From the PT site:

Fear of a Blank Planet track listing

Following two album playback events in New York and at Abbey Road in London, the track listing of the new Porcupine Tree album "Fear of a Blank Planet" has been revealed:

1. Fear of a Blank Planet (7.28)
2. My Ashes (5.07)
3. Anesthetize (17.42)
4. Sentimental (5.26)
5. Way Out of Here (7.37)
6. Sleep Together (7.28)

The album is set for April release through Roadrunner in Europe, Atlantic in the US, and WHD Entertainment in Japan. It's likely that both the stereo CD and 5.1 surround sound DVDA will be packaged together as standard.

Please note that a version of the album currently listed on several mail order sites in Japan with an additional track included in the running order, and supposedly coming out in March, categorically does not exist, so do not order it!

I can't wait... thanks for sharing :)

Anesthetize is a true magnum opus...saw them do this this fall. I'm in for the DVD A. Thanks.

RT

Awesome, I am looking forward to it.

God, i can't wait

Already on top of this one :D

I was particularly struck by the length of each track. A return to ProgRock roots? Not that they ever left it, but PT seemed to be flirting with Opeth-inspired metal after Stupid Dream. If Atlantic Records has picked them up, will that added marketing muscle finally allow them to break out? I suppose that Lightbulb Sun in 5.1 will take some more time to be released....

From Wikipedia:

"A critic hearing the album twice comments that this album is is heavier than both In Absentia and Deadwing, but contains some of the most lush and beautiful pieces to date. The album tracks flow into each other, technically forming one 53 minute track. On the 12th January 2007 page of his journal, Robert Fripp mentions that one of the songs recorded is called "Nil Recurring", it is not currently known whether this will be released as a bonus track, B-side to a possible single, or whether it will not be released."

'Nil Recurring'? How amusing!

On one of the Porcupine Tree mailing lists (Dark Matter), the discussion of the surround encoding for the FOABP 5.1 disk has centered around the possibility that a DVD-V with DD or DTS encoding will be released at first, with the DVD-A (I'm guessing a DTS DVD-A) coming later.

Hopefully the band and label will hear the outcries of annoyance and stick to what the first post here mentions: a DVD-A release out of the gate.

I am most certainly looking forward to the 5.1 mix, regardless of how it is presented. Should be very tasty, like the other PTree 5.1 mixes.

shinksma

Steve Wilson has said on many occasions that he is a huge fan of DVD audio. I would think since he is very involved in the engineering process that his preference on surround format releases will hold some merit. Lets hop so

Good news.

I was told from a good source that there will be only one release, with CD and DVD-A... :)

I also heard the album was great..

I was saving up for my 1000th post, and since this is one of my favorite subjects, I could think of no better way.... on to the next 1000 :cool:

EDIT: My good source informed me that Atlantic is also releasing a CD only edition.

Awesome to read posts from fellow PT fans...never expected to read this here.

I can not wait to hear FOABP....

I have all of there DVD-A releases. I'd never heard of them before, and bought solely on word of mouth and the need for good surround sound. Now I will buy anything they put out on DVD-A, and also have their latest concert dvd. All top notch. Can't wait for this one.

Awesome. I've been listening to Deadwing for a week in my car and have all the other older discs that have been remastered and repackaged.

For those that can't wait for a PT fix, try Coheed & Cambria, pretty similar progressive stuff. Or Steve's side project Blackfield. Or 1980s Marillion before they got that glam rock singer.

There's 6 minutes of audio from the new album on the Porcupine Tree MySpace page.

Sounds Awesome!

I'm going to see Blackfield in a few weeks, and I'm good friends with the club owner, so I'll try to get back and ask Steven a question or two about the new PT record. :)

Good! Tell him to start to mix his front stage properly on the 5.1 discs!!! :)

Apparently the decision whether to make the new album in DVD-A or DVD-V may be more of a record company decision than a band decision. Hopefully, influences will make it a DVD-A. It would make no sense to do it otherwise, since most, if not all, DVD-A have a DVD-V layer. This should be a no brainer if you ask me, but then again, who said record company execs had a half a brain.

^^ I can tell you. first hand. that in this casse it is the bands decision. The band previewed the multi channel recording in New York weeks ago, and as I said above, at that time, I was told that it would be a single CD and DVD-A release.

Good! Tell him to start to mix his front stage properly on the 5.1 discs!!! :)

"Properly" :rolleyes: Here's a vote for 'the mixes are just fine'.

Does anyone which track Alex Lifeson plays on Fear of a Blank Planet?

The sample mp3 on myspace sounds very cool. If you want to take it with you, have it play in Quicktime and then save the page. It will save the entire six+ minutes as a 192 kbps mp3.

Sweet!

" Here's a vote for 'the mixes are just fine'. "

And another vote here :)

Maybe a recalibration is all thats required ? :D

Alex Lifeson solos on 'Anesthetise'

I wish they'd put the Dvd-A version up for preorder , Im getting nervous .....

More soundclips : http://www.cede.ch/fr/music-cd/frames/frameset.cfm?aobj=612834


Enjoy !


~M~

"Properly" :rolleyes: Here's a vote for 'the mixes are just fine'.

Here's a vote for higher expectations.

Does anyone which track Alex Lifeson plays on Fear of a Blank Planet?
That is fantastic! I recall when I interviewed Alex for the R30 DVD release (http://felixemartinez.com/2006-02-03_column_bg.gif), we had some time at the end of the interview to shoot the ****, and I started raving about PT. He said he knew of them, but IIRC, he had not yet hooked up with SW. First, SW brings on Adrian Belew (a personal fave) for Deadwing, now Lifeson. Who's next, Steve Vai...? Actually...;)

Good! Tell him to start to mix his front stage properly on the 5.1 discs!!! :)


John,

Do you ever give up? I have read so much of your crap over the last year it is getting really old. If you don't like a mix that's ok. We all have things we like and dislike. But you always come off as knowing more than anyone and that what you say is the way it should be...News flash...Not everyone agrees with you. So please give us a break and enjoy the music, or just go listen to 2 channel recordings.

Thank you

Want some cheese to go with that whine?

I do just listen to the 2.0, the 5.1s are too disappointing. Still willing to hold out hope for the future.

touring dates for the first half of their Fear of a Blank Planet tour (the first of two PT North American tours this year) posted @ www.porcupinetree.com today

</3 no minneapolis

Want some cheese to go with that whine?

I do just listen to the 2.0, the 5.1s are too disappointing. Still willing to hold out hope for the future.
Defiantly a problem on your end

No, I just have higher expectations based on a knowledge of good mixing techniques and how your ears process redundant info from multiple speakers. It will be a waste of time to insult my system or my understanding, so feel free to disagree if you haven't heard better mixes. I have.

touring dates for the first half of their Fear of a Blank Planet tour (the first of two PT North American tours this year) posted @ www.porcupinetree.com today

</3 no minneapolis

OMG, I can't believe they are still playing these small venues. The Fox theater in Boulder is closest for me. I would have thought they'd be booking Red Rocks or the Filmore by now.

I may be up! They get no radio play, so of course they have a very small following. I turn on as many people as I can. I bet I've turned on 25 people who didn't even know they existed.

No, I just have higher expectations based on a knowledge of good mixing techniques and how your ears process redundant info from multiple speakers. It will be a waste of time to insult my system or my understanding, so feel free to disagree if you haven't heard better mixes. I have.
Yes, we don't want your system to be insulted by these terrible 5.1 mixes :p . I'm sure your surrounds will just get up and walk out if you play what are regularly voted as among the best in surround sound mixes. Oh, wait! That's right, none of us know what we're talking about.

Tue 22 May - BALTIMORE, MD - RAM’S HEAD

Rock! The wife and I are there!

Apparently not.

It's not the surrounds, it's the front mixing that is pretty bad. Quality is good, but the mix isn't. Rear mix is fantastic, but that's different.

Tue 22 May - BALTIMORE, MD - RAM’S HEAD

Rock! The wife and I are there!
Any word when tickets go on sale?

Any word when tickets go on sale?
it'll be on their front page

www.porcupinetree.com

Want some cheese to go with that whine?

I do just listen to the 2.0, the 5.1s are too disappointing. Still willing to hold out hope for the future.

PT 5.1's disappointing you need to get your ears syringed

can you give an example of a 'good' mix IYHO ?

touring dates for the first half of their Fear of a Blank Planet tour (the first of two PT North American tours this year) posted @ www.porcupinetree.com today


thanks Nitron, I just picked up 4 tickets for the Boulder, CO show in May - they went on sale today :)

http://porcupinetree.com/images/CR04072007.pdf

:cool:

May 28th Toronto........
Finally, a Canadian gig!

PT 5.1's disappointing you need to get your ears syringed

Just because I have higher expectations doesn't mean I need my ears "syringed". Perhaps you should expect more rather than assuming others should expect less. FWIW, I have every PT album I can find so it's not like I'm not a fan or anything.

can you give an example of a 'good' mix IYHO ?

Elton John's live concert for one. There aren't a lot that don't improperly use phantom mixing. The few that do it right sound notably better. Imagine getting a DVD movie where the voice is mixed equally and and contemporaneously in all three fronts. It would sound poor compared to having it primarily coming from one speaker.

Tickets bought! I've never been to the Warfield in S.F. May can't come soon enough.

I'm not springing for the VIP tickets, so I missed the pre sale for the Warfield, but I and some others will be there. I haven't been to that venue, but it's got to be better than the Fillmore. They were so loud and distorted it was painful. Something other venues reported excellent SQ...so I'm very hopeful.

Yes, I used earplugs...didn't help.

i've never heard of porcupine tree until i started lurking around here. you guys are obviously big fans; what's their music like?

i've never heard of porcupine tree until i started lurking around here. you guys are obviously big fans; what's their music like?Go to their website www.porcupinetree.com and listen to some samples. The DVD A mixes are stellar, so if you like the music, you're gonna love them on your system.

i've never heard of porcupine tree until i started lurking around here. you guys are obviously big fans; what's their music like?

I think they sound like Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Angus Young. They defy easy comparisons and descriptions. But their lyrics are intelligent, sound quality of their recordings is top-notch.

You can sample them at their myspace.
http://www.myspace.com/porcupinetree (http://www.myspace.com/porcupinetree)

i've never heard of porcupine tree until i started lurking around here. you guys are obviously big fans; what's their music like?

They're all over the map. Sometimes very much like Pink Floyd meets trance. Sometimes very melodic guitar music. Sometimes very much alternative, almost Linkin Park/Evanescence. Sometimes more like King Crimson or other progressive.

I don't have problems with the mixes[5.1] which is done by Elliot Scheiner, but In Absentia suffer from thin midrange and lower bass compared the 2ch mix and to the CD as well.[no it's not a BM issue]. Deadwing is just perfect in every way. I don't have Stupid Dreams yet.

I don't have problems with the mixes[5.1] which is done by Elliot Scheiner, but In Absentia suffer from thin midrange and lower bass compared the 2ch mix and to the CD as well.[no it's not a BM issue]. Deadwing is just perfect in every way. I don't have Stupid Dreams yet.

I agree with this statement. "Stupid Dream" sounds fantastic..on par or better then Deadwing if you can believe it :)

I don't have problems with the mixes[5.1] which is done by Elliot Scheiner, but In Absentia suffer from thin midrange and lower bass compared the 2ch mix and to the CD as well.[no it's not a BM issue]. Deadwing is just perfect in every way. I don't have Stupid Dreams yet.

The only one of the 5.1 mixes that was done by Elliot Scheiner is "In Absentia".
"Deadwing", "Stupid Dream" and "FOABP" were all done by Steven.

i've never heard of porcupine tree until i started lurking around here. you guys are obviously big fans; what's their music like?

Impossible to pin down to any specific genre.
Every time you think you have it nailed down to a genre or type, they switch it around - often in the same track.
No 2 albums are alike, all are different, all are unique.
Oh - all are also highly recommended too.

The only one of the 5.1 mixes that was done by Elliot Scheiner is "In Absentia".
"Deadwing", "Stupid Dream" and "FOABP" were all done by Steven.

Deadwing's surround mix was credited to Eliot Scheiner according to the booklet inside the jewel case. I wonder if Steven was timid to claim credit on his first surround mix.

George

George, I stand corrected.
I wonder where I heard it was Steven then? (My sleeve also says Elliot did Deadwing, and may have been confused by reading the "Mixed by Steven Wilson" as applied to the stereo versions instead.

Appreciate the correction.

To be quite honest... I think based on Stupid Dream and Deadwing... Steve sure as hell knows what he is doing... both are just as good if not better than In Absentia.

Stupid Dream is my favorite DVD-A from P-Tree, both in terms of mix and sonics.

I agree. I believe Stupid Dream is a better mix than Deadwing.

At the same settings, my gear produces better bass guitar sound during Stupid Dream than it does with Deadwing.

DW sounds kind of anemic in the bass department. If I turn up the subwoofer, I get more kickdrum but only little more bass guitar. SD is a beautifully even mix.

George

The only one of the 5.1 mixes that was done by Elliot Scheiner is "In Absentia".
"Deadwing", "Stupid Dream" and "FOABP" were all done by Steven.
Like I said I don't have Stupid Dream , but "Deadwing" was done by E.S. according to my DVD-A. Wilson did the original 2ch mixing/recording.

Looks like cdUniverse has FOABP (red book CD) available for pre-order - releases Tuesday, April 24, 2007

http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=7406314&BAB=E

Deadwing's surround mix was credited to Eliot Scheiner according to the booklet inside the jewel case. I wonder if Steven was timid to claim credit on his first surround mix.
I forgot exactly what Steven said, but I recall when we discussed the Deadwing mix (http://felixemartinez.com/2005-10-11_column_bg.gif), he said at some point that they sat down to mix it together. In Absentia was entirely ES, with Steven watching every move ;)

Also, Deadwing's 5.1 was mixed back to back with the stereo mix, whereas the surround mix for In Absentia was done way after the stereo mix, and all of the settings, fader moves, EQ, etc. had to be recreated.

Also, Deadwing's 5.1 was mixed back to back with the stereo mix, whereas the surround mix for In Absentia was done way after the stereo mix, and all of the settings, fader moves, EQ, etc. had to be recreated.

That makes sense, this is why the 5.1 ,mix has such different sound quality for me, from the 2 ch one. Almost like it was re-recorded.

Pre-Order for the DVD/CD Now on Amazon:

FOABP Amazon Preorder 2 disc DVD/CD (http://www.amazon.com/Fear-Blank-Planet-Porcupine-Tree/dp/B000OHZJ9Q/ref=pd_bbs_11/102-6490256-0847348?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1174879374&sr=8-11)

CD Universe for the 2 disc Special Edition

CD Universe CD/DVD Preorder (http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=7414380&BAB=M)


Also.. from the bands site:

Porcupine Tree Site (http://www.porcupinetree.com/news.cfm)

"Please note that Fear of a Blank Planet will *not* be available to order from the band directly, at least not until after the release date. What we need you to do this time is buy the album from regular retail outlets, and from within your own country (so if you're in Europe please order it from your local store, rather than from the US for example).

The album is being released in 2 different forms; the first is a regular crystal case edition with a 12 page booklet. The second is a deluxe 2 disc set, which contains the stereo CD, and a full 5.1 surround sound mix of the album on DVDV (which also includes 24 bit high resolution stereo). Both discs are housed inside miniature card LP sleeves, and come in a box with a 40 page book of Lasse Hoile images. Both Roadrunner in Europe, and Atlantic in the USA have pressed a limited number of these special editions. They differ slightly in that the US edition has 2 separate single card sleeves for the discs, while the Roadrunner edition has both discs housed in a single gatefold card sleeve."

According to everything I have read this 5.1 release we are seeing is a DTS 5.1 DVD V. I see nothing stating this is a DVD Audio MLP recording at this time. Has anyone heard when we will see the actual MLP DVD Audio version available? If you don't realize there is a vast difference in sound quality between DTS and DVD Audio. I for one want the DVD Audio version. However, if they are not going to release the DVD A version then I will get the loosy DTS 5.1 version.

According to sources on quadraphonicquad.com, there will be a DVD-Audio release later.

I saw it mentioned somewhere that they're releasing the dvd-a later to include videos and extras which they wouldn't be able to do now. I have no problem buying both.

Any idea how much later till the dvd-a is released?
-t

What about all of the import releases...Japan? Are those legit? It seems like they will be Fearing the Blank Planet long before us in the US.

Also, Itunes has Fear of a Blank Planet(single) for download if you buy Blackfield II(which is not a bad album, much softer though...) I know the sound quality is FAR from DVD-A :rolleyes:

The DVD-V version on Amazon is almost $50 for the import. The link here goes to single disc version. Not sure what that is...

^^^ The link I posted is for the 2 disc (CD/DVD) Atlantic Records special edition (even though it says one disc).. there is a seperate lisitng for the single CD.

Hi, my first post. I just wanted to say that I'm glad to see other PT fans. I really enjoy listening to their multi channel discs In absentia, Dead wing, and Stupid dream. I am eager to get this new one :) .

I received my May '07 issue of Sound & Vision magazine, and went directly to the entertainment section. Here's a review (http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/musicreviews/2243/porcupine-tree.html).

Every PT review I've read from S & V has been extremely positive. Our boys at PT must feel the same. A full page advertisement for "Fear of a Blank Planet" appears on page 77.

Oh I can't wait for this. I pre ordered the the 2 disc special addition so at least I will get the satisfaction of a DTS 5.1 mix. But I'll be back for more in September for the DVD A release.

I just got a hold of the full FOABP album recorded live on their last tour. Its not to bad for a mp3 and it sounds fine on headphones or pc speakers. But I uploaded it to my HTPC and played it on my HT system and I just can't stand listening to the low quality of MP3's so I can't wait until I get my special addition. It was only like the 3rd time they played it live and it was awesome.

Won't be long

scooter

I received my May '07 issue of Sound & Vision magazine, and went directly to the entertainment section. Here's a review (http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/musicreviews/2243/porcupine-tree.html).

A full page advertisement for "Fear of a Blank Planet" appears on page 77.

Thanks for the heads up. I actually have the mag on my desk and haven't even looked at it yet.

So, they are going to offer 2 ch + 5.1 DTS to start and then DVD-A in Sept. That seems odd. they obviously have the 5.1 mix done, so why the delay for a HiRez reelase? Seems like it a marketing scheme to get buyers to double dip, penalizing those that want DVD-A. I also notice the $29.99 list price of the CD+DVD package.

Looks like I will BT the 2 ch once it's released and then buy in when a proper DVD-A release becomes available. I'm perfectly willing to buy the music, just not twice.

So, they are going to offer 2 ch + 5.1 DTS to start and then DVD-A in Sept. That seems odd. they obviously have the 5.1 mix done, so why the delay for a HiRez reelase?

The only thing I can think of is that they want to include extras that aren't completed yet. Perhaps live concert footage from the summer tour?

looks like they just launched their new website

the album is out on oink too

just got done listening to it, best album of the year so far EASILY

better than Year Zero even.

No, I just have higher expectations based on a knowledge of good mixing techniques and how your ears process redundant info from multiple speakers. It will be a waste of time to insult my system or my understanding, so feel free to disagree if you haven't heard better mixes. I have.


The PT 5.1 mixes are some of the very best I've ever heard, if you don't like it...I'm afraid you're forever listening to 2.0.

just got done listening to it, best album of the year so far EASILY

better than Year Zero even.

Certainly better than both In Absentia and Deadwing...but does contain a feel from both of those albums....but I'm a big fan of Stupid Dream and Lightbulb Sun, which is represented well on this album too.

Does this album rock or what?!! I can't wait until the 5.1 version "my precious" is in my greedy little hands.

OR WHAT!!! Come on 5.1!!

I think the dvd-a cd of this with extra material will be released in september.

I just got "Signify" remastered on CD, what a helluva album. Now that would rock as a MCH release. This band single handedly made me interested on MCH music again, their music just "beg" for that.

I just got an email that my special edition 5.1 mix of FOABP shipped today! Yeah baby!

At work I stream www.radioparadise.com which is a great internet radio station, commercial free too. They played Sentimental from FOABP this morning which was awesome.

touring dates for the first half of their Fear of a Blank Planet tour (the first of two PT North American tours this year) posted @ www.porcupinetree.com today

</3 no minneapolis

Yeah, saw that...SUCK!! They sounded so good at the Fine Line too!

The first two chart positions for Fear of a Blank Planet are in - number 13 in The Netherlands, and number 16 in Finland. Mid week chart position in the UK is number 17.

This is a big deal for PT. Deadwing topped out at 113

Oh yeah I got my special edition of FOABP today! The 5.1 version is excellent even though its DTS.

Oh yeah I got my special edition of FOABP today! The 5.1 version is excellent even though its DTS.

Where can I get in the US?

I bought mine from Buy.com

They list it as "pre-order" for the '24th. How did you get yours already?

WHat happened to the American release and why is it $35 at Amazon? Mine keeps getting pushed back on the shipping date, same thing happened with Blackfield II. i am getting tired of buying from Amazon, I think I'm done with them.

FYI - Best Buy had the special release of the album in stock for $28. Double the cost of the CD, but I went ahead and sprung for the last copy they had at my local store figuring the 5.1 is worth it now even if I end up double-dipping in September when the DVD-A comes out.

I don't think Amazon is the best place to buy imports unfortunately & they list the new PT special edition as an import. Although they also list it as 1 disc which isn't correct...

FYI - Best Buy had the special release of the album in stock for $28. Double the cost of the CD, but I went ahead and sprung for the last copy they had at my local store figuring the 5.1 is worth it now even if I end up double-dipping in September when the DVD-A comes out.

Yeah, I just bought the only special edition BB had at the Towson, MD store. I've only listened to the CD version thus far, but this album is outstanding.

I figured it had a 5.1 mix, is it DTS?

I will probably check my local BB and get it there if its available and just cancel at Amazon, the total with shipping is $38 there.

Just got my copy today at BB...wow, what an outstanding DTS recording and performance.

As a bonus, I found out PT is coming to Detroit to perform on May 30th... a great birthday present to give myself!

They list it as "pre-order" for the '24th. How did you get yours already?


They shipped mine on the 18th and I got it on the 21st. I have know idea as to why they shipped early but no complaints from me.

WHat happened to the American release and why is it $35 at Amazon? Mine keeps getting pushed back on the shipping date, same thing happened with Blackfield II. i am getting tired of buying from Amazon, I think I'm done with them.

It's very weird... I get mine today from them, but the link I originally posted is no longer valid, and if I click on the product link form my order status page, it is only listed as being available from third party sellers....

From my order status page:

Items Ordered Price
1 of: Fear of a Blank Planet [Limited Edition] [Audio CD]
By: Porcupine Tree (Artist)
$23.99
Amazon Prime: Two-Day Shipping is free
Sold by: Amazon.com
- 1 item(s) Gift options: None


Item(s) Subtotal: $23.99
Shipping & Handling: $0.00
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Total Before Tax: $23.99
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Total for this Shipment: $23.99

Mine still shows as hasn’t shipped yet and the date of shipping is listed as tomorrow (26th) but the price is still $38.97

Is the 5.1 mix DTS?

I wonder why there is so much inconsistency in the price and delivery from the same vendor?

My order went exactly the same as FilmMixer's. One can only surmise that they've sold all the copies they ordered and were told there would be no more.

Kingdaddy, yes, it's DTS. The DVD-A version is to be released in September.

R

^^^ Well they said limited edition.. they must've not been kidding.

All of the other sites seem out of the domestic 2 disc edition, and it looks as if only the imports are left :(

I picked up a copy of the limited edition today at a Virgin Records B&M store. Listening to the DTS tracks right now. Sounds great, and it's an excellent album imo.

This type of ambient, psychedlic-tinged music works best as a 5.1 recording. Brings another dimension vs the 2 ch stereo version where everything sounds compressed.

This type of ambient, psychedlic-tinged music works best as a 5.1 recording. Brings another dimension vs the 2 ch stereo version where everything sounds compressed.
I gotta say, most of this album is far from "ambient", in case anyone thinks that statement means the album is "laid back" like recent No-man or some Blackfield (other Steven Wilson projects), and certainly not drone-ambient like Bass Communion. Lots of heavy stuff in FoaBP. There are some ambient bits too, and they sound quite nice.

I've only played it once so far, but it seems to be the usual excellent PTree album that will grow on me immensely. It is well-layered, well-balanced mix and mastering, and of course well written and recorded. All IMHO, of course. But I'm a huge PTree fan-boi, i suppose. :D

The DTS mix is fairly clear - I look forward to the DVD-A encoding to see what additional clarity may be apparent. And any bonus tracks too... ;)

shinksma

Well, I've had the Limited Edition for some time now. The album is, of course, excellent. Slightly less catchy than the previous three (you won't find any "Trains"-like happy sing-alongs on this one) but much more mature and technically accomplished. Anesthetize is obviously a masterpiece and Way Out of Here is so pretty it makes me emo :/ The album is over way to soon, but that's okay, you can just hit the play button again, since it doesn't get old. It grows over time, as good albums should.

As for the surround mix.
I've been hearing loads of positive stuff about it and it certainly sounds good, but I get a feeling it's much less aggressive than the In Absentia or Stupid Dream mixes. And that's a shame. I miss the total drowning-in-sound awesomeness of Tinto Brass or the tear-jerking beauty of the vocals all around me in Heartattack in a Layby.
So yeah, I'm somewhat disappointed with the surround (that is, in comparison with other PT mixes. On it's own it's still amazing!). I would have liked them to use the rear channels as aggressively as they did in their previous records.

Still, this album is a must have. It's certainly the best album of 2007 to date. If you can get your hands on a Limited Edition, why not. But remember that there's a real DVD-A coming in September, so you could technically do with the regular edition for the time being.

Here's an interesting interview with SW where he explains the ideas and concept behind FOABP

http://www.uncut.co.uk/music/uncut/special_features/9598

Click "click here" to listen to Steve's comments about the album and where he is coming from.

Does anyone else find the subject matter of FOABP a bit disturbing? I sat and listened to it as I followed the lyrics online and tried to understand the whole concept idea. I am troubled if this is the current state and/or future of our youth. The above SW interview helps explain things quite well. Give it a listen.

I listened to this last night in 5.1. Never had heard the band before but read great reviews about the band on this forum. I liked it a lot. The images are a nice addition...will they be able to do that with the DVD-Audio version? I haven't seen that before with hi rez stuff. I look forward to listening again and to their other stuff.

Does anyone else find the subject matter of FOABP a bit disturbing?

IMO, it's a sad commentary on the state of parenting more than anything. Because I come from a family of musicians, it is particularly disappointing to see the shift in perception that art and music are digital commodities to be downloaded and erased on a whim.

Tickets bought! I've never been to the Warfield in S.F. May can't come soon enough.

You are in for a sonic treat. The Warfield has one of the better acoustics among rock concert halls in SF. The Fillmore, where PT played some years ago (In Absentia), was one of the worst venues for sound (which is what this forum is all about, isn't it?). The Deadwing concert at The Grand was far better than The Fillmore, and The Warfield should be spectacular. Only 11 more days to go ;)

The images are a nice addition...will they be able to do that with the DVD-Audio version? I haven't seen that before with hi rez stuff. I look forward to listening again and to their other stuff.

Yes, DVD-Audio does have the capability for slide shows like that. The Queen Night At The Opera DVD-A has the lyrics automatically advance as the song plays. I wish more disks did that.

Yes, DVD-Audio does have the capability for slide shows like that. The Queen Night At The Opera DVD-A has the lyrics automatically advance as the song plays. I wish more disks did that.
The Crowded House and Beach Boys dvd-audio discs have the scrolling lyrics as well.

Can't wait, Porcupine Tree concert in just 11 days.....

Going to see them a week from today in Seattle. First time seeing them live, should be great!!

Hey Rmassey!!

Great link. Thank you for that!

Glad to help out.

BTW, PT show in Boulder 5/15 sold out yesterday :)

Yes, DVD-Audio does have the capability for slide shows like that. The Queen Night At The Opera DVD-A has the lyrics automatically advance as the song plays. I wish more disks did that.

It is incredibly difficult & time consuming to set that up. But worthwhile.
There is an additional problem that (A Linked Lyric is essentially a gallery set to a timer) you can’t have a Linked Lyric and a browsable gallery in the same AOB. Think about it this way: Linked Lyrics tell the player to display a menu with reference to a particular timestamp in the AOB. At time 00:00, Menu_01.tif displays. At time 01:00, Menu_02.tif displays, and so on. If you manually leave the menu, the player still has instructions to maintain that timeline, but if it’s not able to display Menu_03.tif when 02:00 of the AOB rolls around, it’s lost.
Do you see what I mean?
There are workarounds though. One is to set up the linked lyric (or in this case, timed slides) in one group, with an embedded playlist and no gallery - the galery can go in the PGC area of the disc.

This is not an excuse - I am almost thinking out loud here.
There are 2 possible schools of thought.
1 - Do something different with the Audio_TS section, maybe a different gallery for each song, fully browseable. After all, you will still be able to access the DTS stream from the AMG of the Audio_TS, so this will have the added benefit of 2 different playback paths, with 2 different onscreen experiences.
2 - Simply mimc the DTS stream in the Audio_TS, and dispose of the gallery in the same group.

Plenty of food for thought here. Please keep the suggestions coming, as I have not yet started the authoring for the DVD-A.
Feel free to drop suggestions via the PM system here.

I was wondering (and this is possibly a stupid question) if the actual surround mix (as in what goes into which channel and how loud) will change between the current DTS-only version and the upcoming DVD-A?

I can't really give any suggestions for the DVD-A since I don't even have a DVD-A player (yet) so I'm limited to DVD-V and DTS. A real surround setup is one of the first things I'll get once I finish my studies and get a job. And even then, it'll have to be cheap :P (Donations welcome~)

I was wondering (and this is possibly a stupid question) if the actual surround mix (as in what goes into which channel and how loud) will change between the current DTS-only version and the upcoming DVD-A?


No.
The mix will remain identical, although the DVD-A will sound better. Much better.
This is because when you get right down to basics, DTS is still a lossy process, and will throw away data that the codec considers to be superfluous.
It does - to me - sound better than Dolby Digital does, but it is all a question of "How much can you throw out without changing the actual sound"?
At 24/96 there is a lot more room for things to be squashed into a smaller space, which is how MLP{ Lossless (and DTS-HD MAS) works using a VBR encoding system.
DTS will tell you their codec is not a perceptual one, but it is very similar to it.
I can certainly tell the difference.
The Lossless stream is much better defined in the top end - better clarity, better definition, better imaging all round.
SO - although the source files (and therefore the mix) is the same, it will sound different due to the lossless nature of the DVD-A section.

Thanks neil,

I picked up the CD and like nachosgrande, I find it compressed. I'm so spoiled by the DVD As...I just didn't want to double dip with the DTS surround. I know I'll never listen to it again once the hi rez disk is released. FOABP is growing on me, I can tell that spreading out the soundstage imaging is going to do wonders. Wish you guys had released the DVD A as well.

Comments on the Fillmore...I hope PT never plays there again...looking forward to the Warfield.

Has anyone found a source for the limited edition with the 5.1 surround? Amazon and cd universe do not have it. I could not find it on the Porcupine Tree website.

Has anyone found a source for the limited edition with the 5.1 surround? Amazon and cd universe do not have it. I could not find it on the Porcupine Tree website.

In all honesty, the LE is pretty much gone from retail and online, except for e-bay.

Wow that sure flew off the shelf. I will just have to wait for the DVD-Audio in Sept.

Wow that sure flew off the shelf. I will just have to wait for the DVD-Audio in Sept.

That's what I'm planning to do, too.

Newburycomics.com had a few last week...

Not sure they still have them.

-t

Went to the concert last night at the Warfield in San Francisco. A great place to see a concert, I could'nt have had a closer/better place to see a band play. They played the entire Fear of a Blank Planet album along with video in the background which matched some of the stills you'd find on the Limited Edition. In between songs from the new album they played some older songs (Blackest Eyes, Open Car, Gravity Eyelids, etc) making for a long set which totally rocked. They came back out for an encore playing Even Less along with 3 or 4 more songs. If you get a chance to see them live don't miss the opportunity. This was my first Porcupine Tree concert, and hopefully not my last.

I went as well...far better show than at the Fillmore last fall. Have to say, they need a larger venue...I started up front where they sounded pretty good, though bass and guitar could be more felt than heard and it washed out some of the vocal clarity and dimension. I moved back about half through the concert to some seats in the center (where my wife was parked), there you could actually hear the bass notes and drum subtlety, the vocals cleared up and the band's 3 dimensional quality returned. Should have watched the whole show from there.
Didn't need earplugs either... :D

Overall a great show, wife even liked it...she hated it at the Fillmore where they were so loud and distorted, I didn't even enjoy it.

I was lucky enough to get a good spot early. Just above the lower area is an open area in front of the seats with a rail and place to set your drinks. I was able to secure a spot right in the middle at the rail. I first went down to the stage area befor the concert and figured the sound wasn't going to be all that great down there along with the fact I'd be looking up the whole time. It was nice being able to order drinks as well :D .

I know there were a few more AVSers at the show last night...they should chime in... :cool:

Guess that I had a very different experience at the Warfield from some of the others who were there, and who previously commented favorably on the show. What I really like about PT are the complex changes in sound and instrumentation within a song, something that really stands out with their DVD-A multichannel releases; although the live DVD-V Arriving Somewhere did a fairly nice job of presenting the technical skills and the musicality of this great neo-progressive rock group. Unfortunately, for me, the Warfield concert was engineered too loud in sound, to the extent that it became rather painful to listen.

This travesty began with the heavy-metal parody opening act, Three, whose playfulness and certain amount of virtuosity was overwhelmed by the high decibel output from the speakers. PT started out somewhat on the high decibel side, but bearable, and it got progressively louder and noisier and more unbearable as the concert wore on. And this obscured and detracted from the beauty of their music, in my opinion. I was particularly surprised by the poor judgment of their sound engineer since I have heard other bands at the Warfield, notably Sigur Ros and King Crimson, who played complex music reasonably loud but without getting to the point of sonic assault where the music was drowned in noise.

PT's new music sounded quite intriguing, but I will have to wait for the DVD-A release to really appreciate their creativity because the concert didn't enable me to hear their music well enough to enjoy. I must add that the videos were quite disturbing and didn't add much to the music, again in my opinion. There were a number of kids at the concert and I think that the images shown were over the top and troubling. 'nuff sed.

Sounds like you should have taken a set of these (http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er20.aspx). And, I dunno, a blindfold?

I must add that the videos were quite disturbing and didn't add much to the music, again in my opinion. There were a number of kids at the concert and I think that the images shown were over the top and troubling. 'nuff sed.

Kid friendly rock concerts...gee, what a great idea. They should hand out candy at the gate too. WTF

Guess that I had a very different experience at the Warfield from some of the others who were there, and who previously commented favorably on the show. What I really like about PT are the complex changes in sound and instrumentation within a song, something that really stands out with their DVD-A multichannel releases; although the live DVD-V Arriving Somewhere did a fairly nice job of presenting the technical skills and the musicality of this great neo-progressive rock group. Unfortunately, for me, the Warfield concert was engineered too loud in sound, to the extent that it became rather painful to listen.

This travesty began with the heavy-metal parody opening act, Three, whose playfulness and certain amount of virtuosity was overwhelmed by the high decibel output from the speakers. PT started out somewhat on the high decibel side, but bearable, and it got progressively louder and noisier and more unbearable as the concert wore on. And this obscured and detracted from the beauty of their music, in my opinion. I was particularly surprised by the poor judgment of their sound engineer since I have heard other bands at the Warfield, notably Sigur Ros and King Crimson, who played complex music reasonably loud but without getting to the point of sonic assault where the music was drowned in noise.

PT's new music sounded quite intriguing, but I will have to wait for the DVD-A release to really appreciate their creativity because the concert didn't enable me to hear their music well enough to enjoy. I must add that the videos were quite disturbing and didn't add much to the music, again in my opinion. There were a number of kids at the concert and I think that the images shown were over the top and troubling. 'nuff sed.The videos were meant to be disturbing...check out the previous link to the Steven Wilson interview. There's nothing upbeat about the FOABP concept. If you thought the Warfield was bad, be glad you didn't see them at the Fillmore. I couldn't hear for 3 days and I was using earplugs. They were much better sounding from the back...I agree about their sound guys, they need to get a better handle on PT's subtlety during live performance. This show was much better IMO, but I measure classic bands by their live performance exceeding recorded content. PT can't afford to equal their DVD A recordings, though musically, I feel they are matching the performance. If they can get their sound engineer(s) up to a higher level, I'll and you will be much happier.

I was standing at the rail pretty darn close to the stage at the Warfield and didn't share the same experience. No earplugs for me, but should have brought some. Compared to a lot of concerts I found the sound level acceptable (especially considering how close I was to the stage and speakers). Their new album is a little louder/heavier than some of their previous ones. As for the images and material being disturbing, I agree. We live in a disturbing world.

As soon as artists have to sensor their own concerts/showings, it's the day I kill myself. ****ing liberal society will be the death of freedom.

Boy did I get screwed by Amazon, my pre-order for the expensive version ($35.00) that was said to have a 5.1 mix DVD kept getting pushed back for delivery and I finally gave up and didn’t re-authorize the last time. However they sent me the disc anyway, even thought I didn’t authorize it. When I received it I thought , what the hell, I'll double dip on this one just for the 5.1 mix even though I already bought it at Best Buy for $14. Then when I opened it up I was surprised to find that it was only the Redbook 2 ch version that they charged me $35 for, now since its opened up I cant send it back.


That’s the last dollar Amazon will get from me, a Japanese Import for $39 shipped, what a rip-off, its not like its any better quality, a CD is CD, this isn’t vinyl so it doesn’t matter how its pressed.

Boy did I get screwed by Amazon, my pre-order for the expensive version ($35.00) that was said to have a 5.1 mix DVD kept getting pushed back for delivery and I finally gave up and didn’t re-authorize the last time. However they sent me the disc anyway, even thought I didn’t authorize it. When I received it I thought , what the hell, I'll double dip on this one just for the 5.1 mix even though I already bought it at Best Buy for $14. Then when I opened it up I was surprised to find that it was only the Redbook 2 ch version that they charged me $35 for, now since its opened up I cant send it back.


That’s the last dollar Amazon will get from me, a Japanese Import for $39 shipped, what a rip-off, its not like its any better quality, a CD is CD, this isn’t vinyl so it doesn’t matter how its pressed.

If you talk to the right service rep they might let you exchange it for the same title...the 5.1 version you thaught you were ordering.

I don’t think the 5.1 title is available anymore, I cant even find a mention of it for sale anywhere, I'm beginning to think its a myth.

Well, after further investigation I am convinced there is no such thing as a 5.1 mix of Fear of a Black Planet, no where on the internet is it shown or available for sale, the guys above are pulling everyone’s leg or don’t know what a 5.1 mix is. That is unless someone can prove me wrong with a link

I don’t think the 5.1 title is available anymore, I cant even find a mention of it for sale anywhere, I'm beginning to think its a myth.

It was a real limited edition. Imagine that, a band that calls something a limited edition and then actually keeps it limited.

It does exist. I was lucky enough to snag one. I also preordered one from BestBuy.com and it continues to be "backordered". I will be shocked if it ever shows up (and a bit richer when I sell it on eBay).

yeah it's a great album. i got the limited edition even though i don't have a proper 5.1 setup, just for braggin' rights. personally i think Deadwing is their best album to date. "Way Out Of Here" and "Sleep Together" are just a bit too awkward songs for my taste, while the first 3 tracks flow perfectly. i would have preferred for the first 3 tracks to have been released as an EP to be honest.

I saw PT at Nokia Times Square Theater in NYC Saturday night. These guys totally rocked and gave a tight performance. How often do you have a band open up the show with the whole new album???!! They were able to pull of the diverse sound in striking fashion. I have just gotten into PT over the past few months. I dragged a buddy of mine (who only knew a few songs from the mix I gave him, nothing from the new album) and he was blown away. Sound mix was good once the murkiness of the first song was adjusted by the board operator.

Tomorrow night I drag the wife out to Philly to see them...

Well, after further investigation I am convinced there is no such thing as a 5.1 mix of Fear of a Black Planet, no where on the internet is it shown or available for sale, the guys above are pulling everyone’s leg or don’t know what a 5.1 mix is. That is unless someone can prove me wrong with a link

It's real.
It is just that it was, well - limited.
The deluxe DVD-A/V version will be released in September.

I don’t think the 5.1 title is available anymore, I cant even find a mention of it for sale anywhere, I'm beginning to think its a myth.

Just go find it from BT. If the label and/or Band is not going to keep up with demand of the products, do what ya need to do.

BTW, I do support the band and spent over $100 on concert tickets, which is where they get the most revenue. :p They'll get more of my money when the DVD-A is released.

Is the DVD-A release going to have a DTS mixed Layer, I'm only set up for SACD so I cant play Hi-Rez DVD-A's. Also was the orignal Limited version 5.1 mix DTS?

Does anyone have any links to confirm any of this, or is it just rumor?

Is the DVD-A release going to have a DTS mixed Layer, I'm only set up for SACD so I cant play Hi-Rez DVD-A's. Also was the orignal Limited version 5.1 mix DTS?

Does anyone have any links to confirm any of this, or is it just rumor?

Don't know about the DVD-A that will be coming out, but the current limited edition cd/dvd has a DTS 5.1 surround track. It sounds excellent, but the DVD-A should easily top it sonically.

Is the DVD-A release going to have a DTS mixed Layer, I'm only set up for SACD so I cant play Hi-Rez DVD-A's. Also was the orignal Limited version 5.1 mix DTS?

Does anyone have any links to confirm any of this, or is it just rumor?

The Special Edition surround mix was DTS. Previous PT DVD-A releases have included a DTS mix.

Here is a review of FOABP that mentions the upcoming DVD-A:

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/musicreviews/2243/porcupine-tree-dvd-a.html

r

I have the CD, and I consider this the least of my favorite PT album, I'm glad I didn't pay the inflated price for the surround special edition. Bummer.

I have the CD, and I consider this the least of my favorite PT album, I'm glad I didn't pay the inflated price for the surround special edition. Bummer.


Oh I don't know if I'd call spending $16.99 for a CD and a 5.1 DTS DVD an inflated price! :D

-t

I have the CD, and I consider this the least of my favorite PT album, I'm glad I didn't pay the inflated price for the surround special edition. Bummer.

This CD has rapidly taken the PT place of honor for me, overtaking my previous favorite - Stupid Dream. It reminds me of The Sky Moves Sideways and Deadwing simultaneously, and I eagerly await the DVD-A release come September. Is there any news when Lightbulb Sun is to be remastered to 5:1 sound?

Been listening in 2 channel myself...there will definitely be some layers exposed in DVD A. The music is very addictive and IMO more closely tied to their live performance than previous 5.1 mixes. I like it...give me about 6 bonus tracks and an easter egg and I'll be happy with the DVD A release :D

I wish I could get the DTS 5.1 mix, the DVD-A wont work for me unless there is a DD/DTS layer.

I wish I could get the DTS 5.1 mix, the DVD-A wont work for me unless there is a DD/DTS layer.I'm sure there will be...the others had them.

This CD has rapidly taken the PT place of honor for me, overtaking my previous favorite - Stupid Dream. It reminds me of The Sky Moves Sideways and Deadwing simultaneously, and I eagerly await the DVD-A release come September. Is there any news when Lightbulb Sun is to be remastered to 5:1 sound?


Stupid Dream was like that for me first as well but it grew on me with time, this album still don't do much for me after repeated listening from start to finnish. I like both Deadwing and the Sky Moves Sideways as well, but I don't see[hear] the connection to this album though. Well as always YMMV.

Stupid Dream was like that for me first as well but it grew on me with time, this album still don't do much for me after repeated listening from start to finnish. I like both Deadwing and the Sky Moves Sideways as well, but I don't see[hear] the connection to this album though. Well as always YMMV.


This one took about 3 listens but I like it now.
"Stupid Dream", "In Absentia" and "Deadwing" floored me from the start.

-t

I agree. We all wanted to be completely blown away by this album, and don't get me wrong it is a very good album, but there isn't a "Trains" or "Sound of Muzak"(both solos are extremely fun to play) or "Arriving Somewhere..." All of those songs gave you some kind of hook. I don't hear that in FOABP, except for the rockin' drums in Anesthetize(big Rush fan...Alex needed to let lose a little more at 4:06) and the title track. But the rest...sadly, not listening to them that much...went back to my old WMP playlist with songs from Signify, Stupid Dream, In Absentia, and Deadwing. And yes, I still spin the DVD-As from time to time. I will definitely buy the DVD-A in the fall to complete the collection, but it's more for the stamp collecting mentality than actually jonesing to hear the tunes. IMHO of course. Porcupine Tree still rocks and are one my favorite bands...always trying to get people to listen to these guys...

Anyone know why the gap between CD and DVD-A release? hopefully not to milk extra money from their fans?

If I remember correctly, the band wanted to include some videos plus other extras that they wouldn't have time to do until later for the dvd-a. But they wanted fans to have a multichannel mix before then so just put out the dts disc for now.

I like both Deadwing and the Sky Moves Sideways as well, but I don't see[hear] the connection to this album though.

Take Anesthesize for example. To me the first part sounds like it would comfortably be in place with TSMS, while the second part that follows Lifeson's solo fits in with Deadwing or IA. And there is at least one more track in FOABP that has a similar type of segue in styles - I think it is the one with the Trains sound-alike. At this point I am so taken by FOABP that I'd call it their best recording to date; I can't listen to it often enough. And this is the 2-channel CD version!

Thanks, I'll check those tracks out once again.

Any news on the re-release of this album with the extras announced way back in the Spring?

-t

25 September 2007

Check http://www.burningshed.com/store/porcupinetree soon to pre-order

http://www.porcupinetree.com/news.cfm

Here is some more info to whet your appetite:

FOABP DVD-A - Scheduled for September 25 2007
Blackfield DVD-V - Live in NYC 2007 at the Bowery Ballroom - September 2007
Bass Communion - Pacific Codex CD/DVD-A - September 2007
Lightbulb Sun CD/DVD-A - January 2008
Blackfield I & II CD/DVD-A - Still unknown, but planned.

Thanks Paul, I'll be looking forward to Lightbulb Sun.

FOABP DVD-A now slipped to Oct 1 (as of yesterday I think)

check the website.

Looking forward to all of these . Its been a wallet-busting year so far and I hope that if Steve Wilson does take some time off next year that he spends at least some of it in the studio with his back catalogue ;)

~M~

FOABP DVD-A/V is definitely slipped to October 1.
It is seriously well worth the wait though.
DTS 5.1 is good, but the same tracks in lossless is like the difference between night & day.

FOABP DVD-A/V is definitely slipped to October 1.
It is seriously well worth the wait though.
DTS 5.1 is good, but the same tracks in lossless is like the difference between night & day.

Thanks for posting here Neil. I cut and paste your quotes from QQ :) a couple posts back.

For those of you not familiar with Neil - he is the one doing the finishing (authoring I guess for a better word?? - would that be correct Neil) on these discs so would be the one who has the right information.

FOABP DVD-A/V is definitely slipped to October 1.
It is seriously well worth the wait though.
DTS 5.1 is good, but the same tracks in lossless is like the difference between night & day.


Neil,

Any word on whether or not PT will be supporting the Itrax website with high resolution multi-channel mixes of their stuff? I would LOVE a high resolution multi-channel mix of the Arriving Somewhere concert DVD.

I do not know - although this could be a good idea. I know nothing about this Itrax at all.
Better go & have a look.
I doubt it will happen straight away, but I can assure you if it looks like a good idea, we'll ask Steven & see what he thinks.

FWIW, the "Arriving Somewhere" show does indeed sound great in lossless - and there is talk of a Blu Ray or HD DVD version at one point (the film was shot in HDV at 1080i, converted to 720p full frame by the editor/director (Lasse Hoile - who IMHO is a total genius) and cut/edited at 720p. We then took the 720p version and ran an SD downscale before encoding to MPEG-2 using CCE-SP and a 9-pass encode. Took close to 2 days, but was so well worth it.)
So a lossless version has always been on the cards. it was a matter of cost. Blu Ray is outrageously expensive for SW/PT to get into, and a lossless download site may well be a great thing.

I will check it out - and many thanks for the pointer.

No problem. You may want to PM Dr. AIX on this as I know he has a lot to do with the site in general.

If you are interested in doing an HD DVD of Arriving Somewhere, I could point you to someone as well, at least for encoding questions. I don't remember who handled distribution for Arriving Somewhere on DVD though.

I noticed that PT isn't doing anything with DTS anymore, any reason why? I imagine a DVD-A or a DTS 96/24 mix would be pretty nice.

DTS 5.1 is good, but the same tracks in lossless is like the difference between night & day.

Amen to that! I can attest to this after listening to the Stupid Dream DVD-A. What a difference lossless makes! And many thanks for your work on these releases.

FOABP DVD-A/V is definitely slipped to October 1.
It is seriously well worth the wait though.
DTS 5.1 is good, but the same tracks in lossless is like the difference between night & day.

I wonder what was the reason for DVD-A over SACD. Is it because the band's label, or is it a "preference"? I only favor SACD because it plays as soon as I load it vs clicking through some menus.

I don't remember who handled distribution for Arriving Somewhere on DVD though.
I think it was Snapper Music.

I wonder what was the reason for DVD-A over SACD. Is it because the band's label, or is it a "preference"? I only favor SACD because it plays as soon as I load it vs clicking through some menus.

DVD-A will play as soon as you load it if you just hit the "PLAY" button.
Plus it can include bonus material (videos etc) and will play on all DVD players there are - all 500,000,000 of them.
SACD has issues that I will not go into here. DVD-A/V is a far more user friendly format.
(These are my views though. I have no idea what PT or Stevens views on it are)

I would love to be able to buy a HD DVD of "Arriving Somewhere" with Dolby TrueHD!

I would love to be able to buy a HD DVD of "Arriving Somewhere" with Dolby TrueHD!

I'd be all over that too. Throw some extras in too ;).

Neil: I know you prefer the dvd-a format (so do I) due to the added features you can include, so it would seem that releasing on HD DVD would bring some interesting possibilities. You could have Dolby TrueHd along with HD video, thus offering even more than dvd-audio. I've only seen concerts released so far, and they sound awesome. Having the footage in HD just adds to the experience. What I'm waiting for is this: Albums being released in HD DVD with lossless audio (Dolby TrueHD) with HD video extras. If you've seen the possibilities with PIP and the menu systems I can only imagine what you'd be able to come up with for a Porcupine Tree album released on HD DVD. With dvd-audio you usually had to purchase a new dvd player to play the lossless tracks, with HD DVD everyone will be able to listen to the lossless tracks without switching out to a new player.

I'd be all over that too. Throw some extras in too ;).

Neil: I know you prefer the dvd-a format (so do I) due to the added features you can include, so it would seem that releasing on HD DVD would bring some interesting possibilities. You could have Dolby TrueHd along with HD video, thus offering even more than dvd-audio. I've only seen concerts released so far, and they sound awesome. Having the footage in HD just adds to the experience. What I'm waiting for is this: Albums being released in HD DVD with lossless audio (Dolby TrueHD) with HD video extras. If you've seen the possibilities with PIP and the menu systems I can only imagine what you'd be able to come up with for a Porcupine Tree album released on HD DVD. With dvd-audio you usually had to purchase a new dvd player to play the lossless tracks, with HD DVD everyone will be able to listen to the lossless tracks without switching out to a new player.

I am looking forward to some affordable HD DVD tools being released - Scenarist 4 is just too dear for me at $50,000 for just the basic application (not including any of the interactive stuff) and the Ulead "application" is essentially useless.
Dolby True HD is MLP by another name - and again, I am currently stuffed here as well. The Dolby Media Tools are Mac OSX only, and a whopping $12,000 for the encoder/utilities. If I do go to HD, then Audio will be DTS-HD MAS with the standard "core" at 24/48 for full compliance with all players/decoder combinations.
Dolby "True HD" offers nothing that my existing MLP encoder cannot already do, with the downside that to ensure compliance I will still have to include DD or DD+ streams as not all players can decode True HD - it is mandated for stereo only. Only uncompressed LPCM is actually mandated in 5.1, which will take out (at 24/96) 13.8Mb/sec out of the available 25. Still, it looks better - on paper.
I have found that if I take regular SD DVD, and create itfrom HD source (with the final steps being an SD downscale followed by a multipass M2V encode) then it still looks great & definitely better than SD. The audio can only be LPCM stereo or DTS though, as DD is a waste of bits IMHO.

HD Mainstream?
Don't hold yer breath - you will turn a funny shade of blue! Too many issues.
Both formats are flawed & broken already.

What you ought to do before the HD-DVD version of Arriving Somewhere comes out is get MOJO to show the HD version for those of us without HD-DVD capability.[sounds like a good idea to me]

What you ought to do before the HD-DVD version of Arriving Somewhere comes out is get MOJO to show the HD version for those of us without HD-DVD capability.[sounds like a good idea to me]

What HD DVD version is that then?
I obviously didn't make myself quite clear - there was talk of an HD version (Blu Ray or HD DVD) but AFAIK, nothing came of it.
Far, far too expensive.
The HD version was screened in a Hollywood Theatre last year for the Fan Club, complete with the 5.1 lossless mix.
That is all.

Ok I meant if one does ever come out in the future.

DVD-A will play as soon as you load it if you just hit the "PLAY" button.
Plus it can include bonus material (videos etc) and will play on all DVD players there are - all 500,000,000 of them.
SACD has issues that I will not go into here. DVD-A/V is a far more user friendly format.
(These are my views though. I have no idea what PT or Stevens views on it are)

Some are play with one click some with 2-3 times you have to hit play or "select" after waiting for some dumb menu to be loaded, some defaults to the lossy mix, etc..... Definitelly not more user friendly in my book.


Stupid Dream BTW plays right away soon after loading without me doing anything else. BRAVO! If it's one your "creation" then you should author every DVD-A out there, or at least tell 'em the "know how" . :)

The HD version was screened in a Hollywood Theatre last year for the Fan Club, complete with the 5.1 lossless mix.

Neil...

I thought it screened at 720p with a 24/96 DTS stream encode at 1.5 off of the DTS XD10 Cinema Media Player, no?

It sounded, and looked, fantastic

Neil...

I thought it screened at 720p with a 24/96 DTS stream encode at 1.5 off of the DTS XD10 Cinema Media Player, no?

It sounded, and looked, fantastic

What!!!! I'm jealous!!

You have to show it in Boston too. Let me know when...:D

-t

I am looking forward to some affordable HD DVD tools being released - Scenarist 4 is just too dear for me at $50,000 for just the basic application (not including any of the interactive stuff) and the Ulead "application" is essentially useless.
Dolby True HD is MLP by another name - and again, I am currently stuffed here as well. The Dolby Media Tools are Mac OSX only, and a whopping $12,000 for the encoder/utilities. If I do go to HD, then Audio will be DTS-HD MAS with the standard "core" at 24/48 for full compliance with all players/decoder combinations.
Dolby "True HD" offers nothing that my existing MLP encoder cannot already do, with the downside that to ensure compliance I will still have to include DD or DD+ streams as not all players can decode True HD - it is mandated for stereo only. Only uncompressed LPCM is actually mandated in 5.1, which will take out (at 24/96) 13.8Mb/sec out of the available 25. Still, it looks better - on paper.
I have found that if I take regular SD DVD, and create itfrom HD source (with the final steps being an SD downscale followed by a multipass M2V encode) then it still looks great & definitely better than SD. The audio can only be LPCM stereo or DTS though, as DD is a waste of bits IMHO.

HD Mainstream?
Don't hold yer breath - you will turn a funny shade of blue! Too many issues.
Both formats are flawed & broken already.


Very interesting take on things from your side of the house.

BUT, there are some points here to bring up.

Dolby TrueHD decoding is only mandated at 2-channel, BUT there is not a single HD DVD player on the market that can't decode TrueHD in full 5.1.

DTS-HD MA on the other hand can't be decoded by ANYTHING, only the core 5.1 can, making it essentially vaporwear. Sure there are receivers hitting the market right now that can decode it, but there is nothing out there that will send the bitstream to it to decode.

Personally, I would like to see a concert DVD-A (I know, you lose the video, but I could live with it:D) or a DTS 96/24 DVD.

Another idea is to master it for HD DVD and just release the ISO file for a fee similar to what PT does on its website already for audio tracks. Then anyone with a DVD burner and internet could download it and burn it to a disc (remember that HD DVD works just fine on standard red laser DVD discs, so long as the ISO fits).

You could essentially releases high resolution DVD-A like this as well, foregoing the standard release market and making the ISO files available for download for a price. People simply download it and burn it to a DVD. Pretty simple!!!!

BUT, there are some points here to bring up.

Dolby TrueHD decoding is only mandated at 2-channel, BUT there is not a single HD DVD player on the market that can't decode TrueHD in full 5.1.


Kris.... I think the spec is 8 channel lossles decoding mandatory, minimum 2 channel output madatory.

Functional Requirements:
1) Lossless codec should be mathematically lossless.
2) Support for up to 8 channels (7.1) source audio.
3) Support for stereo output.
4) Support for 6 channel output when source audio is greater than or equal to 6 channels. (e.g. 7.1 to 5.1
channels).
5) Support for a minimum of 2 channel analog output.
6) Support for protected digital outputs with bandwidth greater than S/PDIF (e.g. HDMI).
7) Ability to integrate with lossy codecs to support legacy devices.
Key Performance Requirements:
1) Lossless audio should be mathematically lossless (bit-for-bit accurate to the source).
2) A maximum of 8 channels (8.0 or 7.1) shall be supported for primary video.
3) A minimum of 2 channel output shall be supported by the player.
a. Player shall support 2 channel output when source is greater than or equal to two channels (e.g.
7.1, 5.1).
b. 2 channel output should be lossless or controlled by metadata provided in the audio stream (i.e.
controlled by content owner).

What!!!! I'm jealous!!

You have to show it in Boston too. Let me know when...:D

-t

It was a really cool show... I was helping a dear friend set up the audio and video for the show...

In addition to being at that show, I had the privilege to meet and talk with the band :) Needless to say, it was a fantastic night.

Very interesting take on things from your side of the house.

Dolby TrueHD decoding is only mandated at 2-channel, BUT there is not a single HD DVD player on the market that can't decode TrueHD in full 5.1.

DTS-HD MA on the other hand can't be decoded by ANYTHING, only the core 5.1 can, making it essentially vaporwear. Sure there are receivers hitting the market right now that can decode it, but there is nothing out there that will send the bitstream to it to decode.

Personally, I would like to see a concert DVD-A (I know, you lose the video, but I could live with it:D) or a DTS 96/24 DVD.

Another idea is to master it for HD DVD and just release the ISO file for a fee similar to what PT does on its website already for audio tracks. Then anyone with a DVD burner and internet could download it and burn it to a disc (remember that HD DVD works just fine on standard red laser DVD discs, so long as the ISO fits).

You could essentially releases high resolution DVD-A like this as well, foregoing the standard release market and making the ISO files available for download for a price. People simply download it and burn it to a DVD. Pretty simple!!!!

Dolby TrueHD may not actually output in 5.1 - it may well just output in Stereo on some players.
But this is a "by-the-by" as I for one am going nowhere near HD yet.
Too expensive.
Broken & Flawed.
Does *not* work properly in the UK either (no PAL support).

A DVD-A of the concert would IMHO be a good idea. I have been toying with running this past the guys.
A downloadable ISO image is also another fine idea. I do not know what the management or the labels will think about this though, but I do not know how licensing works. Presumably (and this is me thinking out loud) it would be along the lines of the Lossless Surround being licensed separately to the DTS or stereo. Again - it is probably worth running past the guys.

Dolby TrueHD may not actually output in 5.1 - it may well just output in Stereo on some players.
But this is a "by-the-by" as I for one am going nowhere near HD yet.
Too expensive.
Broken & Flawed.
Does *not* work properly in the UK either (no PAL support).


No, it outputs in 5.1 from every player via HDMI and multi-channel analog out. I've tested every HD DVD player available on the market so I can pretty much confirm this is not an issue.

PAL support shouldn't matter either since films are shot at 24fps and ALL HD DVD and Blu-ray titles are encoded as either 1080p24, 1080p30(HD DVD only), or 1080i60. PAL is a non issue with HDTV and is pretty much a relic of the older systems. Unless of course you are working with a native 25 or 50Hz source. But I hear you on the price issue, completely understandable.

PAL support shouldn't matter either since films are shot at 24fps and ALL HD DVD and Blu-ray titles are encoded as either 1080p24, 1080p30(HD DVD only), or 1080i60. PAL is a non issue with HDTV and is pretty much a relic of the older systems. Unless of course you are working with a native 25 or 50Hz source. But I hear you on the price issue, completely understandable.

It definitely does matter!
With 24p films, all players do a 3:2 to output at 29.97 on the fly.
(This information has come from Abbey Road Interactive)
PAL is not a "non issue" by a long way.

Apparently things are going to change in October with HD DVD (When the film grade implementation will be updated to include PAL at 25fps) but we still don't know what is happening with Blu Ray.
Neither camp is planning on supporting 50i - apparently it is "under consideration".

It definitely does matter!
With 24p films, all players do a 3:2 to output at 29.97 on the fly.
(This information has come from Abbey Road Interactive)
PAL is not a "non issue" by a long way.

Apparently things are going to change in October with HD DVD (When the film grade implementation will be updated to include PAL at 25fps) but we still don't know what is happening with Blu Ray.
Neither camp is planning on supporting 50i - apparently it is "under consideration".

Players right now are only outputting 1080p60 or 1080i60 (or scaled down versions) with HD DVD. There will be 24p direct output next month. I don't know of any player converting to 29.97??? The only player doing 1080p properly on the HD DVD side is the XA2 for I/P conversion.

2-2 cadence is supported by the XA2, so 25fps sources shouldn't be much of an issue. Or they could just do a pure 25p output for PAL sources.

Players right now are only outputting 1080p60 or 1080i60 (or scaled down versions) with HD DVD. There will be 24p direct output next month. I don't know of any player converting to 29.97??? The only player doing 1080p properly on the HD DVD side is the XA2 for I/P conversion.

2-2 cadence is supported by the XA2, so 25fps sources shouldn't be much of an issue. Or they could just do a pure 25p output for PAL sources.

1080p60 & 1080i60 are both NTSC video formats.
(when these specs talk about "30" fps, they actually mean "29.97", so 60 = 59.94)

Players right now are only outputting 1080p60 or 1080i60 (or scaled down versions) with HD DVD. There will be 24p direct output next month. I don't know of any player converting to 29.97??? The only player doing 1080p properly on the HD DVD side is the XA2 for I/P conversion.

2-2 cadence is supported by the XA2, so 25fps sources shouldn't be much of an issue. Or they could just do a pure 25p output for PAL sources.

1080p60 & 1080i60 are both NTSC video formats.
(when these specs talk about "30" fps, they actually mean "29.97", so 60 = 59.94 & also 24p very, very rarely actually means 24 - it is usually 23.976)

HDTV has NOTHING to do with NTSC. It is part of the ATSC. PAL and NTSC do not exist in this format. Film is 24p, HD DVD and Blu-ray are encoded at the native framerate of the source (whenever possible, some video products are different such as 30p). I agree that the players are outputting 1080p60 because North American displays namely accept 60Hz, but all HDTV displays should accept these resolutions as they are part of the ATSC spec.

I am also well aware of the timing offsets. This is something a lot of product manufacturers are unaware of which is why you see issues with frame drops with displays and video processors that are out there. I know of at least one major video processing chip that programmed their chip so that 24p was actually 24p and not 23.974. This is also a big problem with 48Hz.

HDTV has NOTHING to do with NTSC. It is part of the ATSC. PAL and NTSC do not exist in this format. Film is 24p, HD DVD and Blu-ray are encoded at the native framerate of the source (whenever possible, some video products are different such as 30p). I agree that the players are outputting 1080p60 because North American displays namely accept 60Hz, but all HDTV displays should accept these resolutions as they are part of the ATSC spec.

I am also well aware of the timing offsets. This is something a lot of product manufacturers are unaware of which is why you see issues with frame drops with displays and video processors that are out there. I know of at least one major video processing chip that programmed their chip so that 24p was actually 24p and not 23.974. This is also a big problem with 48Hz.


It's OT but....Kris can you name the brands that may be using this chip?

-t

I agree that the players are outputting 1080p60 because North American displays namely accept 60Hz, but all HDTV displays should accept these resolutions as they are part of the ATSC spec.

I am also well aware of the timing offsets. This is something a lot of product manufacturers are unaware of which is why you see issues with frame drops with displays and video processors that are out there. I know of at least one major video processing chip that programmed their chip so that 24p was actually 24p and not 23.974. This is also a big problem with 48Hz.

Kris - thank you!
You're actually helping make my point for me.
If I start out with a PAL file, it must be converted to NTSC to author a Blu Ray or an HD DVD disc. And this is not good. No, actually it is unacceptable.
Neither Blu Ray or HD DVD have PAL options - it just isn't in the specs.
HD DVD will have this from October, when the film grade implementation gets sorted out. There is no knowing when Blu Ray will implement this.
Neither format plans to include 50i - apparently it is "under consideration".

Ask both Abbey Road Interactive and Sonic Professional in the UK.
They are the people who told me.

I understand the pain of this for sources that are already PAL. So I take it what you are working with was shot in PAL or is being upconverted from a PAL source??

Unless the content you are dealing with was shot in 25p or 50p, it shouldn't be an issue. Most HD content is shot at either 24 or 30p. Films being 24p and most HD video content is 30p.

I understand the pain of this for sources that are already PAL. So I take it what you are working with was shot in PAL or is being upconverted from a PAL source??

As I said - no PAL support. I am London based, so yes - most of my clients are working in Digital PAL formats.

Unless the content you are dealing with was shot in 25p or 50p, it shouldn't be an issue.

Well, as I live & work in London.........

Most HD content is shot at either 24 or 30p. Films being 24p and most HD video content is 30p.

Not in Europe, it isn't. Most digital - be it SD or HD - is at 25p, with some HD at 50i (HDV etc)
It is rare to get digital 24p footage, this is usually created at Print Mastering or in Post.
There is a larger market than just the USA/Japan!

Gotcha. I didn't realize they were shooting in HD at 25p there. I can definitely see why that would be frustrating.

50i is equally frustrating.....

Pre-Order for FOABP is up at http://www.burningshed.com/store/porcupinetree/product/169/639/

"A special limited edition audiophile 5.1 surround sound version of PT’s acclaimed 2007 album, released on the band’s own Transmission imprint. Features the 5.1 mix of the album in advanced resolution/MLP lossless 5.1 surround, DTS 5.1 digital surround sound, and 24 bit stereo, as well as all 4 tracks from the Nil Recurring mini album in surround sound. The disc also includes three video works directed by Lasse Hoile: a special Blank Planet Introduction short film, the uncensored version of the Fear of a Blank Planet promo video, and the full length 17 minute film for Anesthetize as seen during the band’s live shows."

All for $17 US!!!!
It's so great to have some great surround music to get our hands on, thanks Neil for all the updates and hard work :)

Pre-Order for FOABP is up at http://www.burningshed.com/store/porcupinetree/product/169/639/



All for $17 US!!!!
It's so great to have some great surround music to get our hands on, thanks Neil for all the updates and hard work :)

\o/

Ordered!

Thanks for the tip. This Nil's recurred an order :-) Now if we can get Neil Wilkes to take on the surround remastering of Genesis-Peter Gabriel era, my cup will runneth over.

Thanks for the tip. This Nil's recurred an order :-) Now if we can get Neil Wilkes to take on the surround remastering of Genesis-Peter Gabriel era, my cup will runneth over.

Yes! If Neil did the Genesis set I'd buy it. It's a shame with so few releases that something could get so ****ed up :mad:

I have pre-ordered my copy, and one for my brother.

But I have no idea when it will be released. Does anyone know?

Pre-ordered mine too!

Ditto on release date anyone??

-t

10-1-07 was the last report.

Yeap I got mine ordered too

I'm in. This is one of their best IMO.

thanks for the link- pre-ordered as well-can't wait.
thetman

Just ordered too, thanks.

Ordered! :D

Just placed my order through Burningshed. Got my fingers crossed!

Just placed my order through Burningshed. Got my fingers crossed!Why...they've always come through for me...buy with confidence.

Anyone get their DVD-A of FOABP yet from Burningshed? I know it's coming from across the pond, but I got the last DVD from them in three days...

Anyone get there DVD-A of FOABP yet from Burningshed? I know it's coming from across the pond, but I got the last DVD from them in three days...

My order was placed on 9/9, but so far it hasn't shown up.

Guys, it is due to ship this week some time.

"Preorder this item now - scheduled shipping week commencing 1st October."

No complaints...just checking...

ordered

FYI

Someone in another forum emailed Burning Shed about this. Burning Shed's reply:

"We are starting shipping them tomorrow - they should all be in the post by Thursday night"

_________________________

Seems to me last time I ordered through Burning Shed they sent an email when they shipped.

FYI

Someone in another forum emailed Burning Shed about this. Burning Shed's reply:

"We are starting shipping them tomorrow - they should all be in the post by Thursday night"

_________________________

Seems to me last time I ordered through Burning Shed they sent an email when they shipped.

Yes. The last time I ordered they sent me a heads-up by email...

-t

I can't wait, but in the mean time I did receive my Nil Recurring cd, some really awesome stuff!! I think the song 'Cheating the Polygraph' has some of Gavin's finest drumming. Check it out if you haven't.

Received my email 5 minutes ago that it shipped. :)

Just too bad there is a mail strike in the UK right now.

From Reuters Oct 4:

The first set of 48-hour strikes is due to begin at lunchtime on Thursday and end midday on Oct 6., while the second is set to begin on Oct 8 and finish in the early hours of October 10.

An unspecified programme of weekly strikes, starting in the week beginning October 15, is set to follow until the dispute is resolved.

Royal Mail said on its Web site that its priority would be to keep mail flowing.

received my email today that it shipped...whooo hooo

received my email today that it shipped...whooo hooo

Must have gone to everybody on their order list - me too. Hopefully my amplifier is back from repair by the time it gets here!

Is this going to be available in the US like their other hi-res disks?

At the moment only through burningshed I believe.

I ordered mine through a local record/cd store.

The FOABP DVD-A is being released by the band's own label, Transmission, as opposed to the IA and Deadwing DVD-A's, which were released by DTS. This limits its availability.

I just received my copy in the mail today. I live in Melbourne, Australia.
I haven't had a chance to listen to it yet (I've only got a very crappy system at the moment anyway, but I'm getting a VERY good system in about a month or so which is when I'll really be able to see how good this release is)

At any rate, I'm very excited about hearing the surround mix.

my copy arrived today as well. I will post a review in a couple hours, so far looks and sounds great.

So let's see here...Australia, California,....I should get mine Friday.
And they're coming from England which is closer to me than you folks???
:D
-t

I haven't listened to the entire disc yet, so I will add more later:
The disc opens up fairly quickly to a nice menu screen (about 20 seconds). Of course I went straight to the dvd-audio tracks since I already have the dts disc. So far I've only played this on my computer. On the computer I can easily switch between the Creative Dvd-Audio player and the Power DVD player for comparisons of the dts tracks vs. the dvd-audio tracks. On the first song "Fear of a Blank Planet" there is a big difference to my ears between the dvd-audio track and the dts track. The dvd-audio version is a lot more open, the vocals clearer. It seems to be an entirely different mix between the speakers. I haven't compared the rest of the album yet.
On to the video portion of the disc. As I stated, a nice menu comes up with options for the usual: playlist, audio select and extras. Extras: Videos, bonus tracks, lyrics.
Videos: Fear of a blank planet (intro) - A creepy mix of video/slides with trippy music. Dialogue and footage of teens overkill to tv, video game, pills and violence.
Video: Fear of a Blank Planet (uncesnsored) - Similar to what's seen on the background at a PT concert mixed to the song. Sweet in 5.1 DTS.
Video: Anesthesize - Great (long) video with awesome time lapse photography. Full length version.
The lyrics look like they have to be accessed one song at a time. It appears you can't have the song playing to the lyrics.
Bonus Tracks: Nil Recurring, Normal, Cheating the Polygraph, and What Happens Now. I haven't given these a thorough listen, the first track is an instrumental, the second track "Normal" I liked quite a bit upon first listen.
Overall a great album and great package, my ratings:
Audio Mix: 9.5 (great mix, but I enjoyed other PT album mixes a bit more)
Album (music): 8 (have to listen more than once, starts to grow on you)
Extras: 10 (4 bonus songs and 3 music videos all in surround)
Value: 10 (A bargain for everything included and a rare dvd-a release)
Overall: 9.5 (Great band, mix, not my favorite PT album, but a must have.)

Fair review...I got mine today too. Picked through everything and enjoyed it. I didn't want to double dip so only had the CD...a huge improvement in vocals, dynamics, depth and texture. I always felt this is a much darker and denser offering that deserved many repeats to get the most out of it. I really enjoyed Nil Recurring tracks in DVD A, a lot to offer there. The videos are interesting, but I'd seen them before...nice to have.

Maybe I don't have the right version, but the copy of FOABP I got has two discs, one is the CD and the other a DVD with the DTS mix and the 24 bit stereo. I don't see any videos on it and for some reason I can't figure out how to get it to play the DVD-Audio tracks. Do I have the wrong version for DVD-A?

Maybe I don't have the right version, but the copy of FOABP I got has two discs, one is the CD and the other a DVD with the DTS mix and the 24 bit stereo. I don't see any videos on it and for some reason I can't figure out how to get it to play the DVD-Audio tracks. Do I have the wrong version for DVD-A?

Yes, the CD/DVD-V pair (with lossy dts tracks) was released first (quite some time ago).

The DVD-A was just released and shipped Oct 1. Available from burningshed.com

Maybe I don't have the right version, but the copy of FOABP I got has two discs, one is the CD and the other a DVD with the DTS mix and the 24 bit stereo. I don't see any videos on it and for some reason I can't figure out how to get it to play the DVD-Audio tracks. Do I have the wrong version for DVD-A?

What you have is the Limited Edition version which turned out to be an actual "Limited Edition". There are some folks that would like to have that edition as well!

-t

Well I was notified of shipping the DVD-A a week ago Friday (10/5/07) and still have not received the disc. Looks like I need to contact Burning Shed to find it.

Well I was notified of shipping the DVD-A a week ago Friday (10/5/07) and still have not received the disc. Looks like I need to contact Burning Shed to find it.
You might want to wait a few more days. There was a postal strike in the UK, so your copy may have gotten delayed. Mine arrived in Florida on the 10th or 11th, and BS sent me my notification on the 4th. So throwing in a couple days delay, and an extra day to get to CO instead of FL, and maybe yours will arrive tomorrow or the next day.

I'm always amazed at the variation inherent in the postal system. I'll get two email from Amazon about separate orders shipping out on the same day but possibly different warehouses, and the identically-sized packages arriving a week apart for no good reason.

Anyway, back to FOABP DVDA: I took a listen (at moderate volume, unfortunately, due to someone requesting it...), and found it to be mixed no differently from the DVD-V, but the MLP seems much clearer. Things like multi-voice vocals are much better separated, and everything is just a bit less muddy.

The mix isn't as aggressive as previous albums, but that seems to work here - the music envelopes you more, whereas albums like In Absentia and Stupid Dream "surround" you, but aren't as enveloping. In other words, rather than have the various instruments pushed out to the four corners, or between speakers at front or back or either side, the mix is centered on the listener, with a slight front bias, and a general spread for some aspects to the extremities. Dunno if that makes any sense...

shinksma

FOABP's mix is more typical of their live presentation, IMO. It's like hearing PT live in 3D, rather than studio 5.1...if you get my drift. I also think the Bonus tracks are amongst the best mixed surround tracks I've heard.

Well I was notified of shipping the DVD-A a week ago Friday (10/5/07) and still have not received the disc. Looks like I need to contact Burning Shed to find it.

Same here. Notified on 10/5/07 as well. Mine has not arrived up here in Canada yet.:(
I'll wait a few more days.


Take Care

I pre ordered mine when it was first announced. It shipped the day it was released but I did not get it until this last saturday and I live in Idaho. So hang in there

Remember, there are remenants of a postal strike still ongoing in the UK right now. I ordered something from Antimatter and Mick Moss replied stating that it might be a couple days before it gets going.

I ordered this 2 days ago and cannot wait to get it. I have not heard the cd but have their other 2 DVDA discs and love them both. The only other thing I have of theirs is the Up on the Downstair double cd (killer).

There is suppossed to be a 4th Porcupine Tree album coming out on DVDA sometime. It was mentioned in an article in Sound and Vision magazine, I can't remember which one.....does anyone know which album this would be?

There is suppossed to be a 4th Porcupine Tree album coming out on DVDA sometime. It was mentioned in an article in Sound and Vision magazine, I can't remember which one.....does anyone know which album this would be?

I think you will be happy to be corrected: You mean a 5th Porcupine Tree Album. :)

DVD-A list:

1. Deadwing (http://www.amazon.com/Deadwing-Porcupine-Tree/dp/B0007ZEBI0******sr_1_29/104-7783026-8820724?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1192548598&sr=8-29)
2. In Absentia (http://www.amazon.com/Absentia-Porcupine-Tree/dp/B00016POFE******sr_1_20/104-7783026-8820724?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1192548598&sr=8-20)
3. Stupid Dreams (http://www.amazon.com/Stupid-Dream-Porcupine-Tree/dp/B000FVRRH8******pd_bbs_sr_4/104-7783026-8820724?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1192548551&sr=8-4)
4. Fear of a Blank Planet (http://www.burningshed.com/store/porcupinetree/product/51/639/)
5. Lightbulb Sun (?Coming soon?)

Arriving Somewhere (http://www.amazon.com/Arriving-Somewhere-Porcupine-Tree/dp/B000I2IT44******pd_bbs_sr_3/104-7783026-8820724?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1192548551&sr=8-3) is supposed to be pretty good as well.

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3. Stupid Dream (http://www.amazon.com/Stupid-Dream-Porcupine-Tree/dp/B000FVRRH8******pd_bbs_sr_1/104-0233184-3316703?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1192562700&sr=8-1)

fix'd (singular, not plural)

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And Neil recently reported that they started on Lightbulb Sun, so that'll indeed be the next one. REJOICE!

I think you will be happy to be corrected: You mean a 5th Porcupine Tree Album. :)

DVD-A list:

1. Deadwing (http://www.amazon.com/Deadwing-Porcupine-Tree/dp/B0007ZEBI0******sr_1_29/104-7783026-8820724?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1192548598&sr=8-29)
2. In Absentia (http://www.amazon.com/Absentia-Porcupine-Tree/dp/B00016POFE******sr_1_20/104-7783026-8820724?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1192548598&sr=8-20)
3. Stupid Dreams (http://www.amazon.com/Stupid-Dream-Porcupine-Tree/dp/B000FVRRH8******pd_bbs_sr_4/104-7783026-8820724?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1192548551&sr=8-4)
4. Fear of a Blank Planet (http://www.burningshed.com/store/porcupinetree/product/51/639/)
5. Lightbulb Sun (?Coming soon?)

Arriving Somewhere (http://www.amazon.com/Arriving-Somewhere-Porcupine-Tree/dp/B000I2IT44******pd_bbs_sr_3/104-7783026-8820724?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1192548551&sr=8-3) is supposed to be pretty good as well.

Your right, I was so tired I forgot about Absentia which is with my dvd audio disc's that have the big case...forgot about it.

Same here. Notified on 10/5/07 as well. Mine has not arrived up here in Canada yet.:(
I'll wait a few more days.


Take Care

Well.... it was worth the wait!
Mine arrived today, 10/16/07 (with a broken case) and sounds fine so far.
Needs a few more listens.

Take Care

Mine arrived today!!! I can't wait to get home and play it. unfortunately its only noon :P

physically intact, thankfully.

I received mine today...thankfully it arrived in MINT condition. If there were one thing I would ask of Burning Shed, it would be to package their product better.

I always enjoy the DVDA versions of the PT stuff, some might argue hearing a difference between the DTS and DVDA, but I think I can. I'm not positive that the mixes are different, but I seem to perceive that difference...

I'm so looking forward to the 'Lightbulb Sun' release in DVDA, 'Stupid Dream' and 'Lightbulb Sun' are my two favorite albums...but FOABP comes close. 'In Abesntia' was a great album too, perhpas the best mix I've ever heard, but to me it just wasn't as complete an album as SD or LS. Personally, I thought Deadwing was their worst album so far....

I'm not positive that the mixes are different, but I seem to perceive that difference...

I'm so looking forward to the 'Lightbulb Sun' release in DVDA, 'Stupid Dream' and 'Lightbulb Sun' are my two favorite albums...but FOABP comes close. 'In Abesntia' was a great album too, perhpas the best mix I've ever heard, but to me it just wasn't as complete an album as SD or LS. Personally, I thought Deadwing was their worst album so far....

The mixes are identical.
The MLP & DTS streams were encoded from the same master mix.
What you are hearing is the definite & clearly audible difference between perceptual & lossless encoding.
As someone said to me recently - VBR varies the bitrate, where CBR can only vary the quality. It's especially obvious on this album because the mixes are so dense.

Lightbulb Sun is going to be awesome too.....

Lightbulb Sun is going to be awesome too.....

any updates on this? I've never listened to Lightbulb Sun, just got into PT in the last year or so due to the excellent dvd-audio releases and now will buy all multichannel releases to support the bands efforts.

Wow, just got my copy today and it's excellent. Listened one time thru the FOABP tracks and now spinning the Nil Recurring stuff.

For the record, Deadwing is my fav of the MC releases, followed by Stupid Dream. Keep it coming. I can 't wait for Lightbulb Sun next.

any updates on this? I've never listened to Lightbulb Sun, just got into PT in the last year or so due to the excellent dvd-audio releases and now will buy all multichannel releases to support the bands efforts.

This was posted in another forum by someone who's name is in the credits for the FOABP DVD-A. (I'm being a little vague because I didn't ask permission to repost.)

"Look out for Lightbulb Sun [DVD-A] in January at the latest too.......
2007 Remix/Remaster plus 3 bonus tracks."

This was posted in another forum by someone who's name is in the credits for the FOABP DVD-A. (I'm being a little vague because I didn't ask permission to repost.)

"Look out for Lightbulb Sun [DVD-A] in January at the latest too.......
2007 Remix/Remaster plus 3 bonus tracks."

Don't worry - Neil has been posting to this thread as well :)

It feels to me that the sound on the disc lends itself to playing LOUD without any distortion. I was looking forward to doing that Saturday morning but now we are having guests instead...

Neil, this is no criticism on the excellent authoring of this disc, but if I were to churlishly and audaciously pick a nit, it would be that on the other albums, the album proper automatically segued into the bonus tracks after a slight pause. I guess this was not possible here because the bonus tracks on FoaBP were only in multichannel


edit: in actual fact it DOES go automatically to the bonus trax. I apologize for being churlish and impatient

Just ordered the DVD-A. This will be my first Porcupine Tree album. I haven't even heard their music yet except for the clips on their myspace. Can't wait to check it out.

I envy you gixx, I think this is a great intro to PT. It has both their heavy elements and psychedellic elements all wrapped into one. While I like all their releases and think they are all quite genius in their own way, I'm partial to the more mellow stuff (even though I'm a huge metal head as well), like Stupid Dream and Lightbulb Sun. I might suggest after listening to FOABP to go back to Stupid Dream and start listening up to FOABP, then after than, I might suggest checking out their earlier stuff...the Coma Divine live 2 disc set from Rome is mind blowing!

You'll wonder what to play next if you play PT early in the evening, simply because nothing can quite compare....