Any thoughts on how to get studio's to go neutral ??
I signed the petitions ....
Would be interesting to know what the studio's are doing and when .
Would be great if the Studio's knew what they are going to do !!
Most likely they will be neutral like VHS/Beta .

Just say no to blu-ray . Just for the fact 1000.00 bucks buys a lot of hd-dvd movies.
When available ........................

Bob

Any thoughts on how to get studio's to go neutral ??
I signed the petitions ....
Would be interesting to know what the studio's are doing and when .
Would be great if the Studio's knew what they are going to do !!
Most likely they will be neutral like VHS/Beta .

Just say no to blu-ray . Just for the fact 1000.00 bucks buys a lot of hd-dvd movies.
When available ........................

Bob


To answer your question on, "What can [you] do to get more content ??" I suggest the easiest way is to go buy a PS3 and begin your BD collection. Guaranteed way to get more content and quickly, too. Just be sure you have enough room for all those new discs! :D

New content is pointless when they're charging BR prices and then some for the pleasure.

New content is pointless when they're charging BR prices and then some for the pleasure.

Bingo.

I don't care how many Fox titles are Blu-ray only. So long as I have to pay a starting price of $500 to watch them, Fox isn't getting a dime from me on Blu-ray sales.

To answer your question on, "What can [you] do to get more content ??" I suggest the easiest way is to go buy a PS3 and begin your BD collection. Guaranteed way to get more content and quickly, too. Just be sure you have enough room for all those new discs! :D
There isn't enough decent movies out/coming out BR to warrant buying a George Forman Grill look-a-like.
Knock out the fat! :)
If you want more content, buy some DVDs.
J

To answer your question on, "What can [you] do to get more content ??" I suggest the easiest way is to go buy a PS3 and begin your BD collection. Guaranteed way to get more content and quickly, too. Just be sure you have enough room for all those new discs! :D

That really is the clear and obvious answer, isn't it?

There isn't enough decent movies out/coming out BR to warrant buying a George Forman Grill look-a-like.
Knock out the fat! :)
If you want more content, buy some DVDs.
J

I think my PS3 is heavier then a George Forman Grill. :p :cool:

Blu doesnt have that many titles either yet .
I have looked at what they have at Amazon too . Just be keep aware ...
Have no intent on another player of anything till the smoke clears ...

Funny posts !! All in good humor !!

Bob
hd and hungry .......

There isn't enough decent movies out/coming out BR to warrant buying a George Forman Grill look-a-like.
Knock out the fat! :)
If you want more content, buy some DVDs.
J

There are two sayings you should really consider before making comments like the above:
1) beauty is in the eyes of the beholder------many people find the PS3 looks fine, even sexy.
2) One man's meat is another man's poison------Taste, in every case, is purely subjective. Making blanket statements about what is "decent" or not, therefore, serves no purpose.

There are two sayings you should really consider before making comments like the above:
1) beauty is in the eyes of the beholder------many people find the PS3 looks fine, even sexy.
2) One man's meat is another man's poison------Taste, in every case, is purely subjective. Making blanket statements about what is "decent" or not, therefore, serves no purpose.
Fine, I accept that. Just as people have to be aware that the generic phrase "buy a PS3 for more titles" isn't always the answer. For many of us, it is not.
J

There are two sayings you should really consider before making comments like the above:
1) beauty is in the eyes of the beholder------many people find the PS3 looks fine, even sexy.
2) One man's meat is another man's poison------Taste, in every case, is purely subjective. Making blanket statements about what is "decent" or not, therefore, serves no purpose.

He was being funny and even I as a PS3 owner found it funny. That is the problem with some of the members here....they really have no sense of humor. :rolleyes:

I think the OP gets the point that there is no answer that can solve the problem. HD/BD is a niche market and will continue to be treated as a niche market unitl the masses invest in either or both formats. This is nothing new in the lifecycle of new formats....think of the first years of SD DVD. In fact one could argue that both HD resolution formats have been given more titles (both old and new) than SD DVD was graced with the first months of it's existence. Certainly more studio support combined that SD.

To answer your question on, "What can [you] do to get more content ??" I suggest the easiest way is to go buy a PS3 and begin your BD collection. Guaranteed way to get more content and quickly, too. Just be sure you have enough room for all those new discs! :D

Yah but I'm having a hard time giving up that better picture qaulity that HDDVD offers up on thier titles. Last night I watched triple X (blu-ray) and again saw grain in places I should not have, and contrast issues in a couple of scenes. I like that BR has a better capacity but hate that fact thier good transfers are few and far between. Yes I've seen thier good ones, all five of them? Black Hawk Down, Kingdom Heaven, ect, but common, 90%+ of my HD dvds look reffence, not 5%. Untile this is fixed, I'll keep buying my movies in HDDVD as 1st priority, and BR when I have no other option.

He was being funny and even I as a PS3 owner found it funny. That is the problem with some of the members here....they really have no sense of humor. :rolleyes:

I even thought the part about the George Foremen Grill was funny too, but if you thought the part about the BR movies not being worthwhile and the advice to buy SD DVDs instead, then you have a very strange sense of humour. BigJ responded to my comments as well and I really don't get the impression he was entirely joking. But, in the event he was, then I apologise to Big J if I offended him.

I think the OP gets the point that there is no answer that can solve the problem. HD/BD is a niche market and will continue to be treated as a niche market unitl the masses invest in either or both formats. This is nothing new in the lifecycle of new formats....think of the first year of SD DVD.

Purchased my first dvd player the spring of 1997 and had about two titles for about 4-6 months due to the studios restricting dvd sales from the "test" cities. Was not a whole lot of content until later that year. Once 1998 came around the flood gates opened up. :cool:

Purchased my first dvd player the spring of 1997 and had about two titles for about 4-6 months due to the studios restricting dvd sales from the "test" cities. Was not a whole lot of content until later that year. Once 1998 came around the flood gates opened up. :cool:

That is correct. Warner Brothers limited sales to 11 or 12 test cities. You basically had public domain titles available.....crappy one's at that. Then you had CC's DIVX experiment, which had Disney backing it among other studios. Many studio's didn't support DVD and when they did, titles would trickle out a couple at a time every month or so. I don't remember 1998 having a flood of titles, but yet much betterin comparison to 97.

I think part of the problem with the membership not accepting/understanding a new format introduction...they don't remember and/ordidn't experience/invested in the introduction of DVD. Those that were 18 or younger in March of 97 did experience the intro as a consumer...so this is all new to them. I also think you have ppl that have never been an early adopter, so this is their first foray into that experience too.

Yah but I'm having a hard time giving up that better picture qaulity that HDDVD offers up on thier titles. Last night I watched triple X (blu-ray) and again saw grain in places I should not have, and contrast issues in a couple of scenes. I like that BR has a better capacity but hate that fact thier good transfers are few and far between. Yes I've seen thier good ones, all five of them? Black Hawk Down, Kingdom Heaven, ect, but common, 90%+ of my HD dvds look reffence, not 5%. Untile this is fixed, I'll keep buying my movies in HDDVD as 1st priority, and BR when I have no other option.

I take it you've not been checkng out the reviews of titles released in the past 3 months............


If anything BR has been recieving better reviews than HD-DVD, at worst, matching it.

Get a PS3 and rent those BD movies.
And go out and buy HD DVD movies.

Many are doing this. And it works. Sony looses money on every PS3. You only rent the movies, no sales for Sony. And you'll get both HD worlds.

I take it you've not been checkng out the reviews of titles released in the past 3 months............


If anything BR has been recieving better reviews than HD-DVD, at worst, matching it.

Your correct, I have not been checking out the reviews of titles released. I was though at one time, now I just simply watch them for my self and see the reviewers have some explaining to do. But when I see them using only 40" and 60" sets for thier reviews I may understand why it all looks so good to them. I've seen many (25+) blu-ray titles thanks to netflix, and the few I bought. The refrence disks we all mention here at AVS do look good, I'm rerreing to post of "reffence blu-rays", with the top tier being 5 or 8 titles. Yes those look good. I also rent HD-DVD, and I have to say so far picture wise over the past few months theirs are still better. At least on my setup which I believe is no slouch.

Your correct, I have not been checking out the reviews of titles released. I was though at one time, now I just simply watch them for my self and see the reviewers have some explaining to do. But when I see them using only 40" and 60" sets for thier reviews I may understand why it all looks so good to them. I've seen many (25+) blu-ray titles thanks to netflix, and the few I bought. The refrence disks we all mention here at AVS do look good, I'm rerreing to post of "reffence blu-rays", with the top tier being 5 or 8 titles. Yes thughs look good. I also rent HD-DVD, and I have to say so far picture wise over the past few months theirs are still better. At least on my setup which I believe is no slouch.

Reviewers need sets over 60" in order to determine whether or not a movie looks good? I could understand 40" maybe...but 60" is not big enough to review a movie? :cool:

nothing you can do...buy a Blu Ray player or bend over and take it in the shorts :(

I'm not sure that "go buy a BD player" is the obvious answer to someone who already bought his fill of the Warner and Paramount titles on HD DVD. I don't know if it's my tastes in movies or what, but as of today I only have five BD titles, with one more to buy until I'm done with what's available now (although a couple I want are being released Tuesday). I'm excluding a few of the early titles of which I'm waiting for better versions (The Fifth Element, Memento).

It did allow me to get some titles I wanted, but it certainly wasn't some huge windfall.

Reviewers need sets over 60" in order to determine whether or not a movie looks good? I could understand 40" maybe...but 60" is not big enough to review a movie? :cool:

Well no you don't have to, but it sure makes a difference when you grading image qaulity. Same blu-rays movies that show some issues on my 120" look just fine on my 55" plasma, grain on the plasma is BARELY noticible, but at more than double the screen size, well it really shows, and when I don't see that grainy image in HD-DVD, well then you tend to see the difference much more easily between mpg and VC1. I used to love my HDTIVO, now it sucks compared to what I have been spoiled with HDDVD, and yes even the blu-ray looks better than my HDTIVO. I even think my WMV sometimes looks better than my blu-ray, but that's a tough call.

I'm not sure that "go buy a BD player" is the obvious answer to someone who already bought his fill of the Warner and Paramount titles on HD DVD. I don't know if it's my tastes in movies or what, but as of today I only have five BD titles, with one more to buy until I'm done with what's available now (although a couple I want are being released Tuesday). I'm excluding a few of the early titles of which I'm waiting for better versions (The Fifth Element, Memento).

It did allow me to get some titles I wanted, but it certainly wasn't some huge windfall.

Its not just you. If I bought into BR, I would only own about 5 titles.
J

HD DVD - and blu-ray of course - is just in the beginning. Stay calm. Remember the times when DVD came up? Within this year now we have more releases than we had anno 1997 I think it was.
It will need some further years to catch up DVD sales. Just enjoy the content which is out yet and superior to the content uf blu-ray. Even if blu-ray is getting more releases. This does not mean that there will be better content. My vote still goes to HD DVD. By far the better movies IMHO.
Just buy those films you look like every other HD lover. The content will come. I'm pretty sure. HD DVD with it's lead, it's brand, price falls etc. will exist for many years.
The studios will all go neutral some day. No chance to not get involved for them.

Bob
hd and hungry .......
You may want the PS3 and the George Forman grill!

Its not just you. If I bought into BR, I would only own about 5 titles.
J

You're telling me that you'd only want to own about 5 titles from Sony (Colombia), MGM, Lionsgate, Fox, and Disney (Buena Vista)? What kinda movie fan are you? :confused:

You're telling me that you'd only want to own about 5 titles from Sony (Colombia), MGM, Lionsgate, Fox, and Disney (Buena Vista)? What kinda movie fan are you? :confused:

He is wearing blinders. Thats the only explanation. If you assess the total catalog of Universal Studio and the total catalog of all five Blu-Ray exclusive studios, you would be hard press to say Universal Studio has more quality movies. Look at AFI Top 100 movies of all time ...38 Blu-Ray exclusive vs. 14 HD DVD exclusives. You will be missing quite a lot what critics considered the greatest films of all time. I don't disdain or make fun of Universal catalog ...they do have some great movies I would be missing out. But as of right now, I like Blu-Ray catalog a whole lot better than HD DVD catalog. You are a fan boy if you think otherwise.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=715977

Yah but I'm having a hard time giving up that better picture qaulity that HDDVD offers up on thier titles. Last night I watched triple X (blu-ray) and again saw grain in places I should not have, and contrast issues in a couple of scenes. I like that BR has a better capacity but hate that fact thier good transfers are few and far between. Yes I've seen thier good ones, all five of them? Black Hawk Down, Kingdom Heaven, ect, but common, 90%+ of my HD dvds look reffence, not 5%. Untile this is fixed, I'll keep buying my movies in HDDVD as 1st priority, and BR when I have no other option.

don't be so melodramatic. BD has alot of Good titles.

and SO does HD DVD. but alas Both have crappy ones 2.
____________________________________________________________ ___


If Content is your God. then Both Formats is key.

Step outside your boxes. Suffering in Silence is better.

IF you despise BD format soo much. that you would deny yourselves Content.

Do what you will.

don't be so melodramatic. BD has alot of Good titles.

and SO does HD DVD. but alas Both have crappy ones 2.

if Content is your God. then Both Formats is key.

Step outside your boxes. Suffering in Silence is better.

IF you despise BD format soo much. that you would deny yourselves Content.

do what you will.

Did you actually mean to quote me in your above reply? Because your reply seems not to make sense into my statment that I made, I'm assuming you meant to quote some one other?

^ first part was for you.

second for the Haters.

Content is Content.


Can't we all just Get along?

You're telling me that you'd only want to own about 5 titles from Sony (Colombia), MGM, Lionsgate, Fox, and Disney (Buena Vista)? What kinda movie fan are you? :confused:
5 BR exclusive Titles from the list of movies released and maybe another 5 from the to be released list. I guess I'm pickier than some.
J

He is wearing blinders. Thats the only explanation. If you assess the total catalog of Universal Studio and the total catalog of all five Blu-Ray exclusive studios, you would be hard press to say Universal Studio has more quality movies.

You are making a judgement call.
We've been through this before. Most of the BR movies are current releases geared towards a rather young crowd. Mindless popcorn flicks. If that's what you like, that is fine. My tastes are different. I do not confuse popularity or high ticket sales with the quality of the movie. You do.
Everyone has different taste, and mine is certainly different than yours, to deny that is ignorance beyond what a normal adult should express.
J

If Content is your God. then Both Formats is key.

Step outside your boxes. Suffering in Silence is better.

IF you despise BD format soo much. that you would deny yourselves Content.

Do what you will.

If content is your God, than buy DVDs. It has thousands of times more titles than HD DVD and BR combined.
J

You are making a judgement call.
We've been through this before. Most of the BR movies are current releases geared towards a rather young crowd. Mindless popcorn flicks. If that's what you like, that is fine. My tastes are different. I do not confuse popularity or high ticket sales with the quality of the movie. You do.
Everyone has different taste, and mine is certainly different than yours, to deny that is ignorance beyond what a normal adult should express.
J

I am talking about the AFI Top 100 films, not the Top 100 Grossing films of All time. Look at that list and name me a mindless popcorn flick. I am also talking about each side's total catalog, not just released HD titles. Eventually, most of the catalog titles will be released in HD. But the BDA has a plan installed to garner as much market share as possible from the start. Its a wise business decision to release the most successful box office hits first. Movie buffs like you will not decide the outcome of this war and the Blu-Ray side is smart enough to know this. The general public will buy box office hits ...not obscure, critically acclaimed titles. Those will come in between hits and later on for Blu-Ray.

There isn't enough decent movies out/coming out BR to warrant buying a George Forman Grill look-a-like.
J


Hold the presses - does my PS3 grill burgers too? If so, best. . .purchase. . .ever!

Hold the presses - does my PS3 grill burgers too? If so, best. . .purchase. . .ever!

I cooked up some grilled cheese on mine last night. ;)

nothing you can do...buy a Blu Ray player or bend over and take it in the shorts :(
that's kinda one in the same, isn't it?

Continue to support HD DVD and not buy Blu Ray. Tell friends and family about HD DVD and hopefully they will jump on board as soon as cheaper players are released. Let them know why they should or should not go Blu Ray or HD DVD and show people HD DVD and why they should look into it, I get the seed planted on all my friends and family's mind so they will be more inclined to buy a HD movie format. The more neutral we are the longer the war lasts and will prolong the studio's in joining or abandoning a format. In a year or two the player with the most sales and installed base will get the attention of most studio's.

that's kinda one in the same, isn't it?

It must take a real close minded person to think that being screwed from behind is even close to buying a wonderful BD player and many wonderful BD discs. Im a movie fan first and foremost and my samsung BD player and 80 BDs have worked beautifully and perfectly from the day I got them. If you like Toshiba and Universal more than you like movies then you are missing out big time.

that's kinda one in the same, isn't it?

My Samsung is awesome, I got it a knockdown price (nearly 40% off), BDs cost about 10-15% more than DVDs here in the UK so it is not that big of a deal, the PQ is amazing when set to 1080i and I let my display do the deinterlacing, AQ blows HD DVD out of the water, none of the few THD tracks has lived up to the PCM tracks on BDs. HD DVD is not a good deal, people that think it is are misguided at best, especially since you have the PS3 for around the same cost as the entry-level A2, don't talk about the add-on, as you need an X360 for $299/399.

If content is your God, than buy DVDs. It has thousands of times more titles than HD DVD and BR combined.
J


HD Content/ ......

It must take a real close minded person to think that being screwed from behind is even close to buying a wonderful BD player and many wonderful BD discs. Im a movie fan first and foremost and my samsung BD player and 80 BDs have worked beautifully and perfectly from the day I got them. If you like Toshiba and Universal more than you like movies then you are missing out big time.
uhh...i never said "being screwed from behind" was a bad thing. you did. ;)

Get a PS3 and rent those BD movies.
And go out and buy HD DVD movies.

Many are doing this. And it works. Sony looses money on every PS3. You only rent the movies, no sales for Sony. And you'll get both HD worlds.

That is pathetic :rolleyes:

Some people are way too hardcore about this format war. :D

That is pathetic :rolleyes:

Some people are way too hardcore about this format war. :D

I know... It's Retarded.

Any thoughts on how to get studio's to go neutral ??
I signed the petitions ....

Bob

Buy combo disks.

As much as some might hate it buying combo disks is probably one of biggest messages consumers can send to studios in support of the hd-dvd format. It's one fixed format advantage that blu-ray is not and likely can't duplicate at a reasonable cost.

For non combos studios can probably just push consumers toward blu-ray and ultimately command more $ per disk after the format war, ala Fox prices, without giving away an sd copy of the movie.

I think someone really needs to light a fire under Warner and especially Paramount. There is an extreme lack of releases from these studios as of late and with the Blu-Ray exclusive studios releasing titles left and right, HD-DVD really needs even these format-neutral studios to get on the ball. Participation from New Line, Dreamworks, and even Anchor Bay really has to come to light also. I think at this point in time, even DVD had Austin Powers....

To answer your question on, "What can [you] do to get more content ??" I suggest the easiest way is to go buy a PS3 and begin your BD collection. Guaranteed way to get more content and quickly, too. Just be sure you have enough room for all those new discs! :D

Seems a lot of BD trolls spend more time in the HD-DVD sections than BR... If you have won the war (what, like 7 or 8 times already, right ?), what else do you want ?

Seems a lot of BD trolls spend more time in the HD-DVD sections than BR... If you have won the war (what, like 7 or 8 times already, right ?), what else do you want ?

It has nothing to do with trolling. If you want more movies then buy the player that has more movies for you to watch. It just seems like common sense.

My Samsung is awesome, I got it a knockdown price (nearly 40% off), BDs cost about 10-15% more than DVDs here in the UK so it is not that big of a deal, the PQ is amazing when set to 1080i and I let my display do the deinterlacing, AQ blows HD DVD out of the water, none of the few THD tracks has lived up to the PCM tracks on BDs. HD DVD is not a good deal, people that think it is are misguided at best, especially since you have the PS3 for around the same cost as the entry-level A2, don't talk about the add-on, as you need an X360 for $299/399.

Man, you are just hilarious. So PCM sounds better than True HD ? They're both lossless : I suggest you go to dictionary.com and search for the meaning of lossless.

Also, no wonder they need 50 Gb so they can put PCM/MPEG2 as they are such inefficient codecs. But your Samsung player will go back to DD 640 Kbps when all the new ones will decode DTHD and DTS-MA, only reason they are putting them on BD for now is because most players do not have the advanced lossless codecs capability. Yet. Get ready to kiss your Samsung player bye-bye when PCM starts to go away (since your ears are so amazingly sharp that you can detect a difference between lossless codecs).

It has nothing to do with trolling. If you want more movies then buy the player that has more movies for you to watch. It just seems like common sense.

If that's your approach then wouldn't buying both formats be the common sense solution?

It has nothing to do with trolling. If you want more movies then buy the player that has more movies for you to watch. It just seems like common sense.
If you want more movies, stick with DVD, currently both formats will be slow with releases for a while yet. The market is too small and replication capacity is still limited. I would rather studios took their time with releases and produced something worthy of a purchase. To many releases lack the extras and next generation interactive features we expect from these formats.

Reviewers need sets over 60" in order to determine whether or not a movie looks good? I could understand 40" maybe...but 60" is not big enough to review a movie? :cool:

Honestly, I sometimes have difficulty to distinguish between upconverted and HD (be it BR or HD-DVD) unless the transfer is top-notch. And that's with 144' diagonal picture in 1080p. If the transfer is really good, then yes, HD blows SD out of the water.

Some reviews that have qualified as state-of-the-art by highdefdigest left me seriously doubtful, especially when it comes to video noise. I don't know what size screen they use at highdefdigest but I tend to trust Widescreen Review a lot more. You can bet your arse if they give a title 5/5 in PQ, it will rock.

If that's your approach then wouldn't buying both formats be the common sense solution?

His approach was as clear as the 2nd poster's approach.

If that's your approach then wouldn't buying both formats be the common sense solution?

Thats one way to do it. I have owned both but I sold my Toshiba and my HDs as I only wanted on player and format and since I was only missing one major studio Im trying to hope the war ends sooner then later.

Thats one way to do it. I have owned both but I sold my Toshiba and my HDs as I only wanted on player and format and since I was only missing one major studio Im trying to hope the war ends sooner then later.

If having access to all hd movies is the goal why wait around for a war to end when player costs are so affordable and all studios are represented on one or the other player?

I'm not so sure things would be better for consumers if there was no war at this point. Plenty of movies are coming out this year between HD and BD and dual format ownership is available for give or take $1000. If their were no war you'd probably be paying that much or more for not much difference in movies anyway.

If content is your God, than buy DVDs. It has thousands of times more titles than HD DVD and BR combined.
J

agreed. anyway hi. def. disks are a bonus, not a requirement. as we are finding out, some disks don't even gain much by going to hi. def. because the source isn't that good.

i am just holding off on buying anything (no dvd or bd) from fox/disney for a few years to see how things pan out. it isn't like they will stop selling movies and i have to buy from them now. if i really want to see one of their movies now i can just borrow the dvd from somebody.

btw: when is "Jock of the Bushveld" coming to hi def?

I am also talking about each side's total catalog, not just released HD titles. Eventually, most of the catalog titles will be released in HD.

This is where we also disagree. I don't beleive either format will replace DVDs, and they will both probably be niche products. As such, I seriously doubt that we will see all or even the majority of any these studios' catalogs. But, that's just me.
J

Thats one way to do it. I have owned both but I sold my Toshiba and my HDs as I only wanted on player and format and since I was only missing one major studio Im trying to hope the war ends sooner then later.

I noticed in another thread (HD DVD owner moves to Blu-Ray) that you called him "open-minded" and yet you don't own both. Does that mean you're not open-minded?

Anyone truly inteerested in content is going to own a player from each format! I don't thnik there will any movement by any studio for a year or two - the stakes are too high! For me Universal has the best titles so if I want HD then I also have to have an HD DVD player. Keeping HD DVD alive is crucial - the competition tends to keep Sony and BD somewhat honest!

Cheers,

Grant

Hold the presses - does my PS3 grill burgers too? If so, best. . .purchase. . .ever!


I cooked up some grilled cheese on mine last night. ;)


Is that why they have issues with over heating?? :D

Craig