Yeah, I got stupid and actually bought and watched it. The disc offers a regular version and unrated version in the menu. I choose unrated in hopes a Predator had sex with a Human or somethin', but no.... ;) Is this seamless banching?

In the first half hour of the film, there's a series of onscreen titles, on the left side, that identify the date and locale of the scene. The thing is that the first letter or two on most lines are off the screen, left. The aspect must be too narrow or somethin'...? Somethin' is off......

you got a samsung dlp?? apparntly they have overscan issues.

you got a samsung dlp?? apparntly they have overscan issues.

No, I have a Pioneer 630 CRT RP and I'm using a Panasonic player via HDMI-DVI or I can switch to component. I was using the digital output last night when viewing though.

Overscan, most likely. A front projector, a well designed one that is, will have zero overscan and you can see even the ragged edges on the video transfers of some titles.

Dan

I noticed this last night during my viewing of AVP as well. I thought I had gotten rid of the overscan on my Mits CRT but had to recheck my settings during playback of this disc. Definitely seems like a disc problem as it is not an overscan issue as I was not able to correct it.

Glad someone else noticed it, it had bugged the heck out of me last night.

I noticed this last night during my viewing of AVP as well. I thought I had gotten rid of the overscan on my Mits CRT but had to recheck my settings during playback of this disc. Definitely seems like a disc problem as it is not an overscan issue as I was not able to correct it.

Glad someone else noticed it, it had bugged the heck out of me last night.

Most people are smarter than us and know better than to watch this clunker.... ;) Did you also watch the unrated? I wonder if it matters which version you pick?

I think my TV is set fairly well, enough so, atleast to presume that the overscan was proably software related in all likelyhood.

Nobody's been chatting about his title. We proably got all 2 copies sold...... :)

Most people are smarter than us and know better than to watch this clunker.... ;) Did you also watch the unrated? I wonder if it matters which version you pick?

I think my TV is set fairly well, enough so, atleast to presume that the overscan was proably software related in all likelyhood.

Nobody's been chatting about his title. We proably got all 2 copies sold...... :)

AVP is dumb fun. I'm actually looking forward to the sequel. Yes it was the unrated version I watched. I didn't check the theatrical version at all. There's bound to be at least one more person who bought this disc and will comment soon. ;)

Nobody's been chatting about his title. We proably got all 2 copies sold...... :)

Make it three :) I've just finished watching it in the unrated version.

I'd say that it must be an overscan issue, because I didn't notice anything wrong in the title letterings. I've watched the movie on my 42" Fujitsu plasma at 1080i.

I only noticed a terrible acting problem. Sanaa Lathan.....ugh.

Most people are smarter than us and know better than to watch this clunker.... ;) Did you also watch the unrated? I wonder if it matters which version you pick?

I think my TV is set fairly well, enough so, atleast to presume that the overscan was proably software related in all likelyhood.

Nobody's been chatting about his title. We proably got all 2 copies sold...... :)
Don't feel bad Rachel. Probably 70% of the movies I have bought over the years (Laserdisc, DVD, HD, and Blu-ray), have been because of the picture quality or sound quality reviews. It's sickening when I think about it. Hey, everyone needs new demo material though, right? Even if you're just demo'ing for yourself :D .

Sometimes it is fun to just sit back and enjoy some mindless fun. I finally watched this last night and actually enjoyed it. Should I be embarrassed? The dialog and acting is equally lousy in Aliens and yet that film is held in high esteem.

By the way, this has the most disappointing picture quality of the Blu-ray titles I have watched so far. It was odd that the apparent grain varied from one scene to the next. Some scenes had an acceptable level of film grain and others were awash with it. Maybe it is because I watched the unrated version but it was so frequent that I don't think even the theatrical version could have been consistent.

Sometimes it is fun to just sit back and enjoy some mindless fun. I finally watched this last night and actually enjoyed it. Should I be embarrassed? The dialog and acting is equally lousy in Aliens and yet that film is held in high esteem.


Look man...I only need to know one thing....where..you...are.

The dialog in Aliens should not be compared to AVP. It's not even close dude.

Sometimes it is fun to just sit back and enjoy some mindless fun. I finally watched this last night and actually enjoyed it. Should I be embarrassed? The dialog and acting is equally lousy in Aliens and yet that film is held in high esteem.

By the way, this has the most disappointing picture quality of the Blu-ray titles I have watched so far. It was odd that the apparent grain varied from one scene to the next. Some scenes had an acceptable level of film grain and others were awash with it. Maybe it is because I watched the unrated version but it was so frequent that I don't think even the theatrical version could have been consistent.
What about the audio quality. That's my bag, baby :D (you know, Austin Powers). I care about video, but it's secondary to me. Also, if anyone cares to give an audio review, mention what you are using. PCM or otherwise. Thanks.

The dialog in Aliens should not be compared to AVP. It's not even close dude.

So true. The dialogue in Aliens is infinitely quotable and even iconic... AVP dialogue is forgettable and banal, and that's being nice.

I can't contain myself... don't get me wrong I love Aliens but it is stupid fun. That film is filled with over-the-top acting, silly stereotypes and moronic dialog. Give me a break.

What about the audio quality. That's my bag, baby :D (you know, Austin Powers). I care about video, but it's secondary to me. Also, if anyone cares to give an audio review, mention what you are using. PCM or otherwise. Thanks.


I am the polar opposite. I am all about PQ. Sure audio quality is important too but I can still enjoy adequate mono or stereo sound with a terrific image versus a wall shattering DTS or PCM soundtrack coupled with a muddled picture.

I am the polar opposite. I am all about PQ. Sure audio quality is important too but I can still enjoy adequate mono or stereo sound with a terrific image versus a wall shattering DTS or PCM soundtrack coupled with a muddled picture.
Hi, Aaron. With the coming of HD and BD, I am quickly becoming a videophile convert. Not there yet, though :D .

I can't contain myself... don't get me wrong I love Aliens but it is stupid fun. That film is filled with over-the-top acting, silly stereotypes and moronic dialog. Give me a break.

You love Aliens except for the acting, stereotypes, and dialog? Did you like it when they shot the guns? Or that one part when they were flying in the spaceship?

I can't contain myself... don't get me wrong I love Aliens but it is stupid fun. That film is filled with over-the-top acting, silly stereotypes and moronic dialog. Give me a break.

I think you're thinking of the SNL sketch "Alienses".

You love Aliens except for the acting, stereotypes, and dialog? Did you like it when they shot the guns? Or that one part when they were flying in the spaceship?

Yep

Don't feel bad Rachel.

I didn't till I just found out that my back-up player, my Samdung won't even load Alien Vs. Predator. I wanted to see if it was off to the left with the Samdung too.

I knew how dumb the film was and my mind was on vacation, so, I said, what the heck.... ;)

Anybody sucessfully play the thang on a Samsung?

I just discovered my Samdung won't load any BD's since it's recent firmware "upgrade"..... :mad:

the "grain" you guys are speaking of is actually dirt that is floating around in the air. this was extremely visible in the theaters. don't know why they did it, maybe so the cool laser effects had something to reflect off of? who knows, but that's dirt floating in the air that you are seeing, at least that's my opinion.

thanks
anthony

I just ordered this, since my local bb didnt have it in stock. But im giving a definite DOH! from hearing that there is grain on this BD. Im a grain hater, would rather watch a movie in sd dvd to avoid grain. What is with all these bd's w/ grain, i have 5 bd's and only 1 has no ugly grain, grrrr!

again, its floating dirt that the extra pop that the hd format has that makes it more visible. its there in the sd dvd (i have not seen it personally) but just not as visible. when you get it, watch it and see what you think. i just know what i seen in the theater. but again this is my opinion, and opinions are like a-holes, everyone has one. lol

thanks

I just ordered this, since my local bb didnt have it in stock. But im giving a definite DOH! from hearing that there is grain on this BD. Im a grain hater, would rather watch a movie in sd dvd to avoid grain. What is with all these bd's w/ grain, i have 5 bd's and only 1 has no ugly grain, grrrr!

go away, quickly :(

-Gary

go away, quickly :(

Si senor!!!! Mas velocidad por favor, pronto.... I love grain baked, brewed, and in my movies too. That's the way I like it, uh huh..... :)

Should I be embarrassed? The dialog and acting is equally lousy in Aliens and yet that film is held in high esteem.


Man, I never thought anyone would think AvP and Aliens were similar...

Aliens is genius, AvP is garbage.

Man, I never thought anyone would think AvP and Aliens were similar...

Aliens is genius, AvP is garbage.
i must be one of the few who actually like this movie lol

Look man...I only need to know one thing....where..you...are.

The dialog in Aliens should not be compared to AVP. It's not even close dude.


Shouldn't that be:

Look man...I only need to know one thing....where..they...are.

I have this film and a new Samsung with the latest firmware as well. At first this disc would not load at all, tried it three times. I then looked at the disc uo against the light and saw nothing obvoius, maybe a very very slight smudge that could only be seen at an angle. I believe this was on there from the factory. Anyway, I wiped the disc and sure enough it played fine! I did find this strange because the smudge was so faint that it is hard to believe that this could be the cause.

Overscan or not, Fox goofed on this title as they are suppose to take into account at least 5% overscan on TVs.

The PS3 plays this disc without any problems.

I will agree that it's a silly and lousy movie... but well, it's still an Alien film and it plays very well on Blu-ray. To me, it's one of the early guilty pleasures you should have on BD :)

Shouldn't that be:

Look man...I only need to know one thing....where..they...are.

Indeed, but I was directing it towards the poster. :p

Overscan or not, Fox goofed on this title as they are suppose to take into account at least 5% overscan on TVs.

That's what I think. I'm not having an overscan issue on any ther titles. Otherwise, I'm OK with the disc despite the film being as silly as Aliens and Predator.... ;)

Man, I never thought anyone would think AvP and Aliens were similar...

Aliens is genius, AvP is garbage.

Jim Cameron LOVES AVP!

"JAMES CAMERON: Milking it. So, I stopped work. Then I saw ALIEN VS PREDATOR and it was actually pretty good. (laughs) I think of the 5 ALIEN films, I'd rate it 3rd.

QUINT: Ummm...

JAMES CAMERON: I actually liked it. I actually liked it a lot."
http://aliensvspredator2.filefront.com/news/Aint_It_Cool_News_interviews_James_Cameron;25059

The Samsung has noted overscan problems.

Indeed, but I was directing it towards the poster. :p

Ahhh, makes sense now.

Jim Cameron LOVES AVP!

"JAMES CAMERON: Milking it. So, I stopped work. Then I saw ALIEN VS PREDATOR and it was actually pretty good. (laughs) I think of the 5 ALIEN films, I'd rate it 3rd.

QUINT: Ummm...

JAMES CAMERON: I actually liked it. I actually liked it a lot."
http://aliensvspredator2.filefront.com/news/Aint_It_Cool_News_interviews_James_Cameron;25059


I'd have to agree, Alien3 was just totally totally wrong and Ressurection just took it even further.

That's what I think. I'm not having an overscan issue on any ther titles.

Same here. This is the only BD of 40+ that I've seen which has this incorrect framing/overscan issue.

The Alien franchise actually has some further possibilities, especially if the androids get woven into the story further, but I didn't think the Predator angle worked the way it should have here.

Alien3 took itself too seriously, which is totally wrong for this genre. When you believe too much in the mythology of the cosmology, you end up only with BORING, which plagues a lot of movies - even ones done by people who should know better. Alien3 proves that even supposedly scary movies can make you sleepy.

Movies about space aliens should never be taken too seriously. This is why 2001, 2010, Contact for all that grandiose pedigree is BORING.

It's really all about good escapism fun : which is why I thought Resurrection was pretty good, because it was a fun movie.

The Alien franchise actually has some further possibilities, especially if the androids get woven into the story further, but I didn't think the Predator angle worked the way it should have here.

Alien3 took itself too seriously, which is totally wrong for this genre. When you believe too much in the mythology of the cosmology, you end up only with BORING, which plagues a lot of movies - even ones done by people who should know better. Alien3 proves that even supposedly scary movies can make you sleepy.

Movies about space aliens should never be taken too seriously. This is why 2001, 2010, Contact for all that grandiose pedigree is BORING.

It's really all about good escapism fun : which is why I thought Resurrection was pretty good, because it was a fun movie.

That doesn't really explain why Alien is one of the best films ever made and it took itself very seriously.

As for this overscan issue, there are bigger problems with this BD.

Alien was the first, I don't think Scott took it "too seriously" in the sense that it was not reverence to some ideal of the Alien creature as a socio-political stament on the human psyche or similar nonsense.

Alien was done to present a view of what can happen when you meet the kind of E.T. that wants to eat you instead of calling home. And it worked because it was believable and for those days, it was da*n scary too.

I saw that the BD was dark everywhere, but there are worse dark movies, and there are better ones. I don't think there is significant detail here that stands out. Maybe when the mother-alien was released there was a good shot, but overall, not too exciting.

I would put it as somewhat above average, but not stellar. The trivia popups were ok, but I did not go through the whole movie with the trivia ballons on.

Watched the whole thing with the 1.5X, and it was pretty good when everybody just moved faster and hurried to get eaten.

Did anyone notice when Weyland (Lance Henrickson) is sitting at his desk near the beginning, he takes a pen, and does that thing between his fingers, like android Bishop did with the knife in Aliens?? Maybe a bit of hinting that the Bishop model android was modelled after Weyland, with the same mannerisms. A nice little touch!


Marc.

The "Get away from her you bitch" in Aliens is classic. Love that movie. Fox needs to bring on the quadriliogy...STAT.


Kevin

My panasonic plasma is ISF calibrated and I have at least an inch of space between the first letter of the onscreen descriptions and the left side of the screen...

Did anyone notice when Weyland (Lance Henrickson) is sitting at his desk near the beginning, he takes a pen, and does that thing between his fingers, like android Bishop did with the knife in Aliens?? Maybe a bit of hinting that the Bishop model android was modelled after Weyland, with the same mannerisms. A nice little touch!


Marc.

I noticed that when it came out, there's a few references in the film, I also noticed the satellite at the start looks like the Alien Queen at first.

My panasonic plasma is ISF calibrated and I have at least an inch of space between the first letter of the onscreen descriptions and the left side of the screen...

Do plasmas have the same capacity for overscan around the edges as CRT, or not? My set is a 1080i CRT RP.......BTW.....

I just ordered this, since my local bb didnt have it in stock. But im giving a definite DOH! from hearing that there is grain on this BD. Im a grain hater, would rather watch a movie in sd dvd to avoid grain. What is with all these bd's w/ grain, i have 5 bd's and only 1 has no ugly grain, grrrr!

You'd better stay out of movie theaters too then.

Hey Rachael, yes I had Gregg Loewen adjust the overscan to 3% when doing my calibration. From the factory it was around 5% so I like it much better now.

Hey Rachael, yes I had Gregg Loewen adjust the overscan to 3% when doing my calibration. From the factory it was around 5% so I like it much better now.

I've never had myPio 630 ISF'ed but I cannot recall a DVD, D-VHS, HD-DVD, or BD that brought an overscan issue up. I think Fox cut it too close....? :)

5% is WAY too much.
I have a FP now and I actually prefer zero.

:)

In the first half hour of the film, there's a series of onscreen titles, on the left side, that identify the date and locale of the scene.

This thread is worthless without pics! :D

Anyway, here is a shot of the titles (unrated version) on my 50" plasma:

http://dreamfan.com/img/avp-overscan.jpg

If your TV is cutting off the titles you must have some major overscan as you are missing quite a bit of imagery on both sides. Hope this helps.

holy hell! Is THAT the shot people are complaining about?!?!?
Something is either VERY wrong with their settup or thay have a botched batch of discs out there. That looks MORE than adequate to me even considering overscan!

This thread is worthless without pics! :D

Anyway, here is a shot of the titles (unrated version) on my 50" plasma:

http://dreamfan.com/img/avp-overscan.jpg

If your TV is cutting off the titles you must have some major overscan as you are missing quite a bit of imagery on both sides. Hope this helps.

I wish mine was looking like that! Thanks for the pic. Now, misadjust your set and get that sawed off pic up.... ;)

Maybe I should breakdown and get my set ISF'ed? It's stille got low miles. :)

holy hell! Is THAT the shot people are complaining about?!?!?
Something is either VERY wrong with their settup or thay have a botched batch of discs out there. That looks MORE than adequate to me even considering overscan!

I tend to think like you. Even if I have X% overscan, I've not had a problem with a wide and vast assortment of other media. I'm sure there's nothin' vastly wrong with my set, maybe minor, major I don't think so.

I tend to think like you. Even if I have X% overscan, I've not had a problem with a wide and vast assortment of other media. I'm sure there's nothin' vastly wrong with my set, maybe minor, major I don't think so.

Rachael,

Sorry to say that your Pioneer has overscan that's about 10% maybe even around 12% or so when displaying HD. I know because I have a Pioneer Rear Projection set too and it does the same as yours. Yes, I have had my set ISF calabrated, however to get the overscan to around 3% or so would have been too much for my calabrator. I was told, if lowered to around 3%, there would be risk of small bumping all over the image. It can be lowered, however the workload on the calabrator would have been simply too much.

The Pioneer Elite at that time were one of the best if not the best in it's day. I was upset with the overscan however the Pioneer did many things right compaired to it's compitition.

When the Pioneer Elite displays a 480p signal, the overscan is around 3%. It just gets really bad when showing HD signals. That's why you never noticed it for DVD playback...unless yours can display a DVD at 1080i.

Be sure to check out my post and look at the pictures I posted to show off how bad my overscan is. A few even mention and freak about how bad it is!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=742910&highlight=pioneer+overscan

Be sure to check out my post and look at the pictures I posted to show off how bad my overscan is. A few even mention and freak about how bad it is!

I did! Thanks! :) Judging by those screenshts, I may have slightly less overscan. I think more of those scorebars are on my screen. Maybe I have 8.75%...or is that my intrest rate? ;) I've played alot of HD without hitting a disc or tape to out my set. I'm suprised but glad to know my set's weakness.

Anyone have any major audio drop out problems with this disc? Mine is absolutely horrible. I have an LG BH100. I haven't had any issues with any other disks.

Overscan or not, Fox goofed on this title as they are suppose to take into account at least 5% overscan on TVs.

I don't THINK so. What about the rest of us, then, with flat-panel per-pixel displays? Do we have to put up with black bars around our images or what?

Unless you're referring to what's known as "safe area", where certain information, like those titles, are choked in from the edge of the screen (in which case, you should have said so). In which case, judging by the photo that FooChan posted, they did. Those titles appear to be well inside the standard safe area for a widescreen image. Not Fox's problem.

Shouldn't that be:

Look man...I only need to know one thing....where..they...are.

Why not :

Game over man, GAME OVER!

or

Vasques , have you ever been mistaken for a man?
Vasques : No, you?

LOL! PURE GOLD! :)

This thread is worthless without pics! :D

Anyway, here is a shot of the titles (unrated version) on my 50" plasma:

http://dreamfan.com/img/avp-overscan.jpg

If your TV is cutting off the titles you must have some major overscan as you are missing quite a bit of imagery on both sides. Hope this helps.

Just rechecked this disc on my new DLP and it looks just like that. No writing cutoff at all and in fact room to spare. Clearly my previous TV was screwed up more than I thought.

No framing probs. on my DMP-BD10>DVDO VP-50>Samsung DLP.

I have zero overscan on my Ruby. AvP looks fine.

As for MQ, it's all a matter of taste obviously. Personally, I'm very forgiving and like some mindless entertainment in SciFi films. There's not enough decent, or even semi-decent SciFi as it is. Personally, I liked the Director's Cut of Alien 3. It was a good attempt to return the genre back to it's horror roots and away from an action/comedy movie, ala Aliens. It's biggest problem was that you didn't care about the prisoners, but the clausterphobic element was there.

AvP Spoiler alert....

As for AvP, I like the way that they tied the two storylines together. Not sure how else they could have done it. They were able to place them both in the present, yet not destroy either storyline. It provided a great back-story for Bishop and the Weyland Corp. while also giving us an explanation for why the original Nostromo was diverted -- the Weyland Corp. knew about the existence of Aliens. It also sheds some light on Alien Resurrection and earlier efforts to obtain an Alien. In light of us being prey to the Predators while we're starting to colonize and mine the galaxy, it's not a stretch to think that Weyland and/or corporate/governments wouldn't want to either train Aliens or use their DNA, etc. to defend against the advanced Predators. Add in the interesting idea about the god-like worship and sacrifice for these ancient astronauts and you have a lot more going on than just chest-bursting.

Personally, I appreciated AvP because of these things. I thought Anderson did a great job with the script, cramming all of this, plus the action, into a 108 minutes. I'd love to see any of you come up with something better. Geez.....

I'm looking forward to AvP2.

I liked AVP too, for what it was. Sure things are a bit screwy, or at least unexplained, but for the most part it's fun sci-fi action.

As for AVP2, it will probably suck, but I'll be there opening day. There was a script review on AICN awhile ago, but Fox made them pull it. You can still find it posted on other sites by googling it however.

Essentially it picks up where the last film left off... with the hybrid quickly killing off the predators, causing the ship to fall back into Earth's orbit. It picks up in the woods outside a small, what seems like the pacific northwest town.

The activities of the two groups of beasties is followed by some local townies and culminates in a big showdown in.....wait for it......A SUPER K-MART! :eek:

Apparently the last half hour is full of awesome action, but I just can't picture this movie being very good.

Yeah, probably not as good as the first one since the back-story has already been revealed and there's no Lance Henriksen. That just leaves a lot of fights between the nasties with soft human flesh in the middle. Hey wait a minute....that sounds like fun. ;)

Gotta agree with ya....AVP wasn't bad at all.