god help the outlaw forum if you do purchase the pre pro version and there is a slight issue with it.
you have not even owned the 965 but still cary on ranting and raving how crap it is.
why don't you go over to the outlaw forum and post your words of wisdom over there I am sure a lot of people over here are getting bored of non constructive input

I'm sorry you don't understand how important Bass Management is. It is not a SMALL issue. Oh, and you didn't fix the issue as you think:(

Here is some help:

Subwoofer basics thread
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=748147

and Setting Up Your Home Theater Audio 101...sorry there was no 100 thread:(
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=824554

I hope this helps

Here you go, something better to chew on.

You tease.

How about starting a new thread. The R-972 deserves a a fresh start now that it is here.

All right, B&W700guy and Johnla: time to take it outside. The bartender will gladly supply overproof vodka to clean up the wounds, but the rest of us would rather watch the regularly scheduled programming.

You tease.

How about starting a new thread. The R-972 deserves a a fresh start now that it is here.

I agree, but we should wait until a member has one, and then call it the Official Sherwood Newcastle R-972 Owner's Thread".

Thats cool:). But you do not discuss what issues/faults/flaws the 885 has that you have mentioned several times.


I have mentioned a few of them. Although the HDMI handshaking was not one of them. And like you say, Onkyo is not the only one that has some glitches going on with that, the stuff going on with HDMI handshaking is close to being industry wide problem.


As we discussed before if you bought the 885 at around $500.00 from shoponkyo you can easily get $700.00 for it on A-gon as I did.

So unless you sold the 885 for what you paid for it which would be mighty nice of you the upgrade to the 886 would not cost twice as much. For me it was well worth the upgrade for the additional features of the 886.


I told you before, I'm really not interested in spending anymore money at all than what the 885 cost me. The 886 offers nothing more that I am interested in, yes there are differences, but they also are differences I do not need or care about. Why are you trying so hard to push me over to a 886?

Yes you are correct! My 805 could grille a 3" filet faster than my Weber:eek:. I also saved on my heating bill and lowered propane consumption:D. Onkyo should sell their receivers as alternative heat sources they would clean up.

Some Yamaha AVR's probably put out heat just as bad or even worse. I don't know how the newest ones are, but the first few versions of the RX series was known for being very hot running.

I'm sorry you don't understand how important Bass Management is. It is not a SMALL issue. Oh, and you didn't fix the issue as you think:(

Here is some help:

Subwoofer basics thread
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=748147

and Setting Up Your Home Theater Audio 101...sorry there was no 100 thread:(
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=824554

I hope this helps

sarcasm is the lowest form of humor and you dish it out in spades.
I don't think you comprehend what i am trying to say and are to arrogant to understand. I understand fully that the work around is exactly that with the BM issue not a fix, at the end of the day it was only 3db down and was only noticed at first because it was down by 10db. I am sure there are a lot of receivers out there that have slight BM issues but are never reported or people don't find it such a deal breaker, why because unless your room is fully treated you will have more than BM issues to contend with.
The Sherwood Newcastle 965 is now a discontinued model so please get over the fact that people still enjoy listening to this great sounding piece of electronic gear.

I have mentioned a few of them. Although the HDMI handshaking was not one of them. And like you say, Onkyo is not the only one that has some glitches going on with that, the stuff going on with HDMI handshaking is close to being industry wide problem.

And those issues are.......?

I told you before, I'm really not interested in spending anymore money at all than what the 885 cost me. The 886 offers nothing more that I am interested in, yes there are differences, but they also are differences I do not need or care about. Why are you trying so hard to push me over to a 886?

Yes you did say that you were not interested in the 886 several times. My point which you seem to miss is that upgrading to the 886 if you did chose to is NOT double the cost of the 885. Simple math if you think about it;). I am not trying to push you towards doing anything. If you read my post that is quite clear:).

Bill

Here you go, something better to chew on.

Thanks for posting Jim. Can't wait to read about how it sounds!

It'll be nice to move this Sherwood/Newcastle thread off the Onkyo topic.:rolleyes:

Here's one
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14827414#post14827414

Chuck now has the R-972 unit pictured in my earlier post.

I understand that this thread is 2+ years in the making....


BUT COULD YOU PLEASE TAKE THE OFF TOPIC BICKERING SOMEWHERE ELSE!

:rolleyes:

Here's one
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14827414#post14827414

Chuck now has the R-972 unit pictured in my earlier post.

Thank you. I have read that post before. I'm curious about how the finished unit tests out.

sarcasm is the lowest form of humor and you dish it out in spades.
I don't think you comprehend what i am trying to say and are to arrogant to understand. I understand fully that the work around is exactly that with the BM issue not a fix, at the end of the day it was only 3db down and was only noticed at first because it was down by 10db. I am sure there are a lot of receivers out there that have slight BM issues but are never reported or people don't find it such a deal breaker, why because unless your room is fully treated you will have more than BM issues to contend with.
The Sherwood Newcastle 965 is now a discontinued model so please get over the fact that people still enjoy listening to this great sounding piece of electronic gear.

who is being sarcastic?...I am just trying to get you information that will help you understand the issue. The BM is a big issue...Sorry

Outlaw Audio sent out an email saying they have 997 models in hand. Not only that, but that they are already in beta testing and that the early testing is going well. Those that are beta testing for Outlaw can't even disclose that they're involved. There will still be a 60 day lag for those of you looking at the 997, but Outlaw says the R-972 should be released in June or July. Surprising to me that they're still talking about June.

Why are people going on and on about pooping? I really do not care to know about people's bowel movement issues...even if they are big.

Model 997 Update


One of the keystones of our tenth anniversary year is the forthcoming Model 997 Surround Processor, so we'd be remiss if we didn't bring you up to date on its status.


As was the case with our Model 990, the platform for our new flagship processor is a joint development with our long term friend Sherwood Newcastle. As a result, Sherwood Newcastle will deliver the first expression of this platform, a 7.1 channel receiver. Our Model 997, the exclusive processor on this platform, will follow approximately 60 days later. Sherwood Newcastle will introduce their receiver sometime between late June and mid-July, and once that date is finalized we will update you on the Model 997's final release schedule.


At the present time pilot production samples of the Model 997 are in the hands of a group of internal and external beta testers to stress-test both the product as a whole and the Outlaw-specific differences between our processor and Sherwood's receiver. In a product of this complexity there will undoubtedly be some bugs as it is exposed to a wide range of additional systems and enthusiasts. Beyond that, the beta testers are under a strict NDA that prohibits them from speaking about or even announcing their participation in the process.


The time it takes to resolve any bugs and re-test until we have the final software is the true determinant of the release date, as we won't ship the Model 997 until it is rock-solid. At this point we can say that the initial tests are positive and the Model 997 is well on its way to continuing the tradition of excellence that the Outlaw family of products has come to define. This is particularly true when it comes to the testers' initial responses to the Model 997's implementation of Trinnov EQ, which have exceeded even our own lofty expectations for this incredible technology. Most importantly, the beta testers have raved about how cohesive movie soundtracks become once the groundbreaking algorithms utilized by Trinnov are employed in their systems. One tester went so far as to say that the Trinnov EQ technology "truly separates the men from the boys in the world of home theater auto-equalization."


For those of you who have been patiently following along in the Saloon and as fans of Outlaw Audio on our Facebook page, we encourage you to hang in there just a little bit longer. The end is in sight and the pot of gold at the end of this rainbow promises overwhelming A/V riches!

In the new R-972 thread Jeff from Sherwood said the new release date is Jan 2010 (seriously).

Jan. + Feb. + Mar. = April release date for Outlaw.

In the new R-972 thread Jeff from Sherwood said the new release date is Jan 2010 (seriously).

Jan. + Feb. + Mar. = April release date for Outlaw.Link please?

Robert:

Stop it. We'll be releasing the first R-972's this week. Outlaw's 997 should be available before Labor Day (2009!).

Jeff

It might have been said already, but given the amount of bad info in this thread, I will ask it again:

What is the MSRP and expected street price of the R-972?

Why are people going on and on about pooping? I really do not care to know about people's bowel movement issues...even if they are big.

Who's speaking of pooping? I thought it was Bloody Mary time ;)

Stereo Jeff-

My Sincere Apologies.

Robert

And those issues are.......?

This is the wrong thread for that, most of the issues are well known by many people. They are nothing new.
For $500, I was willing to deal with them.

Yes you did say that you were not interested in the 886 several times.


Yes I told you several times. And yet you keep bringing it up...



My point which you seem to miss is that upgrading to the 886 if you did chose to is NOT double the cost of the 885. Simple math if you think about it;).



And again, you keep missing the fact that I also told you I do not want to spend anything more, not even if it was closer to $200-$300 more and not double.

This is the wrong thread for that, most of the issues are well known by many people. They are nothing new.
For $500, I was willing to deal with them.

I agree this is the wrong thread for talk of 885 issues and I apologize for going off topic. But to be honest you are the one that came into this thread and raised the point of the 885 having issues:rolleyes:. So if on the first time when I asked what those issues were you responded the issue would have not gone any further. Whatever you beef is with B&W700 should have been taken the PM route, not here. I was not trying to be confrontational, I was just curious about the flaws of the prepro I own. Which you brought up but will not answer. Feel free to PM me about this:).

It's no different than you ignoring Onkyo/Integra flaws and saying that they are acceptable!

I was just curious about the flaws of the prepro I own. Which you brought up but will not answer.

Then maybe you should pay more or better attention to the Onkyo 885 and 886 threads, the issues/flaws have been gone over numerous times by more than just a few people. Granted it's more so with the 885 than with the 886, seeing as how Onkyo has not issued any further firmware upgrades/updates for the 885 which likely would have cured/fixed a few, since a little before the 886's arrival. And a few of them seemed to have been fixed in the 886, although it looks like at least one from the 885 also carried over to the 886, in that the analog performance looks like was not improved any at all for the 886. You probably did not have the 885 long enough to notice anything with that one. But if the 886 does all that you need to your satisfaction, why are you looking for something wrong that you do not even notice? I knew what the issues were before getting the 885, but for $500 I decided I would put up with them as they were things that I had a way working around them. But I also determined that $500 was the most I would pay for it. Plus right now for my current use, they both just barely make it on the amount of inputs they have and they do not offer the amount/kind of connectivity I really could use. So for me, the 886 is not worth more than what I paid for the 885.

When is Sherwood Newcastle going to come out with the 885?

That is what this thread is about, right?

When is Sherwood Newcastle going to come out with the 885?

That is what this thread is about, right?

Exactly. Can't you poeple take this outside the thread?:rolleyes:

Jeff,

Does the 972 have enough processing power to handle Dolby Volume?

Though I'm not clear if it does what I want, which is maintain tonal balance at different volume settings.

Do you know if it does that?

Originally Posted by stereojeff
Now we have the world's first with the Trinnov Optimizer... We will soon announce another first.


Pay attention!

"We will soon announce another first" This is a clue. :cool:

Something is cooking ! :D

Jeff, what is it ?

BUYSED55

VuNow is my best guess.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/16/vunows-internet-video-to-tv-streamer-finds-a-home-in-sherwood-r/

Jeff,

Does the 972 have enough processing power to handle Dolby Volume?

Though I'm not clear if it does what I want, which is maintain tonal balance at different volume settings.

Do you know if it does that?

That is exactly what Dolby Volume does as well as THX Loudness and Dynamic Eq. This was covered previously and Jeff replied that no it would not do Dolby Volume but you have three curves that you can tune Trinnov to which means you could set your own one up for a particular volume level.

VuNow is my best guess.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/16/vunows-internet-video-to-tv-streamer-finds-a-home-in-sherwood-r/

That's a pretty big jump considering the R-972 wasn't supposed to have networking ability :D. I bet you're right considering they directly quoted stereojeff. Having VuNow and Trinnov definitely establishes this receiver as different from the rest of pack. We'll have to wait and see if that means better but it seems like that won't be long.

"That is exactly what Dolby Volume does as well as THX Loudness and Dynamic Eq. This was covered previously and Jeff replied that no it would not do Dolby Volume but you have three curves that you can tune Trinnov to which means you could set your own one up for a particular volume level."

Thanks for refreshing my memory.

The article says the upcoming line of receivers will have VuNow. Bet that doesn´t include r-972?
Focus is internet services, but streaming over the home network will be no problem I hope.

The article says the upcoming line of receivers will have VuNow. Bet that doesn´t include r-972?
Focus is internet services, but streaming over the home network will be no problem I hope.

my thought was future receivers, not the 972.

I keep checking avsforum multiple times a day - I thought several people had 972s in hand by now - I am anxiously awaiting reviews!

"you have three curves that you can tune Trinnov to which means you could set your own one up for a particular volume level."

I'm afraid not actually.

Early on there was talk of user-defined response curves, but now it's just user-selectable.

I think at most one of them is something you'd want for loudness compensation.

Actually there's hope; Jeff previously said

"As supplied there are 4 EQ curves: Flat, Natural (+ 2dB shelf from 100 Hz down with a gentle roll-off above 9kHz, Audiophile 1 (bass only for all channels from 300 Hz down) and Audiophile 2 (matches L and R front speakers to all channels). While we do have the ability to upload new target curves, that feature will not be available in the initial units."

Maybe they can generate a couple of target curves for a couple of intermediate SPL, say -6 dB and -12 dB from reference.

"As supplied there are 4 EQ curves: Flat, Natural (+ 2dB shelf from 100 Hz down with a gentle roll-off above 9kHz, Audiophile 1 (bass only for all channels from 300 Hz down) and Audiophile 2 (matches L and R front speakers to all channels). While we do have the ability to upload new target curves, that feature will not be available in the initial units."



The cheapest and easiest way would be for them to support Dolby Volume then. Shame there are no user defined curves any longer as that is a major selling point.

Until they support something akin to Audyssey Dynamic EQ, I haven't the slightest interest in the 972.

Please...that is far from the most important thing WV! LOL

Until they support something akin to Audyssey Dynamic EQ, I haven't the slightest interest in the 972.

You haven't been interested in quite a while ;).

An R-972 has been listed for sale on Audiogon since May 30. Can anyone say how this is possible?

An R-972 has been listed for sale on Audiogon since May 30. Can anyone say how this is possible?

If you try, I'm sure you'll find you can list things you don't own (yet), too.

If you try, I'm sure you'll find you can list things you don't own (yet), too.


LOL! No doubt. But the ad DOES say it was taken in trade.

We need a new advisory for e-tail. Caveat Nettor?

If it's America Home Theater (or something like that),it had the new B&K pieces listed for sale months before their release, and some which haven't even been released yet. Beware

Stay far far away from buying anything through Amsound/Amsound2/America Home Theater/American Theater Systems!


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=894237

Thanks for the link. This is an old story, evidently. But it bears repeating.

In Stereojeff's entry #2019... He said that the r972 would be released in the week of June 19... It has been a while and not much action here...

Has this been released? Any reviews? or is everyone on holidays?

gwb2005,

Check out this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1073860

JP