I've been looking for a HDTV at a decent price

so far I have found these

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7908062&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat95100050022&id=1149207784284


http://www.buy.com/prod/Sharp_AQUOS_LC_32D43U_32_LCD_HDTV_6000_1_Dynamic_Contrast_Ra tio_and/q/loc/63099/204036402.html

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7675697&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat95100050022&id=1134702498462

Anybody have any other good selections for HDTVs under or a little above $,1000?

i paid 800 for my 37" westinghouse 1080p LCD. i wouldnt choose anything else UNDER $2000. i love it!

where did you get it?

My vote goes for the Sony xbr 970 for tubes (2 year full warranty including labor, excellent PQ, viewing angles, contrast, black levels and response time beyond other tehnologies, but heavy, not good for computer use, and may well be the last of sony quality tubes,

Panny for plasma, may have Image retention if you game for hours straight, but should go away after normal tv viewing, some have reported no problems at all after gaming.

Sony or Samsung (same plant) for LCDS (my friend just got a Sammy 3251d and lokes it alot. great for computer use, lightweight, not the best black or contrast or viewing angles, but still good. I didnt see much difference between 720P and 1080P models, indeed some of the 720P models look better, but then all xbox games are 720P so far.
If you must have 1080P and low price lcd is the only way to go and the above poster loves his westinghouse.

(refurbished 22" computer monitors for like a hundred dollars can do well above 1080P through VGA are great for computer use, not to big and will give you a better picture quality and most cases then anything else mention here, sort of ironic isnt it..

for rp I think the samsungs are great, another friend has one, great size for the money, just watch your viewing angles, I saw no delay with the xbox360, you may experience a delay with older 480i only game consoles though.

how good are westinghouse 1080p?

go find a Sony xbr960 it is the best television. I just couldnt tell you where to get one.

go find a Sony xbr960 it is the best television. I just couldnt tell you where to get one.
:D I think I got the last one, which is why I didnt mention that one, I have been trying to get another one for months, even emailed sony and called thier outlet store which occasionally get a refurbished unit in.
I believe this is the best PQ you can get with the 360 as of today.

Some pics:? Teamxbox has a long thread with pics from alot of tv's. the poster named Tapout has some of the best with the xbox360 and a samsung dlp which he now prefers, i still like his xbr960 pics better.
http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=461827&page=165

how good are westinghouse 1080p?


there are almost 7000 posts here, but this is just for one model and one size, but that should easily give you an idea of what people think of westinghouse :)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=655280

how good are westinghouse 1080p?

Overkill for a 37"... and 1080p isn't really needed for the 360.

Overkill for a 37"... and 1080p isn't really needed for the 360.


says the guy who doesnt own a 1080p tv. have you seen the 720/1080 comparison shots? even with upconversion 1080p is a lot better.

and what about the HD-DVD addon? LOL. yea, maybe 1080p is needed.

says the guy who doesnt own a 1080p tv. have you seen the 720/1080 comparison shots? even with upconversion 1080p is a lot better.

and what about the HD-DVD addon? LOL. yea, maybe 1080p is needed.

I stood in Fry's electronics where they had a Samsung HL-S5086 and 87 right next to each other (for those who don't know, one is 720p and the other 1080p) and I could not tell any difference when watching ESPN HD when they were showing HD Super Bowl highlights. Maybe it is just me but at 50" I wasn't able to tell a difference with them side by side. I have been to a couple Best Buy and Circuit City locations and have yet to notice a difference. I keep telling myself I need 1080p but whenever I go to the store I just don't see it.

says the guy who doesnt own a 1080p tv. have you seen the 720/1080 comparison shots? even with upconversion 1080p is a lot better.

and what about the HD-DVD addon? LOL. yea, maybe 1080p is needed.

Do you have a link to the comparison shots? I don't think there would be that big a difference on at 37" sitting at normal viewing distance.

I stood in Fry's electronics where they had a Samsung HL-S5086 and 87 right next to each other (for those who don't know, one is 720p and the other 1080p) and I could not tell any difference when watching ESPN HD when they were showing HD Super Bowl highlights. Maybe it is just me but at 50" I wasn't able to tell a difference with them side by side. I have been to a couple Best Buy and Circuit City locations and have yet to notice a difference. I keep telling myself I need 1080p but whenever I go to the store I just don't see it.


thats because the 1080p tv is doing the scaling, the superbowl wasnt broadcast in 1080p, so you're not gonna see 1080p, most scaling done by a tv isnt that great. the 360 scaling however is pretty damn good.

Do you have a link to the comparison shots? I don't think there would be that big a difference on at 37" sitting at normal viewing distance.


i dont know where i saw them, it was a thread here on AVS, and i know that doesnt really narrow it down any.

but you're right, depending on viewing distance you might not be able to see it.


BUT my whole point was... hmmm 32" and maybe 720p for 800, or my 37" and 1080p for the same price.

you can call it overkill or whatever, but thats a no-brainer right there.

BUT my whole point was... hmmm 32" and maybe 720p for 800, or my 37" and 1080p for the same price.

I agree. Where can you the 37" 1080p for the same price?

says the guy who doesnt own a 1080p tv. have you seen the 720/1080 comparison shots? even with upconversion 1080p is a lot better.

and what about the HD-DVD addon? LOL. yea, maybe 1080p is needed.

Actually, I just bought a Samsung 6767, about as good a 1080p set as you can get...I still stand by my statement: 1080p isn't needed with that screen size.

The OP expressed no interest in an HD-DVD addon.

Can you link to this $800 westinghouse set? I googled it; cheapest I found was $1000.

i got mine before xmas from J&R (www.jr.com) i'm not sure what the price is at now.


and the OP posted a 32" samsung, 1366X768, $1269

the westinghouse would still be a WAY better value if it was the same price as that (even though it's cheaper)... higher native res and 5" more real estate.

though he'd lose 1 hdmi and the tuner, but he "didnt express any interest" in OTA broadcasts, so that's a moot point.



and the best way to game is to sit RIGHT in front of the tv, in an office chair, sit so close that you loose sight of the border of the screen, immerse yourself in the game, at 1080p you'll lose your mind!

^^ and your eyesight :p

lol!

didnt they tell you! lcds arent bad on your eyes! *rolls eyes*

so the westinghouse 37 1080p is my best option?

different people will give you different opinions. 720p will suit you fine if you dont ever plan on running a computer through it (37" as 1366X768 for a pc monitor is HORRIBLE)

if you plan on using HDDVD or Blu-Ray, i would say most definitely go with 1080p. but if you're just going to use it for casual gaming, and some tv, you could easily get by with 720p.

you also have plasma and DLP options to consider. you have to know the strong and weak points of each technology and choose which is best for your situation.

my only point was this, if you're looking at a 720P 32" LCD for roughly the same price as the 37" 1080p westinghouse, then you'd have to be insane to get the 32".

there are plenty of people in the westinghouse thread that love their sets, it is no doubt a great tv.

is it the best tv for YOU? thats for you to decide. the only thing i can say is that i wouldnt choose anything else, and even if i went bigger, i'd still buy a westinghouse LCD.

The minimum screen size you should buy if you want to join 1080p is 42".

thats just bull. maybe if your viewing distance is 7-10 feet

some of us use our monitors (yes the westinghouse is a monitor, not a tv) for computer use. to say that you should get 37" in 720p only (which walmart sells no name brands for the SAME PRICE) you're crazy.

too many misconceptions out there, like i said, you have to base your decision on a multitude of things. and hell, at 7 feet i can still see a clear difference between 1080p and 720p.

and even still, you're missing the whole point. 37" 720p for say 1000 bucks. or 37" 1080p also for 1000 bucks. which would you pick?


go to the westinghouse 37w3 thread, you'll see that there are 7000 posts, all of which disagree with you.

and remember, the OP isnt asking about 1080p or for 1080p suggestions, he's asking about a good HDTV for 360 gaming. and if you weigh price and performance, you wont find anything better. and, if you can, show me. show me something comparably priced, comparable native res, comparable size, with as many or more five star ratings on amazon (10 reviews, 5 stars average), Newegg (46 reviews, 5 stars average), and CNET (19 reviews, 8.9/10)

sorry. i meant to type "enjoy" rather than "join."

there's a chart that i've seen posted a few times over in the display board.

http://www.carltonbale.com/wp-content/uploads/resolution_chart.png

At 37", a person with 20/20 vision would need to sit between five and seven feet to differentiate 1080p vs. 720p... and I've also read other people say here that at 37" you can't really tell the difference even then.

If it's a choice between 720p and 1080p for the same price and those are the only choices, sure, get the 1080p. I'm not saying buy the 720p. I'm saying you won't really appreciate the 1080p unless you get something somewhat bigger and to take a second look at the 42" model.

I like that chart.

Personally, I use a 90" screen 10ft. away from my seating. 720P projector.

Looks fantastic. Pulls you right into the game.

You can pick up 720P projectors for under $1000 these days. If you can control the light in your room decently, and you don't mind running some wires, it's the way to go.

Gears Of War on a 90" screen with 7.1 surround sound cranked is a mind-blowing experience. It will make your adrenal glands go into overdrive. :cool:

lol!

didnt they tell you! lcds arent bad on your eyes! *rolls eyes*

Really!? Didn't know that if its true. :o

I like that chart.

Personally, I use a 90" screen 10ft. away from my seating. 720P projector.

Looks fantastic. Pulls you right into the game.

You can pick up 720P projectors for under $1000 these days. If you can control the light in your room decently, and you don't mind running some wires, it's the way to go.

Gears Of War on a 90" screen with 7.1 surround sound cranked is a mind-blowing experience. It will make your adrenal glands go into overdrive. :cool:

Gears + PJ + Surround = AWESOME EXPERIENCE!

Gears + PJ + Surround = AWESOME EXPERIENCE!

The moment right after my chainsaw gun finished tearing a badguy in half, and before the blood had stopped dripping off the camera "lens", I realized I had reached gory gaming nirvana. :D

I stood in Fry's electronics where they had a Samsung HL-S5086 and 87 right next to each other (for those who don't know, one is 720p and the other 1080p) and I could not tell any difference when watching ESPN HD when they were showing HD Super Bowl highlights.

ESPN HD is 720p. ;)

I got the same Westy 37" for Christmas for $850 but they have gone up a couple hundred since. Go figure. I use mine as a triple role, TV/360/PC. IMO the 1080P plays out by far the best on the PC because you can adjust the desktop accordingly it's crazy good. Overall it's an astounding value. However it still is a LCD so contrast still is an issue with the unit overall darker areas will lose detail on you, to be fair and honest. But still for that cost I couldn't find anything even in the parking lot of the ballpark. Also having 1080P doesn't hurt on the 360 and won't hurt for tomorrow either. I don’t see huge differences between 720 and 1080 on the 360, slight. Now if the game were pure 1080 and not unconverted perhaps that will be a different story and those are happening. I can definately say 1080P computer games are night/day noticeable over 720P games, just like the desktop.

That is a good idea for a chart but I'm really not sure how to comprehend it correctly.

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"Gears Of War on a 90" screen with 7.1 surround sound cranked is a mind-blowing experience. It will make your adrenal glands go into overdrive."

What is the purpose of 7.1 over 5.1? Since sound is spacial by balancing front and back your mind percieves the sound in the middle which is where the extra two speakers go. Why no 8.1 and have a center back channel? Stereo's main sound is heard from the center distance of both speakers.

I like that chart.

Personally, I use a 90" screen 10ft. away from my seating. 720P projector.

Looks fantastic. Pulls you right into the game.

You can pick up 720P projectors for under $1000 these days. If you can control the light in your room decently, and you don't mind running some wires, it's the way to go.

Gears Of War on a 90" screen with 7.1 surround sound cranked is a mind-blowing experience. It will make your adrenal glands go into overdrive. :cool:

I agree with Brew over here. Been eyeing the Mits 1000u for some time and now it's down to $895, it just won't work in my apartment tho (I have a LOT of windows- love my place). I'm running an Olevia 537- 37" screen with 1366x768 res. This is an excellent display that you CAN still find under $1k.

Formulanerd is obviously very happy with his display ;) and I wouldn't knock the westinghouse at the price he paid- in fact, I looked at that display over BF weekend before I bought my Olevia. Yes I bought the Olevia over the Westy even tho it is only *gasp* 720p. :p Why would I do such a thing you ask? There are other things to consider in picture quality than just resolution.

And I think that's the point some of the other posters are trying to get at. 1080p is great, but for anything less than 50"-60" it's really unnecessary in MOST applications. Things like color accuracy, contrast/shadow detail (very important as all LCDs struggle with this) and features/connectivity should really enter into the discussion- perhaps before taking resolution into account. LCD manufacturers like Sony and Sharp are stressing 1080p because it's one of the only advantages they can claim over competing plasma displays which are stronger in other areas(and frequently $cheaper$).

Make a list of your priorities. What do you want your display to do? Do you just want a display for Xbox or are you watching movies or sports too? What else will you connect to it? And then go LOOK at them! Research is great and the opinions here helpful, but at the end of the day you are going to be the one living with this thing.

The way to understand the chart is you look at your screen size and move straight up. Find where it intersects the red line and move over to the left. That's the distance at which someone with 20/20 vision can resolve the size of a 1080p pixel and thus, get the maximum benefit of it. If you move up to the green line and move over, that's the distance for 720p.

So, for example, if you have a 50" screen and are sitting 10' away, your eyes can't tell the difference between a 720p image and 1080p image because it can only resolve the 720 pixels. (Of course, if your vision is better than 20/20 you can sit further away and if your vision is worse than 20/20 you have to sit closer).

The chart was created by a guy with a blog, Carton Bale. You can see the entry where he put up the chart here (http://www.carltonbale.com/blog/2006/11/1080p-does-matter/)

1080p is great, but for anything less than 50"-60" it's really unnecessary in MOST applications. Things like color accuracy, contrast/shadow detail (very important as all LCDs struggle with this) and features/connectivity should really enter into the discussion- perhaps before taking resolution into account.


Just to be clear and I'm not saying you are saying this... But when you used most applications. 1080P or a higher rez. then 720P is huge in the computer world. Nothing none of us shouldn't have known for years now. Connectivity on the Westy is pretty good fwiw, it does only have one HDMI but 2 DVI, 1 VGA, 2 comp and then the other low-end stuff. So it's definitely not bad. In fact the only thing that does actually suck on it is the speakers, ughh levels there.

Imo the only real knock on it is LCD contrast levels and perhaps Westy's name.

The chart still blows my mind. lol

I've seen that chart before and it seems pretty conservative. At 70+ inches you still have sit closer than 10 feet to enjoy 1080p?

You are reading the chart a bit off, at 70 inches the benift of 1080p starts around 13 feet.

It does seem conservative, I agree.

But think of it this way... with a 70" screen, you have to sit within 10' for your eyes to be able to resolve (theoretically) each of the two million pixels. Which is the concept behind the chart. If you read through the comments on the posting, there is some quibbling with it, including that the chart is only true for a 1080p display AND a 1080p source.

I wouldn't use it as gospel, but it does provide some sort of baseline to think about things.

a lot of good info in this thread, i wont lie.

i do have the westy and i love it. i wouldnt buy anything else in this size range or price category, that being said, like it's been stated a few times, you have to make a list of things you need your display to do for you, and prioritize. thats exactly what i did, and with the opinions of others in the westy thread that's what i chose, and i havent looked back.

i've also heard good things of the olevia and the sharp aquos line, i think they would nearly be around the same category... and i would take contrast ratio values with a grain of salt, because EVERY manufacturer measures them differently, so you could in theory compare westy vs westy, or sharp vs sharp, but even then they may be measured differently, and by no means should you use this value to compare different manufacturers sets.

like it's been said before, research, or go to a brick and mortar and see for yourself. make sure the sets have the same source, and if you have to, take a 360 with you, test out the VGA, make sure it's what YOU like, and dont let the salesmen/women tell you anything, 99% of them have NO idea what they are talking about.

The problem I have going to the stores and looking at TVs is it seems they are feeding the TVs a crappy SDTV signal. Makes it hard to thell how they will perform.

can I bring my 360 to a store and hook it up?

Well, stuff like that there's no hard and fast rules. Really depends upon where you are, the store, and the salesman you are talking to. Your best bet is probably to go to a store, make it clear that you're a serious buyer and not a browser, and get the salesman hooked into the idea that he's going to make a sale. After getting him invested into selling into you, try asking, "I like these X, Y, and Z displays, but I play a lot of XBOX and aren't sure how it would look. Do you mind if I brought my console in to see for myself?"

Worst thing that happens is he says no. But you have better odds of success than if you just walk cold into a store, lugging your 360, and asking a random salesman, "Can you hook this up for me?"

I've been looking for a HDTV at a decent price

so far I have found these

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7908062&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat95100050022&id=1149207784284


http://www.buy.com/prod/Sharp_AQUOS_LC_32D43U_32_LCD_HDTV_6000_1_Dynamic_Contrast_Ra tio_and/q/loc/63099/204036402.html

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7675697&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat95100050022&id=1134702498462

Anybody have any other good selections for HDTVs under or a little above $,1000?

Check out Frys.com. On their frontpage they have a link to a Syntax Olevia 720p 37" LCD for $600 + shipping (~$10-$20 s/h) and no tax in many states. Personally if price is a factor I think you can't go wrong with this deal.

Well, stuff like that there's no hard and fast rules. Really depends upon where you are, the store, and the salesman you are talking to. Your best bet is probably to go to a store, make it clear that you're a serious buyer and not a browser, and get the salesman hooked into the idea that he's going to make a sale. After getting him invested into selling into you, try asking, "I like these X, Y, and Z displays, but I play a lot of XBOX and aren't sure how it would look. Do you mind if I brought my console in to see for myself?"

Worst thing that happens is he says no. But you have better odds of success than if you just walk cold into a store, lugging your 360, and asking a random salesman, "Can you hook this up for me?"it would be dumb if they said no

OKay

Samsung Slimfit or 37inch 1080p Westinghouse?

I`ve had the Westy about a month.I also have a Sony 50A10,it`s 720p. The Sony can`t touch the 1080p Westy.You do need to turn the backlight down,and tweak it.You can get a very good picture. Just my 2 cents.

I`ve had the Westy about a month.I also have a Sony 50A10,it`s 720p. The Sony can`t touch the 1080p Westy.You do need to turn the backlight down,and tweak it.You can get a very good picture. Just my 2 cents.
you got any pics?

what are your settings

How are Samsung Slimfit HDTVs?

I recently bought the Samsung HL-S6767W (67" 1080P DLP) and I actually had to move my sofa BACK to about 12 feet. It had been at about 9 feet for my old TV (43" 720P DLP). 9 feet was too close -- non-HDTV sources looked really bad.

I know the common perception is that there isn't much benefit to 1080p on anything smaller than 50" -- it's really only half true. It seems to me that you can see 1080p just fine on a smaller display -- but the problem is that to see it you have to sit so close that lower resolutions look terrible.

I have an Olevia 232V 720p 32" that I use for PC and 360. It looks great (at least to me; I may not be as picky as some others). I got it for only $500 at Circuit City.

I have been contemplating the question of "What is the best TV for my Xbox 360" for a while now, and still haven't come to a conclusion. Currently I'm using a Epson s1 projector (nothing special I know but I'm in college with no money) through a VGA cable, which was fine. However now I moved into my girlfriends apartment and I want to get an HDTV.
Its hard deciding which TV to get though because of all the comments from people saying that LCD's have lag, and then some people say they don't notice any. The main purpose of this tv will be for my 360 and I'm looking to spend around a $1000 for a 32-37" screen. I don't want it any bigger because I'm putting it in her room so I don't have to put up having it in the living room and having her roomates want to watch tv.
Anyways any suggestions will be GREAT!