Looking to add a steering wheel and wanted to know what will work?

FYI, force feedback will not work on the PS3...and according to reports (http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/01/06/force-feedback-extends-its-alienation-to-all-ps3-controllers/), it may never! :mad:

Force feedback works fine on NFS Carbon, I've got both the Logitech Driving Force Pro and the Logitech G25, tested both of them, force feedback works with both of them. I don't know how these stupid rumors get started.

I guess I really just want to know if any usb wheel will work on the PS3.

Force feedback works fine on NFS Carbon, I've got both the Logitech Driving Force Pro and the Logitech G25, tested both of them, force feedback works with both of them. I don't know how these stupid rumors get started.

I think a lot of it is because of GT:HD.

Teisco, for a Force Feedback wheel I'd recommend the Driving Force Pro. Very high quality and for games that do support Force Feedback it's done very well on that wheel. It's also designed for the PS2 so the typical Playstation buttons (square, triangle, select, start, etc) are on it too.

Unfortunately only NFS:C supports Force Feedback (and I guess RR7 has rumble and resistance but no actual Force Feedback). F1, GT:HD, and Motorstorm are confirmed not to have it. For games that don't have it, It would acually be better to have a non-Force Feedback wheel that at least provides it's own turning resistance and a spring back to center. On the Driving Force Pro you can actually loose your center position if you've gone 1 1/2 turns in one direction because there's absolutely no feedback as to where the wheel position is. So you turn the wheel back to upright only to realize that you're still an entire turn off the actual center.

Time will tell whether other games support Force Feedback or not but at this point I'm very worried. I don't even know if non-FF wheels at least spring to center on their own, but right now they'd be my choice for F1, if they exist.

Thanks, are there any racing games that support the sixaxis? Or any games that support it?

A number of games support it in a fairly limitted manner. Motorstorm and Blazing Angels utilize it quite extensively. It's an amazingly poor substitute for a wheel though.

anyone have a list of wheels FF or not that are supported via PS3. Will any PS2 USB wheel work? Any that will work on Xbox 360 and PS3?

I hooked up a thrustmaster usb wheel and it did nothing. The game had a message window that said Unsupported USB Device.

I called Sony Support and they say only a few Logitec wheels work but on the Logitek site they only show them for the PS2.

I bought a wheel for the PS2 and thought it would work with the PS3 but the input is not usb and I found that a PS2 to usb adapter could make it work but Sony said it mostly likely would not.

I think we have found a hole in the dike here. No real wheel support for this system.

If anyone has any wheel that they made work with PS3 please post which wheel and how you made it work.

FYI, force feedback will not work on the PS3...and according to reports (http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/01/06/force-feedback-extends-its-alienation-to-all-ps3-controllers/), it may never! :mad:
Not true. My USB Logitech MOMO steering wheel (made originally for PC) works with my PS3. Full force feedback, centering return, and rumble features with NFS: Carbon.

I personally have not heard of **ANY** USB steering wheel NOT working with the PS3, but I'm sure they're out there. Whether each one will also do FF or not is another issue.

PS2 and thought it would work with the PS3 but the input is not usb and I found that a PS2 to usb adapter could make it work but Sony said it mostly likely would not.

I think we have found a hole in the dike here. No real wheel support for this system.

If anyone has any wheel that they made work with PS3 please post which wheel and how you made it work.
Well right from this thread you have confirmation of the MOMO, G25, and DFP all working. All 3 are USB and they just plug in and work.

Force feedback works fine on NFS Carbon, I've got both the Logitech Driving Force Pro and the Logitech G25, tested both of them, force feedback works with both of them. I don't know how these stupid rumors get started.That's good to know! I actually have the Force Pro too.

F1, GT:HD, and Motorstorm are confirmed not to have it. For games that don't have it, It would ......

As a non owner of a PS3 this maz be a dumb question but will GTHD never have force feed back or is it something like an update away?

As a non owner of a PS3 this maz be a dumb question but will GTHD never have force feed back or is it something like an update away?
It most certainly is only an update away, but whether that update would ever be released is the big question. The very first download version of GT:HD in the Japan region did have it so the code is there, but then they disabled it on the next update, and the rest of the regions never did have it. So make of that what you will, but I wish some of our gaming magazine "journalists" (and I use the term VERY lightly) would try to get some answers from Sony about it.

For those that don't know:

In September of 2004, Immersion Corporation was awarded damages of approximately 90 million dollars in a lawsuit against Sony, who Immersion said made illegal use of its technologies. Immersion, which manufactures force-feedback and so-called “haptic” (engaging the user via the sense of touch) devices for a wide range of applications, is headed by Victor Viegas, who took some time to speak with Gamasutra about the lawsuit, and about Sony’s announcement that the PS3 would not contain rumble technology.

In addition to the monetary damages awarded, Viegas said the other outcome of the 2004 verdict was an injunction that, if applied, would prohibit Sony from any production, manufacture, or sale of the related technologies in the United States. It is this injunction that Sony is currently attempting to appeal.

The company announced in a press release that the PS3 controller would lack vibration due to the possibility of it interfering with the controller’s new tilt sensors, which Viegas feels is unlikely.

“If what they’re saying is in fact the reason why [the controller will not have vibration], I’ve offered them numerous solutions to the problem,” Viegas said in an interview Tuesday. “I don’t believe it’s a very difficult problem to solve, and Immersion has experts that would be happy to solve that problem for them.”

“We have solutions we have perfected and demonstrated to Sony, contingent on their acceptance of our terms,” Viegas said. “All we can do now is wait and see.”

For those that don't know, rumble and steering wheel force feedback are two entirely different things. The discussion on this thread should be about force feedback in particular. What is unclear here, is whether traditional force feedback as implemented in Logitech's wheels falls under the 2004 ruling. I doubt it does.

For those that don't know, rumble and steering wheel force feedback are two entirely different things. The discussion on this thread should be about force feedback in particular. What is unclear here, is whether traditional force feedback as implemented in Logitech's wheels falls under the 2004 ruling. I doubt it does.

can't read?

In September of 2004, Immersion Corporation was awarded damages of approximately 90 million dollars in a lawsuit against Sony, who Immersion said made illegal use of its technologies. Immersion, which manufactures force-feedback

In addition to the monetary damages awarded, Viegas said the other outcome of the 2004 verdict was an injunction that, if applied, would prohibit Sony from any production, manufacture, or sale of the related technologies in the United States.

When you are talking about the law force feedback AND rumble are the same.

SEC:
All PS3 games are programmed for the SIXAXIS which doesn't have force feedback, therefore the force feedback in the wheels won't be recognized.

Oh and I believe that third parties can still use it if they go thru immersion. Which would explain why NFS:Carbon works but GT doesn't, and won't unless that injunction is lifted.

I have the original Driving Force (USB) made for PS2, it works great.

I don't know what these xbots are blathering about, force feedback works JUST FINE in NFS: Carbon and some other games. FF and rumble are definitely not the same thing. Rumble is just a spinning gizmo that creates vibration. FF is totally different.

when the ps2 controller adapter drops in february, i hope wheels are supported as i have a madcatz universal wheel i'd love to use with motorstorm. just hope sony doesn't drop the ball on this one; doesn't seem like they would, but you never know.

pete

I have the original Driving Force (USB) made for PS2, it works great.

I don't know what these xbots are blathering about, force feedback works JUST FINE in NFS: Carbon and some other games. FF and rumble are definitely not the same thing. Rumble is just a spinning gizmo that creates vibration. FF is totally different.
buddy it never hurts to read the whole thread before typing.

Assuming that Rumble and FF are similar patented technology then the end of the story is that if Sony gets its act together and licenses the patented technology then maybe games like GTHD will have the Fource Feed back function activated.

From what people have written here it seems almost stupid to play GTHD without FF so lets hope Sony does something about this.

SEC:
All PS3 games are programmed for the SIXAXIS which doesn't have force feedback, therefore the force feedback in the wheels won't be recognized
Have a source for this quote? Or is it paraphrased?

SEC could have said the same thing about FF in the PS2 also. "Well, the standard controller has no force feedback therefore our steering wheels won't support it." WTF do the controllers have to do with anything? In this case it would be Sony that is confusing the two technologies.

Ok I have tried two wheels so far with no luck. The first wheel was Madcatz universal and I found there was no way to plug it in, maybe needed a PS2 to USB adapter so took it back. Than tried a Logitech Nascar that worked half way but did not have pedal support.

Today a freind will bring over his Logitech Momo for me to try.

shhhh listen ........





Thats the sound of people buying the 360s and Forza 2.


In all seriousness though Im SURE Sony will make it happen by the time GT5 releases. I mean...they absolutely HAVE TO. GT5 is a system seller.

The quote above came from
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3156211

The context of that quote doesn't make sense though. For starters it says "All PS3 games" when already we know that's not true due to NFS:Carbon. Also the quote is not attributed to anyone at SCE which also undermines its credibility. But according to the article, I agree that it does say that force feedback will not be supported. I don't see the author as being credible... But thanks for posting the link...

Time will tell but suffice to say, I'm very worried.

P.S. I believe that sound is me looking for the best price on a nVidia 8800. Seems consoles just never satisfy me. :(

Logitech is using different technology to bring force feedback to their wheels... thats why it works and it will work in games that support it.

I agree with you Felgar and I am also looking for a good deal on an 8800. My buddy got one and after seeing it in action my sli 7800gtx's are not cutting it anymore.

I will get flak for this but it seems to me after playing a few games on the PS3 that they look and feel like pc games from 2 years ago. The big deal game RFM has dated graphics and shimmer. Most PS3 games have shimmer even at 1080p.

I am used to playing games at 1080p on my pc and they run great with no shimmer or aliasing.

No worry though, I bought the PS3 for blueray, not games. I will use the pc for games and keep looking for that deal for the 8800 card.

I agree with you Felgar and I am also looking for a good deal on an 8800. My buddy got one and after seeing it in action my sli 7800gtx's are not cutting it anymore.

I will get flak for this but it seems to me after playing a few games on the PS3 that they look and feel like pc games from 2 years ago. The big deal game RFM has dated graphics and shimmer. Most PS3 games have shimmer even at 1080p.

I am used to playing games at 1080p on my pc and they run great with no shimmer or aliasing.

No worry though, I bought the PS3 for blueray, not games. I will use the pc for games and keep looking for that deal for the 8800 card.
you play games at 1920x1200 on your pc? are you serious? What games can you play at that resolution and what setup do you have?

I play at 1080p (1920x1080) on a 37" Westinghouse LCD. They run very good with the two 7800gtx cards but could run even better with one 8800 :)

I wish I had enough money so that I would comfortable in affording a PS3 and such an expensive gaming PC

Ok I have tried two wheels so far with no luck. The first wheel was Madcatz universal and I found there was no way to plug it in, maybe needed a PS2 to USB adapter so took it back. Than tried a Logitech Nascar that worked half way but did not have pedal support.

Today a freind will bring over his Logitech Momo for me to try.


The Nascar wheel worked for me, just had to remap the pedals to gas and brake and it works great.

In the demo games there is no way to remape the pedals.

actually go under the regular controller mapping and map analog left up stick to gas and analog down stick to brake. Worked for me.

Thanks, and where would this mapping section be located?