-> http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Technical_Glitches/Blu-ray_Gets_Put_to_the_Test_with_Fan-Made_Torture_Video/450

What a dickhead.Unless he views the entire movie after each time the disc is abused he has not really proved enything (other than he is bit of a er dickhead).

Someone dig up CES 2006 & the ridgeracer Youtube, now that was funny :)

Although it would be interesting and certainly I would give more credit to Blu-ray if the discs could take a beating like this but I agree with the above, the movie starting up means nothing at all whether the movie will run all the way through without any problems needs to be proven!

I could do the same to a DVD or HD disc but unless the area on the disc scratched happens to be the opening scene this test proves very little at all excepts bosters more mis-information

Although it would be interesting and certainly I would give more credit to Blu-ray if the discs could take a beating like this but I agree with the above, the movie starting up means nothing at all whether the movie will run all the way through without any problems needs to be proven!

I could do the same to a DVD or HD disc but unless the area on the disc scratched happens to be the opening scene this test proves very little at all excepts bosters more mis-information

You are certainly right about that... Not exactly a scientific test method by any means :D

The coating on the BR discs is definitely better than what is on HD, but I've still seen BR decks skip on nothing but a fingerprint on the disc.

Well it still doesen't keep em from cracking :)

I don't know that I buy this video. If you look at the way he holds the steel wool and pen, it almost looks as if he is holding the up away from the surface of the disc. He definately doesn't appear to be applying any pressure. If nothing else, he seems to stay closer to the center of the disc in both cases. I thought discs start at the outside edges and work in, so until the outside edge is damaged, a movie will still play.

During the knife test, you can see dozens of scratches on the hard coat. I think more than what happened from just the few knife scrathes he made. So it looks like all torture methods must have made a least a few scratches in the hardcoat, which raises the question of just how scratch resistant is it?

that is so lame. If he really tried to do damage, it would have been done.

Now if his play station still works after the steel wool residue he dumped into it he will be fine. The odd way he was holding the steel wool is likely from the fact that he wouldn't let go of his dick long enough to use two hands.

Art

I didn't view the video, but the text said that the hard coating is made by TDK and I believe I've read that they ended up not using that coating in favor of something else.

There should be plenty of extra "Talladega Nights" discs out there if other people want to try similar tests.

--Darin

Funny how they people making negative comments here are all HD-DVD supporters.

Any BD owner is welcome here to confirm the experiment.

Funny how they people making negative comments here are all HD-DVD supporters.

I presume you had something more constructive to add to the debate, rather than that useless attack. Please dispute any post you think was inaccurate or out of line.

I think the video shown was not conclusive proof that the disc was completely glitch free after the abuse it took. The fact that the movie started does not prove that other parts of the disc were not rendered unplayable from the scratches.

The whole BD having superior protection has always been humorous to me.

I have about 1000 SD DVDs and I have not put a scratch on a single one. In fact, I go out of my way not to put scratches on them. If you have any sense you'd treat your discs properly and not worry whether one could survive a vigorous scrubbing with steel wool.

Reminds me of those stupid commercials that Master Lock used to run where they shot a hole in the center of a padlock to supposedly show how strong their locks were. :rolleyes:

LOL What moron is going to treat their disks like this to begin with..... yikes.

He should of done side by side test on HD DVD and Blu ray DVD. Disk that wins will win the format war. :D

I just suffered through a very scratched up copy of "You me and Dupree" on HD DVD over the weekend. It was scratched so badly I was sure it wouldn't play. So I checked part of every scene (except the first one) and was very surprised that it seemed to play ok.

But when the wife and I actually sat down to watch it, the first scene would not play at all! So we flipped it over and watched the first scene in SD. (I finally found a good use for 'combo' discs).

Then I flipped it again back to the HD side and suffered through 3 more rough spots.

The point to all this rambling is that it's hard to tell what kind of scratch will make the player go all monkey sh**. My rented copy of "Chronos" was scratched up real bad but it played flawlessly. The rented copy of "Phantom of the Opera" had one long visible ditch that ran from the center out to the edge. But it only caused a problem at three points during the movie.

It is quite conceivable that steel wool does not present the kind of damage that disturbs the laser's ability to see the data.

-Byrd

That steel wool must have been a "Brillo" pad. They are blue.

Now if his play station still works after the steel wool residue he dumped into it he will be fine. The odd way he was holding the steel wool is likely from the fact that he wouldn't let go of his dick long enough to use two hands.

Art


LOL...LMFO :D :D - beautiful.

Now if his play station still works after the steel wool residue he dumped into it he will be fine. The odd way he was holding the steel wool is likely from the fact that he wouldn't let go of his dick long enough to use two hands.

Art

Ahhh, could he have been holding the camera?

The whole BD having superior protection has always been humorous to me.

I have about 1000 SD DVDs and I have not put a scratch on a single one. In fact, I go out of my way not to put scratches on them. If you have any sense you'd treat your discs properly and not worry whether one could survive a vigorous scrubbing with steel wool.

Reminds me of those stupid commercials that Master Lock used to run where they shot a hole in the center of a padlock to supposedly show how strong their locks were. :rolleyes:

Some people rent.

LOL, that video was funny.. Sadly enough the movie was about as funny.. No lose...

Finally someone put that sub-par transfer to good use :D

Funny how they people making negative comments here are all HD-DVD supporters.
I'm not an HDDVD supporter...I love high quality HD. That guy though didn't prove much by that well designed experiment.

Art

I don't know that I buy this video. If you look at the way he holds the steel wool and pen, it almost looks as if he is holding the up away from the surface of the disc. He definately doesn't appear to be applying any pressure. If nothing else, he seems to stay closer to the center of the disc in both cases. I thought discs start at the outside edges and work in, so until the outside edge is damaged, a movie will still play.

Optical discs are being read from the inside. LPs are read from the outside.

While his test fell short of proving flawless playback , I do believe the hardcoating that BDs have would indeed stand up better in any test versus a CD, DVD, or HD DVD. I have yet to see a scratched BD and I've rented several of them from Netflix. Worst I've seen is a few fingerprints and never have I had a playback problem with any disc on my PS3.

I have yet to see a scratched BD and I've rented several of them from Netflix.

They can't be scratched if no one uses them. :D

Some people rent.

I've rented about 40 HD DVDs and only had one playback issue. That disc looked like someone skated across asphalt on it so I was actually impressed since the disc only hung up in one spot.

They can't be scratched if no one uses them. :D

That's pretty good.


I'm glad to hear about your, personal success.

From what I've read, you appear to be one of the lucky ones.

Now go out and buy a lottery ticket! I wan't half! :D

Now if his play station still works after the steel wool residue he dumped into it he will be fine. The odd way he was holding the steel wool is likely from the fact that he wouldn't let go of his dick long enough to use two hands.

Art

Did this guy not have any friends he could ask to hold the camera for him?

They can't be scratched if no one uses them. :D

:rolleyes: Another useless comment from the fanboy club.

Did this guy not have any friends he could ask to hold the camera for him?

People probably don't want to hang with a guy who, apparently has Art watching him hold his dick while he performs experiments.

;)

c'mon, it's funny.

when the disc slides around with the motion of the "steel wool", clearly force isn't being applied to the surface of the disc, its being applied to move the disc around. You need strong normal forces to pin the disc down before force translates into scratching. Same with the pen which was lacksidasically stroked across the disc. he wasn't trying to "fatally" scratch the disc until the absurd "knife test" comes about.

c'mon, it's funny.

Hey, we agree on something. I thought awmurray's comment was pretty good too.

P.S. Shinco Rules!

:D

(insider)

L O L ! :D

Nintendo Rules!

Cheers!

Of course High Def Digest posts this garbage, even if it makes them look like complete fools in the process. Remember the "CES: No New HD DVD Announcements from Universal" story they ran that worked up so many people around here? The one with the cover photo of the frumpy looking guy pulling out his empty pockets?

High Def Digest has gone Batshit Blu.

BTW Art, I lol'd :)

While his test fell short of proving flawless playback , I do believe the hardcoating that BDs have would indeed stand up better in any test versus a CD, DVD, or HD DVD. I have yet to see a scratched BD and I've rented several of them from Netflix. Worst I've seen is a few fingerprints and never have I had a playback problem with any disc on my PS3.



it doesn't matter when you use DVD/CD condoms.. You can get them at BB or CC..

The coating on the BR discs is definitely better than what is on HD, but I've still seen BR decks skip on nothing but a fingerprint on the disc.

I thought the BD discs could not have a defect? You never hear the BD group complaining about their players or their movies? Do you? They must be error free?

I treat my DVD's like my babies, I would NEVER put my discs through a torture test...that's nuts!

Don't you ever try this with a HD-DVD!
Thought never occurred to me but thanks for the great advice!

:rolleyes: Another useless comment from the fanboy club.

Huh?

I thought the whole thread was useless. Unless you want step-by-step advice on how to scrub your discs with power sanders.

Optical discs are being read from the inside. LPs are read from the outside.

Well, let me rephrase, is the movie always read from the inside out? Or is it dependent on authoring? I don't know alot about disc authoring, but I was under the impression that at least with DVD's (maybe BD works differently), that multi-layer movies use Opposite Track Path. This means discs will read from the inside out, and after the layer change, outside back in. This is how you get a seamless layer change. Even with single layer discs, are the menus always at the hub of the disc, or can they be at the edges if the movie starts at the center of the hub?

With dual layer discs, the question becomes what is on Layer 0 and on Layer 1? If the menu and extras are on layer 0 and the movie on Layer 1, then the movie would start on the outside edge of the disc and work in. If it is the opposite, then the menu could start on the outer edge of the disc and jump to the inner hub to start the film. Or are discs always authored so that you have the menu and beginning of the movie on layer 0 and the rest of the movie and extras on layer 1, meaning menu and movie starts will be toward the center hub?

My impression has been that all three methods can be employed. Discs that have both widescreen and full frame versions on a non-flipper DL disc, will usually have one version of the film on each layer, which means one will start from the center, and the other will start from the outer edge. There are many different scenarios with many possibilities. Am I off base? Is BD authored in a drastically different manner than DVD?

People probably don't want to hang with a guy who, apparently has Art watching him hold his dick while he performs experiments.

;)

True ! :D

Art

Well, let me rephrase, is the movie always read from the inside out? Or is it dependent on authoring? I don't know alot about disc authoring, but I was under the impression that at least with DVD's (maybe BD works differently), that multi-layer movies use Opposite Track Path. This means discs will read from the inside out, and after the layer change, outside back in. This is how you get a seamless layer change. Even with single layer discs, are the menus always at the hub of the disc, or can they be at the edges if the movie starts at the center of the hub?

With dual layer discs, the question becomes what is on Layer 0 and on Layer 1? If the menu and extras are on layer 0 and the movie on Layer 1, then the movie would start on the outside edge of the disc and work in. If it is the opposite, then the menu could start on the outer edge of the disc and jump to the inner hub to start the film. Or are discs always authored so that you have the menu and beginning of the movie on layer 0 and the rest of the movie and extras on layer 1, meaning menu and movie starts will be toward the center hub?

My impression has been that all three methods can be employed. Discs that have both widescreen and full frame versions on a non-flipper DL disc, will usually have one version of the film on each layer, which means one will start from the center, and the other will start from the outer edge. There are many different scenarios with many possibilities. Am I off base? Is BD authored in a drastically different manner than DVD?

you are correct, on RSDL it reads from the inside going to the outside, change layer and move back to the inside; on WS/PS both sides goes from inside to outside. However, movies don't necessarilly have to start at the centre of the hub, depending on the structure.