A2000 (12/10/2006) (Color uniformity, green tint faces issues) returned after a week. Exchanged it for a Sony 60XBR2, $800.00 more (12/17/2006) (same problems, especially green faces) returned after 3 days.
I truly believe (IMHO) that the Sony SXRD line (LCOS, RPTV) needs more time for technical improvement especially in the quality control department. I do not have any doubts that Sony will be successful in the task but when you spend between 2000k and 5000k you should not have to be worried about reliability issues in the short term. (Green blob over time, green faces, bad customer service, worrying with extended warranties...)
Sadly this is my personal experience and in no way means that this will happen to any of you but I want you to be aware of my issues to help you make better decisions.
Finally I chose a Panasonic 50' Plasma (12/21/2006). I couldn't be more happy with it. In the future I will upgrade to a 1080p 65' Plasma and the 50' will go to my bedroom.
Have a nice day!
Regards,
Sorry to hear that you had go through all of that to find a set that pleases you. I too had previously gone through 4 Lcos sets, 3 SXRDs and 1 D-ILA and they all had various issues. I ended up getting a Panny plasma. The word around this forum is that green blob problems have been fixed with the XBR2. It now seems, based upon your experience, that the green blob issues have not been corrected. I also noticed this while viewing a XBR2 at Circuit City.
sperezmore 12-27-06, 01:16 PM Auditor55,
Yes, sad but true. With the XBR2 was more a case of color uniformity and green tint in the shadows of faces. Who knows if with time the set will develop a green blob issue? I wasn't ready to sit and wait for this to happen over time.
It was frustrating for me. I really wanted to keep my SXRD because of the size (60')
Now with my new 50' Plasma (still in a break in period) I could not be happier. In 2 years when prices come down and 1080p transmision and technology be the standard I will be ready for a 65' 1080p Plasma.
Regards,
Sorry to hear about your Sony TV. For some reason I think it is getting harder to find a TV with out so many issues now a days. Hope it gets better by the time when I am ready to upgrade my current HDTV.
I'm thinking the SXRD is just too new. Panasonic is on their 9th generation plasma panels and I believe DLP is around the 5th generation. This is only the second revision of the SXRD technology.
sperezmore 12-27-06, 06:42 PM I'm thinking the SXRD is just too new. Panasonic is on their 9th generation plasma panels and I believe DLP is around the 5th generation. This is only the second revision of the SXRD technology.
I Agree. I wasn't ready to be Sony's guinea pig.
Regards,
Feirstein 12-27-06, 09:19 PM Last years XBR line suffered the green blob problem to some extent. Sony has been very responsive and a new circuit board combined with a new light engine seems to have that problem behind them. The next generaton line seems to suffer from a uniformity issue, to one extent or another. This is not anywhere as major as the green blob issue and is not unexpected in a non-professional display. I'm looking forward to seeing how much progress Sony makes on its next generation line which should be narrower and less expensive.
I am pleased with my 60A2000 although the white screen shows just a slight touch of green in the color temperature toward the center. It is somewhat reduced now that the set has some hours on it. I did purchase the $250.00 4 year warranty from Sony, just in case. This is one great set that only cost me a bit over $2,000.00. I hear of fewer such issues with sets built since September.
Richard.
Hello,
I would like to give my thanks to all the members of this board for helping me to make my decision.
I first purchased a Sony SXRD 60A2000 (12/10/2006) (Color uniformity, green tint faces issues) returned after a week. Exchanged it for a Sony 60XBR2, $800.00 more (12/17/2006) (same problems, especially green faces) returned after 3 days.
I truly believe (IMHO) that the Sony SXRD line (LCOS, RPTV) needs more time for technical improvement especially in the quality control department. I do not have any doubts that Sony will be successful in the task but when you spend between 2000k and 5000k you should not have to be worried about reliability issues in the short term. (Green blob over time, green faces, bad customer service, worrying with extended warranties...)
Sadly this is my personal experience and in no way means that this will happen to any of you but I want you to be aware of my issues to help you make better decisions.
Finally I chose a Panasonic 50' Plasma (12/21/2006). I couldn't be more happy with it. In the future I will upgrade to a 1080p 65' Plasma and the 50' will go to my bedroom.
Have a nice day!
Regards,
Hmm, I was looking at your posts to see which model panasonic you bought and found your post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9203014&&#post9203014) of 12/18 that shows your happy with the a2000 quoted here:
Thank you Anomaly.
Fresh from the factory. My Sony SXRD KDS-60A2000 has a December 2006 build date.
All I can say is WOW!!!!!
Beautiful picture with my OPPO OPDV971H (HDMI 1080i) and my DirecTV H20 HDTV Satellite Receiver (HDMI 1080i)
I can't wait for a Universal HD DVD - Blu Ray player (hopefully by the end of 2007) and a Denon receiver with HDMI 1.3 (hopefully also by mid 2007) I think that when I get them, then I really will be in Home Theater heaven. Ha, Ha, Ha.....
Regards,
I'm a little confused, perhaps the dates are just off and I never saw any other commentary on the xbr2 problems you experienced.
Anyway, what model panasonic did you end up with?
for reference, I have the xbr1 60" (2nd set) with a feb 2006 build date with a slight uniformity problem, so I'm aware of the (seemingly ongoing?) issues.
reincarnate 12-28-06, 02:08 AM Realize that whenever you criticize the Sony name the brand loyalty affliction takes over and attack the messenger mode sets in:)
For the latest scoop on the green blob here is a good write-up:
http://www.guidetohometheater.com/rearprojectiontvs/1206sonykdsr60xbr2/index5.html
sperezmore 12-28-06, 09:29 AM Hmm, I was looking at your posts to see which model panasonic you bought and found your post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9203014&&#post9203014) of 12/18 that shows your happy with the a2000 quoted here:
I'm a little confused, perhaps the dates are just off and I never saw any other commentary on the xbr2 problems you experienced.
Anyway, what model panasonic did you end up with?
for reference, I have the xbr1 60" (2nd set) with a feb 2006 build date with a slight uniformity problem, so I'm aware of the (seemingly ongoing?) issues.
Yes, the days are off. I had the 60A2000 for a week and the 60XBR2 for 3 days and both had uniformity color issues and green tint faces.
I know that any TV of any brand will have problems and issues but I refuse to pay any kind of money for a defective product no matter how much I want to like or keep it. Out of the box you have the "WOW" factor, after that, everything went to hell for me. Twice.
I ended up with a Plasma 50': Panasonic TH-50PX60U . So far I am pleased but that does not mean that I will not have any problems of any kind in the future.
Finally I can say for certain: I do not see green people.
Regards,
Ahhh, thanks for the update sperezmore. I'll check out the panny.
I watched my xbr1 with a critical eye last night and the uniformity was actaully pretty decent compared to photos of 'new optical block' replacements that I've seen posted. So I think I will sit tight (and with my ext. warranty) and not have mine replaced for now. I'm also under 700 hours and I've seen quite a few people experience the large yellow stain issue with a few more hours on the set. Having that happen may be in the future and perhaps if and when it occurs, a third generation SXRD may have tamed the uniformity issues and a replacement to an XBR3? might be offered if the OB swapouts don't work out.
For now, at almost 11 months, I'm real pleased with the xbr1 display, it's just when a grayish or b&w scene is shown, I start to notice some uniformity discoloration.
sperezmore 12-28-06, 11:26 AM tbAVS,
You welcome. Enjoy your XBR1
Regards,
Reincarnate: Of course you read this part of the review also? Regardless of some of these sets having these issues, it still has one of the best pictures money can buy for this size set.
Quote From Ultimate AV:
"The Bottom Line
If you don't mind spending the cash (and this is certainly no bargain basement set), in my opinion money can't buy you a better RPTV than the Sony KDS-R60XBR2. While this review is of the 60" version, my personal experiences with larger 70" model have been at least as positive. Other sets can match it in some aspects of picture quality, and even better it in color accuracy. And most of them are much cheaper. But no other set I've seen this year can match this picture overall, once it's calibrated and adjusted properly.
Much of this has to do with contrast and those stunning blacks, but it also involves unquestionable superiority in noise and artifact elimination and superior focus, especially when showing motion. In features, the XBR2 has all the useful bells and whistles you could ask for, and I found very few design oversights that would either compromise video quality or cause inconvenient operation.
The silver side-speakers that can't be removed (60" version) have kept many potential buyers from fitting this set into their spaces and home décor. But the side speakers, the slightly exaggerated colors, a slight lack of screen uniformity, and maybe a quibble with the screen itself are my only real objections. Usually, I compile a much longer and more serious list of grievances in a TV review.
Except for their ability to hang on the wall, I would probably never pick a plasma or LCD set of this size or less over the XBR2. They just can't match this picture on such a wide variety of programming—they don't have the blacks. So, if you see one of these 60" XBR2s at a dealer's showroom or a friend's house and it doesn't knock your socks off, something is definitely set up wrong, because it sure can!"
Tichondrius 12-28-06, 01:11 PM Yes, the days are off. I had the 60A2000 for a week and the 60XBR2 for 3 days and both had uniformity color issues and green tint faces.
I know that any TV of any brand will have problems and issues but I refuse to pay any kind of money for a defective product no matter how much I want to like or keep it. Out of the box you have the "WOW" factor, after that, everything went to hell for me. Twice.
I ended up with a Plasma 50': Panasonic TH-50PX60U . So far I am pleased but that does not mean that I will not have any problems of any kind in the future.
Finally I can say for certain: I do not see green people.
Regards,
do you know the story about the boy that cried wolf ? how do we know that your current short term "happiness" with the panasonic plasma won't change, and you'll decide you don't like it anymore ? just like you were in "heaven" over the sony, and ended up returning it, your post about the panny has the same value to others - none.
Auditor55 12-28-06, 03:29 PM do you know the story about the boy that cried wolf ? how do we know that your current short term "happiness" with the panasonic plasma won't change, and you'll decide you don't like it anymore ? just like you were in "heaven" over the sony, and ended up returning it, your post about the panny has the same value to others - none.
Take it from me, he won't regret buying the Panny unless he gets the urge for a larger size panel. He's already has indicated that he might purchase a larger size 1080p Plasma.
Once you go flat panel you can't go back to RPTV.
Auditor55 12-28-06, 03:34 PM Except for their ability to hang on the wall, I would probably never pick a plasma or LCD set of this size or less over the XBR2. They just can't match this picture on such a wide variety of programming—they don't have the blacks. So, if you see one of these 60" XBR2s at a dealer's showroom or a friend's house and it doesn't knock your socks off, something is definitely set up wrong, because it sure can!"
Have you seen the 65' 1080p Panny Plasma? The SXRD's don't even come close. In my opinion, RPTV cannot compete with the direct view PQ of flat panel TV.
audiomixer 12-28-06, 05:09 PM Have you seen the 65' 1080p Panny Plasma? The SXRD's don't even come close. In my opinion, RPTV cannot compete with the direct view PQ of flat panel TV.
Except for the PIXELS!!!
Auditor55 12-28-06, 05:42 PM Except for the PIXELS!!!
OK, except for the pixels.
WaldorfSalad 12-28-06, 05:57 PM OK, except for the pixels....and the very reflective screen. :D
Steve S 12-28-06, 06:37 PM And the extra load on the AC in the summer time, though you will save on heating bills in the winter.
WOLVERNOLE 12-28-06, 08:24 PM And the extra load on the AC in the summer time, though you will save on heating bills in the winter.
:D
Sergio-
Any clay faces with the Panny ? The plasma folks bemoan the plasma "clay face" people as opposed to the Sony "green face people." I have heard that taking the Panasonic OF of VIVID, mostly seen in 480i material, virtually solves this. Comments?
sperezmore 12-29-06, 01:24 AM WOLVERNOLE,
No clay faces with the Panny so far (standard mode). I ended up with what makes me happy and that's the bottom line. Going from 65' (old Toshiba HD CRT RPTV) to 60' (SXRD & XBR2) to finally 50' (Panasonic Plasma) was a big issue for me and of course how much money I was ready to spend. The PQ, (IMHO) was no contest . Plasma all the way.
In two years when prices come down I will go for a 60'-65' Plasma 1080p and the 50' will go to my bedroom.
Regards,
reincarnate 12-29-06, 04:36 AM Reincarnate: Of course you read this part of the review also? Regardless of some of these sets having these issues, it still has one of the best pictures money can buy for this size set.
I am the first one anywhere who recommended the XBR2 displays. Then UMR followed a few weeks later. Many here were shocked as if the problem had been me. No! (It was and still is Sony's problem). Now four months later UAV agrees with my opinion. Good news for everyone:)
Now what is it you are you talking about? What is the "it" you describe? As far as I've seen the XBR2 does not have these green blob issues. In hindsight my distinct displeasure with the immature SXRD technology (in the XBR1 only) was completely called for. Any fool could see the defective displays at most any store. I held up perfectly under the expected intense, blind and frequently hateful pressure (actually the sheer stupidity was humorous).
Those who bought the XBR1 simply based upon brand name recognition got what they deserved. Everyone needs to be branded once with defective new technology to gain wisdom (and that lifelong scar).
The irony is that the XBR2 rear projector appears to offer better and more consistent picture quality (processing, panel uniformity and focus) than the SXRD front projectors (the Ruby and Pearl). But don't tell that to those owners as they be just as furious. History does repeat itself.
Auditor55 12-29-06, 10:32 AM Color uniformity issues still exist with the XBR2
see owners pic of the green haze.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=730418&page=123&pp=30
As I said in another thread, I noticed it on a XBR2 at Circuit City.
Auditor55 12-29-06, 10:34 AM :D
Sergio-
Any clay faces with the Panny ? The plasma folks bemoan the plasma "clay face" people as opposed to the Sony "green face people." I have heard that taking the Panasonic OF of VIVID, mostly seen in 480i material, virtually solves this. Comments?
No clay faces on my Panny and absolutely no SSE.
AtlPaul 12-29-06, 10:51 AM do you know the story about the boy that cried wolf ? how do we know that your current short term "happiness" with the panasonic plasma won't change, and you'll decide you don't like it anymore ? just like you were in "heaven" over the sony, and ended up returning it, your post about the panny has the same value to others - none.And yours - even less.
WaldorfSalad 12-29-06, 11:55 AM No clay faces on my Panny and absolutely no SSE.Clay faces are very noticeable on the Panny plasmas in stores if the display has not been set up properly. They need to be taken out of "vivid" mode and have the sharpness backed down to look right.
WaldorfSalad 12-29-06, 12:22 PM I am the first one anywhere who recommended the XBR2 displays. Then UMR followed a few weeks later. Many here were shocked as if the problem had been me. No! (It was and still is Sony's problem). Now four months later UAV agrees with my opinion. Good news for everyone:)
Now what is it you are you talking about? What is the "it" you describe? As far as I've seen the XBR2 does not have these green blob issues. In hindsight my distinct displeasure with the immature SXRD technology (in the XBR1 only) was completely called for. Any fool could see the defective displays at most any store. I held up perfectly under the expected intense, blind and frequently hateful pressure (actually the sheer stupidity was humorous).
Those who bought the XBR1 simply based upon brand name recognition got what they deserved. Everyone needs to be branded once with defective new technology to gain wisdom (and that lifelong scar).
The irony is that the XBR2 rear projector appears to offer better and more consistent picture quality (processing, panel uniformity and focus) than the SXRD front projectors (the Ruby and Pearl). But don't tell that to those owners as they be just as furious. History does repeat itself.IMO, you lost all credibility around here when you were on your seemingly endless SXRD-bashing rampages earlier this year along with your accomplices.
Jay_Davis 12-29-06, 02:30 PM I've got to admit that the "Wow its great" followed by the "I returned it and the XBR2" posts are really suspicious.
Despite Autitor55's repetitive BS, I looked at that Panasonic and, I'm sorry, but the lower resolution and pixel gaps just don't cut it even though the Panasonic was better than other plasmas in that price range. Sure, a much more expensive 1080p plasma is pretty nice, but that's a completely different price ballpark, and proves nothing other than if you spend a lot more money you can get something better.
I went for the 50" A2000 and now, after 5 months, it's still perfect and still looks incredible.
audiomixer 12-29-06, 02:37 PM I've got to admit that the "Wow its great" followed by the "I returned it and the XBR2" posts are really suspicious.
Despite Autitor55's repetitive BS, I looked at that Panasonic and, I'm sorry, but the lower resolution and pixel gaps just don't cut it even though the Panasonic was better than other plasmas in that price range. Sure, a much more expensive 1080p plasma is pretty nice, but that's a completely different price ballpark, and proves nothing other than if you spend a lot more money you can get something better.
I went for the 50" A2000 and now, after 5 months, it's still perfect and still looks incredible.
I couldn't agree with you more!!!
Auditor55 12-29-06, 02:50 PM I went for the 50" A2000 and now, after 5 months, it's still perfect and still looks incredible.
How noticeable is the difference in resolution on a 50 inch screen, Come on!! :rolleyes:
I'm so sick and tired of folks stricken with pixel madness I don't know what to do. If that's all you look for when deciding to choose a display its a no wonder you feel the way that you do.
There aren't any clay faces on the Panny and what idiot watches their display, regardless of the technology, in the torch mode.
By the way, A2000 doesn't come close to the direct view picture of the Panny plasma. My Panny plasma has a deeper, richer, sharper and more vibrant picture than the A2000. The SXRD's do have better fill factor, but at a seating distance of 9 feet I can't even notice the pixel gaps. The SXRD's picture is much softer than my Panny Plasma. The only regret I'm having with my Panny is that I wish I would have bought the 58 instead of the 50.
1080p on a screen size of 50 inches is useless.
audiomixer 12-29-06, 02:57 PM How noticeable is the difference in resolution on a 50 inch screen, Come on!! :rolleyes:
1080p on a screen size of 50 inches is useless.
YOU ARE CRAZY!!! (But we all know that already...)
1080p on a screen size of 50 inches is useless.
If you're saying 1080p on a screen size of 50 in is useless, at what screen size does a 1080p become useful? (serious question)
Auditor55 12-29-06, 03:28 PM If you're saying 1080p on a screen size of 50 in is useless, at what screen size does a 1080p become useful? (serious question)
Yes it is unless you are sitting ridicuously close to the set. Human acuity limitations won't allow us to detect the extra detail of 1080p on screen size of 50 inches at about 7 feet and beyond.
Yes it is unless you are sitting ridicuously close to the set. Human acuity limitations won't allow us to detect the extra detail of 1080p on screen size of 50 inches at about 7 feet and beyond.
at what screen size does a 1080p become useful?
Auditor55 12-29-06, 03:41 PM at what screen size does a 1080p become useful?
Let ask you a question, how far do you sit from your set?
Also, you might want to check out this thread.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=776327
Auditor55:
There are numerous complaints about clay faces in the Panny plasmas threads.
You know what...if you don't like what is being said over here in the RP HDTVs forum you could always stay in the Panny plasmas forum. I'm sure you could think of something to complain about over there while you continue to wait for SED. :rolleyes:
Btw, there are more benefits to 1080p sets than just pixel count.
P.S. Now that you have a 768p set you're bashing 1080p. You weren't against 1080p when you bought (and returned) several 1080p sets.
Clay faces is caused by being incorrectly setup. Its really easy to fix.
WaldorfSalad 12-29-06, 03:48 PM Clay faces is caused by being incorrectly setup. Its really easy to fix.I know, I mentioned that earlier. I used to go around the Panny plasmas in the store and adjust them to remove the clay faces that were there by default.
However, Auditor55 claimed there are no clay faces with the Panny plasmas. IMHO, he appears to believe he can say whatever he wants and expects people to believe him without question.
Let ask you a question, how far do you sit from your set?
I sit around 5 1/2-7 ft from the TV...Would a 50-56" 1080p be useful in this case?
Auditor55 12-29-06, 03:58 PM I sit around 5 1/2-7 ft from the TV...Would a 50-56" 1080p be useful in this case?
I believe you see the extra detail at that distance before getting extreme eye strain and headaches particular if you are watching a bulb based display.
Personally I don't think its wise to put your eye close to a light bulb so you can see the words 100 watts GE :p
WaldorfSalad 12-29-06, 04:06 PM I believe you see the extra detail at that distance before getting extreme eye strain and headaches particular if you are watching a bulb based display.
Personally I don't think its wise to put your eye close to a light bulb so you can see the words 100 watts GE :pSo now you're implying that people will get extreme eye strain and headaches if viewing a 50-56" bulb-based display from 6-7' away? Why is that? Brightness? More pixels (1080p)? Non-reflective screen? No SDE? Seems to me that based on your logic people will also get extreme eye strain and headaches if viewing a 50" plasma display from 6-7' away. Or is there something magical about a 768p 50" plasma that allows you to watch it from 6-7' away without get extreme eye strain and headaches?
sperezmore 12-29-06, 06:58 PM Auditor55,
Thank you for your support. It was really tough for me to go from 65' to 50' because of my viewing distance (10 feet) but the Panasonic is a beauty to behold. I wish I had more money to spend and go bigger but in time (2 years) I will be ready for a 60'-65' 1080p Plasma
I know that my future pick will be probably between Panasonic and Pioneer.
It is true what you say. When you go the flat panel road you never come back to a RPTV.
Life is good and the Panny is great.
Regards,
Jay_Davis 01-01-07, 05:52 PM How noticeable is the difference in resolution on a 50 inch screen, Come on!! :rolleyes:
I'm so sick and tired of folks stricken with pixel madness I don't know what to do. If that's all you look for when deciding to choose a display its a no wonder you feel the way that you do.
There aren't any clay faces on the Panny and what idiot watches their display, regardless of the technology, in the torch mode.
By the way, A2000 doesn't come close to the direct view picture of the Panny plasma. My Panny plasma has a deeper, richer, sharper and more vibrant picture than the A2000. The SXRD's do have better fill factor, but at a seating distance of 9 feet I can't even notice the pixel gaps. The SXRD's picture is much softer than my Panny Plasma. The only regret I'm having with my Panny is that I wish I would have bought the 58 instead of the 50.
1080p on a screen size of 50 inches is useless.
I'm so sick of your half-fact arguments. What matters is the size to distance ratio, not the size itself. From 7 feet on a 50 inch screen IT MATTERS!!!! The Panny lost vs the SXRD, period, hands down. If I needed something to hang on the wall, I'd buy the Panny (or burn a lot more money for something better), but I don't, so I didn't.
audiomixer 01-01-07, 05:56 PM I'm so sick of your half-fact arguments. What matters is the size to distance ratio, not the size itself. From 7 feet on a 50 inch screen IT MATTERS!!!! The Panny lost vs the SXRD, period, hands down. If I needed something to hang on the wall, I'd buy the Panny (or burn a lot more money for something better), but I don't, so I didn't.
Right On!!! :D
Auditor55 is so, well...ODD!!!
HTMAN21 01-01-07, 06:54 PM I believe you see the extra detail at that distance before getting extreme eye strain and headaches particular if you are watching a bulb based display.
Personally I don't think its wise to put your eye close to a light bulb so you can see the words 100 watts GE :p
Auditor55, when did you come out of the closet. Of course I am referring the dark closet where you spent so much time with your CRT. If memory serves me correctly you hated micro displays. What has changed?
Auditor55 01-02-07, 11:10 AM Right On!!! :D
Auditor55 is so, well...ODD!!!
You call me odd. You are the person responsible for making the green blob famous and now you hate anyone that brings it up. :confused:
Auditor55 01-02-07, 11:19 AM Auditor55, when did you come out of the closet. Of course I am referring the dark closet where you spent so much time with your CRT. If memory serves me correctly you hated micro displays. What has changed?
I got tricked :( Tricked into myth that microdisplays have improved and now have CRT blacks. FALSE. Tricked into the 1080p hype machine of microdisplays. After owning several 1080p Lcos microdisplays and not really seeing how much 1080p makes a difference, I settled into 720p plasma and flat panel LCD. I will never go back to RPTV, it can't compete with the direct view PQ of flat panel and I don't care how many pixels they have. I used to argue with Plasma owners about this, but now I see the light.
btw, getting rid of my Mits Diamond CRT RPTV was the biggest mistake I made. It plunged me into microdisplay hell.
I can't understand all the hype around the XBR2 its pretty much the same TV PQ wise as the XBR1. After looking at plasma the SXRD's look so soft in comparison.
I got tricked :( Tricked into myth that microdisplays have improved and now have CRT blacks. FALSE. Tricked into the 1080p hype machine of microdisplays. After owning several 1080p Lcos microdisplays and not really seeing how much 1080p makes a difference, I settled into 720p plasma and flat panel LCD. I will never go back to RPTV, it can't compete with the direct view PQ of flat panel and I don't care how many pixels they have. I used to argue with Plasma owners about this, but now I see the light.
btw, getting rid of my Mits Diamond CRT RPTV was the biggest mistake I made. It plunged me into microdisplay hell.
I can't understand all the hype around the XBR2 its pretty much the same TV PQ wise as the XBR1. After looking at plasma the SXRD's look so soft in comparison.
Pee Uuuuuu
WaldorfSalad 01-02-07, 12:56 PM ...I will never go back to RPTV...Doesn't seem to stop you keep coming back to the RP TV forum to thread-crap though! :rolleyes:
audiomixer 01-02-07, 01:20 PM You call me odd. You are the person responsible for making the green blob famous and now you hate anyone that brings it up. :confused:
I don't hate them. It's just that you make it sound like EVERY SXRD is bad.
I had a bad one...got a good replacement! Very Happy! Very happy with Sony!
And I wanted a 60" set without spending $8-10,000 for a pixelated, reflective screen plasma! :rolleyes:
Auditor55 01-02-07, 01:57 PM I don't hate them. It's just that you make it sound like EVERY SXRD is bad.
I had a bad one...got a good replacement! Very Happy! Very happy with Sony!
And I wanted a 60" set without spending $8-10,000 for a pixelated, reflective screen plasma! :rolleyes:
I certainly understand that the plasma reflective doesn't work for you. I strongly think Plasma needs to improve in that area. Its not a problem for me because I have a somewhat light controlled room. Yes $8-10,000 is crazy, fortunately I did not pay that much for plasma.
I don't think I've ever said that all SXRD's are bad. I think if you have a good one you have a pretty decent TV.
Auditor55 01-02-07, 01:59 PM Doesn't seem to stop you keep coming back to the RP TV forum to thread-crap though! :rolleyes:
Well as a previous owner of many RPTV's I feel that my expirence with them can help others to make purchasing decisions.
WaldorfSalad 01-02-07, 02:07 PM Well as a previous owner of many RPTV's...Just how many RTPVS have you owned? Did you keep any of them for longer than a week or two? Did you actually "own" those RPTVs or just "borrow" them from a store? I would think people would like to hear advice from those that have actually owned thier TV for more than just a brief period of time.
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