Ok, but wasn't it shown from the previews for next week...not an 'evening shot' of the NY auditions?

No, it wasn't during the previews. It was probably an editing mistake.

As an aside, those two chicks weren't that hot. Sheesh, sometimes I wonder if some people ever go outside their homes. Go to any mall or beach (which is apparently where these two spend all their time) and you'll see two females running around that are much, much, much better looking. They were generic and bland to me. :confused:

The girl that worked out every day for a year? Now, she was hot. YOW! The greatest thing about her is that she was showing off her body/looks because she was proud of her hard work and achievement, not vain. :cool:

Okay, let me get this straight, nasty looking workout girl hot, two chicks semokin in bikinis not hot?

Me thinks someone defintely needs to get out of the house, and it win't the ones who think those two girls are hot.

man y'all sure like to overhype women......

Comments/Questions about the NY Auditions:

1.) So who was the girl that an AVSforum regular supposedly knows that made it past the auditions last night? Did we see her?

That would be me. Her audition was not shown, but she was in the very quick montage that the end of the NY show that showed all 25 who made it. I was really hoping to see her audition. I managed to get a screenshot of her but it was a split second cut and she was apparently laughing during it, so it's not a very flattering picture of her.

This is her headshot though:

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2803/jborg1.jpg

I managed to get a screenshot of her but it was a split second cut and she was apparently laughing during it, so it's not a very flattering picture of her.

That's a shame. After your description of her as the girl with the enormous forehead, we were all expecting her to be a real looker. :D

BTW - pic isn't loading.

I edited my post and hosted it myself. I guess the site it was on had too much b/w usage or something.

Now we got someone to root for. If you get her to start posting here, she'd probably generate a bunch of votes if she makes it to the final 12.

Yeah I'm trying to get a hold of her but I haven't spoken to her in a few years. The cell number I had for her is not hers anymore. I e-mailed her too but I'm not sure if she has internet or even checks that account anymore.

BTW, the Olivia Newton John thing you all are talking about was showing some stuff from past years where the contestants sucked it up or something like that. That wasn't from this season at all. Of course, I only know this because it is my best guess, since they didn't have anything saying it was previous years....

Okay, let me get this straight, nasty looking workout girl hot, two chicks semokin in bikinis not hot?
Some of us like our nasty looking workout girls.

Me thinks someone defintely needs to get out of the house, and it win't the ones who think those two girls are hot.
Some of us don't want to get out of the house. Please read previous statement.

BTW, the Olivia Newton John thing you all are talking about was showing some stuff from past years where the contestants sucked it up or something like that. That wasn't from this season at all. Of course, I only know this because it is my best guess, since they didn't have anything saying it was previous years....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15022404/

Sorry you are incorrect. Olivia Newton John helps out in the Los Angeles portion of this seasons show, coming up.

Updated: 10:49 p.m. ET Sept 26, 2006

LOS ANGELES - Olivia Newton-John spent her birthday Tuesday pulling duty as a guest judge for “American Idol” auditions and came away impressed by the singers.

“Some of them are very young and they’re green but you can see their potential. They have a different voice or a different way of presenting themselves,” Newton-John told The Associated Press after listening to hopefuls vie for a spot on Fox’s TV talent show next season.

The pop singer who starred with John Travolta in the movie “Grease” and whose hits include “I Honestly Love You” helped out with the third Los Angeles round of auditions. She joined show judges Simon Cowell, Randy Jackson and Paula Abdul and host Ryan Seacrest.

Other celebrity judges for next season’s auditions include Jewel, who took part in the Minneapolis tryouts, and songwriter Carole Bayer Sager in New York.

Newton-John knows what it’s like to compete. As a teenager living in Australia, she appeared on the TV show “Sing, Sing, Sing” and won a trip to her native England to pursue a music career.

It’s “terrible” having to reject an aspiring singer, she said.

“I always remember what it was like for me and what it would have felt like to be told no. So I do feel for them,” she said. “It’s hard. But sometimes it’s probably kinder for them, because they won’t pursue something they don’t really have the talent for.”

Newton-John, who turned 58 on Tuesday, had a small birthday celebration at the auditions: She was presented with a cake.

“American Idol” is scheduled to return for its sixth season in January.

It's amazing how very little I care about ONJ appearing on American Idol or anywhere at all. :)

BTW, the Olivia Newton John thing you all are talking about was showing some stuff from past years where the contestants sucked it up or something like that. That wasn't from this season at all. Of course, I only know this because it is my best guess, since they didn't have anything saying it was previous years....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15022404/
Sorry you are incorrect. Olivia Newton John helps out in the Los Angeles portion of this seasons show, coming up.


O.K., I guess I made an ASSumption here, my bad. I thought she was on as a guest judge two years ago or so? Oh well. Why in the heck are they showing stuff without saying what the heck it is or when it is from?

i dont know if anybody said this yet, but im making the prediction now that there is NO CHANCE paula abdul makes it through the entire season. NO chance at all. They are obviously editing the he77 out of it now that its taped, and she still looks like a looney

edit: haahah im watching it on dvr and paula just missed the second half of the episode because she had to go to hollywood for a "family obligation". Here we go!!

AI was not broadcast in high-def last night from channel 29-1 in Philly. Was it broadcast in high-def around the country??

AI was in HD last night.

NEWS:


Locally(KOCO) it was reported last night that Paula Bdul is being replaced....potentially by Courtney LOVE!


I am NOT making this up!

Her interviews recently may have done her in since this is being pushed as a family show :rolleyes: and she obviously is on drugs.

NEWS:


Locally it was reported last night that Paula Bdul is being replaced....potentially by Courtney LOVE!


I am NOT making this up!

That would be worse. Bring back Jewel!

It's not on their site but the story ran @ 10...I hope LOVE doesn't become a judge..anybody but her!!!!!!

That's a joke. If they were concerned about their family-friendly image and needed to replace someone they thought might be on drugs - do you honestly believe they'd choose Courtney Love as the replacement?

Did you see her on the Pamela Anderson roast? She made Paula at her worst look stone cold sober.

Since we're talking about Playboy here, the interview with Simon this month is very interesting. :D

He's pretty much exactly who I thought he was.

I agree - the interview was great. It explains a lot of Simon's behavior and, after reading the interview, a lot of what he does makes perfect sense. Now we know why he was shilling for Carrie Underwood so much.

As for the mentally/developmentally challenged folks, I think they have absolutely nothing to lose by going on AI. All their lives, they have been ridiculed and made to feel like an outsider. If they make it to the broadcast, a lot of people see them and they get exposed in the media (Today Show interviews, etc.). Maybe a producer or casting director says "hey, maybe he can play the part of ________ in our movie?" Things go on from there. Worst case scenario: they go back to their pre-AI lives, having been ridiculed one more time. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

It explains a lot of Simon's behavior and, after reading the interview, a lot of what he does makes perfect sense. Now we know why he was shilling for Carrie Underwood so much.

Care to briefly elaborate or post a link?

The Jack Black/Osbourne kid has comedic potential...his voice wasn't all that IMHO.

That's a joke. If they were concerned about their family-friendly image and needed to replace someone they thought might be on drugs - do you honestly believe they'd choose Courtney Love as the replacement?

Did you see her on the Pamela Anderson roast? She made Paula at her worst look stone cold sober.I know...Love's rep is the worst..wouldn't make sense.

The Jack Black/Osbourne kid has comedic potential...his voice wasn't all that IMHO.


I was torn with his voice. I'm not sure why he chose that one. That is a difficult song to sing without instruments backing you up. He did it very close to the way Seal does it, but I've never heard Seal do it with no music. I can see the potential and looking forward to hearing him sing something else. I hope he makes it through HW as he was funny and may bring some laughs during the Judge's comments.

I can't believe sometimes the people they turn down. When I hear them I'll say out loud, wow that was great, then the judges are like, that didn't do anything for me or you need more work. I also hate how they put through some singers that just scream their songs or is hitting a high note like every other note. Its not singing.

IF pauly gets the boot Courtney love will not be her replacement.

It WILL for sure 100% be Victoris Beckham. I don't know why people fail to see the ties here. Simon put the Spice Girls together and part of his Beck's deal to come here is part ownership of the agency that reps AI winners as well as Simon and Posh.

I just heard that it was a US magazine :rolleyes: report...so basically it IS gossip! Can't believe a legit ABC affiliate reported it as fact!

I can't believe sometimes the people they turn down. When I hear them I'll say out loud, wow that was great, then the judges are like, that didn't do anything for me or you need more work. I also hate how they put through some singers that just scream their songs or is hitting a high note like every other note. Its not singing.

I've noticed how they mostly pick the cookie-cutter types that all sound the same. There are a few exceptions, but most are the type that you've heard a million times before. So far, there hasn't been one singer that they let through that sounds unique and looks unique.

I've noticed how they mostly pick the cookie-cutter types that all sound the same. There are a few exceptions, but most are the type that you've heard a million times before. So far, there hasn't been one singer that they let through that sounds unique and looks unique.

I agree, some of the voices moving on I've heard many times before. Boring.

I agree - the interview was great. It explains a lot of Simon's behavior and, after reading the interview, a lot of what he does makes perfect sense. Now we know why he was shilling for Carrie Underwood so much.

As for the mentally/developmentally challenged folks, I think they have absolutely nothing to lose by going on AI. All their lives, they have been ridiculed and made to feel like an outsider. If they make it to the broadcast, a lot of people see them and they get exposed in the media (Today Show interviews, etc.). Maybe a producer or casting director says "hey, maybe he can play the part of ________ in our movie?" Things go on from there. Worst case scenario: they go back to their pre-AI lives, having been ridiculed one more time. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Case in point: From I believe the Seattle show, the two boys, "Bush Baby/Monkey and Fat White Boy" that became friends and rooted for each other, were both on Jimmy Kimmel and got to go to Media Day at Dolphin Stadium. Would they have done any of that without AI?? 'course not.

. So far, there hasn't been one singer that they let through that sounds unique and looks unique.

I'd say the kid with black curly hair looked fairly unique. If he sings well and has a chance to let his self-depricating humor shine, he could garner quite a few votes.

I'd say the kid with black curly hair looked fairly unique. If he sings well and has a chance to let his self-depricating humor shine, he could garner quite a few votes.
His voice wasn't all that unique, but he's funny and is likable. I was thinking this guy would be a good comedian more than a good singer.

IF pauly gets the boot Courtney love will not be her replacement.
Replace Paula with Ozzy Osbourne. His critiques will be just as incoherent but a hundred times more funny.

His voice wasn't all that unique, but he's funny and is likable. I was thinking this guy would be a good comedian more than a good singer.

Did anyone else think "My Gawd, this is Norm from Cheers' illegitimate love child"? Spittin' image, I say... :)

Did anyone else think "My Gawd, this is Norm from Cheers' illegitimate love child"? Spittin' image, I say... :)

Now THERE'S an image I didn't need in my head :eek:

It might be fun to see C. Love pick up a microphone and start beating the contestant with it. :p

Good to see Olivia's up and around.

ECCENTRIC might be the funniest audition ever!

Still Sundance's to lose...

They sure showed very few auditions of people who got through tonight.

They sure showed very few auditions of people who got through tonight.

You've got that right. I think next Wednesday is going to be a show geared around only GOOD singers that made it through. I can take a 'little' of the "no talented" singers to add some flavor to the show, but let's face it, this is a competition to find the BEST singer, so during auditions, it would be nice if they focused on that.......at least show the good ones 70% of the time. (I'm out of breath after that run-on sentence.)

that girl who was begging to get through... well her mom was hot..... MILF CITY

that girl who was begging to get through... well her mom was hot..... MILF CITY

Agreed!!! :) Even Simon said she was "Foxy" :D

There is NO way they are considering Courtney Love for the show. Courtney Love makes Paula Abdul look like Miss Manners. Why they would replace one "possible" drunk with a confirmed "falling down drunk many times on public television" completely baffles me. I agree that Victoria Beckham is the likely candidate.

Point in case with Courtney Love...the Madonna interview she crashed and drunkenly fell off the stool.

My local station also had something about Courtney in a news snippet. Didn't stay up to watch though.

I think they were saying "What major role could Courtney Love play in American Idol soon?"

Good to see Olivia's up and around.
It was really cute when she and Paula sighed in unison after the backup singer finished that Willy Nelson song. Too bad the freak factor was at maximum for these auditions.

I have to quote one of the funniest things I've ever read in a Television Without Pity recap. (http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/articles/content/a12771/)

Frank immediately jumps into another song, "Unchain My Heart," which is always my signal to check out of a given audition. That's like getting down on one knee, proposing to your girlfriend, and then when she rejects you, switching knees and asking again.

Good to see Olivia's up and around.

Yes, but talk about plastic surgery nightmares.... poor Olivia. The face lift(s) have sort of left her looking like she's in a state of permanent bemusement (or maybe it's surprise; hard to tell). And it looks like she's got the Lisa Renna bee-sting lips as well. <sigh> Whatever happened to aging gracefully? She was a doll when she was young; she would still be an attractive woman without all that stuff.

IF pauly gets the boot Courtney love will not be her replacement.

It WILL for sure 100% be Victoris Beckham. I don't know why people fail to see the ties here. Simon put the Spice Girls together and part of his Beck's deal to come here is part ownership of the agency that reps AI winners as well as Simon and Posh.

Just to clarify, its Simon FULLER, not Simon Cowell who has the relationship with the Beckhams, was the first manager of the Spice Girls, and owns 19 Entertainment (the company that owns the Idol franchise).

Plastered Abdul or Monkey-Face Spice...do we really need another chick with far too many plastic alterations on AI? :confused:

I'd rather have them sign a natural beauty like Jewel and tell her to just be honest, even if means hurting someone's feelings a bit. That's how auditions typically are in the real world.

THE NEXT AMERICAN IDOL IS...http://youtube.com/watch?v=bfZ_gXCHaMw

sorry but her's the panther : http://youtube.com/watch?v=ux9Ll0s3BAM

For those interested. I spoke with my friend today finally. She said she made the top 200 of AI and was flown out to LA. They've already gotten them down to the top 24 and unfortunately she didn't make the cut. I wonder if they show anything other than the top 24?

They'll show quite a few of the non-24 during the weed out process. You've got a decent chance of hearing her solo during the 3 or 4-at-a-time auditions. (or if she's a real beyotch and causes a lot of back stage drama ;) )

Pretty funny when the one girl told Randy to "get yo fat a$$ back in there" and he heard her! :D :D

How about the guy with the grillwork who's girlfriend was hittin on Simon? Can't make this stuff up.... LA is a freakshow!

best sign:

Jasmine, ARE next American Idol!

best sign:

Jasmine ARE next American Idol!

Followed by the best quote...Simon should just go back to British and just judge those British people.

:)

gotta love the kids who are clueless on Randy Jackson,"WHO R U??You were in the background!!"

Man, I thought the girl last night with the nice but "forgettable" voice in the black outfit was very nice looking! I was shocked when after she sang, Simon was thinking about not letting her through even though she had a nice voice and this is a singing competition. Even if he thinks she is "forgettable", she can sing and should be allowed to go on and prove herself at the next level. Randy seemed to be thinking along the same lines, which I was shocked at, since the initial tryouts are to see who can sing, not determine the winner....

I am glad they gave her that chance.

I can't believe some of the clothes people wear to audition for this, from crazy to ultra sexy. Last night that lady in the black outfit. Could it of been any more tighter on her but? It was like a thong. Hot lady, but really, is that what you want to wear for a life changing audition. I know why they do it, but it seems like it is either ultra sexy, or ultra crazy clothes.

(*Actually I was hoping this would spark someone to post a picture of it.*) :D

gotta love the kids who are clueless on Randy Jackson,"WHO R U??You were in the background!!"

I'm a huge music fan and NEVER heard of Randy Jackson until American Idol. Granted, I've known about him for the last few years and NOW know what he has done, but before that, never heard of him. Honestly, don't care. I understand what she was saying. He wasn't a front performer like the American Idol winners...he WAS in the background (wasn't he? maybe not)

A buddy was telling me he listened to an interview with Randy yesterday and he was saying he is coming out with a solo album. What is on that album we don't know, but it's coming out.

I can't believe some of the clothes people wear to audition for this, from crazy to ultra sexy. Last night that lady in the black outfit. Could it of been any more tighter on her but? It was like a thong. Hot lady, but really, is that what you want to wear for a life changing audition. I know why they do it, but it seems like it is either ultra sexy, or ultra crazy clothes.

(*Actually I was hoping this would spark someone to post a picture of it.*) :D

William, I didn't think it was all that tight, but I was only watching on SD, so I didn't get full details. I just thought it looked really good and when they showed her singing to the judges so you could see her back and the judges, it went low in the back with a V shape and her hair kinda did the same. I liked that!

Somebody, post a few images please!

He toured with Journey. I would shove ice picks in my ears if I had to do that. It would be my own personal hell, prescibed to me by the dark angel himself. *shudder*

best sign:

Jasmine, ARE next American Idol!

We got a kick out of that, too. It's nice when morons carry around signs so that you know to avoid them. ;)

Hucked on fonix werked fore mee!!!

Randy seemed to be thinking along the same lines, which I was shocked at, since the initial tryouts are to see who can sing, not determine the winner....

That's the problem with this show. It's really not a singing competition although they make it appear like it is at the very beginning. You could have the best singing voice in the world, yet if you don't have the stereotypical looks and a fun personality to go with it you can forget about winning it.

I don't know how many times I've heard Simon say that it's a "singing competition" during the auditions and pretty much all the way up to the finals. My problem is that a lot of the people they have let through just aren't that great at singing. Yes, some need coaching, but they let some people go because even though the had a good voice and could sing, they supposedly "weren't ready" for it yet. WTF?

I can't believe some of the clothes people wear to audition for this, from crazy to ultra sexy. Last night that lady in the black outfit. Could it of been any more tighter on her but? It was like a thong. Hot lady, but really, is that what you want to wear for a life changing audition. I know why they do it, but it seems like it is either ultra sexy, or ultra crazy clothes.

(*Actually I was hoping this would spark someone to post a picture of it.*) :D


I loced how the judges had her come up to the table and shake there hands and talk to tthem up close. Just to watch her turn around and walk back. Funny stuff.

I'm a huge music fan and NEVER heard of Randy Jackson until American Idol. Granted, I've known about him for the last few years and NOW know what he has done, but before that, never heard of him. Honestly, don't care. I understand what she was saying. He wasn't a front performer like the American Idol winners...he WAS in the background (wasn't he? maybe not)


I am pretty sure Randy also does production for some top performers.

Christina Agulera and Alica Keys some to mind. I could be worng but writing and priducing is his main thing not performing.

I also love it when people rip on Simon for being a nobody.

William, I didn't think it was all that tight, but I was only watching on SD, so I didn't get full details. I just thought it looked really good and when they showed her singing to the judges so you could see her back and the judges, it went low in the back with a V shape and her hair kinda did the same. I liked that!

Somebody, post a few images please!

I don't know how to politely say this, but it went up her crack and looked like a thong but it was stretch pants. Not necessarily tight on her, but in the but area, very noticeable. Very nice. (Am I going to hell now?) :D

I am pretty sure Randy also does production for some top performers.

Christina Agulera and Alica Keys some to mind. I could be worng but writing and priducing is his main thing not performing.

I also love it when people rip on Simon for being a nobody.

He did say something to that girl like "Look at the charts" He must be referring to his work with current stars.

That's the problem with this show. It's really not a singing competition although they make it appear like it is at the very beginning. You could have the best singing voice in the world, yet if you don't have the stereotypical looks and a fun personality to go with it you can forget about winning it.

I don't know how many times I've heard Simon say that it's a "singing competition" during the auditions and pretty much all the way up to the finals. My problem is that a lot of the people they have let through just aren't that great at singing. Yes, some need coaching, but they let some people go because even though the had a good voice and could sing, they supposedly "weren't ready" for it yet. WTF?

The problem is you may sound good on their own, but in a night when ten other singers are performers you have to stand out. This is the reason it is important for the contestant to have personality and charisma. Every year the judges let a "pretty" girl with an average voice go through. Most of them only last a week or two. Only one has made it to the final three and that was the first year of the competition.

I just thought it looked really good and when they showed her singing to the judges so you could see her back and the judges, it went low in the back with a V shape and her hair kinda did the same. I liked that!

Somebody, post a few images please!I think this is what you're after:

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The problem is you may sound good on their own, but in a night when ten other singers are performers you have to stand out. This is the reason it is important for the contestant to have personality and charisma. Every year the judges let a "pretty" girl with an average voice go through. Most of them only last a week or two. Only one has made it to the final three and that was the first year of the competition.

I agree you need more than just a good singing voice, but then don't label it a "singing competition" as Simon does repeatedly.

Taylor Hicks was a pretty good example of a guy who could sing okay, but also had a lot of charisma and soulfulness. I felt Katherine McPhee was the better singer of the two in this so-called "singing competiton." Not that it really matters.

the 16 year old got wayyyy too much praise from Simon...she won't even make the final 12 IMHO. :rolleyes:

best sign:

Jasmine, ARE next American Idol!Best sign & worst tight pants:

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Hey, it's JasmineS ARE :-D

Best sign & worst tight pants:

She was a total embarrassment and had a terrible attitude. FUGLY comes to mind now that I see those video caps. :eek:

This unaltered capture (http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5638/americanidolsimonfingerek7.jpg) was taken from Simon's evaluation of Jasmine. Although it's a brief moment I'm surprised Fox let this get through. Does Kevin Martin have a Tivo?

This unaltered capture (http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5638/americanidolsimonfingerek7.jpg) was taken from Simon's evaluation Jasmine. Although it's a brief moment I'm surprised Fox let this get through. Does Kevin Martin have a Tivo?
LMFAO!

Didn't Jasmines, I mean Jasmine's family say Simon was from France "or whereever he's from" until Ryan corrected them?

Thanks RSF_LA, exactly what I was thinking of. She also did a little twirl or something before going in to sing, in front of the interview wall or whatever you want to call it, that showed off her figure. Nice.

Also love the sign for Jasmine!

This unaltered capture (http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5638/americanidolsimonfingerek7.jpg) was taken from Simon's evaluation Jasmine. Although it's a brief moment I'm surprised Fox let this get through. Does Kevin Martin have a Tivo?

Too funny. He does tend to use all his fingers and just happend to leave that one up a little longer in whatever he was doing!

BTW, what was up with Simon's little "self-breast-exam"? I think it was when they brought the one girl back and he leaned back in his chair to think about what to say and was doing this little massage thing to himself. Seemed really strange that he did that. Anyone else catch that? My wife looked at me and said "What the f--- is Simon doing?"

Didn't Jasmines, I mean Jasmine's family say Simon was from France "or whereever he's from" until Ryan corrected them?
Yes. Ryan corrected them and told them Simon is British and then they said "well, he should go back to British then." :rolleyes: Some ignorant people for sure.

Also love the sign for Jasmine!
Jasmines our are hero! Revoke Simon's visa so he'll stop stealing American jobs! Make Randy go back to where he belongs -- playing bass for white rock bands! Give Paula more of whatever she was on last night! ;)

He did say something to that girl like "Look at the charts" He must be referring to his work with current stars.

MY point was that I see THEIR point when they say "What do you do". Sorry, working WITH the stars doesn't put you in the eyes of any fans.

I have two cousins that are professional musicians. One is a Lead Guitarist for Meat Loaf and labeled as one of the best guitarists that lives in Nashville at the moment, but I'm sure nobody on here has heard of him. His name is Randy Flowers. Google Him. Now that I think of it, that's the only way I knew what all Randy Jackson had done....I googled him. My other cousin, Randy Flower's brother is the Bass Player and backup vocalist for Keith Urban who is the number 1 Country artist right now....but do any of you know who Jerry Flowers is? Well, he's worked with The Dixie Chicks, him and Keith Urban were in a band under Capitol Records called The Ranch, and now he plays with Keith. He's also played for The Counting Crows and was offered a full time gig last year as their bass player, but turned it down. He was on One of the movie award shows last year (or year before) playing with Counting Crowes performing their song from Shrek. Jerry is now producing as well. Just produced a song for Jodie Masina (no clue how to spell her name).

I only say all this because unless I would have LISTENED to Randy Jackson say what he's done over the AI shows and googled him online, I wouldn't have known who he was either because he IS in the background as the girl pointed out last night. But, I take offense to that as it's those in the background that make it ALL happen. Most of the performers (ok...maybe not most, but many) wouldn't be ANYTHING without the background writers, producers, directors, etc.

BTW, what was up with Simon's little "self-breast-exam"? I think it was when they brought the one girl back and he leaned back in his chair to think about what to say and was doing this little massage thing to himself. Seemed really strange that he did that. Anyone else catch that? My wife looked at me and said "What the f--- is Simon doing?"
Simon seems to be enjoying his self exam:

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Simon seems to be enjoying his self exam:

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LOL. That scene freaked me out!!!!!!!!

ARE is not the same as OUR! :) Absolutely priceless. We laughed and laughed, along with the "British" bit. Waaaaaaay more entertaining than the stupid and overplayed "other door" joke. :( They need to let that thing go for good.

Simon seems to be enjoying his self exam:
To use one of his own tasteless comments, Simon is quite a handful. He acted like he didn't know he was on television last night. He's getting more like Paula every week.

best sign:

Jasmine, ARE next American Idol!

OK I thought the same thing, and not only took a picture of that pretty bad spelling on the sign, but just HAD to take a picture of Jasmines huge camel toe. If you watch Simons face when she walked in, he just about burst out laughing:

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That was quite disturbing. It was no wonder they were laughing before she even started to sing.

klouseau, I saw that too, but was not going to bring it up... :)

I am 100% positive Simon noticed the camel toe, just like his jaw hit the floor when black clad singer turned her booty to him.

but just HAD to take a picture of Jasmines huge camel toe. If you watch Simons face when she walked in, he just about burst out laughing:


Curse you, high definition!

You guys are awful. That said, I'm not the slimmest man, but I still know what does not accentuate my best features.

nm

Hey not all of us are guys ya know! I think Jasmin knew how she looked because when she walked in she conveniently put her hands in front of her CT ;)

Hey not all of us are guys ya know! I think Jasmin knew how she looked because when she walked in she conveniently put her hands in front of her CT ;)

If she knew it was there, why didn't she wear something else to go on National TV? :eek:

I saw that scary CT but kept my mouth shut to my wife. Then I remembered I'd recorded the show onto my hard drive and considered posting caps, but took the high road. Now what do I find? Another thread hijacked by the monstrous red CT!!!

Why do the judges constantly look to their right and stare over there? Paula does it a lot. Like they are looking at someone. Do they have a coach over there or something that tells them how to react?

They look to the right because that's where the cameras are and some of the production staff. I would assume the director is over there, and they probably send them cues, etc.

I think they film all of those "looks" separately in various moods and expressions and then just edit them in whenever the producers feel it gives the necessary effect they want.

They look off to the side to give them a chance to hear the voice without the body. I do it at home at times as well, I just close my eyes.

Paula looks off to the side because that's where the beer cart is. (Or wine, or tequila, or morphine, or...)

Randy looks off to the side to see if he can find his newest catch phrase. ("Good lookin' out, dawg.")

Simon looks off to the side because that's where the mirror is. (Or it's where the spare black t-shirts are.)

Paula looks off to the side because that's where the beer cart is. (Or wine, or tequila, or morphine, or...)

Randy looks off to the side to see if he can find his newest catch phrase. ("Good lookin' out, dawg.")

Simon looks off to the side because that's where the mirror is. (Or it's where the spare black t-shirts are.)

That is freaking hilarous. :D

good ridance to the snooty toot best friend! Y'all keep overexagerating the other one....

Not that many surprises tonight IMHO. Only one was the 16 year old girl's total collapse.



Sundance and EBony are still my top 2.

did anyone notice that the Robyn Troup girl who was in Sundance's group is the same girl that sang on the Grammys Sunday night with Justin Timberlake? personally, i thought she was great on the Grammys...looks like the AI judges got that one wrong :).

good ridance to the snooty toot best friend! Y'all keep overexagerating the other one....

Not that many surprises tonight IMHO. Only one was the 16 year old girl's total collapse.

Yeah, the one who denied flirting was busted on camera. She was snooty, and I'm glad to see her go. Her brunette friend is a hottie. I'm just saying... :p

Is the 16-year old that you mentioned the blond? Man, I hated to see her go. I really thought she had one of the better voices, but she forgot the words! Hopefully, she will try again next year.

Yeah, I was kind of hoping for her to stick around this year so I could not vote for her. An entertaining train wreck though.

This episode was way too chopped up.

did anyone notice that the Robyn Troup girl who was in Sundance's group is the same girl that sang on the Grammys Sunday night with Justin Timberlake? personally, i thought she was great on the Grammys...looks like the AI judges got that one wrong :).

Great pickup. I couldn't remember why I recognized the name.

Yes, she was good on the Grammy's.

I was hoping to see the Castro looking guy from Memphis make it through. Doesn't seem like there are any "rockers" this year. I guess the chubby mop-head kid is the only interesting one on the male side.

I was stunned with that kid that kept calling home to his mom. It sounds like there are serious issues in his household. He said he never hugs his mom and that he finally fely loved. Then when he got eliminated, his mother almost sounded like she was mad at him, her voice and tone was definitely upset. Then it sounded like she hung up on him. Poor kid.

That would be me. Her audition was not shown, but she was in the very quick montage that the end of the NY show that showed all 25 who made it. I was really hoping to see her audition. I managed to get a screenshot of her but it was a split second cut and she was apparently laughing during it, so it's not a very flattering picture of her.

This is her headshot though:

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So Striker...did your friend here make it through? She kinda looks like the hot brunette that sang with Baily Brown? I am so glad that the best friend "flirter" got eliminated. Especially after she said she was not a flirt and got busted. I felt bad for Baily Brown, but hey, if you forget your words, its your own fault.

I am so glad the "Kelly Pickler" copy cat got eliminated. You might have seen her a few weeks ago. She talked exactly like Kelly Pickler and was trying to act stupid like her too. Another phony trying to act cute to get by.

I was shocked though that the gangly `Phoebe' from Friends Birmingham girl and the `new' daddy guy advanced now that I think about it.

Baily Brown gone!!!!!!!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She was one of my favorites. You could tell as soon as she found herself in the "Best Friend" Group, that there would be trouble. I think under different circumstances, she would have been better. But, she didn't know the words to the song. I'm soooooo sad. Me like her.

Bailey shouldn't have gone to bed early. You can be in a bad group and make it through if you know the words. I hate it too for her, but she only sang about four words.

Peace,

DM

I was stunned with that kid that kept calling home to his mom. It sounds like there are serious issues in his household. He said he never hugs his mom and that he finally fely loved. Then when he got eliminated, his mother almost sounded like she was mad at him, her voice and tone was definitely upset. Then it sounded like she hung up on him. Poor kid.

Maybe his mom is having issues with him because he puts off a certain aura? He seems like he may be gay or is at least a little on the feminine side and maybe that's too much for her to deal with? A lot of families have issues they need to deal with and this is definatly one of them, hopefully the mom sees this in last nights episode and tries to make an effort to change that.

I think this is what you're after:

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Anybody know if she made it through?

I never even saw Haley last night, so I don't know.

Anybody know if she made it through?

I saw her in one of the rooms that made it. So, she's definitely in the top 24! She is very attractive and can sing really well.

I'm definitely watching it again on my DVR.

By the way, there were more than 24 people in the 2 rooms that made it last night. They cut them down to 24 tonight.

For those that missed Haley's first audition:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro2oOQNTiCQ

For those that missed Haley's first audition:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro2oOQNTiCQ

I love Simons face when she turns around to walk back to the dance floor. :eek:

Did you guys see these auditions? Holy Cow ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uigPl1IrO2I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ56m5jybsQ

I'm definitely watching it again on my DVR.

By the way, there were more than 24 people in the 2 rooms that made it last night. They cut them down to 24 tonight.

Yeah, something like 32 people? But Haley has a very good chance at making it to the top 24.

Well - after the first 2 weeks of auditions, Jory Steinberg (last night) is by far my favorite. She could be this year's version of Katharine.

WOW - I was shocked that they cut my favorite in the first 5 minutes of the show last night. She was the cute one with the curly dark hair in the very first group. I thought she sang very well (and so did she), but they sent the entire group packing.

I was shocked that the whole first womens group went home. I thoght two of them were through. Oh well.

I was shocked that the whole first womens group went home. I thoght two of them were through. Oh well.

I think they KNEW they were doing this before any of them sang. It was probably to show the contestants they have play their A game to go forward. I bet looking back, they wish they hadn't done that as a couple of them were A+ compared to several that made it through. I can't remember all of them in the first group, but the long curly haired girl was one of my top picks when I heard her audition AND after I heard her sing last night.

What about the young NYer that's bringing the AI title home to NY this year? The trained Opra singer. I didn't see her. Did she make it?

What about the young NYer that's bringing the AI title home to NY this year? The trained Opra singer. I didn't see her. Did she make it?
Yeah, that was Rachel Zevida. No sign of her last night and we would have noticed her with her braces.

what happened to the shakira girl?

what happened to the shakira girl?


She was the only girl in her group to get BOOTED last night. She couldn't learn her harmony parts correctly, and it showed.

As I was listening to some of the groups, the harmonies just sucked. I told my wife that was to be expected as these kids were practicing for the first time together, late in the night, so we can't expect them to harmonize well. As soon as I gave my insightful speach, up came Curly Haired boy with the rest of the guys, including Mr. Beatbox. WOW!!!!!!! I was totally amazed how well they sounded together after one night of practice. They should forget about AI and form a group and perform in Vegas or somewhere...heheheh.

The curly headed kids name is Chris Sligh and I think he is amazing. Funny, adorable and can sing. That kids got a career ahead of him in Hollywood.

Here's Chris and his band...they are awesome!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ps3b_FTTCo

As soon as I gave my insightful speach, up came Curly Haired boy with the rest of the guys, including Mr. Beatbox. WOW!!!!!!! I was totally amazed how well they sounded together after one night of practice.
For the first time in twenty five years I turned up the volume during a Bee Gees song. And listened to it two more times. The Beatbox guy giving the end of a light ballad a hip-hop rhythm was really creative, totally unexpected, and the whole group did it perfectly. Every once in a while this show will surprise me.

For the first time in twenty five years I turned up the volume during a Bee Gees song. And listened to it two more times. The Beatbox guy giving the end of a light ballad a hip-hop rhythm was really creative, totally unexpected, and the whole group did it perfectly. Every once in a while this show will surprise me.

Cool, glad I wasn't the only one, I was afraid my man-card would be revoked.

did anyone notice that the Robyn Troup girl who was in Sundance's group is the same girl that sang on the Grammys Sunday night with Justin Timberlake? personally, i thought she was great on the Grammys...looks like the AI judges got that one wrong :).

I hated her group audition with Sundance. She had crazy eyes.

It's still early, but aside from the infectious, unique, and talented Sligh, I simply don't care about anyone that's left at all...other than the fact that I hate the absolute high and mighty, holier-than-thou, bitchy attitude of the girl whose best friend got booted because she was more interested in flirting than practicing. Decent (not great) face, good (not great) body, but a hideously grotesque person on the inside. I can't wait to see that ugly skank leave. Hopefully, it will be tonight. If not, she'll soon crack under pressure without the other half of the "snob patrol" for support.

See now I thought the high and mighty girl was the best friend that got booted. The brunette best friend that stayed did not seem bitchy or stuck up to me at all.

Thats what i thought as well.....the friend is semokin hot.

The friend that got kicked off was a bigger bee-yotch than the one that stayed, but that's like saying Paris Hilton is a bigger media-whore than Lindsay Lohan...it doesn't matter since they both fit the bill.

Cool, glad I wasn't the only one, I was afraid my man-card would be revoked.

Nope - that was definitely entertaining. Done poorly, it could have backfired - but done well (as it was), it had the potential of pushing one or two mediocre performers into the next round. Although from what we saw, it appeared all were good enough to advance anyway.

I was disappointed that we did not get to hear anything from the Malakar siblings yesterday. Sure we saw them at the end because the brother advanced while the sister did not, but it would have been nice to hear either of them, especially that brother who was pegged by Entertainment Weekly as an early frontrunner to win the whole thing.

As I was watching, I got almost all the singers wrong as to who will move on and who won't. Anyone else?

sundance head sounds terrible. i can't believe he made it this far. i wonder if the person a few pages ago who was saying he has the best american idol voice EVER is still singing that tune?

i hate to say i told you so, but i repeat: there's NO WAY you can judge that much from a person in a 20-30 second clip of one song...

Thousands of auditions across the country and this is our top 24? How pathetic.

I don't think Sundance Head made many fans with his comments.

I predict a girl will win this time. Most of the guys are lame.

What a joke. Skankerella beats out Marisa for the final spot, but didn't remember her words and sucked ass all week in Hollywood??? Isn't remembering the words the BIGGEST thing they stress again, and again, and again???

Early edge has to go to Sligh. The girls during Hollywood week were completely forgettable.

I think Marisa Rhodes was MUCH better and was quite shocked that they let Antonella Barba through. This chick may be good looking, but her singing doesn't have any SOUL to it. She'll be a goner in no time.

I'm glad Haley Scarnato made it. She's got a lot of class and has a great voice. Keep an eye on her.

Lakeesha Jones and Chris Sligh should make it to the top 12. Both of them are excellent singers.

sundance head sounds terrible. i can't believe he made it this far. i wonder if the person a few pages ago who was saying he has the best american idol voice EVER is still singing that tune?
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i hate to say i told you so, but i repeat: there's NO WAY you can judge that much from a person in a 20-30 second clip of one song...
I said it based on his audition.

He isn't good @ doing pop. He looks like Bob Carlisle but can't sing like Bob Carlisle!


WHAT HAPPENED to the Ebony girl??(The black car hop girl) Did she completely miss Hollywood? She by far had the best female voice!
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The `Lakisha' mom is a much better vocal version of Fantasia..she is a great singer but willl probably have the same voter issues as did Mandisa last season! :mad:



TWO who absolutely did not deservce to make it:



THe Sheryl Crowe wannabe (in the red dress) reminded me somewhat of a weaker version of the raspy Mellisa girl from last season! :mad:


Two:The dad who missed his baby's birth....WHAT?!?!?




TWO who did:



the two who were paired who didn't make it!

sundance head sounds terrible. i can't believe he made it this far. i wonder if the person a few pages ago who was saying he has the best american idol voice EVER is still singing that tune?

i hate to say i told you so, but i repeat: there's NO WAY you can judge that much from a person in a 20-30 second clip of one song...

No Way you can truly judge someone singing a song with a group of strangers either. If they sound horrible, it's hard for you to stay in key.

Just wait for next week and I think we can make logical remarks about each of the singers. I am still pulling for Sundance or Chris Sligh. Most the girls all sound the same, so I don't care much for any of them. That dude that was with Sundance, who got voted off, he was an arrogant ass. I like what Sundance said "If I make it big, you can be my body guard"...LOL...priceless.

I know plenty of peeps who still aren't happy about Castro's departure..I haven''t seen the dude who auditioned in a leather jacket either...oh well!

that last girl that got in yesterday is hot.... 3 hot girls in the competition and thats it....

overall I still think last year had better talent...can't see the top 12 coming close to last year's.

2 or 3 really good guys, 3 girls (NOPE not the `lookers'!)!

I know it is kind of hard to completely judge a singer when you haven't heard them sing a full song, but man, the talent this year pales in comparison to last year or even years before. The beginning of studio singing and phone judging should be part singing competition and part comedy hour next week. Some of these individuals (yes, I am talking about you Sundance/Jason) are dreadful singers.

What a joke. Skankerella beats out Marisa for the final spot, but didn't remember her words and sucked ass all week in Hollywood??? Isn't remembering the words the BIGGEST thing they stress again, and again, and again???



Man, you sure seem to have a hard-on for putting that girl down. Did a girl that looked like her turn you down at one time? :D

She's far from a skank, that's for sure. But speaking of, the bootcamp skank that you liked got kicked out as soon as she got to Hollywood. Thank heavens. ;)

No Way you can truly judge someone singing a song with a group of strangers either. If they sound horrible, it's hard for you to stay in key.

Just wait for next week and I think we can make logical remarks about each of the singers. I am still pulling for Sundance or Chris Sligh. Most the girls all sound the same, so I don't care much for any of them. That dude that was with Sundance, who got voted off, he was an arrogant ass. I like what Sundance said "If I make it big, you can be my body guard"...LOL...priceless.

Yep, that was hilarious. I was glad to see mr cocky get his comeuppance. :)

I honestly think they were editing the performance highlights to catch us off guard based on their decisions. There were 3 or 4 where they proceeded to show bad performances to make you think they were going to reject them, only to say that overused line "Unfortunately....you're going to have to see more of us...you're through."

Baily was the only contestant that sparked ANY interest for me. I was quite bummed when she was eliminated on Tuesday night. Although she DID freeze up and probably deserved to not make it any furthur, I thought she had that 'X' factor they're always talking about and deserved to be put through in spite of her momentary lapse.

Because they've done such a piss-poor job of letting us get to know the now top 24 contestants so far, I have no idea who I to pull for. Maybe the big, mop-headed dude with glasses. This was the most brutal 'Hollywood Week' I've seen of any season. In the past, I've had at least two or three favorites at this point. But because of the way the show's been done this season, I find myself not caring about ANYONE left.

The "big mop-headed dude" (nicely put) is from here in SC so he's a natural for my household to pull for. He seems to be good and easy to like too so hopefully he'll go far.

Some of the "nobodys" are at a tremendous disadvantage to the contestants that have been featured now that we're at this point.

Take this for what it's worth, but my Mom said Bailey Brown has been all over TV. There is a huge petition going around to get her back on the show. I think she sounded great from what I heard.....but she didn't know the words in the group competition...sorry. She's supposedly going to be on some new talk show (NBC I think?) today, or maybe it was yesterday, singing. I think she'll end up being ok.

I wasn't even paying attention to if the girl who sang with Justin Timberlake was doing well, or made it or anything. I looked at the web site with the top 24 finalists and she is not on there. She seemed to do well on the awards show, but they didn't see it for the top 24....

I know it is kind of hard to completely judge a singer when you haven't heard them sing a full song, but man, the talent this year pales in comparison to last year or even years before.

I think you are wrong. There is tons of talent in many of these singers. Sundance had a hard time, but he has a voice for sure.

The heavier set african american single mom has an amazing voice too....I think ,uch more than Mandeesa.

And Melinda Doolittle is absolutely adorable and I think she is going to knock the socks off people.

And Chris Sligh, well that kid is total talent, and he could be the next Jack Black with that sense of humor he has.

the fat guy with the carrot top hair looks like the guy from 40 year old virgin... the kid who wanted to buy the fish shoes

I think you are wrong. There is tons of talent in many of these singers. Sundance had a hard time, but he has a voice for sure.

The heavier set african american single mom has an amazing voice too....I think ,uch more than Mandeesa.

And Melinda Doolittle is absolutely adorable and I think she is going to knock the socks off people.

And Chris Sligh, well that kid is total talent, and he could be the next Jack Black with that sense of humor he has.

I'm not saying there aren't talented singers amongst these 24. It's just that when I look at the entire 24, it doesn't even come close to last year or the year before. Some of these are a joke. You will see this come next week.
I just wasn't impressed with them as a group. I do have a couple favorites however and I will keep an eye on them. (BTW, I think they eliminated the best of the bunch in Baylie Brown)

Take this for what it's worth, but my Mom said Bailey Brown has been all over TV. There is a huge petition going around to get her back on the show. I think she sounded great from what I heard
My wife remembers that one season there was some wild card choices from the judges beyond the 24. Anybody remember that?

Might be a possibility for Bailey. Simon said she was "Comercial with a capital 'C.'"

Peace,

DM

I am bummed that the Hollywood auditions were only one hour this year. I think this is one of the most interesting segments of the concept and they rush through it in only an hour. I guess it keeps the viewer from locking into a favorite before the voting starts.

Yeah, trimming it down really makes it hard to figure out who is who but I guess it gives them more of a clean slate going in.
As for the 'wildcard' issue, I remember when Clay Aiken was brought back as a wildcard so it is possible Bailey may make it back, though unlikely. Does anyone know if the wildcard aspect has been eliminated from the format completely? I haven't heard of it for a while (recent seasons). Bailey broke the cardinal rule..."remember the words." She screwed herself, who knows she may come out of this better off than if she waits till next year to try again. We'll see.

Public outcry can have effects for reality show contestants. Look at Rubert and Stefanie on Survivor. Rupert was awarded $1,000,000 as an "afterthought" and Stefanie made it back to the next Survivor. I would not be surprised at all if Baylie made it back.....but she did screw up by not remembering her words. She sat there idly watching the other two fight when she could have been memorizing her words. Its her own fault she got booted. If you want something bad enough, you have to fight for it.

I agree whole heartedly, though I suspect if they did allow her back on, then more 'appeals' would follow from others who felt wronged and could turn into a real disaster for the show. I'd like to see her back though, just doubtful it would happen. Let's watch!

Yeah, trimming it down really makes it hard to figure out who is who but I guess it gives them more of a clean slate going in.
As for the 'wildcard' issue, I remember when Clay Aiken was brought back as a wildcard so it is possible Bailey may make it back, though unlikely. Does anyone know if the wildcard aspect has been eliminated from the format completely? I haven't heard of it for a while (recent seasons). Bailey broke the cardinal rule..."remember the words." She screwed herself, who knows she may come out of this better off than if she waits till next year to try again. We'll see.


I know the poor girl lost her lines, but I place some of that blame on the judges. If any of the contestants DID NOT know they'd be in hot water by forgetting their lines, then shame on them. I think by the judges explaining this so direct as the girls were going up to sing placed some un-needed insecurities in their minds. If someone was having difficulties remembering the words, after Simon standing up and screaming not to forget lines....well, I think many would have problems. I'm all for bringing Baily back. She's cute, good personality, comes across as being down to earth, and the girl can sing. If they don't, I won't be upset because she did screw up her lines.

Every season, I've picked one of the winners early on (either at audition or Hollywood), except for this year. I like Chris and Sundance, but the moment I saw Baily, I thought she'd win the entire thing.

The `Lakisha' mom is a much better vocal version of Fantasia

Any singer who brings to mind comparisons to Fantasia shouldn't even make it to Hollywood - much less the finals.

There is still hope for Baylie. There are many competitions that don't require singing or the memorization of things outside of a fashion magazine.

OK so I absolutely love Taylor Hicks' new song Just To Feel That Way. Anyone else?

I know the poor girl lost her lines, but I place some of that blame on the judges. If any of the contestants DID NOT know they'd be in hot water by forgetting their lines, then shame on them. I think by the judges explaining this so direct as the girls were going up to sing placed some un-needed insecurities in their minds. If someone was having difficulties remembering the words, after Simon standing up and screaming not to forget lines....well, I think many would have problems. I'm all for bringing Baily back. She's cute, good personality, comes across as being down to earth, and the girl can sing. If they don't, I won't be upset because she did screw up her lines.

Every season, I've picked one of the winners early on (either at audition or Hollywood), except for this year. I like Chris and Sundance, but the moment I saw Baily, I thought she'd win the entire thing.

Your assuming that the announcement was made right before the first group went on. They is a trick of editing. They could have made the announcement a half an hour before the first group went on. I just do not see what everyone sees in Baily. She was an OK singer who forgot her lines in a group where everyone else out sung her.

Take this for what it's worth, but my Mom said Bailey Brown has been all over TV. There is a huge petition going around to get her back on the show.
I don't get it. She screwed up. It's not like she forgot a couple words. She choked. She got what she deserved. There's always next year. Grow up, kid.

Does anyone else remember there being so many co-ed groups? I can recall only one or two before this year.

I don't get it. She screwed up. It's not like she forgot a couple words. She choked. She got what she deserved. There's always next year. Grow up, kid.

It's not about Bailey's wants... it's about what the fans of the show want. There's a large and growing concensus that Bailey should still be on the show. Especially compared to what's left to pick from. There's just not anyone in the top 24 that is very exciting. I sort of thought of Bailey as this year's Kelly Pickler. Maybe not the most talented, but definitly interesting.

Your assuming that the announcement was made right before the first group went on. They is a trick of editing. They could have made the announcement a half an hour before the first group went on. I just do not see what everyone sees in Baily. She was an OK singer who forgot her lines in a group where everyone else out sung her.

Very good point, and well taken. This made me think though...how do we know others didn't forget their lines and made it through anyway, they just didn't show us? Maybe they edited it that way for a reason...I don't know. They can portray anything they want with us.

I'm not trying to take up for her as she forgot her lines. I just feel bad for her because I think she is really good and she screwed up her chance. Do I think they should put her back on? Not necessarily, as that's not fair to the others kicked off that may have screwed up as well (but I'd sign the petition as I think she's a cutie). I'm just saying I feel bad she screwed up as I liked her and wanted to see her go through.

Any singer who brings to mind comparisons to Fantasia shouldn't even make it to Hollywood - much less the finals.She had a similar twang...little else reminded me of her.....

this season's crop is NOT very impressive depthwise. :(

Very good point, and well taken. This made me think though...how do we know others didn't forget their lines and made it through anyway, they just didn't show us?
They showed Sunhead forgetting some words but he charmed his way through it instead of freezing up.

I know it is kind of hard to completely judge a singer when you haven't heard them sing a full song, but man, the talent this year pales in comparison to last year or even years before. The beginning of studio singing and phone judging should be part singing competition and part comedy hour next week. Some of these individuals (yes, I am talking about you Sundance/Jason) are dreadful singers.

Dreadful would be like 05s `Constantine' ...who is Jason??

Calling Sundance terrible is a massive massive stretch...he may not be stylistically versatile but he is a TON better rangewise,etc than many guys on the radio (rock-one octave stinkers,etc).

Dreadful would be like 05s `Constantine' ...who is Jason??

Calling Sundance terrible is a massive massive stretch...he may not be stylistically versatile but he is a TON better rangewise,etc than many guys on the radio (rock-one octave stinkers,etc).

Jason is Sundances real first name.

It's not about Bailey's wants... it's about what the fans of the show want. There's a large and growing concensus that Bailey should still be on the show. Especially compared to what's left to pick from. There's just not anyone in the top 24 that is very exciting. I sort of thought of Bailey as this year's Kelly Pickler. Maybe not the most talented, but definitly interesting.

As much as some people like Bailey, it wouldn't be fair to the other girls that made it in. None of them screwed up. And to keep it at an even 12 for next week, one of the girls would have to be let go in order for Bailey to take her place. This would cause a lot of outrage.

Fans of Bailey need to grow up and realize that you have to earn your way to success. If Bailey really wants a career in singing, she can find other ways to make it in the biz.

The flirty girl that was in Baylies group forgot her lines too, yet they put her on to the "room round" and then cut her. She was a complete biatch.

But she didn't screw up as bad as Bailey. Fair is fair. Had she made it in she would not have gotten far with her rotten attitude and bloated ego.

Antonella forgot her lines TWICE and still got in, beating out the much more talented and beautiful Marisa. Fair?

Bailey may ahve screwed the pooch, but Skankerella obviously screwed the producer.

Antonella forgot her lines TWICE and still got in, beating out the much more talented and beautiful Marisa. Fair?

Bailey may ahve screwed the pooch, but Skankerella obviously screwed the producer.

Antonella got in because the judges thought she had the better voice. They were wrong. I'd be surprised if she makes it to the top 12 unless her looks are more important than her singing talent.

Antonella forgot her lines TWICE and still got in, beating out the much more talented and beautiful Marisa. Fair?
- It looks like she forgot a few lines during the group audition, but who knows how she did in the individual? Editing only shows us clips.

FWIW, I think Antonella will share the fate of previous "hot" chicks that made the final 24: Bland performances and an early exit.

Remember the "hot tub" chick? She was a good example of one that appeared* to get through to the final 24 on appearance mostly.

*based on AI editing

I predict a girl will win this time. Most of the guys are lame.

To me it seemed like many of the girls advanced to the final 12 because of looks, not talent.

The guys group have a few people with great talent, and of course a few duds (Sundance/Jason).

I am predicting a final between Chris Sligh and Sanjaya Malakar. Sanjaya is the more talented singer, but Chris is really good and will be popular among AI fans for his sense of humor.

Sanjaya will also get the votes of people tired of seeing typical white and black singers winning AI, while the Heartland will go for Chris Sligh using his overall talent as an excuse to make sure an Indo-American (or should I say half-Indo- american?) doesn't win AI.

I don't think most of the girls left are in the league of Chris and Sanjaya.

See, I think Sanjaya is in totally over his head and will self-destruct before the round of 12. He's young if I remember correctly.

I agree...Sanjaya is out in the next round.

- It looks like she forgot a few lines during the group audition, but who knows how she did in the individual? Editing only shows us clips.
No, they clearly showed Anti-Tone-Ella missing words left and right in her solo performance.

No, they clearly showed Anti-Tone-Ella missing words left and right in her solo performance.

And in the clip of Marissa they showed Simon even made a comment how it was the best performance all day.

It made no sense that they kept Antonella after that.

You guys are clearly being led by their deceptive editing. They've been using this technique on AI for years to "throw" people off like that.

They did the same thing with Sundance and the other guy that were head to head.

I really think that some of these singers have WAYYY too much attidude. American Idol is going for the whole package...singing, performance AND personality.

Marissa was a bit snooty and snotty and that could be the reason she was cut. Same for the guy going against Sundance. And I love the fact that Sundance said he could hire him as a bodyguard (in your face bud!)

Antonellas best friend was a flirt and cared more about impressing the guys than learning her words. I truly believe thats one of the reasons she was cut. You don;t think the judges don't see their off stage antics?

There was a black guy, 16 years old, on the audition round that sounded INCREDIBLE. He actually looked more like a 25 year old model, but was 16. Paula loved him. All I remember is that he was adopted by a foreign family who raised him. They were all there when he made the cut to Hollywood. I cannot recall seeing him in Hollywood, nor did I see him make it through to the top 24.

Two people that made it to Hollywood from the beginning audition round I can't recall ever seeing again. This guy, and that young NY Opera singer. What happened to them?

Unless there was some talent that AI didn't show us in the editing, this is a sorry group of contestants this year. There are a few that are pretty good I think, but none have a standout voice like a Kelly Clarkson or a Carrie Underwood...actually, not even close. (per AI editing that I've seen anyway)

I see no rockers or country singers in the group but perhaps that is editing as well. I just hope we do not have 24 manilow/houston type singers. Blah.

I see no rockers or country singers in the group but perhaps that is editing as well. I just hope we do not have 24 manilow/houston type singers. Blah.
LOL. At least there's no Frank Sinatra wannabe singers. That guy last year was just horrible and VERY fake sounding.

I thought there was a Frank Sinatra wanna be in the New York auditions?

Sigh* Looks like this year it's going to be alot of "Yabba-dabba-doo-yah-yah-yah" type of crap at the end, with needless and overblown trills and screeching at the end, ala Craptasia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie9c4yl2lzc&mode=related&search=

Anything look familiar here???

(Hint: Think Antonella)

There was a black guy, 16 years old, on the audition round that sounded INCREDIBLE. He actually looked more like a 25 year old model, but was 16. Paula loved him. All I remember is that he was adopted by a foreign family who raised him. They were all there when he made the cut to Hollywood. I cannot recall seeing him in Hollywood, nor did I see him make it through to the top 24.


I thought he was this guy:

http://www.americanidol.com/contestants/season6/jared_cotter/

But he's too young.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie9c4yl2lzc&mode=related&search=

Anything look familiar here???

(Hint: Think Antonella)

That was a waste of time. I didn't see an antonella lookalike, just a lot of bad singers and a poor production all the way around.

I thought he was this guy:

http://www.americanidol.com/contestants/season6/jared_cotter/

But he's too young.

Nah, the guy in question looked like Tyson Beckford, the model. (paraphrased from my wife) :D I don't think its the guy in this photo. We were wondering what happedned to him. Maybe he was among those that were 'un-invited'.

I thought he was this guy:

http://www.americanidol.com/contestants/season6/jared_cotter/

But he's too young.

Nope. Not him.

I guess next year, I'll keep the State audition rounds DVRd so I can go back and see if the ones I thought were really good made it through.

I wish I knew more on this guy, but all I remember was that he was black, and he was raised by a foreign family, he was only 16 (but looked 25-30), looked like he could be a model, but most importantly, had a great voice. My mom and I will call each other and talk about the auditions, and we both liked this guy, and neither of us saw another clip of him afterwards. Paula had googly eyes over him and my Wife and I thought that was kind of gross...him being only 16 and all.

Did he say his birth mom was a crack addict or something?

Did he say his birth mom was a crack addict or something?


I don't think so, but can't be sure. He looked part black, part white. Very short hair cut. I was talking to another person last night who remembered him and was wondering the same thing as me "What happened to this guy" because the judges absolutely loved him during the audition round. Sad thing is, all the folks I've talked to that remember him can't remember his name, nor where his adopted family is originally from.

Did anyone notice when they showed the top 12 guys dancing, that Phil Stacey did the panther guy's cat moves? Too funny!

Nope. Not him.



Yeah, the kid you were talking about was 16 but the guy I linked was in his mid 20s.

One of the girls was a crack baby, I don't know if she made it through. There's a guy on the new Survivor who was homeless due to a drug addicted mom. Maybe people are getting them confused.

Nope. Not him.

I guess next year, I'll keep the State audition rounds DVRd so I can go back and see if the ones I thought were really good made it through.

I wish I knew more on this guy, but all I remember was that he was black, and he was raised by a foreign family, he was only 16 (but looked 25-30), looked like he could be a model, but most importantly, had a great voice. My mom and I will call each other and talk about the auditions, and we both liked this guy, and neither of us saw another clip of him afterwards. Paula had googly eyes over him and my Wife and I thought that was kind of gross...him being only 16 and all.

You're thinking of Jenry Bejarano. He was at the NY auditions, raised by a Bolivian family. Haven't seen him since the audtion. Here's a photo:

http://www.idolwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/jenry_bejarano.jpg

You're thinking of Jenry Bejarano. He was at the NY auditions, raised by a Bolivian family. Haven't seen him since the audtion. Here's a photo:

http://www.idolwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/jenry_bejarano.jpg

BINGO!!!!!!!! That's him. I don't get it. He sounded great in the audition and the judges gave him kudos. Even if he sucked at Hollywood, I'm surprised they didn't at least show him because he was one of their favorites during the auditioning rounds. Him and the Opera singer from NY....neither to be seen again.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fZn0ND3FxZw

One of the girls was a crack baby, I don't know if she made it through. There's a guy on the new Survivor who was homeless due to a drug addicted mom. Maybe people are getting them confused.

That was Denise Jackson. She got editted out of Hollywood Week. She was from Madison, WI. There were charges - disputed by Jackson - of her doing a fundraiser to get back to Hollywood, and she got bounced from the show:

http://www.madison.com/archives/read.php?ref=/tct/2007/02/15/0702150423.php

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fZn0ND3FxZw


Yup, that's him too. Now that we have that established, does anyone know what happened to him?

Here's the opera singer, Rachel Zevita:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xGIMcSoAxWw

i heard on another site that on local news in albany(where hes from) he said he was real nervous n got cut the 1st round of hollywood week.

word on rachel is: Rachel Zevita made it to through the first Hollywood round but didn’t the final cuts for the Top 40. The producers decided not to air any information about her for some reason.

Here's Rachels Myspace page: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=15106144

i heard on another site that on local news in albany(where hes from) he said he was real nervous n got cut the 1st round of hollywood week.


Thanks for the info. Appears there were many good singers this year that flubbed up in Hollywood and ruined their chances. Oh well, at least they allowed some half talented contestants make it through..hehehee.

That was Denise Jackson. She got editted out of Hollywood Week. She was from Madison, WI. There were charges - disputed by Jackson - of her doing a fundraiser to get back to Hollywood, and she got bounced from the show:

http://www.madison.com/archives/read.php?ref=/tct/2007/02/15/0702150423.php

I don't get what she was allegedly raising money for. I assume they pay for all the contestents to get to Hollywood. It seems like someone (media) screwed her over. Seems pretty innocent what she did.

I don't get what she was allegedly raising money for. I assume they pay for all the contestents to get to Hollywood. It seems like someone (media) screwed her over. Seems pretty innocent what she did.

I'm confused too. It's like she already went to Hollywood and she was having a fundraiser to go 'Back' to hollywood? Does that mean she went there to audition, then went back home, then couldn't afford to go back to Hollywood? It said the HW auditions were months ago, and they edited her out of the HW portion. If they edited her out, if she was good enough to make it through, how were they able to give her spot to someone else and have it taped? Unless, she went home before the auditions were over for some reason and couldn't afford to come back...I don't know. It just said that Ryan called Idol after the HW portion aired (maybe I read that incorrectly), so again.....I don't get what this is all about. Anyone?

I thought last year had by far the best top ten or so in AI history. But I don't remember when that became obvious. At this point, or much later? It may be that until the first round of the 24, with backup music, we won't know what we have.

Some of the cuts seemed odd. The long black chick sounded fastastic in the audition but was dropped. The last girl cut had a really good voice, ditto. The last black guy was cut and what we heard sounded good but was arrogant. I suspect it isn't just talent that figured in. Since the white winners (along with Clay) have had more commercial success than the black winners, they may be leaning away from black performers a little.

There are one or two heavy black girls who don't look so good but are great singers. The best voice, by far, at this point - the black girl backup singer. Major talent and sweet personality.

Among the boys, the funny curly-headed chubby has a chance. We'll know more when the finals start.

I thought last year had by far the best top ten or so in AI history. But I don't remember when that became obvious. At this point, or much later? It may be that until the first round of the 24, with backup music, we won't know what we have.

Some of the cuts seemed odd. The long black chick sounded fastastic in the audition but was dropped. The last girl cut had a really good voice, ditto. The last black guy was cut and what we heard sounded good but was arrogant. I suspect it isn't just talent that figured in. Since the white winners (along with Clay) have had more commercial success than the black winners, they may be leaning away from black performers a little.

There are one or two heavy black girls who don't look so good but are great singers. The best voice, by far, at this point - the black girl backup singer. Major talent and sweet personality.

Among the boys, the funny curly-headed chubby has a chance. We'll know more when the finals start.

Blacks represent approx 10 to 15 % of the American
population. Whites and wannabe whites represent the
remaining population. Not hard to figure out what is
going on. From a white person perpective.

jhl

Totally false, IMO. The Simons' artists have sold millions and millions of albums. They want an entertaining show, but they really really want commercial potential. They'd put the elderly on if they thought they could sell records. Race has little or nothing to do with it.

I thought last year had by far the best top ten or so in AI history. But I don't remember when that became obvious.
I think I was unimpressed at this point last year. That's one of the fascinating things about this show - as the production values step up, the best performers step up as well. It's fun to watch.

Race is 100% irrelevant. The problem is that African Americans are represented by Craptasia, who is the worst AI singer (not even winner) ever, and Ruben. Clay's only success (if you can call it that) is the annual Christmas album. Carrie was an instant hit, since the country scene has relatively few singers, compared to other genres. Bice didn't do too well, but I blame that on the terrible songs on the album. Daughtry was going to do well, whether he made an album affiliated with AI or not. And Taylor's sales come in part because of his personality. Even MacPhee has sold a couple hundred CDs. Lastly, Clarkson, despite the utterly bitchy and snobbish attitude, has managed to stay in the game after all these years.

Now, let's look at the success of some of the other "non-winners" for a moment. Hudson has become a great actress/singer. What's her face was on TV (sorry, but she never appealed to me enough to remember her name) and she was an AA. The draft-dodging Marine went on to country and did OK. The Pickle is making music, but I don't know if it's AI related. Hell, even the stupid chick from here in Utah is still singing somewhere, and she was gawd-awful.

Race has nothing to do with it. Living proof is that if Fantasia can sell albums, anyone can.

Race certainly is somewhat a factor, as it is with any reality cast, when it comes down to picking which fence-sitters will advance. The reality is that an all black, or all white, group of finalists is not as marketable as one with a more acceptable "mix".

The Asian had a leg up, and if you're hot looking you had a leg up. They could probably pick the next American Idol if they could only pick 6 to advance to the finals. The other 18 are long shots where the marketability of the show is more important than their individual merit. In other words, if the 6 best singers were made up of 5 black women and a white guy - there are a lot of black women from Hollywood that will not advance to the final 12 women in favor of lesser talent that is advanced to keep the mix marketable.

So in that sense, race is certainly a factor in the selection process.

Race is 100% irrelevant. The problem is that African Americans are represented by Craptasia, who is the worst AI singer (not even winner) ever, and Ruben.

Race is irrelevant? Give me a break. I agree that Fantasia and Ruben were the least talented winners, but you don't think that plays into the minds of the people making the decisions? There are a lot more white people than black buying records. Remember Elton John's complaint that the voting public was racist? I don't agree with him, but there's a natural tendency for people to identify more with singers who look like them. I suspect black people are not buying a lot of Carrie's records.

Certainly the judges are not racist (two of them being African-American), and maybe we didn't hear enough singing to be sure, but there appeared to be some real good black singers eliminated, and some real marginal white singers who got through. All I'm saying is that likeability, appearance, attitude, and commercial potential played a part in the decision - not just vocal ability.

Clarkson, despite the utterly bitchy and snobbish attitude, has managed to stay in the game after all these years.
Did anybody catch her opening act to the Daytona 500? In Simon's words "That was utterly horrific."

:eek:

Peace,

DM

....Carrie was an instant hit, since the country scene has relatively few singers, compared to other genres.

I'm sorry, but what are you talking about. You must not listen to country music. I'd say there are as many, if not more country singers than other genres. Country is the number one music genre in US. That means for Carrie Underwood to be so successful in country, she's doing great. Actually, there are so many artists in country music, you see new people all the time as they come and go. For Carrie to be doing so well in the #1 Music Genre in the US is saying something.

I'm sorry, but what are you talking about. You must not listen to country music. I'd say there are as many, if not more country singers than other genres. Country is the number one music genre in US. That means for Carrie Underwood to be so successful in country, she's doing great. Actually, there are so many artists in country music, you see new people all the time as they come and go. For Carrie to be doing so well in the #1 Music Genre in the US is saying something.

Excellent post. I don't listen to much country music myself, but I recognize its place in the music industry. It's huge. Absolutely huge.

Certainly the judges are not racist (two of them being African-American.... All I'm saying is that likeability, appearance, attitude, and commercial potential played a part in the decision - not just vocal ability.
Oh, I get it. Your implication is that African-American judges could not be racist. Does that not ascribe certain particular traits to an ethnic group in blanket fashion? And where did the idea come from that there are two African-American judges on the show? I see it is fairly obvious that Randy Jackson is black, whether his derivation is from continental Africa or even if he is an American citizen is unknown to me. Would not know about Paula. Simon looks to be obviously white and is well known to be British.

In any case, will agree with your last sentence whole-heartedly. Decision for inclusion/exclusion is based on a whole host of factors -- hence the bush-baby comment, which while possibly cruel, did have some relationship to what the judges are looking for.

My particular take on this is that no judges are counting racial types or genders going into it, but certainly over time they would naturally resist an imbalance to keep their show engaging and popular. Nothing more, nothing less.

Simon looks to be obviously white

You nailed it - now if you can figure out which two of the other two are black, your uncanny powers of analysis and deductive reasoning will be forever etched in cyber-stone. :D

So, lets see, from Wikipedia:

Abdul was born in San Fernando, California to Harry Abdul, who once worked as a livestock trader and owns a sand and gravel business in California, and Lorraine Rykiss, a former concert pianist who once worked as an assistant to film director Billy Wilder. Abdul's father is African-American but comes from a family of Syrian Jews who immigrated to Brazil,[1] while her mother is also Jewish and from Saint Boniface, an area of Winnipeg, Canada.

I believe that might make Paula of mixed race If you consider Syrian another race. Personally I don't, but you might.

Draft dodging Marine you say???? Excuse me, you are not a draft dodger when you are a Marine because you are a volunteer service person. The Marine Corps allowed Josh Gracin to remain behind when the rest of his group deployed to Iraq simply because it was good press for the Marine Corps. By the way he rejoined his unit when he was bounced as number 4. He was not allowed to participate in the national tour with the rest of of the Idols. Double by the way, Josh is of mixed heritage also. He is American Indian and Croatian.

Not to mention, you can't be a draft-dodger if there is no draft to dodge.

As I said before, the AI producers have two goals: produce an entertaining reality show, and produce a top selling artist. They go with their best guess as to which 24 contestants will get them there.

Six of the top ten albums in the Billboard Hot 100 right now feature black artists.

Country is the number one music genre in US...
Where did you get that info??? Number one in what? Sales? Singles? Your opinion?

http://encarta.msn.com/media_701500349_761551614_-1_1/Music_Sales_in_the_United_States_by_Genre.html

Oh, I get it. Your implication is that African-American judges could not be racist. Does that not ascribe certain particular traits to an ethnic group in blanket fashion? And where did the idea come from that there are two African-American judges on the show? I see it is fairly obvious that Randy Jackson is black, whether his derivation is from continental Africa or even if he is an American citizen is unknown to me. Would not know about Paula. Simon looks to be obviously white and is well known to be British.

In any case, will agree with your last sentence whole-heartedly. Decision for inclusion/exclusion is based on a whole host of factors -- hence the bush-baby comment, which while possibly cruel, did have some relationship to what the judges are looking for.

My particular take on this is that no judges are counting racial types or genders going into it, but certainly over time they would naturally resist an imbalance to keep their show engaging and popular. Nothing more, nothing less.
My point is that African-American judges would be unlikely to be racist against black contestants. They might be somewhat prejudiced in the other direction, more from the point of liking the singing styles of black contestants, but none of the judges appear to have a racial agenda, really, except possibly for the purpose of trying to keep the immense popularity of the show going.

Thank you for pointing out Simon's race and country of origin. I agree that Randy is black. Paula is of mixed race parentage. Don't be so sensitive.

Incidentally, there's nothing wrong with pointing out tendencies among groups - racial or religious or gender or otherwise. Most groups of whatever type have certain points of view that differ from the overall average. And of course any such comments have to do with averages and are not universal for each individual within the group.

So now it is a guessing game. I thought it was about
picking the best singers. How many of the 6 feature
black artists on the bill board were idol contestants ?
So all of the white idol singer are better than any of the
dropped black singers. Sometime i wonder what country
people are living in when they say race does not matter.
Draft dodging should not be into play. Two of the biggest
draft dodgers have been voted into highest office twice.
Give the marine a break. I spent 6 years in the marines
defending my country. Great organization.

jhl

My point is that I don't feel that race is that important to American Idol. If African Americans make up 15-20% of the population, and AI is supposedly avoiding one as a winner (as suggested in the earlier post which started this whole thing in the first place), then let's consider:

There are 24 finalists. 17.5% of 24 = 4.2, meaning that to be representative of America's total population, AI "should have" 4 AA singers.

Has that been the case in recent years? What about this year? Does it even matter?

What I see is that of far more importance than race to AI is the likeability/X factor.

As far as racism is general, Americans are mildly racist, whether they admit it or not. Too often, when talking or reading about AI contestants you get; "Who was the black girl that..." and "I don't remember his name, but he was black..."

Compare that to when white singers are discussed; "He's the guy that did the dance..." and "She was an opera singer..." No mention of race at all. Whites are defined by thier actions, professions, or attractiveness, etc, while others are often identified by their race. That said, I don't think it's typically a malicious or deliberate thing, just an unconscious habit.

Again, I don't think AI sees color at all, save but the color of one's character, not the skin.

My point is that I don't feel that race is that important to American Idol. If African Americans make up 15-20% of the population, and AI is supposedly avoiding one as a winner (as suggested in the earlier post which started this whole thing in the first place), then let's consider:

There are 24 finalists. 17.5% of 24 = 4.2, meaning that to be representative of America's total population, AI "should have" 4 AA singers.

Has that been the case in recent years? What about this year? Does it even matter?

What I see is that of far more importance than race to AI is the likeability/X factor.

As far as racism is general, Americans are mildly racist, whether they admit it or not. Too often, when talking or reading about AI contestants you get; "Who was the black girl that..." and "I don't remember his name, but he was black..."

Compare that to when white singers are discussed; "He's the guy that did the dance..." and "She was an opera singer..." No mention of race at all. Whites are defined by thier actions, professions, or attractiveness, etc, while others are often identified by their race. That said, I don't think it's typically a malicious or deliberate thing, just an unconscious habit.

Again, I don't think AI sees color at all, save but the color of one's character, not the skin.

To call someone mildly racist by stating "What was the name of the black guy...." is insane. What's wrong with that? "What's the name of the old guy...." "What's the name of the dog...". ???????

My point is that African-American judges would be unlikely to be racist against black contestants. They might be somewhat prejudiced in the other direction, more from the point of liking the singing styles of black contestants, but none of the judges appear to have a racial agenda, really, except possibly for the purpose of trying to keep the immense popularity of the show going.

Thank you for pointing out Simon's race and country of origin. I agree that Randy is black. Paula is of mixed race parentage. Don't be so sensitive.

Incidentally, there's nothing wrong with pointing out tendencies among groups - racial or religious or gender or otherwise. Most groups of whatever type have certain points of view that differ from the overall average. And of course any such comments have to do with averages and are not universal for each individual within the group.
One point I was making is that the term "African American" seems to be used as interchangeable with "black," which you seem to be doing, and in my mind that term ITSELF makes broad generalized assumptions based on skin color, which is what I thought racism was. I have heard Sidney Portier, Louis Farrakhan, Colin Powell, Bob Marley, and Lennox Lewis, among others, referred to as African American and while they all may be black, none is African American.

Also someone supplied Abdul's lineage and it looks like she is Syrian-American if she is an American citizen. Any or all of the judges may be quite racist, their particular race has no bearing on that, but beyond that, I see no evidence of their racism -- EXCEPT TO THE EXTENT that if it started to look really lopsided, cuts would definitely be made BASED ON RACE -- that is obviously racism too of a benign, non-malicious kind, which just goes to show that racism is not always negative, whereas bigotry might be a different thing altogether.

So we apparently agree in the main.

Not to mention, you can't be a draft-dodger if there is no draft to dodge.

The correct way to phrase it is, "Son, there ain't no draft no more."

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Wow, I think the whole race issue has been beaten to death, don't you guys think? Let's just leave it alone and comment on how things play out from here on in, and not debate over color, lack of color, shade of color or whatever. It's about singing ability.

We don't want this thread to get locked because of an argument about race do we?

Won't be hard to comply with on my part, though I will point out that every year similar discussions are entertained as to what factors may go into selection of contestants. Is there any doubt that it is NOT all about the singing, the whole singing and nothing but the singing?

I think we're all adult enough to be able to discuss race as a casting factor without it going down the road of a thread-closing. A look at any reality show casting makes it obvious that diversity is a deliberate goal. Crowning an American Idol is pointless if nobody watches the show, and the "X-factor" or "it-factor" allows them plenty of lattitude beyond just singing to cast the show for maximum marketability.

See, I think Sanjaya is in totally over his head and will self-destruct before the round of 12. He's young if I remember correctly.

That is funny you say that when AI didn't show a second of Sanjaya's singing during Hollywood Week.

So all we have on him is his audition, and he was fantasic.

Anything other than a Chris/Sanjaya final at this point would be a travesty.

Not only that, both singers will have votes. Sanjaya will have votes from many minorities as people want to see a minority who isn't black/latino win, and the other asian dude in the top 12 doesn't sing nearly as well as him.

Chris Sligh will have votes based on sense of humor, and white america will vote for him and use the sense of humor as an excuse to vote for a white person (Although he is a good singer, I suspect Sanjaya is better).

Chris vs. Sanjaya, I'm predicting it right here. Most of the women will fall off quickly because they can't hang with these two.

To call someone mildly racist by stating "What was the name of the black guy...." is insane. What's wrong with that? "What's the name of the old guy...." "What's the name of the dog...". ???????
By mildly racist, I mean that one sees race, however so slightly. I find it telling that we see simplistic descriptions of "that black guy/girl" frequently, yet rarely (if ever) hear "that white guy/girl" used solely as a reference, that's all.

Should I refer to my friends as; John, the black dude/Amy, the Mormon/Jim, the Irishman/Tony, the Jew/Sarah, the Mexican/Kim, the Chineese guy/Jessica, the funny, rich, and good-looking doctor?*

*In the above example, Bob is white.

Unfortunately, whites are commonly defined by personality traits, status, looks, or profession, while everyone else is defined by race/color. One only needs to go back and read a few pages for examples of this. As stated, I don't think it's deliberate or derogatory, just a habit.

IMO, AI is not looking for anything but the most entertaining character that will sell the most albums, regardless of true singing ability or anything else. White, black, green, blue, or aquamarine with lavender polkadots. To that extent, race is irrelevant.

Should I refer to my friends as; John, the black dude/Amy, the Mormon/Jim, the Irishman/Tony, the Jew/Sarah, the Mexican/Kim, the Chineese guy/Jessica, the funny, rich, and good-looking doctor?*

Any description beyond their name might be helpful if you want us to distinguish your friends who we've never met. "Doctor" doesn't help much unless she's wearing a stethoscope, and if there were two people wearing a stethoscope, it would be appropriate to say the black doctor or white doctor to distinguish them. The only people truly color/race blind are actually blind. Feigning an inability to notice color seems more an indication of some sort of guilt, not tolerance.


*In the above example, Bob is white.

I don't see a Bob referenced, what color is Jim?

The only people truly color/race blind are actually blind. Feigning an inability to notice color seems more an indication of some sort of guilt, not tolerance.

Now that was remarkably insightful. And I would also agree that inasmuch as race and/or skin color will always be noticed, that virtually every living human is racist inasmuch as such classifications are how humans process information, make discernments, etc.

I repeat though, that bigotry is another thing altogether and unfortunately these terms seem interchangeable to many.

I hope no one takes this statement as too racist but ...

First studio show is tonight, taped this past weekend. First live show is Thursday.

Just the fact that you spell racist with a little "r" tells me you don't take the problem seriously. :)