Hello knowledgable people of avsforum, i am replacing my x1 and due to extreme high prices in my country i will buy my new PJ from the US when i will get there next week to attend a conference which will last about 5 days.


I have my mind on the HD1000 or HD70 just to be future proof since they both are going under 1000 usd considering the price difference is not an issue the folks in the US seems to favor the HD1000 but it seems like the HD70 is more popular in UK. The warranty is not an issue since it wont be valid in my country which is Turkey which one should i go for, the thing is however i will be mainly watching tv and standartd dvd for at least for sometine untill HDTV hits turkey which is expected to happen in the second half of this year.

I have read somewhere however that watching standart dvd is better on a 480p projector rather then 720p is that realy true is a native 720p projector give a lesser image quality then a native 480p projector. ??

İf that is the case should i go for the in72.

your advices will be highly appreciated since i have a few days to decide
and evenmore if you can point me to a reputable seller which has good prices it could be an online seller i dont mind if they can ship it to my hotel.

kindest regards

Its really a prefference thing as far as 480 on a 720p projector...The 720p unit won't have the screen door effect ..in fact you have to really look hard to see the pixels compared to a 480p unit. DVD will look amzing on a decient upscaling player (my hd70/bravo d1 como blows my old x1 out of the water in every way) If you are going to be feeding a lot of SD material I would recommend the HD70 since the deinterlacer has the SLIGHT advantage over the HD1000u also keep in mind both of these 720p units have a larger offset than the x1 (although not much more than the x1 in 16/9 mode.) HD70 is around 28% and HD1000u is reported closer to 35%...If you have lower ceilings getting one of these to work can be tricky. I would think buying another 480p projector wouldn't really be as much of a step forward, But thats just my opinion...:) the HD1000u is the brightest of them all so if ambient lighting is an issue.... Although the hd70 is no slouch either. They are both much brighter than the x1.
As for the in72 I really don't know enough about it except its pretty impressive for what it is...(one of the best of a dying breed of 480p projectors) As time goes on I think You'll see that just like 480p projectors disappeared from the +$3,000 projector forum they slowly vanish at least for the most part (hasbro and others are making 480p projectors for children now.) from here as well. Of course thier are always those who preffer vinyl records to cd's so who knows?

So you suggest the standartd dvd wont be worst then it was on myx1 when watched on a 720p projector without an upscaling dvd player and if i were to get an upscaling dvd player it might even get better. the thing is however i have a Marantz dv 6500 which is a pretty good dvd player on its own at least it was when i first got it , which however i doubt upscales that means a new dvd player is on the horizon right ?

back to which pj question , well since i wont be having a TV in the living room just a pj and i would like to watch it in some ambient light i guess having high lumens is a good thing so thats a plus for the hd1000 the offset shouldnt be much of a problem either since i am using a 16-9 fixed screen on my wall and i have 8 foot screen so the offset isnt much of an issue either, but the deinterlacer issue is something i take into account not having a dcdi faroudja chip set on the hd70 or the hd1000 is it a big disadvantage?

One last question is doesnt a pj upscales on its own when feeded with a lower resolution ? And does the HD70 have the darkchip 2 or not.

thanks a lot for your feedback again

kindest regards

Of course thier are always those who preffer vinyl records to cd's so who knows?


i do however perfer vinyl to cd's but i guess that wont apply to my tv viewing since a better image is a better image after all :)

i do however perfer vinyl to cd's but i guess that wont apply to my tv viewing since a better image is a better image after all :)

anyone else please :confused:

I have the Optoma and am totally satisfied with it. I watch it in ambient light and have no problem with the brightness. It did have a green tint to the picture when I got it but that took no time to work out messing with the on screen menu. Best Buy stores carry the Optoma and there is a Best Buy in about every town, I'm not sure which retailers carry the Mitsubishi.

Hello knowledgable people of avsforum, i am replacing my x1 and due to extreme high prices in my country i will buy my new PJ from the US when i will get there next week to attend a conference which will last about 5 days.


I have my mind on the HD1000 or HD70 just to be future proof since they both are going under 1000 usd considering the price difference is not an issue the folks in the US seems to favor the HD1000 but it seems like the HD70 is more popular in UK. The warranty is not an issue since it wont be valid in my country which is Turkey which one should i go for, the thing is however i will be mainly watching tv and standartd dvd for at least for sometine untill HDTV hits turkey which is expected to happen in the second half of this year.

I have read somewhere however that watching standart dvd is better on a 480p projector rather then 720p is that realy true is a native 720p projector give a lesser image quality then a native 480p projector. ??

İf that is the case should i go for the in72.

your advices will be highly appreciated since i have a few days to decide
and evenmore if you can point me to a reputable seller which has good prices it could be an online seller i dont mind if they can ship it to my hotel.

kindest regards

If price is super important go IN72. On of these can be had for around $500US.

Between the HD70 and HD1000, I would go for price. I believe the HD1000 can be had for less than the HD70. If price is equal, I prefer the HD1000.

That said, I have a HD1000 and DVDs via a Bravo D1 player over HDMI look fantastic. HD looks better than DVD. You do not need a 480p projector to enjoy DVDs.

-Mike

I believe that dvd's look much much better through my $35 bravo d1 upscaling to 720p than they ever did on my x1 through my HTPC set to either 480p or 720p or my stand alone panasonic progressive dvd player.....even my 480p dvd player looked better than my x1 setup because I could actually enjoy a nice smooth filmlike picture rather than being able to clearly see every pixel (screen door galore) on my x1 and my x1 had a 94" screen I now can enjoy a 108" screen in the same room and it still looks brighter more colorful cleaner and with better contrast...BTW I don't notice any difference between the foroudja in my x1 and the deinterlacer in the HD70....It removes the jaggies just as well. The HD1000u has been reported show some jaggies on interlaced 480i stuff. Yes the hd70 and the 1000u both use the darkchip 2 and again the scaler does scale everything up to 720p but a upscaling dvd player would most likely do a better job.

I believe that dvd's look much much better through my $35 bravo d1 upscaling to 720p than they ever did on my x1 through my HTPC set to either 480p or 720p or my stand alone panasonic progressive dvd player.....even my 480p dvd player looked better than my x1 setup because I could actually enjoy a nice smooth filmlike picture rather than being able to clearly see every pixel (screen door galore) on my x1 and my x1 had a 94" screen I now can enjoy a 108" screen in the same room and it still looks brighter more colorful cleaner and with better contrast...BTW I don't notice any difference between the foroudja in my x1 and the deinterlacer in the HD70....It removes the jaggies just as well. The HD1000u has been reported show some jaggies on interlaced 480i stuff. Yes the hd70 and the 1000u both use the darkchip 2 and again the scaler does scale everything up to 720p but a upscaling dvd player would most likely do a better job.


thanks a lot man you have been very helpfull and thanks to all other participants as well of course now the cheapest upscaling dvd player around here is about 200 usd but i guess i can afford it i wonder if it does upscaling through component other wise i will be needing a 50 feet hdmi cable as well thats another 100 bucks


what i would need now is a place where i can buy it pay it with my credit card or preferably paypal and have it shipped to my cousins hotel in seattle , the guys at projector people asked for a wire transfer and thats a real bugger for me they dont do international credit card or paypal so i need another reputable seller any advice on some shop with good prices who can take care of my needs, otherwise i am gonna be obliged to go and buy over e-bay

Okay, how bout a 360 and 360 HD DVD Drive connected to the HD70? That's all I would be using it for.

And, to answer someone's question earlier, yes, the HD70 has darkchip 2.

hello guys after some reaserch i apparently got 2 quotes i can get the HD70 from ebay with shipping for 843 usd and the mits for 895 from a website both inclued shipping i kinda lean towards the optoma but a little worried about the ebay issue eventhough the seller is a powerseller actually i did loose the auction but i got a message saying that i had a second chance offer and i could buy it at 843 + 40 shipping but i have limited time to close the deal.

i will be watching standart tv as well on it, so the deinterlace is somewhat important and optoma seems to be better on that but projectorcentral kinda favors the mits over the HD70 saying that the lens is better the built is better and i really wanna buy the best of 2 the optoma is selling in turkey but the mits is very difficult to find i guess the warranty in either of them will not be valid in my country still if something goes wrong i guess ican thake the hd 70 to repair but that would be more difficult with the mits

so whats your final verdict

Costco.com with a 92" screen

Costco.com with a 92" screen
since a friend is actuall going to bring to be abroad the screen thing doesnt quite well work out with me for the moment

;) ;)

since a friend is actuall going to bring to be abroad the screen thing doesnt quite well work out with me for the moment

;) ;)
what i meant was that i am going to have it delivered to a friend living in seattle which will bring it to me in turkey and i sincerely cant ask him the take a screen as well

I have my mind on the HD1000 or HD70 just to be future proof since they both are going under 1000 usd ......




How is this future proof by buying a 720P projector?

Second, uh.. I wouldn't buy a projector off of Ebay that close to a retail price..


My nickel

thanks a lot man you have been very helpfull and thanks to all other participants as well of course now the cheapest upscaling dvd player around here is about 200 usd but i guess i can afford it i wonder if it does upscaling through component other wise i will be needing a 50 feet hdmi cable as well thats another 100 bucks


what i would need now is a place where i can buy it pay it with my credit card or preferably paypal and have it shipped to my cousins hotel in seattle , the guys at projector people asked for a wire transfer and thats a real bugger for me they dont do international credit card or paypal so i need another reputable seller any advice on some shop with good prices who can take care of my needs, otherwise i am gonna be obliged to go and buy over e-bay

'50 hdmi cables can be found for cheaper than 100bux, check out the prices over
@ Monoprice.com, also save a few more bux off their already low price if u buy from them over e-bay. I got an hdmi '25 from them for peanuts, their prices will not be beat anywhere and the quality build on these cables is fantastic!!! :)

How is this future proof by buying a 720P projector?

Second, uh.. I wouldn't buy a projector off of Ebay that close to a retail price..


My nickel

of course i was not talking about the full HD future, considering that hd tv will start broadcasting pnly within 6 months in turkey thats as high of a defintion i am going to get i have a nice standartd dvd collection as well with an upscalind dvd player i might apparently get even better images on my dvd as well compared to my old but nice marantz dvd player and my not so nice anymore x1 , guys we do fallow from way behind on entertainment technology keep that in mind you guys are lucky, and i think it is still early for HD dvd or Blue Ray,
the 720p is as high of a definition i will be able to watch for at least a year or 2

'50 hdmi cables can be found for cheaper than 100bux, check out the prices over
@ Monoprice.com, also save a few more bux off their already low price if u buy from them over e-bay. I got an hdmi '25 from them for peanuts, their prices will not be beat anywhere and the quality build on these cables is fantastic!!! :)
cant find them on ebay could you send a link please

i think i am going for the hd1000u guys it apparently is supposed to be a better out of the box pj as well and i really am not much of a tweaker

Comparing a 720p Sony HS51 and a 480p In72, more pixels mean smoother and sharper pictures. However, the Sony was $2,500 when new 2 years ago while the IN72 is <$500, so there goes the law of diminishing return. A new HS51 is probably about $1,100.

Knowing what I know now, I would still go for a 720p, while I do use the IN72 for presentation since it's brighter than the LCD.

Good luck.

I don't have either, but am interested in what you end up with. I'm thinking of getting a projector for my father-in-law in Izmir and wonder what would work best for him. I don't think any programing is available in Turkey in high definition (including satellite) and everything there is in PAL instead of NTSC unless you have NTSC DVDs and a NTSC DVD player. Best of luck in you purchase.