Hello wondering if ppl would post #,s to see if we are all close. Or can differant eyes see diff things and or I would guess the DVD player would have to make some diff also? Anyway my setup is Denon DVD 2910--HDMI direct to--- Panny 50px60u.
To get the last 2 white boxes on the ramp scale to not clip i had to turn down my DVD players contrast 3 points and i also turned the sharpness all the way down for both sharpness settings. Useing DVE starting from 0 settings on the Plasma i ended up with." [EDIT] all Black enhancers off TV and DVD player"
Picture: +15
Brightness: -6
Color: +1
Tint: -6
Sharpness: +8 [Edit]= (Put DVD player back to 0 on both sharpness controls and redid TV and am at +1 now)
Color Temp: Normal
Color Mng.: Off

Anyone that can confirm if im blind or close. I must say i think the picture looks great! Wondering though if having Both sharpness settings at there lowest setting on the DVD player has lead me to a bad Sharpness setting for when Veiwing non DVD pictures (Cable TV,Card slots,PS2 ect..)

Don't know this display, but color temp warm is often closest to D65. Sometimes it's too red though.

aye even the DVE mentioned that. If i remember they said most will like warm mode but not 100% so, Is there a best Pattern or something that can help me decide if Normal or Warm is best ? Maybe the red Blue green filter test ? And when to check it now after i calibrated or Change to Warm then recalibrate with all others on 0/neutral ? I do see a little diff when switching it Norm<--->Warm. Seems like warm makes the whites a little Offwhite but thats not recalibratded either???

Hello wondering if ppl would post #,s to see if we are all close. Or can differant eyes see diff things and or I would guess the DVD player would have to make some diff also? Anyway my setup is Denon DVD 2910--HDMI direct to--- Panny 50px60u.
To get the last 2 white boxes on the ramp scale to not clip i had to turn down my DVD players contrast 3 points and i also turned the sharpness all the way down for both sharpness settings. Useing DVE starting from 0 settings on the Plasma i ended up with." [EDIT] all Black enhancers off TV and DVD player"
Picture: +15
Brightness: -6
Color: +1
Tint: -6
Sharpness: +8 [Edit]= (Put DVD player back to 0 on both sharpness controls and redid TV and am at +1 now)
Color Temp: Normal
Color Mng.: Off

Anyone that can confirm if im blind or close. I must say i think the picture looks great! Wondering though if having Both sharpness settings at there lowest setting on the DVD player has lead me to a bad Sharpness setting for when Veiwing non DVD pictures (Cable TV,Card slots,PS2 ect..)

As CW said Warm is usually closed to D65, but, it seem reddish. I think that's just red-push from a mistuned color decoder - easier to notice when the color temp isn't set to 120000000K or something. ;)

Did you look at the color squares through the red and green filters after you were done setting up the color and tint through the blue one? You may have to reduce color saturation a bit if any part of, say, the red appears too bright through the red filter, etc.

As for contrast and sharpness - set your DVD player's controls back to FACTORY - you are calibrating the display not the source!!! Hint, though. On my JVC combo the 0(minimum) position for sharpness is so soft that a dot-hatch pattern actually looks doubled, it's so blurry. Raising it to 1 eliminated that in a jiffy. Raising it to 2 or 3 did nothing.

Whenever I do a basic calibration I minimize(all the way left) the following controls: Contrast, Brightness, Color, and Sharpness. Then I set color temp to Warm, set picture mode to Movie or Custom, and disable SVM, DNIE, and any other flavoring.

THEN I do the actual calibration. Raise the contrast up until the top square just appears white. It should neither bloom(CRT), nor should the square just below it match it in color(flat technology) - this is called crushing the whites. Nor should you hear planes circling your house after raising the contrast control - this means you have set it too high and pilots are mistaking it for a guidance beacon. :eek:

Sharpness: raise until you see lines added to black text in DVE overscan pattern. You may need to "rock" the control back & forth until you see the moment this happens. This is why I like AVIA's sharpness pattern and would not hesitate to use it on HD TVs - you can really see the effect as you raise sharpness up & down. Your final setting WILL be much lower than you have it now.

Carry on with the rest and post your new numbers. Then pass the eggnog. ;)

regards,

OK reset DVD player to factory settings, Double checked "all Flavors turned off TV, Black enhancers ect....) I tried everything i could useing the Warm setting on the TV but all my brighter whites just seemed to have a yellowish tint to them. So here are new #s DVD reset and on Normal picture color.

Picture: +14
Brightness: -11
Color: +7
Tint: -4
Sharpness: -8
Color Temp: Normal
Color Mgr: Off

After getting the blue filter set for both Color and Tint, I looked through the red filter and the top Left and bottom right single squares were about 2-3 shades lighter then the perimeter red, and the top right and bottom left 2 squares were very close to the perimeter red maybe 1 shade off at most. Now for the green. The top row of 3 squares = Top left 1-2 shades darker then the green perimeter and the 2 squares next to it on the top line yet matched perimeter almost perfect. And bottom row was just the opposite, The 2 inside squares matched very nice to perimeter and the far right square was 1-2 shades darker. Gonna do some viewing now! See how it looks

OK reset DVD player to factory settings, Double checked "all Flavors turned off TV, Black enhancers ect....) I tried everything i could useing the Warm setting on the TV but all my brighter whites just seemed to have a yellowish tint to them. So here are new #s DVD reset and on Normal picture color.

Picture: +14
Brightness: -11
Color: +7
Tint: -4
Sharpness: -8
Color Temp: Normal
Color Mgr: Off

After getting the blue filter set for both Color and Tint, I looked through the red filter and the top Left and bottom right single squares were about 2-3 shades lighter then the perimeter red, and the top right and bottom left 2 squares were very close to the perimeter red maybe 1 shade off at most. Now for the green. The top row of 3 squares = Top left 1-2 shades darker then the green perimeter and the 2 squares next to it on the top line yet matched perimeter almost perfect. And bottom row was just the opposite, The 2 inside squares matched very nice to perimeter and the far right square was 1-2 shades darker. Gonna do some viewing now! See how it looks

Hmmmmm.
Warm is the closest - though, to D-65. If whites look that yellow then just raise contrast so that the top square is the lightest shade of "yellow" without, as before, blooming or blending of the lines of resolution together.

Your Contrast is down slightly. I just don't get your brightness/black level being down that far though. I must be the only one on this forum who ends up with the user contrast having to be lowered - and lower than user brightness, AND who ends up having to raise black level to just see the correct bars.
The sharpness setting showed the most improvement though - and you will see more of the source's own detail as a result.

It sounds like your decoder is not pushing any colors too much. Funny, I guess old direct-view CRTs had more color push issues - and oversaturation in general - than flat panel TVs - since CRTs are what I've done most of lately. I find the middle(default) color settings on most TVs - of any type - to be waaaaaaay too colorful. I end up having to cut color significantly to get that "you are there" effect with the picture, and that's after color alignment and decoder checks.

Well, check out some movies and broadcast material and let us know how it all looks.

regards,

I calibrated a 42" version of this set least week - the WARM setting was running a color temp of about 5700K before calibration (definitely too warm!).

While filters are not to be totally trusted for evaluating color decoder performance, you really can't judge decoder performance until you are SURE that the gray scale is right - and to do that you need GOOD instrumentation.

Hmm thanx both of you. Not sure if i can talk the wife into the $$$ for a ISF inhome calibration. Id sure like to do it though! After my last change it seems reds are glowing just a little bit??? atleast on TV havnt had the chance to use the dvd since yet.