Will the RS-1 be alot better than the Mitsubishi HC5000? I have been on the AVS waiting list for a Mitsubishi HC5000 for a while now, but now I'm reading so much about the RS-1 I'm wondering if I should wait for it. This will be our first projector. Will there be a huge difference in sharpness etc? Just trying to see if it would justify the price increase $900 or more & increased wait time. (of course who knows how much longer it will take the HC5000)

Pardon me, but rather than spraying questions all over the forum re RS-1, what would be wrong with asking this under the RS-1 questions answered section?

Sorry, I didn't mean to offend anyone.

Will the RS-1 be alot better than the Mitsubishi HC5000? I have been on the AVS waiting list for a Mitsubishi HC5000 for a while now, but now I'm reading so much about the RS-1 I'm wondering if I should wait for it. This will be our first projector. Will there be a huge difference in sharpness etc? Just trying to see if it would justify the price increase $900 or more & increased wait time. (of course who knows how much longer it will take the HC5000)


If you're getting tired of waiting for the Mits HC5000 you'll discover it will be another few months before the RS-1 will be available. The Mits is being shipped now and you should be getting yours soon so I would be a little more patient.

Pardon me, but rather than spraying questions all over the forum re RS-1, what would be wrong with asking this under the RS-1 questions answered section?


Lighten up, Wolvernole. :cool:

If you're getting tired of waiting for the Mits HC5000 you'll discover it will be another few months before the RS-1 will be available. The Mits is being shipped now and you should be getting yours soon so I would be a little more patient.

A few months?

From what I gather I'd guess sharpness is comparable, but the RS1 would kill the 5000 in contrast, so it depends how much you value that aspect.

"A few months?"

Probably realistic for someone not on the pre-order list.

MIT just been reviewed in a HT mag in Europe:
no iris native contrast: 800:1
with iris: 4600:1 but very visible brigthness variations
you still can see the screendoor up to 4Meters away
it's quite bright, well around 850ansi without iris but down to 340 when you use it. (while the JVC surfes around 12000:1 with 600ansi and 18000:1 at 800ansi but a bit colder temp)
always risks of color shading, a remaining deffect of the LCD technology

I'm not sure what magazine this unit was reviewed in, but there are several errors in the above post.

First, SDE is virtually invisible at 1.5 times screen width. This observation comes from someone that is probably in the top 1% of SDE sensitivity.

Second, Dynamic Iris setting 1 is virtually invisible; not an issue.

I also love comments that the RS1 "kills" the HC5000.

I have compared the HC5000 with my CRT projector which "kills" the RS1. The difference is minor at best, and is not a compelling reason to either choose or not choose the Mitsubishi.

A few months?


Yeah, want to bet JVC won't be able to ramp up production fast enough to fill orders?

wildfire99: After comparing the two I chose the Mitsu over the Pearl for the following reasons:

1) slightly sharper, more detailed picture
2) lower ambient noise (this really bugs me)
3) $1000 less
4) smaller physical footprint

Before this thread gets into a "whose 1080p projector is better" argument, the Sony projected an excellent picture, certainly beating my old Sony D50Q at less than half the price. Folks who choose the Sony will not be disappointed!

New flash: As of 5 PM Elvis is in the building. Alas, two days of holiday parties are upon me. Sunday night I should be able to start unpacking everything.

Later,
Brian

Is this the same old CRT PJ that you yourself thought the Sony Pearl beat in PQ?

You might want to check out Tryg's CES thread and look at the Sony Pearl/RS1 side by side pics.

I have owned a Ruby, which I believe has a greater DI CR than the Mits, and the JVC should beat the pants off of it.

From what I gather I'd guess sharpness is comparable, but the RS1 would kill the 5000 in contrast, so it depends how much you value that aspect.

"A few months?"

Probably realistic for someone not on the pre-order list.

Or those getting in late on the pre-order list, which would include elovell.

The native CR difference between the 2 is reason enough to choose the RS1 IMO, plus no DI and the issues associated with it. This is an easy decision if you ask me.

You never did take my advice and take a look at the $900 Mits HD1000U, did you??? Like I said before, you'd be VERY happy with the HD1000U... it's that impressive. At $900 and since most places stk it, I think you'd be even more happy. Order one and return it if you're not happy... but I know you'll keep it. ;)

If you're still insisting on the two PJ's in question, I'd get the RS1 w/o question.

FWIW, I ordered a RS1 and never gave the 5000 a thought given the price, specs, and reviews from people who have seen both. I also bought a HD1000U for a bedroom and it's so impressive I now am partly questioning my own desire to spend all that money on a RS1!

"You never did take my advice and take a look at the $900 Mits HD1000U, did you???"

Take it easy wet1 and give your ego a rest. It always makes me laugh when people get offended if someone you dont know doesnt take your advice. If he didnt take, its because he didnt like it! So get over it.

Elovell, you will likely have to wait until both units are out to have direct comparisons. Everything else is just mainly speculation. My speculation is that it will be hard to tell a big difference at all, unless you are a very picky video geek.

"You never did take my advice and take a look at the $900 Mits HD1000U, did you???"

Take it easy wet1 and give your ego a rest. It always makes me laugh when people get offended if someone you dont know doesnt take your advice. If he didnt take, its because he didnt like it! So get over it.

Elovell, you will likely have to wait until both units are out to have direct comparisons. Everything else is just mainly speculation. My speculation is that it will be hard to tell a big difference at all, unless you are a very picky video geek.
Get over it? Ego? Welcome to the forum newbie.

First off, the he is a she. Further more, you can speculate all you like, but many very respected people have already stated how impressive the RS1 is... I have yet to hear that about the HC5000. I'm sure the HC5000 is a very nice PJ, but I certainly don't think it's in the same league as the RS1 for very similar money... if you are indeed a picky videophile.

With that said, SHE has already posted multiple times she is new to this field and is looking for a nice PJ for her and her husband (which I believe is in plumbing or HVAC and is not a techie either if I recall correctly). She came to here asking advice for what she should get for their first PJ. She looked at a Pearl and was not impressed, but she liked another Mits product (RPTV?) so she decided she'd order a HC5000 sight unseen. This is why I made the HD1000U suggestion since it would certain more than meet their needs, it's also a Mits product, it's readily available, it's brighter, is a pretty impressive PJ by anyones standards, and it cost only a fraction of the price. I don't give two sh!ts if she or anyone else takes my advice... it's her money. BUT, it's very sound advice coming from someone who has a lot of first hand experience with a product she has no experience with. I'm yet to hear any non videophile say anything but stellar things about the HD1000U, and even those in the field find it to be very impressive for the price.

Anyway, that's more of the story since you obviously had no history on the OP... but thanks again for your input. :)

Elovell, you will likely have to wait until both units are out to have direct comparisons. Everything else is just mainly speculation. My speculation is that it will be hard to tell a big difference at all, unless you are a very picky video geek.

The difference should be pretty dramatic in dark scenes, even if you arent a video geek .. unless you are blind in one eye .. and wear an eye patch over the other. Check out Tryg's CES thread .. and look at the pearl (which has DI CR) screenshots vs the RS1.

Thanks for the welcome, wet1, or do I have to refer to you as "senior member". I will if that will make you feel better.

I obviously didnt know that you had intimate knowledge of her financial situation and her lack of desire for 1080p.
I am also glad to see that when asked about 2 specific choices, you decided to answer with a 3rd model...... since you have never seen the 2 she asked about in the 1st place. Like I said before, give the ego a rest.

Anyway, maybe there will be a big difference to her between the 2 models she inquired about, maybe not. Thats why I think if she is not in a rush, then wait for them to come out and go view each. Everyones eyes will be different, some may see a big difference, others not as much.

Pardon me, but rather than spraying questions all over the forum re RS-1, what would be wrong with asking this under the RS-1 questions answered section?

I just had to snicker a little at this. Everyone who's been here a while knows that after only about 20 posts, just about every thread here turns into some barely related, off on a big tangent, discussion. Usually, they end up being some back and forth between mostly only two people on something completely unrelated to the original topic. On a thread like the "questions answered" one with several hundred posts, you'll be lucky if it's not discussing wildlife in Antartica by now. :D

I have a hard time personally even looking at such threads because, unless you followed them from the beginning, you waste a lot of time looking for the posts that contain real information, and not just banter. I don't blame them for starting a new thread at all.

Thanks for the welcome, wet1, or do I have to refer to you as "senior member". I will if that will make you feel better.

I obviously didnt know that you had intimate knowledge of her financial situation and her lack of desire for 1080p.
I am also glad to see that when asked about 2 specific choices, you decided to answer with a 3rd model...... since you have never seen the 2 she asked about in the 1st place. Like I said before, give the ego a rest.

Senior member is fine, thank you. It's great having new folks join the forum and start off by causing friction. :rolleyes:

We've already gone through the 720p vs 1080p and price discussion with her, so yes it was public knowledge what she wanted to spend and whether 1080p was a requirement or not. It's not a matter of ego, it's a matter of trying to help the OP find what she is looking for. If that means coming up with a third possible solution and that product will more than satisfy her needs for a fraction of the cost, it certain makes sense to at least consider that option.

Anyway, maybe there will be a big difference to her between the 2 models she inquired about, maybe not. Thats why I think if she is not in a rush, then wait for them to come out and go view each. Everyones eyes will be different, some may see a big difference, others not as much.
Elovell wanted to get the PJ for her husband for Christmas. Obviously that didn't happen. I seem to recall the other option was to wait for her husbands birthday in July... which does leave plenty of time. But only she knows what her time-line is.

She also stated there is nothing around her and she really has to travel to view any PJs (and even so, the selection is thin), so her seeing the 2 PJs in question isn't going to happen in any kind of a timely manor. Even if she could see the items at some store, who knows how they would be setup. The sad reality is sometimes you have to take the word of respected reviewers to make what are hopefully educated buying decisions. :)

Sorry, I didn't mean to start all of the fighting. I did consider the HD1000U, but as we will probably keep this projector until it breaks, I hate not to get a 1080p especially with the high definition DVD etc. I do appreciate everyones advice. I just want to get the best thing.

No need to apologize - can't be responsible for other people not getting along. I'll throw out a vote for the RS1 due to its "inky blacks" and the very positive feedback it is getting from those who have seen it. If your budget allows for it you probably won't regret it!

Those "inky blacks" could come in really handy when watching "March of the Penguins". We wouldn't want those penguins to appear grayish. With their heavily oiled feathers, they should have a very jet black appearance and one should definitely have a projector capable of producing the darkest blacks to accurately portray it.

See, I figure we're over 20 posts now on this thread. I'm determined to get the discussion turned to wildlife in Antartica!

I couldn't believe what penguins have to go through to breed. Makes you wonder how they are still around - or not all single... ;)

I am going to throw my vote to the RS-1 if you can wait for it. I saw it at CEDIA and was stunned at the quality of the image, even up close.

Having said that, I strongly urge you to do everything you can to view your final choices if at all possible. There are distinct visual differences between the various projection technologies. If you can't find a dealer near you, MOST AVS'er will be more that happy to show you their setup if they have the equipment you are considering. Just post a request here and almost certainly someone will answer.

View each of your choices on different material, HD broadcast, bright movies, dark movies, etc. for at least 20-30 minutes. This is a must, especially if you consider DLP technology. If you are lucky, DLP's won't bother you or your husband but if either of you are sensitive to the DLP problem effects, you will be glad you found it out before your purchase.

FWIW, DLP systems give both my wife and I a headache. A feeling of tiredness or eye fatigue will start within about 5 minutes in a dark setting and escalate into full headaches in about 15-20 minutes if we continue to watch a DLP image.

Good luck with your projector quest! :)

good advice maddog.

You should really try to decide if you like DLP's.
I for one think that they look better than lcd's/ lcos.
But some do not. So you really need to make an effort to try and view some models. Read the thread on the sharp 20000 vs. the jvc. I have seen the sharp and it is really impressive and can be found very close to the jvc price.

Maybe you should listen to wet1, as he is a "senior member" of 6 months standing.
He said, "The sad reality is sometimes you have to take the word of respected reviewers to make what are hopefully educated buying decisions. "

Therefore, I suggest you read the review of Greg Rogers in WSR on the sharp 20000.
I dont think reviewers get anymore respected.

Sorry, I didn't mean to start all of the fighting. I did consider the HD1000U, but as we will probably keep this projector until it breaks, I hate not to get a 1080p especially with the high definition DVD etc. I do appreciate everyones advice. I just want to get the best thing.

Don't forget you have to separate the opinions of videophiles who nitpick every detail vs the average viewer who just wants a very nice image on the screen.

Based on the reviews of Projector Central:

http://www.projectorcentral.com/mitsubishi_hc5000.htm
http://www.projectorcentral.com/1080p_shootout.htm

and Projector Reviews:

http://www.projectorreviews.com/Manufacturers/mitsubishi/HC5000BL/index.asp

You can't go wrong with the Mits if you don't want to wait 2 months or more for the JVC.

"I have seen the sharp and it is really impressive and can be found very close to the jvc price."

Are you comparing the street price of the Sharp to the MSRP of the JVC?

"Are you comparing the street price of the Sharp to the MSRP of the JVC?"

Yes I am.
They are amazingly almost the exact same.

Is there a figure I shouldve used instead? Since the jvc isnt even available yet, I couldnt find a street price. But if you know one, please tell.

If I had to go DLP I think I would go with the Sharp. Ive owned a Sharp 10k and Sharp 12k, along with the Ruby, and both of my Sharps were awesome projectors, albeit very dim in high contrast mode (which is what most people who have them who post here watch it at for their excellent black levels.)

If its all going to come down to black levels anyways, why wouldnt you recommend a projector that has a native 15000 to 1 contrast ratio -which will put out superior black levels ( to the compromised details (or near compromised details) levels of blacks of the Sharps that a lot used to view them at) AND high brightness at the SAME TIME that the new JVC projector appears to put out- that doesnt appear to compromise in other areas of PQ as a good possibility?


Most of us havent seen the JVC yet but we understand what a 15000 to 1 native contrast ratio means. Coupled with the pics from Tryg, and the confirmation from other respected sources who are JUST reviewing pre-production units, it becomes more and more a no-brainer to acquire this PJ at the price that it can be found at - which is anywhere from $2000 to $2500 less, street than the Sharp 20k.

Some of us who got in the pre-buy actually get it pretty nice. 8)

On my own, I normall use 15/20% to 30% off of MSRP for street price range .. with 20% being the most I expect from a B&M stores that I do business with .. and the higher end of the range what I can get if I get lucky. 8)

from what i have seen, the JVC will have a better picture but then again it also costs more. Dont get me wrong the Mits does a good job and the 1080p picture is real nice, but assuming timing and money isnt an issue, I think based on the preproduction models I saw, the JVC would be better

"You never did take my advice and take a look at the $900 Mits HD1000U, did you???"

Take it easy wet1 and give your ego a rest. It always makes me laugh when people get offended if someone you dont know doesnt take your advice. If he didnt take, its because he didnt like it! So get over it.

Elovell, you will likely have to wait until both units are out to have direct comparisons. Everything else is just mainly speculation. My speculation is that it will be hard to tell a big difference at all, unless you are a very picky video geek.




You have to admit Dave, that for that being one of your first posts on AVS, if not your first one, that doesnt come across, ar at least start off, as if you are trying to be productive.

It might be just coincidence that you and coldmachine have started to come out and post but it seems to me, at least, that whenever a new/breakthrough PJ comes out that there are naysayers that come out of the woodwork who will sing the praises of old tech equipment and dismiss the new advancements of new technology off as minor, practically unnoticeable ("unless youre a video geek"), improvements.

coldmachine, who I think just started posting this week, was attesting to a demo in NYC that he and 15 others were at where he was able to view the JVC PJ against the, a lot overpowered by the JVC in CR, Mits 5000, a SIM2 PJ, some Sony PJs, etc. Lets just say his review of the JVCs performance relative to the other PJs, and by itself, was not favorable.

You might be surprised, or maybe not, to find out that there doesnt appear to have been a rs1 demo unit floating around in NYC at the time of CES.

Cat,

Don't be a fool like I was and feed the trolls. Just ignore them and hopefully they get filtered out by the mods, or just go away. Until then, the ignore feature works wonders. ;)