View Full Version : mitsu hd1000 vs hc1100


shift_grind
02-10-07, 11:50 AM
within a week or 2 of pulling the trigger, im torn between the two, 1100 is the newer model, and seems to be about 300 more (900 vs 1200). i think ive decided against lcd proj for 1 big reason, SDE. saw a epson 810 from 11', 116" image and wasn't impressed with sde, and looked kinda washed out.....

anyone A/B the two? ive heard the 1100 is similiar to the 3000, better contrast but not as bright. this may lead me to the 1000, i have a 120" screen, sitting around 11-13' feet.

material will be video games (savings over planned 810 will allow a xbox360) ps2

OTA HD, some regular analog cable

DVD (oppo971 upscalling player, faroudja chip)

light can be pretty controlled, i can get rid of 90%+ during the day, but would still like the option of having some light.

nightfly13
02-10-07, 12:01 PM
As a hd1000 owner I'd say go for the cheaper model (as I did). If you use it for gaming in the day, the small but appreciable contrast difference (1100's better) will be moot, but the brightness of the hd1000 will come in handy. I think between the two, only the batcave videophile on a budget chooses the hc1100. Thrilled with my hd1000u, although for your ps2 I should say I'm not in love with the sd performance on the 1000.

shift_grind
02-10-07, 12:13 PM
by sd, you mean standard definition?? all these codes are hard to keep up with

underwhelm
02-10-07, 12:39 PM
by sd, you mean standard definition?? all these codes are hard to keep up with

SDE= screen door effect (visibility of the dark space between the pixels)

shift_grind
02-10-07, 01:15 PM
i know what sde is, he said SD........which could mean screen door effect, or standard definition since ps2 is mostly 480i

nightfly13
02-10-07, 03:02 PM
you're right shift - I meant standard def. Watched 3h of s-video tonight and... yeah not the strength of this projector.

shift_grind
02-10-07, 04:11 PM
UGH - cant use it anyways.....7'3" ceilings, 120" screen put the image 6" from the ground which is no good....

back to square 1

projectorcentral's calculator doesn't show this...had to go to mitsu's site.

edit......well i suppose i could tilt the screen...i just dont want to keystone....how much tilt are we talking??

muzz
02-10-07, 04:31 PM
UGH - cant use it anyways.....7'3" ceilings, 120" screen put the image 6" from the ground which is no good....

back to square 1

projectorcentral's calculator doesn't show this...had to go to mitsu's site.

edit......well i suppose i could tilt the screen...i just dont want to keystone....how much tilt are we talking??

Alot of folks here use Keystone on their 1000U to allevaite this problem, some swear it's not a real detriment at all.
There is actually a thread in this very forum with that in the title.

Other options are:
Get a smaller offset DLP unit, IE: IN76, or Sharp DT-500/XV-Z3000 , but these both cost more $ ( 500 is app. 1500).
Or go with LCD, which has alot more flexibility in regards to placement due to it's Lens Shift feature.
I have a DT500, and the offset isn't bad at all.

Good Luck

bluerider
02-10-07, 04:44 PM
The reason I went with the HC1100 over the Hd1000 was the improved colour wheel which has a larger red segment. Also no white segment on the wheel - a big plus for contrast. Great review at Cine4home site - they say the 1100 is almost as good as the HC3100.

The picture is fantastic - using it in low lamp mode on a 110" screen - no brightness issues. If watching movies or playing games during the day, I switch to standard lamp mode.

shift_grind
02-10-07, 06:02 PM
sounds good guys.....the 1100 must have just come out, its kind of hard to find for sale....i cant find it anywhere for a good price.

i have a mitsu CRT RPTV 65" and am always impressed with it, id really like to stay with mitsu, they make alot better product then others ive seen

fs123
02-10-07, 07:10 PM
right now the only reason to go with a 1100 is if you are willing to go with an importer since it almost double the amount here in the states.

dysfunction26
02-11-07, 04:15 PM
As a hd1000 owner I'd say go for the cheaper model (as I did). If you use it for gaming in the day, the small but appreciable contrast difference (1100's better) will be moot, but the brightness of the hd1000 will come in handy. I think between the two, only the batcave videophile on a budget chooses the hc1100. Thrilled with my hd1000u, although for your ps2 I should say I'm not in love with the sd performance on the 1000.

Is standard definition going to be unwatchable? I am going to have my digital cable and HD programming hooked up to the projector as well. I am using it for ALL television, DVD and gaming (Nintendo Wii). Would the HD70 handle SD better than the HD1000U? I will hook the HD cable receiver through component cables, as well as the Wii. My upscaling dvd player will be using the HDMI input.

shift_grind
02-11-07, 05:48 PM
i dont think you'll find any projector that looks good at 120"+ and regular cable/sat....

dysfunction26
02-11-07, 06:09 PM
i dont think you'll find any projector that looks good at 120"+ and regular cable/sat....

I'm only going to have a 92" screen, maybe even an 84". Would that work?

nightfly13
02-11-07, 10:14 PM
I would not call SD unwatchable by any means, but it's definately less crisp than what I've seen on other projectors. But I haven't tried sd over component (a progressive signal) so I can't say how that would be. Might be fine. HD is just night and day superior.

bqmeister
02-11-07, 10:35 PM
I never thought I'd say this, but I can't watch SD on my projector. Maybe eventually when I'm watching over component, but I won't watch anything over S-Video.

I'm finding myself recording HD shows I've never seen before just to watch them on my projector. If it's not HD, or DVD, I'm not watching it

dysfunction26
02-12-07, 12:41 AM
I would not call SD unwatchable by any means, but it's definately less crisp than what I've seen on other projectors. But I haven't tried sd over component (a progressive signal) so I can't say how that would be. Might be fine. HD is just night and day superior.


Cool. Well I will be using component cables for my HD cable box (no HDMI on the one I have). I have an RPTV, which is a low end model, from 3 or 4 years ago, so I couldn't imagine it being much worse than this.

bluerider
02-12-07, 01:28 PM
right now the only reason to go with a 1100 is if you are willing to go with an importer since it almost double the amount here in the states.

I'm in Canada and I did go with an importer, but I got it at about the same price as I could get the HD1000 ($1350). The only possible downside is that my HC1100 would have to go to Japan for warranty work, but it can be serviced here after the 1 year warranty expires.

Mitsubishi has an excellent track record for reliability, so I took the gamble for higher PQ!

gwlaw99
02-12-07, 01:51 PM
There is a good review of the 1100 on www.cine4home.com

The difference is that the 1100 has no white segment which gives it better contrast but makes it less bright.

seraph
02-14-07, 03:42 PM
Not only does the HC1100 have no white segment, as others have said it has the improved color wheel they put in the 3100 which provides for amazing color settings out of the box, and it also has a fixed iris which will slightly deplete light output and improve blacks. I'd say the HC1100 is a bit better than the HD1000, better than a 3000 out of the box and worse than a calibrated 3000.

shift_grind
02-14-07, 07:20 PM
Cool. Well I will be using component cables for my HD cable box (no HDMI on the one I have). I have an RPTV, which is a low end model, from 3 or 4 years ago, so I couldn't imagine it being much worse than this.


for standard def, component wont make a real picture quality difference over s-video, so if you cant stand s-video, component wont be better. of course your not going to get anything 480p or higher in S, for SD its basically the same.

there's a noticable diff from composite to S vid though.