Just announced...LionsGate movies now available on the 360 as downloadable movies. HD-DVD Soon?

A safe bet I think! A very good news,

MS touted HD-DVD pretty damn well. Selling out as SOON as they ship them. They proudly talked about adding LionsGate (and ONLY LionsGate) to downloadable movies. They said available now...but I have not had a chance to login yet to see.

So that 10 million HD players LG can sell software too.

IMO this means nothing in regards to their loyalty to Blu-Ray yet I could be wrong.

I don't really see this as a sign that they will be supporting HD DVD either. This just has to do with selling their movies digitally. I hope I'm wrong though!

I saw this during the MS keynote as well.

Considering that the other studios supporting MS' service are either neutral or HD DVD only (they are, aren't they?), I'd say this bodes well for Lions Gate neutrality.

http://gamerscoreblog.com/team/archive/2007/01/07/539839.aspx

On stage at CES, Microsoft also announced today a new partner for Xbox Live Video Marketplace. Lionsgate (NYSE:LGF) will be bringing a lineup of high-definition films to the service in the coming year. Films such as “An American Haunting,” “Blair Witch Project,” “Crank,” “The Descent,” “Employee of the Month,” “Hard Candy,” “Ninth Gate,” “The Punisher,” “Requiem for a Dream,” “Saw III,” “See No Evil” and “Stir of Echoes” will be available for download on Xbox Live Video Marketplace in high definition in 2007.

Hard Candy..No Blu-Ray version of that, eh? I would love one!

Well I have a Feeling all the big announcements will be heard tomorrow.

Ninth Gate???? i LOVE that movie!!!

Ninth Gate???? i LOVE that movie!!!
Same here. If and when Lions Gate go format neutral and release it on HD DVD, I'll pick it up in a shot.

Ninth Gate???? i LOVE that movie!!!

That would be in my HD DVD collection without a doubt.

How does that have anything to do with HD-DVD. Its a downloadable movie and does not require any sort of HD-DVD equipment what so ever.

Considering MS is in bed with HD DVD and the other HD films on Xbox Live are from studios that also produced HD DVD releases of said films, it has several things to do with HD DVD. ;)

Yes I understand that MS supports HD-DVD, but what does downloadable service have to do with HD-DVD? HD-DVD is a format that needs HD equipment to run. Again this does not need the HD-DVD drive to run, you just download and play the movie. I understand the assumptions, but the fact is it has nothing to do with the format war.

Just announced...LionsGate movies now available on the 360 as downloadable movies. HD-DVD Soon?
Although it's possible, it's still wishful thinking.

Although it's possible, it's still wishful thinking.
I think this is definately a sign of upcoming nuetrality.

Yes I understand that MS supports HD-DVD, but what does downloadable service have to do with HD-DVD? HD-DVD is a format that needs HD equipment to run. Again this does not need the HD-DVD drive to run, you just download and play the movie. I understand the assumptions, but the fact is it has nothing to do with the format war.

For starters they have to use a Microsoft encoder which impies VC-1 because you need enough room. Second, the X-box is a clear rival to the success of BD as the main driving force behind Blu-Ray is the PS3. While sleeping with your enemy isn't proof your going to divorce your wife, it sure does mean you relationship with her is a little shaky.

Lions Gate have also signed up to ITunes as well as other download services so i see this more as incresing their commitment to the download market than anything else. Having said that, the neutrality they'e showing in that market really makes me wonder why they aren't showing the same in the hd formats.

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0608lionsgate.html

HD formats are a place where a single standard has beneficial effects throughout the chain of distribution and consumer awareness in general. In the digital realm, it's much easier to simply support whatever systems there are.

IMO, I see LionsGate's support of the Live! download service as a means via which they feel they can reach the movie-watching owners of the XBox 360 without having to go HD DVD/cater to the add-on drive.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/01-08-2007/0004501965&EDATE=
Lionsgate Announces Upcoming Slate of Blu-ray Titles
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no mention about HD DVD titles.......

Marek

HD formats are a place where a single standard has beneficial effects throughout the chain of distribution and consumer awareness in general. In the digital realm, it's much easier to simply support whatever systems there are.

IMO, I see LionsGate's support of the Live! download service as a means via which they feel they can reach the movie-watching owners of the XBox 360 without having to go HD DVD/cater to the add-on drive.

I don't see that at all. They are one of the most committed to downloads in general and i dont think thet add-on makes the slightest bit of difference in that equation. Anyone could argue that joining Itunes, XBox Live! or any of the services is simply skipping physical formats entirely, HD-DVD, BD or plain old DVD so you could throw the PS3 in there too.

If you dig deeper into that link to the actual conversation transcript, they talk about Q4 '06 and Q1 '07 and the installed player base as being the defining point regarding BD, so if they were to switch, i wouldn't expect it to be until at least Q2. Surely they'd like to see figures from the likes of Descent, Crank, Employee Of The Month and Saw III first.

I think it is kind of surprising. Almost every other HD download you can do is already on HD DVD. I think LG might be making the switch or going neurtral.

sigh, I can't believe I'm getting excited by these rumours, when all signs do point still to BD exclusivity...

ah, well...it's fun to hope - at least nobody's even trying anymore to suggest that Disney's going to jump ship... :)

That'd get my hopes up...

Seeing how long it takes me to download a demo I shudder to think how long it would take to download a 720P HD movie! I wish they would just release the movies in HD DVD instead, or have MS add an auto turn off after your download is finished.

All I can say is this...

Lionsgate, if you are reading, if you go HD-DVD, you will get PLENTY of my business! :D

And I bet I speak for others here too. ;)

I cringe on how much money I'd blow with Lionsgate on board...but it would be SOOOO worth it!

Honestly I would not get your hopes up for LionsGate. If they were going to release on HD-DVD this year, they would have announced it this morning. Check this out from hidefdigest.com:

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Lionsgate/Disc_Announcements/CES:_Lionsgate_Roars_with_2007_Blu-ray_Slate_Still_Says_No_to_HD_DVD/426

~Josh

Honestly I would not get your hopes up for LionsGate. If they were going to release on HD-DVD this year, they would have announced it this morning. That is the dumbest thing I think I have seen posted on here. Do you mean to tell me that there is a binding rule that requires studios to declare at CES any plans they may or may not have or implement in 2007?

If so, Sony is in big big trouble for all the changes they made to the PS3 after CES 2006.

That is the dumbest thing I think I have seen posted on here. Do you mean to tell me that there is a binding rule that requires studios to declare at CES any plans they may or may not have or implement in 2007?

If so, Sony is in big big trouble for all the changes they made to the PS3 after CES 2006. :D

Give it up guys. Not a single studio announced neutrality, and they all confirmed BD exclusivity and/or announcd BD titles. BD sales passed HD DVD sales, and despite fanboi objections, the PS3 does appear to be shifting the war towards the BD side. You bought too heavily into the pro HD DVD FUD on this forum, and it's starting to nip at your heels.

Give it up guys. Not a single studio announced neutrality, and they all confirmed BD exclusivity and/or announcd BD titles. Very true. BD sales passed HD DVD sales, Please post your source for this. As far as I know, the studios aren't sharing their sales data, and every one of these websites claiming to track sales have flawed and insignificant data.
and despite fanboi objections, the PS3 does appear to be shifting the war towards the BD side.Not at all bud. The PS3 has fallen far short of expectations to push Blu-Ray upon consumers. In fact, the PS3 is turning out to be a real bomb as a gaming console as well. Both Xbox and Wii sold 5x as many consoles this Xmas while PS3 sales are dropping off due to lack of content and it's high price.
You bought too heavily into the pro HD DVD FUD on this forum, and it's starting to nip at your heelsThe only one with FUD in this forum is you. I'm not over on the BD boards starting tish like you are here.

Give it up guys. Not a single studio announced neutrality, and they all confirmed BD exclusivity and/or announcd BD titles. BD sales passed HD DVD sales, and despite fanboi objections, the PS3 does appear to be shifting the war towards the BD side. You bought too heavily into the pro HD DVD FUD on this forum, and it's starting to nip at your heels.

What are you talking about, and where did you get your misinformation? BD sales passed HD DVD sales? When? According to what numbers? (Hint: there are none)

For someone who likes to label people as "fanbois" you are doing a pretty good job at defining the word with your pointless, antagonistic, and completely inaccurate posts.

You post about this forum being full of FUD when your every keystroke proliferates exactly that.

I guess hating yourself really is the greatest love of all?

That goes for all of the Blu Ray trolls who feel the need to pollute this forum with their noise rather than just stay in the Blu Ray forum where they belong. I know it’s dead over there, and you all want the largest audience possible because your posts are so very profound and insightful, but show a little class once in a while.

Very true. Please post your source for this. As far as I know, the studios aren't sharing their sales data, and every one of these websites claiming to track sales have flawed and insignificant data.

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/January2007/08/c3814.html

I realize that Fox's "projections" should not be trusted until they materialze, but the statement "In fact, Blu-ray sales performance surpassed HD-DVD for the first time the week of December 24 and did so by an impressive 20 per cent." is either correct or libelous. And no one here question Toshb'a announced numbers back in September...but then that's what everyone here wanted to hear.


Not at all bud. The PS3 has fallen far short of expectations to push Blu-Ray upon consumers.

A dissapointment to whom? I don't know what YOUR expectations were, but turning the sales tide in a month and a half "blows my skirt up" just fine. :rolleyes:

In fact, the PS3 is turning out to be a real bomb as a gaming console as well. Both Xbox and Wii sold 5x as many consoles this Xmas while PS3 sales are dropping off due to lack of content and it's high price.

Not something I really care about, although to be fair how many 360's had sold this time LAST year? I agree that rom a console point of view the Wii is kick arse and taking names, but that's not really the discussion at hand, is it?

The only one with FUD in this forum is you. I'm not over on the BD boards starting tish like you are here.

Don't worry, plenty of HD DVD fanbois are, but I'm not spreading FUD, and I'm not a fanboi. I own an A1 (and owned it for 4 times as long as my BD player) I'm just sick and tired of how the far the HD DVD forums seem to deviate from reality. So far CES is disastrous, and lacking almost all of the promised announcements touted the last 6 months, yet here is a thread where the fact that LionsGate is releasing to a download service is taken as evidence that they will switch their optical media delivery, despite announcing otherwise.

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/January2007/08/c3814.html

I realize that Fox's "projections" should not be trusted until they materialze, but the statement "In fact, Blu-ray sales performance surpassed HD-DVD for the first time the week of December 24 and did so by an impressive 20 per cent." is either correct or libelous. And no one here question Toshb'a announced numbers back in September...but then that's what everyone here wanted to hear.Your proof is a Fox press release?
Firstly, Fox doesn't make or sell HD-DVD's so they have no sales data to compare the two formats. All they know is what they sold in Blu-Ray.
Second, Fox is biased and has a stake in BD. I wouldn't dare come to the Blu-Ray boards and post a press release from Universal declaring HD-DVD is outselling Blu-Ray. I'm not even going to address the rest of your responses. it is just adding to the pollution around here. Please go back to the Blu-Ray boards and post your rhetoric to the Sony myrmidons.

Edit: The Editor of HDTV magazine had to place a disclaimer on this Fox press release because after looking at "Fox's proprietary research" because he felt their chart was arbitrary.

http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/news/2007/01/fox_and_mgm_tit.php

Uh huh. And Toshiba does (for BD)? You realize that studios juuuuust might have sales data for the disks they sell, and they could (gasp!) share it with each other. Sony also announced this data, so someone somewhere thinks they have actual, lawsuit-proof data that suggests this is reasonable. Wouldn't the HD DVD group jump all over this if it isn't true?

My whole point is that two press releaes by major studios (sure, they're biased, but the are also bound by the law to a standard of reasonableness, especially when talking sales numbers), and I'm "spreading FUD", but it's reasonable to speculate that LionsGate will switch, even after their announcement otherwise, because they are releasing downloadable movies???

As for Sony: screw them. If BD wins this war (and it's looking a bit more likely atm) it'll be despite them, not because of them.

We just like the Irak Ministry of Information : American are not here, and they feld (American Tank ramming in the backgroup..). Press release from the biggest Sony Sucker in the universe (Fox) mean squad imho.

I guess the "haters" that are calling us fanboys (I refuse to use the "i" spelling!) must have missed out on the Microsoft press conference that showed Lionsgate as a partner for their online HD content. How far off is it to say that they could easily go to the HD-DVD side? Who knows what Microsoft has cooking in there. I'm keeping my hopes up for this and will hopefully see LGF in my HD-DVD drive this year. :p

Uh huh. And Toshiba does (for BD)? You realize that studios juuuuust might have sales data for the disks they sell, and they could (gasp!) share it with each other. Sony also announced this data, so someone somewhere thinks they have actual, lawsuit-proof data that suggests this is reasonable. Wouldn't the HD DVD group jump all over this if it isn't true?

My whole point is that two press releaes by major studios (sure, they're biased, but the are also bound by the law to a standard of reasonableness, especially when talking sales numbers), and I'm "spreading FUD", but it's reasonable to speculate that LionsGate will switch, even after their announcement otherwise, because they are releasing downloadable movies???

As for Sony: screw them. If BD wins this war (and it's looking a bit more likely atm) it'll be despite them, not because of them.

Actually this was at a conference and not to the general Public so they don't have to be 100% clear. The slide they showed is hilarious to it has the dates 2010 and 2011 not 2006 and 2007. Making them Projections and not Fact and therefore being even the stock holders can't question it for years. The number I like is 28 disc attach rate for HD-DVD units. At 175,000 units that is 4.9 Million disc sales at $20 a disc is a bout 100 Million in sales Split between 40% for Warner 40% Universal 15% Paramount and 5% for everyone else. 80 Million in media sales for Major companies is not something to sneeze at. Even if HD-DVD stood stagnant for the rest of its life I can't believe any major Studio would pass up 40 Mill (the projects if they release movies as often as Universal and warner not Paramount) a year just because they think another format the don't have interest in is better.