I was thinking about this - you know, January is generally a slow release/news month, we have gotten a ton of great titles so far, and the situation with the upcoming release schedule isn't that bad/will be resolved.

BUT, I think our impatience is being amplified - either consciously or unconsciously - since we all know deep down that anything SD DVD is now a waste of time, vastly inferior, and much more uninteresting by comparison.

Prior to HD DVD - we would have still been interested in new SD DVD developments, releases, new ways to play them, buying them, etc. But now most of us have stopped buying SD DVD completely for several months and we can even see/feel that doing something as relatively "harmless" as just renting SD DVDs is still a waste of money by comparison.

The need to compete in the format war adds extra pressure too - but I think mainly it's so hard to be patient because HD DVD is so good. HD DVD is so awesome to us that it's like excellent, pure crack-cocaine that we need to live while dealing with SD DVD is like sniffing markers by comparison.

I think many of us would have waited several more weeks before complaining/worrying at all - if this wasn't the case...

I don't share the same opinion.

I've been getting a lot of enjoyment catching up with sd dvds I've bought and haven't watched until now.
Like the Bd'ers keep harping about- content is king.
I find that the resolution limitation isn't a big deal for me, but EE and ringing are what can take me out of the moment. Thankfully, the last few sd movies I've watched have had these thing in check for the most part.

The only part of my collection that I look at and shake my head at now are all the non anamorphic discs of titles that won't be getting an SE DVD anytime soon, let alone an HD version. Coincidentally, 95% of these happen to be from studios that are exclusive to Bd.
So I'm doubly screwed.

BUT, I think our impatience is being amplified - either consciously or unconsciously - since we all know deep down that anything SD DVD is now a waste of time, vastly inferior, and much more uninteresting by comparison.

Prior to HD DVD - we would have still been interested in new SD DVD developments, releases, new ways to play them, buying them, etc. But now most of us have stopped buying SD DVD completely for several months and we can even see/feel that doing something as relatively "harmless" as just renting SD DVDs is still a waste of money by comparison.


Really? I bought 11 SD DVDs last week. Sure, I'ld have prefered to buy HD DVDs, but I'm more interested in content than just a pretty picture. There is WAY too many titles out there thatI don't own yet, that will probably never be on HD. I'm not going to limit myself to just whats on HD, especially since the A1 is great at upscaling. In fact, I really don't understand the mentality of "HD or nothing". Its just too limiting.
J

There is WAY too many titles out there thatI don't own yet, that will probably never be on HD. I'm not going to limit myself to just whats on HD, especially since the A1 is great at upscaling. In fact, I really don't understand the mentality of "HD or nothing". Its just too limiting.
I agree, thousands upon thousands of titles on DVD from hundreds of studios worldwide versus a couple hundred HD titles from a handful of studios.

I guess if you mostly only like what mainstream Hollywood shovels out "HD or nothing" is for you.

Not to mention an enormous portion of my collection (http://www.dvdaficionado.com/dvds.html?cat=1&id=sehnzeleid) will either take years to come to HD on either format or simply never will. Cannibal Holocaust, Mr. Vampire 1992, Alien from the Deep, This Night I'll Possess Your Corpse, Buppah Rahtree, Sars Wars, or Viy or Spirit of Evil on HD DVD or Blu-ray? ...maybe in 2017.

I haven't purchased a single SD DVD since owning my HD DVD player. In fact, I've been trading in most of my SD DVD library.

The frustrating thing about HD DVD right now is not so much that January is "slow," but the fact that there is no hope on the horizon. Looking all the way past April, there are currently only two titles that I'm interested in that have been announced. I guess for me, it's the lack of future announced titles, that is causing a problem. If there were 20 titles in February that I was interested in, then a slow January wouldn't be a problem at all.

Yea, it looks like Q1 is pretty dead, hopefully the rest of the year willbe better. If not, I have a great DVD player.
J

I was thinking about this - you know, January is generally a slow release/news month, we have gotten a ton of great titles so far, and the situation with the upcoming release schedule isn't that bad/will be resolved.

BUT, I think our impatience is being amplified - either consciously or unconsciously - since we all know deep down that anything SD DVD is now a waste of time, vastly inferior, and much more uninteresting by comparison.

Prior to HD DVD - we would have still been interested in new SD DVD developments, releases, new ways to play them, buying them, etc. But now most of us have stopped buying SD DVD completely for several months and we can even see/feel that doing something as relatively "harmless" as just renting SD DVDs is still a waste of money by comparison.

The need to compete in the format war adds extra pressure too - but I think mainly it's so hard to be patient because HD DVD is so good. HD DVD is so awesome to us that it's like excellent, pure crack-cocaine that we need to live while dealing with SD DVD is like sniffing markers by comparison.

I think many of us would have waited several more weeks before complaining/worrying at all - if this wasn't the case...

Well, I'm pretty patient these days for new HD/Blu-ray releases, because there is a very big hole in my wallet. :)

Anyway, whenever I order from my favorite web site for new upcoming DVD releases, I first check the HD/Blu-ray section before I order the standard DVD. Now, I only buy DVD's if I know it won't be released on high definition for awhile. Yeah, I'm an official HD/Blu-rayHolic. :)

I can still watch SD DVDs but I find background noise and artifacts bug me now after watching HDDVDs which in most cases are flawless in those areas it can be hard to watch...

Sometimes ill even watch a laserdisc from time to time. Although I've only got a 30" CRT HDTV so the diffrences in formats on a large FP setup must be mind bogling. I'm gessing that why VHS didn't allow FP to tack off as a VHS at that size would really look terible. VHS looks bad on a small screen...

But I think (hope) universal will anounce a lot of movie soon. Prehapps japan is on their minds at the momment as well as the UK who just got HDDVD...

Might watch pulp fiction tonight on SD DVD. Such a great movie the PQ isn't super important although I'd love to see it on HDDVD.

Really? I bought 11 SD DVDs last week. Sure, I'ld have prefered to buy HD DVDs, but I'm more interested in content than just a pretty picture. There is WAY too many titles out there thatI don't own yet, that will probably never be on HD. I'm not going to limit myself to just whats on HD, especially since the A1 is great at upscaling. In fact, I really don't understand the mentality of "HD or nothing". Its just too limiting.
J

Big J,

Since you are more interested in content, just out of curiosity, have you bought a Blu-ray player yet? I ask because there are a lot of really nice titles coming out over the next 60 days or so and it should continue indefinately. I personally am more about content as well. I feel both Blu-ray and HD-DVD produce a nice viewing experience.

~Josh

Since I'm using the HD-A1 not only for HD DVD but also for SD DVD, I have actually started to purchase DVD's like I did from 1999 to 2004... around 30~40 titles per month. This is due to the fact that the HD-A1 is SOOOO good at up upscaling so SD DVD's look really good.

Even when I purchase HD DVD's or BD's (Theater only use for now) I still buy the SD DVD version for the video server for the rest of the house.

For me, SD DVD still have ALOT of life left even when one or both HD formats take off.

I'm not buying SD DVD content but I am still renting it. I prefer to watch movies in HD but if not, I'm happy to watch it on my upscaling player. Once again, the actual content is what's important.

P.S. That crack cocaine reference was very weird.

The impatience is from seeing so many great titles coming for BD in the next three months and seeing so few compelling titles listed for release on HD DVD.

Sure, it's January and it's slow. But slow for BD seems to be pretty quick now compared to just a couple months ago when the situation was reversed. It is quite odd and it is enough to make one wonder what is going on in the HD DVD camp.

Big J,

Since you are more interested in content, just out of curiosity, have you bought a Blu-ray player yet? I ask because there are a lot of really nice titles coming out over the next 60 days or so and it should continue indefinately. I personally am more about content as well. I feel both Blu-ray and HD-DVD produce a nice viewing experience.

~Josh
No, not yet. Right now, there are only a few movies on the BR list that I'm interested in. That said, there is a good chance I'll buy into BR sometime this year, if they ,eet a few requirements:
1) there has to be more exclusive BR movies oit that I want.
2) They have to make a stand alone player that's at least as good as my A1, at a reasonable price. (Don't even go into the PS3 argument, its not a consideration).
J

My purchasing of SD-DVD has completely died since I've had the A1, but I now rent a lot more.

i agree with the original poster...in my opinion it's worthless to buy SD DVDs at this point, unless it's a TV show you know isn't coming to high def for a while, or it's a cartoon.

I'm with the OP as well. I stopped buying SDDVDs a year ago and have no intention of going back.

HD to me isn't the end all,be all.I'd rather have the content,regardless of the media it's presented on.I own the 360 HD add-on,and have seen 4 movies in HD(Bourne,Batman Begins,The Mummy,Superman Returns). Prior to seeing the HDDVD versions,I saw these movies either in the theatre or on SD-DVD.While the added visual quality was nice,I can't say it made me enjoy the movie anymore.I see some members on here admit to buying movies they wouldn't ordinarily bother with,but only gave it the time of day because it was Hi-def.I can't say I understand this metality,but to each his/her own.

SD-DVD,the 200 plus I own,will always have a place in my home.I can watch them anywhere,on my dvd player,my PS2,my xbox 360,my desktop computer,laptop,portable DVD player.The same can't be said for these HD movie disks.

I've stopped purchasing DVDs as well. I do pick up some Fox and Sony titles occasionally, however those are very rare purchases. I have over a $150 in Best Buy Credits and can't think of a single movie I'd like to purchase!

I was thinking about this - you know, January is generally a slow release/news month, we have gotten a ton of great titles so far, and the situation with the upcoming release schedule isn't that bad/will be resolved.

BUT, I think our impatience is being amplified - either consciously or unconsciously - since we all know deep down that anything SD DVD is now a waste of time, vastly inferior, and much more uninteresting by comparison.

I've watched a few LD titles this past week (including the first three Bond films in CAV), plus a couple home made DVDs, a VHS tape, and some incidental cable movie transmissions. Saturday, I picked up a great $7 SD DVD ("Go Tell The Spartans") and then three more at 10% off on Sunday ($20 for the three -- including a Basil Rathbone Sherlock Holmes collection). Would have picked up the original "All The King's Men", but I was too cheap to drop $13.50 on it :).

I occasionally watch an HD DVD, but I've just got SO MUCH other content on hand, they simply aren't an issue. In fact, out of my 17 HD DVDs, 11 are still waiting to be opened. Too much other good stuff for me to get too concerned over them. After the upcoming 300 titles start to show, I'll eventually place other orders, though can't say when I would get around to watching them :).

This Night I'll Possess Your Corpse
Now ThAT has GOT to be a cult classic! :)

I also have greatly reduced my purchase of DVDs. The movies studios are losing money, because there's not enough selection of HD DVDs available I'm interested in buying, and I'm not interested in buying DVDs anymore.

They are losing DVD sales, and they are not being replaced by HD DVD sales, which they would be if there was a better selection.

i agree with the original poster...in my opinion it's worthless to buy SD DVDs at this point, unless it's a TV show you know isn't coming to high def for a while, or it's a cartoon.
I have completely stopped buying any SD-DVD.
Right now either I'll just wait till it hits a HD/BD format or I'll rent/unbox(internet stream)

Anymore anything SD-DVD seems a waste of money on inferior product.
I've even lost interest to a point in all of my burned movies.

Well for me. It depends on the movie. I watched Apollo 13 yesterday and was totally underwelmed with the whole HD thing. The picture was so soft that for me the DVD version would have been fine.

I watched Serenity on Friday and was blown away by the PQ. I have this movie in DVD and though it was a vast improvement.

A few months ago a watched Pirates (Dead Mans Chest) on DVD and unconverted on my A2 most would have sworn it was HD! I was extremely happy with just the DVD version of that film.

So the way I'm going about choosing which HD-DVD to buy from now one is to Netflix it and if the PQ is incredible and is that much better than DVD I’m going to purchase the movie (at least the good ones). If they are only slightly better than the unconverted DVD like Apollo 13 I'll most likely stick with DVD's

The exceptions are a select few series like Harry Potter, LOTR, Matrix, Star Wars which all will be purchase in HD-DVD if and when they come out.

For me,movies like LOTR,Star Wars,Matrix,Spiderman,xmen etc with their effects would be ideal for Hidef and certainly worthy purchases.I don't necessarily feel the urge to buy Seabiscuit just because it's in Hi-def.

I could not agree more with the title of this thread. I cannot watch SD anymore... :)

Yea, it looks like Q1 is pretty dead, hopefully the rest of the year willbe better. If not, I have a great DVD player.
J

Yep, and anyone interpretting a virtually dead Q1 as anything other than a huge mistake by the studios "supporting" the HD DVD Group is kidding themselves. It is a huge blow to the format, and it will be difficult (but not impossible) to dig themselves out of this mess -- especially if March is as sparse as February appears to be.

i agree with amiable, i work with movies everyday and it's hard not to buy stuff sometimes just b/c i know that eventually i'll be replaced and i just don't feel like double dipping on something. and if it's something that i really want to see, i just netflix it. it's hard to not buy a big set like lotr or rocky b/c i want to see them but just realize that even on new releases, they still won't look like hd. so, basically b/c of this, i buy hds/blurays that normally i wouldn't just to see the quality

Yep, and anyone interpretting a virtually dead Q1 as anything other than a huge mistake by the studios "supporting" the HD DVD Group is kidding themselves. It is a huge blow to the format, and it will be difficult (but not impossible) to dig themselves out of this mess -- especially if March is as sparse as February appears to be.
I wouldn't go that far. All it would take is a bunch of titles to come out March or April to reverse this. March is going to be a huge month for imported HD DVDs. Time will tell.
J

There have been and continue to be a CRAPLOAD of BDs released this month.

The problem for HD DVD is that more and more people are eyeing-up that $500 PS3 and seeing the tons of BDs just sitting there.

Sooner or later we're all buying into BD.

Yep, and anyone interpretting a virtually dead Q1 as anything other than a huge mistake by the studios "supporting" the HD DVD Group is kidding themselves. It is a huge blow to the format, and it will be difficult (but not impossible) to dig themselves out of this mess -- especially if March is as sparse as February appears to be.

This post by Amir bears on this subject: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9536905&&#post9536905

There have been and continue to be a CRAPLOAD of BDs released this month.
And yet, still nothing I want to own.

The problem for HD DVD is that more and more people are eyeing-up that $500 PS3 and seeing the tons of BDs just sitting there.

Sooner or later we're all buying into BD.

I'm certainly not going to buy a game console to watch movies. If they come out with a decent stand alone player for $500, I'll consider it, assuming they eventually put out movies I want to own. Time will tell.
J

I think the "Trojan Horse" ploy worked...for a while. The studios took a breath, stepped back, and are waiting for the dust from the PS3 to clear. Slowly, what they are starting to see is....shelves full of unsold PS3 consoles. :cool:

I wouldn't go that far. All it would take is a bunch of titles to come out March or April to reverse this. March is going to be a huge month for imported HD DVDs. Time will tell.
J

Thank God for imported DVD's. I have Total Recall and I'll buy the UK version of The Prestige.

This post by Amir bears on this subject: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9536905&&#post9536905

Nice to see HD DVD feels safe "taking a breather" while the faithful wait for titles to trickle in. :rolleyes:

#1 rule : Content is king.

I do admit that I've not purchased any SD DVDs since Pixar's Cars, but it hasn't been that I've given up on the format completely, it is that there hasn't been anything I've wanted to see that badly that wasn't also being released on HD DVD or Blu-Ray, either day and date, or shortly thereafter.

I may be in the minority here, but quite frankly, I prefer to watch movies that I truly enjoy more than once, than to purchase every release and end up regretting it or having unwatched discs.

As the OP's sig states, the Toshiba is an amazing up-converting SD player, so why should anyone be depriving themselves of content solely because it isn't released on a specific format? I'm not going to buy just because something is in HD. The fact that it is a great release should sell the disc, and HD is just a bonus. The medium is not the message.

Just because the Mustang II and Porsche 914 are a Mustang and a Porsche doesn't make them all that good....

#1 rule : Content is king.

I do admit that I've not purchased any SD DVDs since Pixar's Cars, but it hasn't been that I've given up on the format completely, it is that there hasn't been anything I've wanted to see that badly that wasn't also being released on HD DVD or Blu-Ray, either day and date, or shortly thereafter.

I may be in the minority here, but quite frankly, I prefer to watch movies that I truly enjoy more than once, than to purchase every release and end up regretting it or having unwatched discs.

As the OP's sig states, the Toshiba is an amazing up-converting SD player, so why should anyone be depriving themselves of content solely because it isn't released on a specific format? I'm not going to buy just because something is in HD. The fact that it is a great release should sell the disc, and HD is just a bonus. The medium is not the message.

Just because the Mustang II and Porsche 914 are a Mustang and a Porsche doesn't make them all that good....


Very well said.
J

I lost intrest in DVD back in 2002 when I saw my first D-Theater tape. I've only bought about 50 DVD's since and most of 'em were Academy Ratio films or TV shows. All the studios have lost me by supressing HD releases. I can make D-VHS tapes that look better than DVD's. I'm getting fed up with all the studios.

If HD releass stay as limited and mediocre, I may just give up and focus on making my own media? I'd rather just buy HD discs but most especially the Bu studios don't want to sell their better films.

I've been waiting 5 years for substantial HD releases. Neither camp's HD release schedule moves me presently.

I also have bought quite a few SD movies compared to HD, and I have noticed that SD DVD's have more rear channel action compared to most of my HD and BR movies. The detail isn't there but the "surround" experience is better.

Neither camp's HD release schedule moves me presently.

With the exception of a few titles, I'd have to say that I agree.

Nice to see HD DVD feels safe "taking a breather" while the faithful wait for titles to trickle in. :rolleyes:

Hey, wadday mean? There's a lot between now and April (titles I will buy are in bold):

January 23, 2007
Black Rain (Paramount)
Brokeback Mountain (Universal)

January 30, 2007
Beerfest (Warner)
Half Baked (Universal)
The Wicker Man (2006) (Warner)

February 06, 2007
Failure to Launch (Paramount)
Hollywoodland (Universal)

February 13, 2007
The Departed (Warner)

February 20, 2007
Babel (Paramount)

February 27, 2007
Bullitt (Warner)
The Getaway (1972) (Warner)
Nine Inch Nails Live: Beside You in Time (Interscope)

March 27, 2007
Happy Feet (Warner)
National Geographic: Relentless Enemies (Warner)

See? A veritable cornucopia of Hollywood's finest! :D

Truth be told, on the whole, I'm not all that jazzed about what BD has coming out between now and April either.

I want only HD from this point forward. I've bought SD movies because you know they won't get the HD treatment for a long time, but I can't stand SD movies at all. A pretty picture is 50x more important to me over content.

I wouldn't even bother with HD if content was more important to me. Neither would anybody else if, we are to believe that they actually like content of better picture quality. (trust me, they are mispeaking, for god knows what)

The real war is SD vs HD and the quicker you cats get hip to that, the quicker that war ends.

I too have NOT bought a single SD disk since getting my A2. It has to be a big time favorite for me to buy now. Casino Royal will probably be the first SD disk I buy this year.

A pretty picture is 50x more important to me over content.

I wouldn't even bother with HD if content was more important to me.

That's fine, though you're pre- ruling-out thousands of potential HD movies simply because the final picture won't be pretty enough to satisfy you. HD doesn't mean pretty movie, it means a best shot at an accurate reproduction of the original.

If you spend much time looking at Fettastic's Tier thread -- it's easy to overlook that detail.

Neither would anybody else if, we are to believe that they actually like content of better picture quality. (trust me, they are mispeaking, for god knows what).

I'll never trust anyone who claims to speak for me, but is clearly lost in the weeds.

The real war is SD vs HD and the quicker you cats get hip to that, the quicker that war ends.

No, the current war is primarily BR Vs. HD-DVD. This is because as long as they continue to compete for dollars and attention, the average consumer will continue to view them as a curiosity and a risk, rather than a tangible option.

Once there is only one (or the equivalent) -- then the adversary will be SD, but not before.

A pretty picture is 50x more important to me over content.

That's the most ridiculous thing I have ever read at AVSforum. Period.

Neither would anybody else if, we are to believe that they actually like content of better picture quality. (trust me, they are mispeaking, for god knows what)
If you're really trying to say that those who say they prefer content over better PQ are mispeaking, to borrow from Bing, that's the most ridiculous thing I have ever read at AVSforum. Period.

First and foremost I'm a Horror film buff, preferring better PQ over content is simply not an option if you want to pursue any film genre in depth--especially Horror. If I had your ideology, I'd have an complete idiot's understanding of the genre. Plain and simple. Hell, before the time of regular ol' DVD, Horror fans basically had to put up with garbage quality sources to see a diverse amount of the genre. That's why DVD is a godsend and region free DVD players are an additional blessing to Horror fans, vastly more so than HD DVD or Blu-ray will probably ever be.

I've watched and still own copies of rare and obscure Horror films that look so damn terrible they're headache-inducing, yet I'm happy and proud I've had the chance to at least experience the actual films.

So if the Lord of the Rings extended trilogy came to HD DVD with incredible reference A/V quality and I had to decide between that and some ultra rare workprint version of Last House on the Left on DVD-R culled from a 7th generation bootleg VHS with burned in Japanese subtitles and 5 taperolls per minute--1080p Frodo and the Fellowship are going to have to wait. That's the God's honest truth.

Though I hope I'm just misunderstanding you. :D

So if the Lord of the Rings extended trilogy came to HD DVD with incredible reference A/V quality and I had to decide between that and some ultra rare workprint version of Last House on the Left on DVD-R culled from a 7th generation bootleg VHS with burned in Japanese subtitles and 5 taperolls per minute--1080p Frodo and the Fellowship are going to have to wait. That's the God's honest truth.

Just recently picked up an ex-rental VHS tape of that classic (video store going out of business -- couldn't resist the title.) Bizarre film, but looked very good upscaled to 1080i and shown on my 36" CRT. It's a keeper :D !

Ok, so you three would rather not have an HD version, or "reference" (the best picture quality the film ever looked according to the directors vision) over owning it on VHS or DVD? What are you even saying? That is stupid.

Here is the proper apples to apples comparison, you are saying you'd rather own a VHS Lord of the Rings over the 1080p HD version. You are flat out saying it.

People didn't buy DVD's because the format caught up on content. People bought it because it provided a better picture then VHS. The same holds true for either HD format. If there was no discernable difference between DVD and VHS why would you ever "upgrade"(interesting that one would define buying DVD over VHS upgrading, I wonder why?)

Btw the only threat to HD-DVD and Blu-Ray is DVD. If don't realize that, SD is winning.

I only have 8 HD-DVDs and I know of only a handful of existing HD titles that I want bad enough to upgrade from my DVD version. I have over 1,100 DVDs, and most won't be upgraded to HD. Of course my favorite movies, especially big budget effects movies, will. But I'd prefer that HD-DVD start releasing day and date with DVD for new titles. Those I would buy exclusively in HD.

But for most movies, for me, it's just not worth it. I continue to buy new DVDs, as it will be years, if ever, before an HD version is available.

I'm totally disappointed with the upcoming release list, but hopefully we'll get some good news soon.

Ok, so you three would rather not have an HD version, or "reference" (the best picture quality the film ever looked according to the directors vision) over owning it on VHS or DVD? What are you even saying? That is stupid.

Here is the proper apples to apples comparison, you are saying you'd rather own a VHS Lord of the Rings over the 1080p HD version. You are flat out saying it.

People didn't buy DVD's because the format caught up on content. People bought it because it provided a better picture then VHS. The same holds true for either HD format. If there was no discernable difference between DVD and VHS why would you ever "upgrade"(interesting that one would define buying DVD over VHS upgrading, I wonder why?)

Btw the only threat to HD-DVD and Blu-Ray is DVD. If don't realize that, SD is winning.


I'm sorry but I think you got it wrong on that one, I didn't switch to DVD only for the fact that the PQ was better. A lot more was offered over the same VHS version of the movie. You actually had the original aspect ratio, not a cropped version, bonus features, better image, sound, scene skipping, didn't have to rewind, offers various languages, subtitles...now comparing VHS to DVD is kinda ridiculous when you look at it this way...

Zappa2001:

I think we're misunderstanding each other. Damnation said he would take the rare/obscure horror film, no matter its quality, over LOTR in HD.

Here is the proper apples to apples comparison, you are saying you'd rather own a VHS Lord of the Rings over the 1080p HD version. You are flat out saying it.

No one said that. Everybody here would want the HD version over the SAME movie in SD.

The real issue is: What would you want? The best film in VHS or the worst film in HD? Do you want Frank Zappa on cassette or Kevin Federline in SACD?

That's the choice that is made because some people here are saying some version of "HD or not at all." Those people claim they would not watch or own a particular movie just because it's not HD. If that particular title is slated to be released and they are merely waiting, that's fine and not part of this discussion. I'm poo-pooing those who limits their own choices by lines of resolution. They're talking like spoiled kids. That's why I get ticked when people goes ga-ga over "Crank" or "The Covenant" on BD. "5 out of 5!" (on A/V quality) they squeal. Who cares! The movies sucked. It ain't my money. But still irkes me to see people buying coasters.


BTW, I have a center channel that costs more than most of your entire systems. Don't ever invite me over to your places to watch a movie cuz I don't want to waste my time on inferior systems. (I made that up, but that's what you guys sound like)

That said if there was one HD format I would only buy HD titles....

I don't care what anybody says: DVD to HD is an evolution, not a revolution. VHS to DVD is not a revolution, it's a quantum leap.

I'm not against HD. I've seen it but haven't jumped on yet, but I will. I just don't think DVD should be tossed out like yesterday's tabloids after it became the most successful consumer electronics technology, ever.

DVD to HD is a bigger PQ leap than VHS to DVD.

No comparison.

DVD to HD is a bigger PQ leap than VHS to DVD.

and I want you to be right. :)

I am still going to bu SD-DVDs when necessary (When I cant get the movie on HDVD import or domestic) some of the movies I want know will not be released on HD on either format maybe ever so I will get it in SD-DVD besides that though for any new release I will eb going exclusively HD from here on out :)

Ok, so you three would rather not have an HD version, or "reference" (the best picture quality the film ever looked according to the directors vision) over owning it on VHS or DVD? What are you even saying? That is stupid.

Here is the proper apples to apples comparison, you are saying you'd rather own a VHS Lord of the Rings over the 1080p HD version. You are flat out saying it.

I suggest you get a new pair of glasses (or take the time to actually read before interpreting the content), you are ascribing things to me that I clearly never said and I don't need the name calling. Goodbye now :).

I don't care what anybody says: DVD to HD is an evolution, not a revolution. VHS to DVD is not a revolution, it's a quantum leap

I consider VHS to LD to DVD to HD DVD to all be worthwhile technological steps; however, that doesn't mean the actual released recording on the newer technology will be in all ways (or even necessarily most ways) superior to a prior release of the same content. I take all those steps with a grain of salt.

As a result, instead of having an SD DVD release automatically replace a prior LD or even VHS release, I have to make sure of which I actually prefer. VHS usually loses, but not always (VHS HiFi sound can easily win over DD 1.0 mono or 2.0 stereo/prologic, or 384Kbps 5.1). LD sometimes wins over SD DVD, and often draws (could be due to picture or sound).

Still, with HD-DVD, given the combination of sound and video capability -- as long as they don't muck up the master (vertical filtering for example) I would expect it to always win.