Here's my rant. I come to the AVS/HD-DVD forum for news on HD-DVD. I do not come here to read countless opinions on wether my purchase was valid or not. If you are posting in this forum just to attack other posters who are enthusiastic about HD-DVD, why not post somewhere else. If you are enthusiastic about Blu-Ray, post in the Blu-Ray forum. If this is not important to this forum, then let's remove the following line from the forum description.

If you are not here for HD DVD, move on.

Here's my rant. I come to the AVS/HD-DVD forum for news on HD-DVD. I do not come here to read countless opinions on wether my purchase was valid or not. If you are posting in this forum just to attack other posters who are enthusiastic about HD-DVD, why not post somewhere else. If you are enthusiastic about Blu-Ray, post in the Blu-Ray forum. If this is not important to this forum, then let's remove the following line from the forum description.

If you are not here for HD DVD, move on.


Ooooh.....I was just here for the free donuts and coffee. *takes bavarian creme and cuppa joe and quickly leaves*

HD DVD Software
This area covers free donuts and coffee. If you are not here for free donuts and coffee, move on. Please note this is not the area for hardware chat.

I'm a wee bit tired of the "Double Agents" as well.

Hey I don't mind discussing the merits or demerits of the platform every now and then but I hate the continued injection of FUD into many of the threads.

So if you own both formats are you considered a double-agent?

Let's say I was in the mood for HD DVD and a doughnut, would this be the right forum to post in?

:p

So if you own both formats are you considered a double-agent?


That's the good DA. There are a lot of people who feel like they have carte blanche to trash HD DVD even though they own a Xbox drive. Opinions are great and no one is asking you to drink the koolaid but let people enjoy their product.

I post over in the BD forum and I try to be careful about not invalidating someones purchase. I may have my differing thoughts but I definitely don't want to make someone feel bad about purchasing their format in a topic area designed for their enthusiasm.

That's the good DA. There are a lot of people who feel like they have carte blanche to trash HD DVD even though they own a Xbox drive. Opinions are great and no one is asking you to drink the koolaid but let people enjoy their product.

I post over in the BD forum and I try to be careful about not invalidating someones purchase. I may have my differing thoughts but I definitely don't want to make someone feel bad about purchasing their format in a topic area designed for their enthusiasm.

hmurchison,

Thank you for your very intelligent post. Now get rid of the Bears signature. :rolleyes:

Mike

Mike, sadly it'll never work, this entire forum is infested with the video game mentality, your not allowed to own rivaling items in the same field, it is forbidden

what does that mean and how does it apply here? basically every thread turns to **** ;)

the poor mods are doing all they can :(

you know what I say?

"In the land of the fence jumpers, the man who rides the post is king" :D

time to set the egg timer to this thread:( who is gonna ruin it? show yourself!

-Gary

Mike, sadly it'll never work, this entire forum is infested with the video game mentality, your not allowed to own rivaling items in the same field, it is forbidden

what does that mean and how does it apply here? basically every thread turns to **** ;)

the poor mods are doing all they can :(

you know what I say?

"In the land of the fence jumpers, the man who rides the post is king" :D

time to set the egg timer to this thread:( who is gonna ruin it? show yourself!

-Gary

There are not enough games for the PS3 so the owners have to play games on the HD-DVD forums :p

Gary

I know you've taken your own fair share of abuse as a neutral guy. I respect that you've always kept your allegiance to what means the most and that's movies. And you've stayed the bigger person.

I know i've had my "I'm a prick" moments but I do honestly try to see both sides. I figure next year I'll be neutral but I have so many toys to buy just to get caught up I'm going to have to stick with one format for the time being.

D'as ok...by 2008 both formats will be relatively cheap compared to today.

I'm a format flirt. I don't like coffee but I like donuts.

did i hear donuts????

Mike, sadly it'll never work, this entire forum is infested with the video game mentality, your not allowed to own rivaling items in the same field, it is forbidden

what does that mean and how does it apply here? basically every thread turns to **** ;)

the poor mods are doing all they can :(

you know what I say?

"In the land of the fence jumpers, the man who rides the post is king" :D

time to set the egg timer to this thread:( who is gonna ruin it? show yourself!

-Gary

You nailed it Gary. It seems that AVS has been flooded with people from the gaming forums where anything goes and trashing is par for the course. You'll notice that the individuals engaging in this behavior joined the forum only recently, say in the past 6 to 8 month's.

agreed and on both sides. There have been plenty of BD threads ruined and closed as well. I hope that all members enjoy the hell out of their player and software no matter which format. We are all ultimately in this together because we all want our faves on HD media. The more that is purchased will hopefully show the studios that there is a market and it won't go the way of SACD/dvd-a.

:) d

You nailed it Gary. It seems that AVS has been flooded with people from the gaming forums where anything goes and trashing is par for the course. You'll notice that the individuals engaging in this behavior joined the forum only recently, say in the past 6 to 8 month's.

It doesn't help when the "old timers" jump on anyone who voices displeasure, however well worded and supported, as a troll or whiner - or now a console gamer.

Just because someone's new, even if they're not happy with the way things are progressing on the HD-DVD side of things - whether or not they have a Blu Ray player or PS3 - there's no need for the "regulars" to jump all over them.

If you want the format to really succeed, you're going to have to deal with those lowly rabble who dare buy the players and share their opinion. Some of them might not even have spent thousands on their HT systems, yet still think that they have any kind of worthwhile insight on what they personally think about their purchases. :eek:

Gary

I know you've taken your own fair share of abuse as a neutral guy. I respect that you've always kept your allegiance to what means the most and that's movies. And you've stayed the bigger person.

I know i've had my "I'm a prick" moments but I do honestly try to see both sides. I figure next year I'll be neutral but I have so many toys to buy just to get caught up I'm going to have to stick with one format for the time being.

D'as ok...by 2008 both formats will be relatively cheap compared to today.


everyone has their I'm a prick moments, heck sometimes I log into AVS in a bad mood and loose it in a post or 2 ;) :p

if you are a BR fan, there is no reason not to own HD-DVD right now, players can be had for under 300$, the opposite is not quite true, the wonderful Samsung can be had for around 500$ give or take, still not quite as low, I think the worst trolling is the HD on BR type, not to say it doesn't happen vice versa, and the neutral guys, they get it the worst :D

people just don't get it, all it is about is movies in the highest quality possible, if that means 5 formats, I will own them, life is short, whats a 500$ player in the grand scheme? ;)

-Gary

Doesn't really bother me as I just skip those past or theads if I don't want to read them.

Doesn't really bother me as I just skip those past or theads if I don't want to read them.

It is too bad few here have the restraint you possess. It would make this place far less combative.

Doesn't really bother me as I just skip those past or theads if I don't want to read them.

agreed.

I own both formats so have to view both forums, there's childish fanboys in both areas.

AVForums (note the lack of "s"), a UK site has started handing out points for anyone making nasty posts towards other members and for people who go on just to talk rubbish about the opposing format.
3 points for a bad post, 10 points and a weeks ban from posting in the forums

mods need to do something to keep the childish fanboys away

I just hope this format war doesn't really go south...the way DVD-A & SACD did. I love both hi-rez audio formats and as a consequence of the conflict we are left with little of either.

I own both HD-DVD and BD because I just hate to miss out on great software releases for a proprietary format...that's why I own the 360/PS3/Wii consoles. Don't own very many games, but I would hate to miss out on Halo or Gears or Zelda.

There are just too many fine films from Fox, MGM and Columbia that are unique to BD right now (and vice versa with Universal on HD-DVD).

I really appreciate HD in general and particularly HD on disc. I'm old school, having grown-up with 3 channels and tin-foil wrapped rabbit ears sitting atop a hulking console TV. When that's your baseline you really, really appreciate how compelling an HD image is projected on an 84" screen!

I just hope this format war doesn't really go south...the way DVD-A & SACD did. I love both hi-rez audio formats and as a consequence of the conflict we are left with little of either.

I own both HD-DVD and BD because I just hate to miss out on great software releases for a proprietary format...


Right now there is no chance that either format is going south. The only thing heading in that direction is price and we can thank HD DVD for that!

Doesn't really bother me as I just skip those past or theads if I don't want to read them.


same here- I hear enough complaining at work all day long-people driving like a..holes during the commutes to and from work. When I want to relax or find out some valuable info-I'll read into this forum (and others)-but will bypass the ongoing arguments. some are constructive arguments (probablynot the best word to use) and offer some good information-but most are just silliness. But I'm sure I am guilty sometimes about complaining about something here and there-we all do it-but to go out of my way to start up trouble is nonesense.
thetman

What really suprises me is how angry some people are. I just don't get it.
For me there is so much good stuff to read I to skip over the venom.

I can't believe how much fun I'm having with my Home Theatre. HD DVD is the best picture and sound I have had in my setup. No experience with BD so I can't comment on it.

Neal

It is too bad few here have the restraint you possess. It would make this place far less combative.
yourself included.

I'm a wee bit tired of the "Double Agents" as well.

Hey I don't mind discussing the merits or demerits of the platform every now and then but I hate the continued injection of FUD into many of the threads.agreed

It doesn't help when the "old timers" jump on anyone who voices displeasure, however well worded and supported, as a troll or whiner - or now a console gamer.

Just because someone's new, even if they're not happy with the way things are progressing on the HD-DVD side of things - whether or not they have a Blu Ray player or PS3 - there's no need for the "regulars" to jump all over them.

If you want the format to really succeed, you're going to have to deal with those lowly rabble who dare buy the players and share their opinion. Some of them might not even have spent thousands on their HT systems, yet still think that they have any kind of worthwhile insight on what they personally think about their purchases. :eek:

Chronicle -

It isn't just "old timers" jumping on anyone who voices displeasure. Believe me, I am a firm proponent of calling a spade a spade. If something is rotten, I'll say so. What we're referring to here are people who are coming in and starting threads or crafting replies with the sole intent to incite and create argument.

That's just it though. I'm not one to judge others on the choices they've made, but by the same token, when we've got people here who have spent thousands/tens of thousands/over one hundred thousand dollars on their HT setup, they wish to come here, find information and have intelligent discussions, even measured disagreements on the products they own or are considering.

What we don't want to see is entire threads and two almost nearly useless forums because of all the flaimbait being lobbed from both sides, mostly by new members, who have joined just for that very purpose.

That being said, I welcome all opinions, as long as they are presented in an intelligent and informed way.

It doesn't help when the "old timers" jump on anyone who voices displeasure, however well worded and supported, as a troll or whiner - or now a console gamer.

Just because someone's new, even if they're not happy with the way things are progressing on the HD-DVD side of things - whether or not they have a Blu Ray player or PS3 - there's no need for the "regulars" to jump all over them.

If you want the format to really succeed, you're going to have to deal with those lowly rabble who dare buy the players and share their opinion. Some of them might not even have spent thousands on their HT systems, yet still think that they have any kind of worthwhile insight on what they personally think about their purchases. :eek:

I've graduated to being an old timer. :D

There is nothing wrong with new people joining and discussing their hobby here. It does not matter if you own HD DVD or Blu Ray. It's all about the hobby.

The problem is when opinions are expressed they contain condescending and derogatory elements. This is all to common in gamer forums which I believe is spilling over into these forums. How do I know this, well I hang out in gamer forums. You should see my tricked out PC. :cool:

Maybe I am an old timer!! I've been playing games since the days of Wing Commander and Falcon 3.0, DOH!! :D

How do I know this, well I hang out in gamer forums. You should see my tricked out PC. :cool:

Maybe I am an old timer!! I've been playing games since the days of Wing Commander and Falcon 3.0, DOH!! :D

That's what I'm saying. Gamer since '79 here. :cool:

It's not about this so-called "Video Game Mentality" It's about being a little more MATURE then the next-person about certain things.. I'm kinda of new around here & have read some HEATED discussion in theads by Senior Members of this forum. Especially in the BR/HD-DVD Section.

People will be people. Especially if your passionate about your hobby. This goes for anything in life. Yes it could be handled differently, but unfortunately this is the world we live in.

BTW, did I mention this is Message Board :eek:

yourself included.

Exactly my point. A verbal attack from a non-confrontational post.

Self control my friend. It goes a long way for the forum and in life.

Here's my rant. I come to the AVS/HD-DVD forum for news on HD-DVD. I do not come here to read countless opinions on wether my purchase was valid or not. If you are posting in this forum just to attack other posters who are enthusiastic about HD-DVD, why not post somewhere else. If you are enthusiastic about Blu-Ray, post in the Blu-Ray forum. If this is not important to this forum, then let's remove the following line from the forum description.

If you are not here for HD DVD, move on.

Dang! And one of the reasons I come here is for the fighting & arguing - kinda like an online Jerry Springer show. ;)

Actually, the format arguments are about as much fun to watch as a Liberal & Conservative going at each other on Fox News. And I don't watch Fox News. It's usually pretty easy to spot threads that encourage arguments, and I just avoid them. But I do find myself spending a lot less time on AVS because of all the the "strong opinions" . It's faster & easier to just get the news from other sites.

I'm not here for HD DVD. I'm here for great movies with great picture, sound and interactivity.

I could really go for a Bose and/or OAR argument right now, gamers don't have opinions on those topics :D

I could really go for a Bose and/or OAR argument right now, gamers don't have opinions on those topics :D

there is NO argument over OAR :mad:

-Gary

Another "double agent" here
(PS3 and XBOX-HD DVD)

I'm mostly into Home Theater and Movies (in both formats because I want it ALL)

and although I purchased both my HD DVD/Blu Ray players in the form of Game consoles
...I dont consider myself a "gamer",
in fact I haven't actually purchased a game since 1975 :p

http://members.shaw.ca/ecojeeper/atari.jpg

Up until Nov.17/06 (the PS3 Launch date)
Now unfortunately I'm hooked again :(

...and now that you mention it, I DO feel overwhelmingly inclined to antagonize
owners of every format with reckless abandon.

But to be fair, eveyone gets flamed equally:
1) HD DVD for lack of studio support
2) Blu Ray, just because I hate Sony in general
3) PS3 for lack of games (and #2)
4) XBOX 360 HD DVD for lack of HDMI/5.1 analog output/ and no DTS
5) XBOX 360 / I Hate MS, specially for making mandetory on-line updates that are bricking consoles

I now find I even resent Wii players too because watching people jump around
swinging their arms/legs violently in front of a TV is just plain wrong :p


For the record,
I HATE Donuts, but cant live without my Coffee :D
Time for a Timmie's X-Large Double Double eh!
(it's a Canadian thing)

there is NO argument over OAR :mad:

-Gary
Haven't seen a Black Bars thread recently, maybe you're right :eek:
Crazy Screen Fillers *shakes head*

I dont consider myself a "gamer",
in fact I haven't actually purchased a game since 1975 :p

http://members.shaw.ca/ecojeeper/atari.jpg

OMG!!!!!!

You still have the original Atari game system?! :eek:

That's amazing!!! :D :cool:

I'm a DA, and don't claim to know enough to spread FUD, but found myself less welcome on the HD DVD forum after I bought a PS3 (to enjoy the most HD I could, I didnt have a game for weeks) by some members. Now I just browse the articles and hope for more release dates.

So if you own both formats are you considered a double-agent?

No. I figured he was talking about the Ronald C Dinkins' of the world. See this post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9237192&&#post9237192) to clarify.

I think he means he doesn't like to see people coming on here and "pulling a Dinkins" on us.

Another "double agent" here
(PS3 and XBOX-HD DVD)

I'm mostly into Home Theater and Movies (in both formats because I want it ALL)

and although I purchased both my HD DVD/Blu Ray players in the form of Game consoles
...I dont consider myself a "gamer",
in fact I haven't actually purchased a game since 1975 :p

http://members.shaw.ca/ecojeeper/atari.jpg

Up until Nov.17/06 (the PS3 Launch date)
Now unfortunately I'm hooked again :(

...and now that you mention it, I DO feel overwhelmingly inclined to antagonize
owners of every format with reckless abandon.

But to be fair, eveyone gets flamed equally:
1) HD DVD for lack of studio support
2) Blu Ray, just because I hate Sony in general
3) PS3 for lack of games (and #2)
4) XBOX 360 HD DVD for lack of HDMI/5.1 analog output/ and no DTS
5) XBOX 360 / I Hate MS, specially for making mandetory on-line updates that are bricking consoles

I now find I even resent Wii players too because watching people jump around
swinging their arms/legs violently in front of a TV is just plain wrong :p


For the record,
I HATE Donuts, but cant live without my Coffee :D
Time for a Timmie's X-Large Double Double eh!
(it's a Canadian thing)

*LOL* I still have an old Odyssey somewhere, the black and white set it burned in was tossed decades ago.

Don't forget Sony pronouncing again at CES that they won the format war and Fox's crazy projections. This forum merely reflected the zaniness of CES for the past week. Its called a format WAR not a tea party.

Things are settling down now, but I doubt this area will ever be as tame as the display calibration thread. :p

I'm a DA, and don't claim to know enough to spread FUD, but found myself less welcome on the HD DVD forum after I bought a PS3 (to enjoy the most HD I could, I didnt have a game for weeks) by some members. Now I just browse the articles and hope for more release dates.

codeman, ignore the members who are HD DVD fanatics and continue to participate. Everyones opinion is welcome as long as one respects the other members. The problem is that some members, the minority, feel that their opinion is always right. This they feel gives them justification to engage in a crusade. :(

From a guy who already owns 70+ HD DVD, enjoy your PS3. It's all about HD content not HD DVD or Blu Ray. :)

Haven't seen a Black Bars thread recently, maybe you're right :eek:
Crazy Screen Fillers *shakes head*
Well, the OP in a thread on whether or not to buy CASABLANCA was shocked when he learned that it would have black bars on the side: couldn't it be stretched to fit the screen like a "real" movie?

Let's tell him that the colorized version does that. :rolleyes:

Well, the OP in a thread on whether or not to buy CASABLANCA was shocked when he learned that it would have black bars on the side: couldn't it be stretched to fit the screen like a "real" movie?

Let's tell him that the colorized version does that. :rolleyes:

dear Lord save us all :(

-Gary

dear Lord save us all :(

-Gary

Yep...

Hey Gary, how long is the throw from you NEC's lens to the screen?

codeman, ignore the members who are HD DVD fanatics and continue to participate. Everyones opinion is welcome as long as one respects the other members. The problem is that some members, the minority, feel that their opinion is always right. This they feel gives them justification to engage in a crusade. :(

From a guy who already owns 70+ HD DVD, enjoy your PS3. It's all about HD content not HD DVD or Blu Ray. :)
Thanks. I plan to buy 56 movies in high definition this year - 38 from HD DVD and 18 from Blu-ray (assuming that I dont double dip in formats and that all the pending movies get released this year.) It's all about the PQ and AQ that I can get :)

I couldn't believe some HD DVD members were making format neutral owners feel like we were stabbing them in the back by buying into BD also. I'd never heard of such a thing before.

I also can't believe how opinionated some members are about this "war" when they haven't invested one cent into either format. I am here for HD DVD, but I also buy BDs and it amazes me how many "cheerleader' threads there are on both sides. There are so many people here that have fooled themselves into thinking that because of some article they can predict what is going to happen 5...8...10 years down the line. If they put as much effort into their HTs as they did into looking for sales stats they would be much happier campers.

There are so many people here that have fooled themselves into thinking that because of some article they can predict what is going to happen 5...8...10 years down the line....

If I was so good at predicting, I'd get out of home theatre and goose the stock market.... ;)

I wish I could predict even just a few weeks in advance. Then I'd be proclaimed a genius and live happily ever after.

If I was so good at predicting, I'd get out of home theatre and goose the stock market.... ;)

I wish I could predict even just a few weeks in advance. Then I'd be proclaimed a genius and live happily ever after.

We already think you're a genious! ;)

I don't look at it as buying this format or that one. I look at it as buying titles in HD! ;)

The HD format war has taken focus away from what really matters: content. It's almost as if we forgot why we have home theaters. We all love movies/television. We love stories and the characters that encompass them. We don't love them because we pop them in our HD player to marvel at the clarity of the shots and skip ahead to the next "reference" level scene. No, we love the sensory experience of cinematic story-telling. Blu-Ray can **** out all the movies they can handle but how many of them can you honestly consider good or even great stories? How many of them would you be willing to sit down and watch from beginning to end on multiple occassions without pressing the next button so that your craving for pure, shallow eye candy goes unfullfilled. HD is a vessel for the heart that is great content. I'm not a film snob. In fact, I can admit I enjoyed movies like Crank and Underworld. However, I look down at the HD DVD available and upcoming release list and I find myself saying, "Wow, these are actually good movies." I'm not saying that HD DVD doesn't have its share of duds. It just seems that HD DVD is where the movie lovers should go. I love good movies and I love HD. HD DVD marries them in a perfect package.

I think I'll go over to the BD hardware section and tell them I just purchased a 360 addon. I can already feel the love. :D

Cheers,

Grant

I think I'll go over to the BD hardware section and tell them I just purchased a 360 addon. I can already feel the love. :D

Cheers,

Grant

HAHAHA priceless!!! :D

We already think you're a genious! ;)

I quess all those years of reading comic books and listening to Bob Dylan records paid off! :)

Word

I think I'll go over to the BD hardware section and tell them I just purchased a 360 addon. I can already feel the love. :D

Cheers,

Grant

Sounds like an intelligent thing to do. I don't really care what you buy. Most rational people wouldn't care either.

The HD format war has taken focus away from what really matters: content. It's almost as if we forgot why we have home theaters. We all love movies/television. We love stories and the characters that encompass them. We don't love them because we pop them in our HD player to marvel at the clarity of the shots and skip ahead to the next "reference" level scene. No, we love the sensory experience of cinematic story-telling. Blu-Ray can **** out all the movies they can handle but how many of them can you honestly consider good or even great stories? How many of them would you be willing to sit down and watch from beginning to end on multiple occassions without pressing the next button so that your craving for pure, shallow eye candy goes unfullfilled. HD is a vessel for the heart that is great content. I'm not a film snob. In fact, I can admit I enjoyed movies like Crank and Underworld. However, I look down at the HD DVD available and upcoming release list and I find myself saying, "Wow, these are actually good movies." I'm not saying that HD DVD doesn't have its share of duds. It just seems that HD DVD is where the movie lovers should go. I love good movies and I love HD. HD DVD marries them in a perfect package.

I sincerely hope you don't actually believe what you posted. I have both formats with some good movies on both and some lousy movies on both.

There is more studio support for BD. Correct? Therefore, there should be more good movies on BD. Correct? It's just common sense. Or are you saying that only Warner has good movies? Or that a movie on both formats is a better movie if watched on HD DVD? Come back to Earth and just watch a movie you like.

Cannot.......resist........arguing............'bout......... ........the.......................format.................... ................war......................................... ............arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!!!!!

--Jerome

I sincerely hope you don't actually believe what you posted. I have both formats with some good movies on both and some lousy movies on both.

There is more studio support for BD. Correct? Therefore, there should be more good movies on BD. Correct? It's just common sense. Or are you saying that only Warner has good movies? Or that a movie on both formats is a better movie if watched on HD DVD? Come back to Earth and just watch a movie you like.

Bump

Well it's difficult because it is a war. One thing about a war is it needs a victor. I choose to support one format because I want only one format. I feel supporting both formats just delays this process. I made up my mind early on and will stick by HD DVD come hell or high water. There is no room for two competing formats especially with DVD still in it's prime. I feel one format is just taking up space of another's software or hardware. I don't bash other's for having both nor do I hang out in the BR section and boast HD DVD is better, it would be nice if other's didn't either. I hope in a year or so we have a winner Blu Ray or HD DVD and we can have all movies on one format the way it should have been all along.

That's what I'm saying. Gamer since '79 here. :cool:

You both had better have had Pong! :D

I sincerely hope you don't actually believe what you posted. I have both formats with some good movies on both and some lousy movies on both.

There is more studio support for BD. Correct? Therefore, there should be more good movies on BD. Correct? It's just common sense. Or are you saying that only Warner has good movies? Or that a movie on both formats is a better movie if watched on HD DVD? Come back to Earth and just watch a movie you like.

StuDBaker:
Hope is an amazing tool. It can be used as an antidepressant, a motivational spruce, a token of blind courage, confidence, and even happiness, however momentary that may be. But hope used as a means to put down one’s beliefs, however wrong those may be, is just that: a put down. A put down on your own character.
By the way, my next scheduled landing to earth isn't until Thursday. I'll kill the time watching "a movie I like." I sure would hope so.

StuDBaker:
Hope is an amazing tool. It can be used as an antidepressant, a motivational spruce, a token of blind courage, confidence, and even happiness, however momentary that may be. But hope used as a means to put down one’s beliefs, however wrong those may be, is just that: a put down. A put down on your own character.
By the way, my next scheduled landing to earth isn't until Thursday. I'll kill the time watching "a movie I like." I sure would hope so.

You need to be less metaphysical more realistic and honest with yourself. I wasn't putting you down. I was criticizing a statement you made in which you claim that one format has "good" movies and other doesn't. A claim like that is completely absurd. It's one thing to have an opinion based upon realistic observations and facts. It's another to make the statement you made based upon your own biases about this ridiculous "war".

Exactly my point. A verbal attack from a non-confrontational post.

Self control my friend. It goes a long way for the forum and in life.And we should not turn observations in attacks either. Self control bland

You both had better have had Pong! :D

I had Pong. I played it on my 13" B & W TV back when I only picked up one channel, pre cable dayz.

If only Fox can get over their own ridiculous bias and release BHD on HD DVD they wouldn't look & sound like a bunch....

Sony is responsible for BHD.

Who knows of either format will will DVD may win out over all to tell the massed who had VHS fo 30+ years, then DVD for 7-10 years. Oh sorry DVDs going to be replaced by one of 2 new formats. Either blu-ray or HD-DVD. In order to enjoy said format fully you need a HDTV. Players start at 500+ and up however if you have a 360 you can buy a add-on drive for $200. The movies average 20-30 a piece.

DVD players now sell for 27 bucks each my tax on the A1 was more then that. It crazy. Even if HD player go as low as 200 bucks it will be difficult. The massive library of DVD and the cheepness of the player will win out.

For most home HDDVD won't look much better to the average perso. The trazition from VHS to DVD was so different they got rid of all the VHS issues. Better PQ, AQ no rewinding they don't ware out. DVDs can be store in much smaller places. 200 dvds can take up as little as a medim book. 200 VHS take up a lot of room.

It has been refreshing reading all the posts in this topic. For the first time in awhile, the majority of the posts contributed to the actual discussion. Most of us are here for the same reason: movies in HD with lossless sound. That's all that matters in the end. It's a shame to see that some folks like Gary were bashed for being format neutral. Thankfully I haven't been attacked since I picked up a PS3 last weekend. I don't think that anyone here has any stock in the success of either format. It really is disheartening to see that certain "fanboys" defend their "format" till the bitter end.

I agree. I have enjoyed the positive discussion. So far 1,897 have viewed this thread. I think HD content will only grow in popularity based on the strengths of HD, not just the weakness of SD (DVD). If someone was thinking about jumping in to HD movies, I would like to be able to point them to this forum (without a "beware of XXXholes" warning).

If I could get my xbox to play Blu I would add that too, I just don't want any more boxes under my TV.

Sony is responsible for BHD.
Ok Rachael, if you want to get technical about it :D
Fox, Sony, Fony, Sox I get confused.
I stand corrected.
jdawg, I don't think anyone's been attacked for buying a PS3, really.
Besmirched maybe... ;)