View Full Version : dumb question - is the Scorpian King the Mummy Returns?


edfowler
01-18-07, 12:32 PM
...or do I have to find the Scorpian King even though I got The Mummy Returns?

dvdjan
01-18-07, 12:37 PM
is the Scorpian King the Mummy Returns ? NO

do I have to find the Scorpian King even though I got The Mummy Returns ? YES

SamwisetheBrave
01-18-07, 12:41 PM
is the Scorpian King the Mummy Returns ? NO

do I have to find the Scorpian King even though I got The Mummy Returns ? YES
^ ^^ :cool:

CrisisDog
01-18-07, 12:48 PM
Is it just me, or do the three movies (Mummy, Mummy Returns, and Scorpion King) not have a "flowing" story line? It's been a while since I've seen all three and I could be talking out of my a** here, but I remember that the Scorpion King was, like, the bad guy in the Mummy Returns, while he was sorta the hero in the Scorpion King. I also think that I remember there were story line differences between the original Mummy and the Mummy Returns. Even though they were all good movies, it was an inconsistant story line.

wormraper
01-18-07, 01:04 PM
Is it just me, or do the three movies (Mummy, Mummy Returns, and Scorpion King) not have a "flowing" story line? It's been a while since I've seen all three and I could be talking out of my a** here, but I remember that the Scorpion King was, like, the bad guy in the Mummy Returns, while he was sorta the hero in the Scorpion King. I also think that I remember there were story line differences between the original Mummy and the Mummy Returns. Even though they were all good movies, it was an inconsistant story line.

The whole theory of the Scorpion king was that he became bad over time and was not this evil villain at heart. Also the Scorpion king was not so much a third movie in the series but rather a spin-off telling some of the history of the Scorpion King.

inca
01-18-07, 01:08 PM
I have heard rumors that they are coming out with and actual mummy 3, is this true? So there will be a total of 4 movies in the series if this comes out.

gljvd
01-18-07, 01:11 PM
In the mummy the hero meets the girl and the villian . In the sequal they are married and have a kid and the villian is back and unleashes a bigger villian .

The scorpian king was just a knock off conan . It was really bad . I persoanly wouldn't waste my time with it .


Also yes they are working on a part 3

wormraper
01-18-07, 01:12 PM
I have heard rumors that they are coming out with and actual mummy 3, is this true? So there will be a total of 4 movies in the series if this comes out.

Yeah, it's been in production for a little while. However it's kinda amusing but the producers are very adamant about not calling it "the mummy 3" for marketing reasons, hoping that people won't ignore it because of "sequalitis". They are marketing it as a "Rick O'bannon adventure" :). But to cut to the chase, yes a 3rd mummy movies is coming out sometime this year or 2008, can't remember when.

MikeLindsey
01-18-07, 01:28 PM
I have not seen these movies. I'll give them a try, but I have pretty low expectations. Should they be watched in this order?

Mummy
Mummy Returns
Scorpion King

Do they get better or worse? If I cannot stomach the first one, will I like the others?

MB

Chako
01-18-07, 01:31 PM
They are marketing it as a "Rick O'bannon adventure" :).

Rick' O'Connell ;)

gosawx
01-18-07, 01:34 PM
Are these different from "Abbott and Costello Meet the Mummy"?:)

Chako
01-18-07, 01:35 PM
Should they be watched in this order?

Mummy
Mummy Returns
Scorpion King


Thats how they were made but timeline wise its

Scorpion King
Mummy
Mummy Returns

Scorpion King is a brain twister if you think about it though because it is a prequel of a sequel of a movie that was a re-make of another movie that was made 70 years ago.

wormraper
01-18-07, 01:38 PM
Rick' O'Connell ;)

my bad, :), been a while since I've seen them and I'm way too lazy to get up and go look at the DVD case :)

EDIT: That name O'bannon is tickling at the back of my mind though. I can't remember what movie character was named that but I'll figure it out later.

JulesH
01-18-07, 01:40 PM
I have not seen these movies. I'll give them a try, but I have pretty low expectations. Should they be watched in this order?

Mummy
Mummy Returns
Scorpion King

Do they get better or worse? If I cannot stomach the first one, will I like the others?

MB

Definitely watch mummy and mummy returns in order. The scorpion king character is not introduced until mummy returns, and he serves a smaller role in the plot. Haven't seen the scorpion King.

The mummy is an entertaining action film. It's a bit corny, but all in good fun, the story is so so. The mummy returns IMO is not as good as the first one, it develops the plot some more, fills you in on the story much more, has some great action scenes and some great effects, but the story really is ridiculous, a few parts come to mind, but if I tell you it would ruin the movie for you. Once you've seen the first one, if you liked it, you will enjoy the second, just try not to think about the films too much, especially the second one. I sort of equate these films with the pirates of the carribean films, great effects, great action, entertaining to watch, but really not great films. They do pack the theatres though and make a lot of money.

DavidML3
01-18-07, 01:47 PM
I have not seen these movies. I'll give them a try, but I have pretty low expectations. Should they be watched in this order?

Mummy
Mummy Returns
Scorpion King

Do they get better or worse? If I cannot stomach the first one, will I like the others?

MB


Mummy Returns is the best one and looks excellent in HD.

Scorpion King was horrible. The acting was putrid and the story line was shallow as those one hour sitcoms(Macguyver,Quantum Leap etc) where the hero saves the day ALL THE TIME

WirelessGuru
01-18-07, 02:02 PM
I have not seen these movies. I'll give them a try, but I have pretty low expectations. Should they be watched in this order?

Mummy
Mummy Returns
Scorpion King

Do they get better or worse? If I cannot stomach the first one, will I like the others?

MBYeah, that's the order...
They aren't bad movies. They have plenty of action.
Keep your low expectations going in and I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

rboster
01-18-07, 02:04 PM
Mummy Returns is the best one and looks excellent in HD.

Scorpion King was horrible. The acting was putrid and the story line was shallow as those one hour sitcoms(Macguyver,Quantum Leap etc) where the hero saves the day ALL THE TIME

I happen to watch it last night on HD-DVD. It was worst than I remember. Pure pulp.....but since Vince McMahan from WWE OR WWF...never watch the "sport" was executive producer...that should say it all.

inca
01-18-07, 02:20 PM
Scorpion King is a brain twister if you think about it though because it is a prequel of a sequel of a movie that was a re-make of another movie that was made 70 years ago.

Let me get this straight, the scorpion king is based on another movie that was made in the 1930s?? What was that movie called?

I guess that I am the only one who liked the scorpion king, in fact I liked it better then both the mummy. I found it to be a kick ass action film. Oh well...... To each there own. Though my wife liked both mummy movies, she doesn't like the scorpion king, she sais its too much of a guys film for her.

Chako
01-18-07, 02:34 PM
Let me get this straight, the scorpion king is based on another movie that was made in the 1930s?? What was that movie called?

I guess that I am the only one who liked the scorpion king, in fact I liked it better then both the mummy. I found it to be a kick ass action film. Oh well...... To each there own. Though my wife liked both mummy movies, she doesn't like the scorpion king, she sais its too much of a guys film for her.

No The Mummy is a remake of the 1932 Boris Karloff The Mummy.

So Mummy Returns is the sequel of that

The Scorpion King in a prequel to The Mummy Returns.


Sooooo The Scorpion King is a prequel of a sequel (The Mummy Returns) of a movie that was a re-make (The Mummy) of another movie that was made 70 years ago. (The Mummy 1932)

tutelary
01-18-07, 02:45 PM
hahahahahahahahahaahhaa. dear lord, thats the best explanation ever.

inca
01-18-07, 02:47 PM
No The Mummy is a remake of the 1932 Boris Karloff The Mummy.

So Mummy Returns is the sequel of that

The Scorpion King in a prequel to The Mummy Returns.


Sooooo The Scorpion King is a prequel of a sequel (The Mummy Returns) of a movie that was a re-make (The Mummy) of another movie that was made 70 years ago. (The Mummy 1932)


Lol, thats pretty deep.

studiotan
01-18-07, 02:53 PM
Let me get this straight, the scorpion king is based on another movie that was made in the 1930s?? What was that movie called?

No, I think he means The Mummy was based on the original from the 30s with Boris Karloff. I've never seen the original but I doubt the new one bore any resemblance to it. A "remake" in name only.

LAGOSIAN
01-18-07, 02:53 PM
...or do I have to find the Scorpian King even though I got The Mummy Returns?
No, but it is a sub plot derived from "The Mummy Returns". The story actually started in "The Mummy Returns" and grew into its own movie. :)

studiotan
01-18-07, 02:54 PM
Hehe, apparently I'm a slow typer :p

awmurray
01-18-07, 02:57 PM
I have not seen these movies. I'll give them a try, but I have pretty low expectations. Should they be watched in this order?

Mummy
Mummy Returns
Scorpion King

Do they get better or worse? If I cannot stomach the first one, will I like the others?

MB

The proper order is:

Mummy
Mummy Returns

Next, lower your expectations into the abyss (realizing that the star is a Pro-wrestler). Finally, if you like to be tortured, try:

Scorpion King

Josh Z
01-18-07, 03:39 PM
I have not seen these movies. I'll give them a try, but I have pretty low expectations. Should they be watched in this order?

Mummy
Mummy Returns
Scorpion King

Do they get better or worse? If I cannot stomach the first one, will I like the others?

Better yet, just save your money. All of these movies are equally terrible.

Brajesh
01-18-07, 03:49 PM
Aw c'mon ;). These movies aren't 'Indiana Jones' caliber, but despite getting a beating from most critics, I think the first two are pretty fun. Not original & overdone CGI, but it's good escapist entertainment. I can think of plenty of movies that critics love that are borefests.

inca
01-18-07, 04:15 PM
Aw c'mon ;). These movies aren't 'Indiana Jones' caliber, but despite getting a beating from most critics, I think the first two are pretty fun. Not original & overdone CGI, but it's good escapist entertainment. I can think of plenty of movies that critics love that are borefests.


Like all but 30 minutes of the 3 hours of king kong. I couldn't even finish that movie the 2nd time around. I just played the island part and turned it off.

cordillius
01-18-07, 04:21 PM
The Mummy and The Mummy Returns are both good action movies.

zappa2001
01-18-07, 04:22 PM
my bad, :), been a while since I've seen them and I'm way too lazy to get up and go look at the DVD case :)

EDIT: That name O'bannon is tickling at the back of my mind though. I can't remember what movie character was named that but I'll figure it out later.
Is that the last name of Ben Affleck's character in "Dazed and Confused"?

wormraper
01-18-07, 04:31 PM
Is that the last name of Ben Affleck's character in "Dazed and Confused"?

Lol, I think so, been a long time since I saw that movie (and I believe I was drunk when I did :) ), anyways, I finally figured out why I got the names mixed up. Roy O'bannon is Owen wilson's name in Shanghai Noon.

studiotan
01-18-07, 04:33 PM
Is that the last name of Ben Affleck's character in "Dazed and Confused"?

That was O'Bannion.

Might be thinking of Race Bannon from Jonny Quest? :p

Josh Z
01-19-07, 12:08 PM
Aw c'mon ;). These movies aren't 'Indiana Jones' caliber, but despite getting a beating from most critics, I think the first two are pretty fun.

Not "Indiana Jones" calibre is the understatement of the century. They're not even "King Solomon's Mines" calibre.

oh_riginal
01-19-07, 12:32 PM
The proper order is:

Mummy
Mummy Returns

Next, lower your expectations into the abyss (realizing that the star is a Pro-wrestler). Finally, if you like to be tortured, try:

Scorpion King

At the time The Rock was seen as nothing more than a pro-wrestler getting into acting. Now I think it is safe to ignore the "pro-wrestlier" and see him as simply an actor now. He's not all that bad at it really.

PRMan
01-19-07, 12:48 PM
The Mummy is better than King Solomon's Mines.

The Scorpion King isn't too bad. I generally dislike mindless action pictures but it held my interest through the end. It's about as good as a Conan sequel or Red Sonja.

BlackRiderX
01-19-07, 01:11 PM
General storyline flows best IMO if you watch Scorpion King first, then The Mummy and finally The Mummy Returns. The reason I say this is because of some of the dialogue at the end of Scorpion King which gets resolved during The Mummy Returns.

Caurus
01-19-07, 01:13 PM
Not "Indiana Jones" calibre is the understatement of the century. They're not even "King Solomon's Mines" calibre.


Actually I think The Mummy andThe Mummy Returns are better than the Indiana Jones movies. And I have seen both A LOT of times because both are part of my most favorite movies.

Both are great adventure movies. But the mummy movies are better: they are full of wit and humor - more than Indiana Jones - and in the mummy movies the main actress is playing an equal role on the side of the main actor - she is not just some blonde Bond type girl who is only good for screaming when she sees a bat or other cheap jokes (what is the typical Indiana Jones womans role). There Indiana Jones is kind of outdated (- and no, I am not a fan of Tomb Raider because thats another extreme).

When you think Indiana Jones is better I think this is mostly because it made a huge impression on you (and me) during our childhood. The Indiana Jones movies are awesome movies, but the mummy movies are awesome as well. And if I want to watch a great funny adventure popcorn movie I will pick at 60% of the times one of he mummy movies and at 40% of the times one of the Indiana Jones movies.

Scorpion King sucks. No doubt about that.

BlackRiderX
01-19-07, 01:20 PM
I was personally dissapointed with "The Mummy" when it came out btw because I thought it would be more in line with the 1932 version, and instead it was an action-adventure film. I certainly wouldn't put these three movies anywhere near the Indian Jones trilogy either, as they are copy-cat films by design.

awmurray
01-19-07, 01:36 PM
At the time The Rock was seen as nothing more than a pro-wrestler getting into acting. Now I think it is safe to ignore the "pro-wrestlier" and see him as simply an actor now. He's not all that bad at it really.

I was going to blame it on the script or the writer, but when I watched Scorpion King, I saw no sign of either one so figured it was The Rock. :confused:

pcdoctor
01-20-07, 06:18 AM
I didn't think the "Scorpian King" was that bad but I'm female. I like "The Rock"!
I also enjoyed both Mummy movies.

jason10mm
01-20-07, 11:45 AM
I liked "The Scorpion King". I guess it is the charisma of the actors, since the plot and production values are about on level with "Kull". I thought "Mummy Returns" was a bit over the top and a bit of a rehash of the first movie, but still fun. Got them all on HD-DVD even though I had the collectors editions on SD.

Sisko197
01-20-07, 12:33 PM
The Scorpion King is very different from The Mummy and The Mummy Returns. So different, it is hard to place when watching it.

It's also vastly inferior to the two Mummy movies, but that's because I think the story was a lot more generic than the Mummy movies. Unfortunately, I couldn't escape the feeling that in certain parts of TSK that a bow and arrow were being used in lieu of guns as though they are mix and match. Don't get me wrong. I'm a hetereo guy and I still think The Rock is a fine enough actor. He's certainly improved over the years. I liked Doom. (Yeah, sue me.) No, he's no Harrison Ford or Ed Harris.

Honestly, he's one of the few parts of that movie that really works. He fills the role and he does it well. I wish the movie had dealt a little more with how it connects to The Mummy universe because you get the feeling they are very disconnected. Now I'm smart enough to know that he must be corrupted by something later (perhaps the death of "his woman,") but since I'm sure they'll never make that movie, it just leaves this big gaping hole in the storyline that could have easily been resolved in this movie instead (since it was billed as a prequel to TMR).

As far as The Mummy and The Mummy Returns, well. I'd say the story's a lot simpler in the first one. I'd say the second one is a little more convoluted (a problem that became very obvious in Van Helsing). But The Mummy is not Shakespeare, so a simpler story that is still very "by the books," with likable actors and characters is just not enough to beat the same likable actors and characters in even more extreme and a slightly more convoluted story but with grander scenes with bigger perils and threats and certainly more action.

The Mummy didn't have an epic story. Neither does the second one. Since the story doesn't lift The Mummy above The Mummy Returns, the latter's superior action lifts it above the former despit some weakness in the story.

That's my opinion. The Mummy Returns also has the superior transfer to The Mummy and far better audio design.

The Mummy Returns > The Mummy > The Scoprion King.

I watched them recently in order of when they were released because I felt like knowing who The Scorpion King was before TMR was unnecessary, but seeing about him after we know he falls so hard was critical to understanding the full meaning of the ending of TSK.

rezzy
01-20-07, 01:35 PM
I have not seen these movies. I'll give them a try, but I have pretty low expectations.(IMO) The Mummy plays a lot like The Mask of Zorro. They both are good popcorn-movies, but their sequels are terrible. Maybe it's the child-actors.....
And I suspect those who like the Scorpion King like it because of Kelly Hu.

skibum5000
01-20-07, 07:01 PM
I have not seen these movies. I'll give them a try, but I have pretty low expectations. Should they be watched in this order?

Mummy
Mummy Returns
Scorpion King

Do they get better or worse? If I cannot stomach the first one, will I like the others?

MB

order of scorpion king doesn't matter so much at all, however may as well leave it for last, since the other two are better (kelly hu though....).
scorpion is probably somewhat dumb, but i kind of liked it anyway, but just to be safe, start with the mummy (although depending upon your taste, that might not do it for you either).

if you can't stomach the first one, probably nix the others (although scorpion is a little different though depending upon what got to you in the mummy you might still like that one, although i dont'think thinkit is as good in general terms).

dragonyeuw
01-20-07, 07:52 PM
The Mummy movies,including Scorpion King,are all dumbed down Saturday matinee serial type movies.I think they're all entertaining in their own way,I think the first one is the best of the bunch,I personally didn't care too much for 'Returns'.They went the typical route for sequels:bigger sets,more explosions,more effects,blah blah,but I think it lacked the charm of the first one.Also,the sappy love between Rick and Evie was somewhat overkill compared to their 'bickering but obviously digging each other' relationship from the first movie.

The Scorpion King has a different feel to the other movies,and doesn't really seem to have much connection to them other than the actual title character.I thought The Rock for his first starring role movie did well.Not a great acting job persay,but he proved to be a credible
leading man.The Scorpion King is like Conan-lite to me.

Caurus
01-20-07, 10:49 PM
Well, I guess Al Bundy would draw the following conclusion:

The Mummy and The Mummy Returns make you get beer - The Scorpion King makes you drink beer.

;)

MikeLindsey
01-21-07, 01:43 AM
I just finished The Mummy. The nice HD picture made it far more enjoyable. I would have never given this movie a chance, but it held my interest. I plan on renting TMR and SK soon. The CGI was a little much, but I guess that was the director's intent.

Ralph Jenkins
01-21-07, 02:23 PM
I enjoyed The Scorpion King, although it's certainly a "popcorn movie" . I think the presence of Kelly Hu (in HD, no less) helped greatly. :) The movie is also short enough that it doesn't wear out its welcome.

I thought The Mummy was okay, but I hated The Mummy Returns. It's been a while since I saw it, but I remember it feeling more like a videogame than a movie (sort of like Van Helsing).

Dreamwriter
01-21-07, 06:27 PM
I too just finished watching the HD-DVD of "The Mummy", and it was just as good as I remembered. I'm one of the (apparently) few who liked the second one better - it felt a lot more adventurish and it had more story. The only thing that brought it down was the Scorpion King character - they made such a huge deal of The Rock being in the movie, and then he was 100% crappy CGI.