What resolution (16:9) have you found to suit best for your G 70 ? Also do you prefer 72/75 Hz or 60/50 Hz.

I use mainly PAL film material and output from my VP50 to my G 70 1440 x 768@75 Hz but would like to hear if I should try something else :)

I’m using a 2500mm wide 16x9 1.25 screen with a Lumagen PRO feeding the G70 and after a lot of experimenting I now use:

PAL:
864p @ 75hz

NTSC:
720p @ 72hz

I was getting terrible motion judder at 50 and 60 hz – sorted when I moved to 75 / 72 hz

90% of what I watch is PAL film.

720p for upconverted NTSC DVD

1080i for Blu-Ray from the PS3

(I usually use 720p for PAL too but that's because I have very little PAL and I guess I'm lazy.)

What resolution (16:9) have you found to suit best for your G 70 ? Also do you prefer 72/75 Hz or 60/50 Hz.

I use mainly PAL film material and output from my VP50 to my G 70 1440 x 768@75 Hz but would like to hear if I should try something else :)

Where are you located? The answer really depends on whether you're using NTSC or PAL.

In either case though, I have found that the source determines the best resolution. I don't run standard definition DVDs at the same resolution as an HD source.

NTSC= 60 or 72 Hz and Pal is 50 or 75 Hz. There are arguments for each refresh rate and it also depends on the ultimate resolution chosen.

Where are you located? The answer really depends on whether you're using NTSC or PAL.


Since I wrote in my original post "I use mainly PAL film material" I thought that this would have give a pretty good clue about my situation :rolleyes:

Barcoed I think that "864p @ 75hz" you mean 1440 x 864 ? If so do you think that I can achieve the correct other values by using 1440 x 960 from VP50 and simply changing ver. res. from 960 to 864 ? = no need to change any other values ?

Has anyone personal experience any recommended resolution @ 50 Hz for PAL film or do you have same opinion as Barcoed = too much motion judder ? I remember reading that someone has been using 1920 x 864 @ 50 Hz for PAL film.

Since I wrote in my original post "I use mainly PAL film material" I thought that this would have give a pretty good clue about my situation :rolleyes:



You posted BOTH NTSC & PAL refresh rates (60/72 Hz and 50/75 Hz) Just because you state "I use mainly PAL film material" STILL doesn't tell me where you're located. :rolleyes:

I have no way of knowing WHERE you're trying to use your "mainly PAL film material. Maybe you're running a 50Hz refresh and powering you VP-50/and or G70 at 60 Hz.

You never even said what problems you were having, if any, with your current settings. :confused:

In addition, I recalled some VP-50 problems a while back. I think this is the thread from it, but I'm not certain, there might have been others. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=733540&page=3

I have no idea! :)
Neither the Lumagen nor the G70 will tell me.

67500Hz is the only other number the G70 will give me, which relates, I think, to the 864 and the 75Hz.
Can anyone tell us what the horizontal ‘resolution’ will be based on these figures?

Chastising the people that are trying to help you is probably not the smartest thing in the world to do. That's a good way not to get anymore help.

It's especially ill advised to chastise Bruce, who is by far the most knowledgable AVS member when it comes to G70s.

Chastising the people that are trying to help you is probably not the smartest thing in the world to do. That's a good way not to get anymore help.

It's especially ill advised to chastise Bruce, who is by far the most knowledgable AVS member when it comes to G70s.


Hey Phil, HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

As far as chastisings goes, it doesn't bother me in the least, since I'm not the one who "thinks" they either have a problem.....or is looking to make one. :D

Besides Phil, if you recall, the reason we have the "secret handshake" is to keep the really secret information SECRET! ;) :D

Happy New Year to you too Bruce!

Besides Phil, if you recall, the reason we have the "secret handshake" is to keep the really secret information SECRET! ;) :DThat's it man! We can't divulge the *really secret stuff* (like setting the G2 on the new firmware). :D

Happy New Year to you too Bruce!

That's it man! We can't divulge the *really secret stuff* (like setting the G2 on the new firmware). :D

I think you've said too much already. Of course do you remember all those resolution tests that were performed on the G70? After all those resolution tests and the discussion that followed, I never expected to see more questions about resolution......especially where the G70 is concerned. ;)

I sent out an electronic message to all current club members (which remains at 68 members). 6 members are G90 owners......including Cliffy. ;) As you all know, since we implemented secret pass words and hand shakes, we haven't had ANY security problems.

Once again........to all my friends and G70 club members-----

HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!!

What???! :eek: – G2 on the new firmware??? – You’ve got me rolling up my trouser leg and standing in a bucket of warm water in anticipation!.... ;)

Thank´s for all help so far :)

I think I will try barcoed´s values = I will just choose 1440 x960 from VP50 and change the 960 to 864/720. If someone care suggest something other, please let me know.

So that there will not be any misundertandings I want to say that my meaning in my earlier message was not to be negative towards anyone let alone to be ungreatful. I honest believe that every information I can get is helpfull to me.

If I have however by mistake gave that impression it must be only because my native language is not english so if I have used sometimes wrong english words - I´m truely sorry about that.

I live in a PAL land but I still don´t think that this is the issue here = I was only trying to say when I said I use mainly PAL film material that I will also using some NTSC material = so I was looking for information for both cases, gearet to PAL contents thought.

I really envy your gyus with the all secrect information you chare to each other in your club - as you can see from my questions to me even a simply (?) task to how to choose the right resolution and refresh rate is something I have ask.

IMHO to the continuation of CRT it is pity if all the wisdom is not widely chared.

Perhaps after all it is to gyus like me the best thing to turn to the world of digital wonders :(

I wil also wish the happiest new year to all !

I yet hope you can bear also in the future questions from newbies like myself and hopefully also understand that since this is the best place for information for a crt nut all around the world you may also in future receive questions that are not written in perfect english and for that reason hope you don´t assume right away that the writing was ment to be in any way a negative or a impolite one.

What???! :eek: – G2 on the new firmware??? – You’ve got me rolling up my trouser leg and standing in a bucket of warm water in anticipation!.... ;)

Sorry, but this new technology can't be exported out of the country. :eek:

I think you should S-l-o-w-l-y remove your leg from the bucket of warm water before you have an orgasm. :p

Too late! :cool:

I sent out an electronic message to all current club members (which remains at 68 members). 6 members are G90 owners......including Cliffy. ;) As you all know, since we implemented secret pass words and hand shakes, we haven't had ANY security problems.

Once again........to all my friends and G70 club members-----

HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!!

HAPPY NEW YEAR !!! To you Bruce From DOWN UNDER :D
secret pass words and hand shakes :cool: I have trouble remembering the password the hand shake is easy:o
Glad your on the mend BRUCE :D :D :D

HAPPY NEW YEAR !!! To you Bruce From DOWN UNDER :D
secret pass words and hand shakes :cool: I have trouble remembering the password the hand shake is easy:o
Glad your on the mend BRUCE :D :D :D

Hey Bob, Happy New Year from UP ABOVE! :) I was watching New Year's arrive in Melbourne on TV.......and then got to celebrate New Year's again here in NY. :D


I guess the reason we like Sony projectors so much is because the alternative is to get BARCOed. :p ....I've never been a big Barco fan.

Of course the one thing being BARCOed can't do that being Sony'ed will.....according to "Barcoed", he can get an orgasm by " rolling up [his] trouser leg and standing in a bucket of warm water in anticipation!.... of a G70 I guess. :D

Unfortunately like so many things today, the bucket is plastic.

But at risk of enjoying myself too much… Did we actually get any further along the line of answering Artoj’s original question? :)

I have always used a 16:9 resolution in the 720p range although through the tests I have done my G70 with it's current calibration settings can resolve up to somewhere around 900p @ 16:9. I am using slightly less than 60hz. This is primarily because I am lazy and it seems to work well for me.

Since I have pruchase a Toshiba A1 I have been using 1080i for HD content and it looks fantastic. I have even started to use it for upscaling normal DVD's instead of using the HTPC and I am very happy with the results. This is all NTSC content except for the two PAL disc's I own: A Pure Formality and Red Sonya. For these I still use the HTPC.

Happy New Year All and I too am glad you are on the bend Bruce!

Happy New Year All and I too am glad you are on the bend Bruce!

Thanks Charles! :)

I think we need to have a secret meeting soon that requires the secret handshake AND PASSWORD! :D We can host it on Curt's website. :eek:

Once again........to all my friends and G70 club members-----

HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!!

My good friend, I hope all is well with you and I truly hope that one day soon we can actually sit together and shoot the ****......

You are stuck to my life like fly tape. :) ;) :D

Cliffy

My good friend, I hope all is well with you and I truly hope that one day soon we can actually sit together and shoot the ****......

You are stuck to my life like fly tape. :) ;) :D

Cliffy

Hey Cliffy my boy, HAPPY NEW YEAR and have a great dual stack G90 installation in the coming year. :p

Has anyone read "Behold a Pale Horse" by William Cooper? According to him the people that roll up the trouser legs are the real "axis of evil" :-) Is anyone on the forum a Freemason or all are you just taking the P*** out of fraternal organisations a a whole? I actually got a breif look at a Freemason's "ritual book" from an old member and made me wonder what all the rituals are about anyway. Kind of had an occult feel about the whole organisation with a bit of Egyptian thrown in for good measure :-)
I was in Melbourne for NYE so maybe you saw me on TV back in NY :-)
I'll be sure to posta CRT related questin next time but for now is good to have a change from the usual tech posts :-)

Happy New Year to All

Jonathan

Hey Phil, HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

Besides Phil, if you recall, the reason we have the "secret handshake" is to keep the really secret information SECRET! ;) :D

This is the main reason I've turned down two cheap low hour mint zero wear G-70s in the last six months.
Getting info for these units is like pulling teeth and I refuse to sell my sole to the exclusive clubs here. I'll stick with the XG whose owners see the virtue of info sharing and whose performance is on par anyways.
Happy new year.

Steve

This is the main reason I've turned down two cheap low hour mint zero wear G-70s in the last six months.
Getting info for these units is like pulling teeth and I refuse to sell my sole to the exclusive clubs here. I'll stick with the XG whose owners see the virtue of info sharing and whose performance is on par anyways.
Happy new year.

Steve


:D :p :D I don't really like fish, so don't sell me your sole. On the other hand, i'll show you the secret handshake for your SOUL

:D :p :D I don't really like fish, so don't sell me your sole. On the other hand, i'll show you the secret handshake for your SOUL

I really hate soul. Prefer Rock myself so I guess I could sell you my soul for the secret handshake.
Now i need to find another cheap G-70.
Does the G-70 still suffer from poor reliability, no parts availability, not enough converge adj and poor white balance due lack of adjustability? Ho yea. Did they fix the premature wear and overheating issues?

I really hate soul. Prefer Rock myself so I guess I could sell you my soul for the secret handshake.
Now i need to find another cheap G-70.
Does the G-70 still suffer from poor reliability, no parts availability, not enough converge adj and poor white balance due lack of adjustability? Ho yea. Did they fix the premature wear and overheating issues?

To answer those questions, you'll have to first have the secret password. You can get one from 666......I mean QQQ :rolleyes:

To set the record (or should that be MP3 file now?) straight, I have been known to take a drill to a piece of marble in my time – does that make me a Mason?
You’re right about the teeth ‘though, Energeezer and mine’s already blown a PSU board once I gave it a bit of work to do. :rolleyes:

Trouble is, the pictures quite good. :)


Maybe we should take a club to the nearest G70 guru in order to loosen some teeth! :D
Only kidding guys!

I have the secret password

Does the G-70 still suffer from poor reliability, no parts availability, not enough converge adj and poor white balance due lack of adjustability? Ho yea. Did they fix the premature wear and overheating issues?Yes! All of those things. They're horrible PJs. Don't buy one at any price.

To club members: Don't let civilians bait you with false statements. We're an elitist club. We really don't care what outsiders think. :D

I find 1 x 1 works well on a G70.

To save the tubes I will only use one colour at a time. Usually green.

I have the HTPC describe the movie using morse code with the 1 pixel.

Awesome.

To set the record (or should that be MP3 file now?) straight, I have been known to take a drill to a piece of marble in my time – does that make me a Mason?

Dunno, but did you ever hear of the "Mason Dick's Online"? I don't know about a Mason, but it might make you a dick. :rolleyes:



You’re right about the teeth ‘though, Energeezer and mine’s already blown a PSU board once I gave it a bit of work to do.

What's all this talk about you and Ener Geezer's teeth and blown boards? :confused:



Trouble is, the pictures quite good. :)

You've even taken pictures of whatever you and Ener Geezer were doing with teeth and blown boards? :eek:



Maybe we should take a club to the nearest G70 guru in order to loosen some teeth! :D

Let's see, Cliffy and Terry are club members and G70 gurus. Since they're both WELL OVER 6 feet tall, I'd like to see if they could play catch with a Barco(ed) and see how long they could go before they dropped anything. :p

===========================================

I have the secret password

Yeah, but now you have no sole [sic]! :p



Originally Posted by Energeezer Does the G-70 still suffer from poor reliability, no parts availability, not enough converge adj and poor white balance due lack of adjustability? Ho yea. Did they fix the premature wear and overheating issues?

Reply by Phil Smith Yes! All of those things. They're horrible PJs. Don't buy one at any price.

To club members: Don't let civilians bait you with false statements. We're an elitist club. We really don't care what outsiders think. :D

Gee Phil, now you're giving them too much insight and secret information about the club. For security reasons, I contacted Homeland Security to check out some of these anarchists. Do you know anything about the guy who claims to be an Ener-Geezer? Either he's the Ener-Gizer Bunny, or just a plain OLD GEEZER. I think they need to tap his international calls.....especially the ones to Barcoed. :rolleyes:

Secret password??? Hey, I want it. ;) My G-70 is crying out for it.......really!!!!!


To answer the OP's question, I use 720p/72hz for standard DVD playback and I switch between 720p and 1080i for HD material depending on exactally what HD i'm watching. I use a Lumagen HDP which takes a 1080i feed and first deinterlaces to 1080p. Then it sends it out to w/e res I choose. It does a fantastic job at it too. My point is, what res you decide to output at will also depend on the scaling device's ability.

You guys serious about this G2 on latest firmware thing? I asked Terry recently about a doing this on a projector I got (indirectly) from him and he told me it wasn't possible. Trouble is with ABG (or AKB ABL can't remember right now) turned off it seems like it's way too low, as even with all bias set at 255 I get no shadow detail.

If there is a way to set the G2 I'd really appreciate finding out, as I'd like to get the most from my G70.

One other question while I'm here. It seems that when I turn my projector on, unless the source device is already activated, the projector never achieves the right input memory, or something. The convergence is way off, and switching inputs back and forth doesn't rectify it. I have to physically switch the projector off, then back on and then the correctly converged image appears. Weird. Any ideas?

Thanks

As suggested by Barcoed I tried today 1440 x 864 @ 75 Hz for PAL and to me the picture looks quite good. I think I will stick with this one for now :)

B.t.w is there any were in the net a good FAQ for G 70 ?

B.t.w is there any were in the net a good FAQ for G 70 ?

As stated throughout this thread this is top secret

As stated throughout this thread this is top secret

If not taking that one to account ;)

If not taking that one to account ;)

In all honesty!!!!!
I think there are a few things at play here which make the availability of G70 troubleshooting and even faq info a little hard to come by.
1) There just are not that many around when compared to the Marquee, Barco or NEC PJs. Probably because I think the G70 was priced a little higher when new so not as many were sold.
2) They are fairly reliable so not as much data is avail on T/S procedures.
3) Last and defineately least the resellers here want you to buy from them and have them fix them so they keep thier hand close to thier chest. (top secret) particularily if you bought somewhere else.

Steve

3) Last and defineately least the resellers here want you to buy from them and have them fix them so they keep thier hand close to thier chest. (top secret) particularily if you bought somewhere else.

Steve

That can also work against them. It can sometimes not be a good way to attract future business ;). It all depends on how one views it. Know what I mean...

I think there are a few things at play here which make the availability of G70 troubleshooting and even faq info a little hard to come by.

What information are you looking for specifically?

You have to ask a question before you can receive an answer. I've never seen anyone here who has asked a specific troubleshooting question about the G70 and not receive an answer.

I don't see parts availability as a problem either. Between Hammerhead, Curt, and the other resident G70 experts, I bet you have all bases covered. As a last resort, you can go right to Sony's website and add any G70 part you want right into your shopping cart, for a price. Try that with Barco or NEC.

What information are you looking for specifically?

You have to ask a question before you can receive an answer. I've never seen anyone here who has asked a specific troubleshooting question about the G70 and not receive an answer.

I must confess.
I don't own a G-70 or aspire since I have what is IMO its equal in an XG1352.
I've just been havin some fun with the secret G-70 society club members.

Steve

What information are you looking for specifically?

You have to ask a question before you can receive an answer. I've never seen anyone here who has asked a specific troubleshooting question about the G70 and not receive an answer. :D

Agreed!!! people here offer to help it may take time But in general you get an answer
All depends on the way you place the question sometimes its hard to understand the question????
also you would go a long way to find better help than Bruce :o :o there are a number of others that go out of there way to assist

I must confess.

I've just been havin some fun with the secret G-70 society club members.

Steve
yes it is all tongue and cheek yet some people seem to believe the Secrets exist the Club may!!!! ;)
There are a number of G70 around only those that have them wont let em Go :D :eek:

You guys serious about this G2 on latest firmware thing? I asked Terry recently about a doing this on a projector I got (indirectly) from him and he told me it wasn't possible. Trouble is with ABG (or AKB ABL can't remember right now) turned off it seems like it's way too low, as even with all bias set at 255 I get no shadow detail.

If there is a way to set the G2 I'd really appreciate finding out, as I'd like to get the most from my G70.

One other question while I'm here. It seems that when I turn my projector on, unless the source device is already activated, the projector never achieves the right input memory, or something. The convergence is way off, and switching inputs back and forth doesn't rectify it. I have to physically switch the projector off, then back on and then the correctly converged image appears. Weird. Any ideas?

Thanks

Any of you guys care to comment on this G2 adjustment on later firmware then?

In all honesty!!!!!
I think there are a few things at play here which make the availability of G70 troubleshooting and even faq info a little hard to come by.
1) There just are not that many around when compared to the Marquee, Barco or NEC PJs. Probably because I think the G70 was priced a little higher when new so not as many were sold.
2) They are fairly reliable so not as much data is avail on T/S procedures.
3) Last and defineately least the resellers here want you to buy from them and have them fix them so they keep thier hand close to thier chest. (top secret) particularily if you bought somewhere else.

Steve

I like that number 2 reason :)

Is there a way to set the refresh rate for a G70. I would like to set it to 72HZ. My dvd player OPPO971 doesn't give me the option to select / set this. I would like to find out if you can force the projector to run at 72Hz.

Thanks in Advance

No.

The video source sets/controls the refresh rate. The PJ only sync's to the signal. But yes the G70 can sync to 72Hz.

In all honesty!!!!!
I think there are a few things at play here which make the availability of G70 troubleshooting and even faq info a little hard to come by.
1) There just are not that many around when compared to the Marquee, Barco or NEC PJs. Probably because I think the G70 was priced a little higher when new so not as many were sold.
2) They are fairly reliable so not as much data is avail on T/S procedures.
3) Last and defineately least the resellers here want you to buy from them and have them fix them so they keep thier hand close to thier chest. (top secret) particularily if you bought somewhere else.

SteveI agree with that. I would add that the vast majority of G70 owners, for whatever reason, don't have even novice tech knowledge and are unable to contribute to the knowledge base. Whenever there's a problem, we all blankly look at each other wondering what to do. :D On the other hand, Barco and E-Home owners do seem to be more knowledgable and can often post a problem and solve it amongst themselves.

On the other hand, Barco and E-Home owners do seem to be more knowledgable and can often post a problem and solve it amongst themselves.
One gains knowledge if problems arrive and are solve, could be that there are fewer problems with the Sonys G series as there built like tanks also alot of posts on old issues are hard to find try doing a search :o I have a habit of saving some interesting post I may need in the future. Memory Blocks are still the main issue I find with G series :confused: .I had a Barco and was quite happy also, with barco's you do have the option of going to there site with an issue as there still in production unlike the others. :D

Id say the most talked about Pjs on the forum would be the Nec's interesting setting up one of these compared to a barco or a G series :eek:

I agree with that. I would add that the vast majority of G70 owners, for whatever reason, don't have even novice tech knowledge and are unable to contribute to the knowledge base. Whenever there's a problem, we all blankly look at each other wondering what to do. :D On the other hand, Barco and E-Home owners do seem to be more knowledgable and can often post a problem and solve it amongst themselves.

I think that the main reason people think that there is less information or that the new Sony's (D50, G70 and G90) are harder to diagnose and repair is because virtually all the components are surface mounted (SM).

The same thing that make them more difficult to repair is the same thing that ALSO makes them more reliable. With some of the other projectors, their discreet components fail so often (from the higher voltages and additional heat they generate), the "fixes" become common and well known, making it appear that there is more info available. :)

I know that I "cut my teeth" on a BG800 and a 6PG. when I wanted a real projector I got a g70 and paid someone to come and set it up. I spent up all my "hobby credits" on tearing apart the 6pg and setting it up. Once I got the g70 I could care less on the internal workings only that it works. If it has a problem I call in the tech.

Regards,
clopez

Gatherer and Bruce,

Those are good points. My G70 has almost 12K on it and has never had a problem. And even though I run it pretty hard (I like a bright picture) I still have a lot of life left on my tubes (to my amazement--they should be fried by now).

Note: Green tube only has 8K or 9K. I bent some pins by plugged the C-block up wrong and nuked the original green tube. To add insult to injury, there was nothing wrong with the PJ. I was just poking around out of curiosity. :(

Hi !

What refresh do you use for 1080i

720p for upconverted NTSC DVD

1080i for Blu-Ray from the PS3

(I usually use 720p for PAL too but that's because I have very little PAL and I guess I'm lazy.)