i now have my toshiba xa2. what a great deck to go with my 1080p projector. however, i'm just going bonkers trying to find good material that is not standard 480 dvd. seems like blue ray titles are just better, more fun. i'll probably end up getting a ps3 just for movies. when will hd dvd bring out the big gun titles?
anyone know what the heck they're waiting for?

You don't like any of the 150 titles already out on HD DVD ? If not, why buy a player?
J

In before the lock and jets of flame starts :)

I share what I think is the original poster's issue. Look at the pretty darn impressive list of BluRay titles for 2007. It's enough to send me shopping for a PS3 in a month or so. HD-DVD could certainly muster an equally impressive list, but...I haven't heard of it yet. Have I missed it?

Given the broad support of HD-DVD by the studios, there is a tremendous potential release list. I like seeing the trend of recent releases starting to kick in, but with things like HP, IJ, LOTR, and so many more (Top Gun would be a personal fun title), there is a huge potential that seems to be lagging.

I have enjoyed all the HD-DVDs so far, but there's a ton of potential that is not tapped yet, and needs to be sooner than later.

Do you think that Sony will have some issues trying to replicate all those titles?

HD DVD still has more titles, look it up. Chill out and enjoy some classics.

i now have my toshiba xa2. what a great deck to go with my 1080p projector. however, i'm just going bonkers trying to find good material that is not standard 480 dvd. seems like blue ray titles are just better, more fun. i'll probably end up getting a ps3 just for movies. when will hd dvd bring out the big gun titles?
anyone know what the heck they're waiting for?

It sounds like you are happy with the BD player and offerings , I'd go with it.

Art

I'm an HD-DVD supporter but I agree with what the original poster said...Blu-Ray has more appealing titles. That's not to say HD-DVD doesn't have any...to say it doesn't would be ludicrous. Overall however...Blu-Ray has more impressive one/must have titles with support from Fox, Disney and instant classics from Sony Pictures. Denying that fact is either one being naive or choosing to be a format blind loyalist.


I'm not going to be able to contain myself too long with Spiderman, X-Men, Pixar movies and many more not available on HD-DVD. The PS3 is looking like a very possible buy for me. Blu-Ray's twisting my arm with those titles and future ones. I'm going to be patient....but I'm only so strong. If I just give in so easily...I'm just adding fuel to the format war fire. I want this thing to die out as soon as possible therefore I stick to one......for now. If signs don't show up of the sand possibly settling...I'm going to just have to go out and get the PS3 to have those must have Blu-Ray titles.

in the end if you enjoy movies you will own both formats, it is inevitable

The problem is not HD-DVD, it's sony and their exclusivity, they force blu-ray into the PS3, force you to buy blu-ray if you want their titles. Screw that. Most HD-DVD titles are not exclusive. I'm not going to be forced to give sony $600 of my money just because they have some exclusive titles. I'd rather watch them on DVD until Sony caves under studio pressure. Look at the sales charts on amazon, Hd-DVD has been kicking blu-ray in the pants since the start of this format war, if you buy into the accuracy of the chart. More titles are on the way. Check the chart out today:
http://www.hdgamedb.com/amazon/history.aspx

I'm just saying, if blu-ray sales continue to stink, maybe these studios will stop being exclusive, and we can have titles released in both formats, then everyone wins, because then we have competition and we can actually compare the merits of each format on a cost vs. performance ratio. You've got to wow people with the quality, and you've got to make it cheap enough for them to jump in and offer titles they will like. No one is going to win the way it stands now. Blu-ray is too expensive, titles in both formats are inconsistent, you can't get every title on one format. All of these point to J6p sitting on the fence.

I enjoy movies and will never (and yes you can quote me on that) NEVER own blu-ray.

I don't look at it as owning this format or that one. I look at it as owning movies in HD...

I enjoy movies and will never (and yes you can quote me on that) NEVER own blu-ray.Feel free to quote me on this, too. I'll get my HD from HD DVD, cable, D-VHS and OTA...and *NEVER* from Blu-ray!

People keep bringing up Spiderman...well, I'll take what I have in hand before something that hasn't been released yet. Plenty of great HD DVDs to be had right now. And, yes, I am a dual format owner.

You know what I just :) realized while reading the above posts?

Bullying, came to mind. :D

The corporate entities & decision-makers responsible for marketing BluRay are now attempting to "derail the train" so to speak......to modify the behavior/thoughts of HD DVD early adopters.......by strongly encouraging them to switch camps......and a secondary objective is (of course) to keep the "ranks" from increasing as well; by employing the exclusivity-tactics & promises (at this point at least) of future members-only privileges.

I'm old school, so I believe you stand up to bullies (with your wallets now), because as most of us learned while growing up, until you do you'll always walk in fear of them, or what they "say/promise" :rolleyes: they'll do.

I love movies in high definition like everyone here, but integrity of character is more important to me than what may or may not be released in either format.

i'm the op. i don't work for any studio. i believe that i have enjoyed the product of many different studios. i got hd dvd because i think that generally the current players are associated with better pq. so, i'm neutral and i believe that you guys really are too. we just want good material in hd, period. getting this seems to mean titles, not potential. it just seems to me that the hd dvd people are holding back material for something, i don't know what. i'm not familiar with the inner workings of studios, but i feel that every tuesday there should be something fun to watch( or maybe they can develop some other system). it seems to me that the blueray people have taken this approach much more so than hd dvd. hd dvd should get more good titles out more quickly. forget some format war, we should all be asking where's the beef.

I think Hd dvd seems to be holding back for some reason.Until they can start putting out new Hd dvd's every Tuesday like dvd the format is going to be slow to grow.They seem to dragging their feet on Harry Potter,Lotr and a lot of other older ones that I would by.At this rate I see them really lagging behind Blu ray in the next few months.I think Hd dvd is to blame for a lot of people owning both formats.They got people hooked on Hi Def dvds but now they can't produce.I have got hooked on Hi Def and if it takes both formats to meet my demands so be it.

I'm an HD-DVD supporter but I agree with what the original poster said...Blu-Ray has more appealing titles. That's not to say HD-DVD doesn't have any...to say it doesn't would be ludicrous. Overall however...Blu-Ray has more impressive one/must have titles with support from Fox, Disney and instant classics from Sony Pictures. Denying that fact is either one being naive or choosing to be a format blind loyalist.


or it could be that my taste skews more towards content like Out Of Sight, The Sting, Deer Hunter, and American Werewolf- than it does Crank, Mr & Mrs Smith, Chain Reaction, Independance Day, and Planet Of The Apes (2001).

there were an awful lot of titles mentioned/announced at CES. Very few of those I've felt a need to even own on a $5 dvd let alone a $35 HD.

So far the wheat-to-chaff ratio has favored HD by a good margin, IMO.

I'm an HD-DVD supporter but I agree with what the original poster said...Blu-Ray has more appealing titles. That's not to say HD-DVD doesn't have any...to say it doesn't would be ludicrous. Overall however...Blu-Ray has more impressive one/must have titles with support from Fox, Disney and instant classics from Sony Pictures. Denying that fact is either one being naive or choosing to be a format blind loyalist.


Universal, Warner, and New Line dominate my DVD collection so I would disagree with the "fact" that Sony, Disney, and Fox are putting out better content.

But lucky for me I have players for both and can buy the good releases on either one :D

I enjoy movies and will never (and yes you can quote me on that) NEVER own blu-ray.


Why not? Its possible to get HD DVD like quality in Blu-Ray for only 1500 bucks(THREE times the cost of HD DVD)

Why not? Its possible to get HD DVD like quality in Blu-Ray for only 1500 bucks(THREE times the cost of HD DVD)

Wow, I guess I must have got my Blu-ray player for 67% off then. :rolleyes:

I'm banking on studio's to come over the format neutral . I'll never get blu-ray either .
Will upconvert what I have not till corps smarten up !! Go HD-Dvd !! Rah rah Rah !!!
LETS SEE SOME TITLES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Beef !!!!!!!!!!!!
Blue Ray for more money and "possibly" near quality does not work for me .......

If your not here for Hd-DVd please dont post , where have I seen that before ???

Bob

The HD format war has taken focus away from what really matters: content. It is almost as if we forgot why we have home theaters. We all love movies/television. We love stories and the characters that encompass them. We do not love them because we pop them in our HD player to marvel at the clarity of the shots and skip ahead to the next "reference" level scene. No, we love the sensory experience of cinematic storytelling. Blu-Ray can **** out all the movies they can handle but how many of them can you honestly consider good or even great stories? How many of them would you be willing to sit down and watch from beginning to end on multiple occasions without pressing the next chapter button so that your craving for pure, shallow eye candy goes unfulfilled? HD is a vessel for the heart that is great content. I'm not a film snob. In fact, I can admit I enjoyed movies like Crank and Underworld. However, I look down at the HD DVD available and upcoming release list and I find myself saying, "Wow, these are actually good movies." I am not saying that HD DVD does not have its share of duds. It seems that HD DVD is where movie lovers should go. I love good movies and I love HD. HD DVD marries them in a perfect package.

You don't like any of the 150 titles already out on HD DVD ? If not, why buy a player?
J


That would be my first question. My second would be why is he trolling here trying to start a fire?

It sounds like you are happy with the BD player and offerings , I'd go with it.

Art

Much classier response that the Blu-Ray nutjobs would have given him if the shoe were on the other foot.

You know what I just :) realized while reading the above posts?

Bullying, came to mind. :D

The corporate entities & decision-makers responsible for marketing BluRay are now attempting to "derail the train" so to speak......to modify the behavior/thoughts of HD DVD early adopters.......by strongly encouraging them to switch camps......and a secondary objective is (of course) to keep the "ranks" from increasing as well; by employing the exclusivity-tactics & promises (at this point at least) of future members-only privileges.

I'm old school, so I believe you stand up to bullies (with your wallets now), because as most of us learned while growing up, until you do you'll always walk in fear of them, or what they "say/promise" :rolleyes: they'll do.

I love movies in high definition like everyone here, but integrity of character is more important to me than what may or may not be released in either format.

You call it bullying, I call it business. "Derail the train?" Certainly, any business attempts to "derail" the competition. Blu-ray backers have a lot of investment in the format. More investment, one could argue, than HD DVD since there are more investors in BDA than in the HD DVD format. So businesses routinely try to convince people not to use a competing format and to use theirs instead. Is it bullying when HSU argues why their sub is more musical and deeper than the SVS equivalent? Is it bullying when Coke tries to convince you that cooler people drink it than Pepsi? No. It's business. The BDA is the same way. They have a different product with some different featuresets and they offer it for an equivalent price. So while I don't disagree with your assessment that they'd love to convince you of the value of BD over HD DVD, I do disagree that it's bullying. I mean, if you get that upset about it, you must get upset at every commercial that advertises a product you don't use for bullying, right? ;)

Nah, I don't buy it. Now perhaps you're biased toward HD DVD and you're naturally afraid that people will begin migrating over to the Other Side now that there are more movies on that side than on HD DVD (unlike last year), but really. Don't try and make it a moral/ethical story about standing up to the Evil Corporations. For as we all know, BDA may have Sony, but HD DVD has Microsoft. And I'd say that MS's done some dark deeds in its past. ;)

or it could be that my taste skews more towards content like Out Of Sight, The Sting, Deer Hunter, and American Werewolf- than it does Crank, Mr & Mrs Smith, Chain Reaction, Independance Day, and Planet Of The Apes (2001).

there were an awful lot of titles mentioned/announced at CES. Very few of those I've felt a need to even own on a $5 dvd let alone a $35 HD.

So far the wheat-to-chaff ratio has favored HD by a good margin, IMO.

or it could be that my taste skews more towards content like Black Hawk Down, Kingdom of Heaven, Tears of the Sun, and Ice Age 2- than it does Dukes of Hazzard, Doom, Aeon Flux, The Hulk, and How the Grinch Stole Christmas.

there were an awful lot of titles mentioned/announced at CES. Very few of those I've felt a need to even own on a $5 dvd let alone a $30 HD DVD.

So far the announced wheat-to-chaff ratio favors BD by a good margin, IMO.

c'mon, you guys are too determined to keep up this format talk. what do you care? i certainly don't care about br or hddvd. to care about that is like caring about I5 vs I10. its like lets argue which road to jersey has the best little reflectors on the white lines.
my initial post is about the fact that i do have hd dvd. i have the very best player now, xa2. where the heck is jurasic park, star wars movies, lotr, private ryan, silence of the lambs, naked gun, jaws, platoon, the haunting, bram stokers? c'mon we all can keep going naming titles that are missing in action. you all have hd of one form or the other not to prove some point about software storage on disc, but because you too want to see these movies. my point is that hddvd needs to be pushed to start putting out the content. only making this clear will get us more titles more quickly.


the following was added in an edit. i saw this posted on another thread:

Why doesn' Paramount/Dreamworks SKG release the likes of Shrek, Shrek 2, Madagascar, Over The Hedge....all on HD-DVD? They aren't even listed in the upcoming but unscheduled releases. Ludicrous!

this is similar to what i mean.

I think Hd dvd seems to be holding back for some reason.Until they can start putting out new Hd dvd's every Tuesday like dvd the format is going to be slow to grow.They seem to dragging their feet on Harry Potter,Lotr and a lot of other older ones that I would by.At this rate I see them really lagging behind Blu ray in the next few months.I think Hd dvd is to blame for a lot of people owning both formats.They got people hooked on Hi Def dvds but now they can't produce.I have got hooked on Hi Def and if it takes both formats to meet my demands so be it.


Good point ! I also went both formats because of the deathly silence. I'm quite enjoying my Panasonic right now. How long do we have to wait for the HDDVD big guns , Feb,March,April or May ? Don't say June ! I know they said have patience last month as big things were going to happen but please throw us a freaking bone please.

I enjoy movies and will never (and yes you can quote me on that) NEVER own blu-ray.

We might have different reasons but I I am with you on that. I will never buy a BD related product sadly that has prevented me from buying a PS3 which at its price I still would have gotten. Like you I can be quoted on this statement.

It seems to me people are confused where their threads should be. This thread seems like a big pat on the back of Sony's Blu-Ray then anything else. I enjoy tons of titles on HD-DVD right now. I also enjoy tons of titles on Blu-Ray.

However, I'm not so insipid as to make a thread which has a sole purpose of angering the devout HD-DVD owners on their part of the forum. Then again, what sort of short sighted fool would buy a player for a format whose movies they do not like?

Why not? Its possible to get HD DVD like quality in Blu-Ray for only 1500 bucks(THREE times the cost of HD DVD)

Is Whopper for real ...does he tells whoppers like this all the time?

It seems to me people are confused where their threads should be. This thread seems like a big pat on the back of Sony's Blu-Ray then anything else. I enjoy tons of titles on HD-DVD right now. I also enjoy tons of titles on Blu-Ray.

However, I'm not so insipid as to make a thread which has a sole purpose of angering the devout HD-DVD owners on their part of the forum. Then again, what sort of short sighted fool would buy a player for a format whose movies they do not like?

obviously you are one of those format war people. i'm a big tent guy, so i truly believe that your opinion is ok. my opinion is ok too. hd dvd needs to bring out better titles now. some are very good, what do you do keep getting those over and over again? more good titles are already there and need to show up in hd dvd. fact is many of the best are not even announced on the list. why is that ok?

obviously you are one of those format war people. i'm a big tent guy, so i truly believe that your opinion is ok. my opinion is ok too. hd dvd needs to bring out better titles now. some are very good, what do you do keep getting those over and over again? more good titles are already there and need to show up in hd dvd. fact is many of the best are not even announced on the list. why is that ok?


Classy reply darrylb. We need more "Big Tent" people here. One should not feel guilty for buying what they need to complete their entertainment experience. I remember feeling guilty for building a PC after years of being Mac only. I soon got over it because I realize that the person I'm here to serve commercially is myself and my family.

That being said I'm supporting HD DVD strongly for this year and if I still don't like what I see in 2008 I'll investigate my Blu-ray options. Everyone needs to make up their own mind about how they see things playing out and what they need for themselves.

What I find interesting is how long it took the Studios to get some big titles out on DVD. Both formats have been out for less then a year and it seems like we expect them to have all the major movies transfered and boxed for us to pick up. Star Wars was truly one late franchise to hit DVD do you really think it will make it to HD DVD or BR in the first two years?

It is ironic that the Studios are expecting good sales, but yet they also hold back some of the franchises that could allow either technology to really start selling. I think we just need to have more paitence is all. Personally Like a lot of Universal's movies and with WB being neutral I am more then content to keep buying into HD DVD. All I can say is once LOTR comes out I could die a happy man and I don't even care if I double dip on that set. In a perfect world all studios would be neutral and consumers could actually decide the fate of a technology.

I'm just saying, if blu-ray sales continue to stink, maybe these studios will stop being exclusive, and we can have titles released in both formats, then everyone wins, because then we have competition and we can actually compare the merits of each format on a cost vs. performance ratio. You've got to wow people with the quality, and you've got to make it cheap enough for them to jump in and offer titles they will like. No one is going to win the way it stands now. Blu-ray is too expensive, titles in both formats are inconsistent, you can't get every title on one format. All of these point to J6p sitting on the fence.
Best thought I've seen in a while. If more studios go neutral (and better movies offered), they should sales increase - no doubt. This would get the fence-sitters to get into the game.

Being an HD DVD fan since release, I agree that BD has some movies I like, but can't justify spending more $$ on another player. Heck, my AV rack is pretty full already! Of course, one of the two PS3s I just bought this week to sell on eBay for a few $$ might fall out of the box for a test run. Since my local BB rents BDs, no real cost to me with my BBO total access free in-store rental... I could even rent a movie that I own on HD DVD and do an A-B comparison...could be fun!

Bottom line: More content, please!

obviously you are one of those format war people. i'm a big tent guy, so i truly believe that your opinion is ok. my opinion is ok too. hd dvd needs to bring out better titles now. some are very good, what do you do keep getting those over and over again? more good titles are already there and need to show up in hd dvd. fact is many of the best are not even announced on the list. why is that ok?
Why am I a format war person? You tell me how this thread does anything then whine and pat Sony on the back. I like Casino, Goodfellas, Breakfast Club, Clerks 2, Batman Returns, V for Vendetta, etc...

I also own a PS3 as of last week. I like several movies on Blu-Ray as well. Saw, J&SBSB, The Devils Rejects, Total Recall, etc...

However this thread is clearly biased based on the your own opinions of Sony's catalogue superiority. One in which a big tent type of person usually sees clearly. You must despise all of the Warner titles out for both formats too, to make your arugement even make a little sense.

You don't fool me, you don't fool people that actually own both players. Why not just create this thread and talk about how much you love Sony's titles up in the Blu-Ray software thread?

Don't worry, I'll join you. I'm not going to pretend I'm open to both formats however and clearly have an agenda while antagonizing the side I don't care for.

I think the bottom line is, we need more movies to choose from. I'm mainly buying movies I don't already own on DVD, except for a few of my favorites. I'm not interested in spending $30 on a HD movies I've already seen 3 times on DVD. I'm also not interested in buying a Blu-ray player unless it hits a $100-200 price point. So I'm like everyone else, a shiney new A2 HD DVD player, and a limited selection of movies to chose from. One ends up buying movies one doesn't especially care about, just to own some HD content.

People are dying for content. The movies companies are leaving money on the table by not releasing more. If you snooze, you loose.

there is another thread in this forum that complains about the lack of hd dvd content. its called i just ran out of titles to watch. my sentiments exactly. hd dvd somehow needs to get the lead out. they have the economic advantage. churn out more stuff

I'm reading this kind of stuff and just thinking that some folks (ie - manufacturers (not posters)) have way too much adreneline in their systems. Because of that I am waiting out the war until a format wins and content is constantly available from all the studios. In the meantime I am going to get an Oppo 981 and watch the movies I have already bought in as good a format as I can with my budget and space constraints.