Looks like HD-DVD got cracked again. They are saying Blu-ray is just as vulnerable. I thought Blu-ray has the BD+ excryption as well?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=786427

~Josh

BD+ isn't being used. It's not ready yet like a lot of Blu-ray tech

Blu-ray also has the Watermark

Blu-ray also has the Watermark

That only helps track production. It doesn't prevent piracry but rather leaves a "paper trail"

There is also the ROM-Mark. But it is only helpful if the protection remains intact.

If they are decrypting the data into the clear, then that would work on BD too.

BD+ isn't being used. It's not ready yet like a lot of Blu-ray tech

And you know this how?

AIUI BD+ is like a safety switch. If a title or player is hacked BD+ will prevent those titles from player. So because it hasn't been needed, it hasn't been used?

Blu-ray also has the Watermark

Right, Rom-mark IIRC. That won't stop rips, but it will stop identical copies of the disc from being made. A rip would play back because the protection would have been defeated but identical copies just copy everything but leaves it encrypted

A little birdy told me.

paidgeek, the Sony insider here, has said that no titles are using BD+ yet.

Oh, and put hmurchison on ignore. It will raise your IQ.

paidgeek, the Sony insider here, has said that no titles are using BD+ yet.

Oh, and put hmurchison on ignore. It will raise your IQ.


I was right! I didn't lie to him. Ok I'm not going to provoke because it's not cool. I just had a little blowback to administer.

Blu-ray and HD DVD both are, and will remain vulnerable to a degree. No matter how sophisticated their copy protection gets, there is always a genius hacker out there who would break it! It is childish delusional to believe that they can create a system that cannot be hacked. Anything created by man can be undone by man. Simple as that.

Keep in mind, AACS has NOT been hacked. A player has been.

So, since this isn't a BD player, BD is still safe. But, the same problem on the BD version could have the same results.

To TRANSFER from HD DVD to BD would require some transcoding. Hardly trivial. The other way is generally impossible (HD DVD can't handle BD's bandwidth).

So, the only possible sync currently for these hacks, IF THEY ARE REAL, is an Xbox 360 or a PC.

Gary

Oh, and put hmurchison on ignore. It will raise your IQ.

you can put him on ignore? cool! how?

you can put him on ignore? cool! how?


Primus67 you know you trolled with the short lived "I bought Crank" thread. Don't give it if you cannot receive it. Zuber loves me and he knows it.

How can there be so much misinformation accrued so quickly in one thread?

BD+ isn't in effect yet, so it's a non-factor at the moment. When it starts getting used, it will be a force; the entire encryption system will be able to be switched up title to tile, production run to production run... to whatever extent that the publishers wish to put forth the effort.

ROM-Mark is in effect, and it essentially prevents pirates from pressing discs, because it's presence is required for pressed discs to playback in a BD device. Pressed discs are the major source of illicit copies in the world of DVD, so whether or not a BD title eventually gets hacked, that layer of protection preventing it from being mass produced will always be there.

I only believe half of everything I read... Seriously... :D

Okay so it is impossible to rip the film from the encryption? The encryption is the film/content? So the two are glued together and can never be seperatted? The actual movie is removed from the encrytion and once it is burned without the encryption the player will not play because there is no key?
So BD+ will not allow any content to play with the ROM mark? Or without the ROM mark? Or will the watermark keep the encryption from decrypting?

I am glad we cleared that up! :D

Keep in mind, AACS has NOT been hacked. A player has been.

So, since this isn't a BD player, BD is still safe. But, the same problem on the BD version could have the same results.
You are correct, it is the player that was compromised (PowerDVD 6.5). The same thing can be done for PowerDVD 6.6, so Blu-Ray is in the same boat. It's not much of an issue since AACS was designed with this in mind, so it is an opportunity to demonstrate the superiority of AACS over DSS.

I LOVE seeing comments like this (from the doom forum):

"In the war of HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray ... it looks like I'm going with HD-DVD."

Perhaps I'll send that to all the studios, especially Universal. :D

Another useless thread from the beat. It just never ends. :eek:

Another useless thread from the beat. It just never ends. :eek:
My God!! You are right:eek:

Hey are we in the HD DVD forum?

Seems like it sometimes...

Looks like HD-DVD got cracked again. They are saying Blu-ray is just as vulnerable. I thought Blu-ray has the BD+ excryption as well?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=786427

~Josh
I think that an even larger concern should be REAL cracks (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=786414) of these Blu-Ray discs.

Another useless thread from the beat. It just never ends. :eek:

Joe,

The point of this thread is to discuss Blu-ray possibilities of being cracked as Blu-ray is similar to HD-DVD in their security measures.

~Josh

I know someone over at the Blu-ray forum that has already downloaded one.

Quote “I don’t know who say that its not possible and we are lying, but I just (Sorry RIAA) downloaded Serenity********1080p***************** censored

Sorry hd dvd!” The file size was approximately 19.60 GB (21,049,899,008 bytes)

Now to only get that onto a BD-RW :D

Pics from the computer (http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/3843/untitledsc4.jpg)

Josh...I don't want to be rude but 90% of your threads or posting is a direct bash of HD-DVD...there is no doubt you have a agenda. How many threads of yours have been closed. Your OCDing over this format war is nuts. I am totally Format Neutral. You need to deal with it...neither format is going anywhere. The AVS forum is going down hill with all this bickering over formats. If your really a HT Aficionado as you state then be happy we have all this HD content at out disposal. You need to see through the blue only...I have...OCDing over a format is not good for your health and family life. ;)

Josh...I don't want to be rude but 90% of your threads or posting is a direct bash of HD-DVD...there is no doubt you have a agenda. How many threads of yours have been closed. Your OCDing over this format war is nuts. I am totally Format Neutral. You need to deal with it...neither format is going anywhere. The AVS forum is going down hill with all this bickering over formats. If your really a HT Aficionado as you state then be happy we have all this HD content at out disposal. You need to see through the blue only...I have...OCDing over a format is not good for your health and family life. ;)

Joe,

I respectfully disagree with your above statements, however you are entitled to your opinions of course. If I were to "bash" HD-DVD I would have started this thread in the HD-DVD section of AVS. I however want to know how this newest cracking of HD-DVD will effect Blu-ray, nothing more, nothing less. Do not read more in to my posts then what is written. There is no hidden agenda.

Yes, I agree I OCD over this format war, but it is only because I want it over as quickly as possible. I personally feel Blu-ray is the quickest means to that goal. I personally hate having to gamble on which product to invest my money, hence the desire to end this format war as quickly as possible.

~Josh

paidgeek, the Sony insider here, has said that no titles are using BD+ yet.

Oh, and put hmurchison on ignore. It will raise your IQ.
Not to mention, lower your BP (j/k)

Guys, this is not a "Crack" but an exploit. The same exploit will indeed work for BluRay as it simply directs the player to output the data in the clear. The same player exists for BD as it does for HD. The problem is that now that this has been done, and Volume Keys are known for specific discs (HD-DVD and BD) it should be fairly straightforward to debug the current player and reverse engineer how to get these keys off of the discs without using the player at all! [Known Encrypted version, Known Result]

Now, once this is done, there will be no player involved which can have its keys revoked. This is the problem with having ANY software player, as software players can be analyzed down to the most minute action (regardless of any techniques to hide what is actually going on).

Watermarking (ROM mark) only stops large scale piracy of the source. However, this is by far not an issue as the MAIN SOURCE of large-scale piracy is still the video camera in the theater PRIOR to DVD release. This is not going to be stopped by any of this.

Another note, the entire added protection of BD makes it difficult to actually transfer this copied content onto a writable BD disc (this is its intention), making it almost a certainty that once ripped from BD, content will be written to rewritable HD-DVDs instead of BDs.

I am quite interested in seeing what the industry response to this "hack" is, as in reality, there is no way to truly combat it, and the more the industry tries, the more ardent the hackers will become.

Joe,

I respectfully disagree with your above statements, however you are entitled to your opinions of course. If I were to "bash" HD-DVD I would have started this thread in the HD-DVD section of AVS. I however want to know how this newest cracking of HD-DVD will effect Blu-ray, nothing more, nothing less. Do not read more in to my posts then what is written. There is no hidden agenda.

Yes, I agree I OCD over this format war, but it is only because I want it over as quickly as possible. I personally feel Blu-ray is the quickest means to that goal. I personally hate having to gamble on which product to invest my money, hence the desire to end this format war as quickly as possible.

~Josh
The only reason why you didn't post it in the HD DVD section is because you knew you'd get in crap for it. People here are intelligent and see through your pretension of wanting to know how this newest "cracking of HD-DVD will effect Blu-ray" nonsense. This is then PROVEN by your own admittance by stating that you "personally hate having to gamble on which product to invest my money" and your desire to "end this format war" by trying to constantly portray HD DVD in the worst light you possibly can. If you think that Blu-ray is immune to key compromises then you are only fooling yourself. AACS will prove itself able to counteract these compromises, and any impact there would be on HD DVD (read: very little) is equally realized with Blu-Ray as well. AACS has NOT been cracked.

The only reason why you didn't post it in the HD DVD section is because you knew you'd get in crap for it. People here are intelligent and see through your pretension of wanting to know how this newest "cracking of HD-DVD will effect Blu-ray" nonsense. This is then PROVEN by your own admittance by stating that you "personally hate having to gamble on which product to invest my money" and your desire to "end this format war" by trying to constantly portray HD DVD in the worst light you possibly can. If you think that Blu-ray is immune to key compromises then you are only fooling yourself. AACS will prove itself able to counteract these compromises, and any impact there would be on HD DVD (read: very little) is equally realized with Blu-Ray as well. AACS has NOT been cracked.

WOW! You are probably the most frequent poster over here in the Blu-ray area. How are enjoying Blu-ray Midnight? What Blu-ray player are you using? What are some of you favorite Blu-ray releases so far?

Being lectured on hidden/underlying messages from you is the most ironic thing that has happened to me in weeks.

Until you are a Blu-ray owner and have a full understanding of Blu-ray, I and many others I am sure ask you to not post in the Blu-ray areas. Looking at your signature pretty much shows how much credibility you have over here.

~Josh

In theory, if serenity EVO files are available, then using a variety of tools to move them over to a BD-RE would be useful to compare PQ of Serenity on HDDVD vs Serenity on BD.

That space battle in Serenity is awesome eye candy and I'd like to watch it on a PS3. But apparently this is illegal, even if I already own a legal copy of Serenity on HD DVD as well as CoR, KK, BB and other good disks.

I already paid for these disks, I think I should be able to do what I want with it, but downloading them would be illegal, uploading them would be much worse than illegal. As for doing whatever you want with legal disks that you paid for...

I'm not even going to debate that. It's bad enough I now have AeonFlux and PotO in both HD & BD.

WOW! You are probably the most frequent poster over here in the Blu-ray area. How are enjoying Blu-ray Midnight? What Blu-ray player are you using? What are some of you favorite Blu-ray releases so far?

Being lectured on hidden/underlying messages from you is the most ironic thing that has happened to me in weeks.

Until you are a Blu-ray owner and have a full understanding of Blu-ray, I and many others I am sure ask you to not post in the Blu-ray areas. Looking at your signature pretty much shows how much credibility you have over here.
Aside from your gross exaggeration, as I have already stated I do not need Blu-ray and I will not buy it. Moreover, I do not need to own Blu-ray to speak about AACS.

Why is this in the BD forum again?

Aside from your gross exaggeration, as I have already stated I do not need Blu-ray and I will not buy it. Moreover, I do not need to own Blu-ray to speak about AACS.

I understand the AACS part, but my god you speak in every thread of everything Blu-ray. I think for credibility purposes you need to at least be an owner of the format.

~Josh

I understand the AACS part, but my god you speak in every thread of everything Blu-ray. I think for credibility purposes you need to at least be an owner of the format.

~Josh
Speak in every thread? Why do I need to own Blu-ray to talk about "cracks"?

Josh...I don't want to be rude but 90% of your threads or posting is a direct bash of HD-DVD...there is no doubt you have a agenda.

Considering 100% of your threads are a direct bash of Blu-ray or the PS3 in one way or another, you don't have room to talk. So, please quit being a hypocrite. :rolleyes:

This crap is really getting old. I'm sick of it.

Cliff