Jason - Any word on when/if you will be reviewing the RS1 now that CES is done? I'm not sure if you are still getting the unit you had hoped would be available prior to CES or if you are having to wait on first production units coming out in Feb. Look forward to your input!

I believe he is supposed to get one this week.

2 more weeks! :D

Four more years!

Marc

come on Marc,

its only three years and 11 months. Seriously, it probably wont be coming in Feb 1, but Jason will be reviewing it as soon as possible

Well, at least Elliot(Cine4Home) has an HD1 now. He's doing a shootout with a Pearl tommorow evening. Both projectors will be calibrated tomorrow before the shootout.
The results will be interesting.

Well, at least Elliot(Cine4Home) has an HD1 now. He's doing a shootout with a Pearl tommorow evening. Both projectors will be calibrated tomorrow before the shootout.
The results will be interesting.

That is cool, i would however rather have the shootout against a DLP, o well shall be very interesting to read about, Cine4home does very good reviews :)

Yes.

Well, at least Elliot(Cine4Home) has an HD1 now. He's doing a shootout with a Pearl tommorow evening. Both projectors will be calibrated tomorrow before the shootout.
The results will be interesting.
Elliot and cine4home are two different people. Elliot is in the UK and cine4home is in Germany.

Maybe Elliot is gonna fly to Germany to do the shoot out w/ Ekkehart:D

Guess I got my names mixed up. Sorry for the confusion. :)

Well, they both have HD1s to test and they're both testing them this week. They're just not doing it together. :)

I think it was Gregr that mentioned if a projector is given to him to test and doesn't meet a quick standards check no review is made. So now on review sites I'm always checking to see whats missing. Also some reviews seem to leave out certain things....

It would not make sense for dealer/reviewer to post a negative review when they sell projectors afterall.

I'm sure thats not the case here with the JVC, but if anyone wants to believe this conspiracy and decides to cancel, it will help move me up the long waiting list... :)

Kind of curious as to why our UK and German friends can get their hands on a projector and we (as in Jason) can't? Been promised but still a "no show"

never understood this, but sometimes the manufacturers release in Europe first.

I always like Jason's reviews and how he keeps it at a higher level where us "simple minded" people can understand it. :D I also must admit I'm looking forward to his impressions with the RS1/SS combo - since that's where I'm headed at this point.

never understood this, but sometimes the manufacturers release in Europe first.
In this case, I'm not going to complain. With everyone getting heartburn over the lack of LUT access, it will be interesting to get the early reports from Europe regarding the full production units OOTB color uniformity and grey scale.

never understood this, but sometimes the manufacturers release in Europe first.

I hope they are still working on the RS1, is the reason for us being a week or so later. Maybe implementing 2.35 vertical stretch? 8)

May we expect this review in our lifetime?

May we expect it while we're still young or young-ish?

When may we expect it?



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Man people are impatient. Look, it is in JVC's hands at the moment. BELIEVE ME...when it arrives I will do it immediately.

Man people are impatient. Look, it is in JVC's hands at the moment. BELIEVE ME...when it arrives I will do it immediately.

So, is it done yet?

:p

Man people are impatient. Look, it is in JVC's hands at the moment. BELIEVE ME...when it arrives I will do it immediately.

You say that like you are surprised :D

I think it was Gregr that mentioned if a projector is given to him to test and doesn't meet a quick standards check no review is made.
Greg mentioned about a month ago that Optoma had sent him a HD-81 for review...hmmm...

BTW, is it "a" HD-81 or "an" HD-81, and why? (Trying to brush up on my English :) )

"Maybe implementing 2.35 vertical stretch? 8) "

Not to get too personal, but you really need to work on your smile :)

May we expect this review in our lifetime?

May we expect it while we're still young or young-ish?

When may we expect it?

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Jeez Louise... it's not like this is a subscription service or anything. I mean... AVS is so valuable and FREE! Have patience with a free service. These guys deserve it.

Greg mentioned about a month ago that Optoma had sent him a HD-81 for review...hmmm...

BTW, is it "a" HD-81 or "an" HD-81, and why? (Trying to brush up on my English :) )

"an" HD-81. If the next word begins with a vowel SOUND then use "an".

a desk
an elephant

an aych-dee 81

I thought it was if the next word begins with a vowel (not sound.)

The way I was taught anyways. 8)

A or An.
Use an in place of a when it precedes a vowel sound, not just a vowel. That means it's "an honor" (the h is silent), but "a UFO" (because it's pronounced yoo eff oh).

Most of the confusion with a or an arises from acronyms and other abbreviations: some people think it's wrong to use an in front of an abbreviation like "MRI" because "an" can only go before vowels. Not so: the sound, not the letter, is what matters. Because you pronounce it "em ar eye," it's "an MRI."

One tricky case comes up from time to time: is it "a historic occasion" or "an historic occasion"? Some speakers favor the latter — more British than American speakers, but you'll find them in both places — using an on longish words (three or more syllables) beginning with h, where the first syllable isn't accented. They'd say, for instance, "a hístory textbook" (accent on the first syllable) but "an históric event." (Likewise "a hábit" but "an habítual offender," "a hýpothetical question" but "an hypóthesis.") Still, most guides prefer a before any h that's sounded: "a historic occasion," "a hysterical joke," "a habitual offender" — but "an honor" and "an hour" because those h's aren't sounded. [Entry revised 21 April 2006; revised again 10 December 2006.]

I can understand the anxiousness people are feeling waiting on Jason's review but I can also appreciate why Jason is "lying low". I'm sure Jason is just as anxious as everyone else to get the unit and report his findings.

Trying to correct AVS Forum people on their grammar or spelling is a very very lost cause. Close your eyes to it. This place is a gray-haired, little old English grammar teacher's nightmare...minefield ! :D

Man people are impatient. Look, it is in JVC's hands at the moment. BELIEVE ME...when it arrives I will do it immediately.

Hmmm, the pessimist/conspiratorial theorist in me would guess that the projector that JVC US received for Jason's review was off calibration-wise (shading or grey-scale) and since there is no LUT access outside of the factory it had to be shipped back to Japan while they scramble to get a replacement unit. I'm guessing that this could add up a several week delay. This assumes that the problem was specific to this particular unit. If we were to take it a step further and assume that the calibration problem was endemic to all or most of the units then it may take much longer for the factory to fix the problem and then ship a new unit to the US. I'm guessing it would probably take at least a month or so for this to happen. Hmmm, let's see hasn't it been about a month since they promised a unit for Jason :D

Hmmm, the pessimist/conspiratorial theorist in me would guess that the projector that JVC US received for Jason's review was off calibration-wise (shading or grey-scale) and since there is no LUT access outside of the factory it had to be shipped back to Japan while they scramble to get a replacement unit. I'm guessing that this could add up a several week delay. This assumes that the problem was specific to this particular unit. If we were to take it a step further and assume that the calibration problem was endemic to all or most of the units then it may take much longer for the factory to fix the problem and then ship a new unit to the US. I'm guessing it would probably take at least a month or so for this to happen. Hmmm, let's see hasn't it been about a month since they promised a unit for Jason :D


I hope your wrong, but I would be a liar to tell you I have not thought about something similar. It just seemed wierd that no review was ever done when Jason was sure he was getting one for review toward the end of December :confused:

Curious to hear about what the RS1 brings to the table that the HD1 does not, according to Jasons post earlier today. I would think it would be top priority to make sure production units are in tip top shape at this point, and I am sure AVS is pushing this however they can since they have so many pre-orders on the line. If there is QC similar to the Pearl, its going to suck for everyone involved.

Thanks, guys (especially Citation444 for that excellent explanation). Unlike a lot of people, it really matters to me to speak and write correct English. What I thought was the correct rule and what sounded correct to me were two different things, and that's why I asked.

Jeez Louise... it's not like this is a subscription service or anything. I mean... AVS is so valuable and FREE! Have patience with a free service. These guys deserve it.

I don't think I'd call it a free service, even though it indeed is free. I think I would call it advertising. AVS sells the things they review. In fact, they sell these things to the very same people who are clamoring to read their reviews.

I appreciate their reviews, yes indeed. And Lord knows I love the community that has sprung up within their forums. But it's not like AVS is running a charity or something.

Ain't that the truth!

Jeez Louise... it's not like this is a subscription service or anything. I mean... AVS is so valuable and FREE! Have patience with a free service. These guys deserve it.

When it comes to media, most of the FREE services make the most profit. Look at ABC, NBC, CBS, and FOX! I am sure same goes with AVS. Advertising, mass market reach makes their prices very attractive for us to afford top notch equipment at reasonable prices. JVC should be shipping a boat load of RS1s to AVS!

Maybe higher-ups in Japan are pulling the strings as to who gets a review unit, what unit they get - and when. Maybe JVC USA was making promises (to Jason) - and the rug was pulled out from under them. Very mysterious goings on. :rolleyes:

Or maybe they are trying to jam CIH into the final release...or maybe they are providing an update to get access to the LUT...or maybe they figured out a way to get us more Lumens!

Seriously guys, its all pure speculation at this point and I think we should try to give JVC and AVS the benefit of the doubt. Not that speculating isn't fun, but lets not draw any inappropriate conclusions.

When it comes to media, most of the FREE services make the most profit. Look at ABC, NBC, CBS, and FOX!

ABC, NBC, CBS and FOX don't give us the personalized attention and responses that the crew here at AVS does. The networks give everyone the same thing that they think most will want. It's a completely different service.


JVC should be shipping a boat load of RS1s to AVS!
I completely agree! I want my RS1! JVC should definitely pay attention to AVS first. :)

you guys are funny :)

what exactly do you expect Jasons review to tell you or prove that the dozens upon dozens of eyewitness sightings haven't already?

Unless you were looking for specific information in regards to the performance with respect to one or two specific screens, I don't see where a review at this point is going to accomplish much.

That is beyond proving that one specific, cherry picked unit is capable of a certain level of performance in several key areas.

I am hoping(dreaming?) Jason will get production model to review with a bonus feature 'exclusively' for AVS members!!

Vertical Stretch!

JVC should be shipping a boat load of RS1s to AVS! "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've created." :D

AVS is clearly a big re-seller account for the RS1, but it by no means has a controlling interest in initial distribution. I spoke to a JVC Pro sales rep yesterday who told me that the orders for the RS1 are quite backed-up, and that distribution is wide (i.e. not promised to one source in a particular order or quantity). They have a lot of buyers who have committed to big numbers, of which AVS is merely a fellow participant. That's not to say that JVC will not deliver the RS1 AVS pre-buy orders in one fell swoop; they may. But it is also true that many others will be receiving deliveries as well at the same time. Maintaining an even strain about this may be healthy ;)

Jeez Louise... it's not like this is a subscription service or anything. I mean... AVS is so valuable and FREE! Have patience with a free service. These guys deserve it.

Oooppps -- forgot to sign the post with a Smiley Face. :D

Just a gentle chiding to Jason . . . and yes we know he's waiting on JVC.

. . . and yes, AVS FORUM is extremely valuable and all concerned get
their well-deserved props.

That said, AV SCIENCE is a business and the review would be posted to the AVS BUSINESS site, not the forum.

So as a BUSINESS we can good naturedly :D harrass them to post reviews . . . . and return phone calls and E mails.

:)

In a nutshell here is what happened. About 1.5 weeks before Xmas JVC contacted me saying 2 units were coming in, and that they were getting me one to review. The units ended up not coming in until Thursday before Xmas, and they had to be QC'd first. Then it was the holiday. Then a higher up person at JVC said that there were some other people (one being a photographer for press/literature photos) that had to get them first. Then it was New Year's, and then CES. So essentially they could not make it happen in time before CES. Out of my hands obviously. At that point, I told them to hold off until I get an actual production unit (not preproduction) so that is what I am waiting on.
Like it or not, that is what happened. I shouldn't have openned my fat mouth. :)

Some, like me, may be anxious because:

1) My room will be finished in a week except for mounting screen and hanging FP
2) I want to hear Jason's review before making screen width and type choice
3) Some say it can be 3-4 weeks to get a Stewart screen once ordered
4) the Super Bowl is a goner but..... how about March Madness!!

If in the end the RS1 is better than anything else I could get at a comparable price then the wait will be worth it. Still doesn't make the wait fun though does it.

Signed,
Anxious, but not paranoid, in Greenwood, SC

P.S. Keep up the good work AVS :)

well Jason's explanation just adds more importance for two reasons. The review will be the final version (no speculation of a quieter version, vertical stretch, brighter lamp...) and that production units are hitting the american shores at the time of the review.

i am also looking forward to hearing about jasons review of the rs1. i just finished my theater room at my house and i am looking to get a rs1 with a stewart screen also. i have a question though. i was on jvc's website reading about the rs1/hd1 last month and i have been waiting to read a review about it ever since then. but today i was on the web sight and they are talking about the rs1u and it has a cheaper price then the rs1/hd1 by about $700.00. it appeared to have all of the same things the rs1/hd1 has. but it will not be release till march. not february. then i could not find any thing on the rs1/hd1 on jvc's website. what is the difference between the rs1/hd1 and the rs1u if any? and why is the rs1u so much cheeper? just wandering.

p.s. please forgive me i am new at this.

WOW!
Everybody is really hyped about getting Jason's review.

Just wondering,
Who is more respected in the review department....
Jason or Greg Rogers,

because Jason's and Greg's last Sharp review differed by over 200 lumens.

Who to believe?

In a nutshell here is what happened. About 1.5 weeks before Xmas JVC contacted me saying 2 units were coming in, and that they were getting me one to review. The units ended up not coming in until Thursday before Xmas, and they had to be QC'd first. Then it was the holiday. Then a higher up person at JVC said that there were some other people (one being a photographer for press/literature photos) that had to get them first. Then it was New Year's, and then CES. So essentially they could not make it happen in time before CES. Out of my hands obviously. At that point, I told them to hold off until I get an actual production unit (not preproduction) so that is what I am waiting on.
Like it or not, that is what happened. I shouldn't have openned my fat mouth. :)

Just think Jason, if you lived in Denver you would have to have added at least 2-3 delays because of snowstorms in there as well. People would really be going nuts then.
I'm glad you're waiting for a production unit. Hopefully that will put an end to all of the speculating about what's going to be there vs. what's not going to be there. I just hope that JVC doesn't try to add anything at the last minute, to appease the few, and end up compromising something that was working well to begin with.

Only Jason's mother or Greg's mother can answer the who is the most respected question. :)

Seriously, I think Jason would concede that Greg has more measurement expertise and more technical knowledge. I would put Alan's expertise between Jason's and Greg's also. But all are well qualified observers.


Edit. Stop the presses. Alan mentioned in another thread that Jason is away this wek with all of AVSCIENCES measuring equipment receiving training on the equipment. Hm. That review is looking to be even higher quality.

Taking extra time to impliment vertical stretch. What are they stretching :D

Ben

I've read all the speculations and concerns BUT.....what I've seen very little voiced of what is one of my PRIMARY concerns ...dead pixels (yes I saw the allowance value)...but where? If there are clusters in the central region, I don't want the machine! My last machine The HS51 was my first solid state projector, and with it's modest price, I searched hard for the first few weeks and couldn't find any.
Was I just lucky or just blind? If they are in peripheral regions, I'd care less.
What does JVC and/or AVS have to say?
Walter

I think Godot will get here before the RS1 does.

Taking extra time to impliment vertical stretch. What are they stretching :D

Ben

Answer: verticle. :D

........................................... At that point, I told them to hold off until I get an actual production unit (not preproduction) so that is what I am waiting on.
Like it or not, that is what happened. I shouldn't have openned my fat mouth. :)

I think you did exactly the right thing to wait for a production unit.

Too bad you won't be able to pick one at random off a store shelf.

Hey HERVE,
Long time, remember me and my Hitachi CP-SX5500? My projector was taken out by lighting last summer, and after back and forth, couldn't be fix properly. So now I'm in the market for a new projector and heavily lean toward this JVC. Talked to a pro-shop here and was told shipping in the middle of Feb. Are you still running a CRT?

WOW!
Everybody is really hyped about getting Jason's review.

Just wondering,
Who is more respected in the review department....
Jason or Greg Rogers,

because Jason's and Greg's last Sharp review differed by over 200 lumens.

Who to believe?
Greg is WAY more technical so I don't even pretend to be in his league. However, he is also way above many peoples levels so I do more basic ones that everyone can understand. As far as differences, they were different test gear, different rooms, different projectors, etc... That is not uncommon.

They both give good reviews, but Jason is a lot better looking. Im not just sucking up because Im on the pre-order list either.

but Jason is a lot better looking.

Classic, but subtle.

Heh. Heh. So Jason's your type Catdaddy67?

but Jason is a lot better looking.

Off topic. The thread is for Jason's RS-1 review....

The best thing I find about Jason's reviews is that he reviews many pj's, and the consistency of his procedure makes it meaningful to compare various pj's with one another.

[/QUOTE]Heh. Heh. So Jason's your type Catdaddy67?[QUOTE]

No, no he isnt. :)

The late blonde entry in Tryg's CES booth babes thread. She is. 8) Please refer to post #103 .. the one on the right:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=784279&page=4&pp=30

Heh. Heh. So Jason's your type Catdaddy67?

No, no he isnt. :)

The late blonde entry in Tryg's CES booth babes thread. She is. 8) Please refer to post #103 .. the one on the right:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=784279&page=4&pp=30

Don't you mean the two on the right!?

;) :D :p

I was really worried about the Cat Dad. What a relief! Now I can go to sleep.

That's it - I'm tired of waiting. I'm buying a turntable instead for the same $$$ as the JVC.

At least I know I won't be upgrading the turntable anytime soon, since

I know theres no chance of it being eclipsed by new LP technology in 6 months.

(Actually that's not true - I recently read about a groundbreaking EAR

$13,000 table - but that's too rich for my blood.)

http://www.curtpalme.com/images/CES2007/CES2007_image064.jpg

I'd hit em' both........

Cliff

Hey HERVE,
Long time, remember me and my Hitachi CP-SX5500? My projector was taken out by lighting last summer, and after back and forth, couldn't be fix properly. So now I'm in the market for a new projector and heavily lean toward this JVC. Talked to a pro-shop here and was told shipping in the middle of Feb. Are you still running a CRT?
David, you have a PM.

Cliffy. As long as its female and it walks you'd . . . . I told Art that when you are around he's better have security guards for his female bartenders. :)

I think I'm in love... :)

Back on topic for a second, While we wait for Jason's review, I've opened a thread to get some feedback from anyone on the 3 Chip DLPs and/or these new JVCs. I've got 61 square feet of screen to fill in my new HT. Help!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=794945


http://www.curtpalme.com/images/CES2007/CES2007_image064.jpg

I'd hit em' both........

Cliff