Not much tech specs, but it is listed here:
Link (http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Specifications-of-Canon-HV20-High-Definition-Camcorder/sem/rpsm/oid/171434/rpem/ccd/productDetailSpecification.do#tabs)

The big surprise! It's listed at $1099. $200 cheaper than the HV10. Wait for clearance on HV10 or buy HV20? Too early to tell until full specs come out on HV20. Hope they improve the low light and add external mic.

Just click on highlights on the page link. At the bottom is" Additional features: Auto focus, low light performance and an electronic lens cover increase convenience. Plus, IEEE 1394 firewall, HDMI and microphone terminal ports are included for a variety of output options". :)

The link isn't working right now. I hope you're right. I've read rumors about it being an HD unit. I hope it's as good as DV tapes for editing and PQ.

Here's (http://dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?p=601011#post601011) a link that says no such camera is coming out.

Here is another link that cached the story.
Link (http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/25/canons-hv20-hd-camcorder-leaked/)

Apparenty it was an inadventant and unauthorized leak. Chances are the info in it may be true.

I hope it's for real. Sounds good! But low-light better be good or I can't get it.

Looks good -- and not too expensive either!

Aargh! I was about the buy the HV10 today (to take advantage of the pinnacle free software offer ending 1/31/07) but I decide to check the forum one last time.... HDMI and mic port seem to be worth the wait!? Can anyone comment on the following on engadget (source unknown) -" it will boast a 2.96mega pixal censor and optical stabilization and shoot "24p" minimum lowlight 7 lux" (sic)

Oh yeah the person who posted the above quote also says that the camera will have a horizontal design and be bigger than the HV10 - this part seems like bunk as the HV10 was so recently released?

It's out.
http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelDetailAct&fcategoryid=177&modelid=14869
http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/20070131_hv20.html

Canon's pricing of HV20 is cheaper than hv10. What makes them do so?

That's not an unusual pricing strategy for newer technology. Even though there are improvements and refined technologies, they generally come out cheaper than the predecessor.

That's not an unusual pricing strategy for newer technology. Even though there are improvements and refined technologies, they generally come out cheaper than the predecessor.


Agreed but a 20% price drop with some pretty significant improvements so soon after a successful launch did seem pretty unusual!

HV20 and HV10 are both DOA due to missing LANC port so you can't drive either one with an external zoom controller like a Varizoom or what is on all the Sony tripods. Stupid Japanese bureaucracy. :mad:

I'm going with a Sony HDR-HC7.

HV20 and HV10 are both DOA due to missing LANC port so you can't drive either one with an external zoom controller like a Varizoom or what is on all the Sony tripods. Stupid Japanese bureaucracy. :mad:

I'm going with a Sony HDR-HC7.

I'm going with the HV20 despite the 'missing LANC port' for the following reasons:

* Superb PQ of its predecessor, the HV10 (which has better PQ than any Sony small cams such as the HC1/HC3)

* Improved low-light performance. The low-light PQ of the HV10 was already better than either of my previous cams (HC1 & HC3) since the HV10 retains HD sharpness in low-light. The Sony cams go mushy in low-light.

* Superior autofocus system to any camcorder I've ever use (and I've a lot)

* 24p shooting...a first in any HDV cam at even double this price

* HDMI, mike input and hot shoe (yes, the Sonys have those too)

So the bottom line is I'll be fine without the LANC, but I'll have fun with all of the above mentioned features. Most important is that superb Canon PQ! :)

I'm going with the HV20 despite the 'missing LANC port' for the following reasons:

* Superb PQ of its predecessor, the HV10 (which has better PQ than any Sony small cams such as the HC1/HC3)

* Improved low-light performance. The low-light PQ of the HV10 was already better than either of my previous cams (HC1 & HC3) since the HV10 retains HD sharpness in low-light. The Sony cams go mushy in low-light.

* Superior autofocus system to any camcorder I've ever use (and I've a lot)

* 24p shooting...a first in any HDV cam at even double this price

* HDMI, mike input and hot shoe (yes, the Sonys have those too)

So the bottom line is I'll be fine without the LANC, but I'll have fun with all of the above mentioned features. Most important is that superb Canon PQ! :)

DING! DING! DING! We have a winner.

FutureMedia, don't spam the forum with the same post. I've deleted the others.

Thanks,

Kyser

Got my Spring 2007 B&H catalog today. On page 232 the HV-10 is listed at $949.95 and the HV-20 is $1099.99.
Interesting how the HV-20's existence was completely dismissed while this catalog was being readied for shipment.

I'm saving up my shekels for the HV-20. I would like to know if the up facing mics are going to be a problem. I like to use the camera "on the streets" with no extra attachments at times. But I imagine it'll do.
Can't wait! :D

* Improved low-light performance. The low-light PQ of the HV10 was already better than either of my previous cams (HC1 & HC3) since the HV10 retains HD sharpness in low-light. The Sony cams go mushy in low-light.


I really enjoy your posts Ken, but you are a consumate spec-measurbator. Before the HV20 you've been saying how unimportant low light is, that any dark scene should be illuminated anyway and that the HV10 has a video light built in.

Now along comes the HV20 that you haven't even seen beyond a press release that mentions improved low-light performance, and suddenly it's the messiah for low light in its market segment. And well it might be!

Ahem... before betting the house I'd look back on those earlier claims for low light performance in the Canon Optura line, and contrast them with what Camcorderinfo said about them. Canon is notorious for abysmal low light in miniDV cams. As an owner of the HV10, I'd rank it poor for low light, although what is called acceptable is a purely personal judgment. I doubt the HV20 is going to be stellar for low light either, but if it isn't you can always use illumination.

24p and hdmi are going to be the main attractions. I think for most people, the ergonomics will be preferable too. The small size of the HV10 remains an advantage if you need to pack or stow for adventure activities.

I

Ahem... before betting the house I'd look back on those earlier claims for low light performance in the Canon Optura line, and contrast them with what Camcorderinfo said about them. Canon is notorious for abysmal low light in miniDV cams. As an owner of the HV10, I'd rank it poor for low light, although what is called acceptable is a purely personal judgment. I doubt the HV20 is going to be stellar for low light either, but if it isn't you can always use illumination.

Now I have to admit.... that's funny!

I'm holding judgment though until I see the reviews on BOTH the HV20 and the Sony HC7

BTW.... Does anybody know if the HV20 is coming with night vision.... I use that a lot with my HC3, and I do need it on the next cam.

I really enjoy your posts Ken, but you are a consumate spec-measurbator. Before the HV20 you've been saying how unimportant low light is, that any dark scene should be illuminated anyway and that the HV10 has a video light built in.



Now, now Tom, I'm not that bad! But my question of the day is if I have someone else read the specs to me, am I still a 'measurbator'? ;)

Seriously though, I stand by what I originally said, when the light is really poor you need a light. I also contend in really poor light there is no camera (save cams like the VX2000/VX2100) that will produce nice video. That was true then and it's true now. However, with that said, who wouldn't want the HV10 PQ with an improvement in low-light performance? If I can pick up another 2 lux of low-light and retain the fine image quality of the HV10, why not? Yes it's true, we don't know for sure how the HV20 will look in poor light, but I think we do have reason to be optimistic.

Now, now Tom, I'm not that bad! But my question of the day is if I have someone else read the specs to me, am I still a 'measurbator'?

No, I guess that makes it consentual...Lol...

The larger objective lens on HV20 will gather more light and that should be the fundamental improvement.

We know that the pros fawn over 24p on the pro cams. I think it will be really interesting to see how 24P is received by consumers. Will they want their home movies to be filmic? Or will they go eek...judder!

Please don't laugh at this question, but is 24p Cinema mode the same thing as 1080p, or is this still a 1080i camcorder?

Please don't laugh at this question, but is 24p Cinema mode the same thing as 1080p, or is this still a 1080i camcorder?

It means that it shoots 24 full frames per second at 1080p resolution. 24fps is what is used for most major motion pictures. It provides that more surreal look of movies whereas interlaced video like 60i has that ugly videoy motion that should only be used for news footage and stuff you want to look hyper realistic. For the resolution to be interlaced like 1080i it would have to be shot with interlaced frames like 60i fps.

For it to be true 24p the resolution also has to be progressive, so it can't be 1080 interlaced shooting at true 24 progressive frames per second. For true 24p the resolutions will always be progressive resolutions like 480p, 720p or 1080p (in this case it's 1080p). If it was 1080i resolution it would be shooting with interlaced frames like 60i (60 interlaced frames per second. 30half frames per second).

So, it's 1080p at 24fps. I can't wait to see it in action. I just hope the low light is good enough, because I was originally going to spend around $3,000 for a 480p Panasonic DVX100B. It has a lot more features still and good low light, so I hope this new 1080p 24p camera will be good for filmmaking. I will need it to do decent low light though.

So, it's 1080p at 24fps. I can't wait to see it in action. I just hope the low light is good enough, because I was originally going to spend around $3,000 for a 480p Panasonic DVX100B. It has a lot more features still and good low light, so I hope this new 1080p 24p camera will be good for filmmaking. I will need it to do decent low light though.

I'll let you know! I plan on picking it up as soon as it arrives in Canada. I may order it online as well...
I'll post some footage from it as soon as I get it. Especially low-light footage.

Kyser

Waiting for hv20 footage stuff. But can anybody give some good Hv10 footage , a bit lengthy one. This is becuase the Canon Hv10 footage downloaded from Canon's site is so good that I believe that it could be shot with a higher model CAnon camera or else some big changes have been done on editing. Most of the user videos submitted online do not have much resemblance to the canon's orginal footage.
Hence can any pro upload some good footage of Hv10.
thanks

Waiting for hv20 footage stuff. But can anybody give some good Hv10 footage , a bit lengthy one. This is becuase the Canon Hv10 footage downloaded from Canon's site is so good that I believe that it could be shot with a higher model CAnon camera or else some big changes have been done on editing. Most of the user videos submitted online do not have much resemblance to the canon's orginal footage.
Hence can any pro upload some good footage of Hv10.
thanks Ask and you shall receive. Plenty of low-light footage here as well.

HV10 Footage: Dusk/Evening Evening footage at a mall and a local college.

720/30P - 49 MB - WMV 9 - Right Click and Save As

http://www.mydatabus.com/public/tle/z/HV10evening.wmv

Camera Settings:

- Mode: Tv, shutter 1/60
- Exposure: Press the EXP button and dial 1-3 clicks down from 100% zebras as required
- Image Effects: all off/default
- OIS: off
- Focus: mostly IAF, sometimes IAF to set focus then to MF to prevent hunting
- No post CC
- Some shots used an old Raynox .3x semi-fisheye

DEFINITELY worth the download! Plenty of low light conditions here. Looks fantastic!

Thanks for all the info. This looks like the camcorder I've been holding out for. One other question I have is what type of recording media will it use? Will it be hard drive, DVD, mini DV, or will there be different models like with Sony?

Thanks for all the info. This looks like the camcorder I've been holding out for. One other question I have is what type of recording media will it use? Will it be hard drive, DVD, mini DV, or will there be different models like with Sony?


This is only Mini Dv with hdv and SD DV recording options amd Mini SD card for storing photos.

This is only Mini Dv with hdv and SD DV recording options amd Mini SD card for storing photos.

You say that like it's a bad thing. Recording on miniDV allows for excellent quality. Still better than recording to a camera with disc space, and it also allows for simple storage back-up without eating up valuable hard drive space.

Ask and you shall receive. Plenty of low-light footage here as well.



DEFINITELY worth the download! Plenty of low light conditions here. Looks fantastic!


When the HV10 was first released and reviewed on camcorderinfo.com , the general thinking was it was terrible in low light. Many other "review" sites picked up on that without actually testing the cam and word spread that it was less then satisfying in those conditions. Makes you wonder if you can trust their reviews going forward.

When the HV10 was first released and reviewed on camcorderinfo.com , the general thinking was it was terrible in low light. Many other "review" sites picked up on that without actually testing the cam and word spread that it was less then satisfying in those conditions. Makes you wonder if you can trust their reviews going forward.
Yup. If you go to some of the professional video sites you can find plenty of footage like this.

Regardless, the lux rating and low light capabilities have been improved in the HV20. Not to mention 24P Filming.

I'll be posting my impressions as soon as I get mine.

Kyser

Gvc, you are absolutely correct. I can't tell you how many cam reviews I've read over the years where you just know they never actually tested it. If you had familiarity with a given camera and you see a review that runs 180 from what you know to be fact, you know something's up.

Am I right in thinking that both the HV10 & HV20 can record in standard deinition as well as high def? If this is the case, does this mean that older editing software (Adobe 6.5) can be used?

Am I right in thinking that both the HV10 & HV20 can record in standard deinition as well as high def? If this is the case, does this mean that older editing software (Adobe 6.5) can be used?

Yes

Yes

Thats great news, thanks.

Can anyone comment on the standard definition quality on the HV10?

My intention would be to buy the HV20 and use it in the sd mode initially until I have been able to buy the necessary software for the high def mode.

Does anyone know when the UK is likely to see the HV20?

Thats great news, thanks.

Can anyone comment on the standard definition quality on the HV10?

My intention would be to buy the HV20 and use it in the sd mode initially until I have been able to buy the necessary software for the high def mode.

Does anyone know when the UK is likely to see the HV20?

what is the point in having the HV10/HV20 if you don't intend to record HD. These cams drop more than half of their value in less than a year. Only seven months after its initial release HV10 is only retailing at $640(less than half of its MSRP!) now in Japan which usually proceeds US by three to six months in price. I imagine next year this time we will probably be looking at an HV20 for close to $500. :D

That may be, but as most have commented the initial retail cost of the HV20 seems to be a steal. I would surmise if the electronic retailers could operate like car dealers , then the HV20 could actually initially be sold "over sticker price" as a hot in demand auto generally is. They may also be hard to find in the first couple of months.

Electronic retailer are not allowed to sell over MSRP. even a hot item like PS3 has been sold at MSRP. But you may be right we may find ebay scalpers trying to sell HV20s over MSRP if the supply is tight.

My intention would be to buy the HV20 and use it in the sd mode initially until I have been able to buy the necessary software for the high def mode.

Why? Can't you save the HD camera recording and when HD software becomes available, you could edit in HD? Until then, minimum editing in sd so you could have something to watch.

Why? Can't you save the HD camera recording and when HD software becomes available, you could edit in HD? Until then, minimum editing in sd so you could have something to watch.

Definitely an option. Unfortunately my skills & knowledge in the editing department are quite limited and I'm just worried about creating a 'backlog' of editing whilst trying to set up my system.

To be honest I doubt the UK will see the HV20 until the latter part of the year so I have got plenty of time to get my 'house' in order. Other things for me to consider are that I do not have a HD player or TV and I think I need both to appreciate the quality upgrade and the TV in particular is not something I'm likely to get for a while.

I have done some researching and it looks like Adobe Premiere Pro 2.0 could be compatible for HD editing and as I currently use Adobe 6.5 I think its likely to be software that I can get comfortable with.

Thats great news, thanks.

Can anyone comment on the standard definition quality on the HV10?

My intention would be to buy the HV20 and use it in the sd mode initially until I have been able to buy the necessary software for the high def mode.

Does anyone know when the UK is likely to see the HV20?

Theoretically, if you record in HD and then convert to SD, you should get a better SD picture than a standars SD videocam would give you, depending on how the process is implemented in the camera and the software.

This is certainly the case with still images. Downsample a high rez image to a lower rez image and the result should be better than the same image taken with a low rez camera, but results also depend on the size of the sensor. A standard definition videocam that has the same size CMOS sensor as the HV-20 (and I doubt that there is such a camera because most videocams employ a CCD sensor, don't they?) would be likely to produce the same quality SD image. It might be the case that the HV-20 sensor is bigger than the sensor in most consumer type SD videocams. If this is the case, then there is certainly the potential for SD to be a notch better than you would expect to get from an SD videocam. The Canon CMOS sensor is also probably 'breakthrough' technology. I believe Canon design and manufacture their own sensors.

Thanks barryz

Thanks for all the info. This looks like the camcorder I've been holding out for. One other question I have is what type of recording media will it use? Will it be hard drive, DVD, mini DV, or will there be different models like with Sony?
Same for me. I like the HV10, but when I held it, it seemed too small for my hands, and I liked the feel of the HC3 better, but I'm not a big fan of Sony. I figured there had to be an HV 10 v2.0 coming out soon, and now it seems to be the case! I ordered an HV 20 from Amazon, and hopefully I'll receive it by mid-April. I hope. :)

Theoretically, if you record in HD and then convert to SD, you should get a better SD picture than a standars SD videocam would give you, depending on how the process is implemented in the camera and the software.

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I had the Sony HC3 and was impressed with the downconverted SD recording when I recorded my HD footage on my Panny DVD recorder. It was definitely better than my older SD video from a SD JVC camcorder.

Here in PAL-land the HV20 is "25 fps 'film-look'" and not 24p according to Canon Europe.

What's up with that? One of the main reasons for me buying this is the ability to record 24fps.

I believe that in Europe 25p is the norm instead of 24p. It's pretty much impossible to tell the difference.

I have an HC3 and love it...but the 24p of the HV20 may be enough to entice me into the Canon camp. This camera delivers tremendous value.

I'm planning on using it to take video of me playing tennis at night, so the low light performance is imporant to me. Is there any software out there that can take edit high def tv? I only want to keep the good points from my tennis so it doesn't take up too much hard drive space.

Pinnacle Studio 10.6 claims to support HD editing. I haven't tried this yet though, so YMMV.

I'm planning on using it to take video of me playing tennis at night, so the low light performance is imporant to me. Is there any software out there that can take edit high def tv? I only want to keep the good points from my tennis so it doesn't take up too much hard drive space.

On my last trip to Nepal I took some video footage using my miniature Sony DSC T30 still camera, which happens to take quite decent 640x480p AVI movies. I was mainly interested in the traditional dancing that takes place in a few select restaurants to entertain the diners. I would place the Sony T30 (fixed to a small tripod) on the table, whilst I took shots with my DSLR.

Trouble is, the video is very dark. Never mind, I thought. Video editing software is bound to have some of the basic controls which are standard in Photoshop, such as brightness, contrast, hue and saturation controls. I downloaded a number of trial versions of editing software, such as Pinnacle, but couldn't find any such controls.

The only way I could brighten the image (without messing up the calibraion of my monitor) was to convert the AVI format to another format that my DVD player could handle and play back the video on my TV set with the TV brightness adjusted. Some time later, Windows Update provided me with the latest release of Windows Media Player 9, and I noticed that that version included brightness, contrast and saturation controls for playback, but not as a permanent edit to the AVI file.

I'm also on a Win XP 64 bit edition computer. Had to use another computer to get Pinnacle to work. I'm looking for a good video editing program that allows me to convert to other formats, interpolate resolution and frame rate, alter color and contrast etc and which works on Win XP 64 bit edition.

They ALL have color/brightness correction capacity... it's the basics of any editor... even pinnacle. I suggest that you did not look hard enough. The cheaper ones however will not give you as much control over color correction when compared to the more expensive editors

It's finding an editor that works with xp 64 bit that you will have a problem with, and I doubt that the various companies are going to support xp 64bit now that Vista is out. XP was never really meant to be bent in that kind of direction. Vista on the other hand was specifically built for things like dual cores, quad cores, and of course the 32 to 64 bit transition.

And even with that... at present, the only editor that (I know of anyway) works pretty much straight out of the box with vista 32 and 64 is Sony Vegas7. Will it work with XP 64 bit...... of that I have NOOOOO idea.

does anybody know what software will be coming with the HV20? The software packages in the past seemed pretty skimpy, so I don't have my hopes high, but at least I'm hoping they revive the free pinnacle offer.

And even with that... at present, the only editor that (I know of anyway) works pretty much straight out of the box with vista 32 and 64 is Sony Vegas7. Will it work with XP 64 bit...... of that I have NOOOOO idea.

This is an absolute disgrace. I have a partial high definition video projector, the Hitachi WSXGA LCOS system which has no HDMI inputs and therefore cannot get a 1368x1024 pixel representation of a 1920x1080p output from Blu-Ray, and I have a Bill Gates Win XP64 OS which seems to have been sidelined and doesn't work with major video editing programs.

What the f**k is going on?

This is an absolute disgrace. I have a partial high definition video projector, the Hitachi WSXGA LCOS system which has no HDMI inputs and therefore cannot get a 1368x1024 pixel representation of a 1920x1080p output from Blu-Ray, and I have a Bill Gates Win XP64 OS which seems to have been sidelined and doesn't work with major video editing programs.

What the f**k is going on?

Not to hijack the thread but welcome to Vista. I have gone back to XP for very similar reasons. Will wait for SP1.

WinXP 64-bit Edition is not the same thing as Vista...

Regarding Vista, though, it is always best to let a new OS (including Mac OS!) be tested by industry before buying. These new operating systems are so much more complicated than in the past. It is not possible to test all aspects of the software prior to release. My advice to any home consumer would be to wait 6-9 months or until SP1 is released (whichever comes first).

WinXP 64-bit Edition is not the same thing as Vista...

Regarding Vista, though, it is always best to let a new OS (including Mac OS!) be tested by industry before buying. These new operating systems are so much more complicated than in the past. It is not possible to test all aspects of the software prior to release. My advice to any home consumer would be to wait 6-9 months or until SP1 is released (whichever comes first).

It has very little to do with testing.

The vista 32 bit is nothing more than a sidestep from XP. There are many choices that have been removed, and many limitations put on.... and there just isn't enough advancement to hold your interest in Vista to overcome it's restrictions.

I've gone back to xp and won't bother trying vista again until the 64 bit driver support settles down.

It has very little to do with testing.

The vista 32 bit is nothing more than a sidestep from XP. There are many choices that have been removed, and many limitations put on.... and there just isn't enough advancement to hold your interest in Vista to overcome it's restrictions.

I've gone back to xp and won't bother trying vista again until the 64 bit driver support settles down.
It is a sidestep from XP on the outside. They are vastly different under the hood. Your statement is analagous to saying the only differences between a 1964 Mustang and a 2007 Mustang are a few styling cues. If Vista were simply a sidestep, or a lateral change, then it would be 100% compatible with XP programs.

Anyway, you merely underscored my point with your statement. Let the public beta test Vista for a few months. Once it has a service pack or other major update package go ahead and buy.

Thats great news, thanks.

Can anyone comment on the standard definition quality on the HV10?

My intention would be to buy the HV20 and use it in the sd mode initially until I have been able to buy the necessary software for the high def mode.

Does anyone know when the UK is likely to see the HV20?

I was thinking along similar lines with a difference though.

Record everything in hd, then capture in SD until the equipment I have is up to the task. So here's the question: does anyone know whether the HV20 can do that? that is downconvert to SD for capturing material recorded in hd ??

I understand certain cameras can do that and it would be perfect.

thx !

I will be purchasing a camera in a couple of months and I'm fairly drawn to the HV20. But I have to admit that the IR sensor on the Sonys seems pretty cool - it is a feature I thought I would enjoy playing with. But, do I really need that feature? Is it worth going with the Sony HC-7 over the HV20? What do you think?

..... then it would be 100% compatible with XP programs.



That's the sad thing.... to have to fight compatibility problems so badly over such a little side step.

And Vista has ALREADY been through Beta testing.... this is a finished product we're talking about.

I was thinking along similar lines with a difference though.

Record everything in hd, then capture in SD until the equipment I have is up to the task. So here's the question: does anyone know whether the HV20 can do that? that is down convert to SD for capturing material recorded in hd ??

I understand certain cameras can do that and it would be perfect.

thx !


Most if not all HD cams have the ability to shot in SD as well as the ability to down convert from HD to SD while capturing

I'm surprised that no-one has expressed any outrage at the duplicity of selling the public a high definition projector, such as the 1368x1040 pixel LCOS Hitachi WSXGA, and then another group introducing the HDMI encryption which essentially makes such a projector useless for displaying high definition video.

You guys are behaving like lambs for the slaughter. There's no way that [I]I am going to spend another A$12,000 for a 1920x1080p projector. I expect a certain 'contract of faith' here. I expect a reasonable degree of backward compatibility. I don't like being made to feel like a mug.

Most if not all HD cams have the ability to shot in SD as well as the ability to down convert from HD to SD while capturing

thank you. I guess now I've got to make sure the HV20 is one of the most :)

Now if only this thing finally hit the shops ....

i only wished the hv20 was as compact as the hv10

I'm actually happy that the HV20 is a normal sized camcorder.

Apparently Best Buy online has the camera and will start shipping them out tomorrow. They also have a nice little discount on the camera already. (Not sure if I'm allowed to give a price). I wanted to wait for some reviews, but I may go ahead and order it.

is this Bestbuy Canada?

Kysersose are you out there? I am anxiously awaiting your verdict. Ken, do you have a take?

I am torn between the HV10 (which I just found for under $500.00) and the HV20 for 1099.00. I am loyal to Canon - as I love my Rebel and am putting my old Elura to rest.

Low light? OK? How about the "noise" whining sound that has been reported (I guess I've only heard this about the HV10).

I am anxious for the comparison since you own both.

Thanks!

Just a mom that wants to take REALLY good viseo of her kids. Hey, they are only young once!

Sara

As a fellow Canonite... "WELCOME to AVS" !!

I've just received my review HV20 for my friend's store and Canon rep also brought in an HV10 for me to do a quick comparison.

1. tape-transport sound is NOT recorded on the HV20 (as opposed to the HV10)
2. my breathing sound is not recorded on the HV20 (thanks to the position of the HV20 mic)
3. low-light performance is far better on the HV20
4. auto focus is much more accurate on the HV20
5. the haze-like image (when shooting really bright objects) is not apparent on the HV20

Now, in Canada the price difference between the two is only about US$150 so it's a no brainer in getting the HV20. Whether the difference warrants the 100%+ price difference only you can answer. (heck, even I can't answer that if I were you)

anything under $700 in US for HV10 is almost certainly a scam. Check out the site's review on the web before you buy.

So the real difference in price between HV10 and HV20 is about $300. If you are just filming kids like I do mostly HV10 is probably edaquate.

Kysersose are you out there? I am anxiously awaiting your verdict. Ken, do you have a take?

I am torn between the HV10 (which I just found for under $500.00) and the HV20 for 1099.00. I am loyal to Canon - as I love my Rebel and am putting my old Elura to rest.

Low light? OK? How about the "noise" whining sound that has been reported (I guess I've only heard this about the HV10).

I am anxious for the comparison since you own both.

Thanks!

Just a mom that wants to take REALLY good viseo of her kids. Hey, they are only young once!

Sara

I'm still waiting to get mine... soon I hope! :)

Kyser

As a fellow Canonite... "WELCOME to AVS" !!

I've just received my review HV20 for my friend's store and Canon rep also brought in an HV10 for me to do a quick comparison.

1. tape-transport sound is NOT recorded on the HV20 (as opposed to the HV10)
2. my breathing sound is not recorded on the HV20 (thanks to the position of the HV20 mic)
3. low-light performance is far better on the HV20
4. auto focus is much more accurate on the HV20
5. the haze-like image (when shooting really bright objects) is not apparent on the HV20

Now, in Canada the price difference between the two is only about US$150 so it's a no brainer in getting the HV20. Whether the difference warrants the 100%+ price difference only you can answer. (heck, even I can't answer that if I were you)
Great news! I wan't more! Keep it coming...


Kyser

Apparently Best Buy online has the camera and will start shipping them out tomorrow. They also have a nice little discount on the camera already. (Not sure if I'm allowed to give a price). I wanted to wait for some reviews, but I may go ahead and order it.

They took off the listed sale discount and are showing list price now. The estimated arrival still shows sometime this week, but I'll only believe when I see it :)

[QUOTE=GodobeHD]anything under $700 in US for HV10 is almost certainly a scam. Check out the site's review on the web before you buy.

For sure. I found it at bestpricecameras (won't allow me to post url)

Does this look like a scam? Seems pretty reputabe to me - using a CC on which charges can always be disputed....

Quality is my main consideration. Thanks everybody! HV20 sounds like it may be the winner - but I'd like to wait and see what Kyser has to say first.

Cheers,

Sara

Thank you for the warm welcome, David! I appreciate the review as well. Very helpful - thank you!

They took off the listed sale discount and are showing list price now. The estimated arrival still shows sometime this week, but I'll only believe when I see it :)
Ah, it seems they did (it was $55 off, which is a nice way to match other online retailers since BB.com will charge tax). I guess I'll probably wait until more reviews come up and then hunt for the best price. I called Best Buy's toll-free number and they said it was ready to ship this week.

[QUOTE=GodobeHD]anything under $700 in US for HV10 is almost certainly a scam. Check out the site's review on the web before you buy.

For sure. I found it at bestpricecameras (won't allow me to post url)

Does this look like a scam? Seems pretty reputabe to me - using a CC on which charges can always be disputed....

Quality is my main consideration. Thanks everybody! HV20 sounds like it may be the winner - but I'd like to wait and see what Kyser has to say first.

Cheers,

Sara


Sara,

Just saw your post and decided to do a quick search for info on the site you were looking at. Their six-month rating on reseller ratings is a 0.03 / 10 (sorry, i can't post links yet either). You may want to consider shopping elsewhere once you decide on a camera.

Ken

Sara,

this place is not really a scam store, but more like a bait-and-switch store. My friend ordered a 20D for a ridiculously cheap price, but battery/charger/cable/software/manual are not included. You have buy them for a ridiculously exorbitant price or they won't sell you the body only.

As a fellow Canonite... "WELCOME to AVS" !!

I've just received my review HV20 for my friend's store and Canon rep also brought in an HV10 for me to do a quick comparison.

1. tape-transport sound is NOT recorded on the HV20 (as opposed to the HV10)
2. my breathing sound is not recorded on the HV20 (thanks to the position of the HV20 mic)
3. low-light performance is far better on the HV20
4. auto focus is much more accurate on the HV20
5. the haze-like image (when shooting really bright objects) is not apparent on the HV20

Now, in Canada the price difference between the two is only about US$150 so it's a no brainer in getting the HV20. Whether the difference warrants the 100%+ price difference only you can answer. (heck, even I can't answer that if I were you)

So far, so great!!!! Sara, I'm still waiting to see one. I'll certainly report back when I do.

Torture I tell you. I want one, but blow $1k on a camera!? Then i need a better tripod, etc! Then theres the oh-so-necessary lense adapter in the near future ....

I took my Sony SD out the other day, and I could just imagine having HD.

Thanks for the report David. Me want!! :D :eek: :)

LOL!

The only thing I couldn't test last night was how well the AF with wide-angle converter attached because the HV20 uses two AF sensors. One TTL (through the lens) and another located at the side of the lens (which will be covered once you attach the WA converter).

Called Best Buy to place my order today for HV20.. used 2nd day ship option and they said I should get it by Fri 3/23.. got my fingers crossed but not holding my breath ! :D

i .... must .... resist!

I Ordered next day on the phone from Best Buy, Was told it's in stock, I'll get it for sure. Then got the Email that it was backordered 1-2 weeks. Checked the web site to check out if anything changed from when I ordered and it said next day shipping. But always 1 day later as the days go by.

Nothing about backorders until you order one it seems!!

Never going to use or go to that store again.

I kind of figured as much.. probably just a gimmick to get the early orders to beat out the initial rush that other stores may get when the real release date happens. Can't prove it though. dirty tactics for sure :( :mad:

Yes...just got the "your item is backordered" email.... I called and cancelled the order..Id rather give a more reputable company my business. :mad:

Canon HV20 HDV Camcorder, 1/2.7" 2.96MP CMOS Sensor, 1920 x 1080 Resolution, 24p Frame Rate, with 10x Optical Zoom, Optical Image Stabilizer, HDMI, Hot Shoe and HC miniSD Card Slot


$ 1,099.95 at BH Photo

Cheers,
NYC Film Com

They say it's in stock on the webpage: "Availability: In Stock", I received an e-mail stating that they have it "In Stock" yet when i try to purchase it I get the run around.

When I get to the store one salespersons says it's not in the store but I can order it over the phone and have it ship today, I call on the phone and they have none to ship...

It would seem that they are just trying to boost pre-orders and I would stay far away from purchasing it from B&H Photo. What happened to the honest photo dealer.

Cheers

the thing is, nobody has stock on the HV20. They are not shipped to the dealers yet. If any store claim to have them in stock, it's a scam.

I just purchased one from Calumet photo and have a tracking number for Monday delivery. None in store, only available over the phone.

With shipping it came to $1208.

I called U.S.: (800) 225-8638 (and my agent was at x3340) calumetphoto-dot-com

the thing is, nobody has stock on the HV20. They are not shipped to the dealers yet. If any store claim to have them in stock, it's a scam.

The HV20 has been arriving at dealers early this week. I picked one up locally (Mac Store) yesterday.

How long did the HV10 take for it to drop from $1099 to the $899 price it sells at now. The reason I ask, is because I will most likely be purchasing the HV20, but really don't "need" it until July, but of course me being a tech geek want to pick it up ASAP... However there is a little issue called the wife who will want me to wait closer to July to see if the price drops any. So looking at Cannon's website and seeing that the MSRP is the $1099 for both camcorders, I would imagine the price drops would probably mimic each other... Any info would be appreciated...

the thing is, nobody has stock on the HV20. They are not shipped to the dealers yet. If any store claim to have them in stock, it's a scam.

Not true Dave. B&H has shipped their initial shipment and I've got a tracking number. They have an excellent reputation.

NYCFilmdotcom, it is entirely possible when you initially called they did have them in stock and in between calls they sold out. I suspect I got one of the last ones in their initial shipment.

Canon HV20 HDV Camcorder, 1/2.7" 2.96MP CMOS Sensor, 1920 x 1080 Resolution, 24p Frame Rate, with 10x Optical Zoom, Optical Image Stabilizer, HDMI, Hot Shoe and HC miniSD Card Slot


$ 1,099.95 at BH Photo

Cheers,
NYC Film Com
Status now shows "accepting orders"; guess their first batch sold out pretty quickly, eh? :D

it is entirely possible when you initially called they did have them in stock and in between calls they sold out. I suspect I got one of the last ones in their initial shipment.


Anything is possible, I had issues with B&H in the past and was only going to purchase from them because they stated it was in stock and I could pick it up in the store.

In any case Calumet Photo had it, I updated my order to next day delivery so I should be out shooting by this time tomorrow.

Cheers

I Ordered next day on the phone from Best Buy, Was told it's in stock, I'll get it for sure. Then got the Email that it was backordered 1-2 weeks. Checked the web site to check out if anything changed from when I ordered and it said next day shipping. But always 1 day later as the days go by.

Nothing about backorders until you order one it seems!!

Never going to use or go to that store again.


Malanick....is your hv20 still on "backorder" from BB?

How long did the HV10 take for it to drop from $1099 to the $899 price it sells at now. The reason I ask, is because I will most likely be purchasing the HV20, but really don't "need" it until July, but of course me being a tech geek want to pick it up ASAP... However there is a little issue called the wife who will want me to wait closer to July to see if the price drops any. So looking at Cannon's website and seeing that the MSRP is the $1099 for both camcorders, I would imagine the price drops would probably mimic each other... Any info would be appreciated...

Oh it took many many MONTHS, sometimes the price even seemed to go up before it went down probably a year later! ;) ;)

HV20 authorized vendors were flooded preorders the day that it was announced. If you want to get one, check Mac Store or somewhere similar. Finding one online at this time will be rather tough.

Check you rlocal best buy within a week.

Gave up on the "Best Buy" purchase. Got mine from a mail order canon dealer that happened to have one extra hv20 not pre-ordered. It got to me on Thursday!

Congrats. Now host some footage.