I just sold my 360 hddvd drive and bought a ps3. Originally bought the 360 add on week it came out because of all the hddvd raves from the forum below. I was pretty impressed with the picture quality but the audio quality was horrid. I understand there is a patch in the works but I kinda gave up after a couple months for any hope. Just gave up watching hd dvd all together because of the horrible compression issue.

After the universals anouncemnt for the "the Jerk" and "the game", I decided to take my losses and sell the hddvd drive/movies. Whats up with hd dvd releasing all these old movies?? Mummy returns, sting, excalibar and deer hunter???? come on, I can really careless about these old movies on the 2 dollar clearance rack. New releases like brokeback and clerks 2 really don't get my hd tingle going.

I'm really liking the releases of bluray, alot of blockbusters and new releases. I really didn't do too much research when i bought the hddvd but now I have and bluray is clearly the better buy even though it costs more. I went in to hddvd because of the 200dollar price tag and really wasn't worth it, to me atleast. As for the picture/audio quality differences, both seem equal. Both look great. Acutally Crank looks better then King kong to my eyes, as for the audio there is no comparason blu ray just sounds better and more dynamic and volume. I also like the fact that there is no lipsynicing issues I had with the hddvd drive.
The movie selection is just much better to me on bluray and its really nice knowing the releases far out so you know selections will continue pumping out.

I'm not a hd or blu ray fanboy, just someone that has had both and giving my comment. Maybe if someone is in the same situation I was they can learn something from this.

Can't wait for movies like - Layer Cake, New Bond, American psycho, Snatch, Fight Club, Spiderman and Pixar movies

Maybe if someone is in the same situation I was they can learn something from this.

I hope so. Lesson one needs to be "Do your own research and don't accept "facts" that can't be varified"

Lesson two needs to be "If HD DVD was better than Blu-ray it'd cost more" It's very telling that HD DVD has the cheapest players and slightly cheaper discs and yet are fighting a loosing battle. Imagine if the prices were the same!

I'm not a hd or blu ray fanboy, just someone that has had both and giving my comment.

If your post is any indication of what's to come, you're well on your way to becoming a Blu-Ray fanboy.

If this is any indication of whats to come, glad to be a bluray fan boy.

January 23, 2007
Black Rain (Paramount)
Brokeback Mountain (Universal)
January 30, 2007
Beerfest (Warner)
Half Baked (Universal)
The Wicker Man (2006) (Warner)
February 06, 2007
Failure to Launch (Paramount)
Hollywoodland (Universal)
February 13, 2007
The Departed (Warner)
February 20, 2007
Babel (Paramount)
February 27, 2007
Bullitt (Warner)
The Getaway (1972) (Warner)
Nine Inch Nails Live: Beside You in Time (Interscope)
March 27, 2007
Happy Feet (Warner)
National Geographic: Relentless Enemies (Warner)
School for Scoundrels (Genius)
April 10, 2007
Payback: Straight Up - The Director's Cut (Paramount)
April 17, 2007
The Game (Universal)
The Jerk (Universal)
April 24, 2007
Planet Earth: The Complete Collection (BBC)


VS.

January 23, 2007
Alien vs. Predator (Fox)
Black Rain (Paramount)
Casanova (Buena Vista)
Chicago (Buena Vista)
Courage Under Fire (Fox)
The Guardian (2006) (Buena Vista)
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (Buena Vista)
The Manchurian Candidate (2004) (Paramount)
Men of Honor (Fox)
Saw II (Unrated) (Lionsgate)
Saw III (Lionsgate)
We Were Soldiers (Paramount)
January 30, 2007
Beerfest (Warner)
Flyboys (Fox)
Hart's War (Fox)
Open Season (Sony)
The Wicker Man (2006) (Warner)
February 06, 2007
American Psycho (Lionsgate)
Failure to Launch (Paramount)
First Blood (Lionsgate)
Reservoir Dogs (Lionsgate)
Running With Scissors (Sony)
The Tailor of Panama (Sony)
February 13, 2007
Broken Arrow (Fox)
Chain Reaction (Fox)
The Departed (Warner)
Entrapment (Fox)
Ladder 49 (Buena Vista)
Marie Antoinette (Sony)
The Marine (Fox)
Phone Booth (Fox)
Planet of the Apes (Fox)
Reign of Fire (Buena Vista)
The Sentinel (Fox)
The Usual Suspects (Fox)
February 20, 2007
Babel (Paramount)
The Prestige (Buena Vista)
Vertical Limit (Sony)
February 27, 2007
Bullitt (Warner)
The Getaway (1972) (Warner)
Nine Inch Nails Live: Beside You in Time (Interscope)
Stranger Than Fiction (Sony)
March 13, 2007
Casino Royale (Sony)
Commando (Fox)
Dances with Wolves (MGM)
Dodgeball (Fox)
Hoosiers (MGM)
Ice Age (Fox)
Layer Cake (Sony)
Mr. & Mrs. Smith (Fox)
The Thomas Crown Affair (1999) (MGM)
March 20, 2007
Big Fish (Sony)
Chicken Little (Buena Vista)
Finding Neverland (Buena Vista)
March 27, 2007
Happy Feet (Warner)
National Geographic: Relentless Enemies (Warner)
April 03, 2007
Dude, Where's My Car? (MGM)
The Fly (1986) (Fox)
G.I. Jane (Buena Vista)
Hannibal (MGM)
King Arthur Director's Cut (Buena Vista)
Me, Myself & Irene (Fox)
The Silence of the Lambs (MGM)
Tristan & Isolde (Fox)
April 10, 2007
Payback: Straight Up - The Director's Cut (Paramount)
April 17, 2007
Turistas (Fox)
April 24, 2007
Planet Earth: The Complete Collection (BBC)
May 22, 2007
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest (Buena Vista) JUST LISTED!
Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl (Buena Vista) JUST LISTED!
June 05, 2007
Cars (Buena Vista) JUST LISTED!
June 08, 2007
Con Air (Buena Vista)
Crimson Tide (Buena Vista)
The Rock (Buena Vista)

MSpeed, glad to have you.

You've got the best playback device on either format right now.

Complaining about The Deer Hunter coming out on the format?


...

The Jerk, School of Scoundrels, Brokeback Mountain ...who is Universal targeting?

Complaining about The Deer Hunter coming out on the format?


...

Tell me about it - I understand that BD has more movies on the way, several of which I'm looking forward to buying, but slamming quality catalog titles?

nothing against the movie but 25yearold movie doesn't belong in a first year HD adaption catalog. No matter how good the transfer, it'll never look good or sound as a new film. Everyone is entitled to their opinion ofcourse.

nothing against the movie but 25yearold movie doesn't belong in a first year HD adaption catalog. No matter how good the transfer, it'll never look good as a new film.

So what? To me, the point is to get movies I like looking better than they have on video before, not to have everything look sharp and clear. If you don't want to buy older movies, that's fine, but don't say they don't belong just because you don't want them.

The Jerk, School of Scoundrels, Brokeback Mountain ...who is Universal targeting?

Brokeback Mountain was a best picture nominee and is selling quite well for them. I hope that its UK Blu-ray release is region free as I want to own it. That film is targeted at Gay men, Women, and film buffs. All good targets for their format. Not really sure about the other two.

/carmi

Blu Ray right now, is the logical choice ;)

thats fine. I generally don't care for older movies in general. I like movies i grew up watching in the 90's.

If your post is any indication of what's to come, you're well on your way to becoming a Blu-Ray fanboy.

What exactly is so fanboyish about his post? He's in a position to directly compare and contrast the two formats and make a sound decision about his preference.Compare this to several BR or HDDVD owners on here who never tried the competing format but feel justified in slamming the competition anyway...

You don't need to be a rocket scientist, clairvoyant or Einstein to figure out which way the wind is blowing. At this point there is absolutely no reason for any Blu-ray exclusive studio to serve HD DVD as well. I'm not saying Blu-ray is better, mind you, because they still seem to be trying to iron out the rough spots with java to deliver all of the interactive features that HD DVD already delivers. But content is proving to be king and the Blu-ray camp is making sure that consumers salivate over their choices. Just looking at my wish list and order list confirms that reality for me.

Blu-ray fans should just sit back and enjoy the title announcements. All the rhetoric is really foolish at this point.

Welcome to the One True Religion

I went with HD DVD last year mainly due to the price and not wanting to sink a drastic amount of money in the format war (that and I am not a big fan of Sony).
I now have about 67 HD DVDs and enjoy them very much (well most, some I just bought for PQ eye candy but that is a different thread). I enjoy the older films on HD DVD The Searchers, Casablanca, and Robin Hood to name a few. They are pristine transfers that allow me to watch classics as if they were filmed yesterday.
These are awesome times (techwise) that we live in. After a couples of years of trolling the boards I decided to join and opine. I became a HD DVD cheerleader bordering on Fanboy. I would bash Blu and tell every one I spoke with on the topic how much better HD DVD was than Blurry. I think most of the reason for this "fanboyism" if you will was the same reason most consumers and companies preach their choice or product or belief or you name it. Justification of investment.
I did not want to look stupid for investing in a format that may lose. I wanted to prove I was smart in choosing the right format. So what better way than to toe the party line and bash the other side. When the PS3 came out I would refer to it as the PoS3 or the Paystation...you get the idea. Last week I decided I would give ole blu a try. I decided to buy a....wait for it.....a...gasp...PS3. I bought one BD and told myself that if it sucked I was bringing it back and all my claims and posts would be justified all the more.
It did NOT suck. while the PS3 has locked up on me more than the Tosh A1 ever did and I have had it a whole week now I will not take it back. I am in movie heaven. I have already purchased nine BDs and plan on purchasing many more of BOTH formats. If given the choice between combo and BD I will purchase BD. if given the choice between Fox and Studio Canal I will choose studio canal. Could Fox have a higher MSRP for a non combo disc? They need to have a promo of buy Two Fox BDs get a BD Player free.
I guess the point of this rambling is that it was stated earlier that Blu was the best choice. I disagree the best choice is both. I love having two players. My wife was glad that I chose the PS over a combo player for the fact that if one player craps out we can at least watch some of our movies. I had the add on to compliment my Tosh...I hated it just like the OP. I returned it and end up with Blu. Does that mean HD DVD sucks no. It means I was unhappy with the 360 add on.
If you have the money give the other side a FAIR shake (you can always return it) and you will see the happiness and relief to be had from being Format Neutral.

I'm done rambling.....time for my Adderall.

Thanks for your story. What movie did you purchase as your first Blu-ray?


Monster House....followed by KOH...then Dinosaur...then Crank and the rest is history

You don't need to be a rocket scientist, clairvoyant or Einstein to figure out which way the wind is blowing.
I agree and felt that way from the very start. However, in the OP's defense, on more than one occasions I almost picked up a Toshiba after reading some of the posts on these forums. Had I not already been vested in BD, I would of surely been an owner of an HD-DVD player... especially if I was just getting into these formats around August and September. This would of all been the fault of AVSforum(members not staff). Lets just say I would be very (insert foul language here) right about now.....

In defense of above stated site, I also put the blame on Sony and Lions Gate for not releasing better launch titles(Its my belief that some titles look better in HD than others no matter what they do. These first titles should have been chosen more carefully). And Samsung for releasing a player with the softening chip engaged. These two events alone put the whole "BD is inferior" ball in motion which various sites and forums ran with.

I'll probably pick up a 360 hd drive again used in about a year for less then 100dollars. "Fear and loathing" is one of my fav movies and I'm sure i'll want it again, hopefully by then all the audio compression and lip syncing issues will be worked out.

Excellent. :)
Welcome to the blu-ray camp.
Call it as you see it. :D

...I almost picked up a Toshiba after reading some of the posts on these forums. Had I not already been vested in BD, I would of surely been an owner of an HD-DVD player... especially if I was just getting into these formats around August and September. This would of all been the fault of AVSforum(members not staff). Lets just say I would be very (insert foul language here) right about now.....

In defense of above stated site, I also put the blame on Sony and Lions Gate for not releasing better launch titles(Its my belief that some titles look better in HD than others no matter what they do. These first titles should have been chosen more carefully). And Samsung for releasing a player with the softening chip engaged. These two events alone put the whole "BD is inferior" ball in motion which various sites and forums ran with.

So you are saying that it was the fault of the AVS forum members that they favored the better format last year? Well, Shamus on you! If you want to be objective and honest, you would have to agree that before the PS3 and other Blu-ray players were released, people were being fair in judging the quality of HD DVD to be superior to Blu-ray. The HD DVD titles looked better, the title selection was better and the Toshiba models out-performed the very expensive Samsung player at half the price!! So, lets not start revisionist history because that is why I and many other members of this and other forums went with HD DVD. I also happen to firmly believe that the Blu-ray camp only got their collective asses together because they were afraid this thing was going down in HD DVDs favor unless they quickly made some corrections.

Now flash forward to the present. We have an excellent and reasonably priced stand-alone Blu-ray player, the Playstation 3, and it delivers on almost every level. The studios supporting Blu-ray have stepped up their efforts to deliver first-rate high definition titles. The AVS members that were passionate about HD DVD are deciding to go neutral because they want to buy high definition movies. PERIOD. They weren't lying or trying to manipulate you out of your hard-earned dough. HD DVD was off to a much better start than Blu-ray and you can bet your ass that it would still be leading if the studios supported both formats. But you have to play with the cards you are dealt and I would have to agree that at this point it appears that the heir apparent to the DVD is Blu-ray disc.

Brokeback Mountain was a best picture nominee and is selling quite well for them. I hope that its UK Blu-ray release is region free as I want to own it. That film is targeted at Gay men, Women, and film buffs. All good targets for their format. Not really sure about the other two.

/carmi

Brokeback Mountain on HD DVD also has extremely disappointing PQ.

The one thing HD DVD had going for it, besides low player price, was outstanding PQ. And now Universal turns out disappointing PQ on such a high-profile release. Not a good sign.

I am a convert, too, but I am now format neutral. I bought a PS3 about a week and a half ago and I agree with Kikar that the best option is getting both. I also own the Toshiba HD-A1 and the XBOX 360 add-on. I currently have 51 HD DVD movies and 9 BD movies. I ordered 2 HD DVD movies today and will be buying more BD movies soon. I can't wait for The Prestige and Casino Royale on BD. I also want to get The Departed and I want to listen to the lossless track, but I'll be getting it on HD DVD because the PS3 has no analog outputs and my receiver lacks HDMI.

Brokeback Mountain on HD DVD also has extremely disappointing PQ.

The one thing HD DVD had going for it, besides low player price, was outstanding PQ. And now Universal turns out disappointing PQ on such a high-profile release. Not a good sign.

Really? They didn't think so and neither do I.

Reviewed by Peter M. Bracke, High-Def Digest:

'Brokeback Mountain' hits HD DVD with some high expectations, as even the film's most ardent detractors showered the film with praise for its beautiful visuals and expert cinematography. I'm happy to report that I, for one, was not disappointed. Presented in 1.85:1 widescreen and 1080p/VC-1 video, this is a gorgeous presentation that suitably captures the movie's earthy, film-like texture and grace.

According to Universal a new master has not been struck for this HD DVD release, but the film is only a year old and the source looks great anyway. Sure, there is a bit of grain throughout, that's only natural since -- yes, folks -- 'Brokeback Mountain' was actually shot on film (how old fashioned!). The grain is not intrusive, and for me adds to the experience by giving it a touch more grit. Colors are terrific, from the lush greens of the mountain countryside to the vivid blues and reds of the oft-cited fireworks shot used in much of the promotion for the film. Yes, hues are a bit more subtle and natural than most modern films, but colors remain stable and clean, and fleshtones lovely. Depth and detail are also excellent, and a quick compare of a few scenes with the standard-def DVD release (a new two-disc special is being released concurrently with the HD DVD) reveals some noticeable improvements. The early scenes as Jack and Ennis first meet up on the mountain are more textured and three-dimensional. Close-ups are also improved, and I could see every strand of Anne Hathaway's ever-more-hilarious hairstyles as the movie progresses.

My only complaint with this transfer is that there can be a bit of edginess to some images. This is best exemplified by a low shot early on of Ennis on a horse, silhouetted against the sky, where there is some slight ringing around the most contrasted part of the image. Edge enhancement is never truly severe, but it was still enough of an irritant that it leads me to knock 'Brokeback Mountain' down half a peg from being a true five-star transfer.


Review by Brendan Surpless, UpcomingDiscs.com

Presented in a 1080p, VC-1 Encoded, 1:85:1 Widescreen Aspect Ratio, Brokeback Mountain looks excellent throughout capturing all over the earthly, mountain themes conveyed in the film.

The obvious biggest benefit here is that the film’s print, which is about one year old, is extremely new. This results in great colors (particularly the subtle blues and whites of the sky) and a little bit of grain. Now I’m sure someone reading this will think ‘oh no grain! Not in the HD era!’. Well for a film like Brokeback Mountain grain is exceptable as Ang Lee shot using film not HD camera like most directors are using nowadays.

Detail was excellent as well with many noticeable improvements over the SD-DVD release. Since I own both I threw in the SD-DVD release and compared a few scenes. Any real closeup or Ennis and Jack resulted in a more 3-D image we’ve come to expect from HD and a far greater use of texture (particularly in some of the outfits). In complete honesty the only negative I noticed here (similar in the SD-DVD release) was a bit of EE in a few exterior shots. Otherwise from that this is a stellar transfer.

It is always refreshing to get a well-balanced opinion.

Eh, pat is really picky about PQ.

It has to be flawless to get any praise out of him. I think I have seen him complement like 2 or 3 movies and he seems to watch every release.

This is exactly what Im talking about....

The HD DVD titles looked better
Like I said.. Sony and Lions Gate did not choose wisely in some of their initial releases. Do you really think they would of looked better on HD-DVD? Did titles released on both formats look better on HD-DVD?

the title selection was better
Well it did have a head start. Why wouldnt it have a better selection.

Toshiba models out-performed the very expensive Samsung player
Besides the DNR chip, lets not get carried away. I suppose you were one of the lucky few who's Toshiba worked flawlessly?

They weren't lying or trying to manipulate you
Some most definitely were and still are!

That film (brokeback mountain) is targeted at Gay men, Women, and film buffs.

I am a Film Buff. Anyone else?

I am a Film Buff. Anyone else?
lol..

Eh, pat is really picky about PQ.

It has to be flawless to get any praise out of him. I think I have seen him complement like 2 or 3 movies and he seems to watch every release.

It's nice to know someone is paying attention to my little preferences.

But really, just limiting myself to the HD DVD side, I think the following all look very nice: Hulk, Scorpion King, Chronicles of Riddick, Seabiscuit, MI3, Tokyo Drift . . .

Well for a film like Brokeback Mountain grain is exceptable as Ang Lee shot using film not HD camera like most directors are using nowadays.
Clueless people should not review HD-DVDs. :rolleyes:

I just sold my 360 hddvd drive and bought a ps3. Originally bought the 360 add on week it came out because of all the hddvd raves from the forum below. I was pretty impressed with the picture quality but the audio quality was horrid. I understand there is a patch in the works but I kinda gave up after a couple months for any hope. Just gave up watching hd dvd all together because of the horrible compression issue.

After the universals anouncemnt for the "the Jerk" and "the game", I decided to take my losses and sell the hddvd drive/movies. Whats up with hd dvd releasing all these old movies?? Mummy returns, sting, excalibar and deer hunter???? come on, I can really careless about these old movies on the 2 dollar clearance rack. New releases like brokeback and clerks 2 really don't get my hd tingle going.

I'm really liking the releases of bluray, alot of blockbusters and new releases. I really didn't do too much research when i bought the hddvd but now I have and bluray is clearly the better buy even though it costs more. I went in to hddvd because of the 200dollar price tag and really wasn't worth it, to me atleast. As for the picture/audio quality differences, both seem equal. Both look great. Acutally Crank looks better then King kong to my eyes, as for the audio there is no comparason blu ray just sounds better and more dynamic and volume. I also like the fact that there is no lipsynicing issues I had with the hddvd drive.
The movie selection is just much better to me on bluray and its really nice knowing the releases far out so you know selections will continue pumping out.

I'm not a hd or blu ray fanboy, just someone that has had both and giving my comment. Maybe if someone is in the same situation I was they can learn something from this.

Can't wait for movies like - Layer Cake, New Bond, American psycho, Snatch, Fight Club, Spiderman and Pixar movies


I don't understand people dumping on the "prior" system business. I have the A1 and the PS3. Both are very good. Both have their pluses and minuses. Hidef for movies whether blu ray or HD DVD is good. There's no way I'd dump on my A1. The PS3 I just bought last week - 60 gb version. Like it a lot. Plus I got 9 blu ray movies. I have approx. 60 HD DVD movies. So maybe you had some problems and can curse the light but I don't see the need for the slamming.

HPforme,

congratulations on your Blu Ray purchase. I also enjoy both formats, but see BR in the lead now. If I could find a bookie I would bet on Blu Ray.

1. Amount of releases announced for 2007 and lack of HD DVD releases.
2. Trend of Blu Ray disc sales
3. larger capacity (I know, the vaporware 51gb HD DVD, but I doubt that will become reality soon or even whether or not the current players can play them).

Phansson

That's interesting that you are now truly neutral. You even have the same amount of BD and HD DVD discs.

I don't know if I would have done what the OP did. If I have an Xbox and HD DVD drive I'm likely going to just go neutral rather than switch formats. In the end having $100 studio support is what I have to have.

Perhaps space is an issue or connectivity but I try not to limit my choices when I don't have to.

I don't understand people dumping on the "prior" system business. I have the A1 and the PS3. Both are very good. Both have their pluses and minuses. Hidef for movies whether blu ray or HD DVD is good. There's no way I'd dump on my A1. The PS3 I just bought last week - 60 gb version. Like it a lot. Plus I got 9 blu ray movies. I have approx. 60 HD DVD movies. So maybe you had some problems and can curse the light but I don't see the need for the slamming.

Not everyone has disposable income to have both, thats why. The 200dollars i got for selling my drive and movies went towards paying for ps3.

I don't understand people dumping on the "prior" system business. I have the A1 and the PS3. Both are very good. Both have their pluses and minuses. Hidef for movies whether blu ray or HD DVD is good. There's no way I'd dump on my A1. The PS3 I just bought last week - 60 gb version. Like it a lot. Plus I got 9 blu ray movies. I have approx. 60 HD DVD movies. So maybe you had some problems and can curse the light but I don't see the need for the slamming.

Some people get their feet wet first while others just dive in. He is probably thinking Blu-Ray will win and eventually Universal will release all their movies on Blu-Ray. No need to hang on ...sell the hd dvd add-on while it has value.

exactly.
Welcome to the club, bro.

Not everyone has disposable imcome to have both, thats why. The 200dollars i got for selling my drive and movies went towards paying for ps3.

That makes total sense.

and that's why when it came down to it at the end of '06. I chose to get the PS3. I was heavily leaning towards HDdvd (and you can check my post history here at AVS and see this...) but just saw the new exclusive releases drying up. And this was back at the end of December! Since then, I have seen alot of announced BD titles that are enticing (along with admittedly, alot of titles that are Not) but so little in the case of HDdvd that every day I am happier with the choice I made...

:)

HPforme,

congratulations on your Blu Ray purchase. I also enjoy both formats, but see BR in the lead now. If I could find a bookie I would bet on Blu Ray.

1. Amount of releases announced for 2007 and lack of HD DVD releases.
2. Trend of Blu Ray disc sales
3. larger capacity (I know, the vaporware 51gb HD DVD, but I doubt that will become reality soon or even whether or not the current players can play them).

Thanks. I don't think there's any doubt that the New Year's initiative puts blu ray in the lead. Fox and Disney need to step up big time. I'm looking for X-Files (the series) for example from Fox. That's a huge one for me. There are some big titles out there. On the other side Universal needs to release Jaws, or the Jurassic Trilogy. Silence.....I'm looking at three big titles coming up for blu ray: Lawrence of Arabia, Dances with Wolves and Bridge over the River Kwai.

I see Universal has just announced 100 titles will be out out this year. That's great. Scarface is one of them. I'm sure many of those titles will cause blu only people to buy into the other format. It's all good.

Phansson

That's interesting that you are now truly neutral. You even have the same amount of BD and HD DVD discs.

I am neutral because I own both formats. I do lean to the Blu Ray side though.

I purchase Blu ray unless it is an exclusive release on HD DVD.

Yes, I really do have the exact same number of blu ray and HD DVD discs at the moment. That is not a lie. This will change over the next month though. Only 3 HD DVD titles that I want and about 10 Blu Ray.

Also, I forgot to add that I also like the 1080p/24 output on my BDP-S1. I wouldn't mind picking up the XA2 but I have heard that it does some weird conversion of 1080p/24 to 1080p/60 and then back to 1080p/24 for output. That sounds like more processing than I would like.

The last three movies I have watched have been HD DVD and I really can tell that the judder is reduced on my Blu Rays. I just received AVP, The Guardian and We were soldiers today, so those will be the next three.

Is it just me? I'm confused, the OP says this:

Just gave up watching hd dvd all together because of the horrible compression issue.

Then this later in the post:

As for the picture/audio quality differences, both seem equal. Both look great.

And then this:

as for the audio there is no comparason blu ray just sounds better and more dynamic and volume.

He says one thing, then later says that Blu Ray is better, what gives?

I think most of the perceived discrepency stems from the 360 drive having been the playback device.

The OP says that format-strength-wise, the two are similar; ie capable of similar PQ/AQ.

In terms of his *own* experience with the add-on, the audio failings were a big problem.

And he later goes on to credit BD in the audio space, audio clearly being an important criteria for him. And I do agree, that for audio the uncompressed tracks are where it's at.

and that's why when it came down to it at the end of '06. I chose to get the PS3. I was heavily leaning towards HDdvd (and you can check my post history here at AVS and see this...) but just saw the new exclusive releases drying up. And this was back at the end of December! Since then, I have seen alot of announced BD titles that are enticing (along with admittedly, alot of titles that are Not) but so little in the case of HDdvd that every day I am happier with the choice I made...

:)

Just out of curiosity, did you see Universal's announcement today?

and that's why when it came down to it at the end of '06. I chose to get the PS3. I was heavily leaning towards HDdvd (and you can check my post history here at AVS and see this...) but just saw the new exclusive releases drying up. And this was back at the end of December! Since then, I have seen alot of announced BD titles that are enticing (along with admittedly, alot of titles that are Not) but so little in the case of HDdvd that every day I am happier with the choice I made...

:)
Really? Check this out this 100 movies announcement from Universal:

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Universal/Disc_Announcements/Universal_Plans_100_New_HD_DVD_Titles_in_2007,_Still_Says_No _to_Blu-ray/449

http://dvd.themanroom.com/dvd-newsview.php?id=447

I am so happy to be Neutral...there are so many movies that can be purchased or rented in either format...with all these movies coming from both formats I will be busy for awhile. There is no way I would be one sided. I want it all. :D

I am so happy to be Neutral...there are so many movies that can be purchased or rented in either format...with all these movies coming from both formats I will be busy for awhile. There is no way I would be one sided. I want it all. :D

Agreed. Happy times with the 100 Universal announcement today there's going to be a huge stream of movies. This is only good for the blu ray exclusives at it forces them out of any tendency to be apathetic and meet the challenge. Us format neutral guys only benefit, hehehe.

I am so happy to be Neutral...there are so many movies that can be purchased or rented in either format...with all these movies coming from both formats I will be busy for awhile. There is no way I would be one sided. I want it all. :D
My sentiments exactly. :)

Really? Check this out this 100 movies announcement from Universal:

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Universal/Disc_Announcements/Universal_Plans_100_New_HD_DVD_Titles_in_2007,_Still_Says_No _to_Blu-ray/449

http://dvd.themanroom.com/dvd-newsview.php?id=447
Was there anything new about it??? Sounds like they are just repeating what they said earlier....

smart move IMHO. HD-DVD wont last out the year

Was there anything new about it??? Sounds like they are just repeating what they said earlier....

Saying they will release 100 titles this year but naming only a few and giving dates for even fewer is not much of an announcement.

And saying they have "no plans" to support Blu-ray is likewise not much of a commitment.

Man you BD only fanboys are missing out on a lot of HD content...I feel for you. I love all this HD coming from both sides. HD DVD is NOT going away anytime soon same goes for BD. ENJOY HD NOW :D

Really? Check this out this 100 movies announcement from Universal:

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Universal/Disc_Announcements/Universal_Plans_100_New_HD_DVD_Titles_in_2007,_Still_Says_No _to_Blu-ray/449

http://dvd.themanroom.com/dvd-newsview.php?id=447

"Noticeably absent from the 2007 release list, however, are any blockbusters by Steven Spielberg, most of whose major hits are Universal titles, including 'E.T.,' 'Jaws' and 'Jurassic Park.'"

I am excited about Lock Stock and Bourne, but the big ones are where it's at.

They need to release movies that people want to own, not just watch. The big ones like Jaws and Jurassic are titles that you collect. (psycho and many other hitchcock do fall into this category for me and I am awaiting the release with baited breath)

smart move IMHO. HD-DVD wont last out the year

Seriously, how can you lead yourself to believe that? Furthermore, how can you be so confident about it?

I've had the HD-A1 since last August and it rocks! However, I love movies and there are some good ones that are/will be BD exclusive. Therefore, I'm taking the XBOX 360 that I bought exclusively to play on-line games back to Best Buy and getting the 60GB PS3. My wife acts like I'm looking at hardcore porn or something everytime she catches me playing Battlefield on the XBOX. If she comes in while I'm watching a movie, I hit "pause", pretend like I'm listening to her and then resume after she's left the room. I also have no more space in my setup for a standard stand alone unit, but the PS3 can stand upright behind my SXRD. If the playback on this unit is as good as everyone says for movies, then thanks for the convincing! :)

Seriously, how can you lead yourself to believe that? Furthermore, how can you be so confident about it?

Well I think it's a bit optimistic to think that HD DVD won't last the year but it's not out of the question. I don't think they'll throw in the towel, but perhaps consumers may have just given up entirely by then

After release of ps3, bluray sales jumped significantly. So gamers are buying movies. And when ps3 sells over 10mil by the end of the year, universal share holders will force them to make movies for it Afterall movie companies are not non profit business, they are there to make money for the share holders.

After release of ps3, bluray sales jumped significantly. So gamers are buying movies.

Or people are buying the PS3 to watch films. We have to remember that the PS3 is very attractive to BD supporters given the price. OTOH it's not very attractive to gamers given the relatively high price

its a win win situation either way for sony i guess. I personally bought the ps3 for movies, maybe i'll probably buy GT, MGS and F1. I generally like my 360 more, currently but that may change in a year or two.

Man you BD only fanboys are missing out on a lot of HD content...I feel for you. I love all this HD coming from both sides. HD DVD is NOT going away anytime soon same goes for BD. ENJOY HD NOW :D
At least ONE HUNDRED MOVIES! If my math serves me right.:)

We get to enjoy all of that on HD DVD and get to enjoy the BR movies on the Sammy...isn't being format neutral grand? :D

Man you BD only fanboys are missing out on a lot of HD content...I feel for you. I love all this HD coming from both sides. HD DVD is NOT going away anytime soon same goes for BD. ENJOY HD NOW :D

From your perspective that might be true, but I don't need or want an HD-DVD player. I'm sure many other people feel similarly.

From your perspective that might be true, but I don't need or want an HD-DVD player. I'm sure many other people feel similarly.
They just might change their thinking if they found out that an HD DVD player, the HD-XA1 just won the prestigious Player Of the Year Award for 2006. :) http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9594044#post9594044

so? PS3 won best new hardware from IGN. People might agree or disagree. Who cares?

so? PS3 won best new hardware from IGN. People might agree or disagree. Who cares?
Buddy, IGN is crap compared to Sound & Vision, the world's largest entertainment magazine! It is the Oscar of the CE world. :)
HD-XA1 was awarded its prestigious Product of the Year Award, recognizing it as the most outstanding consumer electronics product of 2006.

That's nothing to sneeze at, especially for a product that some members in the BR forum have called "quirky". ;)

Buddy, IGN is crap compared to Sound & Vision, the world's largest entertainment magazine! It is the Oscar of the CE world. :)
HD-XA1 was awarded its prestigious Product of the Year Award, recognizing it as the most outstanding consumer electronics product of 2006.

That's nothing to sneeze at, especially for a product that some members in the BR forum have called "quirky". ;)


you have your opinions and i have mine. I'd just stay away from toshiba all together from whats reported of the users. Besides I had returned 2 of my upscaling dvd players becasue of random freezing. I put Toshiba below RCA when it comes to CE products.

They just might change their thinking if they found out that an HD DVD player, the HD-XA1 just won the prestigious Player Of the Year Award for 2006. :) http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9594044#post9594044

I doubt that. It could win 100 awards, but I still don't need or want it.

They just might change their thinking if they found out that an HD DVD player, the HD-XA1 just won the prestigious Player Of the Year Award for 2006. :) http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9594044#post9594044

This one won't...

I simply don't need a HD-DVD player. I have a BD player with plenty of content. Sure there are movies on HD-DVD that I'd like to own but I'm not a fanatic. I don't have to have it right now... which sadly has become the new way of thinking. I can wait until the format war is decided in which case I'll buy the BD when it is released or a HD-DVD player.... which ever it may be.

This one won't...

I simply don't need a HD-DVD player. I have a BD player with plenty of content. Sure there are movies on HD-DVD that I'd like to own but I'm not a fanatic. I don't have to have it right now... which sadly has become the new way of thinking. I can wait until the format war is decided in which case I'll buy the BD when it is released or a HD-DVD player.... which ever it may be.
Fair enough.

At least ONE HUNDRED MOVIES! If my math serves me right.:)

We get to enjoy all of that on HD DVD and get to enjoy the BR movies on the Sammy...isn't being format neutral grand? :DI love it...being able to get whatever HD/BD disc that I want. I am even more happier now that Universal is finally releasing some good stuff to go along with my good stuff from BD. 2007 is going to be exciting. :D

I love it...being able to get whatever HD/BD disc that I want. I am even more happier now that Universal is finally releasing some good stuff to go along with my good stuff from BD. 2007 is going to be exciting. :D
DITTO! :D

HD-XA1 was awarded its prestigious Product of the Year Award, recognizing it as the most outstanding consumer electronics product of 2006.Was it an oversight on your part or did you not notice the PS3 was awarded a "Editors Choice Award Video"? And how in the world did you miss the Bose award?

That's nothing to sneeze at, especially for a product that some members in the BR forum have called "quirky". ;)Double check it, the "quirky" comment comes from owners.

Buddy, IGN is crap compared to Sound & Vision, the world's largest entertainment magazine! It is the Oscar of the CE world. :)
HD-XA1 was awarded its prestigious Product of the Year Award, recognizing it as the most outstanding consumer electronics product of 2006.

That's nothing to sneeze at, especially for a product that some members in the BR forum have called "quirky". ;)

IGN is primarily a video gaming site owned by Fox. They do not deal with CE much.

I must have lucked out as I have never had any problems with my Tosh (sans the slow load time). But I have had several Lock ups of both the PS3 and controller. But I still love BD just as much as HD DVD. One quirky player does not a format make....in my opinion. Besides while the Tosh is booting up I can watch a BD on the PS3....When the PS3 freezes I can flip over to the Tosh watch an HD DVD....then reboot the PS3 and finish my BD. :D

If you are going to support one format, you are going to miss out on some titles. There's just no way around it. I can't afford to support both formats. I got into this because of console gaming. I've always loved movies though, now I am more into HD movies than actual gaming. But I got the 360 because it came out first, that's the only reason. I'm very happy with it. I saw $200 as a good price for the HD-DVD player. EVen if the format dies out, I still will have a bunch of movies to watch on it. By the time the dust settles, hopefully we will have a dual format player for a good price, or one format will succeed. When that happens, consumers win IMO.

There's a lot of great HD-DVD's I want, and many more on the way to keep me busy. I simply can't afford to own every hi def movie I want right now. I make a lot of money, but I am not rich, but I have financial goals that require me to save my dough. But if the movies you like the most are on bluray and you can only afford one format, it does make sense to switch. I don't have surround sound, so that's a non issue for me right now. Of the bluray releases you guys listed, there's maybe 3 I would buy, maybe 3 from the older Hd-DVD list as well. I'll be buying about 3 more from the newly added list of 100. I guess for me Hd-DVD has enough titles to keep me busy, but of course there are some blu-ray ones I really want.

IGN is primarily a video gaming site owned by Fox. They do not deal with CE much.
Oh, I know.
He was just grasping at straws. I don't think he knew what the credibility that Sound And Vision wealds.

Shaun of the Dead on HD DVD.
Casino Royale on Blu Ray.

These are reasons I'll never take one side or the other!

Oh, I know.
He was just grasping at straws. I don't think he knew what the credibility that Sound And Vision wields.

Credibiliy of Sound and Vision? Recall this is the old magazine Stereo Review with a new title. Worst magazine, worst writers and never, ever wrote a negtive review. It is really 'The Idiots Guide To Home Theater'.

I think the main reason that the PS3 did not win all of the "Product of Year" awards from the various publications is because it was released so late in the year.

Remember publications will annouce these awards in their December issues, which really means you receive the issue in November and hence, not time to review it.

I personally get "Home Theater Magazine" and "The Perfect Vision." Take The Perfect Vision. They annouced their "Products of the Year" award in the last issue I received in December. Then a few days a go I got the newest issue and it has a PS3 on the cover with the following text in large writing: "Sony PS3: World's Best Blu-ray Player" Throughout the review by Scott Wilkinson, he is absolutely blown away by how well the PS3 works and all the functions it delivers. He goes on to say that, "the PS3 + a SXRD = A Match Made In Heaven." He also concludes his review by saying, "this black beauty is one hell of a deal!" Home Theater Magazine did the same thing as well, they reviewed the PS3 after they had already given out their awards for 2006. They too were absolutely blown away by the PS3.

I mean comparing the PS3 to the HD-XA1 is truly and apples and oranges comparison anyways:

The PS3 is an HTPC, has 1080p, has HDMI 1.3, has a 60/20 GB hard drive,plays SACD's, has incredible online functions, you can download movie trailers and complete games, you can play CD's with the album information automatically appearing on your screen, oh and it plays all the Play Station games ever and also Blu-ray discs. Did I mention it only costs $459.00.

The HD-XA1 does none of this and is priced at $499.00.

I mean come-on, who in their right mind would give the Product of the Year award to the HD-XA1 over the PS3? Whoever would, would definately lose most of their credibility with the HT Enthusiast crowd and not to mention anyone with a brain.

~Josh

Sound and Vision giving the XA1 the product of the year is a joke. $800 price tag at release, you can buy them for $350 now ( only 7 months later). Buggy, audio sync problems. Quality control issues.

If they wanted to give it to HD DVD, I would have no problem with that. HD DVD kicked Blu Ray to the ground for that six month span in 2006.

Buggy, audio sync problems. Quality control issues.

Zero problems with mine. You must be talking about the Samsung BD player. :)

Credibiliy of Sound and Vision? Recall this is the old magazine Stereo Review with a new title. Worst magazine, worst writers and never, ever wrote a negtive review. It is really 'The Idiots Guide To Home Theater'.
Tell us how you really feel... :D BTW, I agree with you.

The only magazine worth anything these days is Widescreen Review. Once in a while, I check out the old Stereophile Guide to Home Theater (now web only at Ultimateavmag.com).

Whys is every thread here just FILLED with HDdvd supporters bashing away.
Is there so little to talk about down under? Aren't there some "100 new phantom releases!!!" to yip yip about elsewhere..?

Lagosian, just take off already. You say "format neutral" yet you are in EVERY BD thread just making trouble. Get Lost.

Lagosian, just take off already. You say "format neutral" yet you are in EVERY BD thread just making trouble. Get Lost.
Like I said to Plazman the other day, there are an awful lot of HD DVD zealots sneaking around under the guise of "format neutrality".

exactly.
And what's hilarious is as of as recently as 2 weeks ago, 90% of HDdvd owners disliked combo discs, now, virtually all of them say they're just "GREAT!" because they have no choice. (except for the few HDdvd owners who AREN'T mindless sheep desperately waiting for any crumb Universal throws at them and they are being pounced upon by the easily manipulated in the "Universal 90% combos! thread)

The only thing keeping HDdvd alive at all anymore is Universal's support. Since Universal wants to rook the owners with combos (you know, because there are just SO many SDdvd owners waiting for that 3rd SD release of "The Jerk" even though the previous SE is only $5.99 at amazon now) and that HDdvd owners have no choice, combos are now "Great!!!"
Because this guy supposedly bought a Sammy and maybe 5 BD discs, he thinks it's ok for him to just troll around here against forum rules in every thread bashing away.
To enter a BD thread where people are discussing BD to say, "Universal announces 100 Titles!!!" is off topic, against the rules and clearly just looking to start trouble.

I guess it gets kinda boring just hanging around the HDdvd section waiting for the release date of...
"American Pie: The Herpes edition..." to be announced!

;)

I think Plazman and Lagosian are the llargest HD DVD Fan Boys at AVS. Ironically, BOTH these guys claim neutrality in their sigs but are the loudest HD DVD zealots of all if you read their posts (particualrly Lagosian).


At least when I owned both, like those guys I too was obvious as to where my bias lay. In fact, I always posted I wanted Blu Ray to win the war.

Every post, they mock themselves and their credibility. It is sort of funny in a way. The fact that Lagosian's name is in all capitol letters just shouts (no pun intended) 'Let's argue'!

2 out of every 3 threads Lagosian starts have dynamic titles, are entirely PRO-HD DVD and are closed within minutes.

and I remember, Jeff, when Lagosian stated that he didn't believe that you ever owned an HDdvd machine. Well, I don't see any pix. of him and his "sammy" and his 5 or so BD discs...

and I remember, Jeff, when Lagosian stated that he didn't believe that you ever owned an HDdvd machine. Well, I don't see any pix. of him and his "sammy" and his 5 or so BD discs...


I know. I laughed out loud when I read that. I posted photos of my rack with the HD DVD player in it.

In fact, he (or Plazman) claimed I actually photoshopped a HD A2 into my rack as the picture looked a bit too 'greenish' (insinuating I was lying about the fact that I owned a HD DVD player).......................oh, brother......

exactly.
And what's hilarious is as of as recently as 2 weeks ago, 90% of HDdvd owners disliked combo discs, now, virtually all of them say they're just "GREAT!" because they have no choice. (except for the few HDdvd owners who AREN'T mindless sheep desperately waiting for any crumb Universal throws at them and they are being pounced upon by the easily manipulated in the "Universal 90% combos! thread)
Yeah, check out the thread in the general HDTV Software area where some are trying to argue that combos are the new "HD DVD Trojan Horse". HAHAHAHAHA. You'll appreciate my comment in that thread. ;)

Yep, I'm sure Universal is going to cancel all of their scheduled DVDs for this year and release combos only. Yep, that must be it. :D

:)
The bottom line is it's best for all HD fans that this war actually end now. Two competing formats with different exclusives is only going to make J6P wait longer to jump in and both formats could easily stagnate. This could become DVD-a/SACD all over again.
If we all want the most HD media possible so that we can all look forward to hopefully getting our faves released, there needs to be a victor. The sooner, the better. Like Divx and dvd.

:)
The bottom line is it's best for all HD fans that this war actually end now. Two competing formats with different exclusives is only going to make J6P wait longer to jump in and both formats could easily stagnate. This could become DVD-a/SACD all over again.
If we all want the most HD media possible so that we can all look forward to hopefully getting our faves released, there needs to be a victor. The sooner, the better. Like Divx and dvd.
Hi, Dave. I completely agree with your assesment. To the OP, I'm wondering if it's a little too early to be choosing sides, if you've already tasted HD. Sure, the selection is bad right now, but I don't think I would be "changing sides" just yet. Selection is king, and both formats give you that. Just my opinion. Certainly not questioning you.

There is nothing wrong with choosing sides, but at least choose the right side which right now is Blu-ray.

At least ONE HUNDRED MOVIES! If my math serves me right.:)

We get to enjoy all of that on HD DVD and get to enjoy the BR movies on the Sammy...isn't being format neutral grand? :D
/punch

I know. I laughed out loud when I read that. I posted photos of my rack with the HD DVD player in it.

In fact, he (or Plazman) claimed I actually photoshopped a HD A2 into my rack as the picture looked a bit too 'greenish' (insinuating I was lying about the fact that I owned a HD DVD player).......................oh, brother......

It's hilarious that as every minute tics by they both get more an more insecure. I guess I would also be that insecure if I were in their shoes. Thankfully I am not :D

Buddy, IGN is crap compared to Sound & Vision, the world's largest entertainment magazine! It is the Oscar of the CE world. :)
HD-XA1 was awarded its prestigious Product of the Year Award, recognizing it as the most outstanding consumer electronics product of 2006.

That's nothing to sneeze at, especially for a product that some members in the BR forum have called "quirky". ;)

Yet the PS3 does so much more and is a superior product.. :D

Only FOOLS beleive this Format War will end soon...Hell it may never end! I will continue to support both formats as I want all the HD I can get. ;)

Originally Posted by LAGOSIAN
Originally Posted by 1loudsuv
oh yah thebland i think you should think twice about dumping your a2 unless your getting an xa2
he did post a picture and had a nice setup on the hd-dvd setups thread. but i did notice the picture was greenish compared ot the others so who knows could of been photoshoped either way someone owning both formats doesnt give them the right to bash one of them constantly.




He never had one. I seriously doubt his credibility.



Here is my 'Photoshopped' picture of my HD A2.

http://www.winglake.com/images/components_current/MarderosianHT001.jpg



Oh...the conspiracies...!:D

I just sold my 360 hddvd drive and bought a ps3. Originally bought the 360 add on week it came out because of all the hddvd raves from the forum below. I was pretty impressed with the picture quality but the audio quality was horrid. I understand there is a patch in the works but I kinda gave up after a couple months for any hope. Just gave up watching hd dvd all together because of the horrible compression issue.

After the universals anouncemnt for the "the Jerk" and "the game", I decided to take my losses and sell the hddvd drive/movies. Whats up with hd dvd releasing all these old movies?? Mummy returns, sting, excalibar and deer hunter???? come on, I can really careless about these old movies on the 2 dollar clearance rack. New releases like brokeback and clerks 2 really don't get my hd tingle going.

I'm really liking the releases of bluray, alot of blockbusters and new releases. I really didn't do too much research when i bought the hddvd but now I have and bluray is clearly the better buy even though it costs more. I went in to hddvd because of the 200dollar price tag and really wasn't worth it, to me atleast. As for the picture/audio quality differences, both seem equal. Both look great. Acutally Crank looks better then King kong to my eyes, as for the audio there is no comparason blu ray just sounds better and more dynamic and volume. I also like the fact that there is no lipsynicing issues I had with the hddvd drive.
The movie selection is just much better to me on bluray and its really nice knowing the releases far out so you know selections will continue pumping out.

I'm not a hd or blu ray fanboy, just someone that has had both and giving my comment. Maybe if someone is in the same situation I was they can learn something from this.

Can't wait for movies like - Layer Cake, New Bond, American psycho, Snatch, Fight Club, Spiderman and Pixar movies


They both have their merits. You're going to miss out on a lot of quality HD DVD content. I'm pro HD DVD, but I own both formats until one emerges a winner, if ever.

I think Plazman and Lagosian are the llargest HD DVD Fan Boys at AVS. Ironically, BOTH these guys claim neutrality in their sigs but are the loudest HD DVD zealots of all if you read their posts (particualrly Lagosian).


At least when I owned both, like those guys I too was obvious as to where my bias lay. In fact, I always posted I wanted Blu Ray to win the war.

Every post, they mock themselves and their credibility. It is sort of funny in a way. The fact that Lagosian's name is in all capitol letters just shouts (no pun intended) 'Let's argue'!

2 out of every 3 threads Lagosian starts have dynamic titles, are entirely PRO-HD DVD and are closed within minutes.Pot meet Kettle.

Hi, Dave. I completely agree with your assesment. To the OP, I'm wondering if it's a little too early to be choosing sides, if you've already tasted HD.

Maybe but the more people that choose Blu-ray, the quicker it'll be over and the sooner we'll move on.

I also had the Xbox add on and was going to be HD-DVD only since it was HD at a low price $159.99 after the Circuit City coupon. I was impressed with the picture quality but was disappointed by the lack of HDMI and the sound issues. The only way I could get 1080p was by hooking it up via VGA and it just didn't look great to me. I did not like the fact that I had a 65 inch Mitsu DLP 1080p that I could only watch 720p or 1080i on. The add on turned into a bad decision so I ended up selling it on eBay bundled with 6 movies. I purchased a PS3 20GB sold my PS2 and the rest is history. I also wanted to add that since I have two kids wherever Disney and Fox choose to release their HD titles I will follow.

I just sold my 360 hddvd drive and bought a ps3. Originally bought the 360 add on week it came out because of all the hddvd raves from the forum below. I was pretty impressed with the picture quality but the audio quality was horrid. I understand there is a patch in the works but I kinda gave up after a couple months for any hope. Just gave up watching hd dvd all together because of the horrible compression issue.

You and me both. I took back my 360 and will take back the drive as soon as I find the receipt. If I replace it, I'll replace it with the Zephyr version that has HDMI. I've also been selling off my HD-DVD software.