Hi guys. New here first post. So I finally get a PS3 a few days ago. I was under the impression it would display 1080i. BTW I have a Hitachi Ultravision 53 in. from 2002 and my tv is only 1080i/540p/480p. Blu ray movies look great. Played resistance and it absolutely sucks. Mine as well play PS2. With no fix in sight I will probably return it. Played COD 3 on 360 and that is a whole different story. I thought about keeping PS3 for Blu Ray movies for a minute but Sony's ignorance makes me not want to give them the sale nor buy the a2000 60 in. I have in my sights. Luckily it seems I have a good model that is quiet and does not lock up. All DD and DTS plays fine. I dont foresee a fix in the near future. For what it is worth standard dvd looks better and I think my tv upscaled to 1080i because I had to adjust my aspect ratio for a standard dvd.

OK. I feel better. Needed to complain a bit in a place where people understand me. It frustrates me because I always liked Sony and never had a gripe. Things wear, they break, but the PS3 thing is just plain retarded. I sent SONY an email and although my opinion doesent count I advised they should check all the forums around including their own. There are tens of thousands of potential customers who feel this way.

You can always repurchase when you get a diff TV and/or there is a fix for the issue. As for TV's CES is coming up so maybe wait to see what's coming out in 2007? Might as well jump on the HDMI1.3 bandwagon! :)

When I saw Killzone 2 was coming out in July I decided I wanted one. I may return and purchase around the summer time and see what kind of bugs they fixed. I am due for a new tv anyway but waiting til sales are best. BB should have their best sales this Sunday a rep told me.

I would only imagine SONY is getting hammered from everyone about down conversion issue. I will be upset if it a hardware fix only b/c then I am screwed.

FYI - Sony will probably fix this pretty quicky, it was definitely more of an "oversight" in the launch software and not a shortcoming in the hardware. The PS3 has more than enough power to re-scale the game output to whatever format your TV might require. I would expect either an OS patch or individual game patches, and increased requirements for software makers to support scaling before releasing titles, whichever route they take, I don't expect the status quo will remain for long.

I think they just underestimated how many people have set that can't handle 720p.

You're right, maybe I overreacted.
I'm just so sick of all the haters.

I hear you brother the console wars make the optical wars look like fuzzy animals... In any case I am almost totally neutral. Just need a Wii and D-VHS.

I hear you brother the console wars make the optical wars look like fuzzy animals... In any case I am almost totally neutral. Just need a Wii and D-VHS.
I have them all :D :D :D

All I want to add is buy a PC and all your problems go away. Consoles pfff....

Besides, PC's equal drivers, viruses, and Windows.


Debunk....
I have a "PC" that runs Linux and one that runs OSX. They all have drivers and exploits. I also have a cell phone that performs many of the same functions as a "PC" with no Windows in sight. :)

At this point, the consoles are far, far more powerful from a CPU perspective than any PC is, and this time, this lead will be maintained for quite a bit longer than in previous generations, me thinks.

The current series of consoles (with the exception of Wii) are using more than just the basic re-purposed processors of yesteryear - they have specially designed floating point monsters with multiple cores (3 symmetric for the 360, 1 + 7 SPE's for the PS3) designed specifically for the rigors of gaming.

Besides, PC's equal drivers, viruses, and Windows.

The PS3/Wii/360, regardless of your position on them (and if you're a gamer, not a fanboy, your position is you want all 3 if you have the financial means), offer hassle free, insert-disc/play-game functionality.

At 11:00pm when I just want to zone out, I far prefer that - regardless of the higher CPU power.

I would disagree. The PS3 really only has one general purpose core processor. It's a 3.2Ghz PowerPC based chip which I believe is somewhat stripped down to run at a lower clock speed. The unit only has 256MB of RAM as well. I would guess a nice celeron machine would run Linux better than the PS3.

The Xbox 360 has (3) general purpose cores of whcih are 3.2GHz PowerPC based but I believe they are also stripped down. It does have 512MB of memory available though.

The reason developers find the 360 easier to desgin software for is because they don't have to specialize the application around the hardware as much as one does for the PS3.

I've read a number of comments on other sites where people downplayed this problem and actually blamed consumers for purchasing "gimp" TVs! I was amazed that people had the nerve to blame consumers instead of Sony.

Ok....return it if you're not happy......I'm sure the store you bought it from will take it back no questions asked. Perhaps a year or two down the road, you'll reconsider and buy another one.

Well I know this much, I am returning Resistance today. Some games are displayed in 480p to 1080p so we are going to depend on the developers for this issue. At least what Sony said. They can't fix the harware but pressure the developer to make them in all formats. Seems easy enough to me. Not too many releases until a few months it seems.

I am not bashing the system because I feel the games are going to be great. I will say as far as a Blu Ray player mine is fast and no issues on shut down or anything. My wife likes the resident evil series and played it on the PS3 and it didn't look the best but was playable. I may be over reacting.

Also got someone to buy my Hitachi for 600 to put towards another TV. I may keep it yet.

There's a massive firmware update coming in March in time for the European launch. I don't recall if they said it will address the scaling issues, but considering it's the number one most talked about problem next to the lack of a true multitasking OS you can bet they're working on it.

By Sony's standards they are blaming the software developers for not making the games in other formats but Sony is the developer of RFOM. Go figure

RFOM plays great here. I don't regret the purchsae at all-unlike my 360 purchase. It might be time to add a second HDTV to the inventory.

My PS3 is becoming an expensive dust collector. Don't want to pay the Blu Ray disc prices ($30+ for decade old movies?!) and there isn't very many games I want to play yet. Hoping, and glad I got a 360 for Christmas in the meantime.

Yes, the PS3 does have one general purpose core... but the 7 other cores for floating point vector math (which well written games take advantage of) are where the computational power of the PS3 comes from.

Everything I have read so far state that currently 1 of the 8 SPE's has been disabled to keep yields up so that leaves 1 for the system and 6 for everything else.

I think they plan on making all games 1080p which will easily dowscale to what ever your chosen resolution is. WHich is why the upscale feature was overlooked.
Much in the same way that sony IMO plans for 50gb BD's to be the rule soon rather than the acception. Just my prediction.

My PS3 is becoming an expensive dust collector. Don't want to pay the Blu Ray disc prices ($30+ for decade old movies?!) and there isn't very many games I want to play yet. Hoping, and glad I got a 360 for Christmas in the meantime.


Try Amazon to buy and Netflix to rent.

i've got a couple coming from netflix, but I think they come from mars. My discs normally arrive in LESS than a day, now it is three days on since shipping.

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My PS3 is becoming an expensive dust collector. Don't want to pay the Blu Ray disc prices ($30+ for decade old movies?!) and there isn't very many games I want to play yet. Hoping, and glad I got a 360 for Christmas in the meantime.


Try Amazon to buy and Netflix to rent.

It does get a little old hearing people complain about spending 30 dollars for a disc doesnt it. Ive 64 BD discs and have never spent more than 24.99. Most are usually less. Car Salesman must love a lot of these people.

I sure am glad you have 64 BD discs....
Until you know everyone's story (including inept mail delivery that sends stuff to three houses over many times a year), don't be so cocky.

I sure am glad you have 64 BD discs....
Until you know everyone's story (including inept mail delivery that sends stuff to three houses over many times a year), don't be so cocky.

Its not just the mail. Target, Walmart, etc. Ive heard people on hear say the had target and best buy price match eachothers and amazons online prices. Or you can even have them sent to a friend or family member in a different neighborhood. Im just saying there are options. And also I wasnt just directing that comment to you. I see it on numerous threads by numerous people complaing that their local best buy has a movie for 34.99 and they buy it without even looking around and then come on here and complain about it. Sorry if I offended you.

Debunk....
I have a "PC" that runs Linux and one that runs OSX. They all have drivers and exploits. I also have a cell phone that performs many of the same functions as a "PC" with no Windows in sight. :)

And how much gaming do you do on it? ;)

I took mine back as well. I will probably get another one in a year or so, but it depends on what blu-ray titles are released.

i'am amazed by everyone bitching about $34 per movie when you just paid $500-600 for a ps3. lets go back to 97 when dvd came out. the cheapest was $29-39 and they were a pain to find any place selling them. no target,wallmart, hell the only place was fry's. blu ray and Hd dvd came to those stores hell lot faster and were cheaper most bd movies are $19-27 same as HD dvd.

i'am amazed by everyone bitching about $34 per movie when you just paid $500-600 for a ps3. lets go back to 97 when dvd came out. the cheapest was $29-39 and they were a pain to find any place selling them. no target,wallmart, hell the only place was fry's. blu ray and Hd dvd came to those stores hell lot faster and were cheaper most bd movies are $19-27 same as HD dvd.
Actually, I am surprised folks are paying that much (be it BD or HD-DVD) to watch movies they already saw in SD DVD!!

But I agree with you. When someone blows that much dough on a platform while knowing the movie price ahead of time, there is no reason to complain about price.

-T

Actually, I am surprised folks are paying that much (be it BD or HD-DVD) to watch movies they already saw in SD DVD!!

But I agree with you. When someone blows that much dough on a platform while knowing the movie price ahead of time, there is no reason to complain about price.

-T

Agreed. I'm mostly going the rental route for most of my HD-DVD and Blu-Ray titles, except for those movies that I know I'll watch repeatedly. I would suggest that to those who are complaining about the price of the movies (didn't you take a look at the prices before you bought the console?) My mother, who is not the most tech-savvy person, is currently considering purchasing a HD-DVD player. She's already looked online and at Best Buy at the prices of the HD-DVDs. I would imagine most informed consumers would do the same before making a major purchase like this.

Get real.

You have fun playing "next gen" games on any of those. Mac games are notoriously delayed compared to their Windows counterparts, Linux games are virtually non-existent (unless you want to run them in emulation, which has it's own raft of problems), and cell phone gaming is hardly comparable.

If you want to game on computers, Windows is where you need to go, and therein lies the problem.

Nice try, though.
I was just sticking it to your "PC" = Windows point. :)

Just an update. After a long and drawn out thread at ps forum finally realized my tv can handle the 720p so I will be keeping it.

I've read a number of comments on other sites where people downplayed this problem and actually blamed consumers for purchasing "gimp" TVs! I was amazed that people had the nerve to blame consumers instead of Sony.

Amazingly enough, there were a decent number of those people around here when the system first launched. It was ugly :(

My PS3 is becoming an expensive dust collector. Don't want to pay the Blu Ray disc prices ($30+ for decade old movies?!) and there isn't very many games I want to play yet. Hoping, and glad I got a 360 for Christmas in the meantime.

Couple of days ago I bought several BD DVD's for less then $10 each after the rebate that came with the PS3's.

Got my son Tony Hawk, not bad. Not great. Looking forward to Motosport (sp?).

Look it is a brand new systems, games will come. But heck, I threw on SSX Tricky from PS2 and it played well.

I can't seem to turn mine off! I've been using mine to browse the forums, play Madden, and watch the "overpriced" blu-ray disc that I own. I have paid the same price for my BD movies as I have the HD-DVD movies I own. I guess quality is worth a few bucks more when you pay the price you for an HDTV(why else do you buy an HDTV when SDTVs can be had for next to nothing now, if quality is of no matter to a person?).

I've read a number of comments on other sites where people downplayed this problem and actually blamed consumers for purchasing "gimp" TVs! I was amazed that people had the nerve to blame consumers instead of Sony.
That is why you still have Sony fanboys. Consumer who think that they deserve a good product for their money will never have that mentality and will not root for Sony. I used to like Sony when I was an ignorant teenager but now that I have to earn money by working hard, I no longer see Sony as the best CE company. I can have as good a product if not better with other respectable brands. Sony pisses me off in so many domain whether it's their DVDs, flash memory, CDs, you name it. I don't even like their movies. Right now, I can't think of a movie that comes from Sony's studio that I like. Oh, maybe Lawrence of Arabia and Bridge on the River Kwai.

I'm confused - the PS3 will not output 1080i? So anyone without an 1080p set has to view in 720p?

I'm confused - the PS3 will not output 1080i? So anyone without an 1080p set has to view in 720p?

ps3 does output in 1080i for bd movies. What it doesnt do is upscale ps3 games that are authored in 720p up to 1080i. These games output in 720p to displays that can handle 720p input. For displays that cannot deal with 720p the ps3 downrez to 480p. Last word I heard is this is not fixable with firmware update.

ps3 does output in 1080i for bd movies. What it doesnt do is upscale ps3 games that are authored in 720p up to 1080i. These games output in 720p to displays that can handle 720p input. For displays that cannot deal with 720p the ps3 downrez to 480p. Last word I heard is this is not fixable with firmware update.

Sony has never officially said one way or another whether it is fixable via firmware, it's just been speculation (informed or otherwise) by 3rd parties.

I found a 20GB PS3 and I'm tempted to take it back, so I can get the 60GB wifi version!

i'm willing to bet anything that the 60GB won't be in stock when you get there...

ps3 does output in 1080i for bd movies. What it doesnt do is upscale ps3 games that are authored in 720p up to 1080i. These games output in 720p to displays that can handle 720p input. For displays that cannot deal with 720p the ps3 downrez to 480p. Last word I heard is this is not fixable with firmware update.

Ok just so I'm clear on this - I have an HD plasma that displays in 720p & 1080i. When I setup my PS3 I set my max resolution at 1080i (my preference when viewing over HDMI). So does the PS3 automatically just display it in 720p or do I need to go back and check this setting as well?

I played Tiger Woods golf and it looked pretty good, but I want to make sure I get the most out of my system and play games in the best HD my TV can handle.

Thanks!

i'm willing to bet anything that the 60GB won't be in stock when you get there...


I'll take that bet. My local Wal-mart has had the 60gb in stock about 6 of the last 8 times I've been there. I went shopping this last weekend and the local Bestbuy had several 60gb units in stock, and Target and EB Games had them in stock as well.

Yes, check the resolutions your set supports, so this includes 720p. I believe tiger woods golf is a 720p title , so without 720p checked you've been playing it in 480p.

i'm willing to bet anything that the 60GB won't be in stock when you get there...


I just saw a Wal-Mart with THREE 60GB models in stock last night. I took it there today, but they wouldn't do an exchange without a receipt. I then took it to the location where I bought it, and they reprinted my receipt. They also had a 60GB in stock. Unfortunately, I had forgotten the composite video cable! I then had to find it, and return once again. After two hours of driving around and waiting in line, I finally had my 60GB PS3. :D