View Full Version : What is the best upconverting player for the Mits HD1000U?


Billbofet
01-28-07, 03:19 PM
Just got my projector in the mail, but it will be a few weeks before I am able to hook it up.

In the meantime, I'm wondering if I am going to need a new upconverting player. For the past three years, I've had the LG DVB318 and have been very happy, but I'm not sure if this is a good fit for the HD1000. The 318 converts to 1080i beautifully over compenent, but I don't think 720p is anything special on it.

Just wondering if anyone's had any experience with the DVB318 on this projector.

Also, I was trying to track down a Bravo D1 since I read good things about it, but it's almost impossible to find.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Bill

CMRA
01-28-07, 03:27 PM
Just got my projector in the mail, but it will be a few weeks before I am able to hook it up.

In the meantime, I'm wondering if I am going to need a new upconverting player. For the past three years, I've had the LG DVB318 and have been very happy, but I'm not sure if this is a good fit for the HD1000. The 318 converts to 1080i beautifully over compenent, but I don't think 720p is anything special on it.

Just wondering if anyone's had any experience with the DVB318 on this projector.

Also, I was trying to track down a Bravo D1 since I read good things about it, but it's almost impossible to find.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Bill

The best way to know is to open the box and find out. The meter is running.

Billbofet
01-28-07, 03:45 PM
I really wish I could, but my basement is being refinished and is a mess right now.

I'm going to fire up the projector and make sure it works okay, but I won't be able to get an honest look at the DVB318 on it until it's in the home I'm building for it.

Huey
01-28-07, 09:58 PM
DVB-318 works great for 1080i component as 720p component has YC delays and not as sharp. You should use "REAL" mode on HD1000u component input to completely fill the screen as the "16:9" mode (which is really the native mode) shows the smaller image inside the 16:9 panel. Some purist would say leave it on "16:9" mode for a sharper picture but "REAL" mode is just as sharp in my opinion and fill the entire screen.

With above said, 720p via HDMI is better due to true native resolution on "16:9" mode via HDMI input on HD1000u. DVD players like Oppo 970HD (or even better 971 or 981) at 720p HDMI should look even better. I use Bravo D1 at 1280X720X60 custom resolution and love it. Very close 2nd is Samsung HD941 (DCDi or Faroudja deinterlacer similar to Oppo 971 with Zoran MPEG decoder--Oppo uses Mediatek which is a better MPEG decoder so should have slight improvement in PQ) at 720p HDMI. 3rd but still very good is Panny S52S via 720p HDMI or HTPC at 1280X720X60 Hz (Radeon 9800 Pro, Dscaler codecs, FFDSHOW 2X resize/Bicubic/Unsharpen/3dDenoise, VMR 9 renderless), 4th is 720p HDMI by other Zoran single-chip players like Zenith DVB612, Samsung HD755, etc.

I would rank the DVB-318 with the 3rd place finisher as it does beat out the 4th place finishers in my book.

Jim McC
01-28-07, 10:16 PM
Huey, I disagree with you 100% on the Pan. S52 at 720p with HDMI. I bought it to use with my HD1000 and it looked bad, very grainy. I also tried it at 1080i and it was just as bad. And yes, I went thru all the settings first and calibrated it. My Philips Q50 with Faroudja at 480p looks much better. I'm waiting until the real thing drops in price enough.

cnickersonjr
01-28-07, 10:23 PM
I like the HD-A1 from Toshiba. You also get HD-DVD as an added bonus! You can find an A1 online for a little over $300. I just purchased an HD-XA1 for 399 @ *********************. It will be here on the 1st of Feb. Can't wait to see how this looks on the HD1000. Should be a treat :D

Jim McC
01-28-07, 11:56 PM
The number of models Toshiba has out is getting ridiculous. What's the difference between the HD-XA1 and the HD-A2?

thaxx
01-29-07, 12:04 AM
The number of models Toshiba has out is getting ridiculous. What's the difference between the HD-XA1 and the HD-A2?

$100.00 :D

notlad
01-29-07, 12:50 AM
The number of models Toshiba has out is getting ridiculous. What's the difference between the HD-XA1 and the HD-A2?

Someone else can answer this in depth but I do know that the "2" models are 2nd generation and much improved according to the reviews I have read.

The boot up time to read a disc in the first generation is over a minute!!!! The second ones have the same or better quality with some of the bugs worked out (again according to reviews).

I just checked ebay and there is less than $75.00 difference it seems in buying the old first gen HD A1's vs. the new HD A2. For my money I think that would be seventy five bucks well spent.

Of course if you think you might be upgrading to a 1080p projector anytime soon you might want to wait until this spring when the HD A20 comes out. In addition to 720p & 1081i output it outputs 1080p like the Blu Ray HD players do. It will list for $599.

As bad as I want one of these I am trying to hold out until summer. I bet by then I will be able to get the new HD A20 for around $395 for a reputable online dealer.

DodgeV83
01-29-07, 01:04 AM
1080p is a gimmick if its not 1080p/24. The resulting image is 100% equal between 1080i and 1080p on a 1080p TV

Sneaky
03-15-07, 08:40 PM
Was this question ever answered? I was about to get an OPPO 981 until heard that there's an issue with DLP and macroblocking. They said if you had DLP you should go with the 970 instead. Is this true and is there anyone using the 981 on this projector? If so do you have any issues?

Currently, I have an older Panny RP91 that I'm using and the picture looks great. It has the old genesis chip in it but it still performs well over component video. I'm wondering if I will see a major improvement using the OPPO vs. the RP91?

Thanks
BK

littleleapingfox
03-15-07, 10:42 PM
if you ask oppo they will give you a stock answer to go with the 981 for screens over 50 inches. that being said

I've been using the oppo 981 and the hd1000u together for the past 2 months and i'm happy with my decision.

I've never noticed any macroblocking although i'm not a videophile compared to some people on this board, I certainly am compared to any of my friends and they certainly wouldn't notice anything.

Although full hd would be nice i'm still holding onto my dvd's a little too closely and to start trading them in, and although i havn't compared the oppo to any other upconverting players I stand by my decision

rutlian
03-16-07, 03:31 AM
hd-a2

cnickersonjr
03-16-07, 04:11 AM
I like the HD-A1 from Toshiba. You also get HD-DVD as an added bonus! You can find an A1 online for a little over $300. I just purchased an HD-XA1 for 399 @ *********************. It will be here on the 1st of Feb. Can't wait to see how this looks on the HD1000. Should be a treat :D
Got the XA1 but no HD1000U. Had to push it back. MONEY
But the XA1's ability to upconvert DVD's over HDMI is amazing. I watched "The Lost Boys" looked great.

whitemist
03-16-07, 08:09 AM
I would like to read more about this as well - I am getting the HU1000 and want to make sure I get the best "fit" in a dvd player for my old dvd's and I want to connect thru HDMI, so if anyone else has an opinion on this I would dearly love to read it !

Y2KFirehawk
03-16-07, 09:07 AM
I have an OPPO DV971H connected to my HD1000U via HDMI outputting at 720p and looks great to me!!

StormyQ
03-16-07, 10:38 AM
if you ask oppo they will give you a stock answer to go with the 981 for screens over 50 inches.Maybe it depends on who responds because they recommended the 971 when I emailed them (and this was after the 981 was out).
Here is their comparison chart if anyone is interested -- Oppo (http://www.oppodigital.com/opdv971h_compare.html)

Ericbres
03-16-07, 10:54 AM
Maybe it depends on who responds because they recommended the 971 when I emailed them (and this was after the 981 was out).
Here is their comparison chart if anyone is interested -- Oppo (http://www.oppodigital.com/opdv971h_compare.html)

That's odd ... the 971 hasn't been shipping for months.

StormyQ
03-16-07, 11:03 AM
That's odd ... the 971 hasn't been shipping for months.You're right but I didn't say I just bought it either. My 971 was purchased in December shortly after the 981 hit the market.

Starbuck
03-16-07, 11:07 AM
I emailed Oppo with the same question within the last two weeks. They said the 981 was the best match. The DLP warning was only for RPTV's, not projectors according to them.

marjen
03-16-07, 11:16 AM
I just ordered the OPPO 981 and hope it works out. SInce moving to the Mits I am very unhappy with with SD DVD playerback. I have a Panasonic RP-56 and XBOX 360 with HD_DVD add on and both look really bad with the Mits. I am hoping the OPPO improves things or I may actually sell the mits and pick up an IN72 for the next year or so and return the xbox drive. There is not enough content on HD yet. Most movies I want to see are SD DVD only, or blue ray. HD content looks great on the Mits as does XBOX 360 gaming, but SD material is really lacking.

Y2KFirehawk
03-16-07, 11:24 AM
... and XBOX 360 with HD_DVD add on and both look really bad with the Mits. ...
The HD-DVD add-on looks bad on the HD1000U?? Perhaps a bad configuration or you don't have the resolution of the 360 setup properly? How is the 360 connected to the HD1000U?

marjen
03-16-07, 11:27 AM
The HD addon with SD DVDs. With HD DVDs it looks great. I have it hooked up via component. I have tried both 1080i and 720p setting from 360. Both look the same.

Y2KFirehawk
03-16-07, 11:31 AM
The HD addon with SD DVDs. With HD DVDs it looks great. I have it hooked up via component. I have tried both 1080i and 720p setting from 360. Both look the same.

When the 360 plays normal DVD movies you will notice in the menu for the HD1000U that the resolution is 480p, it will not upconvert SD-DVD's.

marjen
03-16-07, 12:34 PM
II understand that. I am just not happy with the performance of SD DVDs with the projector. DVDs looked better through both players with my infocus 4805. I did order the OPPO so I am hoping a good up converting player will make things better.

Starbuck
03-16-07, 12:36 PM
Clarification, the 360 HD-DVD will upconvert SD DVD's via VGA. But the Mits supposedly has a poor VGA input (at least that's what I have read, no chance to test in person yet).

Also, please post your observations regarding the 981 with the HD1000U, I'm in the opposite situation... I have a 981 and am looking to purchase the HD1000U, unless something better comes along. Thanks.

nightfly13
03-16-07, 12:42 PM
FWIW I use the A2 but I and many others found that the 1080i output from the A2 is actually preferable to the 720p - the HD1000u does an awesome job downscaling/deinterlacing 1080i so your existing DVD player isn't automatically a poor choice - as much as I'd like to encourage you to start supporting HD-DVD :)

Ikari Warrior
03-16-07, 01:57 PM
Yeah, the A1 (or A2) does a terrific job over 1080i.

Panoppolite
03-16-07, 07:51 PM
1080p is a gimmick if its not 1080p/24. The resulting image is 100% equal between 1080i and 1080p on a 1080p TV

Good Posting! I agree with that. Digital projectors do not "scan" like a cathode ray tube. The data that controls the projected light is being changed 60 times a second. The light beam is being altered without interruption of the beam of light. There are changes occuring but at 60 screen changes a second, you cannot detect the changes anymore than you can see an incandescent 60 cycle light bulb blink.

1280X720 native projectors for the most part are 1080i capable and a few will even accept 1080P signals (the Panny AX100U for example). If the projector can only project 921,600 pixels, why can I reduce my distance to the screen so dramatically when in 1080i mode and why does a close up of the screen look like there's a gazillion little pixels. Its what the SMPTE realized back in the late 40's...that an interlaced signal can produce a better picture than the equipment is NATIVELY capable of producing. 720P projected at 1080i rules!

Panoppolite
03-16-07, 08:08 PM
The number of models Toshiba has out is getting ridiculous. What's the difference between the HD-XA1 and the HD-A2?

Toshiba is likely to win the format war. They were unquestionably Sony's biggest competitor in mainstream television and they are likely to fight hard for that spot again. Sony may have great technology but if the masses find the price too steep then market forces drive to a different standard. That is why Sony is now coming out with another offering at half the money. Toshiba is clever with its strategy too and keeps coming out with an even cheaper model.

As the war rages, the consumers will win. Maybe Microsoft has the right idea and we should shun DVI and HDMI because of copy protection and stick with component inputs instead. That would shake a few empires. We're all budding little copyright felons plotting to steal THEIR money, doncha know. :rolleyes:

Get a solid upconverter and a computer set up for video and you can enjoy SD DVD's while the format war rages on. :D

Panoppolite
03-16-07, 09:04 PM
In keeping with the topical question put forth, I have an OPPO 971H. It was very, very good from the start. I downloaded the latest firmware upgrade from OPPO's website two weeks ago and its even better now. What few quirks the OPPO had are either gone or improved.

I can dim the lights on it or make them go out entirely. It has digital audio compression that you set in its menues...a powerful and rare feature...very helpful in Cinema with bass and sub-bass passages laid down for emotional effect that would reign out of control without compression to steady the volume. Very impressive, clean, shake the room sound possible. It isn't the 1992 receiver or the 1995 speakers...its the massaged signal they are getting.

The OPPO also allows you to modify the aspect ratio of the video signal sent to the projector. You can either decrease the size or increase the size as you wish. It has soundfields and EQ curves that can be pretty interesting when you try different combinations. There is something there for the audiophile, the movie buff, bass lovers, and the elderly with sensitive hearing aids in the high frequencies.

I have Sony's MDR-V6 headphones...they are outstanding, but I'd rather watch a movie with the speakers because the OPPO has tweaks that make them sound so grand in Cinema.

All of the main video tweaks and audio tweaks can be controlled and set inside the OPPO so you can leave your projector and receiver set to another input you use. Brightness, contrast, sharpness, color, etc. Adjust sound volume channel by channel in digital. Adjust delay in 5 ms increments to the rear speakers...make your room sound likes its 50 feet long if you want! The on-screen menues inside the OPPO are more complex than the main menues inside the AE900U.

Optical output and digital RCA coax output, in addition to analog outputs for each channel.
Gold plated. Component , s-vhs, composite outputs. DVI for upconversion (they keep the upconversion in digital which is why it works so well with digital projectors) and they provide a 6 ft DVI to DVI cable as well as a 6 ft DVI to HDMI cable with the player.

And...the remote glows in the dark...without batteries. They provide batteries too.

rchcah
03-16-07, 09:49 PM
Hi All,
Ive been using the Tosh XA2 w/the HD1000U and think its a great combo. The upconversion is first rate. I actually spent more for the Tosh than the Mits! Just my 2-cents...

Regards,
Ricky

Joe_Black
03-16-07, 10:04 PM
I'm using a Toshiba HD-A2 right now and upscale all my SDVD's to 1080i into the HD1000U and it looks terrific. Eventually I'll get an XA2 for my theater, as soon I decide on a 1080p projector and move the A2 to the family room plasma.

IMHO, if you're into watching HD-DVD movies, either the Tosh A2 or XA2 make the most sense since it'll play both HD DVD and do a great job scalling SDVD. If you don't need an HD DVD player than the Oppo981 is the next best choice for it's price.