The Blu-ray version is currently at #68, while the HD-DVD version is at #45. The combo disc may have something to do with the HD-DVD sales rank.

Wait, the hd-dvd version was a combo? Crappo...I ordered the blu-ray version but I may order the hd-dvd version in the event that my friends want to order it. Was there any other differences?

nope, its because thats the only good release for hddvd for the next couple months and only one to buy for hd owners. While blu ray has multiple releases.

LEt's see where Casino Royale pegs the Amazon rankings for Blu Ray and compare it to the HD DVD rank;).

The Blu-ray version is currently at #68, while the HD-DVD version is at #45. The combo disc may have something to do with the HD-DVD sales rank.

Possibly, but another factor is that there's so many Blu-ray new releases that it's not going to sell as much as the HD DVD one on amazon due to $$$ allocation to other new Blu-ray releases.

I placed an order yesterday, but I had to leave out The Guardian. It came down to Open Season or Guardian. I ordered 5 new films which was already above my budget. I'm sure there are plenty of people who are in my shoes.

LEt's see where Casino Royale pegs the Amazon rankings for Blu Ray and compare it to the HD DVD rank;).

Dude! That was a low blow you did not need to use. :rolleyes:

am i the only person who doesnt care what the rankings are of amazon.com? there are a lot more places out there to buy these movies, at the same price if not cheaper, yet people act like amazon is it......................

am i the only person who doesnt care what the rankings are of amazon.com? there are a lot more places out there to buy these movies, at the same price if not cheaper, yet people act like amazon is it......................

Amazon gives you a good idea what is selling online, but retail is another matter. For example, the last 2 weeks saw Crank decimate everything on amazon, while Gridiron Gang was middle of the pack at best. Yet retail sales show Gridiron Gang outsold Crank.

Where did you pull that gridiron gang out sold Crank? I would like to see that one...

Where did you pull that gridiron gang out sold Crank? I would like to see that one...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=794770

Reports of HD DVDs death have been greatly exaggerated.

You see that when there's a good titles available the HD DVD masses rise to the challenge. I need to place my order soon.

Don't believe the hype. This war is certainly not ending in 2007

Where did you pull that gridiron gang out sold Crank? I would like to see that one...Video Business (http://www.videobusiness.com/index.asp?layout=marketData&content=bluRay)

This war is certainly not ending in 2007Not a problem, it will be 01/01/2008, this will give you plenty of time to dump you HD DVD on fleabay :D

surprised 5th element is on there with everyone universally hating on the transfer.

The Blu-ray version is currently at #68, while the HD-DVD version is at #45. The combo disc may have something to do with the HD-DVD sales rank.


Is Amazon Sales Rank based on dollar volume, or unit volume? I think it's unit volume, so combo would have no bearing on that.

Eric

Not a problem, it will be 01/01/2008, this will give you plenty of time to dump you HD DVD on fleabay :D


Nah....I'd use Craigslist ;)

I'm looking forward to watching this movie. Hope I can convince my woman to watch it with me.

Seems like all of the HD DVD owners are starved for new content; of course all of the sales dollars will be funneled into the few titles being released per month. There is a lot more to choose from on the Blu side of the street.

Is Amazon Sales Rank based on dollar volume, or unit volume? I think it's unit volume, so combo would have no bearing on that.

Eric

I think that people on the fence about the next HD player may go for the Combo disc. They can have the DVD so they can watch it now and HD DVD version if HD DVD somehow wins. Also, I agree with those saying that the better release schedule for Blu-ray and the lack of HD DVD titles are causing the weaker sales number for this movie on Blu-ray.

I've done my part, I preordered it on Blu-ray just this afternoon from Amazon.

LEt's see where Casino Royale pegs the Amazon rankings for Blu Ray and compare it to the HD DVD rank;).

Were you dropped on the head as a child?

Is Amazon Sales Rank based on dollar volume, or unit volume? I think it's unit volume, so combo would have no bearing on that.

Eric

No, he said it was selling better because it has a combo, thus also DVD people are buying it as well, not just hi-def users.

No, he said it was selling better because it has a combo, thus also DVD people are buying it as well, not just hi-def users.

acutally more like there isn't any good new content coming out for hd. What else are you gonna buy for it?? Half baked??? ranked 4500! lol

I don't even have a BD player yet, I have an HD DVD player. But since WB isn't holding back on the audio, I'm pretty sure I'm going to be getting the BD of The Departed.

I dislike combos and I don't want to pay extra for a standard definition version I have no interest in.

Seems like all of the HD DVD owners are starved for new content; of course all of the sales dollars will be funneled into the few titles being released per month. There is a lot more to choose from on the Blu side of the street.

Isn't there supposed to be over 400 HD DVD titles released this year with 100 exclusive to HD DVD? That's not as many as the BD titles that will be released but it's still alot.

LEt's see where Casino Royale pegs the Amazon rankings for Blu Ray and compare it to the HD DVD rank;).
Batman Begins got up to #26. If a brand new big time movie can't get up to that with 1 mil + PS3's in the market, well, I don't think I need to spell it out for you.

well casino royal sd dvd is #1 right now on amazon.

Isn't there supposed to be over 400 HD DVD titles released this year with 100 exclusive to HD DVD? That's not as many as the BD titles that will be released but it's still alot.
yikes... maybe if you tripple count them :-)

The combo disc may have something to do with the HD-DVD sales rank.

I think that people on the fence about the next HD player may go for the Combo disc. They can have the DVD so they can watch it now and HD DVD version if HD DVD somehow wins.

No, he said it was selling better because it has a combo, thus also DVD people are buying it as well, not just hi-def users.

Wow...you guys might want to recheck people's perceptions on these things and jump back into reality ;).

Combos are not improving sales of the HD DVD version. They only anger HD DVD owners (just check the posts about The Departed in the HD DVD section) and 99.9% of SD DVD owners don't care or know about HD DVD. The main thing the combo has accomplished is sending most dual format owners to the BD side due to the cheaper price. If anything the combo has hurt HD DVD sales, not helped it.

am i the only person who doesnt care what the rankings are of amazon.com? there are a lot more places out there to buy these movies, at the same price if not cheaper, yet people act like amazon is it......................

Name them. :D

Please realize that several B&M retailers (Target and Wal-Mart are two) use Amazon.com for their online media and book sales, so the numbers are important.

Wow...you guys might want to recheck people's perceptions on these things and jump back into reality ;).

Combos are not improving sales of the HD DVD version. They only anger HD DVD owners (just check the posts about The Departed in the HD DVD section) and 99.9% of SD DVD owners don't care or know about HD DVD. The main thing the combo has accomplished is sending most dual format owners to the BD side due to the cheaper price. If anything the combo has hurt HD DVD sales, not helped it.

I like how the consumer stance on combos (which I personally dislike for many reasons) is being represented by posts in the HD-DVD forum at AVS. What percentage of HD/Blu-Ray users do you think this forum represents?

Maybe I should shut up.... it very well could be 100%. That's probably why neither side will release sales figures. Then again, Universal seems to still believe that the combo is the way to go. They somehow have missed the discussion in the HD forum (unfortunately).

I can't believe people are still trying to use these Amazon.com sales rankings. This morning, Crank was in the low 500s. Right now, it's 1,112. So... that tells you what, exactly? Clerks II is - at this moment - ranked higher than Crank. So.... what do you do with that? Can someone say that Clerks is outselling Crank at Amazon.com because it's ranked higher right now? Of course not. You can't even correlate any of these numbers to sales volume! It's all relative to how much of everything else is being sold.... which nobody knows. The most you can say is that in the last hour, more people ordered Clerks than Crank. Whoopee. That could be a whole 1 copy for all anyone knows. Crank could have sold 50 copies today to Clerks' 1 and Clerks could have a higher sales ranking if nobody bought a copy of Crank within the last hour.

Combos are not improving sales of the HD DVD version. They only anger HD DVD owners (just check the posts about The Departed in the HD DVD section)


Do you seriously believe that the people on this forum are a representation of the general public? J6P does not have an HD player in the bedroom, minivan, office, nor do all his friends and relatives have them yet. Combos are going to drive the J6P to HD-DVD, and its J6P who makes up the majority of the population.



and 99.9% of SD DVD owners don't care or know about HD DVD


99.9% huh :rolleyes:

The main thing the combo has accomplished is sending most dual format owners to the BD side due to the cheaper price. If anything the combo has hurt HD DVD sales, not helped it

I'd say about 2/3's of the people on the HD-DVD forum don't like the combos, the other 1/3 love them. Of that 2/3's, maybe only a marginal percentage of those will buy the blu-ray version over the combo to show their dislike for them.

Combo's still only cost a few bucks more than blu-ray discs. With a combo, I can sell my SD version for at least $5 on ebay. And I can watch my flick on every DVD player I own.

I love the combos. I don't care if they cost more and I really believe they offer a substantial advantage over the competition as viewed through the eyes of the typical consumer.

yikes... maybe if you tripple count them :-)
so 100x3=100? what kind of education do you have may i ask?

he said 300 and 100 being exclusive thats where universal comes in... but universal said over 100 titles... and then add the warner titles once they catch up with blu ray releases they will start releasing both hd-dvd and blu ray and the other studios also releasing on hd-dvd so 400 titles in teh us doesnt sound far fetched...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=794717


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=794181

Name them. :D

Please realize that several B&M retailers (Target and Wal-Mart are two) use Amazon.com for their online media and book sales, so the numbers are important.

Not sure how that makes the numbers any more important.... You're still talking about online sales and not B&M sales. Plus, you're also still not talking about sales numbers.

And Wal-Mart does not use Amazon.com for media and book sales.

Batman Begins got up to #26. If a brand new big time movie can't get up to that with 1 mil + PS3's in the market, well, I don't think I need to spell it out for you.
It's a sales ranking. Even if it sold 1000 and there were 50 other things that sold 1001 the ranking would be 51. The sales ranking has nothing to do with units sold. You can't determine how many were sold by a sales ranking. The sales ranking is more dependent on how the other titles sell. If the other titles sell better the sales ranking will be lower. The the other titles sell poorly in relation to a specific title then it's ranking will be higher.

This sales rank makes me wonder how HD DVD could ever lose this war.
Blu-ray finally pulls out all the stops, releases millions of PS3's and here we see a common disk offered for $4 cheaper yet it's still lags behind the sales of the HD DVD version.
Unless I'm missing something here, but how the heck can a more expensive disk sell better than the other?

LEt's see where Casino Royale pegs the Amazon rankings for Blu Ray and compare it to the HD DVD rank;).

let's say, there are about 100 BR and 200HD dvd owners...even if Casino royal would be top ranking, the sale could not be better than 100..but when it's about such a title as The Departed ,existing in both formats, what do you expect to see? it would be 200 against 100..that is the most important thing that people should consider but you all don't want to understand...sorry to say but this is reality and the Departed has proved it ;) ...i think that will make producers think twice when they look at such result...at least as from now , BR is cracked :rolleyes
there may be 1 million PS3 sold ( i have a doubt)but a big part bought by HD DVD owners...and we definitely will purchase HD DVD instead ;) admit it!

This is a ridiculous discussion but I can't stay out of it :). I would put this down like this, I as a BD owner have 35 titles to choose from from this week to the release date of The Departed while HD DVD owners have 8 titles to choose from. I for one am not going to pre-order The Departed now wen I have at least 5 titles I want to get before that one, HD DVD owners have a lot less to choose from so they are doing a lot of pre-order. I will be ordering it when it is closer to rel time, but not right now when I have so much to choose from.

You would think that for all the whining about HD DVD combos around here (from supposed 'dual platform' owners) that the Blu Ray version of this tile would be selling like crazy... Not only is it less expensive, but it also has a LPCM audio track that will for the first time make it truly identical quality wise to the HD DVD release.

onyxx- that's an interesting observation. I guess we will just have to wait and see if things change as the release date gets closer.

This sales rank makes me wonder how HD DVD could ever lose this war.
Blu-ray finally pulls out all the stops, releases millions of PS3's and here we see a common disk offered for $4 cheaper yet it's still lags behind the sales of the HD DVD version.
Unless I'm missing something here, but how the heck can a more expensive disk sell better than the other?

Well what else are you gonna order right now? Any other big HD movies you want? All Ive heard from HD owners for 2 months now is we have nothing to order and want to spend our money on something. There was an HD owner in this forum who had preordered the Departed with out ever seeing it. When someone mentioned Leonardo Dicaprio being in it (an actor who he hates) He posted he was now 50/50. The point is when you have HD owners willing to spend there money on a movie that they have never seen and dont know who's in it because there is nothing else to buy then sales are gonna be good for that movie.

well...the two are neck and neck right now

let's say, there are about 100 BR and 200HD dvd owners...even if Casino royal would be top ranking, the sale could not be better than 100

What is the color of the sky in your world?

We all know for a fact that their are at least 5 (blu ray) to 1 (HD DVD) capable players in the US market at the moment.

and Onkyo10 what blu ray player do you own?

The last time I looked at Amazon, we had 3 of the top 10 titles for each format that were common to both formats (including The Departed, Babel and Black Rain). Also, 3 of the top 10 HD DVD exclusives were out of stocks- Slevin, Fearless and Clerks.

So, what I take away is the even at great expense and effort, the BDA is unable to dislodge HD DVD. Just take a look at the hardware rankings, the A2, XA2 and the XA1 are often 1,2,3 in standalone hardware sales as well....

It'll be interesting to what happens when Universal announces dates and Warner and Paramount announce their full slate as well.

Mark, I agree with you in that the data we have so far indicates that the batle really is up hill for BD, not HD DVD. FWIW, HD DVD has done almost nothing in terms of marketing etc. That will happen when Walmarts start getting $200 combo DVD/HD DVD players.

OTOH, Videoscan can come up with numbers that show 2:1 advantage for BD, But even with 40% of the market, HD DVD will have the beach head they need in the short term to start leveraging their long term cost advantages over BD.

Let's see....

The last time I looked at Amazon, we had 3 of the top 10 titles for each format that were common to both formats (including The Departed, Babel and Black Rain). Also, 3 of the top 10 HD DVD exclusives were out of stocks- Slevin, Fearless and Clerks.

So, what I take away is the even at great expense and effort, the BDA is unable to dislodge HD DVD. Just take a look at the hardware rankings, the A2, XA2 and the XA1 are often 1,2,3 in standalone hardware sales as well....

It'll be interesting to what happens when Universal announces dates and Warner and Paramount announce their full slate as well.

Mark, I agree with you in that the data we have so far indicates that the batle really is up hill for BD, not HD DVD. FWIW, HD DVD has done almost nothing in terms of marketing etc. That will happen when Walmarts start getting $200 combo DVD/HD DVD players.

OTOH, Videoscan can come up with numbers that show 2:1 advantage for BD, But even with 40% of the market, HD DVD will have the beach head they need in the short term to start leveraging their long term cost advantages over BD.

Let's see....
good point and The Toshiba HD-XA1 has just won the world's largest entertainment company's prestigious "Product Of The Year Award" for 2006.
http://hd.broadcastnewsroom.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=100209.hd is not dead yet guys br be afraid ha ha ha. ;)

http://hd.broadcastnewsroom.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=100209 .sorry my mistake.

FWIW I just preordered The Departed BD from Amazon last night. Did anyone see a sudden surge? LOL!

non because i preordered my in hd...

Note new catch-all BD sales thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=793744