I am a huge HD DVD supporter and I really hope I am not forced to buy a Blu Ray or combo player, but after looking at this list of future HD DVD's it doesn't look so hot. IMO a huge part of the format war will be won with the software, and BLu Ray looks to have ALL the HUGE 07 hits on its hands Spidey, Pirates, Die Hard, etc.....does anyone think that HD DVD can still win with out having these HUGE blockbuster movies?


300
Warner Bros-BOTH
TMNT
Warner Bros-BOTH
Are We Done Yet?
Columbia-BLU RAY
Spider-man 3
Columbia-BLU RAY
28 Weeks Later
Fox Atomic-BLU RAY
Shrek The Third
DreamWorks-BOTH??????
Pirates Of The Caribbean: At Worlds End
Walt Disney Pictures-BLU RAY
Ocean's 13
Warner Bros-BOTH
Surf's Up
Columbia-BLU RAY
Fantastic Four: Rise Of The Silver Surfer
20th Century Fox-BLU RAY
Evan Almighty
Universal Pictures-HD DVD
Live Free Or Die Hard
20th Century Fox-BLU RAY
Ratatouille
Walt Disney Pictures/pixar-BLU RAY
Transformers
DreamWorks · Paramount-BOTH
Harry Potter And The Order Of The Phoenix
Warner Bros-BOTH
The Simpsons Movie
20th Century Fox-BLU RAY
The Bourne Ultimatum
Universal Pictures-HD DVD
Rush Hour 3
New Line Cinema-BOTH?
Revenge Of The Nerds
Fox Atomic-BLU RAY
Saw IV
Lionsgate-BLU RAY
Alien Vs. Predator: Survival Of The Fittest
20th Century Fox-BLU RAY
National Treasure 2
Walt Disney Pictures-BLU RAY

That is why 2 months ago I sold my Toshiba and my 30 HD dvds and purchased a BD player. I dont have a preference for Electronic Brand Names, I have a preference for the Movies themselves. I store my standard DVDs (about 750 or so) by movie company as I like having all the logos match up and have been doing this for years. When I looked at my Universal titles, and I looked at my Sony, Fox, and Buena Vista, and lionsgate the totals werent close. As were any list of past releases or future releases. Im sorry for all of you who hate Sony but as of this post they have control of the movies.

Im sorry for all of you who hate Sony but as of this post they have control of the movies.

They do?

Where?

I wouldn't count on seeing Pirates 3 on BD in 07, you still don't even have Pirates 1 or 2.

Ditto for the adventures of Spidey.

Other than those 2, this list has eased my mind that most of the potentially awesome movies (300, Transformers) are surely hitting HD-DVD.

But if having an exclusive on Revenge of the Nerds remake justifies your BD purchase, congrats.

Sorry, I thought this was the HD DVD part of the forum?
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Oh I forgot, we can't go a day without the usual "OMG THE SKY IS FALLING, HD DVD IS DOOMED" thread.

Sorry, I thought this was the HD DVD part of the forum?
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Oh I forgot, we can't go a day without the usual "OMG THE SKY IS FALLING, HD DVD IS DOOMED" thread.

I don't think HD DVD is doomed its sales can atest to that...but the only thing that worries me is that list of movies. 2007 could be a record breaking year for the box office with the amount of record breaking sequels coming out. Can anyone out there honestly say that HD DVD isn't in dier need of studio support??
trust me I really hope I am wrong here as I love my HD DVD player and do not want it to become a doorstop. :(

As Blu-ray supporters have said all along, studio support matters. Sure HD DVD looks great but if they can't get more studio support how can they compete longterm?

Because until those exclusive comapnies stop making SD DVD's of their Blu-ray movies, the average person isn't going to stop buying those in addition to the HD DVD's they are buying.

BTW, why don't we wait for CES and see what gets announced? BD companies HAVE to blow their wad before the show in a desperate attempt to get people to notice them. The problem is they're using $999 standalones and trying to get people to think the PS3 is a standalone player too.

If Toshiba drops the price of their players, then more are going to sell. That means more movie sales. At some point BD studios are going to stop looking at the BDA and start looking at their cash flow.

You're forgetting David Fincher's new film Zodiac, which is Universal -> HD-DVD.

Also

There Will Be Blood (Paramount - BOTH)
No Country For Old Men (Paramount - BOTH)
American Gangster (Universal - HD-DVD)
Grindhouse (Weinstein - HD-DVD)
Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair (Weinstein - HD-DVD) *Assuming this is actually released
Black Snake Moan (Paramount - BOTH)
Smokin' Aces (Universal - HD-DVD)
I am Legend (Warner - Both)
The Golden Compass (New Line - BOTH?)
3:10 to Yuma (Lion's Gate - Blu-Ray)
Beowulf (Warner - Both)
Hairspray (New Line - Both?)
Charlie Wilson's War (Universal - HD-DVD)
10,000 B.C. (Warner - Both)

As a current HD supporter the key thing i try to remember right now is that everything is very fluid right now. I expect alot of changes to happen this year one way or another. In fact we've already received two shocking announcements so far this year and i don't think anyone expected those. And if those announcements give any idea of what to expect for the year then i guess we should expect the unexpected.

I would wait till after CES before i even consider worrying about anything. And even after that i wouldn't worry about any of the 2007 movies until they are in the theatres. Because alot can change by then, heck we could have one format by then. :)

They do?

Where?

I wouldn't count on seeing Pirates 3 on BD in 07, you still don't even have Pirates 1 or 2.

Ditto for the adventures of Spidey.

Other than those 2, this list has eased my mind that most of the potentially awesome movies (300, Transformers) are surely hitting HD-DVD.

But if having an exclusive on Revenge of the Nerds remake justifies your BD purchase, congrats.

You mean Bd hasnt dumped 75% of there big movies from the last 5 years like Universal has into their format yet? Are trying to surprise me that a few months into the format war and a few days before the first CES of the war that we havent heard any of the huge titles from the BD exclusive company. I was just sharing my opinion as I have owned both. When I made the switch I looked at the list and realized that if things didnt change studio wise that I was gonna be missing a lot more and better titles from the exclusive BD camps. Im not saying HD is dead. Im just saying that I didnt want to support 2 formats and I didnt want to support one that as time went on was going to be missing more and more movies unless studios jumped or went neutral. If your HD only and happy about it then congratulations and enjoy. Im not preaching, just responding to the original post and sharing my experience and opinion.

You're forgetting David Fincher's new film Zodiac, which is Universal -> HD-DVD.

Also

There Will Be Blood (Paramount - BOTH)
No Country For Old Men (Paramount - BOTH)
American Gangster (Universal - HD-DVD)
Grindhouse (Weinstein - HD-DVD)
Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair (Weinstein - HD-DVD) *Assuming this is actually released
Black Snake Moan (Paramount - BOTH)
Smokin' Aces (Universal - HD-DVD)
I am Legend (Warner - Both)
The Golden Compass (New Line - BOTH?)
3:10 to Yuma (Lion's Gate - Blu-Ray)
Beowulf (Warner - Both)
Hairspray (New Line - Both?)
Charlie Wilson's War (Universal - HD-DVD)
10,000 B.C. (Warner - Both)

I suspect this was intentional. Clearly a bait thread. We all know BD studios announce well in advance and some of those announced titles don't show. HD DVD studios announce in spurts and those are often not in advance. Movies will come, the Matrix is one that for sure will be coming as the first movie has been completed for some time now. They (last I heard) are simply waiting to release them as a trilogy (get more $).

I don't think HD DVD is doomed its sales can atest to that...but the only thing that worries me is that list of movies. 2007 could be a record breaking year for the box office with the amount of record breaking sequels coming out. Can anyone out there honestly say that HD DVD isn't in dier need of studio support??
trust me I really hope I am wrong here as I love my HD DVD player and do not want it to become a doorstop. :(
WTF is with people saying this??

Sony doesn't get to send a self destruct signal to every HD-DVD player if BD were to win the format war. They'll still play the ~150 movies out right now, and all the movies that will be released in the future. I mean, come on people, stop trying so damn hard to look so damn dumb. ;)

this format war is like a street fight, If you and your 2 other friends (Toshiba,Universal) are in the street and you see a 150 bad guys (150 members in BDA) coming after you to beat you up...who do you think is going to win...it's 3 vs 150.

I suspect this was intentional. Clearly a bait thread. We all know BD studios announce well in advance and some of those announced titles don't show. HD DVD studios announce in spurts and those are often not in advance. Movies will come, the Matrix is one that for sure will be coming as the first movie has been completed for some time now. They (last I heard) are simply waiting to release them as a trilogy (get more $).

I guess you didnt read the title or original post. This has nothing to do with titles released on the BD or HD discs. It has to do with the movies released in theatres for 2007 and what studios released them so that we know which format they will end up on. And as for the "Projected " top 22 movies or so, only 2 are exclusive HD content while 13 are exclusive BD and 7 neutral or undecided. So in 2008 when all of these come out on home video HD only owners will be a little let down.

This thread is so childish, just like all of AVS has become. If you are losing sleep over owning an HD-DVD player and discs, then sell them and buy a Blu-ray player and discs. If you have already made the switch, then why are you here? Go to the Blu-ray section and have a party. But, please stop this nonsense with crying about a slowdown in HD-DVD releases over the past month and studio support, especiallly when CES is just a few days away. Can't you at least control yourselves until after that? I swear, it's like AVS has become a playground for children with ADHD.

this format war is like a street fight, If you and your 2 other friends (Toshiba,Universal) are in the street and you see a 150 bad guys (150 members in BDA) coming after you to beat you up...who do you think is going to win...it's 3 vs 150.
Hey I can chose numbers arbitrarily to represent both sides. It's really 945983934059569328 on the side of HD-DVD, versus 43 on the side of BD. Hey, that was fun. Making meaningless posts really is fun. Thanks for the tip. I'll be sure to try it more often. Thanks again.

I have 95 HD DVD titles (and growing) so either way my XA2 is here to stay. Just like my 92 DTHEATER titles and now 35(and growing) Blu ray titles... ;)

For comparisons sake, to date, of the top 22 releases in 2006, only 3 are exclusive to HD-DVD, 13 to Blu-ray, and the rest format neutral, so your "projected" top 22 are really no different than last year. HD-DVD has been holding its own just fine so far. ;)

That's not to say that HD-DVD does not need more studio support since it certainly does, but there are other factors at play.

why don't we wait for CES and see what gets announced? BD companies HAVE to blow their wad before the show in a desperate attempt to get people to notice them. The problem is they're using $999 standalones and trying to get people to think the PS3 is a standalone player too.

If Toshiba drops the price of their players, then more are going to sell. That means more movie sales. At some point BD studios are going to stop looking at the BDA and start looking at their cash flow.

Exactly.

For comparisons sake, to date, of the top 22 releases in 2006, only 3 are exclusive to HD-DVD, 13 to Blu-ray, and the rest format neutral, so your "projected" top 22 are really no different than last year. HD-DVD has been holding its own just fine so far. ;)

That's not to say that HD-DVD does not need more studio support since it certainly does, but there are other factors at play.



Exactly.

The only difference is that Universal has released 14 of its top 20 movies over the last 5 years and The Bd exclusive companies have only release a few total. They are smart enough to realize that it is too early to release the big guns and will be sprinkle them throughout the next few years as they see fit.

The only difference is that Universal has released 14 of its top 20 movies over the last 5 years and The Bd exclusive companies have only release a few total. They are smart enough to realize that it is too early to release the big guns and will be sprinkle them throughout the next few years as they see fit.
Please explain your definition of "smart". Their tactics have generated enough interest in the format to sell a mind blowing 25,000 stand alone players, compared to 120,000 stand alones for HD-DVD. Coupled with what meager sw sales data we have, I'm not sure how anyone could synthesize that and come out with anything resembling the concept of "smart" in reference to the decisions made by BD supporting studios.

Please explain your definition of "smart". Their tactics have generated enough interest in the format to sell a mind blowing 25,000 stand alone players, compared to 120,000 stand alones for HD-DVD. Coupled with what meager sw sales data we have, I'm not sure how anyone could synthesize that and come out with anything resembling the concept of "smart" in reference to the decisions made by BD supporting studios.

Wow. 125,000. Stop the presses and shut down BD and SD. The market has been captured. Lol. I dont know exact software sales numbers but Every site Ive read and thread on here has basically all agreed that BD has just about caught, if not passed HD for Software sales (many thanks to PS3 owners but again, dont know how many) If Bd has done that and still has about 90% of there big name titles then what can HD due to keep up. They cant keep up Software wise without added studio support.

Smart is waiting for more players to be in homes before releasing most of your titles.

WTF is with people saying this??

Sony doesn't get to send a self destruct signal to every HD-DVD player if BD were to win the format war. They'll still play the ~150 movies out right now, and all the movies that will be released in the future. I mean, come on people, stop trying so damn hard to look so damn dumb. ;)NO KIDDING!! Funny thing...when I plugged in my HD DVD player, my D-VHS tapes all disintegrated... :rolleyes: ...as long as the player and software work, you're set!

As for how things look movie wise. I have no concerns whatsoever. Everyone involved with HD DVD has delivered and how!...sure it's been Blu-ray this and Blu-ray that in the "news" circuits (some sites are quite the joke!) but in the end quite a bit of it ends up being a bunch of bull and we all know that. The HD camp, on the other hand has made it routine to hold off announcements until last minute. Why take the bang out of the CES nuclear attack I'm sure the HD camp is going to wage on Blu-ray... :D

Why is it that only the oddball BR supporters think that BR has surpassed HD DVD in any fashion whatsoever? This with a five to one ratio in player sales for HD DVD with only one ce company. With films ahead in sales since day one with limited studio support.

Amazing, truly amazing that anyone can claim that HD DVD is any trouble at all with these kind of numbers. I guess the classes I attended in economics were all wrong! Hell, I guess the math classes were wrong as well.

I have never seen a more nervous group in my life than the BR zealots that post their crap in the HD DVD section of this forum.

You should be out buying players and movies. Your beloved BR is in serious need of life support.

Two of the movies mentioned in the original list will be worth my time and probably purchase.

Bourne and Harry Potter, I couldn't care less about Alien Vs Preditor 2. (or did you not see the first one)

Well I'll chime in here. I'm still concerned my vhs will be over taken by betamax. Like I mean, it "could" happen? :eek: :D

I'm not worried. Toshiba has a nice little slim Hd player coming (maybe its out already?).

PS. Reds was just fantastic in HD. I had to go out and buy it after netflixing it. I couldnt believe the HD quality. I take back what I said once on them bringing back older films in HD dvd. It IS a smart move!

Let us not forget the wonderful PS3 which is sitting on store shelf waiting to be purchased. I had been to many stores thurs and fri buying hd dvd movies and saw several at a local BB and saw a huge stack of PS3 that were there from at least Thursday. I haven't hear anything about BLu ray catching up to dvd I have only heard player laying on shelves since launch of the Samsung player. regardless hd dvd support is only going to grow the sales numbers for players and movies is too good for most studios to pass up. Worst case scenario we get neutral support from most studios excluding the Sony owned ones.

Why doesn't HD DVD get any announcments?

I am a huge HD DVD supporter and I really hope I am not forced to buy a Blu Ray or combo player, but after looking at this list of future HD DVD's it doesn't look so hot. IMO a huge part of the format war will be won with the software, and BLu Ray looks to have ALL the HUGE 07 hits on its hands Spidey, Pirates, Die Hard, etc.....does anyone think that HD DVD can still win with out having these HUGE blockbuster movies?


300
Warner Bros-BOTH
TMNT
Warner Bros-BOTH
Are We Done Yet?
Columbia-BLU RAY
Spider-man 3
Columbia-BLU RAY
28 Weeks Later
Fox Atomic-BLU RAY
Shrek The Third
DreamWorks-BOTH??????
Pirates Of The Caribbean: At Worlds End
Walt Disney Pictures-BLU RAY
Ocean's 13
Warner Bros-BOTH
Surf's Up
Columbia-BLU RAY
Fantastic Four: Rise Of The Silver Surfer
20th Century Fox-BLU RAY
Evan Almighty
Universal Pictures-HD DVD
Live Free Or Die Hard
20th Century Fox-BLU RAY
Ratatouille
Walt Disney Pictures/pixar-BLU RAY
Transformers
DreamWorks · Paramount-BOTH
Harry Potter And The Order Of The Phoenix
Warner Bros-BOTH
The Simpsons Movie
20th Century Fox-BLU RAY
The Bourne Ultimatum
Universal Pictures-HD DVD
Rush Hour 3
New Line Cinema-BOTH?
Revenge Of The Nerds
Fox Atomic-BLU RAY
Saw IV
Lionsgate-BLU RAY
Alien Vs. Predator: Survival Of The Fittest
20th Century Fox-BLU RAY
National Treasure 2
Walt Disney Pictures-BLU RAY
Looks LIKE A bait thread to me!
None of these movies have been released yet. :rolleyes:
By the time they are even released the war might be over, or all studios could have gone format neutral. :rolleyes:

Besides, apart from "Fantastic 4" and "spider man 3", the so-called biggest movies on your list are all going to be on HD DVD as well, if not exclusively!

The same premise can be used for the HD DVD upcoming movies for 2007 listed in the HD DVD Promotion Group's website; http://www.hddvdprg.com/eng/list/list.pdf

Buy a BR player if you wish, I did. But keep these bait and irresponsible threads where they belong; inside your mind.
We need facts and info, not a reason to argue and fight over the obvious! :(

But if having an exclusive on Revenge of the Nerds remake justifies your BD purchase, congrats.

Not to mention that production of the "Revenge of the Nerds" sequel was shut down when the college used as a location kicked them out. A suitable replacement was unavailable (read: no one would have them) and the production was cancelled.

300
Warner Bros-BOTH
TMNT
Warner Bros-BOTH
Are We Done Yet?
Columbia-BLU RAY
Spider-man 3
Columbia-BLU RAY
28 Weeks Later
Fox Atomic-BLU RAY
Shrek The Third
DreamWorks-BOTH??????
Pirates Of The Caribbean: At Worlds End
Walt Disney Pictures-BLU RAY
Ocean's 13
Warner Bros-BOTH
Surf's Up
Columbia-BLU RAY
Fantastic Four: Rise Of The Silver Surfer
20th Century Fox-BLU RAY
Evan Almighty
Universal Pictures-HD DVD
Live Free Or Die Hard
20th Century Fox-BLU RAY
Ratatouille
Walt Disney Pictures/pixar-BLU RAY
Transformers
DreamWorks · Paramount-BOTH
Harry Potter And The Order Of The Phoenix
Warner Bros-BOTH
The Simpsons Movie
20th Century Fox-BLU RAY
The Bourne Ultimatum
Universal Pictures-HD DVD
Rush Hour 3
New Line Cinema-BOTH?
Revenge Of The Nerds
Fox Atomic-BLU RAY
Saw IV
Lionsgate-BLU RAY
Alien Vs. Predator: Survival Of The Fittest
20th Century Fox-BLU RAY
National Treasure 2
Walt Disney Pictures-BLU RAY

The majority of those movies are stinkers, so who gives a damn.

If Sony fullfills their potential, meaning putting all of their exclusives in a major attack on HD DVD I see this war getting over very quickly.

It does not matter how many titles Sony puts out. The majority of the movies will be stinkers and the amount sold will not amount to much.

If Sony fullfills their potential, meaning putting all of their exclusives in a major attack on HD DVD I see this war getting over very quickly.I won't be moving an inch! I know which side makes sense and I wouldn't follow what Fox and Disney are doing...they messed up in the first round with DVD, too!

Why doesn't HD DVD get any announcments?CES is only two days away. Do you really think they'd want to steal that show's thunder? We've been hearing all these Blu-ray announcements because their entire support base is nervous (and rightly so!). To me those announcements are a desperate plea..."Please don't jump ship yet we want to sell you a few more Blu-ray discs before we switch to HD DVD"... ;)

If Sony fullfills their potential, meaning putting all of their exclusives in a major attack on HD DVD I see this war getting over very quickly.

Hey, guess what? Even IF Sony fulfills their potential(a BIG if, I might add), it will mean squat regarding the 'war'. With the advent of dual format players THIS YEAR, both formats can co-exist for some time. When it doesn't matter anymore as to a format winner(because of dual-format players), the only people that will care are some of the lame-brains here! <shrug>

Man.. the more I see of this, the more excited I am to buy a BR next month!

You left out two critically hailed films coming to HD DVD EXCLUSIVELY in 2007: "The Good Shepard" and "Children of Men." I am still gonna wait it out through 2007 to see where this all leads. I believe that we will see tremendous price cuts as the competition heats up between the formats leading up to Christmas 2007. I was willing to gamble $499 on my HD-A1s but there is no way I am gonna fork out more dough for an over-priced system before it becomes clearer which way this thing is gonna go.

Man.. the more I see of this, the more excited I am to buy a BR next month!Really? Why buy the one that's gonna get dumped?... ;) (granted not here at CES...but how much longer?...2Q07?)

This thread is so childish, just like all of AVS has become. If you are losing sleep over owning an HD-DVD player and discs, then sell them and buy a Blu-ray player and discs. If you have already made the switch, then why are you here? Go to the Blu-ray section and have a party. But, please stop this nonsense with crying about a slowdown in HD-DVD releases over the past month and studio support, especiallly when CES is just a few days away. Can't you at least control yourselves until after that? I swear, it's like AVS has become a playground for children with ADHD.

Right on. I couldn't have said it better.

The majority of those movies are stinkers, so who gives a damn.

Wow! Must have been fun to see all of these movies that aren't yet released. Any chance I can borrow your time machine?

lol, cleverly disguised thread bait!

Com'on, none of these will determine the format war :rolleyes:
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For all we know each one of these 2007 movies could bomb at the box office (ok, I like Shrek no matter what) and be of no interest to own, and by the time these "2007" theatrical releases are released in "2008" (in BD as the poster suggests) most studios, if not all, will have gone format neutral. <<-- my opinion of course.

I am a huge HD DVD supporter and I really hope I am not forced to buy a Blu Ray or combo player, but after looking at this list of future HD DVD's it doesn't look so hot. IMO a huge part of the format war will be won with the software, and BLu Ray looks to have ALL the HUGE 07 hits on its hands Spidey, Pirates, Die Hard, etc.....does anyone think that HD DVD can still win with out having these HUGE blockbuster movies?

300
Warner Bros-BOTH
TMNT
Warner Bros-BOTH
Are We Done Yet?
Columbia-BLU RAY
Spider-man 3
Columbia-BLU RAY
28 Weeks Later
Fox Atomic-BLU RAY
Shrek The Third
DreamWorks-BOTH??????
Pirates Of The Caribbean: At Worlds End
Walt Disney Pictures-BLU RAY
Ocean's 13
Warner Bros-BOTH
Surf's Up
Columbia-BLU RAY
Fantastic Four: Rise Of The Silver Surfer
20th Century Fox-BLU RAY
Evan Almighty
Universal Pictures-HD DVD
Live Free Or Die Hard
20th Century Fox-BLU RAY
Ratatouille
Walt Disney Pictures/pixar-BLU RAY
Transformers
DreamWorks · Paramount-BOTH
Harry Potter And The Order Of The Phoenix
Warner Bros-BOTH
The Simpsons Movie
20th Century Fox-BLU RAY
The Bourne Ultimatum
Universal Pictures-HD DVD
Rush Hour 3
New Line Cinema-BOTH?
Revenge Of The Nerds
Fox Atomic-BLU RAY
Saw IV
Lionsgate-BLU RAY
Alien Vs. Predator: Survival Of The Fittest
20th Century Fox-BLU RAY
National Treasure 2
Walt Disney Pictures-BLU RAY

Please, stop stoking the thread bait.

you keep posting this same stuff all over the High Definition threads when possible.

Why would you ever buy a HD DVD player and 30 titles/disks, when all along you knew (from your extensive 750 SD DVD collection) that the Universal titles were of no importance to you and all that mattered were the Sony, Fox, Buena Vista/Disney and Lionsgate ones?

btw, if you make a statement like "as of this post they (Sony) have control of the movies" back it up with some factual data or at least some intelligent reasoning....

... my ignore list keeps growing and growing, :( :(

That is why 2 months ago I sold my Toshiba and my 30 HD dvds and purchased a BD player. I dont have a preference for Electronic Brand Names, I have a preference for the Movies themselves. I store my standard DVDs (about 750 or so) by movie company as I like having all the logos match up and have been doing this for years. When I looked at my Universal titles, and I looked at my Sony, Fox, and Buena Vista, and lionsgate the totals werent close. As were any list of past releases or future releases. Im sorry for all of you who hate Sony but as of this post they have control of the movies.

lol, cleverly disguised thread bait!

Com'on, none of these will determine the format war :rolleyes:
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For all we know each one of these 2007 movies could bomb at the box office (ok, I like Shrek no matter what) and be of no interest to own, and by the time these "2007" theatrical releases are released in "2008" (in BD as the poster suggests) most studios, if not all, will have gone format neutral. <<-- my opinion of course.

Please stop it with the "bait" thread stuff, if you look at any of my privious posts you can tell I am a DIE HARD HD DVD fanboy and would be happy to see Sony bomb with Blu Ray. BUT it makes me supprised to see that most of us in the HD DVD camp seem to ingnore the fact that almost every huge movie will be coming out on Blu Ray and the majority of others will be neutral. If you read that list you will notice that 3 of those movies are in the top 10 grossing films of all times list, and probaly the biggest movie on that list-Priates could end up being the higest selling DVD of all time, considering its prequel Pirates 2 just took that crown. I agree that HD DVD is far suppirior in quality of hardware and software, but what will "joe 6 pack" think when he goes to Best Buy to buy his new dvd player and a huge percentage of the big movies are on Blu Ray? I guess my only hope is that sales of HD DVD will continue to outpace Blu Ray thus making some of these stuidos go neutral.
:cool:

Can't wait to get my hands on, Are We There Yet, AVP2 and Revenge of the Nerds :rolleyes:

They will go nicely with my Little Man and UltraViolet :cool:

Hey I can chose numbers arbitrarily to represent both sides. It's really 945983934059569328 on the side of HD-DVD, versus 43 on the side of BD. Hey, that was fun. Making meaningless posts really is fun. Thanks for the tip. I'll be sure to try it more often. Thanks again.

I'm sure if I said HD DVD will win this war no matter what blu-ray did, you'd believe me.

Can't wait to get my hands on, Are We There Yet, AVP2 and Revenge of the Nerds :rolleyes:

They will go nicely with my Little Man and UltraViolet :cool:

lol all my favorites...

As Blu-ray supporters have said all along, studio support matters. Sure HD DVD looks great but if they can't get more studio support how can they compete longterm?

And it will in longterm, i would bet that the same time next year Ebay will be flooded with cheaper than cheap HD-DVD players people want to get rid off.

There is only one true high def format with potential, Blu-ray.

And it will in longterm, i would bet that the same time next year Ebay will be flooded with cheaper than cheap HD-DVD players people want to get rid off.

There is only one true high def format with potential, Blu-ray.


Exactly! that's the thing, BD has enormous potential, I'm investing on something with great potential

What does HD-DVD offer? What do I invest on? Do I invest on wishes? wishing that Disney would come around or that FOX and MGM would come around? come on, the hard fact is that Blu-ray has support, HD-DVD has nothing but wishes

Please stop it with the "bait" thread stuff, if you look at any of my privious posts you can tell I am a DIE HARD HD DVD fanboy and would be happy to see Sony bomb with Blu Ray. BUT it makes me supprised to see that most of us in the HD DVD camp seem to ingnore the fact that almost every huge movie will be coming out on Blu Ray and the majority of others will be neutral. If you read that list you will notice that 3 of those movies are in the top 10 grossing films of all times list, and probaly the biggest movie on that list-Priates could end up being the higest selling DVD of all time, considering its prequel Pirates 2 just took that crown. I agree that HD DVD is far suppirior in quality of hardware and software, but what will "joe 6 pack" think when he goes to Best Buy to buy his new dvd player and a huge percentage of the big movies are on Blu Ray? I guess my only hope is that sales of HD DVD will continue to outpace Blu Ray thus making some of these stuidos go neutral.
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I do not ignore any movie that is on or coming on BD, quite the contrary.

I challenged your assumption that:
A) When those movies are released in a High definition format in 2008, they will make a difference in the format war and
B) That you are, as of 1/6/07, stating the biggest ones "will" be on BD only. There are many threads on this subject, and I'd keep an eye open for CE announcements before making such claims.

Going back to point A) Lets talk POC.
Disney, which is right now BD supportive, hasn't released any information on when it will release Curse of the Black Pearl or Dead Man's Chest.
Since Disney/Buena Vista has announced may other titles through the summer of '07 you would expect them to release Curse and Dead Man's in the fall before At world's End comes to theatres, correct?

Well then those two releases will have an impact or sway the format war if they are BD exclusive, not At World's End. Again I am challenging the assumptions of your "concerns" as a HD DVD fan, which come across as "bait".

If not intended to be so (bait thread), I apologies for offending you.

Lets talk POC.
Disney, which is right now BD supportive, hasn't released any information on when it will release Curse of the Black Pearl or Dead Man's Chest.
Since Disney/Buena Vista has announced may other titles through the summer of '07 you would expect them to release Curse and Dead Man's in the fall before At world's End comes to theatres, correct?

Well then those two releases will have an impact or sway the format war if they are BD exclusive, not At World's End. Again I am challenging the assumptions of your "concerns" as a HD DVD fan, which come across as "bait".

If not intended to be so (bait thread), I apologies for offending you.

So do you think Sony will hold off its "big guns" until the format war is over? I do agree with your point that by the time they get released the format war could be over or combo players could be mainstream, but I would be very supprised to see Sony wait that long, because it seems to me they would be throwing there only atvantage down the drain.

petra bd is all potential--hddvd is here and now the ax2 which will be the best hd player out there and now being stated that.Start reading the reviews.I can see the saying--BEYOND BLURAY coming up now more often.Pioneer hasnt come up with advanced audio fix and not likely too.Plus more sub par movie quality for sure from sony.It would be far better to have quality than quantity.HDDVD is screaming ahead now in hardware sales--look how many ax2 have been sold this week and the que waiting.Also sonys balance sheet aint going to be very good at the end of this financial year and is getting worse day by day.They are paying out cash to DRM as we speak---millions--batteries millions---hope they sell more ps3 too as they are loosing heaps on each one now.The share holders this financial year aint going to be happy.Pioneer is already downsizing their company majorly and so will sony after they release their total losses for the year.Downsizing for sony definitely could and will effect Bluray for sure. I know which format I feel more secure with. :)

The only difference is that Universal has released 14 of its top 20 movies over the last 5 years and The Bd exclusive companies have only release a few total. They are smart enough to realize that it is too early to release the big guns and will be sprinkle them throughout the next few years as they see fit.

I am so sick of this FUD. Here force, let me throw out some movies that Universal has yet to announce.

Gladiator, Nutty Professor II: The Klumps, Erin Brockovich, The Watcher, The Family Man, Brotherhood of the Wolf, A Beautiful Mind, The Mummy Returns, Captain Corelli's Mandolin, American Pie 2, K-PAX, Jurassic Park I, I, III and IV, Spy Game, Undercover Brother, 8 Mile, Red Dragon, The Emperor's Club, The Pianist, The Life of David Gale, American Wedding, Bruce Almighty, The Cat in The Hat, Honey, Love Actually, Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World (since Universal owns distribution rights), Seabiscuit, Along Came Polly Meet the Fockers, White Noise, Assault on Precinct 13, The 40-Year-Old Virgin,

Wait, should I go on? Because I can. Back to the Future, E.T., Blues Brothers, The Dark Crystal, Wierd Science, Firestarter, United 93, Evan Almighty, Metal Gear Solid (wouldn't that be funny), The Incredible Hulk (the 2008 film), etc:

That's JUST Universal stuff.

I am so sick of this FUD. Here force, let me throw out some movies that Universal has yet to announce.

Gladiator, Nutty Professor II: The Klumps, Erin Brockovich, The Watcher, The Family Man, Brotherhood of the Wolf, A Beautiful Mind, The Mummy Returns, Captain Corelli's Mandolin, American Pie 2, K-PAX, Jurassic Park I, I, III and IV, Spy Game, Undercover Brother, 8 Mile, Red Dragon, The Emperor's Club, The Pianist, The Life of David Gale, American Wedding, Bruce Almighty, The Cat in The Hat, Honey, Love Actually, Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World (since Universal owns distribution rights), Seabiscuit, Along Came Polly Meet the Fockers, White Noise, Assault on Precinct 13, The 40-Year-Old Virgin,

Wait, should I go on? Because I can. Back to the Future, E.T., Blues Brothers, The Dark Crystal, Wierd Science, Firestarter, United 93, Evan Almighty, Metal Gear Solid (wouldn't that be funny), The Incredible Hulk (the 2008 film), etc:

That's JUST Universal stuff.

:eek: :eek:

Did you just list Honey, The 40-Year-Old Virgin, Assault on Precinct 13, Along Came Polly, Meet the Fockers, etc in your bragging list?!?!

If I were you, I'd hide those titles under my bed and never use them again to brag

...i would bet that the same time next year Ebay will be flooded with cheaper than cheap HD-DVD players people want to get rid off.
Oh, you mean like the PS3 on ebay is currently?

Exactly! that's the thing, BD has enormous potential, I'm investing on something with great potential

What does HD-DVD offer? What do I invest on? Do I invest on wishes? wishing that Disney would come around or that FOX and MGM would come around? come on, the hard fact is that Blu-ray has support, HD-DVD has nothing but wishes
OMG, LOL...I'll respond after I finish watching all my "wishes" currently in my library (unlike the OP unreleased and unscheduled releases.) AND, about FOX and Disney "coming around" to HD DVD...if they do and offer good transfers in HD DVD with good content, I will buy...if they stay Blu-ray, I will not buy. Strong arm tactics did not get me to go DIVX and they will not get me to go Blu-ray. PERIOD.

Petra
potential potential potential ---you crack me up :p

Exactly! that's the thing, BD has enormous potential, I'm investing on something with great potential

What does HD-DVD offer? What do I invest on? Do I invest on wishes? wishing that Disney would come around or that FOX and MGM would come around? come on, the hard fact is that Blu-ray has support, HD-DVD has nothing but wishes

Originally I expected BD to dominate so I bought my HD DVD player to hold me over until BD was released. The initial release was so lackluster and HD kept stepping up and delivering.

I do agree that BD has more studios and more CE support but for some reason it seems HD DVD is plugging along selling more stand alone players, etc. I currently own both but for some strange reason I expect HD DVD to be around for a very long time.

How about we wait until all of these BIG titles actually come out before the panic starts? Right now, this is a theoretical discussion and most of what you're missing out on by being HD-only is Click, Ricky Bobby, and Little Man. Along with some MGM catalog titles that have mediocre picture quality, zero extras, and a $40 price tag. I don't know about you, but that doesn't tempt me too much...

Exactly! that's the thing, BD has enormous potential, I'm investing on something with great potential

What does HD-DVD offer? What do I invest on? Do I invest on wishes? wishing that Disney would come around or that FOX and MGM would come around? come on, the hard fact is that Blu-ray has support, HD-DVD has nothing but wishes

Could you explain to me the difference in your terms? BD has 'potential' but HD has 'wishes'?!?
What, exactly, does that mean?


By the way, to be *still* going on about the potential of BD at this point is absurd. It's been out for 6 months. The BD50s are out. The PS3 is out. When does potential end and reality kick in?

Honest to God, I'm not anti-BD. I'd buy a player tomorrow if it tempted me. But I'm still seeing:

* Mostly mediocre releases: I realize it's early in the game and no studio is going to release its big titles so soon. But I'm sick to death about hearing about "Disney's" support of BD. Have you *looked* at what they've released? Annapolis, etc. is not what I think of when I think of Disney. Ditto for Fox and, frankly, Sony.

* Variable picture quality: Both formats have clunkers, but nearly everything coming from MGM has been mediocre to say the least. Rocky looks like a damn upconverted DVD (with a $40 price tag). Ricky Bobby -- a brand new big budget flick -- looks mediocre as well. There have been good titles, but overall, I'm not blown away.

* Almost zero extras: Fox, MGM, Lions Gate, Disney, Sony... they're all dropping supplemental materials from the existing standard def DVDs. Even on the beloved BD50s that was supposed to provide so much storage space. Again, not exactly tempting me to spend $500 (or whatever) for a new machine and additional format.


When we start actually seeing:

The Bond Films
Spider-Man movies
Alien movies
Classic Disney animation and Pixar
Die Hard
classic films like Lawrence of Arabia, Close Encounters, Kwai, Sound of Music
etc.

all with great picture/sound quality and the extras from their DVD counterparts... *then* I'm going to start being tempted. But why buy into the format right now? For the potential? No thanks.

If Sony fullfills their potential, meaning putting all of their exclusives in a major attack on HD DVD I see this war getting over very quickly.

as i said in other threads, consumers can choose what they heart desire after reviewing the units in action and take into consideration the pros of both formats or they can let giant corps play their insecurity and be intimidated into chicken out and succumb to this intimidation. Studio and CE support does not matter. If consumers want HD DVD, CE and studios will eventually follow consumers' money trail. Consumers are the ones holding the cheque (check) book. ;)

That Revenge of the Nerds remake was cancelled. (I know, that turns the tide! ;))

Petra is that your best response?

So do you think Sony will hold off its "big guns" until the format war is over? I do agree with your point that by the time they get released the format war could be over or combo players could be mainstream, but I would be very supprised to see Sony wait that long, because it seems to me they would be throwing there only atvantage down the drain.

Ok here are some facts:

Some Directors have control of their Home Video releases. They can put a halt to them or get them put out early. It's their call.

Stephen Spielberg, George Lucas, Peter Jackson, and Sam Raimi are among those.

How many of their movies are out on BD right now?

ZERO.

How many are out on HD-DVD?

TWO.

Sony would love to put Spider-man out on BD, but to my knowledge Raimi has yet to give an ok to it. So until then you wait.

Also by the time most of those titles get released on HD, the Studio Picture will be DIFFERENT. I know two studios that will be going neutral in 2007. The question is WHEN not IF to me.

STANDALONE PLAYERS: 300,000 HD-DVD sold to 40,000 BD.

The onlything keeping BD breathing is the PS3, and it's attach rates are not high enough to keep Studio Support. PS3 sales are not increasing CE standalone player sales like Sony said they would.

If you're a Studio, you remember how great DVD was. HD-DVD just beat DVD in first year sales.

That is something you notice. Meanwhile BD is having a horrible time selling players. They can sell video game machines, but not players.

One CE has left BD exclusivity already and announced they will make a combo player.

Studios aren't dumb.

Patience is all you need. Things will start swinging more to HD-DVD's side soon.

I seriously doubt that Sam Raimi has the kind of pull that Spielberg, Lucas, and Jackson have. The reason Spider-Man isn't out yet is because they will want to tie it in with the sequel. They'll release it when SM3 hits theaters or video.

I am so sick of this FUD. Here force, let me throw out some movies that Universal has yet to announce.

Gladiator, Nutty Professor II: The Klumps, Erin Brockovich, The Watcher, The Family Man, Brotherhood of the Wolf, A Beautiful Mind, The Mummy Returns, Captain Corelli's Mandolin, American Pie 2, K-PAX, Jurassic Park I, I, III and IV, Spy Game, Undercover Brother, 8 Mile, Red Dragon, The Emperor's Club, The Pianist, The Life of David Gale, American Wedding, Bruce Almighty, The Cat in The Hat, Honey, Love Actually, Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World (since Universal owns distribution rights), Seabiscuit, Along Came Polly Meet the Fockers, White Noise, Assault on Precinct 13, The 40-Year-Old Virgin,

Wait, should I go on? Because I can. Back to the Future, E.T., Blues Brothers, The Dark Crystal, Wierd Science, Firestarter, United 93, Evan Almighty, Metal Gear Solid (wouldn't that be funny), The Incredible Hulk (the 2008 film), etc:

That's JUST Universal stuff.

Lol. So are we just gonna start listing all of the exlcusive companies titles and see whose list is longer? Do you think Im a child or something. I give you facts about Universal releasing 14 of their top 20 grossing movies of the last 5 years already and you give me a list of all their titles as a counter. I have between 750 and 800 SDs. On my shelves I keep them organized by movie company and have done so for years. So when the 2 formats hit I did a count of my DVDs and saw that I owned about 4.5 times as many BD exclusive titles than HD exclusive. So I sold my Toshiba on ebay an all my HD DVDs and bought a BD player. As of right now with all the rumors floating around on both sides there isnt a single one that is stating a big company will switch or go neutral which means as times goes on and as I look to replace all of my DVDs with High Def ones then Bd is the way for me to go. Ive bought about 65 BDs in the last 10 weeks and havent looked back. Sure Im gonna miss, King Kong, Accepted and You me and Dupree but I own SD of them all. So if even half of the rumored releases for BD are true then I will be a very happy man. If all are true then I will be extremely happy. Watch and buy whatever format you want. But for me, and the current and rumored release lists for both comapnies, Blu Ray is far superior in my book. Especially for the 2007 Theatre release movies. If they end up on BD as they should then Im sorry for you and all of the movies you will be missing.

*cough* *cough* those aren't "big" movies - many are flops, the rest are tasteless junk.

When talking about 'good' movies - we can only reference catalogue titles. So far, HD DVD, has many more 'great' films than BD, imo.

So are we just gonna start listing all of the exlcusive companies titles and see whose list is longer?

No, I wanted to show that your FUD doesn't work. You failed to mention that Universal's catalog of box office hits goes beyond your 20.


Do you think Im a child or something.

Please don't make me answer this. ;)


I have between 750 and 800 SDs.

Yippy, I have about 650.


On my shelves I keep them organized by movie company and have done so for years.

Me by alphabetical order. Easier for my wife to find a movie she wants to watch.


So when the 2 formats hit I did a count of my DVDs and saw that I owned about 4.5 times as many BD exclusive titles than HD exclusive. So I sold my Toshiba on ebay an all my HD DVDs and bought a BD player.

Rock on. I still have my HD DVD player and haven't really looked back since. To bad you sold all your movies you probably enjoyed just to make a point for yourself.

Everything else you said is opinion and your own experience, not fact. And I'm glad your happy. Personally, I really could care less about BD at this moment. When they release a player that to me is affordable, then I might go that way.

But until then, don't act like Universal couldn't go into their back catalog and bring out movies that aren't SD DVD replacements.

And I don't go on rumors, I go on what's real. When actual releases are announced, then that's different.

I am a huge HD DVD supporter and I really hope I am not forced to buy a Blu Ray or combo player, but after looking at this list of future HD DVD's it doesn't look so hot. IMO a huge part of the format war will be won with the software, and BLu Ray looks to have ALL the HUGE 07 hits on its hands Spidey, Pirates, Die Hard, etc.....does anyone think that HD DVD can still win with out having these HUGE blockbuster movies?
.....

I understand your concern that the "might" of 60% of Hollywood studios has announced a position behind the "other" format and I don't think bringing it up is neccessarily flame bait. It could be, but it could also be a legit point of discussion for hd-dvd fans. I find it interesting. I think we all know that Blu-ray launched in "the drivers seat" with most of Hollywood behind it, so yes nothing has changed on the studio front yet, blu-ray is in charge there, but remember the entire 'next-gen' market is still a "niche".

Vast majority of consumers will buy Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer on SD-DVD along with all the other blu-ray exclusives.

A couple of points to consider (hate to make a 2 poster, but I will):

1) Besides HD-DVD, the other challenge to BD is SD-DVD and upscaled SD DVD.

No one is really left out on big blu-ray movie releases except for those that *really* must have the more expensive blu-ray version of a movie, which is mostly going to be early adopter type fans like us. Anyone with a hdtv still has the cheaper SD DVD option and many people still seem to show a lot of interest in upscaling their standard dvd's. Many consumers may *gasp* not even see a huge difference in thier upscaled DVD vs. many blu-ray releases.

That is probably not a comfortable idea for BD companies, especially for Sony who is apparently heavily subsidizing the entire move to the BD format in both hardware (PS3) and software (BD 50 and replication costs).

I wonder if it's one of the reasons that the biggest blu-ray player by far, the PS3 does not support upscaling of standard DVDs . I'm not sure but I have to wonder if Sony doesn't want PS3 owners comparing the visual quality of a good upscaled & cheaper sd-dvd to a blu-ray movie. Don't misunderstand me, I enjoy the quality difference but I can easily see a lot of consumers not seeing it as big enough to pay bd disk prices.

Interstingly, hd-dvd format, while clearly at a BIG disadvantage on announced studio support, seems to be in a better position to leverage sd-dvd than the bd format is. The Toshiba players are getting rep for great sd-dvd upscaling and the Xbox 360 supports very good sd-dvd upscaling in the only place it can by license over VGA.

If 360 adds support for HDMI as rumored then it will support even more sd-dvd upscaling. Personally I think legacy support could be hd-dvd's ace in the hole because the format also support Combo/Twin format disks. If the hd-dvd group were smart in their marketing (something I honestly question right now) they would REALLY play up their advantage in making "standard dvds" look much better along with offering "next-gen" dvd.

So the mass market consumers will still be closely aligned to sd-dvd and hd-dvd has potential advantage there.

The other of my couple points:

2) 2 Groups of consumers are determing the war, and the jury is still out there
Other than the mass market consumer the 2 groups of consumers that will determine the early outcome of the format war:

A) Early A/V adopters

B) Gamers

I have both the xbox hd-dvd and a PS3 so I'm dual format owner, however I own some 45+ hd-dvd and 15 Blu-ray, so my movie purchasing favors HD currently. I favor HD somewhat due to a few factors like better legacy support (Combo/Twin disks on hd-dvd only), less DRM (not for piracy, but concerned about possible onerous *extra* DRM on BD) and I like the idea that hd-dvd is more committed to advanced codec since I think it implies a more consistent quality.

Still I'm not so format loyal that I won't enjoy my man the Siliver Surfer in high def :) Still if early adopters continue to "lean" toward hd-dvd and buy more disks in hd-dvd that will probably keep this race close.

The other group, Gamers is turning into a much closer call than BD expected. PS3 provided a big boost to BD as expected, but then it was also less than expected as well. On the other hand the Xbox 360 hd-dvd addon fared better than expected so the movie buying Gamer market is still up for grabs.

BD has some nice gamer friendly releases in it's bag for sure (comic book characters for instance) however the stiff price of the PS3 and BD players has to be a real concern. The 360 hd-dvd drive is at $199 and it's not hard to see that it could go even lower later. Once gamers have a 360 hd-dvd is the easiest format to get into by far and right now there a LOT more 360 owners.

This is why I think the PS3 and Hollywood studios really need to win quickly for BD or in the long run this war could get pretty expensive for them and right now it's not clear of a handful of big movies in BD will be enough to end the war.

No, I wanted to show that your FUD doesn't work. You failed to mention that Universal's catalog of box office hits goes beyond your 20.




Please don't make me answer this. ;)




Yippy, I have about 650.




Me by alphabetical order. Easier for my wife to find a movie she wants to watch.




Rock on. I still have my HD DVD player and haven't really looked back since. To bad you sold all your movies you probably enjoyed just to make a point for yourself.

Everything else you said is opinion and your own experience, not fact. And I'm glad your happy. Personally, I really could care less about BD at this moment. When they release a player that to me is affordable, then I might go that way.

But until then, don't act like Universal couldn't go into their back catalog and bring out movies that aren't SD DVD replacements.

And I don't go on rumors, I go on what's real. When actual releases are announced, then that's different.

You really dont like me do you. I have nothing against Universal. I own many of there movies as I stated earlier. The Jurassic Parks are 3 of my all time favorites. I know they have a huge catalog, but again if you actually read either of my posts or did math you would realize that there catalog numbers and quality numbers cant keep up with 5 other studios combined in my eyed. The 14 of 20 number just shows that they have been trying to dump as much as they can out while they can before BD does the same. Also I didnt sell my HD player to prove a point. I just dont want 2 different players and 2 different formats and 2 different color cases. So in essence I was gonna focus on the company that as time went on would provide ME with the most chances to redo as much as my SD collection as possible and as many of my favorites as possible. I have stated and agree that it is my opinion that more studio Support equals more movies for ME.

You really dont like me do you. I have nothing against Universal. I own many of there movies as I stated earlier. The Jurassic Parks are 3 of my all time favorites. I know they have a huge catalog, but again if you actually read either of my posts or did math you would realize that there catalog numbers and quality numbers cant keep up with 5 other studios combined in my eyed. The 14 of 20 number just shows that they have been trying to dump as much as they can out while they can before BD does the same. Also I didnt sell my HD player to prove a point. I just dont want 2 different players and 2 different formats and 2 different color cases. So in essence I was gonna focus on the company that as time went on would provide ME with the most chances to redo as much as my SD collection as possible and as many of my favorites as possible. I have stated and agree that it is my opinion that more studio Support equals more movies for ME.

Well you looked at movies on both sides and made a choice.

I look at hardware and software sales as well as price points.

It is obvious to anyone with business sense that 300,000 players vs 40,000 players and software sales that remain highly in favor (1.5:1) of HD-DVD means that Studios as well as CEs will pay attention.

First we get a CE going to Neutral status (despite showing prototypes they only announced a BD player for release befores saying they were making a combo INSTEAD). Second we'll get more CE involvement and then some small Studio shakeups.

However over time, more CE and Studio support will switch towards neutrality. Gamers will not make a market, they can give a market a boost and a base, but they can't equal DVD sales on their own.

HD-DVD is doing extremely well and is healthy. More things will fall their way.

So for myself, I'm patient. My stores tell people to be patient.

Patience will result in more HD-DVD capable players and more HD-DVD studios.

By 2008 the picture will not be the same. It will be cloudy.

Well you looked at movies on both sides and made a choice.

I look at hardware and software sales as well as price points.

It is obvious to anyone with business sense that 300,000 players vs 40,000 players and software sales that remain highly in favor (1.5:1) of HD-DVD means that Studios as well as CEs will pay attention.

First we get a CE going to Neutral status (despite showing prototypes they only announced a BD player for release befores saying they were making a combo INSTEAD). Second we'll get more CE involvement and then some small Studio shakeups.

However over time, more CE and Studio support will switch towards neutrality. Gamers will not make a market, they can give a market a boost and a base, but they can't equal DVD sales on their own.

HD-DVD is doing extremely well and is healthy. More things will fall their way.

So for myself, I'm patient. My stores tell people to be patient.

Patience will result in more HD-DVD capable players and more HD-DVD studios.

By 2008 the picture will not be the same. It will be cloudy.

Again thats fine for you. But what you saying is you think over time that HD will catch up on studio support as YOU think some might go neutral eventually. Well I decided to go with the format that only needs one majore studio to go neutral to own every title. I decided to go with the format that alreeady has the support. Price isnt really and issue for me as I bought my Samsung on Ebay at a good price and now most BD and HD movies can be found for about the same price. Ive never tried to bash HD owners. Ive just tried to show why I made my choice so that others may do the same. Its to early in the war to think one format is gonna win over the other.

Ok here are some facts.

Some Directors have control of their Home Video releases. They can put a halt to them or get them put out early. It's their call.

Stephen Spielberg, George Lucas, Peter Jackson, and Sam Raimi are among those.

Sony would love to put Spider-man out on BD, but to my knowledge Raimi has yet to give an ok to it. So until then you wait.



LOL @ your "facts". Sony can do anything it wants with the its Spiderman properties...like give away 500k (or was it 1 million) free copies to people who bought PSP at launch.

Lucas and Spielberg can produce and finance their own films entirely if they wanted, they only need studios to distribute their films.

You really dont like me do you.

I don't remember saying that. What, do you think in a forum and a free exchange of ideas no one is permitted to disagree or take you to task on something you say? If so you are indeed in the wrong place. Might I suggest you start a closed blog or something.


I know they have a huge catalog, but again if you actually read either of my posts or did math you would realize that there catalog numbers and quality numbers cant keep up with 5 other studios combined in my eyed.

I did the math, and I very much disagree with you. I also know you aren't including Warner and Paramount, and Weinstein as HD DVD releases. You've opted to dismiss neutral studios. That said, Lucky Number Sleven was an awesome movie, and I can't wait to get it.


The 14 of 20 number just shows that they have been trying to dump as much as they can out while they can before BD does the same.

And yet they haven't "dumped" Jurassic Park, Blues Brothers, Master and Commander, or some of their other big catalog releases while BD companies are trying now to blitz the hype with theirs. You don't think for a second Universal has been simply waiting to see what the competition does before it makes it's next announcements? You apparently did and jumped ship early. That was your call.


Also I didnt sell my HD player to prove a point. I just dont want 2 different players and 2 different formats and 2 different color cases.

Yet you still own SD DVD, which are different color cases. And I'm just curious, what does having two different color cases matter? DVD cases are all different colors.

So you also wouldn't own two different video game consoles either by that logic, would you?


So in essence I was gonna focus on the company that as time went on would provide ME with the most chances to redo as much as my SD collection as possible and as many of my favorites as possible. I have stated and agree that it is my opinion that more studio Support equals more movies for ME.

And as I said, rock on. But that doesn't mean Universal has blown their HD DVD wad when CLEARLY they have big titles in their catalog they haven't announced yet. And that is where you will meet resistance.

Ok here are some facts:

Some Directors have control of their Home Video releases. They can put a halt to them or get them put out early. It's their call.

Stephen Spielberg, George Lucas, Peter Jackson, and Sam Raimi are among those.

How many of their movies are out on BD right now?

ZERO.

How many are out on HD-DVD?

TWO.

Sony would love to put Spider-man out on BD, but to my knowledge Raimi has yet to give an ok to it. So until then you wait.

Also by the time most of those titles get released on HD, the Studio Picture will be DIFFERENT. I know two studios that will be going neutral in 2007. The question is WHEN not IF to me.

STANDALONE PLAYERS: 300,000 HD-DVD sold to 40,000 BD.

The onlything keeping BD breathing is the PS3, and it's attach rates are not high enough to keep Studio Support. PS3 sales are not increasing CE standalone player sales like Sony said they would.

If you're a Studio, you remember how great DVD was. HD-DVD just beat DVD in first year sales.

That is something you notice. Meanwhile BD is having a horrible time selling players. They can sell video game machines, but not players.

One CE has left BD exclusivity already and announced they will make a combo player.

Studios aren't dumb.

Patience is all you need. Things will start swinging more to HD-DVD's side soon.

That number is pure fabrication and with it goes any shred of your credibility... :eek:

b2b

Some Directors have control of their Home Video releases. They can put a halt to them or get them put out early. It's their call.

Stephen Spielberg, George Lucas, Peter Jackson, and Sam Raimi are among those.

How many of their movies are out on BD right now?

ZERO.

How many are out on HD-DVD?

TWO.

Sony would love to put Spider-man out on BD, but to my knowledge Raimi has yet to give an ok to it. So until then you wait.


Let's see

George Lucas has directed what, 5 movies? 1 is under Universal, 1 under Warner and the rest under Fox. Of those, the 4 SW movies he directed have always had erratic availability, and with the 30th Anniversary this year, don't you think that if the BR discs are coming it'd be Xmas 2007?

Sam Raimi has no control over when they can release his movies. It takes a lot of hits in order to get that kind of power, and very few have it. 2 Spidey movies and some cult classics does not give one that power. Final cut? Yes. God of home video? No way. Spielburg sews that stuff up by making sure Amblin owns a big enough chunk of everything to give him that power. Why isn't Spidey on Blu-Ray? Could it be Spidey 3 in May? Hrmmmmmmm

Spielburg waited how long to release his stuff on DVD? Combine that with Paramount undoubtedly waiting for Universal's distribution contract with DreamWorks to expire. Do you really think they want to be tossing Universal 10% or so of the wholesale price if the ydon't have to on millions of copies of say Private Ryan?

Peter Jackson has 3 hit movies (Kong wasn't exactly a big hit, but if you want to count it, 4), all but one from a studio that has yet to jump into the HD wars. His DVD producer has already talked extensively about the new extras they want to do on the HD versions of LOTR so people don't feel ripped off rebuying.

Again thats fine for you. But what you saying is you think over time that HD will catch up on studio support as YOU think some might go neutral eventually. Well I decided to go with the format that only needs one majore studio to go neutral to own every title. I decided to go with the format that alreeady has the support. Price isnt really and issue for me as I bought my Samsung on Ebay at a good price and now most BD and HD movies can be found for about the same price. Ive never tried to bash HD owners. Ive just tried to show why I made my choice so that others may do the same. Its to early in the war to think one format is gonna win over the other.

The war already ended. It's going to be a tie.

Neutrality will be around the corner. With Universal and Sony holding out the longest.

Gamers will not make a market, they can give a market a boost and a base, but they can't equal DVD sales on their own.

When a market is 'niche' size anyway a boost and a base might be all the difference that's needed. Gamers could easily be the difference in what studios decide to do either way over the next year or so.

Just look at the balance of hd-dvd and blu-ray players and most of them already are video game consoles.

Let's see

George Lucas has directed what, 5 movies? 1 is under Universal, 1 under Warner and the rest under Fox. Of those, the 4 SW movies he directed have always had erratic availability, and with the 30th Anniversary this year, don't you think that if the BR discs are coming it'd be Xmas 2007?

Sam Raimi has no control over when they can release his movies. It takes a lot of hits in order to get that kind of power, and very few have it. 2 Spidey movies and some cult classics does not give one that power. Final cut? Yes. God of home video? No way. Spielburg sews that stuff up by making sure Amblin owns a big enough chunk of everything to give him that power. Why isn't Spidey on Blu-Ray? Could it be Spidey 3 in May? Hrmmmmmmm

Spielburg waited how long to release his stuff on DVD? Combine that with Paramount undoubtedly waiting for Universal's distribution contract with DreamWorks to expire. Do you really think they want to be tossing Universal 10% or so of the wholesale price if the ydon't have to on millions of copies of say Private Ryan?

Peter Jackson has 3 hit movies (Kong wasn't exactly a big hit, but if you want to count it, 4), all but one from a studio that has yet to jump into the HD wars. His DVD producer has already talked extensively about the new extras they want to do on the HD versions of LOTR so people don't feel ripped off rebuying.

See when you direct a movie like Spider-Man, and it does BETTER than analysts predicted and is a top 5 NA Box Hit of all time....

You get to negotiate your next contract better. Sam didn't sign for 3 films. He signed on for 1. Then another. Then another. Sam has creative control over the future releases.

Also Dreamworks' Catalog is controlled by DCM, not Universal and not Paramount. We still don't know their plans.

Last Lucas owns Star Wars outright. We very well may see HD content this year and when we do... they will be on HD-DVD. He was quoted I believe 5 years ago on the matter saying he would release them in 2007 on HD-DVD in their definitive collection. Plus statements he made at the Rose Parade pretty much were "Fox will release on whatever I tell them to."

Lucas wants HD-DVDs then FOX releases them on HD-DVD or Paramount will. Lucas gets what he wants.

You keep claiming you're here to stop HD-DVD FUD, but all you do is post your own FUD. You should look into things before posting them. I was right on all accounts about Raimi, etc.

When a market is 'niche' size anyway a boost and a base might be all the difference that's needed. Gamers could easily be the difference in what studios decide to do either way over the next year or so.

Just look at the balance of hd-dvd and blu-ray players and most of them already are video game consoles.

There are no HD-DVD game consoles.

There are only devices made strictly for viewing movies on HD-DVD.

Sure this is a "niche" market. However attachment rates are aweful on the game console, and that same console makes up over 90% of the total players in it's format. That isn't appealing to any honest Studio Rep.

A Studio Rep or President may say "BD is wonderful," but behind closed doors and definately not to the press they are saying "This is horrible!"

Thanks tsd2005
2 studios going nuetral this year will be great for hddvd.
I would love gladiator and jurasik park on hddvd---will be awesome.
Where's petra's take on this lol :D

There are no HD-DVD game consoles.

There are only devices made strictly for viewing movies on HD-DVD.

Sure this is a "niche" market. However attachment rates are aweful on the game console, and that same console makes up over 90% of the total players in it's format. That isn't appealing to any honest Studio Rep.

A Studio Rep or President may say "BD is wonderful," but behind closed doors and definately not to the press they are saying "This is horrible!"

I agree with the difference between the PS3 and 360 hd-dvd addon in terms of how much they might 'count' tsd.

My point is though that those 360 hd-dvd addons are the majority of hd-dvd players already and I think it's fair to say that most of them were bought by gamers who already owned or wanted an Xbox 360. Gamers boosted hd-dvd just as they did BD but BD is counting on gamers more.

I agree with the difference between the PS3 and 360 hd-dvd addon in terms of how much they might 'count' tsd.

My point is though that those 360 hd-dvd addons are the majority of hd-dvd players already and I think it's fair to say that most of them were bought by gamers who already owned or wanted an Xbox 360. Gamers boosted hd-dvd just as they did BD but BD is counting on gamers more.

120,000 vs 25,000. No addons... according to Adams Media Research.

Even with 150,000 addons, HD-DVD is going STRONGLY compared to BD.

Price does matter.

Plus statements he made at the Rose Parade pretty much were "Fox will release on whatever I tell them to."

Lucas wants HD-DVDs then FOX releases them on HD-DVD or Paramount will. Lucas gets what he wants.


What did he say at the Rose Parade?

Anyone know?

You keep claiming you're here to stop HD-DVD FUD, but all you do is post your own FUD. You should look into things before posting them. I was right on all accounts about Raimi, etc.All I see you doing in most of these threads is (essentially) making things up as you go. You make a lot of claims, claim a lot of "inside info", and (un)helpfully don't provide any method of verification or proof (read: links please, and not to some blogger claiming to know something because his friends-brothers-girlfriends-uncle heard it from his studio buddy).

It's really hard to take you seriously when you post grossly incorrect info about player sales too, BTW.

could someone tell me why would George Lucas release something on HD-DVD instead of bluray? because i find that amusing.

George Lucas is a technut. he simply releases on the system that has the best techspecs combined with sales.

so far more then million ps3 sold. and you can bet those gamers will buy star wars direct when it comes out on bluray. or would anyone think that gamers wont buy those? because i find that amusing. you see. gamers do buy movies as i have said thousand of times. they might not buy something like the searchers. but they will buy star wars as they will buy x-men.

all george lucas has to do. is release only 1 star wars this year at the 30th aniversary. could be episode 1 all i care. then next year episode 2 etc. and then every year 1. this way george will make big $$$ every year.

could someone tell me why would George Lucas release something on HD-DVD instead of bluray? because i find that amusing.

I don't think anyone is implying he would only release it on HD DVD. He might want it on both.

so far more then million ps3 sold. and you can bet those gamers will buy star wars direct when it comes out on bluray. or would anyone think that gamers wont buy those? because i find that amusing. you see. gamers do buy movies as i have said thousand of times. they might not buy something like the searchers. but they will buy star wars as they will buy x-men.

This is what concerns me a little about BD. I hope it doesn't turn into another UMD, with a library loaded with action, sci-fi, horror, mainstream comedies, and comic book movies from the past few years.

Now, before anyone chimes in with "but I have a PS3 and I like older movies in a variety of genres," let me explain that I'm not making a judgment about PS3 owners myself (after all, I will be buying a PS3 soon). I'm just saying that it might be the perception of the studios that those are the kinds of movies PS3 owners want. I just hope that in addition to releasing those, they will follow Warner's example and also satisfy those of us who have different tastes who want more movies like The Searchers. :)

This is what concerns me a little about BD. I hope it doesn't turn into another UMD, with a library loaded with action, sci-fi, horror, mainstream comedies, and comic book movies from the past few years.

Now, before anyone chimes in with "but I have a PS3 and I like older movies in a variety of genres," let me explain that I'm not making a judgment about PS3 owners myself (after all, I will be buying a PS3 soon). I'm just saying that it might be the perception of the studios that those are the kinds of movies PS3 owners want. I just hope that in addition to releasing those, they will follow Warner's example and also satisfy those of us who have different tastes who want more movies like The Searchers. :)

It just that those kind of movies are hot right now. That is where studios make there money as they all have huge followings. You cant sell systems with low budget flics although many are great. Just be patient with those and hopefully they will come soon.

Ok here are some facts:

Some Directors have control of their Home Video releases. They can put a halt to them or get them put out early. It's their call.

Stephen Spielberg, George Lucas, Peter Jackson, and Sam Raimi are among those.
Oops. There go the dying vestiges of your credibility.

NO DIRECTOR HAS CONTROL OF HOME VIDEO OR THEATRE DISTRIBUTION.

Some producers weild that kind of power, but only if they own a sufficiently large slice of the pie. Niether Peter Jackson or Sam Rami do. At least not on the blockbuster's they've been hired to direct. Lucas owns the Star Wars movies so it's up to Lucus when and where they are distributed.

One CE has left BD exclusivity already and announced they will make a combo player.
As has been patiently explained to you by a number of people (including Amir) LG have maintained their format neutrality since before last years CES where they displayed both BD and HD DVD players.

Patience is all you need. Things will start swinging more to HD-DVD's side soon.
Which reveals your purpose on this board, I guess.

Well, I think there's a middle ground between a director who has complete control (Lucas with SW) vs. the run of the mill director who has no control. Spielberg, for example, may not have complete control over his video releases, but if he tells the studios to hold them back, they will comply so that they won't piss him off. Releasing titles against his wishes, while within the studios' rights, would hurt the possibility of them working with him in the future.

As has been patiently explained to you by a number of people (including Amir) LG have maintained their format neutrality since before last years CES where they displayed both BD and HD DVD players.

this is BS .. everybody knows (from CE perspective) HD DVD has only the support of Toshiba (RCA). This mediated reality was what BDA successfully created. This is true especially in the Blu-ray threads. Now that an official announcement of a combo player has been made, all of sudden, HD DVD has more CE support than Toshiba (RCA) just to play down the fact BDA is losing support ;)

Well, I think there's a middle ground between a director who has complete control (Lucas with SW) vs. the run of the mill director who has no control. Spielberg, for example, may not have complete control over his video releases, but if he tells the studios to hold them back, they will comply so that they won't piss him off. Releasing titles against his wishes, while within the studios' rights, would hurt the possibility of them working with him in the future.
Spielberg is a producer on almost all of his movies, and owns a chunk of them. This is what entitles him to a say in their distribution. Though as you say I doubt Studios would want to antagonise him and lose his future income.

http://www.blu-raydisc.com/assets/extramodule/newlogos-13378.jpg

Can't seem to find the LG logo on the HD DVD site.

The intersting thing to me is that most of those movies listed as Blu-Ray only I could give 2 craps about. Its weird how the companies that are blu-ray only supporters continously pump out crap. They have 1 or 2 gems on occasion, but the list is pretty weak.

You can buy a DVD version for Universal titles.

The PS3 doesn't upconvert DVD.

The intersting thing to me is that most of those movies listed as Blu-Ray only I could give 2 craps about. Its weird how the companies that are blu-ray only supporters continously pump out crap. They have 1 or 2 gems on occasion, but the list is pretty weak.

That is your opinion but the general consensus based on Movie ticket and DVD sales will put you in the minority.

Last Lucas owns Star Wars outright.

and Sony owns Spiderman outright. Sony purchased the rights from marvel, produced and financed the films entirely. All Sam Raimi did was direct. Why would Sony give him any control of the Spiderman properties? might as well give control to Tobey McGuire too.

You keep claiming you're here to stop HD-DVD FUD, but all you do is post your own FUD. You should look into things before posting them. I was right on all accounts about Raimi, etc.

Right about what? not only are you wrong about Sam Raimi, you're wrong about Peter Jackson as well, since he has no control over the LOTR films either.

And yet they haven't "dumped" Jurassic Park, Blues Brothers, Master and Commander, or some of their other big catalog releases

Master and Commander is a Fox title, and will be coming to BR this year.

You get to negotiate your next contract better. Sam didn't sign for 3 films. He signed on for 1. Then another. Then another. Sam has creative control over the future releases.

He got final cut. He did not get control over the video release schedule. The only place he has approval is on the transfer and the cut of the film used.

Last Lucas owns Star Wars outright. We very well may see HD content this year and when we do... they will be on HD-DVD. He was quoted I believe 5 years ago on the matter saying he would release them in 2007 on HD-DVD in their definitive collection

Oh christ, that was before there WAS a format war. He was using the term in the generic.

Fox is the distributor of Star Wars, now and forever. They are BR exclusive. Lucas was going to do Ep1-3 through DreamWorks, then Fox offered him the copyright on A New Hope to sign with them permanently. He took it. And I can guarantee you that Sony will make it worthwhile for Lucas to hold back SW if he's really that hot on releasing on HD-DVD. My guess is that he won't be. All they'll have to do is toss a bunch of big movies ILM's way and Lucas should be a happy camper.



2 studios going nuetral this year will be great for hddvd

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They're not, it was FUD. Confirmed by the studios and the BDA last week.

[quote]120,000 vs 25,000. No addons... according to Adams Media Research.

Thate would be 120,000 vs 1.18 million. The PS3 is a standalone player, not an addon no matter how much HD-DVD fanboys want to split hairs. It can play BR out of the box, it's standalone.


This is what concerns me a little about BD. I hope it doesn't turn into another UMD, with a library loaded with action, sci-fi, horror, mainstream comedies, and comic book movies from the past few years.

UMD was always a "gamer format". Basically the only things that have been coming out on it after the first 6 months are the proven stuff like South Park or Family guy. BD is a mainstream format

The PS3 is no more a standalone Blu-Ray player than the PS2 was a standalone DVD player. Both are games consoles.

Master and Commander is a Fox title, and will be coming to BR this year.

Master and Commander is a Fox, Miramax, and Universal title. It was co-produced by all three.

However, you are correct, I think Fox may have distribution rights. I thought Universal did, but only in Japan apparently.

But I haven't seen an announcement for BR yet either.

But I haven't seen an announcement for BR yet either.

There's a whole ton ot title announcements coming at CES, M&C is supposed to be one of them

Well, when there is an announcement, then you can say it's coming. Until then it's the same speculation as my other Universal movies.

Fox is the distributor of Star Wars, now and forever. They are BR exclusive. Lucas was going to do Ep1-3 through DreamWorks, then Fox offered him the copyright on A New Hope to sign with them permanently. He took it. And I can guarantee you that Sony will make it worthwhile for Lucas to hold back SW if he's really that hot on releasing on HD-DVD. My guess is that he won't be. All they'll have to do is toss a bunch of big movies ILM's way and Lucas should be a happy camper.


Quit lying in this forum. Unless you know EXACTLY what you're talking about. You are spewing forth non-stop lies.

1. Sam Raimi DOES have creative control of all releases of Spider-Man films in theaters and on home video.

2. LucasFilm owns the distribution rights to every Star Wars film. Your little story is just that a story. It's 100% fabricated and a lie. George's original deal with FOX was unheard of at the time, he kept sequel rights, merchandising rights, etc. FOX thought they were ripping him off. The decision cost FOX 100s of millions of dollars.

George gained 100% distribution rights to the series when Rupert Murdoch bought FOX. See George had a KEY MAN CLAUSE . All rights were terminated with a new owner.

FOX was totally screwed over by the Prequels. The deal signed was for a distribution fee, they didn't even get a bit of the Box Office Receipts.

George can release the titles on whatever format he wants. FOX can do nothing about it. It's George's decision. As of the Rose Parade that was HD-DVD.

I bet they get released on both formats.

I'll update the "AFI Top 10" sticky thread on releases and studio leanings when I get back form CES next week.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=715977

Raimi doesn't have the clout or power to control Spiderman, or does he?

Quit lying in this forum. Unless you know EXACTLY what you're talking about. You are spewing forth non-stop lies.

Apologise immediately.

1. Sam Raimi DOES have creative control of all releases of Spider-Man films in theaters and on home video.

Proof please. Standard DGA contract stipulates that he has approval of the transfer, and he may well have final cut. He has no control over the video release schedule. The only people who have that are the people who actually co-produce like Coppola, Lucas, Spielburg.

2. LucasFilm owns the distribution rights to every Star Wars film. Your little story is just that a story. It's 100% fabricated and a lie. George's original deal with FOX was unheard of at the time, he kept sequel rights, merchandising rights, etc. FOX thought they were ripping him off. The decision cost FOX 100s of millions of dollars.

Do you know what distribution means? It means that Lucasfilm pays them a fee to get the product to theaters and market. It does not mean that Fox owns them. Until the pickup on Episode 1, Fox owned the copyright on the original Star Wars, which they gave to him as part of the deal. Until that time Lucas only owned Empire and Jedi lock stock and barrel.


pquote]FOX was totally screwed over by the Prequels. The deal signed was for a distribution fee, they didn't even get a bit of the Box Office Receipts. [/quote]

They get a fee for doing nothing for producing and mailing tens of thousands of prints around the world, and a chunk of every DVD that was handed too them all produced and they just had to run and ship that sold tens of millions of copies

Damn, they got totally screwed.

Quit lying in this forum. Unless you know EXACTLY what you're talking about. You are spewing forth non-stop lies.

1. Sam Raimi DOES have creative control of all releases of Spider-Man films in theaters and on home video.

You really don't seem to understand this whole area of the motion picture business, but please don't stop, it's fun to watch you trip over your own feet all the time. Creative control is a term to describe just that: creative decisions, which are artistic choices. That has nothing to do with distribution on DVD or in theatres. Now please continue, oh knowledgable one...

Do you know what distribution means? It means that Lucasfilm pays them a fee to get the product to theaters and market. It does not mean that Fox owns them. Until the pickup on Episode 1, Fox owned the copyright on the original Star Wars, which they gave to him as part of the deal. Until that time Lucas only owned Empire and Jedi lock stock and barrel.


You're just wrong. Lucasfilm makes all decisions. Fox gets paid but gets no part of the sales. FOX gets the right to distibute the titles to whomever George tells them to. IF they breech their contract, then George will have Paramount release the titles. Anyone who took any kind of business film classes in school learned all about how George Lucas created an empire out of the films. It's tought in any s school that's worth a damn. The KEY MAN clause turned out to be the most beneficial clause in the contract. I'd suggest you learn all about it. Because otherwise you're just saying something is a fact without knowing about it.

Sam Raimi didn't sign a standard DGA contract. He signed a new contract for each film. With each new contract signed Sam got more. You can whine all you want about it, but Sam has helped with all the HD content being made for their future releases.

You really don't seem to understand this whole area of the motion picture business, but please don't stop, it's fun to watch you trip over your own feet all the time. Creative control is a term to describe just that: creative decisions, which are artistic choices. That has nothing to do with distribution on DVD or in theatres. Now please continue, oh knowledgable one...

I work in the business. I know what creative control means. I know that it can and has repeatedly delayed releases on home video. Blade Runner ring a bell?

Lucas on the otherhand has total ownership of his products.

It's stupid of Wicky to post that Sam's contract is a standard DGA contract, when it's far from it.

It's stupid of Wicky to post about rights to Star Wars and FOX having anything to do with it. The control in that situation is ENTIRELY up to Lucas. If Lucas says release to HD-DVD. Fox will. Because they don't want Paramount doing it.

ou're just wrong. Lucasfilm makes all decisions. Fox gets paid but gets no part of the sales. FOX gets the right to distibute the titles to whomever George tells them to. IF they breech their contract, then George will have Paramount release the titles

George Lucas can't leave Fox, that was the deal. There was a Biiig broohaha about it back in 96-97 when the deal was made.

Fox fronted all the money for Star Wars, and owned Star Wars up until then, while Lucas personally financed Empire and Jedi, and therefore owned them himself

Have you read Sam Raimi's contract? Because if not, we have to assume it IS standard, and likely with a final cut clause. So unless you have a clip of Sam Raimi talking about how he rules the roost on Spider-Man, you're just blowing smoke

Last Lucas owns Star Wars outright. We very well may see HD content this year and when we do... they will be on HD-DVD. He was quoted I believe 5 years ago on the matter saying he would release them in 2007 on HD-DVD in their definitive collection.You claim to be upset about others posting things that aren't true here, but the above is one of the most ridiculous things I've read on this forum. Please step back for a moment and consider what it would mean if George Lucas said 5 years ago that he would release his movies on high definition DVD in 2007, at a time when people didn't know we would be in the midst of a format war in 2007 and names weren't decided, let alone other things. And not that it is really relevant, but Toshiba's format is HD DVD, not HD-DVD.

As far as accurate or inaccurate information, I guess people shouldn't have to wait long to see if your claim just recently that Lionsgate was going to announce neutrality at CES ends up being true.

--Darin

George Lucas can't leave Fox, that was the deal. There was a Biiig broohaha about it back in 96-97 when the deal was made.

Fox fronted all the money for Star Wars, and owned Star Wars up until then, while Lucas personally financed Empire and Jedi, and therefore owned them himself

Have you read Sam Raimi's contract? Because if not, we have to assume it IS standard, and likely with a final cut clause. So unless you have a clip of Sam Raimi talking about how he rules the roost on Spider-Man, you're just blowing smoke

fine post a link to this big broohaha. It doesn't exist. It's your way of changing the facts. It's your way to get people to ignore that Lucas has total control of his products.

Because otherwise you're just full of it.

As for Raimi you're just arguing to argue. That's your job right? Negative spin on anything you can?

FACT: Spider-Man while advertised all over BD adverts is not out on BD.

You claim to be upset about others posting things that aren't true here, but the above is one of the most ridiculous things I've read on this forum. Please step back for a moment and consider what it would mean if George Lucas said 5 years ago that he would release his movies on high definition DVD in 2007, at a time when people didn't know we would be in the midst of a format war in 2007 and names weren't decided, let alone other things. And not that it is really relevant, but Toshiba's format is HD DVD, not HD-DVD.

As far as accurate or inaccurate information, I guess people shouldn't have to wait long to see if your claim just recently that Lionsgate was going to announce neutrality at CES ends up being true.

--Darin

All my numbers have been backed up by official sources after stating them. My price on the Samsung was proven RIGHT when someone said it should be around $500. I said it was $800.

LGF is going HD-DVD and are fully prepared for it. I've been told it will happen, and I'm sure it will. I was told in 2007 we'd hear something.

If they don't announce at CES it won't stop that fact, it just means that Sony put pressure on them and that perhaps they can't announce before their contract of exclusivity runs out. I've also always said that things could change. Sony has every reason to keep that announcement delayed.

It's sad that you people keep waiting for me to be wrong about one thing so you can gloat about it.

LGF is going HD-DVD and are fully prepared for it. I've been told it will happen, and I'm sure it will. I was told in 2007 we'd hear something. If you were told it would happen in 2007, then why did you tell people here that it would happen at CES?

--Darin

Actually with the Star Wars films it was my understanding that the Key Man clause for the films only extended to 1, 2, and 3. A while back when TPM was being filmed I thought I had read that Fox owned rights to the original trilogy, and Lucas did not sell the prequel to Fox and totally owns those. Fox got a distribution fee for those movies but did not receive any of the box office gross on it.

Now granted, this was what, 1998? That may have changed since then. But it is CONCEIVABLE, and I stress that word so none of the fanboys go up in arms to attack, that Fox would put the original trilogy on BD, and Lucas would decide to support both BD and HD DVD and release them himself or get another studio to do it. I'm not saying that will happen, but IIAR then that could happen.


Also, remember Lucas has had a VERY heavy hand in the DVD distribution of any of his Star Wars movies. I was an early DVD adopter and I remember Lucas pretty much forcing Fox to delay releasing Star Wars on DVD until he was satisfied. So take that for what it's worth as well.

If you were told it would happen in 2007, then why did you tell people here that it would happen at CES?

--Darin

I've been told that there is a 100% chance they will release HD-DVDs in 2007. Robert George hinted it could be earlier on one of his posts if memory serves.

I was told months ago they would announce at CES.

I've heard nothing different, but I know that Sony has put a lot of pressure on Disney, so I guess the same is likely true for LGF.

I was an early DVD adopter and I remember Lucas pretty much forcing Fox to delay releasing Star Wars on DVD until he was satisfied. So take that for what it's worth as well.



Lucas originally thought that DVD would last about 5 years and then fade into highdef by 2003-4. Since that didn't happen, he had to put the stuff on DVD because no one was going to buy the VHS versions anymore. Basically it was a player concentration combined with market pressure.

Even if you combined every HD capable medium out there right now, including DVHS there isn't even a 50th of the critical mass required to move him to release anyway. Personally I'll be shocked if we don't see at least one of the trilogies by Christmas, simply because it's the 30th Anniversary, but my money's on prequel.

[quote]I've heard nothing different, but I know that Sony has put a lot of pressure on Disney, so I guess the same is likely true for LGF.[/quote[

Just like you know that Toshiba and Microsoft are paying Universal big bucks. It's all the "who's willing to spend the most money" game. But when it's 5 against 1, plus all the CEs but one (and a half now), it's a foregone conclusion who's going to last the longest. There's only so much money they're going to be willing to lose.

Lucas originally thought that DVD would last about 5 years and then fade into highdef by 2003-4. Since that didn't happen, he had to put the stuff on DVD because no one was going to buy the VHS versions anymore. Basically it was a player concentration combined with market pressure.

Even if you combined every HD capable medium out there right now, including DVHS there isn't even a 50th of the critical mass required to move him to release anyway. Personally I'll be shocked if we don't see at least one of the trilogies by Christmas, simply because it's the 30th Anniversary, but my money's on prequel.

[quote]I've heard nothing different, but I know that Sony has put a lot of pressure on Disney, so I guess the same is likely true for LGF.[/quote[

Just like you know that Toshiba and Microsoft are paying Universal big bucks. It's all the "who's willing to spend the most money" game. But when it's 5 against 1, plus all the CEs but one (and a half now), it's a foregone conclusion who's going to last the longest. There's only so much money they're going to be willing to lose.

Stop posting. Now you're telling me you know what George thought. Plus you're screwing with facts.

I can point to his quote where he stated in 2007 he'd release his definitive version of the films on HD-DVD. At the time Blu-Ray and HD-DVD were both in the works. He didn't ever think HD-DVD would be around in 2003 or 2004.

You don't know the man, and you don't know how he thinks. He loved LD when it had nothing near the number of players sold. He loved the idea of HD-DVD when he heard it, and will be a champion of the HD content technologies. He already has had the titles redone in Hi-Def, there are transfers ready.

Stop posting. Now you're telling me you know what George thought. Plus you're screwing with facts.


These were the kinds of things being batted around when they were holding back releasing on DVD.

I can point to his quote where he stated in 2007 he'd release his definitive version of the films on HD-DVD.

And if you, as the one ACTUALLY screwing with quotes would look at it in context, he was using HD-DVD as a generic term for high-def optical disc. There WAS no format war then, nor did either format exist.

He loved LD when it had nothing near the number of players sold.

Of course he did. But LD was always an enthusiast format only, and never made it to the mainstream. It offered the highest quality image available, so of course it was his favorite. If it was going to sell big, it would have done so long before its era ended, and he knew what he was getting into.

THere's too much money involved now, they can't afford enthusiast formats that will move 5000 copies. Pressing LDs was expensive, but mastering them was cheap enough that even tiny companies could afford it, so long as people were paying $40 a pop. That's not going to fly anymore.

The intersting thing to me is that most of those movies listed as Blu-Ray only I could give 2 craps about. Its weird how the companies that are blu-ray only supporters continously pump out crap. They have 1 or 2 gems on occasion, but the list is pretty weak.

I guess you were first in line to buy master pieces like King Kong and Hulk. :rolleyes:

There are good movies on both sides.

I find it hillarious when whenever there's a poll in the HD DVD forum about "Which Blu-ray movies you wish was on HD DVD" and there are always a number of people who will say: "None! Nothing interests me", and then Studio Canal or someone releases a Blu-ray title in Europe, these same people go nuts over it. T2, Underworld, Rambo comes to mind.

Just like you know that Toshiba and Microsoft are paying Universal big bucks. It's all the "who's willing to spend the most money" game. But when it's 5 against 1, plus all the CEs but one (and a half now), it's a foregone conclusion who's going to last the longest. There's only so much money they're going to be willing to lose.

Links? Quotes?


I can point to his quote where he stated in 2007 he'd release his definitive version of the films on HD-DVD. At the time Blu-Ray and HD-DVD were both in the works. He didn't ever think HD-DVD would be around in 2003 or 2004.

You don't know the man, and you don't know how he thinks. He loved LD when it had nothing near the number of players sold. He loved the idea of HD-DVD when he heard it, and will be a champion of the HD content technologies. He already has had the titles redone in Hi-Def, there are transfers ready.

Again links/quotes but more because I'd like a ray of hope, as much as I prefer the original non-tinkered with versions (which I've got the LD box set of), I would still love to have em on my preferred HD format (HD-DVD).

These were the kinds of things being batted around when they were holding back releasing on DVD.


Batted around by whom exactly?

George knew what he was talking about and he knew the difference between HD--DVD and BD. Now you're implying that he doesn't know the difference.

Quit spinning. Lucas when he releases will likely release on both formats and if that's the only release by FOX in 2007 I wouldn't be shocked.

Since you know George and what he thinks give him a call and find out.

Links? Quotes?

Sorry, they don't talk about those things in public. There's definately major incentives being traded by both sides though, that's standard for how the game is played. Since Toshiba and MS don't have anythign else to offer Universal, they're giving them money somehow. Notice how Universal (whose music division is ironically only in the BR camp) is getting a chunk of every Zune sold, and good positioning for their stuff on Xbox live and the MS/MTV music service?

Batted around by whom exactly?

George knew what he was talking about and he knew the difference between HD--DVD and BD. Now you're implying that he doesn't know the difference.


Go into the archives of DVD File and The Digital Bits and search for Star Wars, the whole saga is laid out.

OK, this is the third time I've stated this

The quotes you're looking at come from long before there WAS HD DVD or Blu-Ray, and he's using the term in the generic.

Wickywoo is indeed correct regarding the copyright for A New Hope. It was owned outright by Fox back in 1996.

Time Magazine article regarding this from 1996 (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,985238,00.html)

Wickywoo is indeed correct regarding the copyright for A New Hope. It was owned outright by Fox back in 1996.

Time Magazine article regarding this from 1996 (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,985238,00.html)

No he is not. He made no deal with FOX that stated they got distribution control or anything like he suggests. Lucas owned all but distribution rights to the first film (episode 4). He did make a deal with FOX that resulted in him gaining those rights. It did not state that FOX was guaranteed distribution rights for eternity on Star Wars like he implies.

Fox also has a big bargaining chip: Lucas owns the copyrights to the Empire and Jedi installments, but Star Wars belongs to Fox. A friend says Lucas wants to complete his collection; Fox might be willing to trade its copyright for an international film- and television-distribution deal

LOS ANGELES, April 2, 1998 - Peter Chernin, President and COO of News Corporation and Chairman and CEO of the Fox Group, announced today that 20th Century Fox has entered into a far-reaching agreement with Lucasfilm Ltd. to distribute the next three Star Wars films, which are prequels to the original Star Wars trilogy. Fox will handle the worldwide theatrical and video distribution for all three of the upcoming films. In addition, Fox Broadcasting Company has licensed the network broadcasting rights to the first of the new films, tentatively titled "Episode I."

http://www.starwars.com/episode-i/release/promo/news19980402.html

You have now been proven conclusively wrong(thanks for the link Jack)

You keep splitting the hairs finer, and don't start with any BS that "far-reaching" is not defined. It's not goign to be defined without a subpoena either. It's simply standard code for "long term and broad".
While it may not mean forever, it certainly does mean decades.

Apologize for calling me a liar, or Wjust keep digging your hole deeper.

It's sad that you people keep waiting for me to be wrong about one thing so you can gloat about it.
....
I've been told that there is a 100% chance they will release HD-DVDs in 2007. Robert George hinted it could be earlier on one of his posts if memory serves.

I was told months ago they would announce at CES.

I've heard nothing different, but I know that Sony has put a lot of pressure on Disney, so I guess the same is likely true for LGF.I'm starting to notice a pattern with you and I think it is disappointing. You seem to hear a little bit of information and then go off making your own claims. I'm still wondering about your claim that Universal did a study with a 1.5Mbps codec with thousands of examples where they determined that there was no difference with lossless (or something close to that as I can look back for your exact claim if you say this isn't it) that I asked you to backup by telling us some details (like what codec was used and when this occurred), where I don't think you ever addressed it. Even in this thread you stated:
STANDALONE PLAYERS: 300,000 HD-DVD sold to 40,000 BD.

The onlything keeping BD breathing is the PS3, and it's attach rates are not high enough to keep Studio Support. PS3 sales are not increasing CE standalone player sales like Sony said they would.

If you're a Studio, you remember how great DVD was. HD-DVD just beat DVD in first year sales.So you claim that HD DVD beat DVD, but when Toshiba does their press release they don't state anything like that. Instead, they say:
Fueled by brisk sales of second-generation Toshiba HD DVD players, the
HD DVD drive for Xbox 360, and HD DVD-enabled Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo
laptops and desktop PCs from companies like Acer, HP, Niveus and Toshiba,
HD DVD's installed base is estimated to have exceeded 175,000 in North
America.I doubt very much they looked at 300,000 and decided to say that it exceeded 175,000.

For a person who has posted things like:
Quit lying in this forum. Unless you know EXACTLY what you're talking about.You sure seem to post some things as facts that you don't know about. I think a lot of people would appreciate if you start being a little more careful about claims you make and make it more clear what you are guessing on.

If you think that you were telling the truth when you claimed the HD DVD just beat DVD in first year sales, please tell us the reason you believe that (and please at least keep it logical).

--Darin

Mis-information is worse than spin....well, sometimes it's the same thing. :)

I work in the business. I know what creative control means. I know that it can and has repeatedly delayed releases on home video. Blade Runner ring a bell?
I think we can all tell which business you're in! But Blade Runner, huh? Stopped by those with creative control? Please dig yourself in deeper by explaining just what creative involvement Perenchio had with Blade Runner... Or are you going to try and back out of this one as well?

Just a few days left for Lions Gate to announce they're going HD DVD... ;)

I guess you were first in line to buy master pieces like King Kong and Hulk. :rolleyes:

There are good movies on both sides.

I find it hillarious when whenever there's a poll in the HD DVD forum about "Which Blu-ray movies you wish was on HD DVD" and there are always a number of people who will say: "None! Nothing interests me", and then Studio Canal or someone releases a Blu-ray title in Europe, these same people go nuts over it. T2, Underworld, Rambo comes to mind.

I'm honest with myself at least as far as what I like. The only thing I've imported so far are the Pianist and Equillibrium which isn't available on Blu-Ray either.

When I look at the current Blu-Ray release list of the 100+ titles out there. There are only about 5 titles out of that list that I can't get on HD-DVD that I really want. The others I could care less about. Now if the major blu-ray companies got on the ball like Fox and released Star Wars, Indiana Jones, and Aliens then I'd run out to get a blu-ray player.

this format war is like a street fight, If you and your 2 other friends (Toshiba,Universal) are in the street and you see a 150 bad guys (150 members in BDA) coming after you to beat you up...who do you think is going to win...it's 3 vs 150.

I guess the important question is, "Do the 3 know kung fu?" :D

Seriously, as someone else already stated, things are fluid right now. So I'm still not interested in predicting a winner. But Warner is the lifeblood of HD-DVD right now as far as titles go. Without Warner, HD-DVD is nothing except Universal's back catalog of titles.

I doubt very much they looked at 300,000 and decided to say that it exceeded 175,000.


Exactly, because unlike PS3, they can't claim the 360 addon as a player, because it's not a standalone device