View Full Version : Pioneer 60 series vs. 70 series? What changed?


CHolleman
02-06-07, 09:44 AM
What are the main differences between the two series?

SD looks a good notch or two better on my parents' 5070 vs. my 4360. The big conundrum is that they're running a SD D* box connected via S-video until verizon gets here this month and installs the FiOS tv. Pure Cinema is set to Adv.

I, on the other hand, am running a D* H20-600 via HDMI. before i saw how good my parents set looked, i used to lock the H20 into 720p as i hated the long delay when switching resolutions. I've since disabled Native Off, and I can't say it looks that much better. Pure Cinema is set to Adv.

Is the 70 series that big of a step up from the 60 series or maybe my H20 isn't all that hot (i've been more than displeased with this box and will probably switch to FiOS after seeing my parents as I've heard great things about the service)

any thoughts or info?

dlconner
02-06-07, 10:17 AM
Just to name a few: glass, better video processing, 1 layer glass + plastic filter instead of 2 layers of glass (which means less glare/reflection), better phosphor technology.

CHolleman
02-06-07, 11:54 AM
Just to name a few: glass, better video processing, 1 layer glass + plastic filter instead of 2 layers of glass (which means less glare/reflection), better phosphor technology.

i always thought they were basically the same with just a few upgrades. I can't wait to see what the 5070 will look like once they get the proper source and connections.

dlconner
02-06-07, 11:58 AM
i always thought they were basically the same with just a few upgrades. I can't wait to see what the 5070 will look like once they get the proper source and connections.

Nope, the 5070 is using the NEC glass, and possibly some of the NEC's processing power. I had a rare opprotunity to see the 5060 and 5070 side by side when they were bringing in the new models, (as well as the 6th gen 61" and 6070 side by side), at best buy and let me tell you...it was a night and day difference. IMO, the 7th generation blows away the 6th generation w.r.t. picture quality. The best thing of all was, even though the 5071 looked great in BB, it looks amazing at home with its own dedicated sources.

D-Nice
02-06-07, 12:20 PM
Just to name a few: glass, better video processing, 1 layer glass + plastic filter instead of 2 layers of glass (which means less glare/reflection), better phosphor technology.

Actually, it's the same glass layer, plastic filter, same processor. New red and blue phosphors in the 70 series, and higher pixel count.

dlconner
02-06-07, 02:14 PM
Actually, it's the same glass layer, plastic filter, same processor. New red and blue phosphors in the 70 series, and higher pixel count.

Ack take his word for it. I could have sworn that the 6th generation was the last ones on the old pioneer glass before going to the NEC facalities that they purchased, but D-Nice would definately know better than I.

CHolleman
02-06-07, 02:15 PM
well thanks for clearing that up guys. quite a shame that i spent more for my 4360 than my parents paid for their 5070, but i guess that's how technology goes huh? maybe i'll upgrade to the Super Plasma in time if it's not an arm and a leg.

CHG
02-06-07, 02:21 PM
Yes, always works that way. I paid a LOT more for my 5040 and quite a bit more for my 5050. Plus, of course, the newer ones have an improved picture.

Ngerstman
02-06-07, 02:59 PM
Technnlogy always moves forward. I bought an elite 1540 in December after holding off buying a plasma for years. Then at the CES they announce a new breakthrough technology that they say will revolutionize plasma quality!! I was marketed to that the 7th generation sets were a breakthrough. Oh well. Thanks. Ned.

D-Nice
02-06-07, 03:36 PM
Ack take his word for it. I could have sworn that the 6th generation was the last ones on the old pioneer glass before going to the NEC facalities that they purchased, but D-Nice would definately know better than I.

The 6th generation was the last to use the 1280x768 (50" plasma) pixel structure. The 7th generation uses the 1365x768) pixel structure. Both have the "First Surface" Pure Color filter. Both use the same processor, software (ACE IV, Pure Cinema II) except the 7th gen's software is "tweaked". The 7th generation adds a dielectric layer. However, that was implemented due to the IR issues prior NEC panels had.

dlconner
02-06-07, 03:40 PM
The 6th generation was the last to use the 1280x768 (50" plasma) pixel structure. The 7th generation uses the 1365x768) pixel structure. Both have the "First Surface" Pure Color filter. Both use the same processor, software (ACE IV, Pure Cinema II) except the 7th gen's software is "tweaked". The 7th generation adds a dielectric layer. However, that was implemented due to the IR issues prior NEC panels had.

Ahhhh, ok. Thanks a ton D-Nice.