I am surprised that no one has mentioned in this forum the new Samsung DVD-HD1080P7 which was just announced at CES.
The model not only upconverts to 1080p via HDMI but also uses HQV video processing from Silicon Optix ( I imagine they use the Reon chip), and all of that for a list price of $110 !!!
I was hoping and wondering what enterprising company would be the first to offer that very-well regarded chip in a 1080p-upscaled DVD player for around $300 to $350, but $110 is certainly beyond anyone's guess....Hooray to Samsung for beating all pricing estimates and releasing what looks like the unbeatable DVD player bargain of the year.

Sounds interesting! Black or silver?

john a

JohnA1 >>>> I am not aware of the color of the model, but I personally wouldn't care if it was in shades of pink and aqua, as long as it upconverts to 1080p and comes with a top-of-the-line video processing chip such as the Reon as well as that unbelivable list price of $110, which is the proverbial "icing-on-the-cake"... Just sign me in, Samsung !
I need to buy an inexpensive 1080p upconverting DVD player that would do an acceptable job and this model really shocked me when i learned about its specs and pricing.
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It has piano black color with sleek design.

The exact model name is DVD-1080p7.

Retail price will be $100 not $110.

It has piano black color with sleek design.

The exact model name is DVD-1080p7.

Retail price will be $100 not $110.


When will it go on sale? I have my finger on the trigger for the Oppo 981. Sounds like I should wait? How can such a "great" new player only list for $100? Plus, people seem less than pleased by Samsung's current crop.

"Samsung also released a 1080p-upscaling player, the DVD-HD1080P7. Its HDMI output can also upscale to 720p and 1080i, and it uses Silicon Optix's HQV video processing. The DVD-HD1080P7 has a 10-in-2 memory card reader, as well as DivX playback, though we don't know if it can play DivX files off the card reader. The DVD-HD1080P7 is scheduled to come out in May with a list price of $110. Samsung also will be offering a step-down non-1080p model, the DVD-HD870, which can upscale to 720p and 1080i and should come out in February with a list price of $90."


Can others get any more info on this player and the potential robustness of its video processing? Am directly comparing this and the other new crop of players (Toshiba, Panasonic, etc) to the Oppo 981 which I am minutes away from ordering. Happy to wait a couple months if something equivalent, or ideally better, comes along at lower prices. At $229, the Oppo is do-able but it is by no means cheap.

Link to Samsung CES 2007 News Release regarding the DVD-1080P7 with reference to "patented HQV technology" in both models below. MSRPs are towards the bottom of the article and pics are to the right (although if you look closely, both pics are the same and say "DVD-HD970" on them).

DVD-1080P7 and DVD-HD870 CES News Release (http://www.samsung.com/common/microsite/exhibition/ices2007/presskit/ices2007_ce09.html)

Sounds interesting! Black or silver?

john a


Yes, it is black, all black with silver on bottom. I would not wait for the P7 personally....the HD 960, for what its is will prolly have better PQ, but I'm not sure obviously. The 960 does do an excelllent job, when price is a factor.

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-KRT4xG7vpxB/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=54400&I=305DVDH960

I linked crutchfield for photos.

When will it go on sale? I have my finger on the trigger for the Oppo 981. Sounds like I should wait? How can such a "great" new player only list for $100? Plus, people seem less than pleased by Samsung's current crop.


I can assure you that the Samsung HD-960 MSRP of about $180, is solid for the price, and is probably just as good as the new oppo, with less connectivity features. The Samsung HD960 is all very user friendly and plays lots formats, plus a simple featureful gui.

Wow! thats a great price are you sure about the chipset, I may have to replace my hd860 ( a good player) this spring.
Any other quality dvd players announced at CES/

Wow! thats a great price are you sure about the chipset, I may have to replace my hd860 ( a good player) this spring.
Any other quality dvd players announced at CES/ Unfortunately, for now, we can only believe what is in the release. I'd be willing to pick up an 870 (if it really comes out in February) and pop the top to take a look! I really think that's the only way we'll find out - unless the release units actual say "HQV" on them...

$110?? Wow. Although Samsung always does something (unintentionally) to make their players also-rans. Maybe this player will buck the trend. :)

larry

I am thinking their blueray player bdp 1200 for $799 has the reon chipset like the $999 toshiba XA2.
This has to be a lowerend Silicon optix hqv chip for this price, since reon is not listed, it may dtill be great though.

and just when i was about to pull the trigger on the 960.....this is announced. But I am sure when this comes out there will be more to take its place in the coming months as well.

If this does have the reon chip, it is a must buy for me, as I have an XBOX360 hddvd addon already and was seriously considering the XA2/oppo/Samsung960 for dvd playback this spring. this would save me much??? to be used on more movies/Games
I wonder if these have component out and what are the DAC specs.

I just checked Silicon Optix's website and the Reon-VX is currently listed as their low-cost chipset with the "Hollywood HQV" moniker and it is described as being offered for high-volume applications, including DVD players, so i imagine that it must be the one being used in the Samsung DVD-HD1080P7....
Insofar as any other manufacturers announcing at CES inexpensive DVD players that upconvert to 1080p, there were many, many other models from Panasonic, JVC, Toshiba, etc, etc, etc, but this particular model from Samsung is the only one with such a chip, as far as I am aware of.
As for the above poster who so assuredly mentioned that the list price for the unit will be $100 and not $110, I wonder where did he get such precise info, although a difference of $10 is hardly worth getting argumentative about....
As for the DAC being used and other questions, I would imagine that it employs similar parts as its current crop of DVD players to save money and re-designing time, minus whatever chipsets Samsung uses for deinterlacing/scaling, plus the addition of the Reon-VX video processing chip.
Like i said before : if this DVD player turns out to be as announced, with 1080p upconversion via HDMI as well as offering the Reon chip for a list price of $110, it will be the bargain/specs champion of the year and kudos to Samsung for making available such a unit at such pricing point; Hopefully the unit will be out soon within a couple of months, rather than later, in the second quarter of the year.

Guys, no offense but as I read around these boards there is a lot of bashing on the Samsung 960, especially vs the Oppo 981.

The question is whether this new chip for the Samsung 1080p7 will be a paradigm shift or whether it will still result in a so-so player vs the Oppo (at least according to the AVSers that post here), if so I shall buy the Oppo now.

The issue is that we are speculating which HQV chip is used in this new player. Anyone at CES who can find out?

The HD870 looks promising. 1080p upconvert with a memory card reader for $90. I am in. Now what to do with my Oppo 970?

The Samsung HD960 let me down tremedously. I'd have a lot of reservations about buying another Sammy DVD player for awhile until I hear feedback about it. The HD960 performed poorly on layer changes, audio synching and macroblocking for me.

Was enough for me to return it and order an Oppo yesterday.

The Samsung HD960 let me down tremedously. I'd have a lot of reservations about buying another Sammy DVD player for awhile until I hear feedback about it. The HD960 performed poorly on layer changes, audio synching and macroblocking for me.

Was enough for me to return it and order an Oppo yesterday.

you'll probably have the same issues... I'm curious though, lemme know...did you order the 980?

More detail information about this model

Model name : DVD-1080p7
PRice : $100
Available : May

There' no HQV on this, but using Zoran new chip.

More detail information about this model

Model name : DVD-1080p7
PRice : $100
Available : May

There' no HQV on this, but using Zoran new chip.


Huh? Thats not what the various press releases are saying. Where are you getting this info?

....Yes, KJ_kwon, please enlighten us !......

From reliable person of Samsung.

More detail information about this model

Model name : DVD-1080p7
PRice : $100
Available : May

There' no HQV on this, but using Zoran new chip.

As long as it doesn't have DCDi by Faroudja macroblocking I'll at least try it for 1080p. Until then, I will continue to enjoy my 1080i Oppo.

I and many others have been waiting aloooooooooooooooooooooooooong time for the Samsung DVD-1080 (now p7 at the end). There was a news release about it about a year earlier from now.

I had the Samsung 960 for a few days but couldn't take the macroblocking and ended up having to get an Oppo.

I ordered the 970, not the 980. Macroblocking ftl.

The Samsung CES link above shows:

"DVD Upconverters
Samsung's new DVD-1080P7 and DVD-HD870 DVD upconverters with patented HQV technology are ideal for consumers who want to savor their DVD collections on new HD displays, added Sullivan."

This and several other write ups I've seen online make it unclear if they will have HQV or not.

NOTE: the pictures on the link above hyperlink to zip files with hi-res pictures but unfortunately they BOTH link to the same DVD-HD970 picture.

Now this does nothing as far as taking the cable signal and upconverting right? Only the DVD?

Its not a video scaler - its just a DVD player and you can't run other stuff through it.

Interesting comment that this 1080p7 has been talked about for over a year. Still deciding whether to wait or to just buy the Oppo 981. I guess by definition I am waiting as I handicap the chances that the new Samsung will be better.

Silicon Optix has often issued press releases for products that incorporate their chips. I notice there isn't a press release for these players. For that matter, there's nothing about CES 2007 and other new products that use their chips. I don't know what to infer from that.

True, but SO didn't issue a press release about the Toshiba XA2 until the the ship date of the player. I thought the same as you about lack of press release for the XA2.

larry

I am thinking of buying the next generation of Sony SXRD television in a few months when it comes out. It runs at 120 hz eliminating the need for 3:2 pull down. Does this DVD player use 3:2 pull down? I really would like to be able to utilize this feature on the tv because the judder of 3:2 pull down really bothers me.

So where can I find this player?

So where can I find this player?Nowhere yet, unless you've got a time machine. It's still mid-March and release is late May.

If the Samsung DVD-HD1080P7 has HQV processing, as reported, then that is an excellent step in the right direction for Samsung. I only hope they will use their experience with HQV implementations to apply it to their LCDs, plasmas, and RPTVs as well.

I can't believe the Reon will be sold in a $100 player.

I can't believe the Reon will be sold in a $100 player.It's a $15 chip in 10,000 unit quantities, and if Samsung is using that part in a DVD player, Blu-ray player, and other high volume products, they may get a further discount.

The chips in most DVD players cost $5 to $12, the ReonVX isn't a significantly more expensive. Silicon Optix always priced the part competitively, its just been the implementation cost that was high. Manufacturers did their R&D for other chip architectures years ago, so implementation cost on those players was practically nil. New R&D is required to implement HQV, and that can be hard to justify if you're only using it in a single, low-volume product.

If Samsung has the implementation figured out for HQV, that's a competitive advantage they can leverage for much of their product lineup. We've all seen how well Denon did by being the first to market with its HQV implementation.

Well, if this is true, let's hope Samsung implements it correctly and finally addresses some player basics they usually fail (such as YC delay, etc.).

What is YC delay?

What is YC delay?

In practice, it means colors ouside the lines.

What struck me when using my in-laws' 860 was not this kind of subtle picture flaw, but the very irritating tendency to briefly freeze regularly during playback, and long layer changes. This seems to be a common'y reported problem. I don't know if this is a loader problem or processor overload, but given all the competition I would keep away from Samsung players running Zoran decoders just to be on the safe side. - DR

The Samsung HD960 let me down tremedously. I'd have a lot of reservations about buying another Sammy DVD player for awhile until I hear feedback about it. The HD960 performed poorly on layer changes, audio synching and macroblocking for me.

Was enough for me to return it and order an Oppo yesterday.


The macroblocking problem is isolated to the Faroudja DCDi chip. The Silicon Optix HQV does not have the macroblocking problem. All DVD players using Faroudja chip including 'Denon and Oppo 971/981 will have this problem on some tv's especially DLP and Panasonic Plasma

fish1050

Are any stores taking preorders on the new Sammi? May is just around the corner.

Nowhere yet, unless you've got a time machine. It's still mid-March and release is late May.

If the Samsung DVD-HD1080P7 has HQV processing, as reported, then that is an excellent step in the right direction for Samsung. I only hope they will use their experience with HQV implementations to apply it to their LCDs, plasmas, and RPTVs as well.

Here's Sammy's press release.
http://www.samsung.com/common/microsite/exhibition/ices2007/presskit/ices2007_ce09.html

Silicon Optix makes no mention on their site.

Available for pre-order at eCost

http://www.ecost.com/ecost/shop/detail.asp?dpno=5073757&store=ecost&source=ewb08857&adcampaign=email,ewb08857

Nice. I think I'll pick this one up when it finally hits the streets.

Will this play PAL and be region free capable ?

Will this play PAL and be region free capable ?

Have not seen that yet.

player is released in europe, any reports

Does anyone know when it is going to come out stateside? It sounds like an awesome deck.

Player is out in UK, so any reports?

according to the press release both of them use HQV processor. The 870 is a better buy, for about 70bux. Really there isn't any difference from 1080i to 1080p, especially in SD programming.

according to the press release both of them use HQV processor. The 870 is a better buy, for about 70bux. Really there isn't any difference from 1080i to 1080p, especially in SD programming.

did some one open/check reon in 870HD

call dell, they even list it as having HQV technology.

did some one open/check reon in 870HD

where it is listed 70 shipped

I can't even tell from that press release, what are the differences between the 870HD and DVD-1080P7?

For those who would like to learn more about the ReonVX, see this product brief (http://www.siliconoptix.com/contentEngine/dspDocumentDownload.cfm?PCVID=2d4893ca-f663-2e08-c62e-314dbfaf0518). There are five different versions. The VX-50 is appropriate for source devices like DVD / HD-DVD / Blu-ray players, the VX-200 is suitable for LCDs / plasmas, while the rest are intended for RPTVs and projectors.

The Denon 2930ci and Toshiba HD-XA2 both use the VX-50, and the Samsungs probably do as well, since it is the cheapest part with 1080p output.

you can find it at pricegrabber.com.

Apparantly the only difference between the two are 1080p output for 20bux more. I really can't tell any difference on my hd960 between 1080p/i. But macroblocking is bothering me on certain dvds, looks almost like a lowbit streaming video so thinking of going with the 870.

you can find it at pricegrabber.com.

Apparantly the only difference between the two are 1080p output for 20bux more. I really can't tell any difference on my hd960 between 1080p/i. But macroblocking is bothering me on certain dvds, looks almost like a lowbit streaming video so thinking of going with the 870.If your [1080p] display accepts 1080p, you should always use that, because it will eliminate the need for your display to deinterlace 1080i. Most displays do not correctly deinterlace film-sourced 1080i signals, and that introduces some amount of resolution loss and artifacting.

You won't bypass your display's built-in deinterlacing if you use 1080i output. That may not have mattered much with the 860, since the 1080i and 1080p output weren't that great to begin with. However, the 1080i and 1080p output with HQV are a significant improvement, and you don't want to degrade that with the deinterlacing circuitry in your display.

So the HD870 has this Reon VX-50?

I assume its the same one being used in the samsung bluray player which is the Reon-VX HQV chip.

I just found this on Dell's site.

cant decide, I would like the Oppo for its support, the kind of support a "normal" manufacturer would never provide. But 220 is way too much, plus from what I understand the Faroudja chip is no good for Panasonic Plasmas.

I currently own a LG 478 and before that I owned the Samsung DVI upconverter DVD player.

Another thing, slightly OT but on topic as far as samsung, when hitting the upconvert button on my old DVI samsung I got 768P (1024x 768) as an option. Its saddens me since I wont be able to view DVD's with 1:1 pixel mapping with my 42" 9UK Panasonic.

Anyways, I am ordering the Samsung 1080P7. Just got my 42" Panny a couple days ago so I got the bug :)
I will continue to use my LG 478 with my now "old" 30" panny HD-CRT

call dell, they even list it as having HQV technology.


Yeah, dell list it as HQV tech inside:

Dell's ad (http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=A1115777)

Dell says they ship in 24 hours but Samsung doesn't even list them on their website ???

Yeah, dell list it as HQV tech inside:

Dell's ad (http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=A1115777)

weak I just ordered the 1080P7 for 83$ (corporate discount) and it said 'ships 1-2 weeks'

weak I just ordered the 1080P7 for 83$ (corporate discount) and it said 'ships 1-2 weeks'


what is corporate discount? going through small business?

what is corporate discount? going through small business?

No actually the "civilian side" of Dell is all the same from what i understand. choosing between home and small business doesn't really help you.

What I am talking about it "Dell Premier", it is dell's corporate portal. You will see a link for it at the top of the page.
Quite often they are selling products just above wholesale.
Its awesome because they carry ALOT more products than the regular site.

I dont know what the requirements are but I know not anyone with a TaxID# can get it.


Also people, I dont know why but the 1080P7 is not showing up on the civilian/retail side of dell, I definitely found it earlier and I know because it cost 10 more bucks.
Maybe Dell doesn't show things that wont ship immediately on their retail site?

anyways here are the #'s from the premier site:
Manufacturer Part# DVD-1080P7
Dell Part# A1115774
UNSPSC 5216151600
92$ (83 via premier)

I will update once i receive it.

No actually the "civilian side" of Dell is all the same from what i understand. choosing between home and small business doesn't really help you.

What I am talking about it "Dell Premier", it is dell's corporate portal. You will see a link for it at the top of the page.
Quite often they are selling products just above wholesale.
Its awesome because they carry ALOT more products than the regular site.

I dont know what the requirements are but I know not anyone with a TaxID# can get it.


Also people, I dont know why but the 1080P7 is not showing up on the civilian/retail side of dell, I definitely found it earlier and I know because it cost 10 more bucks.
Maybe Dell doesn't show things that wont ship immediately on their retail site?

anyways here are the #'s from the premier site:
Manufacturer Part# DVD-1080P7
Dell Part# A1115774
UNSPSC 5216151600
92$ (83 via premier)

I will update once i receive it.

darn, how do you log in to premier account :confused:

This looks like it will one great dvd player.Buying one as soon as they hit the stores.Should be at stores in two weeks and released in mid May.You can buy one before the release date if it is in stock.I looked at the new Toshiba 5000 three weeks before its release date and could have bought one at Best Buy.

I do not see one any where? amazon?

engadget claims hdmi ver 1.3 for both?

i have the HD870 which i bought for $99 CAD at BestBuy.
this player will only upconvert via hdmi right?
cause i tried component and it looks less jagged than hdmi but the hdmi cable i have came from a cheapo RCA upconverting dvd player i had before this. tested with 720p and 1080i.
using it on a Panny 26LX60C btw.
any suggestions?

Also people, I dont know why but the 1080P7 is not showing up on the civilian/retail side of dell, I definitely found it earlier and I know because it cost 10 more bucks.


Good someone else saw it too .. I was beginning to think I was crazy.

i have the HD870

Can you confirm HQV and chipset ?

Can you confirm HQV and chipset ?

not unless i pop it open. or is there any other way?

Open it up. It's a few screws. Pleeeeeeeeze :D

i will tomorrow in the AM.
working at the moment......to lazy to walk into the bedroom.

i will tomorrow in the AM.
working at the moment......to lazy to walk into the bedroom.Be sure to have your digital camera handy. Though if the processor is covered with a heatsink, you may not see much.

If you can confirm HQV, can you tell us the quality of the player?

build quality is excellent but picture quality doesn't seem to be.
for example 480p looks better with component than with HDMI.
and there is very very minor improvements with 720p or 1080i.
i will have to try with a different HDMI cable to see if it makes a difference.
also most of the DVDs i have are burnt. i have tried a couple of original ones as well but i really can't seem to notice much difference when it upscales.

remote to screen response time is super slow as well.

Does anyone know anything about the DVD-1080P8, and, besides 1080p, what are the key differences between the HD870, 1080P7, and 1080P8. The latter two seem only to differ in appearance and dimensions. They don't seem to support advanced Reon features such as noise reduction. I've sent an e-mail to Samsung asking which players have the Reon, and what are the distinguishing features of each model. I'll let you know what - if anything - they say.

If you can confirm HQV, can you tell us the quality of the player?

Sammy says:

"DVD Upconverters
¡°Samsung¡¯s new DVD-1080P7 and DVD-HD870 DVD upconverters with patented HQV technology are ideal for consumers who want to savor their DVD collections on new HD displays,¡± added Sullivan.

Samsung¡¯s new DVD-1080P7 and DVD-HD870 players rejuvenate DVD libraries by up-converting a DVD¡¯s native resolution (480p) to output close to high-definition formats (720p/1080i/1080p). Because the upconversion process occurs in the digital domain, no data is lost (compared with analog conversion) and the resulting image is pristine."

here you go ladies.....the guts of the HD870:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v701/elishajesudason/P1030971.jpg

sorry i had to apply major compression so that photobucket would allow for the full size but it had to be under 1mb.

So, this one's got Zoran deinterlacing...

Perhaps HQV in their press release means Highly Questionable Validity technology? :)

is zoran supposed to be good..i was gonna try the panasonic dvd-s53 or sony dvp-ns75h..or should i wait for this??

zoran is the same one in the old 860.

I would have thought that the HQV logo would have been on the front of the HD870 and I didn't see it. The ZR37621 is the Zoran HDExtreme deinterlacer/scaler.

larry

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=biz&cs=05S5&sku=A1115774

you can buy the 1080p7 now at dell.

Samsung's blowing smoke again. No HQV noted on 870 :(

Curious if the 1080p7 has HQV or not. Someone please confirm.

Thanks for the photos. Zoran is mediocre, flag-based solution. OK but nothing special. Most Samsung DVD players have Zoran although a few had DCDi like HD-941 and HD-931. Of course, these players have DCDi logo outside the player and box.

here you go ladies.....the guts of the HD870:
.

You are the man ! Thanks.

At that price I was afraid we would find out that it wasn't the Reon. That's why I never base things on a press release (which was probably written by the marketing dept). I fear that we will find that the 1080P model is not Reon based either.

probably not, i read the manual for 1080p7 on samsung site, no mention of Silicon optix hqv.

If it was, they'd surely mention it, right? So...

If they sell 1080p7 locally we can buy it check it for HQV and return if it does not have it. This is false advertising IMHO as Dell site clearly states HQV for HD-870 and 1080p7. Surely 1080p7 will have HQV. May be we can call Silicon Optix to confirm?

Shoot, I just bought the 870 also. Performance is mediocre compared to the Panasonic S53K I bought @ the same time. I guess you get what you pay for @ $75.

& the GUI is veryyyyyy slow as ELISHA noted above.

If it sounds tooo good to be true (ala the press release) it usually is...

i have the HD870 which i bought for $99 CAD at BestBuy.
this player will only upconvert via hdmi right?
cause i tried component and it looks less jagged than hdmi but the hdmi cable i have came from a cheapo RCA upconverting dvd player i had before this. tested with 720p and 1080i.
using it on a Panny 26LX60C btw.
any suggestions?


Elisha, thanks for the picture of the Zoran chipet. I suggest trying the Panasonic S53K to go with your TV.
There are several ops in the S53 thread in the last couple days here.

Overall performance is much better than the Samsung.
Is it $20 better? yes IMO.

oh & the UI, is wayyyyy faster :)

You are the man ! Thanks.

At that price I was afraid we would find out that it wasn't the Reon. That's why I never base things on a press release (which was probably written by the marketing dept). I fear that we will find that the 1080P model is not Reon based either.

That would most definately dampen spirits a bit.
BTW, is Elisha the/a 'man'?

here you go ladies.....the guts of the HD870:

sorry i had to apply major compression so that photobucket would allow for the full size but it had to be under 1mb.Is there no other chip in the box? Perhaps one covered with a heatsink?

The Silicon Optix ReonVX is a video processor, not a MPEG-2 decoder. So the DVD player will still need to have a MPEG-2 decoder, be it from Zoran or someone else, but it will just be sending 480i to the ReonVX, not doing anything else.

Zoran use the Vladdis chip for decoding various formats and it can be teamed up with the HDXtreme. Maybe the Samsung folks mistranslated HDX to HQV... :) Or they got mixed up with the new BD player - doesn't the new 1200 have Reon?

larry

Or they got mixed up with the new BD player - doesn't the new 1200 have Reon?Yes, Samsung's new BD-P1200 Blu-ray player uses the Broadcom BCM7440 decoder with the Silicon Optix ReonVX (VX-50).

Ok .. just checked out the Zoran site. They announced the HDXtreme2 at CES and that chip does 1080P. From Elisha's pics it looks like the 870 has the original HDXtreme. I'm betting we find out that the 1080P is basically the 870 but with the HDXtreme2 chip.

Does anyone know if these have macroblocking issues like the Faroudja ?

FYI .. The 870 is now listed on the Samsung website .. they do not mention HQV and I didn't see any details about the chipset on the site.

MB enhance is Faroudja only (deinterlacer/scaler combo chip, not the "old" deinterlacer only chips that were in the old Panny players).

It's looking like the Samsung marketing dept may have goofed. The Reon is in the BD-1200 and "HDX" chip is in new SD players. A $110 MSRP player is probably still to cheap too contain a Reon and make money. The BOM cost for a $110 player is probably $30 or so, just a guess.

larry

Yep. Something isn't adding up. Denon 2930 $650 and up, Tosh AX2 $600 and up, Sammy P1200 $622 and up. These DO have the Reon chip.

Well, we will wait some one to recieve 1080p7, open, check, confirm?

they both use the same chip according to the press release. That 20bux extra buys you 1080p and card reader.

Is there no other chip in the box? Perhaps one covered with a heatsink?


nothing covered by the heatsink unless it is under the drive carriage.

If neither unit has the HQV, as announced...why hasn't Samsung fixed their press release? It's been up on the site, without a change, for nearly three months.

I recieved mine 870 from amazon, I guess it needs to go back then

The dell ad says "Samsung’s EVQ (Enhanced Video Quality)" - I reckon someone has transposed this to HQV in the release.

no doubt!! my trust level on samsung company is zilch!

well, lets see what divx based option we have in 1080p category!!I'll look for pioneer new player coming up, at abt

http://www.**************.com/product/27630.html

I bet their claim of hdmi 1.3 is hoax too

Seems like intentional, shady marketing ploy to name their "new" chip HDX to mimic HQV to confuse consumers and resellers. I will boycot Samsung from now on (unless they redeem themself by truely having HQV in the 1080p7 but I doubt it).

Elisha, thanks for the picture of the Zoran chipet. I suggest trying the Panasonic S53K to go with your TV.
There are several ops in the S53 thread in the last couple days here.

Overall performance is much better than the Samsung.
Is it $20 better? yes IMO.

oh & the UI, is wayyyyy faster :)


The Panny seems to do 1080p but the video DAC is only 12 bit as opposed to the Sammy which is 14bit.
how much of a difference does that make?
higher bit=better PQ is it not?
or am i mistaken?

Video DACs are only used for analog video (digital to analog coversion = DAC). I'm sure the player doesn't upconvert via component output.

larry

Can a moderator update the thread title to include "(no HQV)" ?

I went to dell site and got one for 93.00 shipped.
Having read about it and all the questions surrounding this unit, I figure what the heck.
I will post me findings and I f I can submlit pictures of a opened one in about 1-2 weeks. That is when it says it will be shipped.

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=A1115774

Thank you. Anxiously awaiting your findings. Got to love pioneers :D

....So now, wait a moment : it appears that due to misinformation, poor translation or lack of knowledge, the press release from Samsung that's been out for months stating that both of these new dvd players make use of "HQV" technology should have been corrected to "EVQ" (Enhanced Video Quality) ??? And who are the idiots at Samsung's Marketing dept. who never heard of proofreading a statement before releasing it to the public ?

....So now, wait a moment : it appears that due to misinformation, poor translation or lack of knowledge, the press release from Samsung that's been out for months stating that both of these new dvd players make use of "HQV" technology should have been corrected to "EVQ" (Enhanced Video Quality) ??? And who are the idiots at Samsung's Marketing dept. who never heard of proofreading a statement before releasing it to the public ?
Jeez, chill - the fate of civilization isn't exactly in the balance. :D

[QUOTE=samsurd2]Jeez, chill - the fate of civilization isn't exactly in the balance. :D[/QUOTE
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No, the fate of civilization isn't exactly in the balance, but like so many others who've been "chilling" and waiting patiently since January '07 for this product to be finally released on May '08 - a 1080P upscaling dvd player with a "Reon" chip built-in for around $100 - we have now to contend with this uncertainty concerning the item's true design and capabilities.
Perhaps if you were also in the same boat as the rest of us your sarcastic remark would be better comprehended.... :rolleyes:

ok guys after some TV calibration according to the Panny LCD thread, i now am starting to really like the HD870.

the dumbtrucks at The Source had messed with the picture settings and set most of the settings too high which made more jaggies when upscaling. i never thought of going less than 0 for any setting because i thought it would degrade the quality but apparently i was not as smart as i thought!

tweaking the TV settings now make the DVDs look absolutely great with the Sammy.
but then again i'm only using burnt DVDs and have yet to try a good retail DVD.

only downfall of this player is that the GUI is slow but PQ is great and i do not think i'm going to exchange it for the Panny S53.

now maybe i can make the PQ better if i get a professional calibration DVD but i don't want to go out and buy one unless someone knows where i can DL one!

DVD-HD1080P7 finally on the Samsung website: http://www.samsung.com/Products/DVDPlayer/HiDefConversion/DVD_HD1080XAA.asp

Spec sheet: http://www.samsung.com/Products/DVDPlayer/HiDefConversion/files/dvd-hd1080p7_final.pdf

Looks like no Silicon Optix on this one. Dammit

Looks like no Silicon Optix on this one. Dammit


It has Samsungs EVQ (Enhanced Video Quality). What is that?

no HDMI 1.3 either as per claim in press relases, just all hoax, shameless for samsung

now maybe i can make the PQ better if i get a professional calibration DVD but i don't want to go out and buy one unless someone knows where i can DL one!

congrats on the efforts!
You can try netflicks or blockbusters online.
If you don't have a membership & just want to try it out, then there are free trial codes on slickdeals.net. Just do a search of their forums.

Good luck. I have the same 870 & it came out of the box pretty ok. For the money, it's a decent box.

Didn't the press release during CES specifically mention Silicon Optix?

The 1080p7 is on the CC website at $99.00 . May be in stock. Will check my local stores.And BB also.

Changed. Best thing to do is PM me because I can't always read all posts in all threads.

larry

Didn't the press release during CES specifically mention Silicon Optix?
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Yes indeed, not only the press release stated so but also some rather well-informed (or more aptly described, mis-informed) vice-president of marketing from Samsung discussed the inclusion of the HQV/Silicon Optix in these new dvd players...Is this just plain idiocy from their part or is it blatant obfuscation from Samsung, who is now describing both models as offering "EVQ" ?

Noob question:
I have read in other threads that hdtv displays upscale video almost always better than any upstream component does, and that cascading/multiple upscaling can cause video problems. I must be missing something, otherwise there would be no point to upconverting dvd players, as hdtv's wouldn't need them, and sd tv's wouldn't be able to display the upscaled resolution.
Would a 1080p7 upscale better than my hls6187w, and noticeably improve the picture over my old dvd player (480p) ? The old player never looked so good already!

Noob question:
I have read in other threads that hdtv displays upscale video almost always better than any upstream component does, and that cascading/multiple upscaling can cause video problems. I must be missing something, otherwise there would be no point to upconverting dvd players, as hdtv's wouldn't need them, and sd tv's wouldn't be able to display the upscaled resolution.
Would a 1080p7 upscale better than my hls6187w, and noticeably improve the picture over my old dvd player (480p) ? The old player never looked so good already!The 1080p7 does not use the high-quality scaling chip that was announced back in January, so the answer is probably no. Samsung -- despite its January annoucement -- evidently chose to go with a lower-quality chip to cut costs.

What is the build date on your Samsung HL-S6187W?

The 1080p7 does not use the high-quality scaling chip that was announced back in January, so the answer is probably no. Samsung -- despite its January annoucement -- evidently chose to go with a lower-quality chip to cut costs.

What is the build date on your Samsung HL-S6187W?

October 2006, so I guess I can't turn off the overscan. I haven't been brave enough to enter the service menu yet.

So what exactly is the point of upconverting dvd players, then?

Ok just bought the 1080p7 at cc for $94.99.They only had one in stock. Have it hooked up and it works great. Hooked up to a 37 inch LCD.The release date at BB is May 5th. Any questions i will try to answer.

Ok just bought the 1080p7 at cc for $94.99.They only had one in stock. Have it hooked up and it works great. Hooked up to a 37 inch LCD.The release date at BB is May 5th. Any questions i will try to answer.

can you check, if by mistake they did pit HQV chip in there??? :D

Allready hooked and hard to get to.Great picture and sound. Lots of adjustments contrast,bright,color satration. Nice remote with lots of butttons.Running HDMI at 1080i

Can't you just open up 6 screws and peek inside? Please :D ?

Can't you just open up 6 screws and peek inside? Please :D ?Others have already confirmed. There is no HQV chip in either player.

The only Samsung player with HQV is the BD-P1200 Blu-ray player.

What about the 1080P8?

http://www.samsung.com/nl/products/dvd/dvdplayers/players/index.asp

I will take a peek inside when I change some componets around today. I will let everyone know what chips I see in the 1080p7

:D The 1080p7 has a Zoran chipset in it. Just looked

Might pick this up today from the local CC. Any cables come in the box?

:D The 1080p7 has a Zoran chipset in it. Just looked

thnx, how is upscale, pal to ntsc

The only cables in the box are the A/V cables no hdmi cable. Works good watched three movies no hang ups.

:D The 1080p7 has a Zoran chipset in it. Just looked

Did you take any photos? :D

The Zoran chip can be used for MPEG decoding duties in conjunction with separate deinterlacer/scaler - although, a long shot.

So i picked it up and hooked up via component and no picture. Tried two tvs and regular composite worked fine. Any ideas?

Hook the player up on a composite feed and open the setup menu. If there is an option to select component, S-Video, composite select component. Close the menu and turn of the player. Connect the component video and the audio cable. I have seen this happen on several players where the factory default is set to composite.

Tom

Hook the player up on a composite feed and open the setup menu. If there is an option to select component, S-Video, composite select component. Close the menu and turn of the player. Connect the component video and the audio cable. I have seen this happen on several players where the factory default is set to composite.

Tom


Thanks that worked!

I picked one up from CC. Works good. Not sure how it compares to other 1080p up convert dvd players. I upgraded from an old 480i dvd player. Using HDMI and forced the mode to 1080p. Picture looks better now than how it looked when my TV was upconverting the 480i signal from my dvd player.

According to the manual the dvd player is supposed to support firmware updates. Only had one problem so far. Was watching The Day after Tomorrow. It played good, but if i already started the movie and tried to go to the menu, the whole dvd player would lock up. Cant open the dvd tray. Can't power off. Nothing. Had to power cycle the dvd player to regain control over it. I was able to replicate the problem over and over... So far this is the only movie i have encountered this problem. :(

Picked one of these up at CC. Works great, I can see an improvement in the pq, although small, but an improvement nonetheless when watching in 1080p.
Have it hooked up to a Sammy LN-T4661 with hdmi and coax audio out to my Onkyo receiver. I have the dvd audio settings set to bitstream, with pcm being the other option. Under these settings I will get sound thru my receiver.

I do have a small problem, when watching a dvd,, sometimes I like the audio to come thru the tv's speakers (when watching late at night and the kiddies are asleep). In order to do this I have to set audio to pcm, otherwise I have no audio thru my tv. And with the pcm setting I only get Dolby pro logic but no DD or DTS, if I turn the receiver on ,has to be at bitstream for that.

With my previous Sony dvd player and also my Directv box, it dont matter, I got audio thru both with no problem at whatever audio was set to and DD and DTS worked fine. If I didnt want audio thru my receiver I just turned the receiver off and still get audio thru my tv.

DVD set to PCM = tv audio and dolby pro logic from my receiver (no dd or dts)
DVD set to Bitstream = dd, dts audio from my receiver, no audio output from the tv

Does anyone know if its possible with this Sammy dvd player to get audio thru both ways without having to toggle the pcm/bitstream settings?

Does this unit play all formats of burnt backup DVDs(DVD+R,DVD-R etc)? Has anyone tested burnt backup DVDs on it?

Thanks

Does this unit play all formats of burnt backup DVDs(DVD+R,DVD-R etc)? Has anyone tested burnt backup DVDs on it?

Thanks


Just picked this unit at CC for 99.99. Looks great so far in 1080p. I will check the burnt DVDs in sec for you.

Mark

Just picked this unit at CC for 99.99. Looks great so far in 1080p. I will check the burnt DVDs in sec for you.

Mark

Thanks, I have mainly 16x DVD+Rs backups.

Just picked this unit at CC for 99.99. Looks great so far in 1080p. I will check the burnt DVDs in sec for you.

Mark


DVD+R works fine
DVD+R DL - Does not work - just says load.. :(

Will check more formats later..

I just tried 2 Movies I had ripped onto Fuji DVD+R and neither played, the player just said LOAD on the front panel and then went to NODISC. I swapped out the player with a Sony NS75 and no problems they both started right up and played.

Does anyone know of a hack yet for this player to make it region free?? I tried older hacks for Samsung units but did not work.

thanks

Mark

I just tried 2 Movies I had ripped onto Fuji DVD+R and neither played, the player just said LOAD on the front panel and then went to NODISC. I swapped out the player with a Sony NS75 and no problems they both started right up and played.


I also have a lot of movies on backup and have not had a problem with them playing yet. I just got done watching War of the Worlds that I backed up on a DVD+R DL and it played perfect. So far the only format that will not play is Ram, and I knew it wouldn't since it said so on the box...lol.
I have tried a lot of units here lately and this has the best picture so far !
I was wondering though........I almost bought a Denon DVD-557 but decided on the 1080P7 insted. Has anybody tried the PQ on both and if yes, which is better.
The sales person really tried to push the 557 on me. So far I'm really happy with the Sammy, but the way he was pushing the Denon......I was just wondering if maybe the Denon might be a better machine in the long run. I went with the Sammy because of the $60 difference and knew that if I wasn't happy with it I could take it back.
BigOc90

I also have a lot of movies on backup and have not had a problem with them playing yet. I just got done watching War of the Worlds that I backed up on a DVD+R DL and it played perfect. So far the only format that will not play is Ram, and I knew it wouldn't since it said so on the box...lol.
I have tried a lot of units here lately and this has the best picture so far !
I was wondering though........
BigOc90

The Best picture thing is good to know - I wonder why I can get it to play my DVD+R DL??

I also have a lot of movies on backup and have not had a problem with them playing yet. I just got done watching War of the Worlds that I backed up on a DVD+R DL and it played perfect. So far the only format that will not play is Ram, and I knew it wouldn't since it said so on the box...lol.
I have tried a lot of units here lately and this has the best picture so far !
I was wondering though........I almost bought a Denon DVD-557 but decided on the 1080P7 insted. Has anybody tried the PQ on both and if yes, which is better.
The sales person really tried to push the 557 on me. So far I'm really happy with the Sammy, but the way he was pushing the Denon......I was just wondering if maybe the Denon might be a better machine in the long run. I went with the Sammy because of the $60 difference and knew that if I wasn't happy with it I could take it back.
BigOc90

i'll prefer denon to samsung for $60, if it comparable, features, 1080p, divx, pal/ntsc.

is 557= 1920

The Best picture thing is good to know - I wonder why I can get it to play my DVD+R DL??

I can't understand it either. After I read your post, I went back into the entertainment room and tried another +DL disc I made ( the perfect storm ) and it played it great also.
I have looked to see if it says that it supports DVD +R DL in the manual but I can't find it any were in there. I don't know....maybe I just got lucky...lol.
I will tell ya though, it has the best picture that I have seen for a up conversion dvd player. My wife even talked about how good it looked and I have never heard her say anything about picture quality before, and I have tried several so far.
She thinks I make to much of a big deal about that. I can't believe she would say such a thing...lol :rolleyes:
This one so far... is a keeper for me !

BigOc90

i'll prefer denon to samsung for $60, if it comparable, features, 1080p, divx, pal/ntsc.

is 557= 1920

I don't know anything about the 557 at all. I just know that the sales person really liked it. But you can talk to 3 different sales people there and get 3 different opinions :rolleyes: .
Why do you prefer the denon over the sammy ? Have you seen the new sammy yet ? Is it the quality of build, or PQ, just wondering because I still have the 30 days and if the denon is that much better then I don't mind paying the extra money and taking the sammy back to get the denon.
I was never that big of a fan of Samsung dvd players before, but so far this one has changed my mind. I know there are much better players out there, but for the money, this one seems to be a keeper. ( so far ;) )

BigOc90

I can't understand it either. After I read your post, I went back into the entertainment room and tried another +DL disc I made ( the perfect storm ) and it played it great also.
I have looked to see if it says that it supports DVD +R DL in the manual but I can't find it any were in there. I don't know....maybe I just got lucky...lol.
I will tell ya though, it has the best picture that I have seen for a up conversion dvd player. My wife even talked about how good it looked and I have never heard her say anything about picture quality before, and I have tried several so far.
She thinks I make to much of a big deal about that. I can't believe she would say such a thing...lol :rolleyes:
This one so far... is a keeper for me !

BigOc90

The wife or the Sammy? :p

samsung has too many ongoing non resolved issues. along with false claims and horrible customer support.

One thing I have noticed - I have the Samsung 4641 and I have noticed that when I put a DVD in the 1080p it switches to the DVD input on the tv via the Anynet (sp) thing via HDMI conncetion.. anyways.. the right side of the screen about 2 inches is not filled the picture - I have to go and reset the 480, 1080 setting etc.. Was wondering if anyone else is having this probelm?

thanks

Mark

The wife or the Sammy? :p

Both...LOL :D

Bigoc90

I also have a lot of movies on backup and have not had a problem with them playing yet. I just got done watching War of the Worlds that I backed up on a DVD+R DL and it played perfect. So far the only format that will not play is Ram, and I knew it wouldn't since it said so on the box...lol.
I have tried a lot of units here lately and this has the best picture so far !
I was wondering though........I almost bought a Denon DVD-557 but decided on the 1080P7 insted. Has anybody tried the PQ on both and if yes, which is better.
The sales person really tried to push the 557 on me. So far I'm really happy with the Sammy, but the way he was pushing the Denon......I was just wondering if maybe the Denon might be a better machine in the long run. I went with the Sammy because of the $60 difference and knew that if I wasn't happy with it I could take it back.
BigOc90

Can you please tell me what brand of DVD+R DL you used - I am using Memorex and it doesnt work -

thanks

Mark

Picked one of these up at CC. Works great, I can see an improvement in the pq, although small, but an improvement nonetheless when watching in 1080p.
Have it hooked up to a Sammy LN-T4661 with hdmi and coax audio out to my Onkyo receiver. I have the dvd audio settings set to bitstream, with pcm being the other option. Under these settings I will get sound thru my receiver.

I do have a small problem, when watching a dvd,, sometimes I like the audio to come thru the tv's speakers (when watching late at night and the kiddies are asleep). In order to do this I have to set audio to pcm, otherwise I have no audio thru my tv. And with the pcm setting I only get Dolby pro logic but no DD or DTS, if I turn the receiver on ,has to be at bitstream for that.

With my previous Sony dvd player and also my Directv box, it dont matter, I got audio thru both with no problem at whatever audio was set to and DD and DTS worked fine. If I didnt want audio thru my receiver I just turned the receiver off and still get audio thru my tv.

DVD set to PCM = tv audio and dolby pro logic from my receiver (no dd or dts)
DVD set to Bitstream = dd, dts audio from my receiver, no audio output from the tv

Does anyone know if its possible with this Sammy dvd player to get audio thru both ways without having to toggle the pcm/bitstream settings?
I have the same problem. If you find a solution, let me know.

Just picked this unit at CC for 99.99. Looks great so far in 1080p. I will check the burnt DVDs in sec for you.

Mark
CC has it for sale. Its $89.99 now. I'm going after work to get a refund for the price difference.

Me too.

I think this player is great at its price. The color and sharpness are good so far on my TV SXRB (first generation) . Too bad that my tv does not accept signal upconverted to 1080p , but 720p and 1080i are great. I am happy with it for now until the BD and HD-DVD settle down.

Tried it. Not impressed with the quality at 1080p so iam returning it. I didnt see a lotta jaggies, pictures looks decent, also played divx without a problem. Over all quality at 1080p is much better than many upconverting players you might find at best buy or circuit city. If it was $60, i would have kept it.

Tried it. Not impressed with the quality at 1080p so iam returning it. I didnt see a lotta jaggies, pictures looks decent, also played divx without a problem. Over all quality at 1080p is much better than many upconverting players you might find at best buy or circuit city. If it was $60, i would have kept it.


Just curious as to which one you are going with..

Can you please tell me what brand of DVD+R DL you used - I am using Memorex and it doesnt work -

thanks

Mark

I have been using the Verbatim DVD + R DL without a problem. I have several movies on them and have tried 3 or 4 so far and they all play. I do have a couple of movies on the HP + R DL also but have not tried any of them. I will try them either today or tomorrow and will let you know how that goes.
Bigoc90

Tried it. Not impressed with the quality at 1080p so iam returning it. I didnt see a lotta jaggies, pictures looks decent, also played divx without a problem. Over all quality at 1080p is much better than many upconverting players you might find at best buy or circuit city. If it was $60, i would have kept it.

I am also curious as to what you are going to get next ? You said that if it was $60 you would have kept it, does that mean that you know one that is just as good as this one is, but only cost $60.

BigOc90

I have been using the Verbatim DVD + R DL without a problem. I have several movies on them and have tried 3 or 4 so far and they all play. I do have a couple of movies on the HP + R DL also but have not tried any of them. I will try them either today or tomorrow and will let you know how that goes.
Bigoc90


Thanks - just got some Verbatim and they work!!!

thanks again for the info!

Mark

I am also curious as to what you are going to get next ? You said that if it was $60 you would have kept it, does that mean that you know one that is just as good as this one is, but only cost $60.

BigOc90
I just thought $100 bucks for this player is a littel too much. I dunt know any player for $60 bucks that is good as this one. Iam just going to wait and test out the new players. the reason i said it should be worth $60 is because this player can do everything a divx player that costs $50 bucks, plus $10 for the "upconversion" feature. It really shoudnt be worth more than that.

I would strongly recommend pioneer 400v. only thing, we need is region free hack, player is superb

I just thought $100 bucks for this player is a littel too much. I dunt know any player for $60 bucks that is good as this one. Iam just going to wait and test out the new players. the reason i said it should be worth $60 is because this player can do everything a divx player that costs $50 bucks, plus $10 for the "upconversion" feature. It really shoudnt be worth more than that.

Understand, when you do try a new one....if you find one that you think is better than this one , let me know please. I'm always looking for something better !

Bigoc90

I have been using the Verbatim DVD + R DL without a problem. I have several movies on them and have tried 3 or 4 so far and they all play. I do have a couple of movies on the HP + R DL also but have not tried any of them. I will try them either today or tomorrow and will let you know how that goes.
Bigoc90

Okay - now the DVD DLs that were working NOW dont work.. this is getting frustrating..

Thinking about switchin out this player now.

And I to have the same problem with the Digital out working with PCM and HDMI and then not with HDMI when I switch it to BitStream...

Mark

Okay - now the DVD DLs that were working NOW dont work.. this is getting frustrating..

Thinking about switchin out this player now.

And I to have the same problem with the Digital out working with PCM and HDMI and then not with HDMI when I switch it to BitStream...

Mark

Maybe you have gotten a bad player.
I have tried 2 of the movies that I have on the HP + R DL and they both work fine. I haven't had a problem with it playing any type of disc ...yet. But I am going to keep my box very close at hand ...just in case I do have a problem.
So far I am very happy with this player except for the sound thing. I wish they would have had the analog or DDS sound pass through to the tv like most, but if that is the only problem I have with it I will keep it. I listen to the surround 90% of the time anyway.
Maybe you could take it back and try another one and see what happens ?
I have been very lucky so far, not 1 freeze up or anything....yet...lol.
BigOc90

A few weeks ago I purchased the Sony DVP-NS75H at Circuit City and am still within my 30 Day Return window. The Sony does a nice job upconverting to 720p and 1080i, but lacks the 1080p capability (and I have a 1080p-capable set). Any advice on whether I should return the Sony and pick up this Samsung?

I tried the new philips 5982. It seems to play my DVD DL(cheapo office depot brand) disk which my Samsung 1080p7 didnt play. I dont really see much difference in upconverion(ill be honest, they both suck). Also the philips got a usb connection. Overall build quality goes to samsung, philips looks very cheap. but the important difference is taht philips is only $65.
I think iam gonna be retuning my samsung, and keeping the philips for NOW.

Does anyone know of a hack yet for this player to make it region free?? I tried older hacks for Samsung units but did not work.

thanks

Mark


same here...I want to be sure to find a region free hack before to buy it.
I want this particular player because it matches my Samsung TV and upconvert to 1080p.
Did you try this Samsung "hack" ?
-SET HDMI SEL BUTTON TO 480P, THEN OPEN TRAY NO DISK ON IT,
PRESS INFO BUTTON, AND PRESS NINE, UNTIL NUMBER 9 APPEARS ON LEFT
CORNER OF TV DISPLAY, THEN, TURN OFF DVD, THEN ON

same here...I want to be sure to find a region free hack before to buy it.
I want this particular player because it matches my Samsung TV and upconvert to 1080p.
Did you try this Samsung "hack" ?
-SET HDMI SEL BUTTON TO 480P, THEN OPEN TRAY NO DISK ON IT,
PRESS INFO BUTTON, AND PRESS NINE, UNTIL NUMBER 9 APPEARS ON LEFT
CORNER OF TV DISPLAY, THEN, TURN OFF DVD, THEN ON


I havent tried doing it in 480p mode.. I have tried a bunch of older Samsung Hacks though - I mean ALOT... I even bought the phillips remote and tried that method..

No luck - but I will try the 480 thing tonight and post back here ther results -

Mark

same here...I want to be sure to find a region free hack before to buy it.
I want this particular player because it matches my Samsung TV and upconvert to 1080p.
Did you try this Samsung "hack" ?
-SET HDMI SEL BUTTON TO 480P, THEN OPEN TRAY NO DISK ON IT,
PRESS INFO BUTTON, AND PRESS NINE, UNTIL NUMBER 9 APPEARS ON LEFT
CORNER OF TV DISPLAY, THEN, TURN OFF DVD, THEN ON


tried it - didnt work.. Any other ideas on Hacks.. I have tried a few..been driving me a little nutz trying to find one.

How does the Samsung 1080p7 compare to the Samsung 960 - both are 1080p and I know there is a hack for the 960.

Would love to hear some input on this?

I was just wondering if maybe the Denon might be a better machine in the long run.
This all depends on what you're looking for. The Denon has a audiophile-grade audio processor in the form of a Burr-Brown 24/192 Audio DAC, so its sound will be better. However the picture quality on the 1080p7 will be better.

Does anyone know of a hack yet for this player to make it region free??
Still looking, but to do a cold boot...

Turn on the machine and hold down the PLAY and NEXT CHAPTER button on the machine itself - and that will bring up the language menu ...

BTW, Circuit City has this unit on sale now for $89 :)

Wow, I already have an older Sammy upconverter (HD-845), but I think I might go ahead and get this one too, even though I don't own a 1080p HDTV, because it's black... :) It will come in handy when I do get that spiffy 1080p joint though.

up last night from BB for about 84 bucks after using the latest 12% off coupon BB sent out. Hooked it up to my 1080p 47 inch Vizio and tried Star Wars Episode 3. Looked pretty dang good but couldn't really tell much difference between my old 1080i and this 1080p one. Though at least my TV said it was actually in 1080p mode, so it was definitely working.

www.twice.com/article/CA6436530.html

The Samsung BD-P1200 player, $799 street price release in June has the Reon Chip.

Also see Secrets review of the Samsung BluRay player which uses the Reon chip and scored right under the Denon DVD-5910

Just a heads up... Best Buy has the 1080p7 for only 84 bucks if you do a price match with circuit city ;)

I ended up taking my 1080p7 back to Circuit City and tried the new Pioneer DV-400V and got it from Best Buy. I ended up taking it back in 2 hours.. really didnt like the remote the functions - the way you switch from 480p to 1080p, plus it didnt play my DVDR+DLs either. I am sticking with the 1080p7 for while.... I do have the Samsung 4641 and love the fact that when you put a DVD in the player it switches to the DVD input on the TV - great for kids. Plus the 1080p output looked better on the Samsung than the Pioneer.

Mark

This all depends on what you're looking for. The Denon has a audiophile-grade audio processor in the form of a Burr-Brown 24/192 Audio DAC, so its sound will be better. However the picture quality on the 1080p7 will be better.


Still looking, but to do a cold boot...

Turn on the machine and hold down the PLAY and NEXT CHAPTER button on the machine itself - and that will bring up the language menu ...

BTW, Circuit City has this unit on sale now for $89 :)

I appreciate the heads up on that. Thats exactly the kind of info I was looking for ! :)
I believe I will keep this one then. If I have to choose between better picture and better sound.....I will go with the better picture every time.....just my opinion of course, but to me the sound on the sammy is plenty good enough especially with the quality of the video that the sammy is putting out.
I just hope the build quality is as good as the picture, and it holds up over time.
I can't wait for a region code hack either. A very good friend of mine is stationed in Iraq right now, but when he was in Germany, he got me several videos and didn't know that they wouldn't play in our DVD players. I have - Band of Brothers, and, From the earth to the moon but can't play em...LOL ! Aw well at lest he tried.

Just a heads up... Best Buy has the 1080p7 for only 84 bucks if you do a price match with circuit city ;)

So I bought this player 2 days ago at BB for 99$ (I really like it so far). What can I do to have the price match (I have a 12% off coupon too) ? No I need to take it back then rebuy it or will they reimburse me the difference??

I just hope the build quality is as good as the picture, and it holds up over time.
In the 'old days' when Samsung first came out they were built kind of cheaply, but these days that's all completely changed. Infact a lot of parts in the Sony sets are now made by Samsung ;)

What can I do to have the price match
Hi Gabrielh1979 :) You'll need to find a Circuit City by you that has this unit in stock. You can do this via the CC website. Then BB will call them and verify that CC sells it for 89 (it's on sale this week). BB will then match thier price and give you another 10% discount. They most likely will not allow the additional 12% coupon, but you'll need to ask them about that before hand. BTW, most BB have a huge video screen in their video department comprised of several standard sized LCD screens. Did you know that BB uses the Samsung player to power this display? There's a reason for that. Enjoy your new 1080p7 :)

In the 'old days' when Samsung first came out they were built kind of cheaply, but these days that's all completely changed. Infact a lot of parts in the Sony sets are now made by Samsung ;)


Hi Gabrielh1979 :) You'll need to find a Circuit City by you that has this unit in stock. You can do this via the CC website. Then BB will call them and verify that CC sells it for 89 (it's on sale this week). BB will then match thier price and give you another 10% discount. They most likely will not allow the additional 12% coupon, but you'll need to ask them about that before hand. BTW, most BB have a huge video screen in their video department comprised of several standard sized LCD screens. Did you know that BB uses the Samsung player to power this display? There's a reason for that. Enjoy your new 1080p7 :)


thanks...so I can just go in store with my receipt and they will give me some money back right ?
My local CC have them in stock.

That all depends on how you 'explain' it to them :D Theoretically you should just be able to go in there, tell them that you learned about the better pricing, and you want them to price match it, but the problem is that you've already purchased the unit, so they aren't as concerned about 'making a sale' at this point, so you'll need them to believe that they can still lose the sale. You'll need to throw them off gaurd and make them believe that you're upset and feel ripped off because you learned that their competitor (circuit city) sells the same unit for less. Just act dumb and ask them if they can "simply price match circuit city's price". They should be relieved that it will resolve the matter and refund you the difference.

Generally speaking though it is always better to do a price match before you buy something, because it gives you more bargaining power. Whenever possible try to price match best buy with wal-mart. Not because they have better prices, but because best buy usually won't call wal-mart to check to see if the unit is in stock. They know that if they try, that they will probably be put on hold for hours, and the customer (you) will start to get upset that it's taking them so long to do the price match :p Make sure you bring the receipt with you. At this point you're probably better off going straight to the customer service desk instead of a salesman (who will probably send you to customer service anyway). Hope it all works out for you :)

That all depends on how you 'explain' it to them :D Theoretically you should just be able to go in there, tell them that you learned about the better pricing, and you want them to price match it, but the problem is that you've already purchased the unit, so they aren't as concerned about 'making a sale' at this point, so you'll need them to believe that they can still lose the sale. You'll need to throw them off gaurd and make them believe that you're upset and feel ripped off because you learned that their competitor (circuit city) sells the same unit for less. Just act dumb and ask them if they can "simply price match circuit city's price". They should be relieved that it will resolve the matter and refund you the difference.

Generally speaking though it is always better to do a price match before you buy something, because it gives you more bargaining power. Whenever possible try to price match best buy with wal-mart. Not because they have better prices, but because best buy usually won't call wal-mart to check to see if the unit is in stock. They know that if they try, that they will probably be put on hold for hours, and the customer (you) will start to get upset that it's taking them so long to do the price match :p Make sure you bring the receipt with you. At this point you're probably better off going straight to the customer service desk instead of a salesman (who will probably send you to customer service anyway). Hope it all works out for you :)


great that's a good explaination !

If they won't do that, I can always take the player back...then buy it again no ? :p


Still looking for the region-free hack for this player ! 80% of my DVD are Region 2.

great that's a good explaination !

If they won't do that, I can always take the player back...then buy it again no ? :p


Still looking for the region-free hack for this player ! 80% of my DVD are Region 2.


I am with you on that QUEST!!!!!!!!!

If they won't do that, I can always take the player back...then buy it again no ?
Theoretically :D Nothing is certain with best buy or circuit city, but I think you'll be OK :p

Does anyone know if the 1080P7's HDMI is 1.3 ?

Just started looking for a DVD player and was curious... why not an Oppo?

Does the Harmony remote work with this player?

Thanks

Does anyone know if the 1080P7's HDMI is 1.3 ?

they did claim, orig, but no proof!They did claim reon chip too :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

they did claim, orig, but no proof!They did claim reon chip too :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I thought that is was confirmed that the Reon Chip is in there - some one opened it up in previous posts and looked inside and saw it.. correct??

:D The 1080p7 has a Zoran chipset in it. Just looked


here..

Only had one problem so far. Was watching The Day after Tomorrow. It played good, but if i already started the movie and tried to go to the menu, the whole dvd player would lock up. Cant open the dvd tray. Can't power off. Nothing. Had to power cycle the dvd player to regain control over it. I was able to replicate the problem over and over... So far this is the only movie i have encountered this problem. :(

I had the same type problem with my new DVD-1080p7. Seems that if you hit just the right combination of buttons on the remote, you will lock-up the player. Happenned 4 times, but I never figured out the combination. Also, you will notice that SVCD and VCD are not supported, but you can rip the Mpeg from them and burn to a data CDr and they play fine. I talked to tech support last weekend, and they are sending me a firmware up-grade CD that hopefully will fix these little issues.

Otherwise the result from this player is better than I get from my other 480P players with my Pani 42" plasma TV. Going digital video all the way to the panel makes a nice improvement. Divx playback is very good... Audio files seem to have better base responce now... Very happy with my purchase from CC if the firmware upgrade works.

Does this unit play all formats of burnt backup DVDs(DVD+R,DVD-R etc)? Has anyone tested burnt backup DVDs on it?

Thanks

I have tested Verbatum CD-RW and GQ brand DVD-RW on the DVD-1080P7 player and these worked fine. Tried a Memorex CD-RW and it would not load... So the player will be sensitive to some brands of disks. Tried lots of brands of DVD-R and CD-R media and seems like there is no play-back issue with that type media.

I had the dvd-hd960 ($185), returned it and have the dvd-1080p7 ($89 circuit city)
from a layman's perspective it's better than the hd960, but still not great.

It looks really good during bright passages like the hd960 did, as good or better than my HD cable box...
but during darker sequences it looks fuzzy / snowy. The hd960 was worse. It had like blocky shadows following behind the figures. (is that marcoblocking?)

Since there's nothing with a great reputation for near Blu-Ray quality, I'll guess I'll stick with it. It was cheap.

The 1080p7 is basically an updated version of the HD960 :)

crap.

Is there anything that is a better value, cost vs. image quality, than 1080p7? The Oppo...whichever one?

If you get a $1000 blu-ray player does it upconvert old DVD's to better than HD cable box picture quality?

Is there anything that is a better value, cost vs. image quality, than 1080p7?
Currently I think this is the one to beat :)

The 1080p7 is basically an updated version of the HD960 :)

didnt 960 do dvd audio/sacd

crap.

Is there anything that is a better value, cost vs. image quality, than 1080p7? The Oppo...whichever one?

If you get a $1000 blu-ray player does it upconvert old DVD's to better than HD cable box picture quality?

The Samsung BD-P1200 ($799 list) uses the Reon-VX HQV® video processor which should do a better job of up-converting.

Does the Harmony remote work with this player?

Thanks

I got the player today and the Harmony works fine. Also my 16X DVD+R backups playing.

Whenever a pause a movie and then start again I am getting an message saying "HDMI audio not supported". I am using my Pioneer receiver for my audio so I am getting sound so what does this message mean?

Whenever a pause a movie and then start again I am getting an message saying "HDMI audio not supported". I am using my Pioneer receiver for my audio so I am getting sound so what does this message mean?

Thats because in your DVD player audio settings you have the output audio set to bitstream so it can output DD & DTS to your receiver.
If you switch the audio on the player to PCM you will get sound through the tv and not have the msg. on your screen ( HDMI audio not supported ). But you will not get sound through the receiver with it set to PCM.
Thats the one thing that I don't like about this player. Most will let the sound pass through to the tv with it set to bitstream, but for what ever reason.....this one doesn't.

Thanks for the info about the HDMI message.

Thats because in your DVD player audio settings you have the output audio set to bitstream so it can output DD & DTS to your receiver.
If you switch the audio on the player to PCM you will get sound through the tv and not have the msg. on your screen ( HDMI audio not supported ). But you will not get sound through the receiver with it set to PCM.
Thats the one thing that I don't like about this player. Most will let the sound pass through to the tv with it set to bitstream, but for what ever reason.....this one doesn't.

Is it possible to get the sound through the receiver? I read your post a couple of times. Are you saying using a HDMI cable to a receiver, you can't get sound through the receiver without the message? To not get the message, you have to have the sound through the TV only?

I'm sure I've misunderstood, but can you please clarify?

Is it possible to get the sound through the receiver? I read your post a couple of times. Are you saying using a HDMI cable to a receiver, you can't get sound through the receiver without the message? To not get the message, you have to have the sound through the TV only?

I'm sure I've misunderstood, but can you please clarify?

So far thats the only way that I have been able to get the msg. off.
But I really am not sure about that. My Yamaha receiver doesn't have any HDMI ports, so I really don't know how that would work with a receiver that does have HDMI ports.
I know that some players will send PCM through the HDMI to the tv, while it also sends a bitstream signal to your receiver. That way you get sound through the tv and the receiver at the same time. But this player will only send out one or the other.
I don't know why they did that. Like I said....thats one thing that I really don't like about this player. But everything else about this player I really love, so I'm not going to let that stop me from keeping it.

Greetings.
I´m new to this board and this is my first post on AVS forum.
Regarding the quest for a region hack for the 1080p player in question: any success? Like a fellow poster here, more than half of my dvd collection is region 2 PAL, so a region hack would be a condition for me buying the player. And has anyone tried playing a PAL disc in it? Does it convert the signal to NTSC ? I don´t have a PAL TV and so far I´ve used Pioneer players which do convert PAL signals to NTSC, but I´m now thinking of switching to the new Samsung upconverter.

Thanks in advance.
Leo (Belo Horizonte - Brazil)

For region free, cheap, and 1080p HDMI go for Philips 5982. If you got the dough, go for Oppo 981HD (region free hackable, 1080p HDMI) which uses DCDi and may cause macroblockings on some TVs.

Thanks for your reply.
If I´m not mistaken, all Philips players are capable of playing PAL without converting to NTSC first. That means I need a PAL TV which I don´t, and that´s why Pioneer and Samsung players are interesting to me since they convert to NTSC first. I currently have a Pioneer 588. My girlfriend will take a short trip to Orlando, Florida in July, and she can buy a player for me provided it´s available at a Walmart/Circuit City type of retailer which seems to be on the way of her "tour". The Samsung 1080p is available at the Walmart site so I assume it will be avaliable at the actual store in July as well. Can any of you recomend any othe retailer in the Orlando area? Walmart just isn´t my cup of tea.
Cheers.

LeoFaraon :

I just got a new 1080P7 and tested some PAL DVDs on a NTSC TV :

It DOES play PAL dvds on NTSC TVs if the region is 0 (zero) or multi-region (1,2,3,4,5,6)

It doesn't play PAL disks encoded with a specific region . A msg comes up alerting for the wrong region. PAL region 2, for example, no dice.

If there is a way to hack it, I don't know.

Sergio

Fellow posters of the AVS forum:

I know this will sound like amateur hour, and it may go a little off-topic, but upon reflection I realised I desperately need your help at this moment.
I have a brand new (for latin american standards) so-called "home theater in a box" (Sony HT-SS1000), which is NOT HDMI compliant (I live in Brazil where the HTSS1000, unlike the european version of the same model, doesn´t have HDMI). I do not have a LCD TV yet, but I plan on getting one with either a 1080p or 1080i resolution soon. I am currently looking for a new DVD player (like the new Samsung which is the topic of this thread) to replace my Pioneer 588 which does not upconvert, but I want to keep my "home theater in a box" (which offers 3 audio inputs) and at the same time take full advantage of upconvertion technology,

(Notice that in my following questions I include the most basic info requests. Please bear with me)

1. Can I connect a HDMI upconverting player like the new 1080p Samsumg via HDMI outputs to a 1080p LCD display, and STILL utilize my old Sony HT-SS1000 home theater-in-a-box via either optical or coaxial audio 5.1 inputs in conjunction with THE SAME UPSCALER DVD PLAYER to play DD and DTS content, or does it mean that by hooking the player via HDMI to upconvert I am rendering my SONY receiver useless?

2. Is there a player that upconverts to either 1080i or 1080p via component outputs, thus allowing me to use my Sony HT-SS1000? In case that player exists, is there a region hack for it and does it play PAL dvds?

3. Does it all mean that if I want to keep my Sony HT-in-a-box and upconvert via HDMI, I need to find a TV that´s got a (optical/coaxial) 5.1 audio OUTPUT to connect with my audio reciever? (That would severely limit the choices of tv sets I could buy given that in my country only the most expensive sets come with audio 5.1 S/PDIF outputs (and only coaxial at that...)

4. Is there a way to hook a player to a TV via HDMI choosing only it´s video option, while using the optical 5.1 output of my Sony HT1000 instead? I´ve checked the new Pioneer 1080p player´s manual and I found nothing in that respect, but maybe I´m missing something.

So, considering I want to keep my Sony HT in a box badly, what options do I have?
And just in case you haven´t realised how little I understand about these matters, let me ask you this: Are component outputs capable of playing only 480p? The thing is my current TV set accepts both 480p and 1080i - not 720p (!) - via component inputs, but it doen´t have HDMI, therefore the case can be made that 1080 upconertion is possible with components. However, that would still not help, because I would want the full resolution of HDMI, as far as video is concernead, asfter I purchuse a new TV set... but maybe THAT`S too much to ask.

Anyway, I hope it won´t be too much to ask of you guys to help me out on this as soon as possible, since I still have the option of returning my SONY HT1000, but time is running out (there are only 4 days left for that as per Brazilian exchange and return policies.)

Any help would be much appreciated indeed.
Thank you kindly.
L. Faraon

there's some much buzz about HQV... but there's another company Anchor Bay that makes the famous DVDO products which is used by Denon, Marantz, Arcam etc.

anyone has tried products with anchor bay chipset? interesting to compared with Reon and Faruojda?

[QUOTE=LeoFaraon]

1. Can I connect a HDMI upconverting player like the new 1080p Samsumg via HDMI outputs to a 1080p LCD display, and STILL utilize my old Sony HT-SS1000 home theater-in-a-box via either optical or coaxial audio 5.1 inputs in conjunction with THE SAME UPSCALER DVD PLAYER to play DD and DTS content, or does it mean that by hooking the player via HDMI to upconvert I am rendering my SONY receiver useless?

2. Is there a player that upconverts to either 1080i or 1080p via component outputs, thus allowing me to use my Sony HT-SS1000? In case that player exists, is there a region hack for it and does it play PAL dvds?

3. Does it all mean that if I want to keep my Sony HT-in-a-box and upconvert via HDMI, I need to find a TV that´s got a (optical/coaxial) 5.1 audio OUTPUT to connect with my audio reciever? (That would severely limit the choices of tv sets I could buy given that in my country only the most expensive sets come with audio 5.1 S/PDIF outputs (and only coaxial at that...)

4. Is there a way to hook a player to a TV via HDMI choosing only it´s video option, while using the optical 5.1 output of my Sony HT1000 instead? I´ve checked the new Pioneer 1080p player´s manual and I found nothing in that respect, but maybe I´m missing something.

So, considering I want to keep my Sony HT in a box badly, what options do I have?
And just in case you haven´t realised how little I understand about these matters, let me ask you this: Are component outputs capable of playing only 480p? The thing is my current TV set accepts both 480p and 1080i - not 720p (!) - via component inputs, but it doen´t have HDMI, therefore the case can be made that 1080 upconertion is possible with components. However, that would still not help, because I would want the full resolution of HDMI, as far as video is concernead, asfter I purchuse a new TV set... but maybe THAT`S too much to ask.

/QUOTE]

I will do what I can to answer your questions - I'm not completely familiar with your set-up so I might be a little off, but here goes:

1. You should be able to do that. I have my DVD player connected directly to my TV and connected via coaxial to my receiver.

2. I am not sure of whether there are players that upconvert over component

3. No

4. I'm not sure how the Pioneer works. I own a Westinghouse and have the option of either internal or external speakers, and I have it set to external so I get no sound out of the TV. The other option would be to just mute the TV.

Hope that helps

LeoFaraon

Until you get your HDMI TV, just do the following:

-Connect the components from the 1080p7 to your TV. This will give you 480i/480P only unless some people find the code to unblock the HTPC from components. On all Samsung players so far there is a code to do that but so far no game on the 1080p7.

-Connect the optical digital from your 1080p7 to your HTIB to get DD and DTS.

After you get a HDMI capable TV:

-Connect your 1080p7 to the TV through the HDMI. This will give you 1080i or 1080P if the TV can handle 1080P through HDMI.

-Connect the same optical digital out from the 1080P7 to yout HTIB. This will give you DD and DTS through the HTIB.


Sergio

wallybarthman and Sergio:

Thanks a lot for your input. It is much appreciated. I hope it didn´t sound like much ado about nothing, but I must say that concerned me a lot, for a moment. I´m glad I can use HDMI and still hear sound from the optical output. Is that an automatic process or do I have to switch any options in the player´s menu to allow the optical audio output? I read the new Pioneer´s manual (DV490-S) avaliable at the Pioneer website and it says on page 34:

"The DIGITAL AUDIO OUT, Component Out
and AV Connector Out settings cannot be
set if the player is connected to an HDMI compatible
component using the HDMI connector."

What does that mean really? When connecting the player to the TV via HDMI, and to the HTIB via optical outputs, will I still be able to switch between the various audio options (DD, DTS, etc.) while sending the signal to my receiver?
Is the new Samsung like that as well?

And about the hacks for the Samsung players that Sergio mentioned:
Have you tried the ones avaliable at the VCDhelp site on the 1080P? (They seem to work with the Samsung DVD-HD870, but notice that is only the case when the player is originally region 2)

So, are there region hacks for the HD870 (region 1)?

And where can I find the code to unblock the HTPC from components of the other Samsung players? Does the code work for the DVD-HD870 as well?

Still, the best way to go would be with the 1080P which is more readily available to me. The only thing hanging is the region code. Are the DVD-HD870 and the 1080P really that different to the point of a region code working on one and not the other? Do you really think there will be a region hack for the 1080P? Here´s hoping.

I also have lots of DIVX. How do these two player handle DIVX subtitles? Is it necessary for the subtitle files to have the same name as the video file, like with the Philips players?

Last question: in a nutshell, aside from the 1080P upconvertion capability, what are the other differences between the DVD-HD870 and the 1080P, image-wise? How about the DVD-HD960 vs. the 1080P? Has the DVD-HD960 been discontinued?

What does that mean really?
I think you might be confusing connectors with options. Digital (TOSlink), component, HDMI are all connectors. HDMI is simply a DVI digital video output PLUS a digital audio feed in one simple connector. When you use HDMI you are using BOTH digital video AND digital audio in one cable. All audio options should be available to HDMI and/or all TOS link connectors (both optical and coax) :)

There are no region hacks for the 1080P7, yet. Hackers are working hard on it, as they always do !

Sergio

There are no region hacks for the 1080P7, yet. Hackers are working hard on it, as they always do !

Sergio

;) ;) pls do make them work on blue ray player too.

How long has it been since the 1080p was released? A month or so? Or was it released May 06´? Do you fellas think that by this point there still is a chance to find a region hack for it?
And does the HD870 have a region hack afterall? I can´t seem to find one that works for a model that´s originally region1. How about the code to unblock the HTPC? If so, could any of you point me to that? I´m sure there are other people who still don´t have that information. I only hope there isn´t a thread where that´s been covered already.

Will I see improvement with this on a 1080i CRT set?

I currently have a 480p progressive hooked up via component.

junkyak,

I guess not, from what the other posters have said to me. Upconvertion via component outputs is only possible with a code to unblock the HTPC and so far the code for the Samsung 1080p hasn´t been found. The other question is, does the Samsung DV870 have that code, as well as a region hack?

How long has it been since the 1080p was released? A month or so? Or was it released May 06´? Do you fellas think that by this point there still is a chance to find a region hack for it?
And does the HD870 have a region hack afterall? I can´t seem to find one that works for a model that´s originally region1. How about the code to unblock the HTPC? If so, could any of you point me to that? I´m sure there are other people who still don´t have that information. I only hope there isn´t a thread where that´s been covered already.

It was just released this year......it's been out about a month. I don't know of any hack yet, but I've heard that they're hard at work for one. ( for region code that is ). I don't know about a hack for the HTPC. Maybe someone else knows about one.

Until they found a region-free hack, I'll backup the PAL DVD that I want to watch and....voila :p

Does the fact that there isn´t a region hack for the Samsung Blu-Ray player yet mean that they´re not "working hard enough" to find it or do you think that´s because there isn´t a hack for it at all? Is that the Samsung Blu-Ray player with all those image problems that everyone complained about? I mean, it´s been a while since they released that player, almost 6 months maybe. What do you make of it? We could end up with the same problem with the 1080p. Making backups of the discs you want to watch that are not region 1 is the only way to go so far, but that´s hard when you have almost 80% of your collection being region 2 (in my case region 4) and sometimes you might just want to play a movie at random. Of course we could still watch it using a different player, but that´s not the point. We might end up having to wait 6 months + for a hack, and that´s just no good. In my case in particular I´ll be buying the player and taking it to another country so returning or selling it is not an option, since I live in a region 4 area and it would be useless unless it was hacked.

It all goes to show that Region Coding is ridiculous, period. Some titles will just never get released in some areas, so by creating a region coding system they make the region hacking endeavor be almost public service. The other option is to release bootleg copies of the discs that don´t have local area code releases. Take Paramount Brazil for instance. They only release 10 or less titles a month in Latin America, so if you want to watch say The Elephant Man or Reds in Brazil, you either buy the pirate copy at a newstand around the corner or you hack your region 4 player to play the region 1 dvd. Of course Paramount would say: "in this case, we just don´t want you to watch it."
Well, I don´t think so.
And if you have to buy a good player like the Samsung 1080p to play region one discs, then you can´t play the rest of your collection, and you end up depending on a potential hack which might never appear. Crude.

Sorry for the rant. Late night weirdness.
I´ll just shut up and wait for the hack. Or maybe I´ll try to create one myself.

junkyak,

I guess not, from what the other posters have said to me. Upconvertion via component outputs is only possible with a code to unblock the HTPC and so far the code for the Samsung 1080p hasn´t been found. The other question is, does the Samsung DV870 have that code, as well as a region hack?


actually I was going to hook it up via HDMI since my crt set has an input for it.

Does the fact that there isn´t a region hack for the Samsung Blu-Ray player yet mean that they´re not "working hard enough" to find it or do you think that´s because there isn´t a hack for it at all? Is that the Samsung Blu-Ray player with all those image problems that everyone complained about? I mean, it´s been a while since they released that player, almost 6 months maybe. What do you make of it? We could end up with the same problem with the 1080p. Making backups of the discs you want to watch that are not region 1 is the only way to go so far, but that´s hard when you have almost 80% of your collection being region 2 (in my case region 4) and sometimes you might just want to play a movie at random. Of course we could still watch it using a different player, but that´s not the point. We might end up having to wait 6 months + for a hack, and that´s just no good. In my case in particular I´ll be buying the player and taking it to another country so returning or selling it is not an option, since I live in a region 4 area and it would be useless unless it was hacked.

It all goes to show that Region Coding is ridiculous, period. Some titles will just never get released in some areas, so by creating a region coding system they make the region hacking endeavor be almost public service. The other option is to release bootleg copies of the discs that don´t have local area code releases. Take Paramount Brazil for instance. They only release 10 or less titles a month in Latin America, so if you want to watch say The Elephant Man or Reds in Brazil, you either buy the pirate copy at a newstand around the corner or you hack your region 4 player to play the region 1 dvd. Of course Paramount would say: "in this case, we just don´t want you to watch it."
Well, I don´t think so.
And if you have to buy a good player like the Samsung 1080p to play region one discs, then you can´t play the rest of your collection, and you end up depending on a potential hack which might never appear. Crude.

Sorry for the rant. Late night weirdness.
I´ll just shut up and wait for the hack. Or maybe I´ll try to create one myself.



yep, you're right.

I think I'll just take this player back and go with the Philips 5982(63$ at BB !)..... that have region-free hack and save 40$

i'll prefer denon to samsung for $60, if it comparable, features, 1080p, divx, pal/ntsc.

is 557= 1920

The DVD-557 is apparently the same as the Denon DVD-1730.

http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3314.asp

Chris

"I think I'll just take this player back and go with the Philips 5982(63$ at BB !)..... that have region-free hack and save 40$ "

gabrielh1979 :

I though of going with the Philips too. If you do that, would you be so kind as to tell me whether or not the DIVX subtitles need to have the same filename as the AVI file to work?
And I assume the Philips doesn´t convert the PAL signal to NTSC, so we need to have a PAL compatible TV to play PAL dvds in it, right? Could you confirm that?

I bought the Samsung earlier today and went back just as fast. It would not play The Matrix Revolutions. It would freeze during certain scenes and skip chapters. The picture was a let down via HDMI as well. Nowhere near as crisp or filmlike as my now dead Yamaha over HDMI. I picked up the well regarded Sony NS75H and am thrilled with it so far. Very good picture(I could almost be fooled into thinking it was HD), tons of options, and just a good all around player.

I bought the Samsung earlier today and went back just as fast. It would not play The Matrix Revolutions. It was freeze during certain scenes and skip chapters. The picture was a let down via HDMI as well. Nowhere near as crisp or filmlike as my now dead Yamaha over HDMI. I picked up the well regarded Sony NS75H and am thrilled with it so far. Very good picture(I could almost be fooled into thinking it was HD), tons of options, and just a good all around player.

This is very interesting information - thank you. I own the Sony and have really been impressed with it, but frustrated with its lack of 1080p output (I have a 1080p capable monitor). I had considered picking up the Samsung to test it out side-by-side but I may spare myself the trouble given your input.

How does this Samsung compare to the Oppo 981?

For anyone who has looked at both this player and Philips 5982, is the Philips the better player?

How does this Samsung compare to the Oppo 981?

No contest, I guess. The 1080P7 is a cheap player and we shouldn't expect top performance from a 89 bucks machine. There's no miracle .

Sergio

I just bought the 1080P7 to replace my ancient (non-progressive, non-MP3, etc.) player. It is hooked up via S-video to my 27" CRT (still waiting to pull the trigger on a Samsung Txx54 plasma).
I've noticed the picture seems to be off-centered to the left an inch or so on both menus and the movies. Is there any way to correct this?

I just got the new Sammy and am using it with a 32 inch 1080i Westinghouse LCD I got in the bedroom. I think PQ is excellent in 480p resolution but when I upscale to 1080i there is a thin line at the very bottom of the screen. It appears as if the very top of the picture is lopped off and stuck on the bottom. I gotta play with this a bit more to see what's going on.....could be an incompatibility.

I've also noticed once or twice on different DVDs the picture momentarily losing frames. The best way I can explain this is that you're playing a PC game with demanding graphics and you go into an area with lots of action and the frame rate goes down and gets choppy. That's what's happening here.

I really like the PQ when this thing is working right but it will be returned if I can't find a solution to these issues.

Bought this player two weeks ago from BB as a replacement for a LG-DN191H. I was just not happy with the LG as it intermittenly would skip and/or freeze up...it seemed like some DVDs were worse than others.

I'm very pleased with the Sammy and I have it connnected to my Mitsubishi WD-65731 via HDMI and running 1080p. Also, connected via optical to a Pioneer VSX-1016 AV receiver.

I'm still waiting for the HD-DVD/Blu-Ray thing to sort out and for prices to drop a bit more. Realizing that the Sammy is not going to be as good as either one of those formats, I'm pretty happy with this player (given it's price) to bridge the gap for me until I take that step.

Since I've had the Sammy I've watched X-Men: Last Stand, Children of Men and Pan's Labrynith...all of which looked pretty awesome to me and the sound was great as well.

If you're considering a low cost, upconverting 1080P capable DVD player to get you by until you pull the trigger on a HD-DVD or Blu-Ray (or combo player) then you ought to at least consider the Samsung...I'm glad I did.

Regards,

Dallas (Cowboys) fan

Bought this player two weeks ago from BB as a replacement for a LG-DN191H. I was just not happy with the LG as it intermittenly would skip and/or freeze up...it seemed like some DVDs were worse than others.

I'm very pleased with the Sammy and I have it connnected to my Mitsubishi WD-65731 via HDMI and running 1080p. Also, connected via optical to a Pioneer VSX-1016 AV receiver.

I'm still waiting for the HD-DVD/Blu-Ray thing to sort out and for prices to drop a bit more. Realizing that the Sammy is not going to be as good as either one of those formats, I'm pretty happy with this player (given it's price) to bridge the gap for me until I take that step.

Since I've had the Sammy I've watched X-Men: Last Stand, Children of Men and Pan's Labrynith...all of which looked pretty awesome to me and the sound was great as well.

If you're considering a low cost, upconverting 1080P capable DVD player to get you by until you pull the trigger on a HD-DVD or Blu-Ray (or combo player) then you ought to at least consider the Samsung...I'm glad I did.

Regards,

Dallas (Cowboys) fan

ditto..... i'm using it on an LG 32FS4D and i'm very happy with both the PQ, AQ and it's Divx capabilities. so far i've watched the fountain, pans labyrinth, a porcupine tree concert and the fifth element and they all looked fantastic. i'm very happy with my purchase.

Also, connected via optical to a Pioneer VSX-1016 AV receiver.
That's a great reciever :D We're seriously thinking about picking one up :)

you will notice that SVCD and VCD are not supported, but you can rip the Mpeg from them and burn to a data CDr and they play fine. I talked to tech support last weekend, and they are sending me a firmware up-grade CD that hopefully will fix these little issues.

Did you get the firmware upgrade, and can you play SVCD and VCDs?

Also, since SVCDs and VCDs are not DVDs nor css-encrypted can this player upscale SVCD and VCDs to 1080p over component?

That's a great reciever :D We're seriously thinking about picking one up :)

Planet, the VSX 1016 is a great little receiver for the money. :) I have it connected to a JBL CinemaSound 5.1 speaker system and it's awesome when I can crank it with a good movie soundtrack.

I have a modest, yet enjoyable Home Theater setup in my den (Mitsubishi 65" DLP, Dish VIP 622 HD-DVR, Samsung DVD-1080P7,Pioneer VSX-1016 AV Receiver, older Panasonic CD player and a JBL 5.1 speaker setup) and one day hope to be able to have a dedicated Home Theater room with front projection like many of the inspiring examples here at AVS.

Regards,
DF

How does this Samsung compare to the Oppo 981?
No contest, I guess. The 1080P7 is a cheap player and we shouldn't expect top performance from a 89 bucks machine. There's no miracle .

Sergio

That is a legitimate question from the understanding that Oppo is the control model everyone looks to for excellent picture quality and how EVERYTHING else compares.

I would like to know the answer to that as well. I currently have the 971H, but it does not go well with my new LCD and was needing to find a reasonable replacement.

If you're considering a low cost, upconverting 1080P capable DVD player to get you by until you pull the trigger on a HD-DVD or Blu-Ray (or combo player) then you ought to at least consider the Samsung...I'm glad I did.

Regards,

Dallas (Cowboys) fan

Even though I'm a Redskins fan I have to agree with you. Had this player about a week and am very pleased with it. Does a nice job of upconverting for about the same price of a standard player.