Wow... this forum rocks! Why didn't I join sooner. Thanks Jack D!

Jack, I'm using the analog outs on the LG and running them into the source-direct inputs of a Sunfire, Theatre Grand III. I don't think the processor would be the issue... But then again, my front left and right channels are ultimately going through the processor loop of an Audio Research LS25 MKII preamp...

The subwoofer doesn't work when using the analog out of the LG on my Classe' SSP-30 MKII either. I know several people who are using the LG that have this issue. I'm strictly using the digital coax for now, in which the subwoofer channel works fine. The LG seems to have varying quirks, audio wise, depending on the equipment it's connected to.

Just got the player I ordered ages ago in Australia !!! Yeah !

So far, it is slow on load times, but that is comparing it to PS3 and HD-DVD drive for my Xbox. It really not a problem ... by the time you sit back on your couch you will hardly notice it.

The lack of HD-DVD interactivity is a massive PLUS ! No more waiting for obligatory warning screens popping up and long winded menu's before the actual movie starts. Oh how I miss fast forwarding 5 min on rented VHS videos and fast forward on Laserdisc ! Interactivity is such a gimmick .... I am here to watch a movie ... from start to finish ! That's it. If only they did it for Blu Ray as well :)

As this is a PAL player with Blu Ray region code "B" on the back I was so worried that all my Blu Ray movies bought from Amazon (for play on my USA acuired PS3) would not work.

Well ... hey presto ... LG have graciously made the Blu Ray region Free as well. Even the die-hard sony pictures Casino Royale region "A" worked without a hitch. Lovely !

What did not work was a standard NTSC region 1 disc !!! Amazing, but who cares ... I have the best DVD player in the world hooked up to my system for that (Philips DVD1010). As far as sound support my only gripe is DD-HD not being sent out via multichanel through the RCA conectors. I hope they can fix that. My amp can accept 5.1 input via RCA cables. Who cares if the player does the decoding instead of the amp ? I don't ! It's like upscaling via the DVD instead of via the TV's own internal chip ... why double up ??

Anyway, that's a side issue. I can play Blu ray and HD DVD from ANY region so am very happy with the unit.

Btw, we have a great price in Australia ... usually we get ripped off down here but it came to $1350 AUS which is $1120USD. Not bad at all !

Jack, I'm using the analog outs on the LG and running them into the source-direct inputs of a Sunfire, Theatre Grand III. I don't think the processor would be the issue... But then again, my front left and right channels are ultimately going through the processor loop of an Audio Research LS25 MKII preamp...

If you only noticed the problem on one disc it pretty much has to be a problem with the disc.

The subwoofer doesn't work when using the analog out of the LG on my Classe' SSP-30 MKII either. I know several people who are using the LG that have this issue. I'm strictly using the digital coax for now, in which the subwoofer channel works fine. The LG seems to have varying quirks, audio wise, depending on the equipment it's connected to.

That's pretty screwed up. In my case it is only during the speaker test from within the LG software that the SW does not work; during movie playback the SW definitely is active. If this is widespread then one would have to think that LG will put out a fix soon. Then again, maybe I'm being optimistic.

That's pretty screwed up. In my case it is only during the speaker test from within the LG software that the SW does not work; during movie playback the SW definitely is active. If this is widespread then one would have to think that LG will put out a fix soon. Then again, maybe I'm being optimistic.

There is a firmware update. But I don't know what it specifically addresses. I haven't messed with it since you have to jump through a bunch of hoops to get it downloaded and installed. Someone once mentioned that you could get a disc from LG with the update. But that there were problems with the update disc as well.

There is a firmware update. But I don't know what it specifically addresses. I haven't messed with it since you have to jump through a bunch of hoops to get it downloaded and installed. Someone once mentioned that you could get a disc from LG with the update. But that there were problems with the update disc as well.

Oh! If you don't have the May 3 version (the latest one of which I am aware) you should definitely go through the hassle to get it loaded into your machine. It might help with the sound problem. In my case, it definitely added stability as I no longer experience any problems with video freeze ups or video and sound drop outs. And, again, while I experienced the glitch regarding the SW with the sound test, the SW does operate via analog connections during movies.

It IS a bit of a hassle getting the FW update burned onto a DVD. At least it was for me because I was not familiar with burning. I had to get the proper DVD burning software installed and I made a few mistakes with the wrong kind of blank DVDs before I got it right. Still worth it since, as I'm sure you know, the digital connection has limited functionality with the new sound formats. Well, I suppose only if the new FW helps with the SW problem.

As far as sound support my only gripe is DD-HD not being sent out via multichanel through the RCA conectors. I hope they can fix that. My amp can accept 5.1 input via RCA cables. Who cares if the player does the decoding instead of the amp ? I don't ! It's like upscaling via the DVD instead of via the TV's own internal chip ... why double up ??

It depends on your processor. If it is really good than its DACs are probably better than the LG and you would get better sound. It won't "double up" because if you run analog then the digital signal is converted to analog in the LG and if you run digital the signal stays in that form and is converted to analog in the processor before being sent to the speakers.

It's a bit different with video. If your DVD player upscales but doesn't send the signal in the exact form that your TV requires, the TV has to re-process it and any time you add more processing you run the risk of degrading the PQ. Sometimes even sending the signal in the native resolution of the TV is not sufficient as there are other timings that need to be correct. Also some TVs just don't accept their native resolution without reprocessing the signal no matter what you do. The consumer Panasonic plasmas were like that until the 9th generation was released (with 1080p).

What are the remaining issues with the current firmware? I'm on the fence with this unit. This will help alot!

What are the remaining issues with the current firmware? I'm on the fence with this unit. This will help alot!

I have not had any problems since I installed the 5/3 firmware other than the glitch with the test sound for the SW. I guess there is still the issue of full 5.1 support for true hd. I don't know if it is too much to expect full support for all the new sound formats via digital but that would be nice from my point of view. Some people I guess would like to see full support for HD-DVD iHD menus too.

So, with the firmware update, is the best method for reproducing 5.1 still analog or were any changes made to audio via HDMI? Toslink?

So, with the firmware update, is the best method for reproducing 5.1 still analog or were any changes made to audio via HDMI? Toslink?

I don't think there were any changes to the digital audio. Yes, analog still provides the best support for the new HD audio formats.

Thank you Jack D, you are one helpful soul. It would be nice if HDMI would carry more than 2 channels though.

I think you are reading the table incorrectly. For BD-ROM it states that Dolby TrueHD is 5.1 with analog. It's only with HD-DVD that it down mixes to 2 channel with this format.

I've been trying to catch up on this unit by reading this thread. Do I understand correctly that I'll only get stereo via HDMI and even when using analog, I'll only get stereo on HD-DVD's?

I've been trying to catch up on this unit by reading this thread. Do I understand correctly that I'll only get stereo via HDMI and even when using analog, I'll only get stereo on HD-DVD's?

Click on the thumbnail to see the LG's audio outputs.

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Thank you Jack D, you are one helpful soul. It would be nice if HDMI would carry more than 2 channels though.

It has to be HDMI 1.3 to have the bandwidth to carry all the new HD audio formats and this LG doesn't have it.

Click on the thumbnail to see the LG's audio outputs.

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OK. So I see that I'll get Dolby Digital 5.1 if that track is on an HD-DVD but if it has the TrueHD track, I'd get stereo. If I use HDMI, obviously I'd prefer 5.1 via Dolby Digital (for instance) over the more highly valued TrueHD if TrueHD only going to be played in 2 channel stereo. Is the audio track choice selectable then via the LG's menu so that I can be assured of 5.1 sound with any given movie?

Months ago I remember discussion about poor overall sound, is it improved after two firmware updates have come & gone?

Thanks Jack.

OK. So I see that I'll get Dolby Digital 5.1 if that track is on an HD-DVD but if it has the TrueHD track, I'd get stereo. If I use HDMI, obviously I'd prefer 5.1 via Dolby Digital (for instance) over the more highly valued TrueHD if TrueHD only going to be played in 2 channel stereo. Is the audio track choice selectable then via the LG's menu so that I can be assured of 5.1 sound with any given movie?

Months ago I remember discussion about poor overall sound, is it improved after two firmware updates have come & gone?

Thanks Jack.

You choose the sound format from the disc menu or, in the case of HD-DVDs where there is no menu with this machine, you push the "audio" button on the LG remote and it runs through the available sound formats on that particular disc.

How good is the sound? It's subjective. I can say that it's good enough that I don't feel bothered by it when I'm watching a movie. I get good three dimensionality. I'm running it through a Meridian processor, Mcintosh amps, and B&W 800 series speakers so my underlying system is very good. I'm sure that helps.

Some of te Disks I play thow my unit in to the 1080I/60 mode, while most play in 1080P/24. How could it be - is there 1080i recording on thouse HD DVD discs?

Some of te Disks I play thow my unit in to the 1080I/60 mode, while most play in 1080P/24. How could it be - is there 1080i recording on thouse HD DVD discs?

Hmmm. No, the format is 1080p. How do you verify that it is switching to 1080i? In my case, my video processor flashes the input resolution that it recieves for a few seconds when I load up a disc. I did notice one time that the LG switched to 1080i but I think it had to do with some sort of reset of the LG so it switched to its default settings. I just switched it back to 1080p in the setup menu and it never happened again.

Some of te Disks I play thow my unit in to the 1080I/60 mode, while most play in 1080P/24. How could it be - is there 1080i recording on thouse HD DVD discs?
There could be. Anything that's filmed in video (many TV shows, low budget movies) actually originate in interlaced format. I would expect the player to send it out in 1080i, and to store it as 1080i/60 on the disc. The FBI warning is always in 1080i for example since it's originating from video and not film.

Anyone know if the updates allow DTS-MA for BluRay ? The original spec states core only.

There could be. Anything that's filmed in video (many TV shows, low budget movies) actually originate in interlaced format. I would expect the player to send it out in 1080i, and to store it as 1080i/60 on the disc. The FBI warning is always in 1080i for example since it's originating from video and not film.

I knew that SD DVDs had virtually no coding standards which caused tons of problems for decoding chips/algorithms, etc., but I thought that HD and BR discs had higher standards than that.

Anyone know if the updates allow DTS-MA for BluRay ? The original spec states core only.

As far as I know the most recent updates have not added any additional audio functionality.

Some of te Disks I play thow my unit in to the 1080I/60 mode, while most play in 1080P/24. How could it be - is there 1080i recording on thouse HD DVD discs?

Which specific discs cause this to occur? Is it a few or a lot?

Just so i get it right, via 5.1 analogue, this player does NOT decode DTS-HD MA ??

From what I can gather it does DTS-HD (dts at 1.5mpbs) but does not do DTS-HD HR or DTS-HD MA?

Am i correct?

Just so i get it right, via 5.1 analogue, this player does NOT decode DTS-HD MA ??

From what I can gather it does DTS-HD (dts at 1.5mpbs) but does not do DTS-HD HR or DTS-HD MA?

Am i correct?

I posted the table from the manual on audio formats in post number 266. There is no mention there of DTS-HD HR or MA.

LG sent me a firmware disc in the beginning of May. Maybe it is just my player, but does anyone else see a light-blue line on the bottom of the screen when playing blu-rays? Hd-dvds' and regular dvds', I don't see any distortion(plays with different optical equipment). The blue line is barely noticable, but there on my Bh100 for just blu-rays.

LG sent me a firmware disc in the beginning of May. Maybe it is just my player, but does anyone else see a light-blue line on the bottom of the screen when playing blu-rays? Hd-dvds' and regular dvds', I don't see any distortion(plays with different optical equipment). The blue line is barely noticable, but there on my Bh100 for just blu-rays.

No I haven't noticed it. How do you connect the player to your TV?

Hey guys, I 'll be visiting the US ( Florida, Port Charlotte) this week, and I wanted to pick up a dual format player.... I quickly read some of the post but not all 10 pages. I have a few questions regarding this player.

1) I have an Integra 7.6 receiver that handles PCM via HDMI. I know this because my A2 pumps out 5.1 DD+ & 5.1 DD True HD to the Integra 7.6 receiver. I want to know if the sound codecs have been fixed via FW updates on this player, so that I can get the 5.1 -DD+ & DD True HD, sound like I get now out of my A2 .

2) Is the BD side of things on this player ok, I mean will I get all menu functions and 5.1 LPCM via HDMI as with all other BD players? In other words can I play any BD movie on it and access what ever sound format is on the disk?

3) I know that the menu features for HDi was not fully implemented, has this been fixed yet, and if not is it even possible with a FW update?

4) What is a good price (out the door) for this player?

Thanks

Paul

Hey guys, I 'll be visiting the US ( Florida, Port Charlotte) this week, and I wanted to pick up a dual format player.... I quickly read some of the post but not all 10 pages. I have a few questions regarding this player.

1) I have an Integra 7.6 receiver that handles PCM via HDMI. I know this because my A2 pumps out 5.1 DD+ & 5.1 DD True HD to the Integra 7.6 receiver. I want to know if the sound codecs have been fixed via FW updates on this player, so that I can get the 5.1 -DD+ & DD True HD, sound like I get now out of my A2 .

2) Is the BD side of things on this player ok, I mean will I get all menu functions and 5.1 LPCM via HDMI as with all other BD players? In other words can I play any BD movie on it and access what ever sound format is on the disk?

3) I know that the menu features for HDi was not fully implemented, has this been fixed yet, and if not is it even possible with a FW update?

4) What is a good price (out the door) for this player?

Thanks

Paul

Look at post #266 for a table of the sound formats. Bottom line is that digital is not the way to go with this player at this point. It has a fuller range of audio capabilities via analog.

BD side is fine. Full menu capabilities.

Still no menus for HD-DVDs. I haven't heard anything about if/when they will be enabled.

We are not suppose to discuss specific street prices but as far as I know there hasn't been much of a drop from MSRP. After all, it is the only combo on the market at this point.

Thanks Jack, I really appreciate all the info.

paul

No I haven't noticed it. How do you connect the player to your TV?

Thanks for the question, JackD.
I have an hdmi adapter. Hdmi plug from bh100 plugged into my dvi on my tv. It is subtle and doesn't detract to much from the beautiful picture HD gives, but wouldn't mind to get rid of it so blu-ray discs look a little better in 16x9. Maybe this is why the machine was bought by me as an open item? Just wondering if it recurs with others too and deciding if I should take the time to send it in under the first year return policy. Again it is a soft blue line at the bottom of my screen and only on blu-rays. Most people you have to point it out to them to notice.

Thanks for the question, JackD.
I have an hdmi adapter. Hdmi plug from bh100 plugged into my dvi on my tv. It is subtle and doesn't detract to much from the beautiful picture HD gives, but wouldn't mind to get rid of it so blu-ray discs look a little better in 16x9. Maybe this is why the machine was bought by me as an open item? Just wondering if it recurs with others too and deciding if I should take the time to send it in under the first year return policy. Again it is a soft blue line at the bottom of my screen and only on blu-rays. Most people you have to point it out to them to notice.

How many pixels wide is the line? What sort of display are you using? If you add a bit of overscan do you still see it?

FYI. I watched Dune in HD-DVD yesterday. I noticed that it was playing in 1080i for some reason so I went to the set up menu in the LG and noticed that the default resolution had switched back to 1080i. I changed it back to 1080p and the movie played in 1080p after that.

I wonder if this is another glitch in the firmware?

BTW: I had forgotten how bad a movie Dune is! The British TV version of the Dune series is much better. The HD-DVD coding is not very good either. Both sound and picture seem pretty low quality.

1080i- JackD(highest my tv goes in pixels; no progressive 1080)
When overscan, it disappears so this makes me think it is something with the blu-ray laser on it. Who knows though.

Hey guys I just bought this player and have question. I read in a review that if you use this player with a DVI input there are errors in the color. Does anybody know of this issue? Will I have any problems using it with a DVI-HDMI adapter?

Thanks for any help

Hey guys I just bought this player and have question. I read in a review that if you use this player with a DVI input there are errors in the color. Does anybody know of this issue? Will I have any problems using it with a DVI-HDMI adapter?

Thanks for any help

I have mine connected via HDMI to my outboard video processor but from there to the TV I go from HDMI to DVI. So there is an HDMI to DVI in the chain and there ar no color errors of which I'm aware.

Hi, has somebody seen this player on some australian online shop, i need a B/R2 player, and it looks like the palyer is at the cheapest there(he is terribly overpriced in europe)?

Hi, has somebody seen this player on some australian online shop, i need a B/R2 player, and it looks like the palyer is at the cheapest there(he is terribly overpriced in europe)?

Usually electronics are cheaper in the US than anywhere else. Even if the purchase price were cheaper in Australia it might not be so cheap once you factor in the shipping costs. And what if there were a problem with it? Have to ship it all the way back?

Now that I've had the analog audio set up for a while I'm not particularly happy with it because of the lip sync problem. Of course in theory it's easy to use lip sync correction on my surround processor but the problem is that in practice it seems the delay changes even during one movie so that you have to keep fiddling with the lip sync correction.

What exactly is going on? Connecting by analog means the DACs from the LG are being used and that seems to slow down the video decoding? If true it seems that the LG doesn't have enough chip power built in. Perhaps it is just poor programing and with a firmware upgrade they could improve on this with more efficient algorithms.

Any thoughts?

EDIT: I see now that there were a few posts on this issue a while back. The theory was that it is the new HD audio formats that cause the divergence between audio and video. I wonder if that's correct. It seems to me that last night I was watching Unforgiven in HD-DVD and it only has standard 5.1 and I noticed a lot of problems with lip sync.

It was also hypothesized that a lot of processors do not apply their lip sync correction to analog inputs. I'm checking now to see if my processor does.

Well this sucks. Meridian confirmed that the lip sync doesn't work with analog. So I think the only option for me at this point is to go back to digital connections and use bitstream compression. Meridian confirmed that the problem with the sync has to do with the new sound formats.

I have mine connected via HDMI to my outboard video processor but from there to the TV I go from HDMI to DVI. So there is an HDMI to DVI in the chain and there ar no color errors of which I'm aware.

Thanks mine seems to be working fine too so I dont know what the reviewer was talking about. I have another question about this player regarding the audio. I have a Anthem pre amp that has full bass management on the analog inputs, so should I set the speakers on the LG setup to large so that it sends the full signal to the Anthem? I want the pre amp to do all the bass management. Thanks again

Thanks mine seems to be working fine too so I dont know what the reviewer was talking about. I have another question about this player regarding the audio. I have a Anthem pre amp that has full bass management on the analog inputs, so should I set the speakers on the LG setup to large so that it sends the full signal to the Anthem? I want the pre amp to do all the bass management. Thanks again

My answer to your question is 'Yes."

I have a very good image of the BCM7438 from a LG/ Goldstar BluRay player. Would anyone have a data sheet on this device?
Jim

I have a very good image of the BCM7438 from a LG/ Goldstar BluRay player. Would anyone have a data sheet on this device?
Jim

I don't recognize the model number to which you are referring but if you mean the subject of this thread you can get an electronic version of the manual by going to us.lgservice.com, choosing "owners manuals", selecting the product group: DVD,,,Settop box, and then plugging in BH100 for the model number.

Thanks Jack. I do not need teh user manual for the BH100. What i am trying to find is a data sheet for the BCM7438 inside the BH100. I am conducting functional testing on this device and it woul dhelp to know the pin out of this device.. Thanks,
jim

Thanks Jack. I do not need teh user manual for the BH100. What i am trying to find is a data sheet for the BCM7438 inside the BH100. I am conducting functional testing on this device and it woul dhelp to know the pin out of this device.. Thanks,
jim

Oh I see it's one of the chips. Sorry, I have no idea.

Thank you sir

Hi,everyone who owns THE only proper HD player in the world.I am early adapter of HD DVD(June 2006) and I was satisfied user of Toshiba HD-A1(at least after FW 2.0).But,after first James Bond movie(Casino Royale) on Blur Ray,I had to admit myself that I have problem of not watching it on High Def(been there with DVD Audio which sounded better than SACD,but because of Labels stronger support for SACD,I bought universal player(Esoteric DV 50S).SO,I sold my soul to the devil(SONY-FONY) and got Casino Royale,sold my beloved Toshiba and just bought LG(European one,I am from Belgrade,Serbia).My experience with LG compared to Toshiba and watched with SIM2 HT300 Link projector is that LG has slightly better picture and much better sound( connected analogly to Audio Research multi channel preamp.Pass amps and Avalon speakers) AND I can watch James Bond without buying any equipment from Fony and Co.
Thank You very much LG for being brave enough to support better format(HD DVD) together with Blur Ray and I hope that other companies(except Sony,of course) will follow You with some truly universal player with DVD audio and SACD compability(I have right to dream,don`t I!) :)

I wonder if this unit has any huge price reductions coming soon? :)

I wonder if this unit has any huge price reductions coming soon? :)

Why would it? Is there any competition?

Just thought I would post my observations on this player. I bought mine off ebay a week ago and have been using it everyday playing at least three discs a day. I have the video hooked up using HDMI to a dlp projector on a 92" screen, and audio to my anthem avm30 pre amp using analog and digital coaxal. First Bluray, has played every disc perfectly with incredibly sharp and detailed picture (the best being pirates dead mans chest). All the menus have worked except on the pirates disc on the liars dice game which didn't seem to work so I just went back to the main menu. Sound is incredible using analog out especialy when using uncompressed tracks, it might just be me but the rears didn't seem to be as loud using analog as when using the digital out which also sounds very good. Now Hddvd, every disc worked perfectly and I actually like not having the interactive features, it just goes directly to the movie and I like that. Picture quality with Hddvd is just as impressive as bluray sharp and extremely detailed. Sound quality lacks a bit because of the absesce of TruHD but still very good. SD Dvds, now this is the only place where I think this unit does not excel, it is nearly average and my Denon 2930ci is much much better at scaling. All in all it gets a B+ if they fix the TruHd for HdDvd then an A. Good job LG.. :cool:

Just downloaded the firmware from the LG website and the filename is LG_BH_LX100001BN_PKG114_070308A_BH100_7412_1GB.zip is this the may firmware because it says it was created in March?

If you have Batman Begins, the part with the mobile cruising on the roof scene and put on TrueHD audio, with it hooked up digitally to reciever and hear the difference. To me this machine sounded impressive on 2 channels even before the update as it has two decoders.

Just downloaded the firmware from the LG website and the filename is LG_BH_LX100001BN_PKG114_070308A_BH100_7412_1GB.zip is this the may firmware because it says it was created in March?

No there is another firmware that is something like 070503 which is the May 3 version.

Just thought I would post my observations on this player. I bought mine off ebay a week ago and have been using it everyday playing at least three discs a day. I have the video hooked up using HDMI to a dlp projector on a 92" screen, and audio to my anthem avm30 pre amp using analog and digital coaxal. First Bluray, has played every disc perfectly with incredibly sharp and detailed picture (the best being pirates dead mans chest). All the menus have worked except on the pirates disc on the liars dice game which didn't seem to work so I just went back to the main menu. Sound is incredible using analog out especialy when using uncompressed tracks, it might just be me but the rears didn't seem to be as loud using analog as when using the digital out which also sounds very good. Now Hddvd, every disc worked perfectly and I actually like not having the interactive features, it just goes directly to the movie and I like that. Picture quality with Hddvd is just as impressive as bluray sharp and extremely detailed. Sound quality lacks a bit because of the absesce of TruHD but still very good. SD Dvds, now this is the only place where I think this unit does not excel, it is nearly average and my Denon 2930ci is much much better at scaling. All in all it gets a B+ if they fix the TruHd for HdDvd then an A. Good job LG.. :cool:

I pretty much agree with your views. Two things, though:

1. I find that sometimes with analog sound I get lip sync problems that I can't control with my processor because it doesn't do correction on an analog signal. Sometimes there is not a problem and sometimes there is. It's a bit frustrating.

2. I don't really care what it does with SD DVD since I have a Denon 3910 connected to my system via SDI and it provides an excellent picture. i've got enough space on my rack for both machines, so it doesn't really matter to me what the LG does with SD.

Jack, do you know where i can find that version of firmware because i cant seem to find it on the LG website. Thanks

Edit: Being stupid, i found it! sorry

just a quick qestion, when outputting DTHD from blu-ray, is it definitely giving the full DTHD or is it just the 5.1 core stream - has anyone compared the 2 to prove that it is the full on DTHD?

just a quick qestion, when outputting DTHD from blu-ray, is it definitely giving the full DTHD or is it just the 5.1 core stream - has anyone compared the 2 to prove that it is the full on DTHD?

If you look at the table in the manual (also can be found in post #266) it indicates 5.1 for analog and DTS for digital connection. I take this to mean that it is the full stream when connected via analog.

I pretty much agree with your views. Two things, though:

1. I find that sometimes with analog sound I get lip sync problems that I can't control with my processor because it doesn't do correction on an analog signal. Sometimes there is not a problem and sometimes there is. It's a bit frustrating.

2. I don't really care what it does with SD DVD since I have a Denon 3910 connected to my system via SDI and it provides an excellent picture. i've got enough space on my rack for both machines, so it doesn't really matter to me what the LG does with SD.

Jack D is there a lip sync problem on all audio formats through analog, or just lossless? I have not experienced this problem yet but I do have full correction through my processor if nessesary. I also don't care about sd playback as I bought this unit for HD content.

just a quick qestion, when outputting DTHD from blu-ray, is it definitely giving the full DTHD or is it just the 5.1 core stream - has anyone compared the 2 to prove that it is the full on DTHD?


I have listened to both on the same disc, and if my hearing servers me right it is decoding full DTSHD. Now what I am confused about is if it is decoding DTSMA. An Example is Alien vs Predator when using the DTSMA track through analog I get full 5.1. Am i getting the core 1.5mps or the full Master Audio recording? Either way it sound excellent. Btw I have a March build date.

Jack D is there a lip sync problem on all audio formats through analog, or just lossless? I have not experienced this problem yet but I do have full correction through my processor if nessesary. I also don't care about sd playback as I bought this unit for HD content.

I honestly don't know. All I know is that sometimes the magic works and sometimes it doesn't. Are you sure you have correction via analog with your procesor? Which processor do you have?

The only time I have a lip sync issue is right after I pause, and then un-pause a movie. But I can usually correct the problem by running the video back a bit, or hitting the chapter button to go back to the beginning of the chapter.

I honestly don't know. All I know is that sometimes the magic works and sometimes it doesn't. Are you sure you have correction via analog with your procesor? Which processor do you have?

Yes positive, its an Anthem AVM30. It also has full bass management and THX processing via analog input which is nice. Connected to 1095 Rotel amp driving Paradigm S8 speakers its a great combo. Btw I just finished watching The Patriot on Bluray, this is definite demo material.

The only time I have a lip sync issue is right after I pause, and then un-pause a movie. But I can usually correct the problem by running the video back a bit, or hitting the chapter button to go back to the beginning of the chapter.

Same here, not a big deal to me. It seems to happen just when I pause it to go in the other room. The way I fix it quickly is hit the stop button once(if you hit it twice it will restart everything) and then play again and it is syncs back up again. It doesn't always happen, but just wanted to let you know what you can do instead of rrw or ffw to fix it.

Jack, do you know where i can find that version of firmware because i cant seem to find it on the LG website. Thanks

Edit: Being stupid, i found it! sorry

No, you're not stupid; their way of labeling the updates is terrible. I had the same problem at first. I was looking right at it but there were too many numbers and letters.

Yes positive, its an Anthem AVM30. It also has full bass management and THX processing via analog input which is nice. Connected to 1095 Rotel amp driving Paradigm S8 speakers its a great combo. Btw I just finished watching The Patriot on Bluray, this is definite demo material.

I'm happy with my sound too (Meridian pre, Mac monobloc amps, BW 800D series speakers) it's just that the processor doesn't do correction in analog. I don't know why they would omit that feature on such a good processor.

Anyway, back on topic:

Hmm maybe you guys are on to something with the cause of the lip sync problems. I seem to remember, now that you mention it, that I have had the problem when I pause a movie. I'll try your solution the next time I notice the problem. thx.

Hmm maybe you guys are on to something with the cause of the lip sync problems. I seem to remember, now that you mention it, that I have had the problem when I pause a movie. I'll try your solution the next time I notice the problem. thx.
I have the same problem if I leave it paused for too long. Resuming normally results in lipsync being off. If it happens, a quick pause-unpause normally fixes it. I think it has something to do with spinning up the disc when there is some data in the read-buffer. Don't know if you noticed, but there is normally a small "skip" after you un-pause a disc that's been paused for a long time. I think that's the cause of the issue, and it should be easy to fix in the firmware. Maybe we should report it LG?

I have the same problem if I leave it paused for too long. Resuming normally results in lipsync being off. If it happens, a quick pause-unpause normally fixes it. I think it has something to do with spinning up the disc when there is some data in the read-buffer. Don't know if you noticed, but there is normally a small "skip" after you un-pause a disc that's been paused for a long time. I think that's the cause of the issue, and it should be easy to fix in the firmware. Maybe we should report it LG?

Sounds like a plausible explanation. Sure we should report it to LG. How? You'd think they would be monitoring a group like this but I guess we can't count on that.

Sounds like a plausible explanation. Sure we should report it to LG. How? You'd think they would be monitoring a group like this but I guess we can't count on that.


Dont worry you are being monitored and your issues are being sent to LG.

If they are monitoring this tread,They should get our wishlist for the future firmware upgrades.So,here is my short list:
1) Dolby True HD on HD DVD in 5.1
2) 1080P in 60Hz
3) Distance settings in Speaker settings

For number 3), I am not shure if that is possible,but for first and second,if Toshiba did it(number 2 in opposite direction), LG should do it as well.They are not small company without experience.

Add multichannel audio over HDMI to that list

If they are monitoring this tread,They should get our wishlist for the future firmware upgrades.So,here is my short list:
1) Dolby True HD on HD DVD in 5.1
2) 1080P in 60Hz
3) Distance settings in Speaker settings

For number 3), I am not shure if that is possible,but for first and second,if Toshiba did it(number 2 in opposite direction), LG should do it as well.They are not small company without experience.


This is being monitored not for a wish list but for problems on the user end. The 2nd generation BH100 will have additional features but that I have no say in.

FWIW,
I just spoke with "Juan" at LG service about an issue with Discovery HD DVD's locking up my BH100 and he said they are aware of this among "other" problems. Yes, another firmware up-grade is in the works. I tried to get an approxamate release time but no soap, "they are working on it".

This is being monitored not for a wish list but for problems on the user end. The 2nd generation BH100 will have additional features but that I have no say in.

It would be nice if the first generation owners were able to enjoy the additional features of the 2nd generation BH100. :)

It would be nice if the first generation owners were able to enjoy the additional features of the 2nd generation BH100. :)

You will when you buy the 2nd generation. :cool:

I see theres a new firmware up on the LG service website, looks like 11th July dated. As I dony have my BH100 yet does anyone know what it does?

I see theres a new firmware up on the LG service website, looks like 11th July dated. As I dony have my BH100 yet does anyone know what it does?

Good info. I haven't installed it yet but the fixes (copied from the LG site) are:

1. System hang-up, when it push the Stop key in JAVA loading
2. Black screen occurs, when it push the Stop key in system menu
3. It can't excute Game function in special feature, the "Pirates Of The Caribbean 2" Blu-ray title.
4. It can't excute "Slow" function in Blu-ray Disc.

Good info. I haven't installed it yet but the fixes (copied from the LG site) are:

1. System hang-up, when it push the Stop key in JAVA loading
2. Black screen occurs, when it push the Stop key in system menu
3. It can't excute Game function in special feature, the "Pirates Of The Caribbean 2" Blu-ray title.
4. It can't excute "Slow" function in Blu-ray Disc.


Good to see that LG is keeping this player up to date. :cool:

cool, so liar's dice will work now on the LG BH100 (i think this was the only blu-ray player that up till now didn't support liar's dice). this is good news, because it probably means overall the bd-java implementation on this machine is now much more robust for all other bd-java discs as well.

its also nice to see lg is serious about supporting the hardware.

Has anyone using a Mac (OS X) had any luck burning thr firmware download onto a readable disc that the BH100 can actually use? I've tried several different things and no dice so far.

Has anyone using a Mac (OS X) had any luck burning thr firmware download onto a readable disc that the BH100 can actually use? I've tried several different things and no dice so far.

I haven't used a mac in a long time but, from my limited experience burning with a PC, burning seems to be kind of quirky. Sometimes, you just have to try a different blank DVD, sometimes a different burn program does the trick. IIRC you have to make sure that you use either R+ or RW+ blank. I also had to switch burn programs. What finally worked for me was DVD decrypter.

FWIW, I decided to switch back to using a digital connection for sound. I watched a couple of movies since the switch and I have to say that I think the sound is better with the digital connection. I've got a great surround processor so I think it is just better to let the processor's DACs do the job instead of the LG even if I can't take full advantage of the new HD sound formats.

susanandmark,
I've had success using Toast to burn the .iso to a DVD-RW. It has worked perfectly for me twice now. For whatever reason, The .iso will not mount from the Finder in OS X.

toho

toho ... Thanks, I don't have Toast and was hoping there was a way to burn without buying an $80 program I don't otherwise need/want. I've tried several discs, and several ways to burn (via Terminal command for UDF, using Burnz, using Disk Utility, etc.) and several different discs, all with no luck.

Oh well, I do have two other questions ... I also have the LG R99 (I think that's the right model number) the upconverting DVD recorder/VCR. I know it got very mixed reviews, here and elsewhere, but it was a good price and it really does do a nice job with all my old video tapes (non-commerical), upconverting for a much better picture. The recorder works well too, from what I've found so far. The problem is my Harmony remote controls BOTH the LG machines. Any way to fix this? (I know some let you set a remote code, but I don't see that option, at least not an obvious one, for the LG units.)

Lastly, about sound ... I was having audio dropouts on some (commerical) discs (not all) with the LG R99 using digital optical out (going through a Yamaha RX2700), so I switched to HDMI only (already using it for video) and that seemed to solve it. So, when I hooked up the BH100, I just used the HDMI cable. Was that a bad idea? Am I losing out on anything by doing it that way?

FWIW, I decided to switch back to using a digital connection for sound. I watched a couple of movies since the switch and I have to say that I think the sound is better with the digital connection. I've got a great surround processor so I think it is just better to let the processor's DACs do the job instead of the LG even if I can't take full advantage of the new HD sound formats.

Realy? Do you find it sounds better than an uncompressed track? I use digital only when there is no uncompressed audio track available. As your probably correct that the DACS in the LG are inferior to that in our pre pros, I think it would be difficult to match the sound of an uncompressed track.

Realy? Do you find it sounds better than an uncompressed track? I use digital only when there is no uncompressed audio track available. As your probably correct that the DACS in the LG are inferior to that in our pre pros, I think it would be difficult to match the sound of an uncompressed track.

1. Do that many movies actually have one of the true HD audio formats? I can't recall seeing it available all that much.

2. The Matrix series in HD DVD has only a DD+ track and even with only the core tracks being sent through digital those movies sounded better than with the analog connection which seems to use the additional sound tracks.

3. I suppose having both analog and digital set up so you can switch between them is best. I just don't know if I want to hassle with that. If you have both sets of cables attached to the LG how do you control which is being used? I don't recall there being an option to choose between the two in the setup menu. You can just specify a few variables for digital like bitstream or PCM and the bit rate. And you can choose if you have two speakers or 5.1.

1. Do that many movies actually have one of the true HD audio formats? I can't recall seeing it available all that much.

2. The Matrix series in HD DVD has only a DD+ track and even with only the core tracks being sent through digital those movies sounded better than with the analog connection which seems to use the additional sound tracks.

3. I suppose having both analog and digital set up so you can switch between them is best. I just don't know if I want to hassle with that. If you have both sets of cables attached to the LG how do you control which is being used? I don't recall there being an option to choose between the two in the setup menu. You can just specify a few variables for digital like bitstream or PCM and the bit rate. And you can choose if you have two speakers or 5.1.

I was speaking of Bluray titles most of which have uncompressed audio tracks. I would also agree that with Dolby Digtal tracks (lossy) using the Digital output sounds better on my Anthem prepro. As to how I can compare, I just switch the audio during the movie and then switch between digital and analog on the procesor. Comparing uncompressed pcm to any lossy track there is no contest. On tracks like Dolby + or DTS HD the differecnces are subtle.

Realy? Do you find it sounds better than an uncompressed track? I use digital only when there is no uncompressed audio track available. As your probably correct that the DACS in the LG are inferior to that in our pre pros, I think it would be difficult to match the sound of an uncompressed track.

Updated to the 7/11/7 fimware and noticed improvement in the analog output. LPCM 5.1 is now without pops.

way to go LG...

I was speaking of Bluray titles most of which have uncompressed audio tracks. I would also agree that with Dolby Digtal tracks (lossy) using the Digital output sounds better on my Anthem prepro. As to how I can compare, I just switch the audio during the movie and then switch between digital and analog on the procesor. Comparing uncompressed pcm to any lossy track there is no contest. On tracks like Dolby + or DTS HD the differecnces are subtle.

But what is happening at the level of the LG? Is it outputting to both analog and digital? Woudln't that affect the SQ?

toho ... Thanks, I don't have Toast and was hoping there was a way to burn without buying an $80 program I don't otherwise need/want.

I did the update today. I had to buy 'MagicISO'. It was $30.00. I also hated spending the money (pissed me off that Nero 7 wouldn't do it). But Magic ISO worked. I was having trouble getting a BD movie to play. After the firmware update, the movie played fine.

Part of the cost of being on the bleeding edge, I guess.

But what is happening at the level of the LG? Is it outputting to both analog and digital? Woudln't that affect the SQ?

I believe it always outputs both no matter what.

Anyone notice BestBuy is selling this this week with 10 free titles no need to mail in. it's on front page of their website.

I would be really happy if it could be updated to output 5.1 pcm over hdmi, i wonder if it will ever happen?

I would be really happy if it could be updated to output 5.1 pcm over hdmi, i wonder if it will ever happen?

I think it needs the extra bandwidth of HDMI 1.3 to do that. Will it ever happen? I don't know. I don't know why it is taking so long for all companies to implement 1.3. I wonder if it will be in the second gen LG? And then do we get no upgrade path? Who knows?

I think it needs the extra bandwidth of HDMI 1.3 to do that. Will it ever happen? I don't know. I don't know why it is taking so long for all companies to implement 1.3. I wonder if it will be in the second gen LG? And then do we get no upgrade path? Who knows?


you dont need HDMI 1.3 to output 5.1 PCM

No, every other HD player outputs 5.1 PCM on HDMI, why doesnt this one?

Oh ok. Thanks for disabusing me of that notion. Then it is a good question. I suppose if all other HD players do pcm then it has something to do with the fact that this one is basically a BR player and the HD part was added as an after thought. This is what accounts for the lack of iHD. Maybe same thing with pcm 5.1

Well all BD players, as far as I know, can do it as well. Just seems like a strange omission. Its the one feature that would make this a complete player for me, i have no use for ihd - just want to play hd dvd and blu-ray movies to the highest standard

Well all BD players, as far as I know, can do it as well. Just seems like a strange omission. Its the one feature that would make this a complete player for me, i have no use for ihd - just want to play hd dvd and blu-ray movies to the highest standard

Hmm. Even more odd then.

I'm still not convinced that even with analog the sound is as good as it should be. I guess I have to be a bit more rigorous in my listening. I suppose I should just hook up both analog and digital and then do an A/B listen to a disc with one of the HD audio formats.

I did the update today. I had to buy 'MagicISO'. It was $30.00. I also hated spending the money (pissed me off that Nero 7 wouldn't do it). But Magic ISO worked. I was having trouble getting a BD movie to play. After the firmware update, the movie played fine.

Part of the cost of being on the bleeding edge, I guess.

Nero will burn it, you have to select file -> open -> image files (*.iso) and direct it to the disc_update_070711b_kernel_0203a.iso file. Click BURN and you're done...

Nero will burn it, you have to select file -> open -> image files (*.iso) and direct it to the disc_update_070711b_kernel_0203a.iso file. Click BURN and you're done...

I tried that 3 times. All three times, Nero acted like it burned it. But afterwards, there was nothing on the disc.

I tried that 3 times. All three times, Nero acted like it burned it. But afterwards, there was nothing on the disc.

Did you maybe have simulation checked?

Did you maybe have simulation checked?

I couldn't find anything to check as far as simulation. However, after double checking for that, I found that there is a drop down menu option in which "Image" is the default. Below the "Image" option, is the writeable DVD drive option. So I bet all I was doing was writing to an "Image" file on the hard drive, instead of the actual writeable DVD.

Now I really feel like I wasted $30.00.

Just a heads up up for those of you having trouble burning the software updates, just call the customer service line on their website and they'll send you the update disc free. I've recieved two already and they've worked great.

Just a heads up up for those of you having trouble burning the software updates, just call the customer service line on their website and they'll send you the update disc free. I've recieved two already and they've worked great.

Well, now that I have already spent the money, and have figured it out, it's no big deal. The next firmware update will be a piece of cake. However, those that don't have DVD burning capabilities will surely benifit from being able to get a disc from LG.

I just picked this up today with my 10 free movies. Am I correct in understanding that I can't use the lossless pcm over HDMI with my Pioneer Elite receiver? What's the point then?

I just picked this up today with my 10 free movies. Am I correct in understanding that I can't use the lossless pcm over HDMI with my Pioneer Elite receiver? What's the point then?

See post 266 for the way that it handles the various sound formats. Or take a look at your manual toward the back--you will see the same table. It ain't perfect for sure.

I just wanted to say that I have the Australian model Bh-100 running the HDMI out put (only) into my VP30 set to pass through mode.When I watch a blu-ray and set the Bh-100 to PCM out put, through the HDMI into my VP30,in the vp30's config menu it reports that audio is PCM 5.1).I am then out putting coax from VP30 to processor I dont have a HDMI processor.When I try dolby audio it dosent sound any where near as good as set to PCM on a BLU-RAY disc, except pcm(5.1) is not as loud as when set to dolby(5.1).I do realise that the VP30 is converting PCM to bit stream so its not the full deal.Point being VP30 says PCM audio in its config menu when I set the blu disc to PCM out put (HDMI)

I just wanted to say that I have the Australian model Bh-100 running the HDMI out put (only) into my VP30 set to pass through mode.When I watch a blu-ray and set the Bh-100 to PCM out put, through the HDMI into my VP30,in the vp30's config menu it reports that audio is PCM 5.1).I am then out putting coax from VP30 to processor I dont have a HDMI processor.When I try dolby audio it dosent sound any where near as good as set to PCM on a BLU-RAY disc, except pcm(5.1) is not as loud as when set to dolby(5.1).I do realise that the VP30 is converting PCM to bit stream so its not the full deal.Point being VP30 says PCM audio in its config menu when I set the blu disc to PCM out put (HDMI)


I see that the point you are making is that you verified that PCM 5.1 is being sent but I wonder why you go through the trouble of sending the audio to your VP30 and then to the reciever via coax when you could just send it directly from the LG to the reciever? It might help the sound quality to avoid the step of sending it to the VP30; even though the VP30 is supposed to pass through only, you never know if it has an effect on the SQ.

I see that the point you are making is that you verified that PCM 5.1 is being sent but I wonder why you go through the trouble of sending the audio to your VP30 and then to the reciever via coax when you could just send it directly from the LG to the reciever? It might help the sound quality to avoid the step of sending it to the VP30; even though the VP30 is supposed to pass through only, you never know if it has an effect on the SQ.

I was wondering the same thing. I have a VP-30 as well. But I don't use it in any way, shape, or form in conjunction with my LG player. I run the audio direct to my Surround Processor, and the Video direct to my 1080p projector.

I have it set up this way because I have A pioneer DV-59avi dvd player(HDMI)out to vp30 for sd,BH-100(HDMI)out to vp30,then out put coax from vp30 to the processor's 1 coax input.I have also tried the analogs out of the bh-100 to my processor which work fine(sound excellent)but at this stage I have my dvd/hd players and vp 30 under neath my crt projector so I dont like 6 cables running along the floor of my cinema,as all my other cabling run under the floor.

I was wondering the same thing. I have a VP-30 as well. But I don't use it in any way, shape, or form in conjunction with my LG player. I run the audio direct to my Surround Processor, and the Video direct to my 1080p projector.

I run my LG for video through my crystalio 3800. I do it because: (i) it obviates the need for more cables going to my plasma; and (ii) I've got 1:1 mapping between the CII and the plasma but it's at a slightly odd resolution and the LG wouldn't do that. The 1:1 gives better PQ than if I just ran the LG directly to the plasma.

I have it set up this way because I have A pioneer DV-59avi dvd player(HDMI)out to vp30 for sd,BH-100(HDMI)out to vp30,then out put coax from vp30 to the processor's 1 coax input.I have also tried the analogs out of the bh-100 to my processor which work fine(sound excellent)but at this stage I have my dvd/hd players and vp 30 under neath my crt projector so I dont like 6 cables running along the floor of my cinema,as all my other cabling run under the floor.

So basically you are using the VP30 as a switcher for the audio. Makes sense as long as it doesn't cause SQ deterioration.

Hi JACK D. I run my sd dvd @5761 out hdmi (DV-59avi)to vp30 out put hdmi @720p75hz/Bh-100 hdmi out vp30 pass through.It may well affect the audio running through vp30 but for DTS there is picture/sound sync issuses unless I use the vp30's audio delay.When I get a new HDMI sound processor with audio delay I will then bypass vp30 for audio

So are we saying that the BH100 does 5.1 PCM through HDMI now?

when I set the blu-disc to PCM audio through HDMI to my VP30 the vp's config menu is stating that it is receiving PCM audio.So yes my australian model BH-100 is sending PCM(5.1)out through it's HDMI.My BH-100 build date is april 07/sw ver:bh/01070413a/pkg114. which is 4/13/07. RE:Jason

is it definitely 5.1 and not 2.0?

I was thinking because of the way I have my set up/HDMI out BH100 set to PCM audio on blu-disc,then to vp30,then out coax from vp30.Maybe because I am converting PCM to bit stream inside vp30 and then out putting to my sound processor(I am definitely getting 5.1 out of my processor when blu-disc is set to PCM)But is it possible that the BH100 is sending 2 channel PCM and when the vp30 convert's this to bit stream my sound processor is able to get 5.1 from this.I dont think this is the case Because the vp30's config menu is stating PCM audio and my processor could not get 5.1 bit stream from 2 channel PCM.AS stated in above posts I dont have a HDMI sound processor to be 100 percent but I am 99 percent shore that my BH-100 is sending PCM 5.1 please RE read my above post's on the way I have my system set up.

Has anyone else had problems with their player when it comes to standard dvd's? Mine keeps freezing and then saying disc error. It's done this on all my standard dvd's. It's getting very frustrating. Can anything be done? I'd appreciate any help. Thanks.

Has anyone else had problems with their player when it comes to standard dvd's? Mine keeps freezing and then saying disc error. It's done this on all my standard dvd's. It's getting very frustrating. Can anything be done? I'd appreciate any help. Thanks.

I play my SD DVDs on a diferent player so I don't know about problems with SD DVDs, but one thing that you should definitely do is make sure you have the latest firmware. We are up to July 11, 2007 as the latest version.

I play my SD DVDs on a diferent player so I don't know about problems with SD DVDs, but one thing that you should definitely do is make sure you have the latest firmware. We are up to July 11, 2007 as the latest version.

Ditto that. I have watched one standard DVD on my LG. I did it to compare against my standard DVD setup. Since I use an external video processor with my standard DVD, it does a slightly better job of upscaling than the LG does.

Thanks guys, I appreciate the input. I have all the firmware (actually, waiting on the july 11 one) and none have seemed to help with this problem. What were the first two supposed to correct anyway?

Has any one used this with a Marquee that has the new Moome VIM-HD card? I cant get it to output 1080p just 720p and 1080i I have it going to a lumagen HDQ and have the edid set to pass on the lumagen. I also posted on the crt forum.

Athanasios

The Lumagen needs to have EDID set to EXT+ for the BH100 to enable 1080/24p. Make sure the Lumagen software is current.

Ahhh that could be it i need to update the software! What version should it be and how do i check it. Thanks Barry

Athanasios

http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=updates_latest

32507 is current.

I bought the LG and connected to a SONY SXRD XBR2. When setting the resolution in the player, I could not get 1080p to work.yet all other resolutions would. I got an on screen message, unsupported signal, check output device. The SONY accepts 1080p via HDMI. I took back to store, had them download the latest firmware and then test on a SONY 40" LCD XBR2. Same message. Talked with SONY and LG and found that the player will output 24 and 30fps, not 60. The SONYs require 60fps. Had to return the player. Will have to wait and get the new Samsung which outputs 24 and/or 60fps. Anyone else run into this problem where the highest res. you could get was 1080i from either format (actually the player)?

Ive got the lastest 11th July firmware and im still getting bad lip syncing on PCM on blu-ray, all the other codecs seem fine, i wonder why it has a problem with PCM and whether it can be fixed in firmware

I bought the LG and connected to a SONY SXRD XBR2. When setting the resolution in the player, I could not get 1080p to work.yet all other resolutions would. I got an on screen message, unsupported signal, check output device. The SONY accepts 1080p via HDMI. I took back to store, had them download the latest firmware and then test on a SONY 40" LCD XBR2. Same message. Talked with SONY and LG and found that the player will output 24 and 30fps, not 60. The SONYs require 60fps. Had to return the player. Will have to wait and get the new Samsung which outputs 24 and/or 60fps. Anyone else run into this problem where the highest res. you could get was 1080i from either format (actually the player)?

Anyone who does not have a display that can accept 1080p24, or who does not have an external video processor in the chain that can, will run into the same problem.

Ive got the lastest 11th July firmware and im still getting bad lip syncing on PCM on blu-ray, all the other codecs seem fine, i wonder why it has a problem with PCM and whether it can be fixed in firmware

You are using analog audio connections? If so, it happens, although there is discussion earlier in this thread that seems to indicate the problem is related to using the pause button and the fix, IIRC, is to hit the stop button. Alternatively, if your processor has a lip sync adjustment for the analog inputs you can resolve any problems that way too.

I also have sync problems via HDMI once in awhile but only when I Pause the LG.
I've found "cycling" Audio through all the choices back to the chosen audio track corrects lag everytime.

Just finished setting up my LG to the lumagen then to my Moome hdmi card for my Marqee 8000. wow! best pic from my projector so far !

As for audio sync probs , non so far with the analog outs to my adcom. great sound and now true HD is out put on HD-DVD's. I love this player. next i'm going to compare its sd dvd playback VS my gary Murell SDI modded dennon 1600.


Athanasios

Just finished setting up my LG to the lumagen then to my Moome hdmi card for my Marqee 8000. wow! best pic from my projector so far !

As for audio sync probs , non so far with the analog outs to my adcom. great sound and now true HD is out put on HD-DVD's. I love this player. next i'm going to compare its sd dvd playback VS my gary Murell SDI modded dennon 1600.


Athanasios

I'm willing to bet you that your SDI-modded Denon will do a better job on SD DVDs than the LG. If it's like mine the PQ is close to HD running SDI to my Crystalio II VP.

Just finished setting up my LG to the lumagen then to my Moome hdmi card for my Marqee 8000. wow! best pic from my projector so far !

As for audio sync probs , non so far with the analog outs to my adcom. great sound and now true HD is out put on HD-DVD's. I love this player. next i'm going to compare its sd dvd playback VS my gary Murell SDI modded dennon 1600.


Athanasios

So you are getting TruHD on Hd Dvd? What did you do to achieve that, I was under the impression that wasnt possible?

So you are getting TruHD on Hd Dvd? What did you do to achieve that, I was under the impression that wasnt possible?

See post #266. It's possible with a BR DVD but not with an HD DVD via analog.

See post #266. It's possible with a BR DVD but not with an HD DVD via analog.

Oh ok I knew it could for Bluray but the poster stated for Hddvd. Oh well got excited for nothing.

Oh ok I knew it could for Bluray but the poster stated for Hddvd. Oh well got excited for nothing.

Oh right. I didn't read the post carefully enough. Yeah, I don't see how he could be getting TrueHD with HDDVD if the LG manual says that the player does not have this functionality.

Maybe the LG BH100 can out put TrueHD for HDDVD with the latest firmware,My owners manual states that the BH100 wont pass PCM over HDMI for blu-rays but my Australian model is doing it so my manual is wrong in this case.I would not take the owners manual as gosbel because the firmware up dates can change audio specs like other HD players.The problem with LG is they dont state much about what the latest firmware up dates change.
I hope this helps.
:Jason

Maybe the LG BH100 can out put TrueHD for HDDVD with the latest firmware,My owners manual states that the BH100 wont pass PCM over HDMI for blu-rays but my Australian model is doing it so my manual is wrong in this case.I would not take the owners manual as gosbel because the firmware up dates can change audio specs like other HD players.The problem with LG is they dont state much about what the latest firmware up dates change.
I hope this helps.
:Jason

That woud be pretty lame of LG to include a major audio upgrade in the new firmware and not tell anyone. I suppose it's possible. :)

I agree Jack it dosent make much sense but LG don,t say to much in the way of there firmware up grade specs, I no the early toshiba HDDVD players could'nt do trueHD untill the firemware upgrade, and that spec (trueHD)was not in the toshiba HD players owners manual.I guess I should up grade my BH100 to the latest firmware to be shore of trueHD audio for HDDVD but I havent got my hopes up to high.
:Jason

I agree Jack it dosent make much sense but LG don,t say to much in the way of there firmware up grade specs, I no the early toshiba HDDVD players could'nt do trueHD untill the firemware upgrade, and that spec (trueHD)was not in the toshiba HD players owners manual.I guess I should up grade my BH100 to the latest firmware to be shore of trueHD audio for HDDVD but I havent got my hopes up to high.
:Jason

You know what's bad? I've installed the new firmware but I haven't even tested the analog audio since then. At some point a while ago I pulled all my analog cables and have been using just digital out. I have to go back and install all the cables again. Just laziness but I haven't been watching many movies lately any way. Nothing good has been coming out on BR or HD!!

You know what's bad? I've installed the new firmware but I haven't even tested the analog audio since then. At some point a while ago I pulled all my analog cables and have been using just digital out. I have to go back and install all the cables again. Just laziness but I haven't been watching many movies lately any way. Nothing good has been coming out on BR or HD!!

The latest firmware upgrade didn't do anything to change the subwoofer issue with my analog audio. So I'm still using the digital coax. However, I'm thinking that the issue might be more with my Surround Processor, than maybe the LG.

I do agree about not much out on BR or HD.To me the digital out on the BH100 holds its own/sounds excellent a lot better than most SD dvd players let alone with your pre pro set up.I tried the analog out,s but pulled them and stuck with HDMI for picture/audio for now.

Rutgar your not alone with the analog outputs I noteced that my subs were almost non existent may be our processors are not boosting the analog sub input by 10db like the digital input dose.I can boost the db on my analog inputs,so I did that for the subs but still did not do much.What about you Jack D did you notice this sub problem when running the analogs.

Rutgar your not alone with the analog outputs I noteced that my subs were almost non existent may be our processors are not boosting the analog sub input by 10db like the digital input dose.I can boost the db on my analog inputs,so I did that for the subs but still did not do much.What about you Jack D did you notice this sub problem when running the analogs.

No but, as I said, I have to go back and reconnect the analog and do some more listening. Also my pre-processor allows control of the SW channel trims. Does yours?

Ok i had a weird problem and not sure if it is the LG or my Lumagen scaler. when watching blu -ray my lumagen is set to take the 1080p24sf and then out puts it at 1080p48 to my marquee with moome cards. But when i just tried playing a new HD-DVD the Contract the lumagen changes its input to 1080i and then outputs at 940p? :o I dont know why or how this happens. I went back into the LG's menue and 1080i was sected so i set it to 1080p and restarted the disc, well it went back on the lumagen to 1080i60 so i went back to check the LG and it was still at 1080p?

what is going on? any one else use the lumagen with their LG?

Athanasios

With the latest firmware the LG definitely doesnty pass 5.1 PCM over HDMI or do TrueHD for HD DVD, sorry to disappoint anyone. Hopefully LG can fix this in a firmware upgrade otherwise I'll be buying the Samsung.

Well i tried other HD-DVD titles i have and this only happens with "the contract". It shows on the LG player 1080p output setting but my lumagen shows 1080i60 input and then automaticly outputs to my marqee 960p. weird my three other hd -dvd s don't do this or the blue rays must be a weird transfer.

Athanasios

With the latest firmware the LG definitely doesnty pass 5.1 PCM over HDMI or do TrueHD for HD DVD, sorry to disappoint anyone. Hopefully LG can fix this in a firmware upgrade otherwise I'll be buying the Samsung.

Probably just better to wait for Samsung at this point in time anyway. LGs day has passed.

Probably just better to wait for Samsung at this point in time anyway. LGs day has passed.

Assuming the Samsung does 24P for HD DVD which as yet is not certain

if it doesnt output 1080p24 what's the use......

Or wait for the new LG combo which will have full HD-DVD support.

Or wait for the new LG combo which will have full HD-DVD support.

2nd generation will support this and 24/60. Not sure about any of the audio features.

2nd generation will support this and 24/60. Not sure about any of the audio features.

Good point! I do like the Samsung's 7.1 analog outputs as my Halo C2 just happens to have... wait for it.... wait for it... thats right, 7.1 analog inputs! :D

...my Halo C2 just happens to have... wait for it.... wait for it... thats right, 7.1 analog inputs! :D

Only 1 set though. Good thing it's a multi blue.

Or wait for the new LG combo which will have full HD-DVD support.
How much will it cost? I'm on a pre-order for a BH100 for $579, but if the new unit is under $700, it might be worth it.

Any chance LG could boost the BH100 subwoofer output BY +10 dB with simply a firmware change ?

Have any of y'all fooled around with 5.1 24/96 PCM from the analog outputs ? I got the "Chris Botti live" Blu-ray disc and occasionally have problems with bursts of static; sometimes annoying enough to trigger the amps' protection circuits.

thx

Any chance LG could boost the BH100 subwoofer output BY +10 dB with simply a firmware change ?

I'm pretty sure there is a test white noise setting in the LG for adjusting the surround sound, i saw it somewhere messing around with the features.

Athanasios

Hi, i've been following the hd saga from back in the 90's. We have an old mitsubishi 73 diamond rear projection w/ the firewire just to give u perspective.

Anyway, I recently w/ my father (no idea of the emerging technology) to go buy a flat panel television and subsequently while in the BB store, proceeded to get mesemerized by Hi def DVD.

We ended up buying the Samsung LNT 4061F at 1499, and the LGH dual player. Now I read the forums here regarding the LGH lack of features for the audio support (and did read about it on the advertising label in the store), as well lack of support for the HD DVD features. However, I didn't understand the full ramifications and the details of the new Audio standards coming out (True HD, DTS Master Audio, etc.)

My question is should we return the LGH dual? (I think after reading the forums, the answer is yes). We have not opened either the TV or the DVD player box yet, as we just purchased yesterday night. However, I am inclined to go down and return the DVD player at least.

What is the best thing to do at this pt w/ money not being a reasonable object? Should we wait for the new Dual players coming out? or just hunker down w/ BluRay only player available in the BB store? (I was thinking of exchaning the player for either the Samsung or Sony BD player).

Also, how is the TV we selected? I wanted my dad to purchase the LNT 4066F Samsung, just because it seemed like the latest model and all. What i Samsung's top of the line flat panel for those who have it on this particular forum? is it w/ a 81 designation in the model number?

Thanks again for your time and support. I really want to be covered for the future and not need to have to upgrade w/in a year or 2 again. What is the best Hi Def player to get at this point? the new Samsung, or ?

Best,

We ended up buying the Samsung LNT 4061F at 1499, and the LGH dual player. Now I read the forums here regarding the LGH lack of features for the audio support (and did read about it on the advertising label in the store), as well lack of support for the HD DVD features. However, I didn't understand the full ramifications and the details of the new Audio standards coming out (True HD, DTS Master Audio, etc.)

My question is should we return the LGH dual? (I think after reading the forums, the answer is yes). We have not opened either the TV or the DVD player box yet, as we just purchased yesterday night. However, I am inclined to go down and return the DVD player at least.

What is the best thing to do at this pt w/ money not being a reasonable object? Should we wait for the new Dual players coming out? or just hunker down w/ BluRay only player available in the BB store? (I was thinking of exchaning the player for either the Samsung or Sony BD player).

Also, how is the TV we selected? I wanted my dad to purchase the LNT 4066F Samsung, just because it seemed like the latest model and all. What i Samsung's top of the line flat panel for those who have it on this particular forum? is it w/ a 81 designation in the model number?

Thanks again for your time and support. I really want to be covered for the future and not need to have to upgrade w/in a year or 2 again. What is the best Hi Def player to get at this point? the new Samsung, or ?

Best,

Well friend, you should probably do some research before you go out on the rampage and start buying stuff. :)


Anyway, should you return the LG? Depends on how impatient you are to have both BR and HD capability now. There is no other option at the moment but there will be at least two more by the end of this year (probably). A new version of the LG and a Samsung. Both should be better than the BH100. So if you can stand to wait maybe you should wait. If you can't wait, well I have been reasonably pleased with my purchase. It's not perfect but it has allowed me to get whatever comes out in high def regardless of the format. The PQ is good.....

As for the flat panel, you should go post and read in the flat panel fourms. :)

My question is should we return the LGH dual? (I think after reading the forums, the answer is yes). We have not opened either the TV or the DVD player box yet, as we just purchased yesterday night. However, I am inclined to go down and return the DVD player at least.

You bought the LG BH100 just weeks before it drops to $579? Definitely return it and then save yourself a few bucks when it goes on sale.

You bought the LG BH100 just weeks before it drops to $579? Definitely return it and then save yourself a few bucks when it goes on sale.

I have not seen any "proof" that this player will be at $579 in a few weeks. BB/CC/Ultimate will show online and instore for around $900-1000 still.

Do you have any source links, etc. that explain otherwise?

I have not seen any "proof" that this player will be at $579 in a few weeks. BB/CC/Ultimate will show online and instore for around $900-1000 still.

Do you have any source links, etc. that explain otherwise?

Here's the link to the website of my local dealer. On September 16 he says he will put up the $200 off PDF. Since his price is $779, subtract $200 and you end up with the BH100 for $579.

$579 LG BH100 Link (http://www.criticallistener.com/buynow/superspecials.aspx)

After going to the LG website I found four updates. Which one(s) do I need? What do they all do?

Any help would be greatly appreciated,
SpaceTraveler

Download the firmware at the top of the list of LG's web page for firmware update's
(program update for BH100 series/world wide/14,540k) The 703k directly under the above firmware is the pdf for how to burn the firmware to A dvd.
RE:Jason.

Here's the link to the website of my local dealer. On September 16 he says he will put up the $200 off PDF. Since his price is $779, subtract $200 and you end up with the BH100 for $579.

$579 LG BH100 Link (http://www.criticallistener.com/buynow/superspecials.aspx)

Well I guess this was just FUD. I checked the link today 9/16/07 @ 7:58am CST and the price is still $779!

Well I guess this was just FUD. I checked the link today 9/16/07 @ 7:58am CST and the price is still $779!

The rebate is there on the site.

The rebate is there on the site.


Be sure to read the fine print on the rebate form before you make your purchase........

Purchases made from unauthorized or non-participating dealers will be denied. Many large regional and national dealers may be excluded from this offer. For example, purchases made at Best Buy and Circuit City are excluded from this offer. Please contact these retailers for their special offers and availability on LG products.

Guess that's why in today's paper BB has the BH100 for $799 & CompUSA has it for $750. There is no mention of a gift card at BB. I would check with any retailer to see if they are a retailer that LG will accept the rebate from.

PLUS get $200 more off our low price if you purchase between September 16 - 30, 2007
Click here to download the $200 LG BH100 Rebate

The link is there.

Who has the list of "authorized or participating dealers"????

Who has the list of "authorized or participating dealers"????


Good question - probably in a secure place in the LG headquarters!! :rolleyes:

I would also like to know where the best price is. In summary this player is now playing audio and video without hickup in both formats? Seems like most of you are happy with the July 11 firmware.
I have an older meridian audio system so good coaxial audio support is all I need.
I have a Sharp xv-z10000 so 1080i or 720p should be enough video.
Thanks,
Sam

Found this on the bottom of the rebate form.
Please visit www.LGusa.com/promotions or call 1-866-383-8141 to find an eligible participating authorized dealer near you.
I don't see this promotion listed there yet so I bought it from the link provided above. I'll keep you all posted! Thanks for all the info.
Sam

I would also like to know where the best price is. In summary this player is now playing audio and video without hickup in both formats? Seems like most of you are happy with the July 11 firmware.
I have an older meridian audio system so good coaxial audio support is all I need.
I have a Sharp xv-z10000 so 1080i or 720p should be enough video.
Thanks,
Sam


Study the table in post 266 for audio formats. The digital output does not support all the new "HD" formats. Analog connections are the best way to go if the new audio formats are really important to you.

Yeah basically the player is fine. It's not perfect. The question you have to ask yourself at this point is if it is worth it to get one of these now or wait for the next generation. Playing the waiting game can be frustrating but it might make sense..........Of course if you wait for the new ones you will pay top dollar whereas it appears you can now get the BH100 for a reasonably good price.

Reading many of my posts from the last six months and anyone could tell I was a very big proponent of Blu-Ray. Well I just picked up my player yesterday and I'm VERY happy being neutral. The first movie I watched was Children of Men and I have to say it was first rate (the movie wasn't half bad either :) ).

For under $600 bucks I think this, NOT the PS3, is the bargain in high definition.

sticky

Found this on the bottom of the rebate form.
Please visit www.LGusa.com/promotions or call 1-866-383-8141 to find an eligible participating authorized dealer near you.
I don't see this promotion listed there yet so I bought it from the link provided above. I'll keep you all posted! Thanks for all the info.
Sam

I just called the number above and spoke to an LG customer service representative that indicated this is NOT a valid couupon??????

I just called the number above and spoke to an LG customer service representative that indicated this is NOT a valid couupon??????
What's not valid? You can go right to the LG website and download the PDF from there:
http://us.lge.com/md/product/promotion.jsp
It's the 5th one down from the top.

What's not valid? You can go right to the LG website and download the PDF from there:
http://us.lge.com/md/product/promotion.jsp
It's the 5th one down from the top.

Sorry - just repeating what the CSR said.

Sorry - just repeating what the CSR said.
No reason to apologize for poorly trained reps. I've gotten a bunch of PM's asking for the link so here it is:

$579 LG BH100 Player (http://www.criticallistener.com/buynow/superspecials.aspx)

It ends September 30.

No reason to apologize for poorly trained reps. I've gotten a bunch of PM's asking for the link so here it is:

$579 LG BH100 Player (http://www.criticallistener.com/buynow/superspecials.aspx)

It ends September 30.

sorry -- just delete my PM -- thanks for the info!

might add that shipping is $27.50

Free shipping from Beach Camera + rebate form listed.

has anyone has issues with the bh100 not playing hd dvds?
i ordered heroes season one on hd dvd and the first disk played
but the second one does not. the menu shows one track of 0:00 length.

i took the dvd to my local ultimate electronics and the same thing happened
with their bh100. i put the disk in a toshiba(?) hd dvd player and it worked
just fine.

again, has anyone seen this behavior with other hd dvds?
is this something lg will address?

thanks
ljk

has anyone has issues with the bh100 not playing hd dvds?
i ordered heroes season one on hd dvd and the first disk played
but the second one does not. the menu shows one track of 0:00 length.

i took the dvd to my local ultimate electronics and the same thing happened
with their bh100. i put the disk in a toshiba(?) hd dvd player and it worked
just fine.

again, has anyone seen this behavior with other hd dvds?
is this something lg will address?

thanks
ljk

Have you updated the firmware to the latest version?

I have played more HD-DVD's than BLU-RAY's in my BH100, it has always played flawlesly with both types of HD blu disk's.I have never tried SD DVD's in the player nor have I tried the HD-DVD you refer to.

So is there a way to get the LG $200.00 rebate AND the Sony free movie promo (5 free Blue Ray discs with purchase of a Blue Ray player)

Curious if anyone has worked this out, as both promo's require UPC codes off the box?

Also, which of the UPC codes is required for the LG rebate?

Thanks!

So is there a way to get the LG $200.00 rebate AND the Sony free movie promo (5 free Blue Ray discs with purchase of a Blue Ray player)

Curious if anyone has worked this out, as both promo's require UPC codes off the box?

Also, which of the UPC codes is required for the LG rebate?

Thanks!

The LG rebate form says you only need to send them a copy of the UPC, and not the original.

http://us.lge.com/download/banner/108172741807-185%20September%20BH100%20Rebate%20_Mail-in%20form_.pdf

Have you updated the firmware to the latest version?

i called the lg 800 number on the manual. they told me there where no firmware
upgrades that would fix the problem i was having. i asked that they send me
the latest firmware version anyway. i applied it last weekend and it did fix something. i can now view the heroes hd dvd.

thanks
ljk

please someone help me my LG don'ty play the new title from fox "THE Day after tomorow"

please someone help me my LG don'ty play the new title from fox "THE Day after tomorow"

Make sure that you have the latest firmware.

please someone help me my LG don'ty play the new title from fox "THE Day after tomorow"

I think we need a new firmware update from LG ,i'm having the same problem with this title:mad:

I have the newest firmware but the player do not play "The Day After Tomorrow" and i think that it's maybe because this new title from Fox have BD+ , so friends i would like to advise you that you pay attetion when you buy a tittle with BD+ until LG put another firmware that make a solution for this problem. I do not know how inform LG Suport about this problem , so if someone can email them i thank.

(sorry for my bad english but i'm not north american)

I have the newest firmware but the player do not play "The Day After Tomorrow" and i think that it's maybe because this new title from Fox have BD+ , so friends i would like to advise you that you pay attetion when you buy a tittle with BD+ until LG put another firmware that make a solution for this problem. I do not know how inform LG Suport about this problem , so if someone can email them i thank.

(sorry for my bad english but i'm not north american)

you should call the 800 number on the manual that came with the player.
also you can email their tech support. i would advise doing both.

try this url:

http://us.lgservice.com/

Just curious, in a window-shopping way: apart from The Day After Tomorrow and Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer, are there any other discs the BH100 as a rule doesn't generally like?

What is the latest firmware version for the LG BH100 ? I guess another way to ask has ANYBODY successfully played back either "Day After Tomorrow" or "Fantastic Four Silver Surfer" on their BH100 ? I'm reaching for the moon hoping there are firmware versions out there which might support playback of the aforementioned discs.

I have not had any issues with any HD DVD or blu-ray disc I've stuck into the BH100. I have had audio dropout issues which current firmware fixes seem to have corrected. OTOH, I didn't procure any BD+-infested discs yesterday either.

I talked to LG customer service today and they are aware of the problem. New update is expected in 3-4 days and I was told to expect the disc in the mail in about 10 days.

Today I received THE CROW and GANGS OF NEW YORK from Amazon UK. They are marked Region B and would not play in Pioneer or Sony Blu-Ray players. Surprise...they loaded and played fine in my "Region A" LG BH100. Is the BD region code switch not activated in the LG?

Today I received THE CROW and GANGS OF NEW YORK from Amazon UK. They are marked Region B and would not play in Pioneer or Sony Blu-Ray players. Surprise...they loaded and played fine in my "Region A" LG BH100. Is the BD region code switch not activated in the LG?

Region coding could be activated next time you update the firmware. :D

Thanks for the info that LG is already working the issue. I guess I need to make sure I register before expecting an update....I've been depending on the dealer for "stuff" but he's as lazy with downloads/disc burning as I am.

So whats the verdict on this unit? My friend who works at a big box store offered one to me for a really good price. I plan on using it with a projector (Don't know which one yet). So any major bugs that I should be aware of? Or should I just pass and wait on the new gen dual players?

If I'm looking for a new player, I'd be looking for one which will decode DTS HD MA, True HD 5.1, and give me 5.1/7.1 analog outputs (since my system is HDMI-challenged). But I'm big on lossless audio and have a sound system I feel will take full advantage of it.

As it is, I'm hoping to milk another year or so out of the BH100 before I think about taking the plunge again. Hopefully by then, all the bugs/firmware fixes etc have been worked out, a format winner declared, and someone can build a player with really good DACs and audio processing.

Other than the audio (no DTS HD MA support and only 2 channel TrueHD for HD DVD (but 5.1 TrueHD for Blu-ray; go figure)) and half-baked HD DVD menu/frills support, the video may be as good as it gets (at least for Blu-ray, not sure about HD DVD). YMMV. I suspect the PQ could be even better if I had a projector which supported 1080p/24.

I just opened mine and watched my first Blu-Ray disk last night. The player is great. It does seem to share a remote code with my Geffen switcher but this is a known issue with that device. The IQ is fantastic on my 720p DLP projector. I went through ordered 80 films from netflix in BOTH formats. Awesome!
How do you check the firmware?
Sam

So whats the verdict on this unit? My friend who works at a big box store offered one to me for a really good price. I plan on using it with a projector (Don't know which one yet). So any major bugs that I should be aware of? Or should I just pass and wait on the new gen dual players?


You need to be your own judge and jury to render a verdict.

In any case, the way I see it, this player has served me well and I don't regret the purchase. I bought it soon after it was released and it allowed me to be indifferent to BR or HD when choosing discs. It has a few quirks on the video side (1. apparently a few of the newer BR discs don't play although a FW update will likely fix that soon; and 2. no menus in HD). It also is limited on the audio side as you cannot play all of the new "HD" audio formats via digital and in some cases not even via analog and some people have experiened lip sync problems via analog.

The thing is, if I were in the market now I would certainly be considering waiting for the next generation players including the upcoming LG. They will have more functionality and might be better in terms of PQ and SQ. You will have to pay more for them if you get them when they first come out and I'm sure that when they do the BH 100 price will plummet.

So in the end you have to decide for yourself. :D

Well, thanks for the insight on the unit. It sounds liek a solid machine but the new combos with more features are coming out sooner then I had thought. I guess I will just try to hold out...

Thanks though...

My BH100 connected to a VP-30 by HDMI only.

I am running the latest firmware on the BH100.

The only audio configuration on the BH100 I can find is to set the SPDIF to Bitstream or PCM, so based on the manual, I set it to Bitstream.

Playing a Dolby Digital EX or 5.1 track (on a SD DVD), the VP-30 shows "unknown" on the audio type.

However, my Denon AV receiver detects it as DDEX and seems (mind you, it's sort of hard to tease out if it's working properly) 5.1. I definitely caught some LFE, so something's happening.

The question is: Move to optical or coax out, or continue to use HDMI? Analog is possible, but I'd rather have my receiver do the decoding on the audio than than the DVD player. As long as I get a digital 5.1 track, I could care less about the new HD formats for now...sounds like things are a bit goofy with them anyway.

Thanks to all...I look forward to that firmware upgrade.

I talked to LG customer service today and they are aware of the problem. New update is expected in 3-4 days and I was told to expect the disc in the mail in about 10 days.

has anyone received the firmware update for the bd+ issue yet?

has anyone received the firmware update for the bd+ issue yet?

There is still no new FW posted on LG's service site. The latest is still 7-11-07

Just took the plung because I wanted a single unit to play both. Will most likely upgrade late next year....

How do I check for the software version and how do I upgrade the software - on this? And what will the upgrade actually do for me>

Thanks,

John

Tried to watch Silver Surfer with the family on Saturday night and was DENIED by lg. A little disappointing. Was really wishing I'd bought the sony just then.
Cheers,
Sam

My BH100 connected to a VP-30 by HDMI only.

I am running the latest firmware on the BH100.

The only audio configuration on the BH100 I can find is to set the SPDIF to Bitstream or PCM, so based on the manual, I set it to Bitstream.

Playing a Dolby Digital EX or 5.1 track (on a SD DVD), the VP-30 shows "unknown" on the audio type.

However, my Denon AV receiver detects it as DDEX and seems (mind you, it's sort of hard to tease out if it's working properly) 5.1. I definitely caught some LFE, so something's happening.

The question is: Move to optical or coax out, or continue to use HDMI? Analog is possible, but I'd rather have my receiver do the decoding on the audio than than the DVD player. As long as I get a digital 5.1 track, I could care less about the new HD formats for now...sounds like things are a bit goofy with them anyway.

Thanks to all...I look forward to that firmware upgrade.

I use the anolg outs to my Adcom Processor and think it sounds better than coax out to it. just try it and see, i think you'll like it much better.

Athanasios

Tried to watch Silver Surfer with the family on Saturday night and was DENIED by lg. A little disappointing. Was really wishing I'd bought the sony just then.
Cheers,
Sam


I wouldn't say you were denied by LG, the software and hardware manufacturers need to be working together before DVD's are released to the public. You are going to be experiencing this with new releases especially the bluray movies. It is in Sony's best interest that new releases are unstable on non Sony players.

Okay, I'm back from Rocky Mountain Audio Fest (RMAF), a 2-channel ear candy feast of mostly hideously overpriced audio equipment. I did actually find a couple of rooms with high def video/lossless audio demos going on (A Denver-based custom HT installer, I would guess). They had an LG BH100 on static display because they couldn't figure out how to get 5.1 lossless audio out of it. Grrrrrhhhhh. Instead they resorted to a new $500 Sony "cheapie".

Now back to the unfinished business: playing FFSS. Any status on the alleged, imminent Firmware fix for the Fox titles ?

thx

I wouldn't say you were denied by LG, the software and hardware manufacturers need to be working together before DVD's are released to the public. You are going to be experiencing this with new releases especially the bluray movies. It is in Sony's best interest that new releases are unstable on non Sony players.

If sony think it's in their best interest to make other brand players fail reading their software then blu-ray will be as successful as minidisc, betamax, UMD, memory stick, and sacd. Will they ever learn? It's the main thing preventing me from buying one of their projectors. It's sad to watch a great company go to the dogs for arrogance.
Sam

Okay, I'm back from Rocky Mountain Audio Fest (RMAF), a 2-channel ear candy feast of mostly hideously overpriced audio equipment. I did actually find a couple of rooms with high def video/lossless audio demos going on (A Denver-based custom HT installer, I would guess). They had an LG BH100 on static display because they couldn't figure out how to get 5.1 lossless audio out of it. Grrrrrhhhhh. Instead they resorted to a new $500 Sony "cheapie".

Now back to the unfinished business: playing FFSS. Any status on the alleged, imminent Firmware fix for the Fox titles ?

thx

No Firmware update yet.

Glad to see you made it back Oscar. We got out at 9:40am on Standby.

No Firmware update yet.

Glad to see you made it back Oscar. We got out at 9:40am on Standby.

I heard I missed out on an impromptu Halcro/movie demo after the shot marathon closing down the bar. Shucks. Great ending to RMAF otherwise. I'd like to get my hands on pictures of the RMAF show (hint).

Called up the LG 1-800 number, the guy I talked to seemed unsure about the firmware fix, put me on hold while he tried to find out what was going on, then suggested I try to download from the lgserver.com as before. My internet access crash before I got around to it.

Guess I have time. I stopped by Best Buy and picked up 10 disks (6 with BOGO, 3 more priced at $14.99 and AC/DC.

Soooo...

I bought Transformers today and tried watching it in my BH100. This is the first HD disk I've tried since I bought the player last week. Regular DVD's have been fine. Anyway, when I start it up, I get the loading screen for 30 seconds and then the disk stops and goes to the LG main stop menu. Anyone else experience this or have any ideas what the issue could be?

I heard I missed out on an impromptu Halcro/movie demo after the shot marathon closing down the bar. Shucks. Great ending to RMAF otherwise. I'd like to get my hands on pictures of the RMAF show (hint).

Called up the LG 1-800 number, the guy I talked to seemed unsure about the firmware fix, put me on hold while he tried to find out what was going on, then suggested I try to download from the lgserver.com as before. My internet access crash before I got around to it.

Guess I have time. I stopped by Best Buy and picked up 10 disks (6 with BOGO, 3 more priced at $14.99 and AC/DC.



can you elaborate in what version of firmware they wanted you to download?
i haven't even gotten that much out of the 1-800 people...

I heard I missed out on an impromptu Halcro/movie demo after the shot marathon closing down the bar. Shucks. Great ending to RMAF otherwise. I'd like to get my hands on pictures of the RMAF show (hint).

Called up the LG 1-800 number, the guy I talked to seemed unsure about the firmware fix, put me on hold while he tried to find out what was going on, then suggested I try to download from the lgserver.com as before. My internet access crash before I got around to it.

Guess I have time. I stopped by Best Buy and picked up 10 disks (6 with BOGO, 3 more priced at $14.99 and AC/DC.

I already have a CD of those picture for you. Yeah, I didn't go into the Halcro 'movie' room at all.

I was just on LG's web site, and it's still the same update that we already have. But I will keep checking. I hope that LG isn't going to blow off the BH100, now that the BH200 is out.

I already have a CD of those picture for you. Yeah, I didn't go into the Halcro 'movie' room at all.

I was just on LG's web site, and it's still the same update that we already have. But I will keep checking. I hope that LG isn't going to blow off the BH100, now that the BH200 is out.

I thought I saw a different ISO file in addition to the one we have. Whether it's an earlier or later version I don't know. I think I need a specific piece of software I don't currently have to burn it to disc. Still working on it.

can you elaborate in what version of firmware they wanted you to download?
i haven't even gotten that much out of the 1-800 people...

I was hoping they'd offer to mail me the disc but the guy never said an update was available; he simply pointed me to the lgservice.com/device driver link. I don't think he was sure the update was available. Maybe someone needs to call during the day when people "in the know" are more likely to be around the help lines (maybe).

I was hoping they'd offer to mail me the disc but the guy never said an update was available; he simply pointed me to the lgservice.com/device driver link. I don't think he was sure the update was available. Maybe someone needs to call during the day when people "in the know" are more likely to be around the help lines (maybe).

i have received two firmware updates on dvd media from lg.
i just specify with the person i want the media.

this is starting to irk me. i am was going to by a bh200 for my other
viewing room, but now i think i'll go with the other multi-format (samsung?).

Soooo...

I bought Transformers today and tried watching it in my BH100. This is the first HD disk I've tried since I bought the player last week. Regular DVD's have been fine. Anyway, when I start it up, I get the loading screen for 30 seconds and then the disk stops and goes to the LG main stop menu. Anyone else experience this or have any ideas what the issue could be?

I had the same thing happen to me. But, when I hit the play button again, the movie started to play immediately. Woohoo ! I was starting to worry. Did you try to hit the play button again ?

I also have the latest (pre-FFSS) firmware.

No update yet for Fantastic 4.
Hmmm.
Sam

This player sounds like a disaster.

This player sounds like a disaster.

Give it time, a firmware fix could still be "imminent". I'll be surprised if they don't have a fix before the end of the month.

I'd still buy it over the BH200 simply for the 5.1 analog outputs. My next player absolutely has to have 5.1 analog outputs and DTS HD MA internal decoding (for the analog outputs) and bitstream over HDMI.

Soooo...

I bought Transformers today and tried watching it in my BH100. This is the first HD disk I've tried since I bought the player last week. Regular DVD's have been fine. Anyway, when I start it up, I get the loading screen for 30 seconds and then the disk stops and goes to the LG main stop menu. Anyone else experience this or have any ideas what the issue could be?
I too had the problem with Transformers HD-DVD not playing on my LG BH100. After searching around I finally found a firmware update and to my surprise I'm watching my Transformers DVD right now.

Go to: us.lgservice.com/index_b2c.jsp and click on Device Driver.

Search for "Product DVD&Video" Choose Operating System "All". Type in "BH100" under Subject

Download the two files found under "Program Update for BH100-N (USA Only)" and follow the instructions on the PDF files.

If any of this doesn't make sense let me know and I can send you a link for a zip file I have uploaded. joeclubkid@gmail.com

As with any firmware, you are on your own, I took a chance and it worked for me.

Give it time, a firmware fix could still be "imminent". I'll be surprised if they don't have a fix before the end of the month.

I'd still buy it over the BH200 simply for the 5.1 analog outputs. My next player absolutely has to have 5.1 analog outputs and DTS HD MA internal decoding (for the analog outputs) and bitstream over HDMI.
Time perhaps will help it but what is LG's history of supporting older players? Who's to say they just won't stop updating this when the BH200 hits?

Time perhaps will help it but what is LG's history of supporting older players? Who's to say they just won't stop updating this when the BH200 hits?
Hi Vinnie,

I don't understand your concerns regarding this player. Have you evaluated one yourself? Do you own one? If not, how can you make a informed judgment?

I chose it for two reasons:

1. Dual format support
2. 1080p/24 HDMI native output for both formats.

No other player on the market have these features. I had zero problems playing HD DVD or Blu-Ray discs so far.

Hi
so far.
Does this include Fox titles and Transformers? That's all I really care about...and there are enough reports in here with regards to the failed playback of said discs to raise a red flag. I don't think I need to own it to realize that.

Also, I'm just wondering how LG's product support and firmware upgrades have been in the past, which should hopefully give an idea on how expedient LG would be in fixing new playback issues that crop up.

First post here at AVS forums. I do own a BH100 and I can certainly understand vinnie97's concerns. Transformers should play with no problem, as long as you are up-to-date with your firmware. However, none of the newer Fox titles will work properly, all have audio dropout.

So far, I've been satisfied with the machine, but the fact is that LG has no yet offered any firmware update, nor has it offered any information on when a firmware update might be available. Calling customer service is a waste of time, you get a different story every time. Basically we've gotten a whole lot of nothing in regards to the Fox movie issue.

I'm willing to be a bit patient, but it is time we heard something, anything from LG.

Would there be a way to start a database of what movies play and which ones don't? It's a bit tiresome renting movies and testing for yourself.
This would be a great use of the AVS forum's user-generated content features.
Cheers,
Sam

First post here at AVS forums. I do own a BH100 and I can certainly understand vinnie97's concerns. Transformers should play with no problem, as long as you are up-to-date with your firmware. However, none of the newer Fox titles will work properly, all have audio dropout.

So far, I've been satisfied with the machine, but the fact is that LG has no yet offered any firmware update, nor has it offered any information on when a firmware update might be available. Calling customer service is a waste of time, you get a different story every time. Basically we've gotten a whole lot of nothing in regards to the Fox movie issue.

I'm willing to be a bit patient, but it is time we heard something, anything from LG.

Transformers played flawlessly on my BH100 last night. I'd give the sound a 10! The movie itself... aaaa... maybe a 5.5.

I do have the current latest firmware. Now if we can just get the next firmware update so I can check out FFSS.

Transformers played flawlessly on my BH100 last night. I'd give the sound a 10! The movie itself... aaaa... maybe a 5.5.

I do have the current latest firmware. Now if we can just get the next firmware update so I can check out FFSS.

I never had a problem with any HD DVD that I've thrown into the LG, they've all played with no problems. That even includes 300, which froze when played in my HD-A1. Stuck 300 in the LG and it played perfectly, go figure!

Like the idea of a database, since who knows when LG will get off their butt in regards to a firmware update. Currently, these movies won't work (either confirmed by myself that I've heard of from visiting this and other forums):

Silver Surfer
The Day After Tomorrow
28 Days Later
28 Weeks Later
From Hell

Notice a trend there? Yep, they are all Fox movies, what a shocker! I've also heard that first Underworld movie (Sony) might not work on the LG, either. Can't confirm that one, though.

Just watched Underworld and it played fine.

Just watched Underworld and it played fine.

Good to hear, I was planning on picking this one up just as soon as my local Fry's Electronics gets some more in

Firmware update fixed this...

Thanks all!

Soooo...

I bought Transformers today and tried watching it in my BH100. This is the first HD disk I've tried since I bought the player last week. Regular DVD's have been fine. Anyway, when I start it up, I get the loading screen for 30 seconds and then the disk stops and goes to the LG main stop menu. Anyone else experience this or have any ideas what the issue could be?

Transformers played flawlessly on my BH100 last night. I'd give the sound a 10! The movie itself... aaaa... maybe a 5.5.

I do have the current latest firmware. Now if we can just get the next firmware update so I can check out FFSS.

Curious, how often do you listen to lossless audio ? I'll give the "Transformers" sound mix a "10" (well, maybe not, there are some unresolved sub issues to deal, a number of people have complained about lack of bass but this could be system setup issues), but the sound quality isn't up to the standards of a really good lossless audio track IMHO.

I played it the first time on the LG with no issues other than I couldn't play the DD+ volume loud enough using the analog outputs (I have my own system setup issues complicated by the LGs low subwoofer output). The sound didn't sound quite as dynamic or as "clear" as with good PCM soundtracks from other movies (e.g. "Underworld", even "Casino Royale").

I might be better off listening to this using the DD output to the Pre/pro via optical. I haven't had any issues with volume/LFE output using the pre/pro for decoding. I just have to talk myself into watching "Transformers" again; especially with 12 more HD discs still in the shrink-wrap. (I was on a BOGO frenzy last week).

Curious, how often do you listen to lossless audio ? I'll give the "Transformers" sound mix a "10" (well, maybe not, there are some unresolved sub issues to deal, a number of people have complained about lack of bass but this could be system setup issues), but the sound quality isn't up to the standards of a really good lossless audio track IMHO.

I played it the first time on the LG with no issues other than I couldn't play the DD+ volume loud enough using the analog outputs (I have my own system setup issues complicated by the LGs low subwoofer output). The sound didn't sound quite as dynamic or as "clear" as with good PCM soundtracks from other movies (e.g. "Underworld", even "Casino Royale").

I might be better off listening to this using the DD output to the Pre/pro via optical. I haven't had any issues with volume/LFE output using the pre/pro for decoding. I just have to talk myself into watching "Transformers" again; especially with 12 more HD discs still in the shrink-wrap. (I was on a BOGO frenzy last week).

I'm just using the digital coax out. I quit messing with the analog outs and lossless months ago. My surround processor doesn't handle the bass very well with the analog inputs. Again, it sounded really great. I had some family members over, and they just loved it.

I've also spent the last couple of days re-positioning and calibrating my DD-18. Big improvement.

Hi Doc,
So this is the whole list of films that don't play on the machine? That's awesome. I'll push them down my netfilx list until a firmware update happens. Anybody have anything else to add?
Thanks!
Sam


Silver Surfer
The Day After Tomorrow
28 Days Later
28 Weeks Later
From Hell

BTW In a lot of situations people don't like to roll out new software at the end of the week because if there are problems it may need to be addressed with weekend calls.
Cheers,
Sam

I never had a problem with any HD DVD that I've thrown into the LG, they've all played with no problems. That even includes 300, which froze when played in my HD-A1. Stuck 300 in the LG and it played perfectly, go figure!

Like the idea of a database, since who knows when LG will get off their butt in regards to a firmware update. Currently, these movies won't work (either confirmed by myself that I've heard of from visiting this and other forums):

Silver Surfer
The Day After Tomorrow
28 Days Later
28 Weeks Later
From Hell

Notice a trend there? Yep, they are all Fox movies, what a shocker! I've also heard that first Underworld movie (Sony) might not work on the LG, either. Can't confirm that one, though.

I wonder which LG BH100 guinea pigs er... owners are going to report back on Spiderman 3 and other more recent titles ?

FFSS is the first title I've tried which gave me hiccoughs. Underworld works beautifully.

Hi Doc,
So this is the whole list of films that don't play on the machine? That's awesome. I'll push them down my netfilx list until a firmware update happens. Anybody have anything else to add?
Thanks!
Sam


Silver Surfer
The Day After Tomorrow
28 Days Later
28 Weeks Later
From Hell

Well, some of 'em. These are the ones I've either tested myself or others have tested and reported don't work at other forums like Hi Def Digest (and others). I don't remember where I heard this, but Robocop supposedly doesn't work either (this one's from MGM, which is distributed by Fox of course).

I might give Meet the Robinsons a try, which comes out tomorrow. I'm hoping this one might work since it is from Disney rather than Fox or MGM.

I'm hoping Spidey 3 works as well, since it is coming from Sony. But as oscar_in_fw said, who wants to be the BH100 guinea pig?

I have played my Blu-ray copy of spider man 3 on the BH100,IT played flawlessly on my player, but I have the Australian version of the movie and the firmware on my BH100 is two versions back [BH\01070413A/pkg114] which means firmware date is 13/4/07 this is
the firmware my player shipped with.

I played U.K. version of Spiderman 3 without any problems.I have latest firmware(07.11.07b).Audio (Dolby True HD 5.1 via analog multi out) was perfect!Definitely demo material.:)

Hello,

LG has announced that a firmware update for BH100 is now available for Italy. Unluckily, it has not placed on line, the BH100 must be taken to a LG Service assistant center to be updated.

Let's hope this will fix f4ss problem.

BR,

FKB

Hi Folks,
Here's an email that I got from LG yesterday. I wrote complaining about Silver Surfer. Sounds like good news!

Dear Sam,

We are delighted to hear from you as our Valued Customer.

We appreciate your interest in this DVD Player. An update, to resolve all this situation is currently being tested. It should be available soon. When it has been prepared, it will be posted to our website at http://us.lgservice.com.

If you have other questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us again either via email, or by calling our customer service division at 800-243-0000 at your convenience.

Mr. Neil
Electronic Correspondence Executive (ECE)
LG Electronics USA
800-243-0000

Meet the Robinsons

Anyone else here watch this BD on their BH-100? All through the movie, in the upper right hand corner, I kept getting a 'soft button' with the icon of a movie camera on it appearing from time to time. I've never seen this on any other BD movie that I've watched.